DID JESUS DIE?
31 March 2013
This is a main topic also to Muhammad, Islam, and Muslim. If Jesus died and was resurrected, this means he was something much more than Muhammad was.
#01 4/156c: “- - - they uttered against Mary a grave false charge (that Jesus was crucified and dead*)”. There were so many witnesses, included many who knew Jesus well (f.x. Matt.27/54, Mark 15/40, John 19/25), and included so many who hated him and definitely had revolted if he was not executed – the Jewish clergy was powerful - that this charge was definitely not false. If Islam says something else, they will have to provide good proofs, not only bring forth lofty statements taken out of thin air 600 years later. Because that is all the Quran has got to offer: A few lofty statements backed by nothing - no proofs and not even an indicium indicating that all those witnesses - and the rulers and the hateful Jewish clergy - were wrong. Words are very cheap - - - and the only fact Islam can produce is that neither Muhammad nor Islam can accept that Jesus died and was resurrected - in that case he clearly was a greater prophet and/or had closer connections to the god than Muhammad - or were slightly divine - and that is taboo for Muslims. It simply is unacceptable for them.
####"A strong claim needs a strong proof".
"A claim without a proof may be dismissed without a proof".
"Claims are cheap, but only proofs are proofs".
"A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion".
"- - - blind "taqlid", i.e. an unthinking acceptance of religious doctrines or assertions - - - ((A)23/11). How many millions of Muslims are practicing this?
#02 4/157g: “- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear for them - - -”. See 4/156c above. In addition to what is said in 4/156c: If no one else made sure that it was no impostor and that the correct killing really took place, the angry and spiteful Jewish clergy and scholars would see to that. This claim is made up by someone that could not accept that Muhammad was not the greatest prophet (even though Muhammad in reality was not really a prophet – he did not have the gift of being able to make prophesies), and who did not know the political and religious situation in Israel at that time. If Islam wants to say something else, they will have a lot of explanation and proving to do - this even more so as the Quran always demands proofs for what non-Muslims say about their religion and thus confirms that proofs are essential, but Islam NEVER itself offers any real proofs for Islam or Allah or for Muhammad's connection to a god. In spite of all the “signs” it boasts of, not one single of those “signs” - with the possible exception of some taken from the Bible - proves any god at all, and definitely not one single one proves anything about Allah or the teachings of Muhammad. Words are very cheap, and there is not one single of those “signs” which cannot as well and as easy be used by priests or believers or "prophets" of all other religions: Manito did this, Thor did that, Kali made something, Osiris something else, Baal created the Earth, and al-Uzza is great. Islam always only claims that Allah did this and this and that this is a “sign” or a “proof” for Allah. But they NEVER prove that it really was Allah who did this and this. Because of that each and every such “sign” and “proof” are intuitively and logically and even judicially invalid as an indication or a proof – and for the same reason any priest in any religion can say exactly the same valueless words about his god(s). The claims are totally invalid as indications or indicia, not to mention as proofs. There is not one single valid proof for Allah or for the teachings of Muhammad anywhere - - - or for the undocumented claim that Jesus was not crucified and died. Similar claims f.x. in 4/156c as mentioned (above).
No matter – it is reckoned as a fact that Jesus really was a historical person . He was heard and seen by so many after his death and resurrection, that it is possible also this part of the story may be true – that he really existed after his execution. (He also is mentioned by the old writers Josephus Flavius, Tacitus, Suetonius, and Plinius the younger - just mentioned, but mentioned.)
But he was never heard or seen after his final farewell to his disciples.
And actually: Whether he died and was resurrected like told in the Bible, or he was miraculously saved and taken up to Heaven alive like claimed in the Quran, it very clearly indicates a much closer connection to the god than what Muhammad had. This even more so if the Quran is a completely or partly made up book and Muhammad a cheat.
#####Another point: If we as an experiment accepts that the Jewish clergy for some unfathomable reason (which Islam never even has tried to explain) wanted to save Jesus, where did the in such a short notice find a look-alike sufficiently like Jesus to fool all the spectators who knew him - many even knew him well? And how did they make this look-alike agree to take Jesus' place and die such a horrible death? Or if they forced him to do it: How did they prevent that victim from screaming out his pain and that he was not Jesus, and thus should be taken down?
#####Muhammad was very good at throwing around never proved or even explained claims. We see just the same from Muslims today: Easy claims and answers and explanations which seemingly solve a problem or explains a mistake - here "explains" that Jesus was not killed and resurrected, and thus not something more than Muhammad - but claims and "explanations" which overlook other aspects of the case or other facts which make the "explanation" impossible or even a joke. Use your eyes and your brain, and you will discover this fact all too often.
03 19/33b: "- - - the day I (Jesus*) die - - -". Here Islam has a problem: They claim he did not die on the cross, but was taken up to the god alive. How come that he then here foresees his death? (NB: No matter if Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected, or was taken up to Heaven alive, it proves his connection to something supernatural (if true). No such proof exists neither for Allah, nor for Muhammad.) But if he did not die, but was taken up alive, he did not die, and then something is wrong - here or in other never proved claims.
Besides: How can a newborn baby talk like this, and on top of all already be a prophet, like the Quran states?"
This content was posted with assistance from M. A. Khan, the editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islam Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery" (available online)