Bible versus Quran: 1000+ Differences & Contradictions -- Surah 7

 

The Quran: Its Divergence from the Bible

Surah 7: Al-A'raf (The Heights)

Mecca 621 AD.

01 7/2a: "A Book (the Quran*) revealed - - -". Different from the Bible the Quran claims it is made in Heaven - or perhaps has existed since eternity and never made - and then sent down/revealed to Muhammad (and similar to all earlier Muslim prophets and messengers to all people on Earth and through all times - 124ooo or more through the times according to Hadiths). Muhammad claimed it was an exact copy of the claimed "Mother of the Book" which Allah and his angels revered in Heaven (but please read the Quran and see for yourself; do you honestly believe a god would revere - or even respect - a book of a quality like the Quran?) But no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran, so if it is revealed, then by whom?

Also see 2/176b above and 45/13a below.

002 7/2b: "- - - with it thou (Muhammad*) mightiest warn (the erring*) - - -". But who are the erring if the Quran is a made up book? - and at least it is from no god, as no god would deliver something that full of errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc.

003 7/3a: "Follow (O People!) the revelation (the Quran*) - - -". See 7/2a above.

004 7/3b: "Follow (O People!) the revelation (the Quran*) given unto you from your Lord (Allah*)". If Allah has delivered the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, low quality composed structure, etc. he is not omniscient. If he is omniscient he was not involved in a book of a quality like the Quran with all its errors, contradiction, invalid logic, etc.

005 7/3c: "- - - follow not , as friends or protectors, others than Him (Allah*)". The Bible advices Yahweh instead of Allah. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Stratagem to avoid or circumvent legal principles or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choises, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campaigned of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguise. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

Just to mention it: The Quran tells Allah has 99 names, and these are some of them. The names generally are descriptions in superlative - Most Kind, Most Merciful, Most High, Most Kind, Most Gracious, etc., but also names like f.x. Oft Forgiving, etc.

Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the cheap, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve?)

006 7/4a: This verse is - like so many others - not from the Bible. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

007 7/4b: "How many towns have We (Allah*) destroyed (for their sins)?" There are people telling that Yahweh is a harsh god, and refer to the hard points in OT - most of it connected to building and defence of a Jewish homeland. But if Yahweh = Allah like Muhammad claimed, Allah did all the harsh things Yahweh did + all the harsh things the Quran reports in addition - no doubt who of them is the harshest of the two - - - if both exists.

We may mention that in and around Arabia there are ruins. Muhammad tells that the people there were killed by Allah for their sins. Science knows a number of other possible reasons for ruins in a harsh and war prone area.

008 7/4c: "- - - (- - - sins) - - -". See 2/21b above.

009 7/4d+5a: "Our (Allah's*) punishment - - -". - does not exist unless Allah exists, and is of little consequence unless he in addition is something powerful, black or white.

010 7/5b: "- - - wrong". See 2/21b above.

011 7/6: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Message - - -". There is not one message inside or outside the Quran documented to come from a god. And "claims without a proof can be dismissed without a proof" + "strong claims demand strong proofs". Actually the quality of the Quran denies that any god has been involved in its making.

012 7/7: "- - - We (Allah*) were never absent - - -". Impossibly correct unless Allah existed. What on the other hand is correct, is that he never was present if he did not exist.

013 7/8: "- - - those whose scale (of good (deeds*)) will be heavy (the Day of Doom*), will prosper". One difference between the Quran and especially NT is that the Quran weight-lays good and bad deeds more and the goodness/forgiving of the god less than especially NT. This said all the same especially NT weight-lays help to and empathy with the needy more than the Quran - in the Quran the main thing is the merit you gain in Heaven from good deeds, whereas in especially NT also empathy with the needy counts as a reason for doing good deeds. (You find little of empathy and little of sympathy with others, except some with good Muslims and with orphans (perhaps because Muhammad was an orphan himself - his father died before he was born, and his mother when he was 6) in the Quran).

But the trouble for Muslims is that as there is no god behind the Quran, the book have wrong definitions for "good" and "bad" sometimes.

014 7/9a: "Those whose scale (of good (deeds*)) will be light (at the Day of Doom*), will find their souls in perdition - - -". A parallel to 7/8 just above.

015 7/9b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

016 7/10: "It is We (Allah*) Who have placed you (people*) with authority on earth - - -". Allah can place nobody anywhere, not to mention give authority to anybody, unless he exists and in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved, neither of which is proved anywhere. Besides, according to the Bible, Yahweh is the only one who can give authority to real prophets.

017 7/11a: "It is We (Allah*) who created you (people*) - - -". According to the Bible this was done by Yahweh, not by Allah (and according to science both are wrong, at least if the creation is claimed to have happened like described in the Bible and in the Quran).

###018 7/11b: "- - - We (Allah*) bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down - - -". Not from the Bible. This sentence shows that in the Quran/Islam man is superior to the angels. In the Bible the relationship is not specified as clear as in the Quran, but it all the same is very clear that the angels belong to a higher order of beings than humans. This very essential difference is one of the 100+% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, the Paradise and the angels and everything else connected to Paradise had been identical (as it was one and the same Paradise).

€€€019 7/12-18: This story about how Iblis became the Devil is not from the Bible.

020 7/12a: "(Allah) said - - -". Impossible unless he existed.

021 7/12b: "Thou (Allah*) didst create me (Iblis/the devil*) from fire - - -". This indicates that Iblis originally was not an angel - they according to Muhammad were created from light - but a jinn. A jinn is something you do not find in the Bible. Also the Bible does not tell how the devil came into being. From where did Muhammad get these two pieces of information or "information"?

Short about jinns: The name "jinn" often is translated with "spirit", but that is not correct - it is a class of invisible beings "borrowed" from Arab folklore and pagan Arab religion, and a class unknown to us in the west - and as we have no name for them, we often translate the word with "spirit". Alfred Guillaume - famous scientist on the Quran and Islam - says in his book "Islam", p. 65: "(There is*) a class of beings intermediate between men and angels, with which we (from West*) are unfamiliar. These are the jinns, who are created of fire. They are physical beings. (Fire is particles or molecules/atoms drifting in the air - aerosols - and so hot that they emit light. For one thing aerosols are material. For another the old Islamic laws had laws for marriage between humans and jinns, and such a marriage could not be fulfilled unless also the jinns are material. For a third 55/56 shows that physical sex between humans and jinns were/are possible, which also confirms that the jinns are material beings.) There are good and bad jinn (but most of them end in Hell*)".

022 7/13+15: "(Allah) said - - -". Impossible unless he existed.

023 7/16: "- - - Thy (Allah's*) Straight Way - - -". Is it symptomatic that the Quran and Muhammad talk about "the straight Way", "the even Path", "the straight Path", etc. - the easy road - to the Paradise, whereas Jesus talked about "the narrow road" - the difficult one? Populism contra realism?

€€€024 7/18-26: The story of Adam's and Eve's fall into sin in Eden, is roughly similar to the one in the Bible, but the details are different. From where did Muhammad get those new details? (The case is similar for several Biblical stories repeated in the Quran - they often are added to or twisted - or points have disappeared.)

025 7/18: "(Allah) said - - -". Impossible unless he existed.

026 7/19: "- - - approach not this tree - - -". In the Bible there were 2 "dangerous" trees, "the Tree of Wisdom" and "the Tree of (eternal*) Life" (1. Mos. 3/22), though it seems that only the first one was prohibited originally. From the description in 6/20 it seems that in the Quran it is "the Tree of Life" Eve took from, not "the Tree of Wisdom" like in the Bible (1. Mos. 3/22).

027 7/20: "- - - become angels or such beings as live forever". This sounds like "the Tree of Life". According to the Bible Eve took fruits from "the Tree of Wisdom".

#028 7/23-25: Differently from in the Bible Adam and Eve asked for forgiveness, and even if it is not said just here, the Quran makes it clear that even though they were evicted from Eden, they were forgiven the sin of eating from the forbidden tree. Because of this, you do not find the dogma of the inherited sin in the Quran, only in the Bible.

029 7/24: "- - - enmity between yourselves (Adam and Eve*) - - -". In the Bible there is said enmity between humans ("the woman") and the serpent (1. Mos. 3/15) (because the serpent - likely representing or impersonated by the Devil - tempted Eve to do wrong).

030 7/26a: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

031 7/26b: "- - - Signs of Allah - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

032 7/26c: "- - - receive admonition". Admonition? - from a book like the Quran?

033 7/27a: "Let not Satan seduce you (people*) - - -". See 6/142b-c above.

034 7/27b: "We made the Satans friends (only) of those without Faith". Also this is thought provoking, because if Allah does not exist, or even if he exists, but the Quran with all its mistakes, etc. has described him and his religion mistakenly, Islam is a made up religion, and Muslims in case in reality has no faith, only a superstition. And Islam is so brutal a religion, that it may well be that this verse indicates that Muslims in case are friends of Satan - a number of points both in the Quran's moral code and its judicial code is easy to understand if dark forces took part in the making of the book. Dark spiritual forces or one or more dark human minds.

It here is very thought provoking that one of the theories for who made the Quran is that it was made by just Iblis/the Devil, and that - as indicated just above - many points in the religion and its claimed holy book are such that they may strengthen such a theory. Also see 7/30b below.

035 7/27c: "- - - We (Allah*) made the Satans friends (only) to those without Faith". As the Quran with all its errors and worse is not from any god, the book does not teach a true faith. Does this quote then mean that the Satans are friends of the Muslims? We here remind you that the dark forces are one of only 3 possible makers of the Quran, and that a number of f.x. the moral and ethical rules in the Quran, and some of the sharia laws, fit a devil better than they fit a benevolent god - compare it to "do against others like you want others do against you" before you protest.

036 7/28a: "We (non-Muslims*) found our fathers doing so". This is just a main reason for why Muslims believe in Islam - extremely few of them have sat down with the Quran, and used their brain and knowledge on the question: "How much of this can be true?"

Very many of them only say to themselves: "My father said the Quran is the truth, because my grandfather told him so, because my great grandfather told my grandfather so, because - - -. And also my surroundings and my imam say so because their forefathers told them so. Then it must be the truth!"

037 7/28b: "Nay, Allah never commands what is shameful - - -". According to all normal ethical, moral, and judicial codes, included those preached by Jesus ("do against others like you want others do against you"), a number of Allah's(?) orders and demands in Medina were and are shameful. (But to be fair this surah is from 621 AD, which means it is from Mecca. Allah(?) gave few shameful orders until after the flight to Medina in 622 AD - but in Medina he(?) gave/made a lot such orders and demands.

That is to say: As the Quran and all its mistakes, etc. - even a few(?) lies - is from no god, who in reality made those orders and demand? - and what are they worth?

038 7/28c: "- - - do ye say of Allah what ye know not?" As the Quran and all its mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, even a few(?) lies + partly immoral moral code, etc. is not from any god, and definitely not from an omniscient, benevolent one, this is THE central question for Islam and for its Muslims.

039 7/29a: "My (Muhammad's*) Lord (Allah*) hath commanded justice - - -". A parallel to 7/28 just above.

040 7/29b: "- - - prayer - - -". See 4/77a above.

041 7/29c: "- - - such as He (Allah*) created you (humans*) - - -". According to the Bible, man was created by Yahweh, not by Allah - and according to science man is not created, but developed from earlier primates (not from apes like demagogues like to say, but from earlier primates). 

042 7/30a: "Some He (Allah*) hath guided - - -". Not unless he exists. It also is a very open question what kind of guidance he gave, if he used the Quran with all its errors, contradictions, and clearly not from any god, as a guidebook.

043 7/30b: "- - - others have (by their choice) deserved the loss of their way; in that they took the Satan, in preference to Allah, for their friends and protectors, and think that they receive guidance". Once more we are back to the hard fact that one of the three theories for who made the Quran, was the dark forces. In that case this is an ominous sentence which bodes danger for the Muslims, at least if there really is a next life and a good and benevolent god somewhere (no good and benevolent god would accept liars, thief’s, rapists, murderers, etc. like parts of the Quran accepts or even recommends or demands). Also see 7/27b above.

044 7/31: "- - - prayer - - -". See 4/77a above.

045 7/32a: "Who hath forbidden the beautiful (gifts (like the permission to rob and to rape female captives?*)), which Allah hath produced for His servants, and the things (here food*), clean and pure, (which He hath provided) for sustenance?" The food prohibitions are more lax than in OT, though stricter than in NT. And other claimed "gifts from Allah" - are they really beautiful all of them?

046 7/32b: "- - - which He (Allah*) hath produced - - -". Allah has produced nothing unless he exists, and very little unless he in addition is something powerful, black or white.

047 7/32c: "- - - the Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

048 7/32d: "- - - for those who understand". Muhammad played on naive, uneducated and primitive people's wish to be among the respected ones - f.x. for being intelligent - and their reluctance to face disrespect from f.x. being so stupid as not to believe in Muhammad's new religion. Especially the naive and primitive and uneducated and not too intelligent ones are easy prey for such propaganda.

049 7/33a: "The things that my (Muhammad's*) Lord (Allah*) hath indeed forbidden are; shameful deeds - - -". A parallel to 7/28b above.

050 7/33b: "The things that my (Muhammad's*) Lord (Allah*) hath indeed forbidden are - - - saying things about Allah of which ye (people*) have no knowledge". This sentence is a reason for thoughts, as one know that the Quran and all its mistakes, etc. are not from a god, and thus that we have no reliable knowledge about Allah, except that it is highly unlikely he exists.

051 7/33c: "- - - sins - - -". See 2/21b above.

052 7/33d: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

053 7/33e: "- - - assigning partners for Allah - - -". See 1/5 and 6/14c above.

054 7/33f: "- - - for which He (Allah*) hath given no authority - - -". Allah can give no authority about anything unless he exists, and just little unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black.

055 7/33g: "- - - knowledge". When the Bible speaks about knowledge, it means the general meaning of the word if nothing else is specified. When the Quran uses the word, it normally means religious or other knowledge relevant to the Quran and Islam - secular knowledge, called "foreign knowledge" during much of Islam's history was frowned at, and especially after 1095 AD some - places and times even forbidden and punishable to express.

It also is symptomatic that many places in the Islamic area the official name for the times before Islam, is "the times of ignorance". This in spite of that the cultural nations like Persia, Egypt, and Greece had much more knowledge than the attacking Arabs at that time had - they only did not accept that the new religion was the truth) or did not even know about it), and to the Muslim fanatics only knowledge relevant to Islam was (and to some is?) real knowledge (as for knowledge also see 22/3a below).

Also note that Muhammad frequently used claims about knowledge etc. to flatter his followers or proselytes: "You who understand and accept my religion are intelligent and wise, the others are ignorant and stupid and ignorant". Who does not want to belong to the wise ones? - especially among the persons naive enough to be unable to see through this kind of manipulation?

056 7/34: "To every people is a term (the time of its destruction/death*) appointed: when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause to delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (in anticipation).

Once more Muhammad's very clear claim that Allah predestines everything and nobody and nothing can change his Plan. Total predestination does not exist in the Bible. Yahweh can interfere and make things happen, but nothing like total predestination. This is one of the many absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been the same one, their handling of predestination had been the same. 

057 7/35a: "- - - My (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

058 7/35b: "- - - righteous - - -". See 2/21b above.

059 7/36a: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

060 7/36b: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) are Companions of the Fire (are going to Hell*) - - -". According to the Bible this goes not for the followers of Yahweh - whereas Muslims are so far from Yahweh's teaching, that they may be in danger (to use weak words).

061 7/37a: "Who is more unjust than one who invents a lie against Allah - - -". See f.x. 6/144b above.

062 7/37b: "- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

063 7/37c: "- - - the things (other gods*) that ye (non-Muslims*) invoke besides Allah - - -". See 6/14c above.

064 7/37d: "They (made up gods*) have left us (the made up gods' followers*) in the lurch". As the Quran and all its mistakes is not from any god, and as Allah also in no other way ever has manifested himself, the chances for that he does not exist is approaching infinity. And if Allah does not exist - or is wrongly described (f.x. is from the dark forces) among all the errors in the Quran - where does that leave the Muslims?

065 7/38-39: These verses - like many other verses - are not from the Bible. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

066 7/38a: "He (Allah*) will say (at the Day of Doom*) - - -". He will say nothing unless he exists and is a major god - and according to the Bible he will say nothing that day anyhow, because according to that book it is Yahweh who will do the speaking then.

067 7/38b: "- - - jinns - - -". A kind of beings not found in the Bible. They are "borrowed" from Arab folklore and old Arab pagan religion (like so much in Islam - f.x. most of Islam's ceremonies are from the old Arab pagan religion. A reason for thinking.)

Short about jinns: The name "jinn" often is translated with "spirit", but that is not correct - it is a class of invisible beings "borrowed" from Arab folklore and pagan Arab religion, and a class unknown to us in the west - and as we have no name for them, we often translate the word with "spirit". Alfred Guillaume - famous scientist on the Quran and Islam - says in his book "Islam", p. 65: "(There is*) a class of beings intermediate between men and angels, with which we (from West*) are unfamiliar. These are the jinns, who are created of fire. They are physical beings. (Fire is particles or molecules/atoms drifting in the air - aerosols - and so hot that they emit light. For one thing aerosols are material. For another the old Islamic laws had laws for marriage between humans and jinns, and such a marriage could not be fulfilled unless also the jinns are material. For a third 55/56 shows that physical sex between humans and jinns were/are possible, which also confirms that the jinns are material beings.) There are good and bad jinn (but most of them end in Hell*)".

068 7/40a: "- - - those who reject Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". It is not possible to reject signs which do not exist - and there does not exist one proved sign provably from Allah.

069 7/40b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) reward - - -". Allah can reward - or punish - nobody if he does not exist, or if he exists but is not something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Neither his existence, nor his being a god is in any way proved. There only are Muhammad's words for both - a man even the Quran behind the glorious words tell had a very doubtful moral and reliability.

070 7/40c: "- - - the Garden - - -". = Paradise - remember here that the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran - are one of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 7/42b below.

071 7/40d: "- - - until the camel can pass through the eye of the needle - - -". There is another possible meaning for the Arab word in the original text, which here is translated with "camel": a thick rope. Of course also impossible to get through the eye of the needle - - - until one remembers that the small door in or beside the main gates in many walled cities some places was called "the eye of the needle".

072 7/40e: "- - - sin". See 2/21b above.

073 7/41a: "For them (non-Muslims*) there is Hell - - -". According to the Bible, this is wrong at least for the followers of Yahweh - - - and also the Bible indirectly, but very clearly tells that Muslims are not followers of Yahweh, which means that Muslims have a very doubtful future if there is a next life ruled by Yahweh.

074 7/41b: "- - - do wrong". See 2/21b above.

075 7/42a: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

076 7/42b: "- - - the Garden - - -". The Quran's Paradise is a poor, uneducated, naive desert warrior's ultimate dream about a king's lazy luxury life, included lots of women. The Bible's Paradise is by far more worthy a god. The difference between the two Paradises is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their paradise had been one and the same.

One point the Quran never explains, is how it is possible for you to have your family around you like the Quran promises, if not all of them qualifies for the same heaven or garden? Your son and daughter qualify for garden number 1 and 3 respectively, your wife for number 2, whereas you yourself were killed in the Battle of Tours in 732 AD and qualify for Firdaws. How to collect your family around you, like the Quran states is a fact?

077 7/42c: "- - - therein (Paradise*) to dwell (for ever)". But 11/107a and 11/108 may indicate that the Quran's Paradise is not quite forever - and 6/128c, 11/107b, and 78/23 may indicate that also Hell is not forever. If this is the case in one or both cases, this is another proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - in the Bible both Paradise and Hell are forever.

078 7/43a: "Praise be to Allah - - -". What for if he does not exist? - not to mention if he exists, but belongs to the dark forces?

079 7/43b: "- - - guided - - - guidance - - -". For one thing Allah could guide exactly no-one unless he existed, and for another; no guide using a guidebook as full of errors, contradictions, etc. like the Quran, is a reliable guide.

080 7/43c: "- - - the truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

081 7/43d: "- - - the Prophets (included Muhammad) of our (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". An essential point here is that the Quran claims many of the Biblical prophets - like normal for Muhammad a never proved claim - for Allah. According to the Bible they were prophets for Yahweh. (If you remove the Biblical prophets from the Quran, there only remain 4 - 5 named claimed prophets in the Quran, and only one of them - Muhammad - is reasonably well proved (but not better than there exist scientists who believe he is a convenient fiction)).

As for Muhammad being a prophet: See 7/157e below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

082 7/43e: "- - - the Garden - - -". See 7/42b above.

083 7/43f: "- - - (- - -righteousness) - - -". See 2/21b above.

084 7/44a: This Bible-like verse - like so many other such ones - is not from the Bible.

085 7/44b: "- - - the Garden - - -". See 7/42b above.

086 7/44c: "We (Muslims in Paradise*) have indeed found the promises of our Lord (Allah*) to us true - - -". The description of the Paradise in the Bible and in the Quran is so different, that maximum one of them can be true if there only is one.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

087 7/44d: "- - - the promises of our (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". These do not exist unless Allah exists, and means little unless he in addition is a god. By the way: As the Quran and all its errors are not from a god - no omniscient god was ever involved in a book of a quality like the Quran - then whose promises are they really? - and how much are they worth?

088 7/44e: "- - - true". See 2/26 above.

089 7/44f: "- - - the curse of Allah - - -". A parallel to 7/44c above.

090 7/44g: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". See 2/21b above.

091 7/45a: "- - - the Path of Allah - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists, and also would be of little consequence unless Allah in addition was something powerful, black or white.

092 7/45b: "- - - and would seek therein (the path of Allah*) - - -". A path relying on a guidebook/map like the Quran has got to be crooked here and there - far too much is wrong in that book.

€€€093 7/46-51: Not from the Bible - like so many other verses. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

094 7/46: "- - - the Garden - - -". See 7/42b above.

095 7/47: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". See 2/21b above.

096 7/49a: "- - - His (Allah's*) Mercy - - -". Please read the surahs from Medina and see how much real mercy you find even in this world, especially towards non-Muslims.

097 7/49b: "- - - the Garden - - -". Paradise - remember here that the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran - are one of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

098 7/50a: "- - - the Garden - - -". See 7/42b above.

099 7/50b: "Both these things hath Allah forbidden - - -". The old fact: Allah can forbid nothing unless he exists.

100 7/51: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signe - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

101 7/52a: "For We (Allah*) had certainly sent unto them (some non-Muslims*) a Book - - -". Muhammad claimed that all countries and people in the world had been sent prophets, and the prophets all had received holy books similar to the Quran. Even the Bible originally was similar to the Quran, but the bad Jews and Christians falsified it and it was transformed into the present Bible, according to Muhammad - who like normal never backed his central claims with any documentation or any other kind of proof. We may add that both Science and Islam - the last one involuntarily - strongly have proved with strong empirical and circumstantial proofs that the claim is wrong. We also may mention that you nowhere in the Bible find claims about prophets or holy books to every group of people through all times like the Quran as mentioned states.

An extra point: How much do you respect the use of strengthening, but cheap words like "verily", "in truth", "truly", "certainly", "assuredly”, etc. for strengthening loose claims, etc.? After all any cheat, deceiver, charlatan, swindler, etc. can use such words free of charge as long as they do not have to prove anything. But a zero multiplied with even a billion still only is a zero.

102 7/52b: "- - - based on knowledge - - -". See 7/33e above and 22/3a below.

103 7/52c: "- - - a guide - - -". No book as full of errors and worse as the Quran, is a reliable guide, and especially not a reliable religious guide. It also is so different from the Bible fundamentally, that maximum one of them can be right. At best the Quran is a far out apocryphal book compared to the Bible.

104 7/52d: "- - - mercy - - -". Does a book like the Quran - preaching dishonesty, stealing/looting, suppression, apartheid, rape, hate, murder, etc. mean mercy? F.x. compare Jesus' life and teaching and practice with Muhammad's life and teaching and practice - they are worlds apart and hardly in the same line of anything of any essence.

105 7/53a: "The Prophets (included Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157e and the other comments under 7/157 below.

106 7/53b: "The Prophets (included Muhammad*) of our (people's*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

107 7/53c: "The Prophets (included Muhammad*) of our (people's*) Lord (Allah*) did indeed bring true (tidings) - - -". See 2/26 above.

108 7/53d: "- - - the things (other gods than Allah*) they (non-Muslims*) invented will leave them in the lurch". But will the Muslims be left in the lurch if Allah is an invented being? And what about Jews and Christians - and Muslims - if instead Yahweh is real and not invented?

109 7/54a: "Your (people's*) Guardian-Lord is Allah - - -". According to the Bible it is Yahweh.

110 7/54b: "- - - Allah, who created the heavens (plural and wrong) and the earth in six Days - - -". The Bible says something similar, and both are wrong according to science.

111 7/54c: "- - - (Allah*) is firmly established on the Throne (of authority) - - -". According to the Bible, only Yahweh fits that throne.

112 7/54d: "Is it not His (Allah's job/right*) to create and to govern?" No, not unless he exists and is a top god, neither of which is in any way documented (on the contrary especially the reality behind the Quran and all its errors, etc. most strongly indicate that Allah is a made up pagan god).

113 7/54e: "Blessed is Allah - - -". Only if he exists and is a god - we will have to hope he is not blessed if he exists, but belongs to the dark forces.

114 7/54f: "- - - Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the Worlds (plural and wrong - se 26/16 below*)!" According to the Bible it is Yahweh who is this, not Allah.

115 7/55 "- - - Allah loveth not those - - -". Allah loves nobody unless he exists. Actually the fundamental part of human life "love" is one of the big differences between the Bible and the Quran, and especially between the youngest part of the Bible (NT) and the youngest and thus most central part of the Quran (the surahs from Medina) - Jesus and his religion of honesty and love versus Muhammad and his religion of accepted dishonesty, of apartheid and suppression, and of blood ("love" is mentioned in the Quran, too, but read the real messages behind the nice words in that book - whenever there is discrepancy between nice words and reality somewhere in the world, we any day believe the reality).

116 7/56a: "Do no mischief on the earth - - -". Muslims have done much mischief on the earth - f.x. raids and wars and pogroms and slave taking - and rape and suppression and murder and much more. Many of their heroes became heroes because of acts like these.

117 7/56b: "- - - the Mercy of Allah - - -". See 4/29b above.

118 7/56c: "- - - do good - - -". See 2/21b above.

119 7/57a: Things claimed done by Allah, claims which cannot be true unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved - - - and things most likely done by nature and not by a god.

120 7/57b: "- - - the Mercy of Allah - - -". See 4/29b above.

121 7/58a: "- - - the Will of the Cherisher (Allah*) - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists, and in any case is of little consequence unless he in addition is something powerful, black or white.

122 7/58b: "- - - Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

123 7/59a: "We (Allah*) sent Noah to his people". One thing is that according to the Bible, Noah's god was Yahweh, not Allah. More to the point just here is that Muhammad was unable to prove anything of his central claims, and he had to argue and argue that he was a prophet, and one of the points was that he had to argue that he as an Arab could be sent to Arabs. The way he did this, was like here to claim that prophets were sent to their own people (and thus that Arabs had to get an Arab prophet - but there are several cases in the Bible and in the Quran where a prophet, etc. was sent to people not his own.) Jesus according to the old books proved his words and his power, and did not meet this problem. Several wanted to believe his power was from the dark forces, but few disbelieved he was something special and had power.

You will find this argument from Muhammad in different version many places in the Quran.

124 7/59b: "Ye (people*) have no other god but Him (Allah*) - - -". But according to the Bible, Noah's god was Yahweh, not Allah. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat more often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - we may even mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on not proved claims (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explain away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers). But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

###125 7/59-64: The story about Noah roughly is like in the Bible, but the details are different. From where did Muhammad get these details?

We may mention one thing concerning Islam and the Big Flood: Science makes it clear that there never was a universal flood, and Islam likes to argue that the Quran is proved by science. As the Quran never clearly says that the Big Flood was universal, you therefore meet Muslims, included Muslim scholars, who tell that the Quran is more correct than the Bible here, and talks about an enormous, but regional flood. They therefore tell you that the Flood of Noah may have been the filling up of the Mediterranean See - - - without mentioning that for one thing this (named the Zanclean Flood) happened around 5.33 million years ago - millions of years before modern man developed, or that science places Noah in what now is south Iraq somewhere, far, far from Mediterranean Sea. Or they tell you that the Flood represents the filling up of the Black Sea - - - without mentioning that this happened some 7600 years ago (to the tune of 2ooo years too early), or that also this was far, far from Noah's south Iraq and Mesopotamia. These are all well known scientific facts, and there is no excuse for Muslim scholars not to check if what they claim at least is possible.

But the really grave dishonesty here is that the Quran indirectly, but very clearly, states that the Flood really was universal: It tells that Noah's Ark finally stranded on the 2058 (2089?) m high Mt. Al-Jedi in Syria (not Ararat in east Turkey). It is physically impossible for an ark/boat to strand on a 2058 (2089?) m high mountain, unless the Big Flood was universal - if not everything was flooded, that high water at once would stream to the not flooded places.

They also never mention that it was and is physically impossible to float an ark/boat from south of Iraq to Mt. Al-Jedi in Syria, unless the water was so deep that the Flood had to be universal.

Mt. Al-Jedi and the fact that the Quran tells the Ark stranded there, is known to absolutely all Muslim scholars. But trying to make the Quran seem to prove science or the other way around, they never mention it in this connection. This tells not a little about the methods Islam uses, and f.x. the accepted use of al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) in Islam even among learned scholars and even when teaching(?) their own followers - even today.

Honesty is not always a strong point in Islam.

126 7/61: "- - - (Allah) the Lord and Cherisher of the Worlds (plural and wrong - see 26/16 below*)!" According to the Bible it is Yahweh who is this, not Allah. Besides, according to the Bible Noah's god was Yahweh, not Allah.

Also note how Noah's story is made similar to Muhammad's - like more or less all stories about prophets in the Quran. A misinformation on Muhammad's claim that he was a normal prophet, though the greatest ever.

127 7/63a: "- - - a message (the Quran*) from your (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". No message as full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. as the Quran, is from any god. (Remember that according to Muhammad all prophets and claimed prophets and messengers received a copy of the claimed "Mother of the Book", revered by Allah and his angels in Heaven - a copy similar to Muhammad's copy, the Quran.)

128 7/63b: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why do so, when the reality behind the Quran and also the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, except in the mouth of Muhammad, in practice prove that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

129 7/63c: "- - - His (Allah's*) Mercy". See 4/29b above.

130 7/64: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

#131 7/65-72: The story about the 'Ad people is not from the Bible, but from Arab folklore. They may have existed, but there is absolutely no indication for that their life in case was anything like described in the Quran. As for the claimed prophet Hud, the only source mentioning him, is Muhammad.

There are no real traces from this people if they ever lived. In Syria there is found the name Iram mentioned as a trading partner to a town in Syria. Iram according to old folklore was the name of the capital of 'AD - but this reference is from somewhere around 2300 BC, whereas Muslim scholars tend to place the 'Ad nation around 1ooo BC to 300 BC. (Which in case is impossible according to the Quran, because according to the Quran the 'Ad people was mentioned by Moses, and Moses lived around 1200 - 1300 BC (F.x. Exodus according to science took place around 1235 according to f.x. Encyclopedia Britannica.)) They in case lived in the desert area between Oman and Hyderamaut.

#132 7/65a: "- - - Hud - - -". This claimed Arab prophet is only known from Muhammad's words and claims. Some Muslim scholars want him to be the same person as Eber in the Bible (mentioned in 1. Mos. 10/24-25 and 1. Mos. 11/14-16). But for one thing the only thing said about Eber in the Bible, is that he once lived, and that he had at least 2 sons and at least 2 daughters - it is impossible to connect him to f.x. Hud from so little information, so this just is "unscience". For another thing Eber was the great grandson of Noah. Noah according to the Bible had 3 sons, and 3 sons do not in just 2-3 more generations become strong, populous and renowned tribes. This is such an obvious fact that this Muslim claim is not even nonsense.

As said his tribe may or may not have existed - we have not found them mentioned in reliable sources. Arab folklore as said placed them in the wide desert area between Oman and Hyderamaut, in the desert today named Al-Ahqaf, and tells that their capital was named Iram. (In Syria the name Iram is found written on a clay tablet. Muslims like to claim that this proves the Quran, but it only proves that somewhere there was a place named Iram - there f.x. were more than one place named Ur (Abraham's place of birth), and the same may have been the case for Iram. And in no case it proves the Quran and its story about Iram and its people, only that one (or more) place(s) with that name once existed. (And actually it proves the Jews in the area not the Quran (and perhaps the general Arab folklore), as it is reported that they had a saying something like this: "If you are too difficult to us, when Messiah comes, we will destroy you like 'Ad and Thamud and Iram were destroyed". Muhammad had his information - or "information" - in the Quran from such sources. (Most of the sources are known)).

133 7/65b: "- - - one of their (the 'Ad tribe's) own brothers - - -". A parallel to 7/59a above.

134 7/65c: "O my (Hud's*) people, worship Allah! Ye have no other god but Him". It is impossible know when Hud is claimed to have lived, but if we accepts the Quran's claim that he is from before Moses, he must have lived before 1300 BC - likely well before. The oldest traces science and the oldest traces Islam have been able to find from a book like the Quran, a god like Allah, and a religion like Islam all are younger than 610 AD - 2ooo years later. But of course you are free to believe this was said 2ooo years before Muhammad, if you are able to.

Besides: It is not much of a good idea to worship Allah unless he exists and in addition is a god.

135 7/65d: "Will ye (the 'Ad tribe*) not fear Allah?" One thing is that if the 'Ad tribe ever existed, it had to be well before Moses according to the Quran, which means 2ooo+ years before science and also Islam have found the very earliest traces from a god like Allah and a religion like Islam or a book similar to the Quran. Another thing is: Why do so when the reality behind the Quran and also the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, in practice prove that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

136 7/66: "We (the 'Ad tribe*) think you are a liar!" Another argument Muhammad had to meet, and also this a kind of parallel to 7/59a above - - - and also an accusation Jesus did not meet, except that some claimed he had to be from the dark forces, not from Yahweh. (Jesus and Yahweh according to the old books proved at least some of their words and people did not doubt that supernatural forces were involved.)

137 7/67: "- - - (Allah) the Lord and Cherisher of the Worlds (plural and wrong - see 26/16 below*)!" According to the Bible it is Yahweh who is this, not Allah.

138 7/68: "- - - my (the claimed prophet Hud's*) Lord's (Allah's*) mission". This mission does not exist unless Allah exists, and it also is of little consequence unless Allah in addition was something supernatural, white of black.

139 7/69a: "Do ye (the 'Ad people*) wonder that there hath come to you a message from your Lord (Allah*) through a man of your own people - - -". One of Muhammad's problems was that people were skeptical to that there could be an Arab prophet. Because of that it was essential for him to tell that prophets were sent to their own people - and thus that he himself was in a normal position for a normal prophet. In the Bible this point is not debated. On the contrary Abraham and Lot both were from Ur of the Chaldeans, but if they worked religiously, they mainly worked in and around Canaan, Joseph was from around Canaan but if he worked religiously, he worked i Egypt - and the same for his father and brothers at least for the late parts of their lives, Moses was from Egypt, but may have worked for 40 years in Medina, and Jonah was a Israelite, but worked in Nineveh - not to mention some of Jesus' disciples who were Jews but partly worked abroad.

Jesus did not meet this kind of a problem, because according to the old books he was able to prove his words and his power.

140 7/69b: "- - - the benefits (ye (the 'Ad people*) have received) from Allah - - -". Those benefits amounts to nothing unless Allah existed, and to little unless he in addition was something powerful, black or white.

141 7/70: "- - - the cult of our fathers - - -". Is that what the Muslims are practicing? - because there is not a single proof - not even a reliable indication - for that Allah really exists. But their fathers claim that because their fathers again and neighbors claimed and claim that the Quran must be true in spite of all errors, contradictions, etc. - and then it must be true?! If the Bible is reliable - and some points were difficult to make up and make contemporary people believe - there at least are a number of proofs for that something supernatural was involved.

142 7/71: "- - - authority from Allah - - -". Allah cannot give authority for anything to anybody unless he for one thing exists (for which there exists no proof), and for another that he in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved - and the Bible indirectly but very clearly says he is no god (only Yahweh is a god according to the Bible, so that if the Bible is reliable on this point Allah is no god).

143 7/72a: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Mercy". See 4/29b above.

144 7/72b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

145 7/73-79: Also the story about the Thamud people is not from the Bible, but from Arab folklore. They may have existed, but there is absolutely no indication for that their life in case was anything like described in the Quran. As for the claimed prophet Salih, also for him the only source mentioning him is Muhammad. The claimed prophet Salih does not exist any place outside Muhammad's words. You may believe he has ever existed if you want to.

The story is more or less a parallel to the story about 'Ad, except that it is more likely they have existed. A name similar enough to be understood as "Thamud" or at least thought to mean that people, is mentioned in the Sargon-inscription (715 BC), and the tribe also may be mentioned by Aristotle, Ptolemaios, and Plinius. They in case lived in north Arabia, in Hidjaz near the border of what is now Syria. But as said: It is highly unlikely their life or disappearance was like described in the Quran.

We may also add that it seems like the tribe originally was from south Arabia, but according to Muslim sources they moved further north and settled among the mountains there.

146 7/73a: "- - - one of their (the Thamud people's*) own brethren - - -". A parallel to 7/59a and 7/69a above.

147 7/73b: "Worship Allah - - -". A parallel to 7/65c above. According to Islam the Thamud tribe existed somewhat after the 'Ad tribe.

148 7/73c: "O my (Salih's*) people, worship Allah! Ye have no other god but Him". A parallel to 7/73a above.

149 7/73d: "- - - clear (Sign) - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

150 7/73e: "- - - the she-camel - - -". This she-camel which came out from a cliff and became a prophet, is from an Arab fairy tale, and is not mentioned in the Bible. There also is no other similar story in the Bible. Also see 7/73-79 above.

151 7/74a: "- - - the benefits (ye (the Thamud people*) have received) from Allah - - -". Those benefits amounts to nothing unless Allah existed, and to little unless he in addition was something powerful, black or white.

152 7/74b: "- - - refrain from evil and mischief on the earth". Please read Islamic military, political, slave, etc. history. Muslims have not obeyed Allah on this point.

153 7/74c: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

154 7/74-77: Note the fundamental similarities between this tale and Muhammad's situation up to the time when this surah was published in 621 AD - a "photocopy" of Muhammad's story. No doubt his situation was normal for real prophets, and no doubt he was such one?

155 7/78: "So the earthquake took them (the Thamud*) unawares - - -". Something is wrong: In 7/78 they are all killed by an earthquake (there never was an earthquake on this Earth killing everybody - except for in low quality high-rise buildings the death rate hardly ever exceeds some 10%). In 11/67 and 54/31 they were killed by a mighty blast - and there never are mighty blasts connected to earthquakes (there may be to volcanic eruptions, but earthquakes connected to some such eruptions never are strong enough to kill whole towns). And in 51/44 it is a stunning noise (from an earthquake) which kills them. But the translator has been dishonest here (honesty is not always the main thing in Islam, but to make the Quran look truthful): The words "from an earthquake" is not in the Arab original + that no earthquake kills even the majority of the people in a district - and high-rise buildings did not exist at that time. Some more contradictions. And finally in 69/5 Thamud is destroyed by a terrible storm(!)

Yes: Something is wrong.

"The Religion of the Truth".

€€€156 7/80-84: The story about Lot and Sodom/Gomorrah roughly is the same as in the Bible, but the details are different. From where did Muhammad get those new details?

157 7/80: "- - - he (Lot*) said to his people - - -". According to both the Bible and the Quran Lot was not from there. The Bible tells he was from Ur of the Chaldeans in what is now south Iraq. It also is very clear from both the Bible and the Quran that even though Lot seems to have been tolerated by the locals, he far from had been adopted or in other ways really accepted by them. Both according to the Bible and to the Quran the locals were not "his people". But Muhammad needed "proofs" for that prophets were sent to their own people - and thus that he himself was a real prophet among Arabs, and then it was wise to claim that the locals in Sodom and Gomorrah were "his (Lot's*) people".

158 7/83: "But we (Allah*) saved him (Lot*) and his family, except his wife: she was of those who lagged behind". For one thing Lot's god was Yahweh, not Allah according to the Bible, and for another thing the Bible does not say Lot's wife lagged behind, but that she looked behind, which they had been forbidden to do (1. Mos. 19/17+26).

159 7/84a: "And we (Allah*) rained down on them (Sodom and Gomorrah*) a shower (of brimstone)". According to the Bible Yahweh used burning sulfur (1. Mos. 19/24).

160 7/84b: "- - - sin and crime - - -". See 2/21b above.

161 7/85: "- - - a clear (Sign) from your Lord (Allah)!" See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

€€€162 7/85-93: Also the story about the Madyan people is not from the Bible, but from Arab folklore. They may have existed, but there is absolutely no indication for that their life or death in case was anything like described in the Quran. As for the claimed prophet Shu'ayb, also for him the only source mentioning him is Muhammad. (In 7/91 they were killed by an earthquake, in 11/94 and 29/36 they were killed by a mighty blast. No matter how strong an earthquake, there never are mighty blasts connected to it. At least one of these claims is wrong. (There may be blasts connected to volcanoes, but earthquakes connected to such, never are strong enough to kill of whole towns.)

The story is such a close parallel to the stories about 'Ad and about Thamud - and Muhammad - that we do not comment it more.

163 7/86: "- - - the path of Allah - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists and in addition is something supernatural - be careful if he belongs to the dark forces.

164 7/91: "But the earthquake took them (the people of Madyan*) unawares, and they lay prostrate in their homes before the morning". In 7/91 they were killed by an earthquake, in 11/94 and 29/36 they were killed by a mighty blast. No matter how strong an earthquake, there never are mighty blasts connected to it. At least one of these claims is wrong. (There may be blasts connected to volcanoes, but earthquakes connected to such, never are strong enough to kill off whole towns.)

Something is wrong.

"The Religion of Truth".

165 7/94-95: This is not from the Bible. The Israelites/Jews sometimes were punished for disbelief, but Yahweh did not use planned methods like this.

166 7/96a: "If the people of the towns had but believed and feared Allah - - -". Why do so when the reality behind the Quran and also the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, in praxis prove that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

167 7/96b: "- - - (the truth) - - -". See 2/26 above.

168 7/97: "- - - Our (Allah's*) wrath - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists, and is of little consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural, good or bad.

169 7/99: "- - - the Plan of Allah - - -". According to the Quran Allah predestines every detail which are to happen on the Earth and in Heaven long time on beforehand, and all his predestination he does according to his Plan - a plan nobody and nothing can change. Nowhere in the Bible will you find such an unchangeable plan mentioned. One more of the 100+% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

170 7/100a: "- - - if We (Allah*) so willed - - -". One of the many places in the Quran where Muhammad boasts about what his god could do "if he only willed". For some reason or other this claimed powerful god never wanted to. Boasting are cheap arguments. Also see 45/13a below.

171 7/100b: "- - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above.

172 7/100c: "- - - seal up their (sinners'*) hearts - - -". If Allah sealed up their hearts so that they lost the chance of becoming believers (some might have changed their minds, especially if Allah has sent reliable proofs for his existence and power). And in addition Allah had predestined every detail of what they were to do in this life. Was/is it then morally right for him to punish them all for not being believers)?

173 7/101a: "- - - clear (Signs*) - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

174 7/101b: "- - - seal up their (sinners'*) hearts - - -".See 7/100c above.

##175 7/101c: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) would not believe what they had rejected before". We quote Muhammad Asad "The Message of the Quran" (translated from Swedish): "This is because of the instinctive reluctance by most people to change their preset minds and meanings - positive or negative ones". He forgot(?) to mention that this also goes for Muslims - and Muslims also should remember that few are so religiously indoctrinated as Muslims, and thus their reluctance to correct wrong beliefs are stronger in than most other persons'.

176 7/103a: "- - - We (Allah*) sent Moses - - -". According to the Bible Moses' god was Yahweh, not Allah. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat more often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - we may even mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on not proved claims (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explain away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "A not proved claim can be dismissed without a proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

177 7/103b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

###178 7/103-141: Parts of the story of Moss and the pharaoh are relatively similar to the one in the Bible, other parts rather different, and in both cases many details are different. From where did Muhammad get the new details? Remember here that the Quran is so full of errors, contradictions, etc., that it is clear that the book is not from any god, and thus that Islam's standard, but never proved, answer "from Allah", is not correct.

179 7/104: "Moses said: 'O Pharaoh! I am a prophet of the Lord of the Worlds (plural and wrong - see 26/16 below*) - - -". According to the Bible Moses said: "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel says: 'Let my people go - - -'". Any comments necessary? (- except that what the Quran claims he said, is a copy of what Muhammad used to say.)

#180 7/105: "One (Moses*) for whom it is right to say nothing but the truth about Allah". For one thing according to the Bible Moses' god was Yahweh, not Allah. For another Moses - if he is not fiction - lived some 2ooo years before the first traces science is able to find and Islam is able to find from a book like the Quran, from a god like Allah, and from a religion like Islam. For another thing: What is the truth about Allah? - the realities around the Quran show it is something very different from what Muhammad claimed.

181 7/106: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

182 7/108: "- - - it (Moses' hand*) was white to all beholders!" According to other places in the Quran it was shiny white, whereas according to Bible it was white and "leprous like snow" (2. Mos. 4/6) - a small, but clear difference. What makes it a bigger difference, is that leprosy was a feared and incurable illness, and the ability to heal such an illness commanded respect and made great impression.

183 7/110: "His (Moses*) plan is to oust you (the pharaoh*) from your land - - -". There is nothing like this in the Bible, and the claim is very illogical for at least two reasons: For one thing both according to the Bible and to the Quran Moses* order was to get the Israelites away from Egypt - there was not a comma about any wishes of a conquest. And for another around 1235 BC when the Exodus may have happened according to science, Egypt was very strong, and even if the slaves who now wanted to leave - the Israelites - were many, they would be no match to strong armies and the power of the pharaoh (Pharaoh Ramses II during whose reign it may have happened - though there is a slight chance it was during his successor's (Merneptah's) reign - was one of the most powerful pharaohs ever. Words like this from the advisers during a debate between the mighty Pharaoh and the leader of a group of slaves, are highly unlikely - - - but perhaps believable for Muhammad's uneducated and naive followers.

184 7/113-114: We especially stress that these verses are not from the Bible. It takes a lot of naivety to believe a group of sorcerers made such demands to the mighty pharaoh, not to mention what it takes to be able to believe the powerful Ramses II gave an answer like the one given in the Quran here - such a reward just for duping a bunch of slaves?

185 7/117: "We (Allah*) put into Moses' mind by inspiration - - -". The word "inspiration" is never used in the Bible in occasions like this. But Muhammad claimed he got most of his claimed information from Allah by inspiration - a very convenient way, as it was impossible for anyone to check who or what inspired him in each case. To sound like a normal prophet, he also used to claim they received revelations by inspiration. But in the Bible this word is not mentioned one single time in such connections. When Yahweh wanted to tell his representatives or others something, he according to the Bible did so by means of direct speaking, dreams, or visions - see 4. Mos. 12/6 above.

An indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, it is likely the same kinds of contact had been used.

#####186 7/120-126: The story of the sorcerers who suddenly became believers in the god of Moses, is not from the Bible. (From where did Muhammad get it?) But the story has significance, because it shows that Muhammad knew miracles would make at least many persons believers, and thus that he knew that his own standard "explanation" for why Allah made no miracles to prove himself or to prove Muhammad's connection to a god (he claimed that miracles would make no-one believe anyhow), was not true. To be blunt: This is one of the points in the Quran which documents that Muhammad knew he was lying - even in the Quran - each time he used such "explanations"/excuses.

187 7/126: "- - - the Signs of our (the sorcerers*) Lord (their suddenly new god Allah*) - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below. And 7/120-126 just above.

188 7/127: "He (the pharaoh*) said (at the time of Exodus*): 'Their (the Israelites'*) male children will we slay, (only) their females will we save alive - - -". According to the Bible this was a decision made by an earlier pharaoh - at least 80 years earlier - and which was the reason why the baby Moses was set afloat on the Nile 80 years earlier (the Quran does not really specify why it happened - the quality of the Quran is not always superb, as it f.x. very often is vague on details, even central details.).

189 7/128a: Said Moses to his people: 'Pray for help from Allah - - - for the earth is Allah's - - -". No comment should be necessary for any knower of the Bible at least (in addition to that this is not said in the Bible). But we remind you that neither science nor Islam has found any traces of a book like the Quran, a god like Allah, or a religion like Islam older than 610 AD = nearly 2ooo years after Exodus, which according to f.x. Encyclopedia Britannica happened around 1235 BC (if it ever happened - there exists a proof for Israelites in Egypt around that time (an inscription) but not for Exodus - but neither proofs for that it did not happen).

190 7/128b: "Pray for help from Allah - - -". See 4/77a above.

191 7/128c: "- - - pray - - -". See 4/77a above.

192 7/128d: "- - - righteous - - -". See 2/21b above.

193 7/129: "- - - He (here intended to mean Allah*) may try you (the Israelites*) by your deeds". But why - why - did an omniscient, predestining god have to try anybody at all??

##194 7/130: "We (Allah*) punished the people of Pharaoh with years (of drought) and shortness of crops; that they might receive admonition". This is not from the Bible - nothing is said about drought and shortage of food around the time of the Exodus or shortly after in the Bible. Muhammad may have mixed this with what is told in the story of Joseph.

As far as we have been able to find out also history has no report about continually drought over several years around or shortly after 1235 BC when science tells the Exodus happened if it happened. And another point: The start of the Exodus from Egypt took weeks or a few months, not years, according to the Bible.

195 7/131: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

196 7/132-135: Roughly like in the Bible, but much better told there.

197 7/136: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 2/21b above.

198 7/137: "- - - We (Allah*) leveled to the ground the great works and the fine Buildings which Pharaoh and his people erected (with such pride)". This is not from the Bible. In addition science has proved this wrong - there are no traces of a national natural catastrophe or something similar in Egypt around or shortly after 1235 AD when Exodus according to science took place (religious people sometimes say ca. a century before, and Muslims even 2 - 3 centuries before in order to make it happen under pharaohs we do not know who died, so that they can claim the Bible/Quran were correct when they claimed the pharaoh drowned, but science is not in doubt: During the reign of Ramses II or perhaps under his successor Merneptah (just a few scientists vote for Merneptah)). A historical fact: The claim in this quoted sentence is wrong.

€€€199 7/138-140: Not from the Bible, except that the Israelites got out from Egypt and across some sea (it is normal here to say the Red Sea, but it is likely it was one of the big lakes a bit further north, and most likely the Timsah Sea, also named Yam Sup = the Sea of Reeds, south of the Bitter Seas in the area where the Suez Canal now runs).

200 7/138: "They (the Israelites*) said: 'O Moses! Fashion for us a god like unto the gods they (the Egyptians*) have". This is not said in the Bible - on the contrary until Moses disappeared for 40 days (and they addressed Aaron, not Moses).

201 7/140: "- - - it is Allah Who hath endowed you (the Israelites*) with gifts - - -". Well, according to the Bible the involved god was Yahweh, not Allah. And as for Allah it is a plain fact that he could give nobody anything unless he existed, and very little unless he in addition was something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Neither of which was ever proved - on the contrary: The circumstances around the making of the Quran and all its mistakes, strengthened by the fact that Allah never was able to manifest or prove himself, prove beyond any reasonable and most unreasonable doubts that he never existed, or at least was/is no god.

202 7/141. "- - - (the Egyptians*) who slew your (the Israelite's*) male children and save alive your females - - -". See 7/127 above.

203 7/143: "O my (Moses*) Lord (claimed to be Allah*)! Show (thyself) to me - - -". This is not from the Bible. This meeting is described in 1. Mos. 19/3-6 and 1. Mos. 20/21, and there is not one word about Moses asking for his people to see the god. (In 1. Mos. 19/11-12 Yahweh himself and on his own accord tells he will show himself to Israelites, but that is something different - - - and perhaps what Muhammad misunderstood this when he a couple of places in the Quran claims that the Israelites demanded that Moses should show them Yahweh to prove himself.)

€€€204 7/143-157: The story about the gold calf is very roughly like the one about it in the Bible, but most details are different. From where did Muhammad get these details? Also take a look at 7/155-157. This is Moses praying and Allah answering him. And what Allah answers Moses in 7/157 is unbelievable some 1850 years before Muhammad and the first traces of a religion like Islam and a god like Allah. And just for the record: According to the Bible, Moses' god was Yahweh, not Allah.

Another small(?) point: Islam likes to claim it is the oldest of all religions. But all sincere and serious scientists are unanimous: "Islam is the youngest of the world religions".

205 7/145: "And We (Allah*) ordained laws for him (Moses*) in the Tablets in all matters, both commanding and explaining all things - - -". According to the Bible Moses did not get the law + explanation of all things written on stone tablet. He only got the 10 Commandments that way. The law he was told and wrote down himself later (and called it "the Book of Covenance" - 2. Mos. 24/4+7).

It also is very obvious that the Quran is wrong here. If the laws plus the explanations - yes, even without the explanations - this had taken quite a number of stone tablets. Too heavy for one man even to lift - not to mention carry all the way down a mountain.

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

206 7/145: "- - - the wicked - - -". See 2/21b above.

207 7/146a: "- - - My (here meant Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

208 7/146b: "- - - right - - -". See 2/21b above - - -".

209 7/146c: "- - - right conduct - - -". See 2/21b above.

210 7/147a: "- - - My/Our (Allah's*) Signs - - - see 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

211 7/147b: "- - - reject - - the Meeting in the Hereafter (= the Day of Doom*) - - -". Also the followers of Yahweh believe in a Day of Doom, and should thus be in the green on this point.

212 7/147c: "- - - can they (non-Muslims/sinners*) expect to be rewarded except as they have wrought?" Muhammad told that mainly your road to Paradise was dependant on your deeds, included being good warriors, etc. Jesus told the road there depended on your deeds and on honest regret and prayers for forgiving for wrong deeds. (Oh, also the Quran talks about forgiving, etc., but it is a much more fundamental part of especially NT compared to the Quran, and especially to the weightiest part of it, the surahs from Medina. Yet another indication for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god, not to mention how strong a proof it is for that Jesus and Muhammad very far from belonged to the same religion.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

213 7/148: "- - - it (the golden calf*) seemed to low - - -". This is not from the Bible - but it is nice drama. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

214 7/149: "When they (the Israelites*) repented - - -". According to the Bible, they did not repent until well after Moses was back and had reacted very strongly to what they had done (2. Mos. 32/15-35).

215 7/150a: "He (Moses*) put down the Tablets - - -". According to the Bible he threw then down in anger and broke them, and later had to get 2 new ones (2. Mos. 32/19 + 34/1-4).

216 7/150b: "- - - (the people*) went near to slaying me (Aaron*)!" According to the Bible (2. Mos. 32/1-5) simply went along with the plan of making the golden calf. But in the Quran Aaron was a prophet (he is not reckoned among the prophets in the Bible), and Islamic prophets cannot do really bad things.

217 7/151a: "- - - Moses prayed (here meant to be to Allah*) - - -". Forgetting the fact that according to the Bible the god of Moses was Yahweh, not Allah, and the fact that neither science nor Islam has found even a single trace from a god like Allah or a religion like Islam older than 610 AD - nearly 2ooo years later - see 4/77a above.

218 7/151b: "- - - thy (here claimed to be Allah*) Mercy! For Thou art the Most Merciful - - -". Please read the surahs from Medina and see how much real mercy you find even in this world, especially towards non-Muslims. Another point is that according to the Bible, and especially according to NT, Yahweh by far is more merciful than Allah, especially like you meet Allah in the Quran, and especially like you meet him in the surahs from Medina - the youngest, and thus the more central surahs according to Islam's rules for abrogation.

219 7/152a: "- - - the wrath from their (the Israelites'*) Lord (here meant to be Allah*) - - -". But Allah's wrath does not exist unless Allah exists, and is of little consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural, good or bad.

220 7/152b: "- - - We (here meant to mean Allah*) recompense - - -". Allah can recompense nothing unless he exists, and little unless he in addition is something supernatural - be in case careful with accepting his recompense if he belongs to the dark forces.

221 7/153a: "- - - do wrong - - -". See 2/21b above.

222 7/153b: "- - - (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". These - and similar - are claims you frequently meet in the Quran. But the fact is that Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a major god - which the Bible indirectly but clearly denies, and the facts behind the Quran + the fact that Allah never has manifested or proved himself any time, anywhere outside or inside the Quran, proves beyond any reasonable and most unreasonable doubts that he is not. And as for being merciful; please read the surahs from Medina and see how merciful he really is - - - if he exists. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran. And mercy? Please read the surahs from Medina and see how much real mercy you find even in this world, especially towards non-Muslims.

The superlatives at the same time are some - here 2 - of Allah's claimed 99 names.

One extra point: According to the Bible, and especially to NT, Yahweh is a lot more both forgiving and merciful than the reality you find about Allah, especially as you find him in the surahs from Medina - the most correct ones according to Islam's rules for abrogation.

223 7/154: "When the anger of Moses was appeased, he took up the Tablets - - -". See 7/150a above.

224 7/155: "And Moses chose seventy of his people - - -". The Bible tells the story differently - and harsher (2. Mos. 32/27-28).

225 7/155-157: This is a prayer Moses starts in 7/155 and finishes in 7/156. Straight on Allah ("He"*) answers and in the middle of an unfinished sentence Allah continues his answer into and through 7/157 with some strange pieces of information to Moses. Please read the verses yourself.

Many Muslims here claim that verse 7/157 does not belong to Allah's answer. The Quran is so helter-skelter constructed - not good literature on that point, too - that there is a chance they are right. But what we just pointed to, really is what the book says.

226 Verses 7/157a through 7/157h are very central for "what was Muhammad really?"

#####227 7/157aa: (Allah says to Moses:) "Those who follow the Messenger (Muhammad*), the unlettered Prophet (another name for Muhammad), whom they (Jews and Christians*) find mentioned in their own scriptures - in the Law (= the 5 Books of Moses in OT*) and the Gospel (= the 4 first "books" in NT*) - - -". This is one of the big problems for Islam, because Muhammad is nowhere mentioned in the entire Bible. But as the Quran here says he is mentioned there, they HAVE to find him - if not the Quran is wrong also on such a central point (central because Islam has not a comma of proof for any of the central points in the Quran, and definitely not for that Muhammad represented a god, and thus a foretelling about him in the Bible had been such a good argument). Therefore they cherry-pick and twist and quote far out of context a few words in the Bible, and claim they have found Muhammad hidden there. Any knower of the Bible sees the dishonesty and wishful al-Taqiyya (lawful lie), but very few Muslims know the Bible, and a large percent honestly believe the cheating.

It is too much to repeat all of it here, but see the chapter "Muhammad in the Bible?" in http://www.1000mistakes.com . Honesty is not always the main thing for Islam or for its scholars - it is easy to see that the claims about Muhammad in the Bible those places "do not hold water".

228 7/157a: "- - - the Messenger - - -" ("- - - Apostle - - -" - see 7/157d below, and "Prophet 7/157e below). The word "messenger" is not used as a title anywhere in the Bible, this even though Islam claims it is a higher title than "prophet" - the title used except some places in the oldest parts of the Bible where "seer" is used instead. (In reality it is the other way around: "Prophet" is a clear and heavy-weight title, whereas a messenger just is a messenger-boy bringing messages for someone from here to there - he does not even need to understand what the messages mean. Perhaps the reason for why Muhammad often used "Messenger" instead of "Prophet", was a feeling of unease towards the title "Prophet", as he obviously was no prophet (he was unable to make prophesies, and who is a prophet if he/she is unable to make prophesies? - we may add that some Muslims claim that Muhammad made prophesies, but these are made up stories or wishful thinking, as both the Quran and f.x. Aishah in Hadiths are very clear on that Muhammad "was unable to see the unseen" and thus "unable to foresee the future"), and that this title might cause questions as he was unable to make prophesies.

We also may add that the title for "prophet" among the Israelites originally was a "seer" - one who was able to "see the unseen" (what was hidden or what had not yet happened) - according to the Bible (f.x. 1. Sam. 9/9 - it is mentioned some 15 - 20 times in OT). And as said Muhammad both according to himself in the Quran and Aishah in Hadiths confirm that Muhammad was unable "to see the unseen". Muslims often try to explain that a messenger is something more than a prophet - to give Muhammad more weight. But a prophet is a heavy and respected title which tells a lot. Whereas a messenger as said just is a messenger boy bringing messages he does not even have to understand or know himself, from one place to another. (It is likely that Islam's "upgrading" of the title "Messenger" is caused by a wish to "upgrade" Muhammad.)

Was Muhammad all the same a messenger? Perhaps so - but in case for whom? Two things are sure: As there is no god - no Allah - behind the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc., Muhammad is not the messenger of a god. And if there had been a god involved, the big and deep differences between the religion, the moral, ethical, and judicial codes, etc. in the Bible (and especially NT) and the Quran, it is clear that the old Jewish/Christian god Yahweh is not involved - in spite of Muhammad's never proved claims that Yahweh just was another name for Allah - the differences between Yahweh and Allah are far too big and too deep for that to be possible. Then remain the possibilities that if Muhammad was a messenger, it either was for dark forces, for one or more human(s) - f.x. for Muhammad himself - or for a combination of these two. Or may be a mental illness was involved - modern medical science suspects he had TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - a mental disease which can give just the kind of fits and of religious illusions Muhammad is said to have had. 

Also note how often Muhammad as mentioned used the title "Messenger" instead of "Prophet", this even though a messenger - a messenger-boy - very far from can be compared to the heavy and loaded with meaning title "Prophet". (NB: To promote Muhammad Muslims will give you lofty words about how much more a messenger is than a prophet - use your own brain when you evaluate such claims.) Can the reason be that he himself as mentioned felt uncomfortable or feared too many questions if he too often used a title he obviously did not live up to, as he was unable to make prophesies, and thus not really was a prophet? (Oh, we know some persons like that title, and that there have been made different definitions for what is a prophet, but no person is a real prophet unless he/she is able to make prophesies - if they are unable to do that, they at best are messengers.)

Islam also tells that the Quran claims (wrongly) that Muhammad is foretold in the Bible/Scriptures (f.x. in 3/81 and 7/157). The fact that this is said in the Quran, is the reason why Muslims cannot afford to admit that Muhammad is not mentioned in that book at all, and the reason why they cherry-pick and twists and quotes our of contexts to be able to arrive at claimed conclusions which may indicate that Muhammad may have been meant. Muslims too often do not look for the truth, but for - by honest or dishonest means - trying to prove that the Quran, or points in it, is/are true. (Such a foretelling also would be very valuable to Islam, as there exist no valid proofs neither for Allah nor for Muhammad's connection to a god. A foretelling might not be a proof, but at least an indication, and Islam has absolutely nothing except the words from a not very reliable man with a doubtful morality.

We may also here mention an expression very often used in the Quran: "- - - Allah and his Messenger - - -". This is Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power - his claimed god. This in spite of that no omniscient god would send a messenger preaching so many wrong facts, other mistakes, contradictions, etc.

Also note that even though Muhammad claimed there had been lots and lots of messengers/prophets through the times, and that a similar book had been sent to all of them, he/the Quran in more than 90% of the cases mentions or means just one of them, Muhammad himself. Very nice for Muhammad, a questionable and depressing fact for all the other claimed prophets/messengers.

One more point: No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative and prophet/messenger a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad, so often and so brutally and inhumanly breaking the golden rule of "do against others like you want others do against you" like Muhammad did - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

A final impertinent, but pertinent question: If Muhammad really was a messenger, then from whom? All the mistaken facts and other mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, helplessly/unclearly expressed meanings (even according to Islam/Muslims, who literally hundreds of times have to "explain" that Allah is stumbling when he tries to tell his thoughts and meanings, and that he does not mean what he says, but something else which helpful and clever humans help him to explain or express correctly). Yes, the really omniscient god.

And also remember; "what is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". And: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

A Ps.: "Allah and His Messenger (= Muhammad*)" was a mantra and slogan Muhammad used for gluing himself to his platform of power - his god - and thus gain semi-divine power, and to secure this power. At least false prophets often use their god(s) like this.

229 7/157b: "- - - the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet (Muhammad claimed he did not know how to read and write - many scientists doubt this, but say that it was an argument trying to "prove" that he was unable to make up the Quran - but it is the brain which makes up things, not the pencil - - -".

######230 7/157c: "- - - the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet (Muhammad*), whom they (Jews and Christians*) find mentioned in their own (Scriptures) - in the Law (here = the Torah/Books of Moses*) and the Gospel - - -". This sentence is a main reason, or perhaps more correct the main reason for why Muslims and Islam HAVE to find Muhammad mentioned in the Bible, no matter what cherry-picking, al-Taqiyyas (lawful lies), Kitmans (lawful half-truths), twisting of words and texts they have to use to make it look like he is mentioned there: If he is not there, then the Quran is flagrantly wrong about such central points as Muhammad, the Torah and the Gospels. It is much better and easier to use twisted facts and dishonesty, than to face such a probability, not to mention such fact.

See much more about this in the comments to this verse in the book "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran - - - http://www.1000mistakes.com or in 7/157a+b above.

To sum up some essential points:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

231 7/157d: "- - - Apostle - - -". This title is not used in this verse, but we include it here so as to have the 3 main titles Muhammad used in religious connection together: "Messenger" - the weakest - in 7/157a-c just above, and "Prophet" - the strongest in 7/157e just below.

The word "Apostle" does not only mean a person who shall bring a message - this is "a messenger" - but one - a depute - who is sent on a special mission, and has authority - included authoritative knowledge on the message and mission - on behalf of the sender (in the Bible Yahweh*), and who is responsible for his words, deeds, and orders concerning his mission and its topic only to his sender (in the Bible Yahweh).

In the Bible there is a marked tendency to call Jesus' 12 closest co-workers "disciples" until they received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, and "apostles" afterwards. The receiving of the Holy Spirit was the transfer from Yahweh to them of the new authority (and quite likely something more, as there is a marked difference in them afterwards if one judge from NT). In the Bible the title also is used for a number of others in addition to the original 11 (Judas Iscariot did not receive the Holy Spirit for understandable reasons) - persons of special standing, f.x. Paul who received his authority during and after his famous meeting outside Damascus. Also later the church infrequently has used the title on very special religious leaders/workers - like f.x. "the Apostle of China" (Hudson Tylor), "the Nordic Apostle" (Ansgar), "the Apostle of Greenland" (Hans Egede).

Also Muhammad sometimes used the title "apostle", but without giving it a special meaning. It may look like he did not know the inner meaning of the word, but knew it was a significant title and then sometimes used it - like he used the title "prophet" even if he had not a prophet's power (of making prophesies and sometimes of making miracles).

Interesting here also is that the title "apostle" carries the meaning Muslims try to claim is included in the title "Messenger". The title "messenger" is the title most often used by Muhammad, perhaps - perhaps - because he himself was uncomfortable with using the title "prophet" as he knew the difference between himself and the slightly supernatural power of being able "to see the unseen" the real prophets of the old had, and did not want to provoke difficult questions or comments, and there may have been similar reasons for that he not often used the title "apostle". The more noncommittal title "messenger" was more modest and less provocative - and less likely to provoke the difficult comments and questions as mentioned.

The really interesting point here is that there do exist a title - "apostle" - carrying the meaning Muslims want to transform/enlarge the meaning of the word "messenger" into. But if the Quran had been from a god, any god had known the meaning of the title "apostle" and used that title for Muhammad, if that was what the god had empowered Muhammad to be, instead of just calling him a messenger boy. Thus even if we had accepted the Quran as "bona fide", Allah either was/is not sapient enough and good enough at finding the right words, or Muhammad just was a messenger - a messenger boy.

But like so many, many places in the Quran, Muslims indirectly and silently declare that Allah was very helpless at expressing himself and frequently did not mean what he really said - in spite of the Quran's clear statements of the opposite - so that the intelligent ordinary humans have to explain what he "really" meant. Once more: In spite of the Quran's words that if nothing else is indicated, it is the literal meaning which is the correct one, and that "only those sick at heart" search for the hidden meaning other places in the Quran's texts - hidden meanings which "are only for Allah to understand".

Informative about Muslims underlying view on the reliability of the Quran's texts, and about their belief in Allah's ability to express himself clearly and impossible to misunderstand - his omniscience.

#232 7/157e: "- - - Prophet - - -". But was Muhammad really a prophet? This is one of the central points concerning Muhammad himself: He could not see what is hidden - "the unseen" (f.x. 6/60a above). Which means he was unable to make prophesies - the original title of a prophet was just this, "a seer", - one who was able to see the unseen, the hidden (f.x. 1. Sam. 9/9), and the word itself comes from Greek "profetes" = "one who foretells". Muhammad was no real prophet. The definition of a prophet was a person who could see at least parts of the unseen, and thus a person who:

Has the gift of and close enough connection to a god for making prophesies.

Makes prophesies which always or at least mostly come true.

Makes so frequent and/or essential prophesies, that it is a clear part of his mission.

A few things Muhammad said, came nearly true – like it has to do for any person saying many things through many years – and most of what he said which did not come true, was forgotten (also this is what normally happens if it is nothing spectacular). But he did not guess the future correctly often - actually he statistically and according to the laws of probability should have "hit the mark" far more often by sheer chance than he did - there just are a few cases where Muslims will claim he foretold something correctly, and few if any of them are "perfect hits". But then the Quran makes it pretty clear that even though he was intelligent, he had little fantasy, and that he also was nearly unable to make innovative thinking (nearly all his tales and his ideas in reality were "borrowed" ones - though often twisted to fit his new religion).

The main things here are that Muhammad never indicated that anything of what he said was meant as prophesies, that he never indicated, not to mention claimed, that he had the gift of prophesying - of "seeing the unseen" - (see 6/50b above), that it nowhere is documented that all/most of what he said about the future came true (point 2 above), and finally that both he and Islam said and says that Muhammad was unable to see the unseen (extra revealing here is that the old Biblical title for a prophet as mentioned was "a seer" - one who saw the unseen (f.x. 1. Sam. 9/9)) and also that Islam even today admits there were no miracles connected to Muhammad “except the Quran” (prophesying is a kind of miracle - seeing what has not yet happened or what is hidden (see 6/50b above)). (This fact that Islam admits there were no miracles connected to Muhammad "except the revelation of the Quran" also is a solid proof for that all the miracles connected to Muhammad mentioned in the Hadiths, are made up stories - but all the same many a mullah and imam and scholar use these stories, which Islam admits are made up ones, as "proofs" for that Muhammad had supernatural powers and was a prophet - we have med such claims ourselves f.x. in Turkey. Honesty is not the strong side of Muslim religious leaders.) Also see 30/40a and 30/46a, and we also should add that his favorite wife (and infamous child wife) Aishah according to Hadiths (f.x. Al-Bukhari) stated that anyone saying Muhammad could foresee things, were wrong.

Verse 7/188b also is very relevant here: "If I (Muhammad*) had knowledge of the Unseen (= what is hidden or what has not happened yet*), I should have - - -". IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT MUHAMMAD DID NOT HAVE THE PROPHETS' ABILITY TO SEE "THE UNSEEN" or "THE HIDDEN" - he was no real prophet. Similar in 6/50a, 7/188b, 10/20c+d, 10/49a+b, and 72/26. 

As mentioned: Also relevant here is that the original title of the Jewish prophets as mentioned was not "prophet" but "seer" - one who saw at least parts of the unseen. (F.x. 1. Sam. 9/9#, 1. Sam. 9/11, 1. Sam. 9/18, 1. Sam. 9/19, 2. Kings. 17/13, 1. Chr. 9/22, 1. Chr. 26/28, 1. Chr. 29/29, 2. Chr. 9/29, 2. Chr. 16/7, 2. Chr.16/10, 2. Chr. 19/2, 2. Chr. 29/25, Amos 7/12, Mic. 3/7 - some places the two titles even are used side by side). Muhammad thus so definitely was no seer - prophet - even according to his own words; he had no "knowledge of the unseen" (f.x. 7/188a and indirectly 11/31a. One more proof for that he was not in the same line - not even the same league - as Jesus, if the Bible and/or the Quran tell the truth about Jesus on this point.

Many liked - and like - the title prophet, and there have been made other definitions for this title - the most common of these are "one who brings messages from a god", or "one who represents a god", or "one who acts/talks on behalf of a god". But the fact remains: Without being able to prophesy, he or she is no real prophet. A messenger for someone or something - ok. An apostle - ok. But not a real prophet. A football player is not a football player no matter how good he is at running, if he does not play football.

***This is a fact no Muslim will admit: Muhammad in reality simply was no real prophet or seer. Perhaps a messenger for someone or something or for himself – or perhaps an apostle – but not a real prophet. He only “borrowed” this impressive and imposing title. It is up to anyone to guess why.

It also is remarkable that Muhammad relatively seldom used the title "prophet" about himself in the Quran. He mostly used the title "Messenger", even though messenger in reality means an errand-boy (Muslims try to make this title something big and imposing, but this is the meaning of it). "Prophet" on the other hand is a heavy and impressive title telling a lot about the person. May the reason for why he did not use it so often, be that he knew he did not have what it took to merit that title, and was a little careful using it, so as not to provoke questions or comments? (And is this also the reason why Muslims try to pretend that "messenger" is something more impressive and heavy than "prophet"?)

According to both the Bible and the Quran Jesus was a prophet. According to the Quran Jesus is one of the big prophets, and the one who should come back on the Day of Doom (Jesus, not Muhammad) - even though to symbolize Muhammad's claimed superiority over his greatest competitor, the Quran places Jesus only in the 2. heaven and far below half-great prophets, compared to Muhammad's claimed destination, the 7. heaven. According to NT Jesus is even more than a prophet.

233 7/157f: "- - - just - - - lawful - - -". Compare the sharia laws to similar laws in normal, modern cultures, and compare it to "do against others like you want others do against you" to quote Jesus, and see how much is just and how much is unjust in those laws. What is for sure is that Jesus and Muhammad neither belonged to the same religion or believed or in or lived according to the same moral codes.

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

234 7/157g: "- - - evil - - - good - - - bad - - -". See 2/21b above.

###235 7/157h: "- - - the Light (Islam/the Quran*) which is sent down with him (Muhammad*) - - -". How much light is there in a book preaching an apartheid, dishonesty (acceptance of lies, stealing/looting, extortion), slave taking, hate and war religion, and a book so full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. that no god has been involved in it? (No omniscient god makes mistakes, etc.) We will not claim the Bible is 100% true about everything, but if it has referred Jesus' teaching reasonably correct, there is a lot more "light" there, included morally.

Also see 2/176b above.

#236 7/158a: "I (Muhammad*) am sent to you (people*) - - -". Was Muhammad really sent? - or was he like so very many self proclaimed prophets working for himself - perhaps believing some of what he said (remember his likely - according to modern medical science - TLE, Temporal Lobe Epilepsy)? There have been thousands of self proclaimed "prophets" through the times - trying to get prestige, respect, and often power and riches and sometimes women, many women - - - like Muhammad sought.

Three things are sure: No omniscient god ever used a messenger or prophet telling so much which was wrong like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent omniscient god ever used a robber baron living from stealing, enslaving, extorting, and killing, like Muhammad did in Medina - and it was there his new religion finally caught hold, after it started to pay to be a Muslim. And not least: No god running a "religion of truth" could use a representative accepting and sometimes even promoting the use of dishonesty - al Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth) - both founded on his words and similar not found in any other of the big religions - deception/betrayal, and even breaking of words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

237 7/158b: "- - - the Messenger of Allah - - - Allah and His Messenger - - -". See 7/157a-c - and for that case the rest of the comments under 7/157 above. Both are variations over Muhammad's standard mantra to glue himself to his platform of power, his god.

238 7/158c: "- - - Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". According to the Bible this all belongs to Yahweh, not to Allah.

239 7/158d: "- - - there is no god but He (Allah*) - - -". According to the Bible there is no god but Yahweh. Allah is not even mentioned in the Bible, except perhaps as one among the many false gods. Similar goes for Muhammad: He is nowhere - and in spite of Muhammad's and Islam's claims - mentioned in the Bible, except perhaps as one of the very many false prophets expected also in the future.

240 7/158e: "- - - it is He (Allah*) that giveth both life and death". There is no doubt at least Allah's followers could give death - through the centuries at least a few hundred millions killed/murdered. But Allah never has proved his power to give life, or for that case any other kind of power. Lots and lots of claims, but never a proved case - not one in 1400+ years.

241 7/158f: "- - - Allah and His Messenger - - -". Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his god and platform of power.

242 7/158g: "- - - the unlettered Prophet (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157e above.

#243 7/158h: "- - - Allah and His Words - - -". As the Quran with all its errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and even a few(?) lies is not from a god, then whose words are the book really? There only are 3 alternatives:

1): The dark forces. (A number of immoral and inhuman points in the Quran may indicate this.)

2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Modern medical science suspects this.

3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's. All the mistakes in the Quran believed to be correct science at the time of Muhammad, plus f.x. the fact that all material in the book is from Arabia and neighboring area, strongly indicates this - perhaps combined with alternative 2. And also all the times Allah(?) helped Muhammad with f.x. family problems, indicates the same.

For a comparison: As for the Bible there is a chance for that there is a god behind it - f.x. all the witnesses to what happened to and around Jesus are difficult to explain away. And also his disciples and f.x. Paul and Luke could not twist or make up too much about him later, because too many knew what had really happened, so that the only thing they would gain from too much fantasy, would be to lose credibility. Also the first martyrs - people who had firsthand knowledge to what really had happened - are difficult to explain away.

244 7/158i: "- - - guided". It is not possible to get reliable guidance from a book as full of errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. - and thus also clearly from no god - as the Quran.

245 7/159a: "Of the people of Moses (the Jews*) there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth (the teaching of Muhammad*)". Some Israelites converted to Islam - but did that mean that they lived in the light of truth, when Muhammad's teaching/the Quran means little spiritual or moral light, and with all its errors and obviously not from any god, even less reliable truth?

246 7/159b: "- - - the truth". See 2/26 above.

247 7/160a: "We (Allah*) divided them (the Israelites*) into twelve Tribes - - -". According to the Bible this is not correct - and it did not happen at the time of Moses. According to the Bible the 12 tribes derived naturally one from each of Jacob's 12 sons, and each was named after one of those sons. This was a thing which happened now and the in the old times, so it may well be the truth. This splitting in 12 tribes in case started some 400-430 years before Exodus and Moses.

248 7/160b: "We (Allah*) directed Moses by inspiration - - -". One thing is that according to the Bible the god of Moses was Yahweh, not Allah. More noteworthy just here is the word "inspiration". See 7/117 above.

249 7/160c: "- - - out of it (the rocks Moses struck on*) there gushed forth twelve springs - - -". It seems that Muhammad here has mixed together two incidents in the Bible. In 2. Mos. 15/27 the Bible tells that in the Desert of Shur, when the Israelites came to a place named Elim, there were twelve springs. (Elim is likely to be Wadi Ghurundel, some 58 miles (some 94 km) north of the northern end of the Red Sea). Later when they had crossed the desert of Sin (or Zin), they came to a place named Rephidim between Sin and Sinai. Here it was that Moses struck the rock to get water according to the Bible, but the Bible only tells there came water, and not one word about more than one spring. It is likely Muhammad mixed together these two incidents. No god had done so.

250 7/160d: "Eat of the good things We (Allah*) have provided for you (the Israelites*)". According to the Bible it was provided by Yahweh, not by Allah.

251 7/161a: "And remember it was said to them (the Israelites*): 'Dwell in this town and eat therein as ye wish, but say the word of humility and enter the gate in a posture of humility - - -". For one thing the Quran never mention which town this was - the Quran often is short on relevant and sometimes even essential details. For another the Israelites were so many that no town had been big enough serve food to even only a fraction of them. And for the third nothing like this is mentioned in the Bible.

252 7/161b: "- - - forgive - - -". See 7/153b above.

253 7/162a: "But the transgressors among them (Moses' Israelites*) changed the word from that which had been given them - - -". Muhammad’s only possible way to explain away the differences between what he claimed the Bible said (he often quoted legends, folklore, etc. believing it was from the Bible), and what the Bible really said and says, was to claim that the Bible was falsified. And then it is a good idea to "show" that falsifying was tradition among the Israelites - so the easy claim here was that they had falsified Moses' or Yahweh's words. The reality if the Bible tells the truth, is that Moses was gone for so long time that they lost heart and wanted a god they knew after centuries in Egypt: The great Egyptian god Ptah, represented by one of his symbols, the calf (connected to Ptah, via the holy ox Apis). They did not falsify Moses' words - they simply disobeyed them, which is not the same.

254 7/162b: "- - - transgressors - - -". See 2/21b above.

255 7/163a: The town by the sea and the fish holding up their heads: The town is unknown also to Islam, and the story is not from the Bible. Also: Have you ever met a kind of fish able to hold their heads above the water? - marine mammals are able to do so, but not fish (not when swimming). Muhammad was a desert dweller and likely did not know this.

256 7/163b: "- - - transgressed - - -". See 2/21b above.

257 7/164a: "- - - a people whom Allah will destroy - - -". Allah can destroy nobody unless he exists, and he hardly can destroy an entire people unless he is something supernatural, black or white.

258 7/164b: "- - - our (people's*) duty to your Lord (Allah*) - - -". Nobody has a duty to a god unless the god exists - and unless he is a real god. But according to old tales it is easy to rake up a debt and thus a duty to the dark forces.

259 7/164c: "- - - fear Him (Allah*)". Why do so when the reality behind the Quran and also the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, in practice prove that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

260 7/165a: "- - - rescued - - - punishment - - -". Allah can do nothing of this unless he exists - and not much unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black.

261 7/165b: "- - - evil - - - wrongdoers - - - transgression." See 2/21b above.

263 7/166b: "We (Allah*) said to them: 'Be ye (some bad Jews somewhere*) apes, despised and rejected". This tale is not from the Bible, but from an old Arab fairy tale/legend: Some Jews somewhere behaved so badly that the god transformed them to apes (some places say apes and pigs). Muslims will have to bring strong profs if they want us to believe this point. (We may add that some Muslims try to explain this story away with that it is figuratively meant - but the Quran itself several places stresses that its texts are to be understood literally if nothing else is indicated, and that to look for hidden meanings "are for those sick of heart".)

264 7/167a: "Thy (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) is quick in retribution - - -". Impossible unless he exists, and of little consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural - be especially aware if he belongs to the dark forces.

#265 7/167b: "- - - (Allah is*) Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful". Compare Muhammad's teaching in Medina, included moral codes, behavior towards non-Muslims, rules for behavior in war, and for dishonesty/looting, raping, slave-taking, etc., etc. - compare this to the teaching of Jesus, and see if Yahweh may be Even More Merciful than a god of discrimination, apartheid, rape, hate and war. (Actually anybody with some education and able to think himself, who are able to read the Quran's/Allah's moral, ethical, and judicial codes, and then with a straight face declare that Allah is the Most Merciful one, deserves an Oscar.)

Just to mention it: The Quran tells Allah has 99 names, and these are some of them, the names generally are descriptions in superlative - Most Kind, Most Merciful, Most High, Most Kind, Most Gracious, etc., but also names like f.x. Oft-Forgiving, etc.

Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the cheap, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve? And if it is correct that Allah just is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by the Quran and Islamic compulsion - what thoughts do you then make yourself about the Quran and Islam?

266 7/168a: "- - - righteous - - - the opposite (of righteous*) - - -". See 2/21b above.

267 7/168b: "We (Allah*) have tried them (non-Muslims*) - - -". But if he knows everything like the Quran states many places, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and he thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests, because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor 3started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

268 7/169a: It seems the Quran here still is speaking about the Jews, and just for the record: The Jews' god - when they did not go astray and follow pagan gods - was Yahweh, never Allah. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Stratagem to avoid or circumvent legal principles or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choises, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campaigned of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguise. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation" Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case.. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

Just to mention it: The Quran tells Allah has 99 names, and these are some of them. The names generally are descriptions in superlative - Most Kind, Most Merciful, Most High, Most Kind, Most Gracious, etc., but also names like f.x. Oft Forgiving, etc.

Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the cheap, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve?)

269 7/169b: "- - - but they (Jews and Christians*) chose (for themselves (in spite of Allah's claimed total predestination and unchangeable Plan*)) the vanities of this world - - -". One of Muhammad's standard "explanations" for why Jews and Christians did not believe in his new religion. The real reason for most of them was that they saw things were very wrong in Muhammad's teaching, included what he claimed the Bible said (Muhammad took his "Biblical" stuff from apocryphal stories, folklore, legends, and even fairy tales, and these far from always were correct).

270 7/169c: "- - - the Covenant of the Book (here the Bible*) - - -". This one said exactly nothing about Allah. A lot about Yahweh, but not one word about neither Allah not Muhammad.

271 7/169d: "- - - the truth". See 2/26 above.

272 7/169e: "- - - the righteous - - -". See 2/21b above.

#####273 7/170a: "As to those who hold fast by the Book (here the Bible*) and establish regular Prayer - never shall We (Allah*) suffer the righteous to perish". What here is said, is that the ones really believing in the Bible, living according to it, and pray, will not be forgotten by the god. In clear speech: There is a chance also for Jews and Christians (and Sabeans) to reach Paradise. (But remember that this surah was written in Mecca in 621 AD, when Muhammad still tried to and hoped to include the Jews and the Christians under his leadership, and before he had discovered how big the differences were between the Biblical legends and fairy tales he often used in his new religion, and what the Bible really said, so that he had to start claiming the Bible was falsified and far from the correct teaching. This he did not learn until after he came to Medina in 622 AD, as there were very few Jews in Mecca where he lived until then.)

Thus the reality most likely is that this verse is one of the many ones abrogated - made invalid - by harsh verses from during the some 10 years in Medina.

As for prayers: Also see 11/87a below.

274 7/170b: "- - - regular prayers - - -". See 4/77a above.

275 7/170c: "- - - righteous - - -". See 2/21b above.

276 7/170d: "- - - never shall We (Allah*) suffer the reward of the righteous to perish". Allah can neither reward nor punish anyone unless he exists. The old and unavoidable fact.

##277 7/171a: THIS IS A STRONG ONE: "When We (Allah*) shook the Mount (Mt. Sinai*) over them (the Israelites*), as if it had been a canopy(!!!*), and they thought it was going to fall on them - - -". In plain words: Allah lifted the Mount Sinai and held it over the Israelites like a roof or canopy - but a roof not resting on anything, so that it could fall down on them (!!!!).

Muslims evade talking about verses like this, and if they are forced to debate it, they f.x. claim that the Quran here perhaps is talking about an earthquake shaking the tall mountain. But try to make what here is told, fit an earthquake!!

This story is not from the Bible - not this and nothing similar.

Islam will have to produce(!?) strong proofs to make us believe it.

No more comments should be required.

278 7/171b: "- - - what We (Allah*) have given you (Muslims*) - - -". There is not one proved case on this side of Adam or anywhere in the entire world of Allah giving anybody anything - lots of claims, but not one proved case.

279 7/171c: "- - - fear Allah". Why do so when the reality behind the Quran and also the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, except in the mouth of Muhammad, in practice prove that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

280 7/172: "Am I (Allah*) not your (people's*) Lord (Allah*) (who cherishes and sustains you)?" According to the Bible, this is Yahweh's domain, not Allah's. Allah also cannot do it unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad (also a devil can do good things - for a price).

###281 7/173: "Our fathers before us may have taken false gods, but we are (their) descendants after them: wilt Thou (the god) then destroy us because of the deeds of men who were futile?" Knowing that the Quran with all its mistakes, etc. is not from a god, it is clear Muslims believe because their fathers - and neighbors, etc. - claim Muhammad and Islam represents the road to Paradise - - - by good deeds or war.

You meet both Muslim scriptures and Muslims claiming - like the Quran is indicating here - that non-Muslims believe just because their surroundings claim their religion is true. But as the Quran is not from a god, this is exactly what the Muslims themselves do.

282 7/174+175a: "- - - Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

283 7/175b: "- - - Satan followed him (a non-Muslim*) up, and he went astray". Satan is an interesting "person" in the Quran, because he is one of only 3 possible makers of the Quran. No god ever was involved in a book as full of errors and worse as the Quran, and then remain only 3 possibilities: Dark forces (and some of the immoral and harsh points in the Quran may indicate this - though we ourselves are reluctant to believe so, as not even a devil would send a book like the Quran, as he had to know he would be looked through and lose credibility sooner or later; well, if not a strong god made it a condition for that the Devil were permitted to lure more people to himself), a mental illness like TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - like modern medical science suspects), or one or more humans - f.x Muhammad himself (all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran which are in accordance with wrong science believed in in Arabia at that time, and all the contemporary local folklore, legends, fairy tales, etc. used in the Quran, may indicate this), or a combination of two or all three of these. The same goes for all the timed Allah(?) helped Muhammad with his private problems.

Also see 45/13a below.

Also see the sinister 34/50a below.

284 7/176a: "If it had been Our (Allah's*) will - - -". One of the many places in the Quran where Muhammad boasts about - or threatens with - what his god could do "if he only willed". For some reason or other this claimed powerful god never wanted to. Boasting are cheap arguments. Also see 45/13a below.

285 7/176b+177a: "- - - Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

286 7/177b: "- - - wrong their own souls". Who are wronging their own souls most? - - - the ones blindly following a war religion described in a book so full of errors and worse that no god ever was involved in it? - or the ones able to see at least some of the mistakes and able to understand what they mean? - - - and perhaps afterwards try to find out if there somewhere is a real god, if they feel for it.

287 7/178a: "Whom Allah doth guide - - -". For one thing Allah can guide nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god. For another not even a god can give reliable guidance to anyone by means of a guidebook full of mistakes, contradictions, etc.

288 7/178b: "- - - he (the good Muslim*) is on the right path - - -". Can anyone following a book where much - very much - is proved wrong, and a book thus also proved not from a god, be on the right religious path? And if you compare to Jesus' partly very different "map" of the road to Paradise, this question is even more questionable.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

289 7/178c: "- - - His (Allah's*) Guidance - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists, and also is of little consequence unless he is something supernatural. But beware: Not even a god is a reliable guide if he uses a guidebook of a quality like the Quran - and even more so if he happens to belong to the dark forces.

290 7/179a: "Many are the Jinns and men We (Allah*) have made for Hell - - -". According to the Bible Yahweh for a comparison has made no Jinns, and he has made no men for Hell - they were all made intended for Heaven, even though many may have "ended the other way" if the religions are right and there is a Heaven and a Hell.

Short about jinns: The name "jinn" often is translated with "spirit" or "genie", but that is not correct - it is a class of invisible beings "borrowed" from Arab folklore and pagan Arab religion, and a class unknown to us in the west - and as we have no name for them, we often translate the word with "spirit". Alfred Guillaume - famous scientist in the Quran and Islam - says in his book "Islam", p. 65: "(There is*) a class of beings intermediate between men and angels, with which we (from West*) are unfamiliar. These are the jinns, who are created of fire. They are physical beings. (Fire is particles or molecules/atoms drifting in the air - aerosols - and so hot that they emit light. For one thing aerosols are material. For another the old Islamic laws had laws for marriage between humans and jinns, and such a marriage could not be fulfilled unless also the jinns are material. For a third 55/56 shows that physical sex between humans and jinns were/are possible, which also confirms that the jinns are material beings.) There are good and bad jinn (but most of them end in Hell*)". Also see 7/179b just below.

291 7/179b: "- - - Jinns - - -". This is a being "borrowed" from old Arab folklore, pagan religion, and fairy tales. It is little described, but it is clear they are one of the 3 sentient species in the world - Jinns, humans, and angels. According to the Quran, they are created from fire (humans from clay or something, and angels from light). The word Jinn often is translated to English with the word genie, but beware that it is not really the same word. The English word genie derives from Latin, not from Arab - it derives from the Latin word genius, which means a sort of tutorial or guardian spirit thought to be assigned to each person at their birth. Jinns are not like this. They are too much like humans - also in social organization - and too little like spirits to be correctly described like that. If they are made from fire, they also are material, not spirits (fire is particles of matter so hot that it emits light) - though in the old times any lesser spirit sometimes was called a Jinn. Also see 7/179a just above.

It also is clear that neither the word, nor the concept of jinn as such do occur neither in the old Hebrew scriptures, nor in the Bible - yet another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

##292 7/179c: "They (non-Muslim Jinns and men*) are like cattle - nay, more misguided: for they are headless (of warning)". If being headless of warning is a sign for belonging among cattle: Try to give a believing Muslim absolutely correct information about mistakes in the Quran and what such mistakes tell about Muhammad, the Quran, Islam, and Allah, and see - and hear - what happen.

293 7/180: "The most beautiful names belong to Allah - - -". These names mainly are superlatives like Most Merciful, etc., but also names like Oft-Forgiving, etc. You do not find these kinds of names used for Yahweh - yet another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

294 7/181a: "Of those (humans*) We (Allah*) have created - - -". For one thing according to the Bible only Yahweh has created humans - and science tells they in reality developed from earlier primates, and were not created at all. For another thing Allah never proved he had the power to create - yes, he never proved he had any power at all, and even have not proved as much as his own existence. Lots of claims but never one single proof.

295 7/181b: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

296 7/181c: "- - - justice - - -". See 2/21b above.

297 7/182a: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

298 7/182b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall gradually visit with punishment - - -". The old story: Impossible unless Allah exists, and of little consequence unless he in addition is something powerful, white or black.

299 7/183: "Respite will I (Allah*) grant unto them (non-Muslims*)". Muhammad's standard "explanation" for the existence of non-Muslims and for the fact that many of them had a better life than most Muslims. But do not be sad: Allah will punish them and you come up on top in the claimed - but never proved - next life.

300 7/184a: "Their (the Arabs'*) Companion (Muhammad*) is not seized with madness - - -". Is it of any significance that Muhammad repeatedly was accused of being mad, but Jesus never?

Besides if Muhammad had TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) like modern medical science suspects, this is a mental disease - a madness.

301 7/184b: "- - - he (Muhammad*) is but a perspicuous warner". Well, that was in 621 AD. As soon as he gained real power 1-2 years later, he started also to become an enforcer - something his successors continued to be: With the partly exception of parts of Indonesia, most of what is now Islamic area became Islamic "on the point of the sword" or by other compulsions like social, economic, security, etc. compulsions backed by the sword.

302 7/185a: "- - - the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth and all that Allah hath created - - -". There is some irony here in the fact that if the old books - included the Quran - tell the truth on this point, Yahweh proved his power of creating, but Allah never - there only are big, but empty words, and never a proof. Big and empty words are cheap.

303 7/185b: "- - - what Message after this (the Quran*) - - -". But was the Quran really a message? - and as no message that full of errors and worse in case is from a god, then from whom?

304 7/186a: "To such as Allah rejects from His guidance, there can be no guide.

1. Allah can be no guide unless he exists.

2. Allah is no reliable guide in any case, if he uses a guidebook as full of mistakes as the Quran.

3. According to the Bible, Yahweh is the best guide - and Allah not even mentioned as a guide in that book. 

305 7/186b: "- - - His (Allah's*) guidance - - -". See 7/178a above.

#####306 7/188a: "If I (Muhammad*) had knowledge of the Unseen (= been able to make prophesies*), I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me". This is one of the places where Muhammad admits he is no real prophet - he is unable to make prophesies (unable to see the unseen, and thus unable to foretell = make prophesies). Now the title "prophet" is one many have liked, and there are made several definitions of the word to make it fit the would be prophets, but what kind of a prophet is a person who is unable to make prophesies? - is he/she a prophet or an imitation?

We also may remind you that the word "prophet" derives from the Greek word "profetes", which means "one who foretells". Muhammad was unable to foretell anything. And the original Jewish word for "prophet" was a "seer" - one who was able to "see the unseen". Further comments should not be necessary. Muhammad was by standard definition not a prophet. Perhaps a messenger or an apostle (for whom in case?), but not a prophet.

307 7/188b: "I (Muhammad*) am but a warner - - -". See 7/184b above.

308 7/188c: "- - - glad tidings - - -". How much glad tiding is there in a book where the tidings for one thing often are far from glad, and for another so full of errors, contradictions, etc., that the tidings are unreliable. Also compare Jesus' and Muhammad's teachings - which of them is dominated by glad tidings and which by discrimination and dishonesty and blood?

309 7/189: "It is He (Allah*) Who created - - -". See 7/185a above.

310 7/190a: "- - - Allah is exalted high above the partners (other gods*) they (non-Muslims*) ascribe to Him - - -". Not unless he exists and is a top god - and there are strong circumstantial and empirical proofs for that he only is a made up - and in case pagan - god (mathematical strength proofs for or against a god only a supernatural being - f.x. the god himself - can give).

311 7/190b: "- - - the partners (other gods*) they (non-Muslims*) ascribe to Him (Allah*)". See 1/5 and 6/14c above.

##312 7/191: "Do they (non-Muslims*) indeed ascribe to Him (Allah*) as partners things that create nothing, but are themselves created?" Note Muhammad's technique here - a technique he uses many places in the Quran: He treats Allah's claimed attributes like proved facts, but questions or demand proofs from everyone else. He thus circumnavigate and makes his followers - and others - forget a very essential fact: There was and is never proved anything about Allah - not about his power, not about his other attributes, not even his very existence. EVERYTHING "known" about Allah, just are never proved claims from a man of very doubtful character and moral, a man who liked respect and power and riches for bribes - and women, and a man who used his claimed god and religion for his platform of power, just like so many self proclaimed "prophets" through the times. If you on the other hand compare to Jesus: If the old books tell the truth, Jesus proved much of what he said - not least that something or someone supernatural was involved. Both the Bible and the Quran prove this about Jesus - if they tell the truth about these things.

Besides: According to the Bible, it was Yahweh who created, never Allah.

313 7/192: "No aid can they (other gods*) give them (non-Muslims*), nor can they aid themselves". A parallel to 7/191 just above.

314 7/193: "- - - guidance - - -". Pagan gods can give exactly the same as Allah if Allah in reality is a shined up, pagan god. And may be better so than Allah if Allah exists, but belongs to the dark forces. Also see 7/178a above.

€€€315 7/193-198: Different parallels to 7/191 above.

316 7/196a: "For my (Muhammad's*) Protector is Allah - - -". Allah can protect nobody if he does not exist. In addition he has to be a major god to give the protection the Quran promises. Neither of this is ever proved.

317 7/196b: "- - - Allah, who revealed the Book (here the Quran*) - - -". No omniscient god was ever involved in a book of a quality like the Quran.

318 7/196c: "- - - revealed - - -". See 2/285b above.

319 7/196d: "- - - righteous". See 2/21b above.

320 7/197a: "But those (gods*) ye (non-Muslims*) call upon besides Him (Allah*), are unable to help you, and indeed to help themselves". There has never in all history of man, and no place in the world, been even one documented case of Allah helping even one single person - or himself. Lots of claims but not one proved case. For a comparison: If the old books tell the truth, there were lots of witnesses to that Yahweh helped some - f.x. via Jesus.

321 7/197b: "- - - (gods*) besides Him (Allah*) - - -". See 6/14c above.

322 7/197c: "If thou (people*) callest them (other gods*) to guidance, they hear not". Strange, but in all the history of man and in the entire world there has never been even one proved case of also Allah hearing anything - shiploads of claims, but not one proved case. Is he a real god? - or is he a shined up and made up old pagan god like al-Lah - al-Ilah - Il (the old Arab moon god*)?

323 7/199a: "Hold (you Muslims*) to forgiveness; command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant". Muslims should forgive and overlook. But note that this surah is from 621 AD - from before Muhammad started to gain physical and armed power in 622-623 and onward. He rather fast changed his mind about points like this after he gained enough power, and his surroundings often were given the choice: Become Muslims or fight us and die - and your family will become our slaves. (Most of Arabia and much of the rest of the now Islamic world became Muslims "on the point of the sword").

324 7/199b: "- - - right - - - ignorant - - -". See 2/21b above.

325 7/199c: "- - - ignorant - - -". See 7/33f (knowledge) above.

326 7/200a: "If a suggestion from Satan assail thy (Muslim's*) mind - - -". See 7/27b above.

327 7/200b: "- - - seek refuge with Allah - - -". What for unless he exists and in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved?

328 7/200c: "- - - He (Allah*) - - - knoweth (all things)". Not if he made the Quran - too much is wrong in that book. It is not made by anyone who "knoweth (all things)".

329 7/201a: "- - - when a thought of evil from Satan assaults them (Muslims*) - - -". See 7/27b above.

330 7/201b: "- - - when a thought of evil from Satan assaults them (Muslims*), bring Allah to remembrance - - -". What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god: Not to mention: What for if so should be the case that Allah belongs to the dark forces? - after all one of the only 3 possible theories for who made the Quran, is that it was made by just Satan.

331 7/201c: "- - - evil - - - (aright) - - -". See 2/21b above.

332 7/202a: "But their (Muslims'*) brethren (the non-Muslims*) (the evil ones) - - -". Non-Muslims even in as early as in 621 AD, when this was written, were "evil ones". No further comment.

333 7/202b: "- - - (the evil ones) - - -". See 2/21b above.

334 7/203a: "- - - revelation - - - revealed - - -". See 2/285b above.

335 7/203b: "I (Muhammad*) but follow what is revealed to me (= the Quran*) from my Lord (Allah*) - - -". No god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran with all its errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc.

Also see 45/13a below.

336 7/203c: "- - - this (the Quran*) is (nothing but) lights from your (Muslims'/people's*) Lord (Allah, and a Guidance, and a Mercy - - -". There is little light and reliable guidance in a book full of errors and more, not to mention little religious light and guidance in a book of a quality proving there never was a god involved in that book.

337 7/204: "When the Quran is read, listen with attention, and hold your peace: that ye (Muslims*) may receive Mercy". How much mercy is there in the surahs from Medina? - and how much real and reliable mercy in a book where no god has been involved? And as for real mercy: Compare the teaching of the robber baron/warlord Muhammad with the teaching of Jesus.

338 7/206: Not unlike the Bible, except the Bible talks about Yahweh, and never even mentions a war god like Allah, except perhaps lumped together with the unnamed false gods.

Subtotal: 338 + 2635 = 2973 comments.

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This work was uploaded with assistance from M. A. Khan, the author of Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery, and the editor of islam-watch.org website.