Bible versus Quran: 1000+ Differences & Contradictions

 

The Quran: Its Divergence from the Bible

Surah 5 : Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread)

632 AD (one of the very last ones; Some verses earlier)

001 5/1a: "O ye who believe (Muslims*)! Fulfill (all) obligations". Which of course included the obligation to obey and serve Muhammad. Many a dictator would like his underlings to receive divine orders saying "obey and serve your dictator". Muhammad's underlings received some such orders. Very nice for the dictator whether the order really was divine or not, as long as the underlings believed it was.

002 5/1b: "- - - (all) obligations". As the Quran and all its mistakes, etc. is not from any god, who has made the list of obligations?

###003 5/1c: "Lawful unto you (Muslims*) (for food) are all four-footed animals, with the exceptions named - - -". Also in OT there are some prohibitions concerning food, but these prohibitions - exceptions - were nullified by Jesus.

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

004 5/1d: "- - - Sacred Precincts - - -". The area near the Kabah mosque in Mecca - the most holy place on Earth according to Allah and Muhammad, but so totally uninteresting to Yahweh - and to Jesus - that neither the place nor the Kabah - not even the area or the town Mecca - is even mentioned in the Bible. Not to mention that none of the Jewish prophets, included Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, ever expressed a wish for to make a pilgrimage there or for other reasons go there. One of the at least 200% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if Allah at all exists. (There is a chance for that Yahweh exists - all the witnesses to what happened around Jesus and also around his disciples and the first Christians later, are difficult to explain away. But the chances for that Allah exists are more or less zero.).

005 5/1e: "- - - in pilgrim garb - - -". Nowhere in the Bible there is a demand neither for pilgrimage nor for pilgrim garb - 2 more strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad neither were serving the same god, nor the same religion. This even more so as the demand for pilgrimage - hajj - is so strong in the Quran. (Catholic Christians believe in pilgrimages, but that is a human idea, not a demand from the Bible - and the rules are very different.)

006 5/1f: "- - - Allah doth command - - -". Allah can command nothing unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

007 5/1g: "- - - Allah doth command according to His Will and Plan". Here we again are back to Allah's total predestination and unchangeable Plan - one of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that neither the Mosaic, nor the Christian religion ever were or are like Islam - Yahweh very far from decides or predestines everything.

008 5/2a: "Violate not the sanctity of the Symbols of Allah - - -". The highest symbol of Allah was Muhammad and the Quran. No more comments. Except: Is there sanctity in symbols behind which there is no god?

009 5/2b: "- - - the Sacred Month - - -". Really there were 4 sacred months (numbers 1, 7, 11, and 12 in the artificial Muslim moon year), but as here is used singular, the Quran here must mean the month Ramadan. There is no Ramadan in the Bible (and no other holy months), and as this holy month is very central to Allah/Islam, but not even mentioned by Yahweh, this is another strong indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

010 5/2c: "- - - The Sacred House/Mosque - - -". See 2/191c above and 48/27d below and not least 22/26a below. And see 2/125e in http://www.1000mistakes.com.

011 5/2d: "- - - Sacred Precincts - - -". Another proof. See 5/1d above.

012 5/2e: "- - - in pilgrim garb - - -". See 5/1e above - one more proof.

013 5/2f: "- - - righteousness - - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above. We may add that this verse is one of very many neither from the Bible, nor with a similar point in the Bible.

014 5/2g: "- - - fear Allah - - -". No reason unless he exists and is a god - which the Bible indirectly, but strongly says he is not - and the only source for claims about Allah's existence, the Quran, proves by all its mistakes, etc. that no god was involved in that book, and thus that Allah extremely likely is a made up god. Whereas there is a chance for that Yahweh exists - all the witnesses to what happened around Jesus, and also the strong knowledge of the early martyrs are difficult to explain away (and the early Christian martyrs were real martyrs, not only warriors killed in battles for riches and power and rape in the name of a never proved god - and to do such things in the name of a god, make the deeds even more disgusting).

We also may add that according to the Bible, the only one there is a reason to fear, is Yahweh.

015 5/2h: "- - - for Allah is strict in punishment". Impossible unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved - also see 5/2g just above.

###016 5/3a: Different forbidden food. Also this verse is not from the Bible, though you find some similar food taboos in OT. They are lifted in NT (see just below in this comment). One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not serving the same religion: It takes a strange omniscient god to be unable to decide what is prohibited to eat; first lift unsatisfactory rules, and then reintroduce many of them to the Muslims.

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

017 5/3b: "- - - (forbidden) is also the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety". Such a prohibition does not exist in the Bible - yet another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

018 5/3c: "This day have those who reject faith (non-Muslims*) given up all hope of your religion - - -". In case with a reason: There is no hope for a religion based on a book where no god was involved - and no god ever was involved in a "holy" book as full of errors and worse like the Quran.

#019 5/3d: "This day have I (Allah*) perfected your (Muslims'*) religion for you - - - and have chosen for you Islam as your religion". Did not Allah choose and perfect Islam until this day in 632 AD? - after 23 years of teaching from Muhammad and after - according to Muhammad - thousands of years of teaching via different prophets!!

020 5/3e: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". A parallel to 4/16b above.

021 5/4+5: "Lawful - - -". As the Quran and all its mistakes are not from any god, then who made the Sharia laws? - and not least: How much are they really worth?

022 5/4-5: These verses are not from the Bible, though there are some similarities to points in OT. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

023 5/5a: "- - - dower - - -". The dower is an essential part of the Quran's wedding ceremony, but not in the Bible's. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, as central points in such central ceremonies are different. (It may simply look like the god in case played dice to decide "what rules for the followers of the Bible?" And "what rules for the followers of the Quran?"

024 5/5b: "If anyone rejects Faith (Islam*) - - - in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (= go to Hell*)". According to the Bible it is the ones not following Yahweh who will end in Hell - and we may point to that Muslims follow Allah not Yahweh.

025 5/6a: This verse is not from the Bible. We may add that it was not the physical cleanliness which counted for Muhammad, but the ceremonial one (confirmed among other by the fact that you could purify yourself by rubbing sand or earth against your skin if you lacked water - see further down in this verse).

026 5/6b: "- - - prayer - - -". See 4/77a above.

027 5/6c: "- - - (Allah wish to*) complete His favor to you (Muslims*) - - -". One more thing which is impossible for Allah unless he exists and is a god. There only exist the words of a man with doubtful moral and reliability, but likening power, respect, riches for bribes and women, for both the existence and the favor of Allah.

028 5/7a: "- - - the favor of Allah - - -". See 5/6c above.

029 5/7b: "- - - His (Allah's*) Covenant - - -". Actually there nowhere in the Quran is specified where and when - or even if - Allah made a covenant with the Muslims. The claimed covenant simply emerges like an accepted and known fact if they say that they "hear and obey" - - - and who did they hear and obey? Muhammad. A nice position for any dictator.

030 5/7c: "- - - fear Allah - - -". See 5/2g above.

031 5/7d: "- - - for Allah knoweth well the secret of your hearts". Why then did he have to test and test even his followers? - and preferably in raids and wars, totally unlike Yahweh, especially like you meet him in NT.

032 5/8a: "Stand out firmly for Allah - - -". Why, if he just is a made up and in reality borrowed pagan god, who only exists in a book made up by dark forces or humans - well or sick - as no god ever made a book that full of mistakes, etc. We may also mention that according to the Bible the only god it pays to stand out for, is Yahweh.

033 5/8b: "- - - fear Allah - - -". See 5/2g above.

034 5/8c: "- - - Allah knoweth well the secrets of your (people's*) hearts". Why then did he have to test and test even his followers? - and preferably in raids and wars, totally unlike Yahweh, especially like you meet him in NT.

035 5/9a: "- - - deeds of righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

036 5/9b: "- - - Allah (has*) promised forgiveness and a great reward (Paradise*)". Allah neither can promise nor forgive nor punish nor reward unless he exists. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

Further: As the Quran and all its mistakes are not from any god, who made all the promises on his behalf in the Quran? - and are they worth anything without any god behind them?

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

037 5/10a: "Those who reject faith (Islam*) and Our (Allah's*) Signs will be companions of Hell-fire". A parallel to 5/5b above.

038 5/10b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

039 5/11a: "- - - the favor of Allah - - -". See 5/6c above.

040 5/11b: "And on Allah let the Believers (Muslims*) put (all) their trust". Risky unless Allah exists and is a god, which is not the case according to the Bible and extremely unlikely according to the reality concerning the Quran - all the errors and the resulting fact that no god was involved in the book, make the chance infinitesimal.

041 5/12a: This verse really is not from the Bible, but Muhammad has taken Biblical meanings and then inserted things to make it fit his new religion - f.x. "believe in My Messengers" ("Messenger" is not used as a title in the Bible), and "loan Allah a beautiful loan" (a Quranic expression for "risk your life and go to war for Muhammad/Allah" - no similar expression is to be found in the Bible and absolutely not in NT). Muhammad and Muslims frequently quote out of context. Here he inserts "foreign claims" into a context. But then as you know Muhammad accepted and believed in the use of dishonesty - al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), deceit, and even broken oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a),

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Stratgem to avoid or circumvent legal principles or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choises, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campaigned of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguise. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

042 5/12b: "Allah did aforetime take a Covenant from the Children of Israel (the Israelites*) - - -". According to the Bible this covenant was with Yahweh, not with Allah.

043 5/12c: "- - - regular prayers - - -". See 4/77a above.

044 5/12d: "- - - regular charity - - -". See 4/77b above.

045 5/12e: "- - - loan to Allah a beautiful loan - - -". This is an expression you meet several places in the Quran. It means: "Loan to Allah(?)/Muhammad your life by going on raids/wars when Muhammad orders, and risk and perhaps lose your life for Allah(?)/Muhammad". There is nothing even remotely like this in the Bible, not to mention in NT - one of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not serving neither the same god nor the same religion, not to mention the same line of prophets (impossible as they were not in the same religion or serving the same god - and besides Muhammad hardly was a real prophet, as he was unable to make prophesies).

046 5/12f: "- - - I (Allah*) will wipe out from you (Muslims*) your evils (= forgive*), and admit you to Gardens (Paradise*) - - -". Neither of this is possible for Allah unless he exists and is a god - and even if he should happen to be a god, he at least cannot forgive because of your prayers, because then he will have to change his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change according to the Quran. We may mention that according to the Bible only Yahweh can do things like this.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

047 5/12g: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

048 5/12h: "- - - but if any of you (Muslims/people*) resisteth faith (Islam*), he hath truly wandered from the path of rectitude". A parallel to 5/5b above. We may add that according to the Bible, if one aims for Yahweh's Paradise, one on many moral and other points, have to stay far off Allah's path - the two gods, their religions, their moral codes, etc. on many points are very different.

049 5/12i: "- - - truly - - -". See 2/26 above.

An extra point: How much do you respect the use of strengthening, but cheap words like "verily", "in truth", "truly", "certainly", etc. for strengthening loose claims, etc.? After all any cheat, deceiver, charlatan, swindler, etc. can use such words free of charge, as long as they do not have to prove anything. But a zero multiplied with even a billion, still only is a zero.

050 5/12j: "- - - (the Quran's path*) is the path of rectitude". Compare f.x. Islam's moral code to f.x. "do to others like you want others do to you", just to mention the moral aspects of the Quran: How much rectitude do you really find? (But Muslims are so used to the rules in the Quran, that they honestly believe it is rectitude.)

051 5/13a: "But because of their (the Jews'*) breach of the Covenant (not with Allah like the Quran claims, but with Yahweh according to the Bible*), We (Yahweh according to the Bible, Allah according to the Quran*) cursed them - -". Also according to the Bible, Yahweh several times punished the Israelites/Jews for breaking the covenant, BUT IN SPITE OF MUSLIM CLAIMS, IT NEVER WAS TERMINATED ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE - ON THE CONTRARY THE BIBLE SOME PLACES SAYS IT WAS AN ETARNAL COVENANT WHICH WOULD NEVER BE TERMINATED.

#052 5/13b: "- - - they (Jews and Christians*) change the words (of the claimed, but never documented "original" Bible similar to the Quran - Muhammad's often repeated, but as normal for him never proved claim) from their (right) places and forget a good part of the Message that was sent them - - -". The short comment is that Muhammad claimed the books the Jews and Christians had, originally had been sent down from the god (wrong according to the Bible, except for the 10 Commandments and verbally the laws given to Moses) and that they originally had been similar to the Quran, but the bad Jews and Christians had falsified them. This was Muhammad's only way out to explain away the differences between what he told the Bible said, and what it really said - and thus the big and grave differences between the Bible and the Quran. We remind you that Muhammad's claims about this is proved utterly wrong with strong empirical and circumstantial proofs both by science and by Islam, by being unable to find even one proved falsification - mistakes, but not falsifications. There also is another fact: The historical times in those areas started somewhere around 800 - 900 BC or even a little earlier - there exist written, reasonably reliable sources from those times. Nearly nothing of the Bible is written before around 800 BC (there is some debate about the 5 Books of Moses, but science generally agree on that they are written over some time, and that the oldest part builds on a source from 950 - 850 BC and then onward until the youngest one which may be from around 400 BC. (The books of Moses did not get their final form and content until after the return from Babylon.) This means that most of the Bible is written in historical times, and when something is mentioned both in the Bible - f.x. a name of a king or a time - and in known history, mostly what the Bible tells is confirmed by the historical sources. Which means that at least mostly the Bible is correct, at least for things which happened later than around 1ooo BC.

The only possible conclusion: Muhammad's many claims about falsification of the Bible are wrong. But he had to claim so, because it was his only possible way to save his religion and thus his platform of power.

Honesty was not a strong part of Muhammad's moral code.

053 5/13c: "- - - Allah loveth those who are kind". Not possible unless he at least exists.

054 5/14a: "- - - they (the Christians*) forgot a good part of the Message - - -". A parallel to 5/13b just above. But here the situation is more serious, as we now are in times of written history (this is the case also for parts of the time covered by 5/13b), and we positively know it is not true that the Bible, included f.x. the Gospels, are falsified, like Muhammad had to claim to explain away many of the serious differences between what he claimed NT told, and what it really said and still says. There may be mistakes in the Bible, but it is not falsified.

055 5/14b: "And soon Allah will show them (the Christians*) what it is they have done". For one thing it is a historical fact the NT is not falsified (and this extremely likely is the situation also for OT - may be some mistakes, but no documented falsifications), and for another: No matter this - Allah can do nothing one way or the other unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). There is every reason to believe neither is the case - especially all the mistakes in the Quran speak very loudly about this.

056 5/15a: "There hath come to you (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) our (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

057 5/15b: "There hath come to you (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) our (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*) revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book (here the Bible*) - - -". Once more Muhammad's never documented and proved wrong claim about falsification of the Bible. See 5/13 above.

###058 5/15c: "There hath come to you (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) our (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*) revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book (here the Bible*), and passing over much (that is now unnecessary) - - -". The last part here is something Muhammad seldom mentions - that things of the old are omitted because it now is unnecessary. It is a necessary part of Muhammad's "explanations" of the difference between the Bible and the Quran, but the really interesting part is that this confirms that parts of the Bible was "now unnecessary" - and thus that when Jesus made parts of f.x. the old laws invalid, there is no basis for Muslims to protest to such points; Jesus found them not necessary anymore and removed them - like in the Quran.

####Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

059 5/15d: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

060 5/15e: "There hath come to you (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book (the Quran*) - - -". No book of a quality like the Quran with all its errors, contradictions, etc. is either a light or very perspicuous.

061 5/15f: "There hath come to you (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) from Allah - - - a perspicuous Book (the Quran*) - - -". No book of a quality like the Quran with all its errors, contradictions, etc. is from a god - no god, and especially not no omniscient god, makes such a number of mistakes.

062 5/16a: "- - - Allah guideth - - - and leadeth - - -". For one thing no book as full or mistakes, etc. like the Quran is from any god - Allah included if he exists. For another no book as full of mistakes, etc. like the Quran gives any reliable guidance - and the same goes for a "guide" believing in the use of dishonesty as working tools. (Al-Taqiyya, Kitman, deceit, broken oaths, to mention some points.)

063 5/16b: "- - - His (Allah's*) Will - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists and is a god. And according to the Bible, the only god which exists - except made up pagan ones, like Al-Lah/Allah was - is Yahweh.

064 5/16c: "- - - light - - -". Does a book - or a "prophet" - as harsh, inhuman, and immoral, etc. like the Quran and Muhammad represent light?

065 5/16d: "- - - a Path that is Straight". Is it symptomatic that Muhammad talked about the straight - the easy - way to Paradise, whereas Jesus talked about the narrow - the difficult - road leading there? Populism vs. realism?

066 5/17a: "- - - blasphemy - - -". There is no blasphemy in doubting Allah if he does not exist.

067 5/17b: "- - - those (the Christians*) that say Allah is Christ (Jesus*) - - -". There is not one Christian who says neither Allah nor Yahweh = Jesus (Christ). Muhammad never understood the Bible on this point. Any god had done. Then who made the Quran?

068 5/17c: "Who then hath the least power against Allah - - -". According to the Bible Yahweh has - and Allah does not have any extra power at all unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or dark.

069 5/17d: "- - - if His (Allah's*) Will were to destroy Christ - - -". One of the many places in the Quran where Muhammad boasts about what his god could do "if he only willed". For some reason or other this claimed powerful god never wanted to. Boasting are cheap arguments. Also see 45/13a below.

070 5/17e: "- - - His (Allah's*) Will - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists.

071 5/17f: "- - - Christ (Jesus*), son of Mary - - -". See 4/157c above.

072 5/17g: "For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". According to the Bible this belongs to Yahweh, and both books cannot be true here. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

Just to mention it: The Quran tells Allah has 99 names, and these are some of them. The names generally are descriptions in superlative - Most Kind, Most Merciful, Most High, Most Kind, Most Gracious, etc., but also names like f.x. Oft Forgiving, etc.

Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the cheap, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve?)

073 5/17h: "He (Allah*) creatheth what He pleaseth". Allah has never provably created even the toe-nail of a fly - yes, he has not even been able to prove his own existence, as opposed to Yahweh, who many times proved both his own existence and power, if the old books tell the truth. Also see 45/13a below.

074 5/17i: "For Allah hath power over all things". According to the Bible only Yahweh has power over all things - and Allah has power over nothing at all unless he exists.

#075 5/18a: "Why then doth He (the god*) punish you (Jews, Christians*) for your sins?" This is a naive and silly question - and even more so as the Quran itself gives the answer other places: Any father who loves his children punishes them if it is necessary to teach them how to behave. We must admit we were a bit incredulous first time we read this intended rhetoric question - it was simply too silly a question for an intelligent man like Muhammad to pretend it had been asked by a god.

076 5/18b: "For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". See 5/17g above.

077 5/18c: "- - - sins - - -". See 2/21b above. See 2/21b above.

078 5/18d: "He (Allah*) forgiveth whom He pleaseth - - -". Impossible unless he exists and is a god - neither of which was ever proved. And for a comparison: According to the Bible Yahweh forgives everybody who honestly asks for it and tries to live up to the standard. Another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Another point: Yahweh according to the Bible forgives not whom he "pleaseth", but whoever honestly prays for it.

079 5/18e: "- - - unto Him (Allah*) is the final goal (of all)". According to the Bible the final goal is unto Yahweh, not unto Allah.

080 5/19a: "Now hath come unto you (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*), to make things clear to you, Our (Allah's*) Messenger - - -". The only things Muhammad made clear, was that he liked respect, power and riches for bribes - and women, that he could prove no connection to a god, and that the Quran was not from any god, as no god would ever deliver, not to mention make, a book of a quality like the Quran - too much is wrong in it.

081 5/19b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Messenger - - -". No god ever had a messenger preaching so many wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, etc. like Muhammad did.

Also see 45/13a below.

082 5/19c: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 4/115b above and 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

083 5/19d: "- - - glad tidings - - -". Is a religion preaching suppression, apartheid, discrimination, hate, war, etc. a glad tiding? - except for those permitted to steal, rape, suppress, extort, and take slaves.

084 5/19e: "- - - (- - - evil) - - -". See 2/21b above.

085 5/19f: "And Allah hath power over all things". According to the Bible only Yahweh has power over all things - and Allah has power over nothing at all unless he exists, and over very little unless he is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

086 5/20a: "- - - the favors of Allah unto you (the Jews*) - - -". According to the Bible and the Israelites' god was Yahweh, not Allah.

#087 5/20b: "- - - Moses said: - - - (the god*) made you (the Israelites*) kings - - -". The Bible makes it very clear that the Israelites had no kings until long time after Moses (the first king, Saul, was some 200 years later). You may meet Muslims trying to explain away this historical mistake, by claiming that this quote means Allah made each Israelite like a king. But we think few persons, included the overwhelming majority of Arabs and other Muslims, will admit to that all the Israelites/Jews were or are similar to kings. A pathetic "explanation".

€€€088 5/21-26: The overall story is like in the Bible, but the details are from other sources (which do not exist) or from legends or fantasy.

089 5/21: "- - - the holy land (Israel) which Allah hath assigned to you (the Israelites*) - - -". According to the Bible this was done by Yahweh, not by Allah.

090 5/22: "Assault them (the Canaanites*) at the (proper) Gate - - - but in Allah put your (the Israelites'*) trust - - -". According to the Bible a twisted quotation of the words of Joshua and Caleb (like so often names not given in the Quran - most likely Muhammad did not know them) - and wrong god if the Bible tells the truth.

091 5/27: "- - - righteous - - -". See 2/21b above.

€€€092 5/27-30: The overall story is like in the Bible, but the details are different or much different - from other sources (there exists no other) or from fantasy?

093 5/28: "- - - I (Abel according to the Bible - the Quran does not mention the names*) do fear Allah - - -". According to the Bible, the involved god was Yahweh, not Allah. We may add that the oldest traces from Allah and Islam are from 610 AD, whereas Cain and Abel (sons of the two first humans, Adam and Eve (the parents of Cain and Abel - the names are from the Bible*), according to the old books) lived thousands of years before (or were fiction).

094 5/29: "- - - sin - - - do wrong - - -". See 2/21b above.

095 5/31: The story of Cain (Muhammad seems not to have known the name - like he lacked many other Biblical names - the Quran often is bad on relevant details*) and the raven is not from the Bible. From where is it?

096 5/32a: "We (Allah*) ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people - - -". This is a quote you sometimes meet from Muslims wanting to prove how peaceful and good Muslims are - - - except they never mention it was a moral decree to the Israelites, not to the Muslims.

097 5/32b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Messengers - - -". The Quran here refers to the old Jewish prophets - the word "messenger" is never used as a title in the Bible - but the Bible tells they were the prophets of Yahweh, not of Allah.

098 5/32c: "- - - Clear Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

#099 5/33a: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". One thing is that out of all the many thousands of messengers/prophets Islam claims have served Allah, the Quran only prohibits fighting against Muhammad. Worse: Practically all of Muhammad's may be 83 armed "incidents" (http://www.1000mistakes.com names 62 of them) were raids and wars of aggression from Muhammad and his Muslims - which means that here Muhammad is promising strict punishment for the ones defending themselves against him and his atrocities. This claim also is Muhammad’s main mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

100 5/33b: "- - - Allah and his Messenger - - -". This is Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power - his claimed god. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this. This in spite of that no omniscient god would send a messenger preaching so many wrong facts, other mistakes, contradictions, etc. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

Also note that even though Muhammad claimed there had been lots and lots of messengers/prophets through the times, and that a similar book had been sent to all of them, Allah/the Quran in more than 90% of the cases mentions or means just one of them, Muhammad himself. Very nice for Muhammad, a questionable and depressing fact for all the other claimed prophets/messengers.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

101 5/33c: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 4/115b above and 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

102 5/33d: "- - - a heavy punishment is theirs (the non-Muslims'*) in the hereafter - - -". Not possible unless Allah exists and in addition is either a god or a devil.

103 5/34: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". A parallel to 4/16b above.

104 5/35a: "Do your (Muslims'*) duty to Allah - - -". Does anyone have a duty to Allah if he does not exist? And what if he exists, but belongs to the dark forces?

105 5/35b: "- - - (Muslims*) strive with might and main (in the Quran = fight in raids/war*) in His (Allah's*) cause - - -". One of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and Jesus and Muhammad not serving the same god or the same - or even similar - religion". And the cause of Allah? - this does not exist unless Allah exists, and is of minor interest unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

106 5/36: "- - - those who reject Faith (Islam*) - - - theirs would be a grievous Penalty (Hell*)". According to the Bible it is the ones not believing in Yahweh who are to end in Hell - and the Bible tells indirectly, but very clearly that Allah is a false god, and thus that his followers are heading for Hell. Maximum one of those two Books can be true on this point.

107 5/37: "Their (non-Muslims*) wish will be to get out of the Fire (Hell*) - - -". According to the Bible at least the followers of Yahweh will not even end in Hell - but the followers of Allah may be in for a bad surprise, as they are too far from Yahweh, still (indirectly, but clearly) according to that book.

108 5/38a: "As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example - - -". Compare this to Jesus teaching!.

There is an extra problem here: The Quran writes "hands" in plural, and some Muslims say both hands, whereas the majority says plural is used because Muhammad talked about a number of thieves, and thus one hand from each is meant (this last alternative is the normal practice - though luckily this inhuman punishment is not too often used).

Such a punishment is not prescribed by Yahweh - another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

109 5/38b: "- - - Allah is Exalted in power". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad. According to the Bible only Yahweh is exalted in power.

110 5/39a: "- - - Allah turneth to him (a repenting thief*) in forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

111 5/39b: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". A parallel to 4/16b above.

112 5/40a: "Knowest thou not that to Allah (alone) belongeth the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth". According to the Bible, this belongs to Yahweh, not to Allah - a claimed god not even mentioned in the Bible. Both books cannot be right here. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often.)

113 5/40b: "He (Allah*) punisheth whom He pleaseth, and He forgiveth whom He pleaseth - - -". According to the Bible Yahweh only punishes the ones who deserves is, and he forgives anyone who honestly prays for forgiving and try to live accordingly.

But then Allah has an extra problem here: If he predestines everything you do, and thus forces you to do good or bad - what do you then really deserve of punishment or reward? (Muslims - and also the Quran - try to explain the problem away by claiming that man in addition to Allah's full predestination has free will, but to combine free will - even partly free will - and full predestination is not possible. Not even Muslim scholars after 1400 years are able to explain such a combination, but lamely claims that "it has to be true as Allah says so in the Quran".

114 5/40c: "- - - He (Allah) forgiveth whom He pleases - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

115 5/40d: "- - - Allah hath power over all things". According to the Bible only Yahweh has power over all things - and Allah has power over nothing at all unless he exists.

116 5/41a: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 4/115b above and 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

117 5/41b: "Let not those grieve thee (Muhammad*), who race each other into unbelief - - -". Compare this to Jesus' words about f.x. "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), or even "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13). Or to Jesus words: "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. - - - For I have not come to call the righteous, but the sinners" (Matt. 9/12-13). No further comment necessary - but at least different gods and different religions.

#118 5/41c: "- - - Jews - men who will listen to any lie - - -". Slander? - discrimination? - or truth? - or a lie? Remember here that Muhammad himself accepted - and used (even in the Quran) - dishonesty as a working tool when dishonesty or cheating gave a better result.

119 5/41d: "They (non-Muslims/Jews*) change the words from their (right) times and places - - -". May be Muhammad here is claiming that Jews are generally dishonest or maybe he once more claims they falsified the Bible. In the first case see 5/41c just above, in the second see 2/75 and 4/47b above.

120 5/41e: "- - - for them (non-Muslims - here Jews*) there is - - - in the Hereafter a heavy punishment (Hell*)". Well, the Bible says that honest followers of Yahweh are safe from Hell.

121 5/41f: "- - - it is not Allah's will to purify their (sinners'*) hearts". Allah can purify - or punish - nothing unless he exists and is a god - well, he can punish also if he belongs to the dark forces.

122 5/42a: "(They (here the Jews*) are fond of) listening to falsehood - - -". As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god, and thus falsehood compared to what it claims to be, this sentence is rather an ironic one - and this even more so if it should turn out that the Bible is teaching about a real god, and thus the truth.

123 5/42b: "(They (here the Jews*) are fond of) listening to falsehood, of devouring anything forbidden". Slander - a way to build an "enemy picture". You find some of this in the Quran. If you compare Jesus and Muhammad on points like this, you will find huge differences.

124 5/42c: "- - - Allah loveth not - - -". Allah neither loves nor hates anyone unless he exists - and neither has much consequence unless he in addition is a god.

125 5/43: "- - - they (here mainly Jews*) are not really people of Faith". According to the Bible the ones who really have true faith, are the followers of Yahweh, not the followers of Allah.

126 5/44a: "It was We (Allah*) who revealed the Law (to Moses) - - -". According to the Bible this was done by Yahweh, not by Allah.

127 5/44b: "- - - by the Prophets who bowed (as in Islam) to Allah's Will - - -". A parallel to 5/44a just above.

128 5/44c: "- - - Allah's Will - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists, and has no consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural, good or bad.

129 5/44d: "- - - for to them (the old Jewish religious leaders*) were entrusted the protection of Allah's Book (the Quran - or the claimed "original" scriptures similar to the Quran*) - - -". This is wrong both according to the Bible and to historical facts: Neither the Israelites/Jews nor the Christians ever had a book similar to the Quran as far back as history goes - or a religion similar to Islam (and the same goes for all other people, in spite of Muhammad's never documented - like normal for him - claims about the opposite).

130 5/44e: "- - - do not barter away My Signs for a miserable price". This was one of Muhammad's standard "explanations" - as normal for him never documented - for why Jews and others did not believe in him: They "sold" his religion in exchange for a better life on Earth. He never explained how to be non-Muslims gave them a better life.

131 5/44f: "- - - My (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

132 5/44g+45a: "- - - what Allah hath revealed (the Quran*) - - -". No god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran - too much in that book is wrong.

Also see 45/13a below.

133 5/44h: "- - - revealed - - -". Was the Quran revealed? - and in case by whom? See 2/285b above.

134 5/45b: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". See 2/21b above.

135 5/46a: "- - - Jesus the son of Mary - - -". See 4/157c above.

#####136 5/46b: "- - - confirmation of the Law (of Moses*) that had come before him (Jesus*) - - -". Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

####137 5/46c: "- - - We (Allah*) sent him (Jesus*) the Gospel - - -". This is one of the beautiful ones in the Quran: It claims that Allah sent Jesus the Gospel to learn from and study in young years. But the Gospels did not exist then - the oldest one is from around 60 AD - a small generation after Jesus died. (There may have existed an older one, but in case just a few years older.)

The Islamic "explanation" is that the Quran talks about an older Gospel which now has disappeared - this is the official and in Islam accepted explanation, and for people not knowing any more about the Gospels (there are 4, not one), it may even be possible to believe in this "explanation". But for one thing Islam never has found even an indication for that such a gospel - old enough for Jesus to have read in childhood or as an adult - has ever existed, not to mention a proof for it (a very normal situation for Islam - they have not one proof for any of the central claims in the religion, and "what is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.). But worse: The Gospels are the history of Jesus birth, life, teaching, death, resurrection, and ascension to Heaven - it not only did not exist until years after his death, but could not exist until after his death = until all of it had happened.

Any god - even a baby one hidden in a distant corner - had known this. One of the really strong proofs for that the Quran not only is not from any omniscient god, but not from any god at all - even Iblis/the Devil had to know this - - - but not Muhammad.

Then who made the Quran?

#138 5/46d: "- - - (the Gospels are*) a guidance and an admonition for those who fear Allah". If this had been the true guidance Islam had lived by, Islam had been very different - and not a religion of dishonesty, suppression, apartheid and war.

139 5/47: "Let the people of the Gospel (= the Christians*) judge by what Allah hath revealed therein (in the Gospels*)". According to the Bible the involved god was Yahweh and not Allah, and in addition it is a historical fact that no god like Allah, no religion like Islam, and no book similar to the Quran were known in the entire Roman Empire, not to mention in what is now Israel, at the time of Jesus or afterwards until after 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission.

140 5/48a: "To thee (Muhammad*) We (Allah*) sent the Scripture (the Quran*) in truth - - -". No god ever sent a book of a quality like the Quran - full of mistaken facts, other mistakes, contradictions, etc. - to anybody.

Also see 45/13a below.

141 5/48b: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

142 5/48c: "- - - (Allah/the Quran is*) confirming the scripture that came before it (= the Bible*) - - -". There are so many and so fundamental differences between the Bible and the Quran, that the only things the Quran confirms, are that Yahweh and Allah are very different gods - if both exists - and that Islam is a very different religion - a war and discrimination religion - from what is preached in the Bible, and especially compared with the NT, and also that Jesus and Muhammad were serving very different gods and religions. Very different. Also remember here 2/75 and 4/47b - and 1/5 - above.

143 5/48d: "- - - what Allah hath revealed (the Quran*) - - -". No god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran.

Also see 45/13a below.

144 5/48e: "- - - revealed - - -". See 2/285b above.

145 5/48f: "- - - the Truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

146 5/48g: "If Allah had so willed - - -". One of the many places in the Quran where Muhammad boasts about what his god could do "if he only willed". For some reason or other this claimed powerful god never wanted to. Boastings are cheap arguments. Also see 45/13a below.

147 5/48h: "- - - (His (Allah*) plan is) to test you in what He hath given you - - -". The exact opposite of what is said in the Lord's Prayer (Matt. 6/13): "- - - lead us not into temptation - - -". To test you Allah has to lead you into temptation. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and for that Jesus and Muhammad did not serve the same god or religion. And it is a strong proof as the Quran here goes against so central a point as the Lord's prayer.

As for prayer: Also see 11/87a below.

Also see 29/2 below.

148 5/48i: "The goal of you (people/Muslims*) is to Allah - - -". According to the Bible the goal is to Yahweh, not to Allah. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

Just to mention it: The Quran tells Allah has 99 names, and these are some of them. The names generally are descriptions in superlative - Most Kind, Most Merciful, Most High, Most Kind, Most Gracious, etc., but also names like f.x. Oft Forgiving, etc.

Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the cheap, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve?)

149 5/48j: "- - - it is He (Allah*) that will show you (people*) the truth - - -". Allah can show nobody anything unless he exists, and very little unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

150 5/49a: "And this (He (Allah*) commands): - - -". As the Quran with all its errors and worse is not from any god, who is really giving the commands in the book? The Quran and all its mistakes and worse (the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) as said prove 100% and more that it was not for a god. Then remain only 3 alternatives:

1): The dark forces. (A number of immoral and inhuman points in the Quran may indicate this.)

2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Modern medical science suspects this.

3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's. All the mistakes in the Quran believed to be correct science at the time of Muhammad, plus f.x. the fact that all material in the book is from Arabia and neighboring area strongly indicates this - perhaps combined with alternative 2. And also all the times Allah(?) helped Muhammad with f.x. family problems indicates the same.

Also see 45/13a below. 

151 5/49b: "- - - what Allah hath revealed (the Quran*) - - -". No god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran.

Also see 45/13a below.

152 5/49c: "- - - revealed - - -". See 2/285b above.

153 5/49d: "- - - that (teaching*) which Allah hath sent down to thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) - - -". A parallel to 5/48d above.

Also see 2/176b above.

154 5/49e: "- - - sent down - - -". A parallel to 2/285b above.

155 5/49f: "And if they (people*) turn away (does not believe in Islam*), be assured that for some of their crime it is Allah's purpose to punish them (non-Muslims*)". One of Muhammad's standard explanations for why many did not believe in his new religion: Allah had decided it so, so as to have a reason to punish them.

But if it is Allah who predestines everything, like the Quran says several places, what is then the moral defence for punishment - or reward?

156 5/50a: "- - - (the Days of) Ignorance - - -". "The Days of Ignorance" even today is the official name for the times before Islam in some Muslim areas - this in spite of that several areas were much less ignorant than the old Arabs of Muhammad. But especially if the Bible should happen to represent a true god, "the Days of Ignorance" for many started in 610 AD with Muhammad's new religion and their belief in a book behind which - included its very many errors, etc. - there is no god (no god makes so many and unbelievable errors like in the Quran).

157 5/50b: "But who - - - can give better judgment than Allah?" Anybody if Allah does not exist. Likely anybody if he belongs to the dark forces. And Yahweh in any case according to the Bible.

####158 5/51a: "Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors - - -". Clear words for your money. Is there anybody who wonders why Muslims stay aloof in superiority and feel they are too "holy" believers to mingle with non-Muslims? Or why Muslims are difficult to integrate in normal cultures? (Or may be a strongly discriminating culture of partly accepted dishonesty (Al-Taqiyya - the lawful lie, Kitman - the lawful half-truth, etc.), suppression, apartheid, and war is a normal one?)

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Strategm to avoid or circumvent legal prinsiples or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choises, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campained of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguice. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

Not just meant to promote friendship between "us" and "them". (A well known method of ruling: "Divide and rule").

159 5/51b: "Verily - - -". As for words like "verily", "truth" etc. see 2/26 above.

An extra point: How much do you respect the use of strengthening, but cheap words like "verily", "in truth", "truly", "certainly", etc. for strengthening loose claims, etc.? After all any cheat, deceiver, charlatan, swindler, etc. can use such words free of charge as long as they do not have to prove anything. But a zero multiplied with even a billion, still only is a zero.

160 5/51c: "- - - Allah guideth not a people unjust". Allah can guide nobody, unless he exists and is a god, neither of which is ever proved - lots of claims, but not one real proof. And "what is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion. Besides: Even if Allah should exist, a book as full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. as the Quran, is a most unreliable guidebook.

161 5/51d: "- - - unjust - - -". See 2/21b above.

#162 5/52a: "Those (non-Muslims/not good Muslims*) in whose heart is a decease - - -". Persons who are not good Muslims have a disease in their heart. An informative piece of information(?) for good Muslims. But the Bible indirectly, but clearly disagrees.

163 5/52b: "Perhaps Allah will give (thee (Muhammad/Muslims*)) victory - - -". Impossible unless Allah exists and is something powerful - black or white.

164 5/52c: "- - - His (Allah's*) Will - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists - and has little consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

165 5/53: "All that they (non-Muslims*) do will be in vain - - -". According to the Bible this will not be the case for followers of Yahweh.

166 5/54a: "- - - soon will Allah produce a people - - -". Impossible unless he exists and is a major something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

###167 5/54b: "- - - (good Muslims are*) mighty against the rejecters (suppress or kill them*), fighting in the Way of Allah (waging religious wars*) - - -". Compare this to Jesus' teaching. One of the 200+% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad served very different gods and religions.

168 5/54c: "- - - the Grace of Allah - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists and is a god (in the dark forces there hardly is much grace).

169 5/55a: "Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger (Muhammad*), and (the fellowship of ) Believers (Muslims*) - - -". A parallel to 5/51a above.

170 5/55b: "- - - Allah (and*), His Messenger - - -". See 5/33b above. This claim also is Muhammad’s main mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

171 5/55c: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 4/115b above and 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

172 5/55d: "- - - regular prayers - - -". See 4/77a above.

173 5/55e: "- - - regular charity - - -". See 4/77b above.

174 5/55f: "- - - (in worship (of Allah))". Is this a good idea if Allah does not exist and/or is no god, like the Bible indirectly, but very clearly says, and the reality behind the Quran proves? - not to mention if he belongs to the dark forces!?

175 5/56a: "- - - Allah (and*), His Messenger - - -". See 5/33b above. This claim also is Muhammad’s main mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

176 5/56b: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 4/115b above.

177 5/56c: "- - - it is the Fellowship of Allah that must certainly triumph". Similar was said by Attila, by Xerxes, by Djingis Khan, by later Mongols, by the Zulu king Chaka, by Lenin, by Hitler, by Khadafy, and by many others.

An extra point: How much do you respect the use of strengthening, but cheap words like "verily", "in truth", "truly", "certainly", "assuredly”, etc. for strengthening loose claims, etc.? After all any cheat, deceiver, charlatan, swindler, etc. can use such words free of charge as long as they do not have to prove anything. And a zero multiplied with even a billion, still only is a zero.

Besides: If there is no god behind the Quran and all its errors, also this only is an empty claim.

178 5/57: "- - - fear ye (Muslims*) Allah - - -". Why so if he does not exist and/or is not a god, like the reality behind the Quran and all its errors, etc. prove?

179 5/58a: "- - - prayer - - -". See 4/77a above.

180 5/58b: "- - - that (disbelief*) is because they (non-Muslims*) are a people without understanding". The real reason for many - very many - was and is that they saw/see that things were and are seriously wrong with the Quran - f.x. a myriad of mistaken facts, of contradictions, and of places where Muhammad said the Bible said this-and-this but where it said something else - and thus that it is not from any omniscient god. Also see 16/67 below.

181 5/59a: "Do ye (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah - - -?". A parallel to 5/58b just above. Besides: There is a reason for disapproving a war and apartheid religion which on top of all is based on a made up book, or at least a book there is no god behind - no god ever was involved in a book as full of mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) as the Quran.

182 5/59b: "- - - revelation - - -". See 2/285b above.

183 5/60a: "- - - the curse of Allah and His wrath - - -". - neither of which exists unless Allah exists, and neither of which means much unless he in addition is a god or a devil.

184 5/60b: "- - - those of whom some He (Allah*) transformed into apes and swine - - -". That legend is not from the Bible.

185 5/60c: "- - - Evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

186 5/60d: "- - - worshiped Evil - - -". One of the three possible theories for who made the Quran is the dark forces (the other two are a mental illness like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - like modern medical science suspects, or a cold human brain - f.x. Muhammad's - as no god ever was involved in a book of a quality and moral standard like the Quran). If this should happen to be the case, who are then worshipping "Evil"? - and parts of the Quran's moral code here is an ominous indication.

187 5/60e: "- - - astray - - -". Who are most astray of the ones blindly believing in a book so full of errors and worse that no god ever was involved in it, or the ones able to see at least some of the errors, and understand what they mean?

Also see the sinister 34/50a below.

188 5/60f: "- - - the even Path (to Paradise*)!" Is it symptomatic that the Quran and Muhammad talk about "the straight Way", "the even Path", etc. - the easy road - to the Paradise, whereas Jesus talked about "the narrow road" - the difficult one? Populism contra realism?

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

189 5/61: "But Allah knoweth fully what they (non-Muslims*) hide". But if Allah knows everything, why then does he have to test and test everybody? - and what can he learn from the tests?

190 5/62+63: "- - - sin(full) - - - Evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

191 5/64a: "- - - (blasphemy) - - -". There is no blasphemy in doubting Allah, not unless he really exists, is a major god, and is reasonably correct described among all the errors in the Quran.

192 5/64b: "- - - He (Allah*) giveth and spendeth - - -". Impossible unless he exists - and of moderate interest unless he in addition is something supernatural, good or bad.

193 5/64c: "- - - (His (Allah's*) bounty) - - -". This does not exists unless Allah exists - and is of little consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). We may also remind you that "Allah's" bounty here on Earth, Muhammad and his Muslims to a large degree stole/looted from their victims, not received from Allah.

194 5/64d: "- - - the revelation (the Quran*) - - -". See 2/285b above.

195 5/64e: "- - - the revelation (the Quran*) that cometh to thee (Muhammad*) from Allah - - -". No omniscient god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran.

196 5/64f: "- - - blasphemy - - -". There is no blasphemy in doubting Allah if he does not exist - and no blasphemy at all in doubting a book as full of errors, contradictions, etc. as the Quran.

#197 5/64g: "Every time they (non-Muslims*) kindle the fire of war, Allah doth extinguish it - - -". A piece of irony to use an understatement, as nearly all armed conflicts Muhammad was involved in and for centuries later, started by aggression from the Muslims. It is also worth mentioning that according to all the four "law schools" in Islam, the fact that a neighbor or others were non-Muslims, was good enough reason to declare Jihad - "holy war" - and attack them.

198 5/64h: "And Allah loveth not those who do mischief". The meaning - and the effect - of this is to provoke distaste and enmity toward the non-Muslims. But think it over: With all the mischief Muslims were and are doing - who is it Allah (if he exists) does not love? Not to mention what the situation is if it is Yahweh who exists!

199 5/64i: "- - - mischief - - -". See 2/21b above.

200 5/65a: "If only the People of the Book (here the Bible) had believed and been righteous - - -". They do and are - but according to the Bible, not according to the Quran.

201 5/65b: "- - - righteous - - -". See 2/21b above.

202 5/65c: "- - - (if Jews and Christians had been good*) We (Allah*) should indeed have blotted out their iniquities (sins*) and admitted them to Gardens of Bliss (Paradise)". Both are impossible unless Allah exists and is a god. And as for forgiving: Allah cannot forgive because then he disturbs his Plan which nobody and nothing can change according to the Quran.

One point the Quran never explains, is how it is possible for you to have your family around you like the Quran promises, if not all of them qualifies for the same heaven or garden? Your son and daughter qualify for garden number 1 and 3 respectively, your wife for number 2, whereas you yourself were killed in the Battle of Tours in 732 AD and qualify for Firdaws. How to collect your family around you, like the Quran states is a fact?

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

203 5/65d: "- - - the Garden of Bliss - - -". Paradise. But remember that there are such big and deep differences between Yahweh’s spiritual Paradise and Allah's bodily one, that this is one of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

204 5/66a: "If they (Jews/Christians*) had only stood fast by the Law (which the true believers of Yahweh did, except the laws nullified by Jesus - f.x. "it is not what goes into a man's mouth and the out again which makes a man unclean" nullifying food prohibitions - or by Yahweh - f.x. Peter's vision in Acts 10/9-20, nullifying rules for segregation and perhaps also once more for food*), the Gospel (which the true believers did*), and all the revelations that was sent to them from their Lord (which the true believers did*) - - -". The main thing here is that the Bible means Yahweh when it talks about "the Lord", whereas the Quran means Allah. But no god like Allah, no holy book similar to the Quran, and no religion similar to Islam are ever documented in the region until after 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission. This is both a Biblical and a historical fact.

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

205 5/66b: "- - - right - - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

206 5/66c: "- - - many of them (the followers of Yahweh*) follow a course that is evil". According to the Bible no true follower of Yahweh is on a course that is evil - but a number of others do.

207 5/67a: "O Messenger (Muhammad*)!" See 4/115b above. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

208 5/67b: "O Messenger (Muhammad*)! Proclaim the (message) which hath been sent - - -". See 2/285b above.

209 5/67c: "O Messenger (Muhammad*)! Proclaim the (message) which hath been sent thee (Muhammad*) from thy Lord (Allah*)". No god ever sent a message as full of errors, contradictions, etc. like the Quran.

Also see 45/13a below.

210 5/67d: "- - - His (Allah's*) Mission - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists and in addition is something powerful, good or bad.

211 5/67e: "For Allah guideth not those who reject Faith (Islam*)". Allah can guide exactly nobody unless he exists, and few unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved - and also nobody in a reliable way if he or anyone else uses a guidebook as full of mistakes, errors, etc., and clearly not from a god (an omniscient god does not make mistakes) as the Quran.

212 5/68a: "It is the Revelation (the Quran*) - - -" See 2/285b above.

213 5/68b: "It is the Revelation (the Quran*) that cometh to thee (Muhammad*) from thy Lord (Allah*) - - -". No god ever sent a message as full of errors, contradictions, etc. like the Quran.

Also see 45/13a below.

214 5/68c: "- - - their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy - - -". Not just meant to promote friendship between "us" and "them". (A well known method of ruling: "Divide and rule").

215 5/68d: "- - - blasphemy - - -". See 5/64e above.

216 5/68e: "But sorrow thou (Muhammad*) not over (these) people (non-Muslims*) without Faith". Compare this to Jesus' words about f.x. "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), or even "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13). Or to Jesus words: "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. - - - For I have not come to call the righteous, but the sinners" (Matt. 9/12-13). No further comment necessary - but proofs for at least different gods and different religions.

##217 5/69a: "Those who believe (in the Quran), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabeans and the Christians - any who believes in Allah (here meant to include Yahweh*) and the Last Day, and work righteousness - on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve". This is one of the few places which indicate that also Jews, Christians, and Sabeans have a chance to come to Paradise.

218 5/69b: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

219 5/71a: "- - - Allah - - -". It is both a Biblical and a historical (reaching back some 3ooo years) fact the Israelite's/Jew's god was Yahweh, not Allah. No god like Allah and no religion like Islam was ever cherished/practiced by the Jews/Jews - and no book similar to the Quran traced - in historical times, which in those regions started may be around or shortly after 1000 BC - not until the Arab Muslims conquered the area after Muhammad's death.

220 5/71b: "- - - Allah (in mercy) - - -". As for Allah's mercy: Take a look on the reality behind the surahs from Medina.

221 5/72a: "They do blaspheme who say: 'God is Christ (Jesus*) - - -'". No Christian says this - all Christians know the difference between God/Yahweh and Jesus - there is a difference between the king and the rest of the royal family. Any god knows the same. But Muhammad did not understand this. Then who made the Quran?

222 5/72b: "- - - Christ (Jesus*) the son of Mary - - -". See 4/157c above.

223 5/72c: "Worship Allah, my (Jesus*) Lord and your (Jews'/Christians'*) Lord". If Jesus had said this, he for one thing had got few if any followers, and for another thing the Jewish clergy had had him killed much earlier - this was a period when the religion was strong among the Jews, and preaching about the pagan god al-Lah/Allah from a neighboring country, had not been acceptable. This quote is made by someone who did not know the religious and political situation in Israel at the time of Jesus.

224 5/72d: "Whoever joins gods with Allah - - -". At least when it comes to the followers of Yahweh, they do not join gods with Allah, or "besides Allah" like the Quran often says - they simply do not believe he exists (well, many are not better informed than they believe in Muhammad's never proved - and documented wrong - claim that Allah is the same god as Yahweh, but Allah in case was a very twisted and wrong image of Yahweh). And actually it is the same for other religions - there are no non-Muslim religions believing in Allah, so they do not "join other gods" with him, but have one or more gods INSTEAD OF Allah. Another fact is that if Allah does not exist, it is not possible to join anything with him, included other gods - - - and there nowhere was or is any proof or even clear indication for the existence of Allah - only Muhammad's words, and Muhammad was a man with a very doubtful moral and reliability, but with much to gain from making people believe in his new religion and platform of power.

225 5/72e: "- - - Allah will forbid him (a non-Muslim*) the Garden (Paradise*) - - -". This is impossible for Allah to do unless he exists and is a major god.

226 5/72f: "- - - the Garden (the Quran's Paradise*) - - -". See 5/85c below.

227 5/72g: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". See 2/21b above.

228 5/73a: "- - - Trinity - - -". Muhammad never understood the Trinity - he even believed it consisted of Yahweh, Jesus, and Mary, instead of Yahweh, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. But there is a chance that Muhammad here was right - hardly in that it is blasphemy, but that it is wrong, as the Trinity is not part of the Bible, but decided on by Christian bishops. etc. (In Nicaea they agreed on that Yahweh and Jesus were "of the same being" - the Holy Spirit later added into the expression "three 'persons', one being". The dogma got its present form late in the fourth century under "the Cappadocia Fathers" - Basil of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Naziansus. This dogma may be based - at least partly - on Jesus' words that Yahweh and he was one + om f.x. Paul in 2. Cor. 17+18 saying: "- - - the Lord is the Spirit - - -".)

But it is very clear from the Bible that Jesus said that he and his father (Yahweh) was one - perhaps symbolically meant.

We may add that the trinity formally is a central detail in Christian teaching, but only a detail, and only a formality. If it should turn out that the Trinity is wrong, it would reduce Jesus a little but not much, and it would have no effect on the basic points of the religin.

229 5/73b: "- - - blasphemy - - - blasphemers - - -". A parallel to 5/72a above.

230 5/74a: "Why turn they (Christians*) not to Allah - - -". Because Christians honestly believe Allah is a false and made up god - though most of them does not know that he originally was a pagan Arab god before Muhammad dressed him up (though some of the old Arabs already then thought he might be the same god as Yahweh, and some also used the name Allah - Muhammad was not really an original thinker there, too).

231 5/74b: "- - - seek His (Allah's*) forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

232 5/74c: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". These - and similar - are claims you frequently meet in the Quran. But the fact is that Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a major god - which the Bible indirectly but clearly denies, and as for being merciful; please read the surahs from Medina and see how merciful he really is - - - if he exists. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran. And as for mercy: Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, the unjust parts of the sharia laws, etc. - how much real mercy do you find behind the sometimes big words? Whenever there is discrepancy between nice words and reality, we believe in the reality.

The superlatives at the same time are some - here 2 - of Allah's claimed 99 names.

233 5/75a: "Christ (Jesus*), the son of Mary - - -". See 4/157c above.

234 5/75b: "Christ (Jesus*), the son of Mary, was no more than a Messenger - - -". Muhammad had to claim this - as normal for him never proved - because if not nobody would believe Muhammad was the greatest ever of messengers/prophets, like Muhammad wanted to be.

Another point: AS THE QURAN IN 21/91a CONFIRMS THAT IT WAS THE GOD WHO CREATED JESUS INSIDE MARY, HOW WAS/IS IT THEN POSSIBLE FOR MUHAMMAD, THE QURAN, ISLAM, AND MUSLIMS TO CLAIM THE GOD WAS NOT JESUS' FATHER?? THE ONE CREATING A BABY INSIDE A WOMAN, IS THE FATHER.

235 5/75c: "They both (Mary and Jesus*) had to eat their (daily) food". This naive sentence is meant as a proof for that they could not be divine (remember Muhammad believed Mary was part of the Trinity). But living in a human body, it is not strange that Jesus' body needed food. Also remember that according to the Bible the 2 angels and Yahweh himself in human bodies visiting Abraham, ate food (1. Mos. 18/1-8).

We may add that the trinity formally is a central detail in Christian teaching, but only a detail, and only a formality. If it should turn out that the Trinity is wrong, it would reduce Jesus a little but not much, and it would have no effect on the basic points of the religin.

236 5/75d: "- - - his (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

237 5/75e: "- - - deluded - - -". Who are most deluded of the ones blindly believing in a book so full of errors and worse that no god ever was involved in it, or the ones able to see at least some of the errors, and understand what they mean?

238 5/75f: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

239 5/76a: "Will ye (people*) worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power neither to harm nor benefit you?". According to the Bible the only god which may harm or benefit you is Yahweh, not Allah. Besides Allah has never proved he has any power - lots of claims and words, but that is all. Also see 5/72d above.

240 5/76b: "But Allah - He it is that heareth and knoweth things". Not unless he at least exists.

241 5/77a: "- - - the truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

242 5/77b: "- - - went wrong - - -". See 2/21b above.

243 5/77c: "- - - (non-Muslims*) who mislead many - - -". There is an ironical fact here: The Quran with all its errors, contradictions, etc. is not from any god. Then who is misleading people?

244 5/77d: "- - - the even way". See 5/60e above.

245 5/78a: "Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith (Islam), by the tongue of David, and of Jesus - - -". At the time of David we are in the outskirts of written history in that area, but there is not mentioned neither something like the Quran, nor a god like Allah, nor a religion like Islam. And for Jesus we are well inside the times of written history in the Roman Empire. There flatly was nothing like the Quran, no god similar to Allah, and no religion similar to Islam.

246 5/78b: "- - - Jesus, the son of Mary - - -". See 4/157c above.

247 5/79a: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

248 5/79b: "- - - evil indeed were the deeds which they (the Jews*) did". Comment like 5/68c above.

294 5/80a: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

250 5/80b: "- - - Allah's wrath - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists - and is of little or no consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

251 5/81a: "- - - the Prophet (Muhammad*) - - -" See 4/78c above and 7/157e - and the other comments under 7/157 - below.

Beware that some Muslims claim the word "prophet" here refers to Moses, and the Quran often is vague, so it is possible this is correct just here. But Muhammad's Allah was an unknown god until Muhammad started to preach about him in 610 AD.

252 5/81b: "- - - what hath been revealed (the Quran*) to him (Muhammad*) - - -". See 2/285b above.

253 5/81c: "- - - never would they (good Muslims*) have taken them (non-Muslims*) for friends or protectors - - -". See 5/51a above.

254 5/81d: "- - - most of them (non-Muslims*) are rebellious wrongdoers". Good slander for a leader who wish to strengthen the coherence of his group. Also see 5/51a above. One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims.

255 5/81e: "- - - wrongdoers". See 2/21b above.

256 5/83a: "And when they (Christians*) listen to the revelation (the Quran*) received by the Messenger (Muhammad*), thou (Muslims'*) wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: they pray: 'Our Lord (here intended Allah*)! We believe, write us down among the witnesses". This is not even propaganda, but al-Taqiyya - - - but all the same good propaganda if the listeners were uninformed and/or naive enough to believe it. The reality is that most Christians without problems saw that things were very wrong in Muhammad's teaching and abhorred his new religion.

257 5/83b: "- - - revelation (the Quran*) - - -". See 2/285b above.

258 5/83c: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 4/115b above. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

259 5/83d+84b: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

260 5/84a: "What cause can we (people*) have not to believe in Allah - - -?". Read the Quran and you find literally far more than a thousand reasons (errors, contradictions, etc. proving the book is not from a god), then read the Bible and you find a lot more possible errors in the Quran (the fact that much of what Muhammad claims it says, is not what it says).

261 5/84c: "- - - righteous - - -". See 2/21b above.

262 5/85a: "- - - prayer - - -". See 4/77a above.

263 5/85b: "- - - Allah hath rewarded them (Christians turned Muslims*) with Gardens - - -". Impossible unless Allah exists and is a god, neither of which is in any way documented (on the contrary especially the reality behind the Quran and all its errors, etc. most strongly indicates Allah is a made up pagan god).

264 5/85c: "- - - Gardens (Paradise*), with rivers flowing underneath - - -". The Quran's Paradise is a poor, uneducated, naive desert warrior's ultimate dream about a king's lazy luxury life, included lots of women. The Bible's Paradise is by far more worthy a god. The difference between the two Paradises is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their paradise had been one and the same.

265 5/85d: "- - - do good". See 2/21b above.

266 5/86a: "But those (non-Muslims*) who reject Faith and belie Our (Allah's*) Signs - they shall be Companions of Hell-fire (= end in Hell*)". According to the Bible it is the ones not believing in Yahweh who are to end in Hell - and the Bible also indirectly, but very clearly tells that the followers of (the according to the Bible and according also to the realities around the Quran, not existing god) Allah are among those.

267 5/86b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

268 5/87: "- - - the good things which Allah hath made lawful for you (Muslims*) - - -". As no book of a quality like the Quran with all its errors, etc. is from any god, then who made things lawful or unlawful in the Quran? - and how binding are such laws?

269 5/88a: "Eat of the things which Allah hath provided - - -". Allah has provided exactly nothing unless he exists and is a god - neither of which was ever proved.

270 5/88b: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why so when the reality behind the Quran and the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, except in the mouth of Muhammad, in praxis proves that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

#####271 5/89a: "Allah will not call you (Muslims*) to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths (= pay expiation afterward if you all the same swear false*) - - -". Compare this to f.x. Matt 5/33-37! This is one of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same gods - and Jesus and Muhammad are serving neither the same god nor the same - or even similar - religion.

Points like this also tell lots about the moral code, etc. in the religion.

272 5/89b: "- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

273 5/91a: "Satan's plan - - -". Satan is an interesting being in the Quran, because one of the main theories for who made the Quran, is that it is made by Satan - a number of points in the Quran and in Islam's moral code, etc. may indicate this. And a lot of what Muhammad did and of what Muslims did - and some do even nowadays - was and is sin according to all normal moral codes and according to most religions - f.x. raping captive women, is "good and lawful" according to the Quran. Muslims still boast about many of the horror deeds done by their forefathers, and use it as alluring samples for the young generation and others. This quote is thought provoking. 

Is it the Muslims who walks on sinful roads doing sinful acts "somebody" (f.x. Satan or the war- and hatemonger, robber baron and later warlord Muhammad*) has made alluring to them in his plan? - like stealing/looting, raping, slave taking, extorting, suppressing, murdering, and other things very alluring to primitive, uneducated warriors not knowing the word "compassion" or similar words.

274 5/91b: "- - - prayer - - -". See 4/77a above.

275 5/92a: "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". A very clear order - any dictator would like such an order from his claimed god. Note the difference between Muhammad and Jesus: Jesus said "follow me" - the two were worlds apart morally, etc. (and the same go for their gods and their religions).

This also is a strengthened version of Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his god and platform of power.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

276 5/92b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". No omniscient god ever had a real messenger preaching so many mistaken facts, other mistakes, contradictions, etc.

277 5/92c: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 4/115b above. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

278 5/92d: "- - - (the Message (the Quran*)) - - -". As the Quran with all its mistakes, etc. is not from any god, then from who is the claimed message?

279 5/93a: "- - - deeds of righteousness - - - evil - - - good - - -". See 2/21b above.

280 5/93b: "For Allah loveth those who do good". This is one of the cases where the word "love" is used in the Quran. But we must point to that the reality in the Quran contradicts this word here - and we remind you that words are cheap, especially for a man like Muhammad believing in the use of dishonesty as working tools, whereas reality normally is more reliable. The ones Allah really loves, are the willing and ferocious warriors - fighting and stealing and robbing and raping and taking slave and murdering, etc. - those for one thing have the easiest road to the Quran's Paradise, and for another go to the best part of it, Firdaws.

On the other hand perhaps the Quran is telling the truth in its own often inhuman ways, as such behavior according to the Quran, is to do good for Allah and Muhammad.

But Allah can love nobody unless he exists.

281 5/93c: "- - - do good". See 2/21b above.

€€€282 5/94-97: Not from the Bible - like so much more in the Quran. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

283 5/94: "Allah doth but make a trial of you (Muslims*) - - -". Impossible unless he exists and is something supernatural, white of black. Besides: If he is omniscient, why then does he have to test anybody at all?

284 5/95a: "- - - the Sacred Precincts - - - Kabah - - -". The mosque Kabah in Mecca is the most holy place on Earth according to Allah/the Quran. For Yahweh the place is so totally uninteresting that he does not even bother to have it mentioned in the Bible. Neither Allah nor Mecca, nor Medina, nor Muhammad, nor Jihad (holy war), nor Hajj, and nor a lot of other things of claimed value for Allah is mentioned in the Bible. Yes, not one of the old Biblical prophets - included Abraham, Moses, and Jesus - ever even uttered a wish for going there for Hajj or for anything else?

One of the many strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not representing the same god. One of the really strong proofs.

Also see 2/191c above and 48/27d below and not least 22/26a below. And see 2/125e in http://www.1000mistakes.com.

285 5/95b: "- - - Allah forgiveth - - -". The fact is that Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a major god - which the Bible indirectly but clearly denies, and which the reality behind the Quran more or less prove the Bible right on this point. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

286 5/95c: "- - - Allah is Exalted - - -". According to the Bible only Yahweh is exalted.

287 5/95d: "- - - Allah is - - - Lord of Retribution". Impossible unless he exists and is a god.

288 5/96a: "- - - the Sacred Precincts - - -". See 5/95a above.

289 5/96b: "- - - in pilgrim garb - - -". Nowhere in the Bible there is a demand neither for pilgrimage nor for pilgrim garb - 2 more strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and for that Jesus and Muhammad neither were serving the same god, nor the same religion. (Catholic Christians believe in pilgrimages, but that is a human idea, not a demand from the Bible.)

290 5/96c: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why so when the reality behind the Quran and the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, in practice proves that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

291 5/96d: "- - - Allah, to Whom ye (people*) shall be gathered back". According to the Bible one will be gathered back to Yahweh, not to Allah.

292 5/97a: "- - - Kabah - the Sacred House - - -". See 5/95a above. Also see 2/191c above and 48/27d below and not least 22/26a below. And see 2/125e in http://www.1000mistakes.com.

293 5/97b: "- - - the Sacred Months - - -". A tradition - one of many - taken over from the old Pagan times in Arabia. No other of the large religions have such holy months - funny how many things the pagan old Arabs had correct, but nobody else, according to Allah. There were 4 such months (number 1, 7, 11, 12 in the artificial Muslim Year), when f.x. fighting and war was not permitted - but the Muslims broke it at least once. Muhammad afterwards - as normal - got a "revelation" which sanctified the breaking. By the way: Hajj - pilgrimage - is in month number 12, but beware that the Muslim year is a little - ca. 11 days - shorter than the natural year, and thus it wanders along the normal year over a period of ca. 33 years. 100 normal years = ca. 103 Muslim years. (As the expression here is in singular, the book just here may indicate the month of pilgrimage only.)

One more at least 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god - if they had been, a central point like this - war and armed strife prohibited 4 months a year - had been similar.

294 5/97c: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with all things". Not if he made the Quran.

295 5/98a: "- - - Allah is strict in punishment - - -". Impossible unless he exists, and of little consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural - watch out if he belongs to the dark forces.

296 5/98b: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 5/74 above.

Just to mention it: The Quran tells Allah has 99 names, and these are some of them, the names generally are descriptions in superlative - Most Kind, Most Merciful, Most High, Most Kind, Most Gracious, etc., but also names like f.x. Oft Forgiving, etc.

Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the cheap, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve?

297 5/99a: "The Messenger's (Muhammad's*) duty is but to proclaim (the Message (the Quran*))". Hypocrisy - at this time (632 AD) Muhammad was as much an enforcer as a preacher.

298 5/99b: "- - - (the Message (the Quran*)) - - -". As the Quran with all its mistakes, etc. is not from any god, then from who is the claimed message?

299 5/99c: "- - - Allah knoweth all - - -". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

300 5/100a: "- - - bad - - - good - - -". See 2/21b above.

301 5/100b: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why so when the reality behind the Quran and the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, in practice proves that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

302 5/100c: "- - - ye (people*) that understand - - -". Who are and who are not understanding? The ones believing Muhammad? The ones instead believing f.x. in Yahweh? The ones who were/are able to understand that something like the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc. impossibly could come from a god? The ones who in addition were/are able to see that a god is a good and convenient platform of power for many a self proclaimed prophet. Also see 16/67 below.

###303 5/101a: "(Muslims:*) Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble". This is a peculiar one: No Muslim shall ask questions about things where the truth may be disturbing!!! F.x. do not ask questions about questionable points in the Quran or Islam or about Muhammad's authority - blind belief is better than to find out that things may be wrong and the religion invalid!!!.

It is better not to risk doubting Muhammad and his Quran no matter how right or wrong they are, than to check and find real truths. Believe it or not, but this is among other things this sentence orders. Belief in Muhammad and his Quran is more essential than to find out if it is the truth or not. Better not to know, and then take the consequences if the promised next life is different from described in the Quran.

Just for the record: Like so much else in the Quran this is not from the Bible. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

304 5/101b: "- - - the Quran is being revealed - - -". See 2/285b above.

305 5/101c: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing". These - and similar - are claims you frequently meet in the Quran. But the fact is that Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a major god - which the Bible indirectly but clearly denies, and the realities around the Quran the same. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran. And forbearance? Please read the surahs from Medina and see how much real forbearance you find even in this world, especially towards non-Muslims - - - if he exists.

The superlatives at the same time are some - here 2 - of Allah's claimed 99 names.

306 5/102: A parallel to 5/101a-c above.

307 5/103a: "- - - blasphemers - - -". There is no blasphemy in doubting Allah if he does not exist.

308 5/103b: "- - - Wisdom". Does blind belief in a book as full of mistaken facts, other mistakes, contradictions, etc. indicate wisdom? 

309 5/104a: "- - - what Allah hath revealed - -". No god has revealed a book of a quality like the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc. See 2/285b above.

Also see 45/13a below.

310 5/104b: "- - - revealed - - -". See 2/285b above.

311 5/104c: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 4/115b above. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

####312 5/104d: "- - - they (pagan Arabs*) say: 'Enough for us are the ways we found our fathers following". Irony: That is exactly what Muslims in practice said and say - there is no proof and not even a reliable indication anywhere for the existence of Allah, only the fathers saying that the words of the morally doubtful and the believer in dishonesty and deceit as working tools, Muhammad, must be true, because our fathers told us so. That is all there is to Islam.

And "what is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion. 

Also see 5/104e just below. 

###313 5/104e: "What! Even though their fathers were void of knowledge and guidance!" This is just and correct a description of the first Muslims and Muslim fathers - uneducated, naive, but liking robbery, rape. extortion - and perhaps having wishful thinking. And as for guidance - please read the Quran and judge for yourself; full of wrong facts, other errors, contradiction, etc. - - - some guidance! Also see 5/104d just above and 22/3a below.

314 5/104f: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 22/3a below.

315 5/105a: "- - - right guidance - - -". See 5/104e just above.

315 5/105b: "- - - astray - - -". Who are most astray of the ones blindly believing in a book so full of errors and worse that no god ever was involved in it, or the ones able to see at least some of the errors, and understand what they mean?

Also see the sinister 34/50a below.

317 5/105c: "The goal of you all (Muslims*) is to Allah - - -". According to the Bible it ought to be to Yahweh, not to Allah.

318 5/105d: "- - - the truth - - -" See 2/26 above.

319 5/108a: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why so when the reality behind the Quran and the real fact that Allah never in any way or any place or any time has manifested himself, in praxis proves that he does not exist, or at least is no major god?

320 5/108b: "- - - listen (to His (Allah's*) counsel (the teaching of the Quran*)) - - -". As the Quran with all its mistakes, etc. is not from any god - at least not a knowledgeable one - then from who are the counsels in the Quran? - and are they worth anything? As said: The Quran and all its mistakes and worse (the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) prove 100% and more that it was not from a god. Then remain only 3 alternatives:

1): The dark forces. (A number of immoral and inhuman points in the Quran may indicate this.

2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Modern medical science suspects this.

3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's. All the mistakes in the Quran believed to be correct science at the time of Muhammad, plus f.x. the fact that all material in the book is from Arabia and neighboring area strongly indicates this - perhaps combined with alternative 2. And also all the times Allah(?) helped Muhammad with f.x. family problems, indicate the same.

Also see 45/13a below.

321 5/108c: "- - - Allah guideth not rebellious people". Allah guides nobody unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved - something the Bible indirectly, but very clearly tells he does is not.

€€€322 5/109-119: Nothing of this is from the Bible. On the contrary much of it directly is contradicted by the Bible.

323 5/109a: "- - - Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

324 5/109b: "- - - it is Thou (Allah*) Who knowest in full all that is hidden". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Another fact: According to the Bible only Yahweh knows everything.

325 5/109c: "- - - it is Thou (Allah*) Who knowest in full all that is hidden". If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

326 5/110a: "- - - Jesus the son of Mary - - -". See 4/157c above.

###327 5/110b: "- - - the holy spirit - - -". This is one of the few places in the Quran where the Holy Spirit clearly is mentioned. (The Holy Spirit - ruh al-qudus in Arab - is mentioned or likely mentioned in these verses: 2/87, 2/253, 4/171, 5/110, 15/29, 16/102, 17/85, 21/90, 38/72, 58/22, 66/12, 70/4, 78/38, 97/4,and is perhaps referred to in 26/193 and 40/15. (The expression "ruh al-qudus" - which is directly translated to "the Holy Spirit - you will find in 2/87, 2/253, 5/110, and 16/102)We may also mention that because Muhammad claimed that the angel Gabriel brought messages to him, and also that sometimes the Holy Spirit brought him messages, Muslims often claims that the Holy Spirit just is another name for Gabriel, but this is not said in the Quran - and from the Biblical texts such a claim is impossibility. It is unclear in the Bible what the Holy Spirit really is, but it is very clear it is something much more than an angel. Also see 78/38b - if the Holy Spirit = an angel, 78/38b has wrong grammar. And the Quran has no mistakes?) But Muhammad was not aware of its real position in the Bible - and he also believed the Trinity consisted of Yahweh, Jesus, and Mary(!)

We may add that the trinity formally is a central detail in Christian teaching, but only a detail, and only a formality. If it should turn out that the Trinity is wrong, it would reduce Jesus a little but not much, and it would have no effect on the basic points of the religin.

#328 5/110c: "Behold, I (Allah*) taught thee (Jesus*) - - - the Gospel". This is one of the really great one, because the Gospels (there are 4, not 1) did not exist at the time of Jesus. The oldest ones are from ca. 65 AD or maybe a few years earlier. which means some 30 years after Jesus died. There is a chance there once existed an older one, but in case just a few years older - after all a Gospel means the history of Jesus' life, teaching, death, resurrection, and ascension to Heaven, and could not be written until after things had happened. Remember here that the Gospels were written by humans, and thus the claim cannot be explained by Muslims' pet explanation: Allah knew what was going to happen - human writers cannot write a history until after things have happened. There simply was no Gospel until some 30 years (or say 10 - 25 if there once existed an older one which some ones claim) after Jesus' death.

Remember here a mentioned fact most Muslims do not know, and which their mullahs, imams, scholars, etc. do not tell them: A gospel is the story of Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and assent ion to Heaven, and could not be written until after all this had happened.

329 5/110d: We especially mention that the legend about Jesus and the clay bird made live, is not from the Bible. There also is nothing similar to it in the Bible - and you bet his followers had not forgotten such a miracle if it had been true.

#330 5/110e: "- - - and thou (Jesus*) healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My (Allah's*) leave. And behold, thou bringest forth (resurrect*) the dead, by My leave". Here the Quran confirms that Jesus made miracles - and also Jesus said he got his power from his god, though from Yahweh, not from Allah. Who are likely to be the greatest of prophets - the one who was able to prove his words and powers and also his ability to prophesy, or the one who only had claims and nothing but loose words and claims to show for himself? There have been thousands of "prophets" with big claims only through the times, but only very few ones able to heal the born blind, the lepers, etc., not to mention resurrect dead ones.

331 5/110f: "- - - the unbelievers among them (people*) said: 'this is nothing but evident magic'". Note how often in the Quran the stories of prophets or claimed prophets are twisted to become parallels to Muhammad's own story - and thus "confirming" that Muhammad was a normal prophet.

332 5/111a: "- - - inspired - - -". A parallel to 4/163 above.

333 5/111b: "We (Jesus disciples*) have faith, and thou (Jesus*) bear witness that We bow to Allah as Muslims". It should be unnecessary to mention that this is not from the Bible. But we point to that this most have been told by someone not knowing the situation in Israel around 30 - 33 AD. If Jesus had tried to speak about Allah - or al-Lah which was his name at that time (the name Allah was also used before Muhammad took it over, but likely not this early) - and told the Jews to believe in this god from a neighboring country, he for one thing had got very few followers, as the Mosaic religion and Yahweh were strong in Israel at that time, and for another thing the religious leaders in case had had excuses to have him killed long before. It is a historical fact that there was no book like the Quran, no god like Allah, no religion like Islam, and no believers like Muslims known anywhere in the Roman Empire, not to mention in what is now Israel, at that time (and not for at least some 1ooo years before - historical fact).

334 5/112a: "- - - Jesus the son of Mary - - -". See 4/157c above.

335 5/112b: "Said Jesus: 'Fear Allah, if ye have faith'". No comments necessary for anyone who has ever read the Bible with an open mind, but we can add: See 5/111 above. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often.)

It is a historical fact that no book similar to the Quran, no god similar to Allah, and no religion similar to Islam was known in the entire Roman Empire at that time - and not centuries before or after in that area or anywhere else.

€€€336 5/112-115: The tale about the table of viands is not from the Bible. Some Muslims think it is inspired by the Lord's Prayer ("Give us today our daily bread" - Matt. 6/11). More likely it is a twisting of the Last Supper. But in any case it is wrong according to the Bible, and there also is nothing similar there. From where is it?

337 5/113: "- - - that we (Jesus' disciples*) ourselves may be witness to the miracle". An invalid argument, as the disciples according to the Bible - and the Quran - had been witnesses to lots of miracles, some of which were far more fundamental and dramatic than a play like this.

338 5/114a: "- - - Jesus the son of Mary - - -". See 4/157c above.

339 5/114b: "- - - a Sign from Thee (here intended to be Allah*) - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 above.

340 5/115: "Allah said - - -". According to the Bible and according to historical facts the god of the Jews at that time, and hence of Jesus, was Yahweh, not Allah. In addition: Allah could say just nothing, unless he existed. And just to remind you: This story is not from the Bible - from where is it?

341 5/116a: "- - - Jesus the son of Mary - - -". See 4/157c above.

342 5/116b: "Worship me (Jesus*) and my mother as gods - - -". Here we are back to the Trinity, which Muhammad for one thing never understood, and for another thing believed consisted of Yahweh, Jesus, and Mary, instead of what the Christian dogma says: Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. (But it must be mentioned that the Trinity nowhere is clearly mentioned in the Bible, but is defined by Christian church leaders - see 5/73a above).

We may add that the trinity formally is a central detail in Christian teaching, but only a detail, and only a formality. If it should turn out that the Trinity is wrong, it would reduce Jesus a little but not much, and it would have no effect on the basic points of the religin.

343 5/116c: "Worship me (Jesus*) and my mother as gods - - -". There only is one god in Christianity: Yahweh, also named God.

344 5/116d: "- - - Thou (here intended to mean Allah*) - - knowest in full all that is hidden". Not if he made the Quran and all its mistakes. And: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test and test and test people? - what can he learn from it when he knows all the answers on beforehand?

345 5/116-117: This "scene" is not from the Bible - and there is nothing similar there. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

346 5/117: "Worship Allah, my (Jesus'*) Lord and your (people's*) Lord - - -". Comment similar to 5/112b above.

347 5/118a: "- - - forgive - - -". The plain fact is that Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a major god - which the Bible indirectly but clearly denies, and as for being forbearing; please read the surahs from Medina and see how merciful he really is - - - if he exists. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran. And forbearance? Please read the surahs from Medina and see how much real forbearance you find even in this world, especially towards non-Muslims.

348 5/118b: "- - - Thou (Allah*) art the Exalted in Power, the Wise". According to the Bible Yahweh disagrees.

349 5/119a: "- - - truthful - - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

350 5/119b: "- - - theirs (Muslims'*) are Gardens, with rivers flowing beneath - - -". The Quran's Paradise is the poor and naive and uneducated desert dwellers dream of a royal luxury life with a great harem in addition (Paradise is for men mainly in the Quran), the Bible's Paradise is that you "will be like the angels in heaven" (Matt. 22/30). This is one of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not serving the same god.

One point the Quran never explains, is how it is possible for you to have your family around you like the Quran promises, if not all of them qualifies for the same heaven or garden? Your son and daughter qualify for garden number 1 and 3 respectively, your wife for number 2, whereas you yourself were killed in the Battle of Tours in 732 AD and qualify for Firdaws. How to collect your family around you, like the Quran states is a fact?

We may add that we know which Paradise we would prefer if we had the choice - and which one is most worthy an omniscient and omnipotent god. (Allah's is quite a primitive one and over the centuries and more also a very boring one).

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

351 5/119c: "- - - their (Muslims'*) eternal home (Paradise*) - - -". But 11/107a and 11/108 may indicate that the Quran's Paradise is not quite for ever. For a comparison: There is no doubt that according to the Bible Yahweh's Paradise is for always.

352 5/120: "To Allah doth belong the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*)and the earth, and all that is therein, and it is He who hat power over all things (if he exists*)". According to the Bible Yahweh disagrees.

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This work was uploaded with assistance from M. A. Khan, the author of Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery, and the editor of islam-watch.org website.