Bible versus Quran: 1000+ Differences & Contradictions

 

The Quran: Its Divergence from the Bible

Surah 8 - Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War)

Medina 624 AD (some verses later)

(Even the title of this chapter proves that Jesus and Muhammad were not from the same religion.)

001 8/1a: "They (Muslims/people*) ask thee (Muhammad*) concerning (things taken (stolen*) as) spoils of war". Nobody ever asked Jesus such questions - and with a reason. One of the strong proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad did belong neither to the same religion, nor to similar cultures concerning moral codes, etc., and definitely not serving the same god. (There were spoils of war also in OT, but not robbing for the god - and the Israelites/Jews never were led by a professional robber baron.)

002 8/1b: "They (Muslims/people*) ask thee (Muhammad*) concerning (things taken (stolen*) as) spoils of war. Say: (Such) spoils are at the disposal of Allah and the Prophet (Muhammad)". One of the 200+% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and even more for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion or serve the same god. There are a number of verses in the Quran making it clear that a good part of all spoils of war included captives taken for slaves - all of it if the victims gave in without a fight - "belonged to Allah", which in reality meant Muhammad. There is nothing similar in the Bible. Not even during the fights for establishing and afterwards defending the Jewish state, there was any demand for spoils to the god - the spoils should be divided between the soldiers and the rest of the community (4. Mos. 31/27). Well, there was one incident: Once (4. Mos. 31/28) it is said that one should use one out of each 500 of the soldiers' half share of everything captured (= 0.2% of the soldiers half share) and one of every 50 from the rest (= 2.0% of this half which means 1.1% of the grand total - and just one time), for tribute to Yahweh - a tribute which was to be divided among the clergy etc., not for distribution by the leader. Muhammad's/Allah's share according to the Quran for a comparison varied from 20% to 100% each and every time.

Not the same god, not the same religion. And Jesus and Muhammad definitely neither in the same religion nor in the same line of prophets (even if Muhammad had been a real prophet - he was unable to make prophesies (see f.x. 7/188a above)).

003 8/1c: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why do so when the reality behind the Quran and also the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, in practice prove that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

004 8/1d: "- - - obey Allah and His Prophet (Muhammad*) - - -". A strengthened variety of Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power - his claimed god. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this. But no omniscient god engages a representative giving lots of wrong information, lots of contradictions, etc. For a comparison Jesus said not "obey me" but "follow me" - there are oceans between those two expressions. And we may add that no god of any "religion of the truth" even can engage a representative with a view on the use of dishonesty in words and deeds (lying/deceiving/betraying and worse and stealing/looting as working tools), etc. like Muhammad had - see f.c.2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

005 8/1e: "- - - Prophet (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157e - and the other comments under 7/157 above.

006 8/2a: "For, Believers are those who, when Allah is mentioned, feel a tremor in their hearts, and when they hear His Signs rehearsed, find their faith strengthened, and put (all) their trust in their Lord (Allah*) - - -". The disturbing thing is that such reactions are normal for any strong believer in any religion. It is not an effect from a god - not from f.x. Allah - but a result from human nature simply. 

And the fact that this is something from human nature, not from any supernatural reason, means that verses like these are invalid for indicating that one religion is the right one, and invalid even for the indication of a god at all - - - and invalid as even indication for that f.x. believing Muslims are right in their beliefs .

007 8/2b: "- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

008 8/2c: "- - - (Muslims are those who*) put (all) their trust in their Lord (Allah*) a bit risky if he does not exist and/or is not a god - which also in case means the Muslims are pagans (believers in a made up god).

009 8/3a: "- - - regular prayers - - -". See 4/77a above.

010 8/3b: "- - - the gifts We (Allah*) have given - - -". Until this date there never was one proved case of Allah giving anything to anybody anywhere in the world. It also would be impossible for Allah to do so unless he exists.

011 8/4a: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

012 8/4b: "- - - they (Muslims*) have grades of dignity with their Lord (Allah*) - - -". Psychologically smart - no matter how good an obedient warrior or whatever, there were always a higher degree to be tempted with - or a lower degree to use as a whip. For a comparison - a bit freely quoted: "It is not a slave or a free person, not man or woman, not a Jew or a Greek - you are all one (= similar*) in Jesus Christ".

013 8/4c: "- - - forgiveness (from Allah*) - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

Yahweh has not such a problem.

014 8/4d: "- - - generous sustenance (from Allah*) - - -". A parallel to 8/3b above.

015 8/5a: "Just as thy (Muhammad's/Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) ordered thee out of thy house (to go to war*) in truth - - -". Now we are in 624 AD, and Islam has been changing a lot - from relatively peaceful to a robber baron's emerging fiefdom - and the robber raids has started - - - the reason why the religion had changed so as to fit the new situation. But what is sure to the second power of the third power is that you do not find words from Jesus like these. Oh, you find some points about strife in NT, too, but about intellectual and spiritual strife + a few points stating the facts that a change of religion might cause strife f.x. within families - not romancing armed fighting and stealing of loot and taking slaves and killing, etc. like in the Quran after Muhammad's flight to Medina.

One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, not to mention for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion or serve the same god.

016 8/5b: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

#017 8/5c: "- - - though a party among the Believers (Muslims*) dislike it (going to war*) - - -". One should remember that even though Islam is a religion of war, very many - nowadays clearly the majority - Muslims do not like war.

But it only takes one terrorist to kill you or your loved ones.

018 8/6a: "- - - (Muslims are*) disputing with thee (Muhammad*) concerning the truth (here the claimed truth that Allah wanted raids and wars*) - - -". With Jesus such disputes were not necessary, as he never wanted to raise a raiding party or something. There actually was dissatisfaction among the Israelites with having to live under foreign rule, and it had not been too difficult for a leader like Jesus to f.x. start an armed resistance movement. But the totally different view on armed fighting, is one of the visible proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad were very different and, f.x. did not belong to the same religion, or even to a basically similar religion or a similar moral code - not by far.

019 8/6b: "- - - (Muslims are*) disputing with thee (Muhammad*) concerning the truth (here the claimed truth that Allah wanted raids and wars*) after it was manifest - - -". If Muhammad meant something, it was more or less manifest, because Allah practically always agreed with him. If formal confirmation for that it was manifested, people accepted that it had been confirmed if Muhammad said he had got a message, and even more so if he had one of his fits. With a few exceptions, Allah always told Muhammad was right. A situation many a dictator would like - and a situation many a self proclaimed prophet through the times have claimed, and for that case claim even today.

A thought provoking point is that when there were problems he normally got messages giving him the right after the problem had come - seldom, if ever before the problem started, so that it could have been avoided.

It may seem like that Allah or whoever confirmed that Muhammad normally always was right, at least were unable to see the future.

020 8/6c: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

021 8/6d: "- - - (Muslims are*) disputing with thee (Muhammad*) concerning the truth (here the claimed truth that Allah wanted raids and wars*) after it was manifest, as if they were driven to death - - -". Many were. To live from robbing, does not take much work, but there may be other kinds of prices to pay - f.x. when the victims tried to defend themselves (the big majority of Muhammad's "armed incidences" were raids for stealing riches, taking slaves or victims for extortion, etc.)

022 8/7a: "Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties (this refers to Badr, where the Muslims left Medina to attack a caravan, but met an army) - - -". You never find Jesus in a glorifying tone promise followers armed fighting. On the contrary Jesus' main standpoint concerning disagreement and physical fighting is: "Turn the other cheek".

The difference in the view on armed conflicts - claimed necessary, demanded, and glorified by Muhammad, strongly opposed by Jesus - is one of the really strong proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad belonged to very different religions, serving very different gods and living by very different ethical and moral codes, etc. And that f.x. the claim that Jesus and Muhammad belonged to the same line of prophets and thus serving the same god and religion, is so far from the reality, that it is not even propaganda, yes, not even a Kitman (a lawful - according to Islam - half-truth). It simply is a plain and ordinary al-Taqiyya (a lawful - according to Islam - lie). Well, on thinking it over also propaganda too often are lies (though only Islam of the big religions has institutionalized dishonesty as lawful - or for that case physical dishonesty like stealing/looting institutionalized as being gifts from the god and a right given by the god to his followers together with the right f.x. take slaves, rape women and children, etc. And to suppress others is not a right given by Allah, but a duty imposed by Allah).

To call Islam like you find it in the surahs from Medina for "the religion of peace" is an insult to the intellect of any not brain washed person with a minimum of knowledge about the mentioned surahs.

023 8/7b: "- - - justify - - -". This word at least has two meanings.

024 8/7c: "- - - the Truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

025 8/7d: "- - - His (Allah's*) Words - - -". As the Quran and all its mistakes are not from any god, then whose words were it really? There only are the 3 infamous alternatives:

1): The dark forces. (A number of immoral and inhuman points in the Quran may indicate this.)

2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Modern medical science suspects this.

3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's. All the mistakes in the Quran believed to be correct science at the time of Muhammad, plus f.x. the fact that all material in the book is from Arabia and neighboring area, And not to mention the timed Allah is claimed to have helped Muhammad personally strongly indicates this - perhaps combined with alternative 2. And also all the times Allah(?) helped Muhammad with f.x. family problems, indicates the same.

For a comparison: As for the Bible there is a chance for that there is a god behind it - f.x. all the witnesses to what happened to and around Jesus are difficult to explain away. And also his disciples and f.x. Paul and Luke could not twist or make up too much about him later, because too many knew what had really happened, so that the only thing they would gain from too much fantasy, would be to lose credibility. Also the first martyrs - people who had firsthand knowledge to what really had happened - are difficult to explain away.

026 8/8a: "- - - He (Allah*) might justify - - -". Allah can do nothing unless he exists, and very little unless he in addition is a god.

027 8/8b: "- - - the Truth - - - Falsehood - - -". See 2/26 above.

028 8/9: "- - - assist you with a thousand of the (warrior*) angels, ranks on ranks (= lined up for armed battle*)". Where in NT do you find Jesus telling claims like this?

Another question is: Why does an omnipotent god need to send his angels to take part in a physical battle? - or for that kind need to let his followers wage war?

And yet another point: Muhammad in the Quran claims that the reason why Allah could not send down angels as proofs for Allah and for Islam, was that to send one down meant that the Day of Doom had arrived. Here it is claimed he sent down 1000 angels, and still there was no Day of Doom. Comments?

029 8/10a: "- - - there is no help except from Allah - - -". The Bible mentions Yahweh, though. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Stratagem to avoid or circumvent legal principles or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choises, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campaigned of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguise. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

Just to mention it: The Quran tells Allah has 99 names, and these are some of them. The names generally are descriptions in superlative - Most Kind, Most Merciful, Most High, Most Kind, Most Gracious, etc., but also names like f.x. Oft Forgiving, etc.

Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the cheap, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve?)

030 8/10b: "- - - Allah is Exalted in Power - - -". According to the Bible, only Yahweh is exalted in power.

031 8/10c: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he made the Quran and all its mistakes, etc.

#032 8/10-11: How is it possible that these scenes from a battle are included in a book claimed written billions of years before it took place, unless Allah has total predestination of absolutely everything which happens on Earth? - and if Allah totally predestines everything, man has no free will - not even a tiny bit of it. In that case: How can Allah reward or punish humans for things he himself has predestined, and thus forced them to say or do?

####Muslims: Do you want to punish us for writing this book? - this in spite of that you know that if Allah exists, it is he who through his total predestination - according to Muhammad and the Quran - who has predestined and forced us to do so? Oh, we know the Quran also talks about free will for man, but that is an impossibility if Allah predestines everything, like the Quran states several places - In the non-material realm there are things impossible also for gods (an easy to see sample, is that if you add a mathematical 1 to another mathematical 1, the only possible answer even for a god, is a mathematical 2 - oh, you can call the sum a lot of other things, but it still and only is a mathematical 2) - and what is impossible to combine even for gods, is impossible to combine even for gods.

And if Allah does not exist - like the realities behind the Quran indicates - what are you then if you "punish" us for writing these correct comments? Common criminals? Or naive common criminals?

033 8/11: "- - - to remove from you the stain of Satan - - -". Again these thought provoking remarks about Satan - see 7/27b above. If the Quran is not from Allah (and a book as full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. like the Quran is from no god) - large parts of Muslims, if not all - may be stained by Satan (if not also he is something made up). Also see 7/27b-c above.

034 8/12-13: Also this is not from the Bible. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

035 8/13a: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". This is Muhammad's most standard mantra to glue himself to his platform of power; his god. You meet it many places in the Quran - but you never meet it in the Bible (if Muhammad was the greatest of prophets, at least Jesus should have mentioned him and told he was to be expected. But neither Jesus nor anyone else - included Moses and John - even indicate that Muhammad should be awaited. This in spite of Muhammad's and the Quran's claims about the opposite.

036 8/13b: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c above - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

037 8/13c: "- - - Allah is strict in punishment". Impossible unless he exists - and of minor consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black.

038 8/14: "- - - for those who resist Allah, is the penalty of the Fire (Hell)". According to the Bible this is not true if they instead follow Yahweh. Yes, indirectly but very clearly the Bible tells that to follow a god of war and dishonesty and apartheid like Allah, is to follow a false god. Another thing is that Allah can punish nobody if he does not exist.

039 8/15: "When ye (Muslims*) meet the Unbelievers (non-Muslims*) in hostile array (battle*) - - -". You never find Jesus even debate questions like this - central ones in the claimed "religion of peace". More indications and proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad did not serve the same god or religion - not to mention for that the two were not in the same line of prophets (it is not possible to be in the same line of prophets unless the teachings are from the same god and reasonably similar religion, and not least the teachings are reasonably similar - and besides Muhammad hardly was a real prophet, as he was unable to make prophesies).

€€€040 8/15-19: Like so much in the Quran: Not from the Bible - and a parallel to 8/15 just above.

The texts here also are an absolute proof for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion - and thus not to the same line of prophets (if Muhammad even was a prophet - he was unable to make prophesies, and was he then really a prophet?)

041 8/16: "- - - the wrath of Allah - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists, and is of little consequence unless he in addition is something powerful, white or black.

042 8/17a: "It is not ye (Muslims*) who slew them; it was Allah - - -". If this is true, it is even more naive to believe that an omnipotent god needs his followers to wage war for him - and rob and steal and suppress and hate and kill for him. No omniscient and omnipotent god would need such help. And as for the standard "explanation", that war is to test the followers: It is just as naive to be able to believe that an omniscient god needs to test his followers to know their real self - especially if the god in addition predestines everything people say and do, like the Quran claims is the case for Allah.

It is possible to understand how naive and uneducated primitives could fall for illogical claims like this - especially the ones who really did not care very much, as long as they could steal and rob and rape (according to reasonably informed sources some 90% of the Muslims in 632 AD when Muhammad died - indicated by the number who left when they thought robbing had come to an end when Muhammad died). But it is very difficult understand how it is possible for educated, modern humans to be able to believe in such claims and such logic.

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

043 8/17b: "- - - test - - -". The old and never answered question: Why did an omniscient and predestining god have to test and test even his followers? - and what could he learn from it?

For a comparison: Jesus NEVER tested his followers in such ways. Not the same god. Not the same religion. Definitely not the same line of prophets.

044 8/17c: "- - - for Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things)". Wrong if he was behind a book as full of errors, etc. as the Quran. Besides: If he knows all things - and even predestines all thing - why then does he have to test and test even his followers?

045 8/18: "- - - Allah is He Who makes - - -". Again: Impossible unless Allah exists and in this case in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

046 8/19a: "- - - (- - - wrong) - - -". See 2/21b above.

047 8/19b: "- - - verily - - -". For words like this in the Quran see 2/26 above.

048 8/19c: "- - - verily Allah is with those who believe (Muslims*)". No god is with anybody unless he exists. There is no indication for that Allah exists, except the words of a man with a very doubtful reliability, and who on top of that accepted the use of dishonesty as a working tool + he liked respect and power (and young females).

An extra point: How much do you respect the use of strengthening, but cheap words like "verily", "in truth", "truly", "certainly", etc. for strengthening loose claims, etc.? After all any cheat, deceiver, charlatan, swindler, etc. can use such words free of charge as long as they do not have to prove anything. But a zero multiplied with even a billion, still only is a zero.

049 8/20a: "Obey Allah and His Prophet (Muhammad*) - - -". A strong version of Muhammad's main mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power; his god. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this.

Also Jesus told he had divine connections, but he did not use this - perhaps even stronger - connection for personal promotion and for securing a platform of power, like Muhammad used his claimed connection to strengthen his worldly and political position time and again and again.

050 8/20b: "- - - Prophet - - -". See 7/157e - and for that case the others under 7/157.

051 8/21: "Nor be like those who say, 'We hear (the preaching about Allah*)', but listen not". If Allah does not exist or for other reasons is no god, this might be an ok. idea - and if he belongs to the dark forces it may be a good idea.

052 8/22: "- - - those who understand not". But who are it who understand not? - the ones who did not believe in Muhammad’s tales? - the ones who instead believed in Yahweh? - the ones able to see that things were wrong in Muhammad's teaching - or the ones not able to see this?

053 8/23: "- - - if He (Allah*) had made them listen, they would but have turned back and declined (faith)". We are back to Allah's total predestination of everything - something you do not find f.x. in the Bible. Allah could have made them listen if he predestined everything like the Quran states many times. A most central point here is: Islam (Hadiths) claims Allah predestines whether you are to end in Hell or Paradise when you are a 4 months old fetus - normally 5 months before you are even born (and at the same time Allah predestine your time of death). If the destiny of the persons here mentioned already was decided by Allah according to his unchangeable Plan, like the Quran claim is the reality, what relevance has then verses like this? It is not even theatre to pretend that persons are bad, if it is Allah who forces them to behave badly!

May be as bad: No person as intelligent as Muhammad could possibly not see this fact. All the same he used arguments like this. And a man as intelligent as Muhammad knew he was lying - even in the Quran - each time he used arguments like this.

054 8/24a: "- - - Allah and His Prophet - - -". Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power - his god (like many a self proclaimed prophet or "prophet" through the times).

055 8/24b: "- - - Prophet - - -". See 7/157e - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

056 8/24c: "- - - when He (Allah*) calleth you (Muslims*) - - -". As no book of a quality like the Quran is from a god, who then was/is it really who called/calls?

057 8/24d: "- - - when He (Allah*) calleth you (Muslims*) to that which will give you (eternal*) life - - -". No book behind which there is no real god can give eternal life - or life at all, physical or spiritual.

058 8/24e: "- - - it is He (Allah*) to Whom ye (people*) shall all be gathered (at the Day of Doom*)". According to the Bible it is to Yahweh one will be gathered, not to Allah. At least one of those two books thus has to be wrong on this point. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat.)

059 8/25a: "- - - do wrong - - -". See 2/21b above.

060 8/25b: "- - - Allah is strict in punishment - - -". Impossible unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black.

061 8/26: "- - - He (Allah*) provided a safe asylum for you (Muslims), strengthened you with His aid, and gave you good things for sustenance - - -". Comment similar to 8/25b just above. Plus: This is one of Muhammad's many, many never documented claims in the Quran.

062 8/27a: "- - - the trust of Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". A parallel to 8/20a above.

063 8/27b: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 7/157a-c - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

064 8/28a: "- - - are but a trial - - -". If the Quran tells the truth and Allah sees and hears everything - and on top of all predestines every detail in everybody's life - why then did he have to try even his followers? - and why preferably with raids for riches and captives + wars?

065 8/28b: "- - - it is Allah with whom lies your (Muslims'*) highest reward". The facts around the making of the Quran and all its errors + the fact that Allah never - never - manifested himself anywhere or any time except in never proved words from a man with doubtful moral and reliability, but with much to gain from making people believe in his new religion, prove beyond all reasonable and most unreasonable doubts that Allah does not exist - that he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by Muslim clergy, Islamic compulsion, and the disproved claim that the Quran tells the truth and only the truth. If this is the case, what then will be the reward? - not to mention if the truth should happen to be that Yahweh and Jesus' mild and very different teaching is the truth?

066 8/29a: "If ye (Muslims*) fear Allah, He will grant you a Criterion (to judge between right and wrong), remove from you (all) evil (that may afflict) you, and forgive you - - -". Nothing of this is possible unless Allah exists and is a major something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran. And the Bible - if it is reliable on this point - tells that there is only one god, Yahweh, which means Allah is no god. (Muhammad's standard "explanation" - that Yahweh and Allah just were 2 names for the same god, is not correct - the teachings are too different, and too fundamentally different.)

067 8/29b: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why do so when the realities behind the Quran, plus the fact that Allah never in any way any time has manifested himself, except in the mouth of Muhammad, in practice prove that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

If this is the case - that Allah just is a made up pagan god - this means that he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by the parents, Muslim clergy, Islamic compulsion, and the disproved claim that the Quran is from a god and tells the truth and only the truth.

068 8/29c: "- - - right - - - wrong - - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

#####069 8/30: "They (non-Muslims*) plot and plan, and Allah too plans; but the best of planners (here in the meaning planning deceptions*) is Allah". This sentence is understood like Allah is the best of cheaters - cheating his opponents. And if Allah can cheat and use dishonesty, of course Muslims can do the same. This sentence is one of the points behind Islam's acceptance of al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), etc., - an acceptance of the use of dishonesty one hardly finds in any of the other big religions. (Islam's acceptance of also physical dishonesty and worse - thieving/looting, suppression, apartheid, rape, torture, murder, etc. - rest on other verses in the Quran (and on points in the Hadiths), also they rather special for this likely made up religion. (As there is no god behind a book of a quality like the Quran, it is highly unlikely Islam is a true religion with a true god behind it. Highly unlikely.)

For abrogation also see 2/106a and 3/54. Abrogation as a formal part of the religion does not exist in the Bible (and in few, if any other religion(s)) - one more clear indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Some al-Taqiyya basics: F.x. 3/54 above, 8/30 (this one), and 10/21b and 13/42a below.

070 8/31a: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

##071 8/31b: "- - - these (the stories in the Quran*) are nothing but tales of the ancient". Which is very true. Most of Muhammad's tales are things he "borrowed" and twisted to fit his new religion - a little from the Bible, much more from Biblical legends, apocryphal (made up) books, fairy tales, old Arab folklore and religion (Allah himself is taken from the old pagan Arab religion, where he was a main god named al-Lah), and some likely from other places, f.x. Persia and perhaps even India - traders brought tales) + from local short stories (the fantastic stories about Alexander the Great were f.x. "borrowed" from a Syrian who wrote those - what we today would call "sword and sorcery fantasy stories" - early in the 6. century). This is one of the big differences between the Bible and the Quran (though some parts of the oldest stories in OT may be taken from or inspired by old religions in the area).

072 8/32a: "O Allah, if this (Muhammad's teaching*) is indeed the Truth from Thee, rain down on us (skeptics*) a shower of stones from the sky, or send us a grievous Penalty". Both opponents, skeptics, and followers were asking for proofs for Muhammad's tales and never proved claims. But Muhammad never was able to prove even a comma concerning central points in his new religion. In the next verse he uses 2 "explanations" for why not - none of them logically valid.

073 8/32b: "- - - the Truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

074 8/33a: "But Allah was not going to send them (skeptics*) a penalty whiles thou (Muhammad*) wast amongst them - - -". This "explanation" for lack of proofs is invalid, as there was not one problem for an omnipotent god not to let his punishment hit Muhammad or his followers - on the contrary: If he had hit the skeptics, but not Muhammad/Muslims, the proof had been even stronger.

075 8/33b: "- - - nor was He (Allah*) going to send it whilest they (the skeptics*) could ask for pardon". If they were hit by stones - not gravel, but stones like asked for in the previous verse - falling from the sky, they would be dead before they could even think of praying for mercy. The argument is invalid.

But even more significant here may be the difference between Muhammad and Jesus - Islam and Christianity - here: Muhammad would not give them a last chance to see the truth and save themselves, Jesus paid full wages even in "the 11. hour" (f.x. Matt. 20/1-15). Yet another proof for that Jesus and Muhammad did not serve the same god or religion - and for that they definitely did not belong to the same line of prophets.

076 8/34a: "- - - the Sacred Mosque (Kabah in Mecca*) - - -". If Yahweh and Allah had been the same god, Kabah and Mecca had been one of the big conundrums and questions: For Allah Kabah is the most holy place and Mecca the most holy city on Earth, but for Yahweh - and for Jesus - both places are so totally uninteresting that none of them is even indicated anywhere in the Bible. Not to forget that also not one of the old Israeli prophets - included Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, ever even uttered a wish to go there for pilgrimage or any other reason. And remember here that in spite of Muhammad's never documented claims about falsification of the Bible, both science and even stronger Islam has produced solid proofs - circumstantial and empirical - for that Muhammad's claims about this were untrue. Thus Kabah and Mecca are not falsified out of the Bible.

One more of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. And Jesus and Muhammad not serving the same god or the same religion.

077 8/34b: "- - - righteous - - -". See 2/21b above.

078 8/34c: "- - - most of them (non-Muslims*) do not understand". See 8/22 above.

079 8/35a: "- - - the House (of Allah) - - -". = Kabah. See 8/34a above.

080 8/35b: "- - - blasphemed". It is not blasphemy to doubt Allah if no Allah exists - or if he exists, but is no major god. Neither his existence, nor his being a god is proved. (Actually the Bible indirectly, but most clearly tells he at least was/is no god - and the realities around the Quran and around Allah proves the same much stronger.)

Just for the record: It also is no blasphemy to doubt Allah is a god, if he happens to belong to the dark forces.

081 8/36a: "- - - the Path of Allah - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists, and is of little interest unless he in addition is something supernatural. But beware if he turns out to belong to the dark forces.

082 8/36b: "- - - the Unbelievers will be gathered together in Hell - - -". This does not go for the followers of Yahweh, according to the Bible. But Muslims may be in danger, according to indirect, but clear texts in that book.

083 8/37a: "In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure (at the day of Doom*) - - -". According to the Bible this is Yahweh's job - and he will in case do it according to other rules than the ones listed in the Quran.

084 8/37b: "They (non-Muslims*) will be the ones to have lost". According to the Bible this is not true for followers of Yahweh. But the Bible indirectly, but clearly tells that on the other hand Muslims may be in the red zone.

085 8/38a: "- - - desist (from Unbelief) - - -". But what is unbelief? - to blindly believe in a book so full of errors and worse that no god has ever been involved in it? - or to be able to see at least some of the errors and understand what they mean? - and the perhaps look around to see if there somewhere exits a real good, if one feels for that?

086 8/38b: "- - - forgiven - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

Yahweh has not such a problem.

087 8/38c: "- - - punishment - - -". Allah can neither punish nor reward unless he exists.

###088 8/39: "And fight with them (the non-Muslims*) until there is no more tumult or oppression (except Muslims oppressing everybody else*), and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere - - -". This - and perhaps especially the last part - tells more than many books about Islam and also about the claimed "religion of peace".

It also is an extremely strong proof for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same - or even related - religions (there are some similarities, but no real relationship in the most central thoughts and ideas), and for that they were not serving the same gods (not to mention that they were not from the same line of prophets).

Beware that many Muslims claim that "holy war" - jihad - only is permitted in self defence - and formally this is correct, as the Quran says so. But there are at least two Kitmans (lawful half-truths) here. For one thing all the 4 so-called law schools in Sunni Islam (and as far as we know also similar in Shi’a Islam), accepted that the fact that the opposite part was non-Muslim, was good enough reason to declare jihad - at least theoretically f.x. any slave hunter could declare jihad against non-Muslim Negroes and take what slaves he was able to. (Muslim took millions of Negro slaves - we have seen numbers of more than 100 millions - sold to the Americas, to the Muslim Asia and North Africa + sold/used in black Africa.) And for the other thing: "Self defence is meant in the widest meaning of the word" according to Islam (f.x. Muhammad Asad in "The Message of the Quran", comment to this verse). F.x. we have personally been told that all Americans can be killed, because they pay tax to their state, a state which opposes Muslims some places - and no concession given because Americans like other people are forced to pay tax, or for the Americans - f.x. students - who do not pay tax. Hypocrisy and dishonest argumentation.

Any comments?

089 8/40: "- - - be sure that Allah is your (Muslims*) Protector - the Best to protect and the Best to help". It does not help very much to be sure if one all the same is wrong - which Muslims are if the Quran is a made up book (and at least a book that full or mistakes, invalid logic - resulting in wrong conclusions - contradictions, etc. - is not from any god). Besides: If the Bible is reliable, Yahweh is the best helper, not Allah.

###090 8/41a: "And know that of all booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah - and to the Messenger (Muhammad*) and (others*) - - -". Try to find somewhere where Jesus is saying things like this. There are so many and so fundamental differences between Jesus and Muhammad, that it is not even a joke to claim they belonged to the same line of prophets or to the same religion or god. It takes a lot of lack of knowledge and as great a lack of brain capacity to be able to believe in the Quran's claims on these points.

During the establishing and later defence of the old Judah and Israel (the southern and northern kingdom) there some times were spoils. One time Yahweh asked for a share, but only 1:500 from half and 1/50 from the other half (1.1% of the average and only one time). Allah demands 1:5 - 18 times as much (and 100% - 90 times as much - if the victim gives in without a fight). Another strong indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

And remember: As Allah was not on Earth, all this went to Muhammad - and if the victims gave in without a fight, Muhammad as mentioned got 100% (though not all for personal use - a major part went to bribes to get and keep followers + to expenses of new raids and wars, and some to the poor ones. But Muhammad was well off when he died, with estates in Medina, Fadang, and Khaybar, and also his rather big harem took money - we know the names of 35 women (+ Khadiyya) who for shorter or longer time belonged to his harem (see "Muhammad and His Women" in http://www.1000mistakes.com ). But he was nearly or totally unable to make children (there are questions about the children with Khadiyya partly because she was old when she married Muhammad - they, or many of them, may be from her former husband (a rumor even reminds people of that in the old times it happened that rich women "bought" a husband to have an "alibi" for a connection to an interesting, but prohibited man)), and as for Marieh she was a slave, but may have liked someone better a dark night or five, than the much older Muhammad she was forced to have sex with. It is a fact that in spite of a very active sex-life, Muhammad had extremely few children which at least officially were his.

091 8/41b: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c above - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

092 8/41c: "- - - the revelation (the Quran*) - - -". But was the Quran really a revelation? - and as there was no god behind a work of that quality: In case from whom?

093 8/41d: "- - - the revelation (the Quran*) We (Allah*) sent down - - -". No god ever was involved in or backed a book of a quality like the Quran.

094 8/41e: "- - - the revelation (the Quran*) We (Allah*) sent down - - -". No god ever used a representative telling so many wrong facts, contradictions, cases invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative and prophet/messenger a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad, so often and so brutally and inhumanly breaking the golden rule of "do against others like you want others do against you" like Muhammad did - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

095 8/42f: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Servant (Muhammad*) - - -". No omniscient god used a servant telling so much wrong - included wrong facts - like Muhammad. And no god and benevolent god could use a servant as bloody and immoral like Muhammad (compare his life and deeds to "do to others what you want others do to you" and weep - or laugh). And do not try to compare his life - or ethics or moral - to Jesus', because that is not possible.

096 8/41g: "For Allah hath the power over all things". According to the Bible only Yahweh has power over all things. And what is sure is that Allah has power over nothing if he does not exists, and over very little if he is not in addition something supernatural, white or black.

097 8/42a: "Remember ye (Muslims*) were on the hither side of the valley, and they (from Mecca*) on the farther side, and the caravan on the lower ground than ye." This refers to just before the Battle of Badr. But how was it possible to write this before the world was created, like Islam claims, unless Allah uses total predestination, and man has absolutely no free will? Even if man had just a millionth part of free will, the laws of chaos had made such a prediction that far into the future impossible unless Allah predestines absolutely every detail of what happens on Earth. And then gone is the claimed free will of man - and any moral excuse for Allah to reward or punish anyone.

098 8/42b: "- - - Clear Sign - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

099 8/42c: "- - - for Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things)". Wrong if he was behind a book as full of errors, etc. as the Quran. And if he knows everything, why then does he have to test people?

100 8/43a: "- - - in thy (Muhammad's*) dream Allah showed - - -". There is no clear Hadith about this dream, and no clear information in the Quran. But what is clear, is that it was not from Allah unless Allah existed and was something supernatural - white or black.

101 8/43b: "- - - He (Allah*) knoweth well the (secrets) of (all) hearts". But if he knows everything like the Quran states many places, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and he thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

#102 8/44: "For to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)". Allah decides everything - and he does it by predestining everything which is going to happen or be done. But where is then the moral defence for his punishments or rewards, when he himself has decided what shall happen and then forced the persons to do it?

Oh, we know Islam's claimed "explanation": That man also has free will. But those two claims are mutually excluding each other, and maximum one of those two claims can be true, even for a god.

In the Bible none of these problems exist, because there man has real free will.

103 8/45: "When ye (Muslims*) meet a force (in war*), be firm - - -". This merits a comment like the one to 8/41a above.

And one more clear proof for that Jesus and Muhammad was not in the same religion.

104 8/46a: "Obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". A strong version of Muhammad's main mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power; his god. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this.

Also Jesus told he had divine connections, but he did not use this - perhaps even stronger - connection for personal promotion and for securing a platform of power, like Muhammad used his claimed connection to strengthen his worldly and political position time and again and again.

105 8/46b: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 7/157a-c - and for that case the others under 7/157.

106 8/46c: "- - - fall into no disputes, lest ye lose heart - - -". This is one of the means leaders of fringe or extreme sects use to manipulate their followers: If the followers get little information and facts from "the outside" to correct the leader's claims, it is easier for the leader to lead - and mislead - his "flock". You meet this sometimes in the Quran.

107 8/47a: "- - - the Path of Allah - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists, and is of little interest unless he in addition is something supernatural. But beware if he turns out to belong to the dark forces.

###108 8/47b: "- - - for Allah compasseth round about all that they (not good Muslims/cheaters*) do". This is a smart little one, because this is an expression meaning that Allah is smarter at cheating than they were - and what Allah can do, of course Muhammad and all Muslims can do, if it is not directly forbidden - and this is not, as such expressions are the foundation for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth) - formalized acceptance of dishonesty you find in no other of the big religions and few, if any of the small ones - and for acceptance of cheating and deception, etc., which you find in Islam ("war is deceit" to quote Muhammad in Muhammad ibn Ishaq, "Life of Muhammad" (really "Sirat Rahuli I-Lah" = "Life of the Messenger of Allah" written in Baghdad on the order of the Abbasside caliph Al-Mansur around or shortly after 750 AD), the one of the old biographies about Muhammad most respected by science).

109 8/48a: "Remember that Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them (non-Muslims*) - - -". See 7/27b above. Also: A lot of the atrocities and inhumanities and dishonesties the Quran permits, was and is alluring to Muslims, because it made them richer and sometimes more powerful.

110 8/48b: "- - - (sinful) - - -". See 2/21b above.

111 8/48c: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why do so when the reality behind the Quran and also the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, in practice prove that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

If this is the case - that Allah just is a made up pagan god - this means that he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by parents, Muslim clergy, Islamic compulsion, and the disproved claim that the Quran is from a god and tells the truth and only the truth.

112 8/49a: "These people (the Muslims*) - their religion has mislead them". If f.x. Jesus' teaching is right, this claim also is right. The same if the Quran is not from any god.

113 8/49b: "- - - Allah is Exalted in might - - -". According to the Bible only Yahweh is exalted in might. And what is an undisputable fact is that Allah has no might unless he exists, and very little unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black.

114 8/49c: "Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he is the maker of the Quran. Too much is wrong in that book - if it is from a god, it is not from a wise or well informed god.

115 8/50: "If thou (Muslims/Muhammad*) couldst see, when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers (non-Muslims*) (at death), (how) they smite their faces and their backs, (saying): 'Taste the Penalty of the blazing Fire - - -'". This like much more in the Quran - even much pretended to be Biblical stuff - is not from the Bible.

Just to mention it: According to the Bible this is not the case for followers of Yahweh.

116 8/51: "- - - Allah is never unjust to His servants - - -". If this is true, who then has made the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, or the unjust parts of the sharia laws, etc.?

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

117 8/52a: "- - - Signs of Allah - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

118 8/52b: "- - - the People of the Pharaoh (Moses' Pharaoh Ramses II*) - - - Allah punished them for their crime - - -". According to the Bible, the involved god was Yahweh, not Allah.

119 8/52c: "- - - for Allah is strong, and Strict in punishment". He in case never in these 1400 years - or before - has proved neither his strength nor his punishment anywhere inside or outside the Quran - not in the entire wide world. (Guess if Islam and its Muslims had boasted about it if there had been even a single proved case.)

120 8/53a: "Because Allah will never change the Grace which He hath bestowed on a people until they change what is in their (own) souls - - -". Which is impossible if what the Quran several places states is the case: That Allah predestines everything, and does so according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change. Oh, we know ever so well that Muhammad and the Quran claim man has free will in addition, but those two claims - even a miniscule part of free will - are mutually excluding each others, and maximum one of them can be true - in the non-material realms of life there are things impossible even for omniscient and omnipotent gods too.

In the Bible one does not meet this problem, as man mostly have free will, and Yahweh only sporadically uses his power to decide the future.

121 8/53b: "- - - the Grace (of Allah*) - - -". - does not exist unless Allah exists and in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

122 8/53c: "- - - Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things)". For one thing it is very clear he does not know all things if he is behind a book of a quality like the Quran. For another the Bible tells that the one who is omniscient is Yahweh, not Allah.

123 8/54a: "- - - the Signs of their Lord (here intended to mean Allah*) - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

124 8/54b: "- - - We (Allah*) destroyed - - - drowned - - -". This Allah could not do unless he existed and in addition was something powerful, good or bad. And besides the Bible tells that the involved god was Yahweh, not Allah.

125 8/54c: "- - - wrongdoers". See 2/21b above.

126 8/55: "For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him - - -". This only may be - may be - true if Allah exists, something Muhammad never was able to prove, and something f.x. the Bible indirectly but very clearly tells he does not (or at least that he in case is no god) - and the same goes for the realities around the Quran and also around its claimed god. But according to the Bible the followers of Yahweh are the best ones, and none of them believe in Allah.

127 8/56: "- - - the fear (of Allah)". See 8/48c above.

128 8/57: "If ye gain the mastery over them (non-Muslims*) in war, disperse, with them, those who follow them - - -". Try to find a similar quote from Jesus!! One more of the at least 100% proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad were not belonging to the same religion and not serving the same god - and then of course not in the same line of prophets (in addition to that Muhammad was not really a prophet - see 7/157e above).

And compare this to Jesus': "Love your enemies" (Matt. 5/44). Jesus and Muhammad definitely did not serve the same god, nor belong to the same religion - not to mention to the same moral code or line of prophets.

129 8/58a: A parallel to 8/57 just above - weaker, but a parallel.

130 8/58b: "- - - Allah loveth not - - -". Well, he cannot do so in any case, unless he exists.

131 8/60a: "Against them (non-Muslims*) make ready your strength to the outmost of your (armed*) power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your (Muslims'*) enemies, and others besides - - -". Another parallel to 8/57 above. And a strong one.

But compare this to Jesus': "Love your enemies" (Matt. 5/44). Jesus and Muhammad definitely did not serve the same god, nor belong to the same religion - not to mention to the same line of prophets or the same moral code.

132 8/60b: "- - - the Cause of Allah - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists and in addition is a god (it is a bit difficult to talk about "the Cause of Allah" if he is a devil).

133 8/60c: "- - - unjustly". See 2/21b above.

134 8/61: "- - - He (Allah*) is the One that heareth and knoweth (all things)". See 8/53 above.

135 8/62: "He (Allah*) hath strengthened thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) - - -". Impossible unless he exists and in addition is something supernatural - and according to the Bible he in case is not a god, as according to that book, the only god is Yahweh.

136 8/63a: "- - - Allah is Exalted in might - - -". According to the Bible only Yahweh is exalted in might. And what is an undisputable fact is that Allah has no might unless he exists, and very little unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black.

137 8/63b: "Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he is the maker of the Quran. Too much is wrong in that book - if it is from a god, it is not from a wise or well informed god.

138 8/64a: "O Prophet (Muhammad)!" See 7/157e above - and for that case also the other comments under 7/157.

139 8/64b: "Sufficient unto thee (Muhammad*) is Allah - (unto thee) and unto those who follow thee among the Believers (Muslims*)". This only may be the case if Allah exists and is a god - he hardly can be sufficient for many if he is a devil, except perhaps in their belief.

140 8/65a: "O Prophet (Muhammad)!" See 7/157e above - and for that case also the other comments under 7/157.

141 8/65b: "O Prophet (Muhammad*)! Rouse the Believers (Muslims*) to the fight (for Allah and Muhammad*)". Sentences like these each are 200%+ proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion, or serve the same god - - - or belong to the same line of prophets. You NEVER find orders like this from Yahweh to Jesus. And even when Yahweh in the really old times sometimes incited to war, it was to establish or defend a country, not to promote the religion or to conquer the world.

142 8/65c: "O Prophet (Muhammad*)! Rouse the Believers (Muslims*) to the fight (for Allah and Muhammad*). If there are twenty amongst you (Muslims*), patient and persevering, they will vanquish 200: is a hundred, they will vanquish a thousands of the Unbelievers - - -". Try to find something like this in NT!! - yes, even in the OT!

143 8/65d: "- - - for these (non-Muslims*) are a people without understanding". Who are without understanding? The ones believing Muhammad? The ones instead believing f.x. in Yahweh? The ones who were/are able to understand that something like the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc. impossibly could come from a god? The ones who in addition were/are able to see that a god is a good and convenient platform of power for many a self proclaimed prophet. Also see 16/67 below.

It also here is worthwhile to remember that Muhammad and his Quran in reality does not address man's intelligence - this in spite of Muhammad's claims to the opposite - like here. Read the Quran and you will see Muhammad and his book are playing on man's feelings, not his intelligence - the wish for a good second life, the fear of hell, the wish to be respected (f.x. to be reckoned among "the men of understanding"), the insecurity ("what if Muhammad is right?"). He never tries to systematically prove his tales. Oh, he throws around claims about "signs" and "proofs", but they just are distinguished words influencing people's feeling about and impression from his preaching and claims - nothing systematically proving anything, just loose claims built on positive words but without logically acceptable facts behind them.

Muhammad talked to the feelings, but to pretend he aimed at their intelligence was wiser - flattery often works.

€€€144 8/65-69: This is not from the Bible, and absolutely not from NT. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

145 8/66: A parallel to 8/65c above.

###146 8/67a: "It is not fitting for a Prophet (here Muhammad*) that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land". If Muhammad should not have prisoners of war during military raids or campaigns, what was he then to do with them? But is it more fitting for one who claims to be representing a good and benevolent god instead to kill them?

(You may meet Muslims saying nice things about not taking prisoners, end of slavery, etc. Both are nonsense, especially as the same verse indirectly, but very clearly states that taking prisoners is ok after the battle is won, and one can spend resources/use warriors for such things. But, well, if you kill an opponent, you do not make him prisoner of war. Which was not fitting for Muhammad.)

147 8/67b: "- - - Prophet (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157e and the other comments under 7/157 above.

148 8/67c: "- - - Allah is Exalted in might - - -". According to the Bible only Yahweh is exalted in might. And what is an undisputable fact is that Allah has no might unless he exists, and very little unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black.

149 8/67d: "Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he is the maker of the Quran. Too much is wrong in that book - if it is from a god, it is not from a wise or well informed god.

150 8/68: "- - - ordainment from Allah - - -". Impossible unless he exists and in addition is something powerful, good or bad.

###151 8/69a: "But (now) enjoy what ye (Muslims*) took (stole*) in war, lawful and good". It is not possible to find words describing the difference between Jesus and Muhammad - the differences are too many, too big, and too fundamental. Not the same religion, not serving the same god, not being in the same line of anything religiously significant. One of the absolute proofs for that Muhammad's claims about the connections to Yahweh or Jesus are wrong.

###152 8/69b: "But (now) enjoy what ye (Muslims*) took (stolen valuables/captives/slaves*) in war, lawful and good - - - for Allah - - - is Most Merciful". What about the victims? Do you see the sick, though unintended, black joke? 

This claimed good and benevolent god Allah says: "But (now) enjoy what ye (Muslims*) took (=stole*) in war (valuables, captives, slaves (as for raping girls and women, Muhammad in Hadiths says coitus interrupts is not advisable, because it is for Allah to decide whether there shall be a child afterwards or not)), lawful and good". That this has to be done in the name of Allah (during/after a "holy" war) makes this immoral extra despicable. An extreme proof for that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion, the same moral code, the same code of conduct, the same code concerning honesty in words and deeds, etc., not to mention had the same point of view on Jesus words: "Do to others as you would have them do to you" (Luke 6/31). Add this to what we know of historical facts, included about religions, from this part of the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus, and there only is one conclusion possible: Except for the monotheism - whoever said/says the basic thoughts and teaching and religion of Jesus ever were even distantly related to the teaching, etc. of Muhammad, simply did/does not know what he/she was/is talking about - or he/she is using an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie - accepted in Islam (but in no other of the big religions) for several wide purposes (f.x. to cheat women or save your money), and not only permitted, but advised to use "if necessary" to defend or promote Islam). The claim that they were in the same line of prophets, we do not even bother to comment on here. 

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Stratagem to avoid or circumvent legal principles or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choices, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campaigned of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguise. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

But as no book of a quality like the Quran is from any god - to claim it is, is slander and an insult and heresy towards that god - then who made this part of the Quran's and Islam's moral code? There only are 3 alternatives:

1): The dark forces. (A number of immoral and inhuman points in the Quran may indicate this.)

2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Modern medical science suspects this.

3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's. All the mistakes in the Quran believed to be correct science at the time of Muhammad, plus f.x. the fact that all material in the book is from Arabia and neighboring area, strongly indicates this - perhaps combined with alternative 2. And also all the times Allah(?) helped Muhammad with f.x. family problems, indicates the same.

For a comparison: As for the Bible there is a chance for that there is a god behind it - f.x. all the witnesses to what happened to and around Jesus are difficult to explain away. And also his disciples and f.x. Paul and Luke could not twist or make up too much about him later, because too many knew what had really happened, so that the only thing they would gain from too much fantasy, would be to lose credibility. Also the first martyrs - people who had firsthand knowledge to what really had happened - are difficult to explain away.

153 8/69c: "- - - Allah is Exalted in might - - -". According to the Bible only Yahweh is exalted in might. And what is an undisputable fact, is that Allah has no might unless he exists, and very little unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black.

154 8/69d: "Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he is the maker of the Quran. Too much is wrong in that book - if it is from a god, it is not from a wise or well informed god.

155 8/70a: "O Prophet!". See 7/157e above - and for that case also the other comments under 7/157.

156 8/70b: This verse is more or less a parallel to 8/69a+b above.

###157 8/70c: "- - - He (Allah*) will give you (slaves taken by Muhammad*) something better (Paradise - if you become Muslims*) than what has been taken from you (the freedom*) - - -". Not one word about restating their freedom. You meet Muslims claiming that Islam intended to end slavery. But anything Muhammad said and did was and is morally ok, right, and just, and any Muslim can do the same, if it is not specially prohibited. History knows of no try by Islam to stop slavery - on the contrary they were forced backwards into abolition by western ideas and by mainly British and American warships and other power. The last Muslim country to prohibit slavery was Mauritania in unbelievable 1982 - and they did not make it a punishable crime until in 2007!!!

And as taking and trading and keeping slaves are fully accepted by the Quran, you can be pretty sure that if Islam ever gets the upper hand in the world, slavery will at least "de facto" and over time also "de jure" be reintroduced in at least the Islamic societies. (We mention here that UN a few years ago (2008?) reported that 24 million humans in the world were slaves or lived under slave-like conditions - a good part of them in Muslim area.)

#158 8/70d: "- - - (Allah is*) Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful". Compare Muhammad's teaching in Medina, included moral codes, behavior towards non-Muslims, rules for behavior in war, and for dishonesty/looting, raping, slave-taking, etc., etc. - compare this to the teaching of Jesus, and see if Yahweh may be Even More Merciful than a god of discrimination, apartheid, rape, hate and war. (Actually anybody with some education and able to think himself, who are able to read the Quran's/Allah's moral, ethical, and judicial codes, and then with a straight face declare that Allah is the Most Merciful one, deserves an Oscar.)

Just to mention it: The Quran tells Allah has 99 names, and these are some of them, the names generally are descriptions in superlative - Most Kind, Most Merciful, Most High, Most Kind, Most Gracious, etc., but also names like f.x. Oft-Forgiving, etc.

Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the cheap, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve? And if it is correct that Allah just is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by the Quran and Islamic compulsion - what thoughts do you then make yourself?

159 8/71a: "- - - (- - - Messenger) - - -". See 7/157a-c and for that case also the other comments under 7/157.

160 8/71b: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) have already been in treason against Allah - - -".

1. "Persons betraying the god, are bad people".

2. But betrayal is impossible if Allah does not exist - there is no-one to betray.

3. And: It is not possible to betray anyone unless you have some connection to him/her - a connection which expects an amount of trust. Therefore it is not possible for non-Muslims to betray Allah even if he should happen to exist - they have no connection to him, yes, they - f.x. Christians - do not even believe he exists (partly because the Bible indirectly, but very clearly tells Allah is not a god - also the reality around the Quran and around Allah proves the same.).

161 8/71c: "And Allah is He Who hath (full) knowledge and wisdom". For one thing this is not true if Allah is behind the Quran and all its errors, contradictions, etc. For another: According to the Bible it is Yahweh, not Allah, who is the one who has full knowledge of everything - at least everything which has happened (as for knowledge also see 22/3a below).

162 8/71d: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 22/3a below.

164 8/72a: "Those (Muslims*) who - - - fought for the Faith (Islam*), with their property (financing raids and wars*) and their persons (went on raids or to war*), in the cause of Allah - - - (are the good persons*)". Where did Jesus say anything similar instead of "turn the other cheek"? One of the solid proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad were very far apart - not in the same religion, not serving the same god, not being in the same line of prophets. Definitely not.

As for "the cause of Allah", see 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 29/2 below.

Just to mention it: There nowhere in the Bible is a demand to fight armed raids or wars for Yahweh - or for Jesus. Definitely not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad as definitely not in the same religion.

164 8/72b: "- - - Allah seeth all that ye (people/Muslims*) do". But if he sees and knows everything like the Quran states many places, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and he thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

165 8/74a: "Those who believe (Muslims*), and - - - fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah - - - these are (all) in very truth the Believers - - -". This is 180 degrees the opposite of Jesus': "Turn the other Cheek" (f.x. Matt.5/39) or "Love your enemies" (f.x. Matt/ 5/44), etc. Comments like under 8/72a above.

166 8/74b: "- - - forgiveness - - -". Impossible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

167 8/74c: "- - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above.

168 8/75a: "And those who - - - fight for the Faith (Islam*) in your (Muhammad's/Muslims'*) company - - -". Comment like under 8/72a above.

169 8/75b: "Verily Allah is well acquainted with all things". Not if he made the Quran with all its errors, contradictions, cases of invalid logic - resulting in wrong conclusions - clumsy explanations or statements (according to Muslims who have to "explain" they mean something else, in order to "explain" away mistakes and difficult points), etc.

An extra point: How much do you respect the use of strengthening, but cheap words like "verily", "in truth", "truly", "certainly", etc. for strengthening loose claims, etc.? After all any cheat, deceiver, charlatan, swindler, etc. can use such words free of charge as long as they do not have to prove anything. But a zero multiplied with even a billion, still only is a zero.

Subtotal: 169 + 2973 = 3142 comments.

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This work was uploaded with assistance from M. A. Khan, the author of Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery, and the editor of islam-watch.org website.