Bible versus Quran: 1000+ Differences & Contradictions -- Surah 4


The Quran: Its Divergence from the Bible

Surah 4: An-Nisa (The Women)

Medina 626 AD.

001 4/1a: "Reverence (Allah*) - - -". What for if he does not exist and/or for other reasons is not a god, like the Bible indirectly but, very clearly says (as it says that Yahweh is the only god), and like the Quran with all its mistaken facts and other errors, contradictions, invalid logic, helpless language (except the linguistics - which was polished by the best brains in Islam for some 250 years (ca. 650 - 900 AD), etc, - even a few(?) lies - give strong circumstantial proofs for that Allah never was. Add the facts about the reliability of Muhammad and the fact that Allah nowhere in the entire world or in the whole history of man has manifested himself in any way - Islam had screamed about it if there had been even one proved case - and you have empirical proofs beyond any reasonable or unreasonable doubt (though not beyond blindness, wishful thinking, or fanatics) for that he does not exist, and never did. Until Islam shows at least one valid proof, Allah is just a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of mistakes and worse (the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) to be from any omniscient god.

002 4/1b: "- - - your (people's*) Guardian-Lord (Allah*) - - -". According to the Bible, the name is Yahweh not Allah.

003 4/1c: "- - - Allah ever watches over you (people*) - - -". Impossible unless he exists and is a god, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

004 4/2a: "- - - orphans - - -". Muhammad often talks about taking care of the orphans - perhaps because he was an orphan himself (his father died before he was born, and his mother when he was 6). But the Quran's much stronger interest in orphans than in the Bible, also is an indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

005 4/2b: "- - - sin". See 2/21b above - even though in this case the possible act is a sin according also to the Bible.

006 4/3a: "- - - orphans - - -". See 4/2a above.

####007 4/3b: "- - - marry women of your choice, two or three or four - - -". One of the 200% or more proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not serving the same god. There is some polygamy in the old parts of OT - with Solomon likely on top. But in NT there exists no doubt: Monogamy - and no concubines, sex with slave women, etc. This verse is not from the Bible, and definitely not from NT.

A 200% proof for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion - and for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - Yahweh had ended polygamy, just to start it again?

008 4/3c: "- - - justly - - - injustice". Take a look at the unjust parts of the sharia laws and of the Quran's moral code. And also see 2/21b above.

009 4/4: "- - - dower - - -". This is an essential part of the wedding ritual according to the Quran. In the Bible it hardly is mentioned. The fact that such central rituals are different, is yet another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

010 4/5: "- - - justice - - -". A parallel to 4/3c above.

€€€011 4/5-10: Also this is not from the Bible - and there is nothing similar, not as a normal rule.

012 4/6a: "- - - orphans - - -". See 4/2a above.

013 4/6b: "- - - but all-sufficient is Allah in taking account". Only if he exists.

014 4/8a: "- - - orphans - - -". See 4/2a above.

015 4/8b: "- - - justice". See 2/21b and 4/3c above.

016 4/9: "- - - fear Allah - - -". A parallel to 4/1a above.

0€€€17 4/11-13: This is not from the Bible - like so much in the Quran. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

018 4/11a: "- - - to the male, a portion equal to that of two females - - -". In the Quran women are reckoned to have much lower value than men. Normally the book estimates a woman to be worth the half of a man. This is not from the Bible, and there is no similar general rule there - and it is clear Jesus respected and valid the women. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

019 4/11b: "These are settled portions (of inheritance*) ordained by Allah - - -". There is nothing similar in the Bible - another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

But as the Quran and all its mistakes are not from a god, then who really ordained this? - and what real authority do such rules from an impostor have?

020 4/11c: "- - - Allah is All-knowing - - -". Not if he sent down the Quran.

€€€021 4/11-13: This is not from the Bible - and there is no similar general idea. Also: The mathematics in these shares frequently does not add up to 1 like they should.

022 4/12a: "Thus is it (portions of inheritance*) ordained by Allah - - -". There is nothing similar in the Bible - another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

But as the Quran and all its mistakes are not from a god, then who really ordained this? - and what real authority do such rules from an impostor have?

023 4/12b: "- - - Allah is All-knowing - - -". Not if he sent down the Quran.

024 4/12c: "- - - Allah is - - - Most Forbearing". He in case is the first such god of war - if he exists and if he in case is a god.

025 4/13a: "Those are limits set by Allah - - -". A parallel to 4/12a above.

026 4/13b: "- - those who obey Allah - - - will be admitted to Gardens (Paradise*) - - -". According to the Bible not if you obey Allah, but if you obey Yahweh.

The Quran's Paradise - similar to a primitive, naive, uneducated desert warrior's dream about a king's lazy royal life among his concubines. The enormous differences between Yahweh's and Allah's paradises are a 100%+ proof for that the two gods are not the same one.

027 4/13c: "- - those who obey Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad*) will be admitted to Gardens (Paradise*) - - -". A much strengthened version of Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his god and platform of power.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

028 4/13d: "- - - obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". In the Bible Jesus told people to obey Yahweh and follow Jesus. There are many and long miles between those two meanings. One more strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad were not serving the same god. This claim also is Muhammad’s main mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

029 4/13e: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 3/81 and 3/183b above and 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

030 4/13f: "- - - Gardens - - -". The Quran's Paradise - similar to a primitive, naive, uneducated desert warrior's dream about a king's lazy royal life among his concubines. Remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

One point the Quran never explains, is how it is possible for you to have your family around you like the Quran promises, if not all of them qualifies for the same heaven or garden? Your son and daughter qualify for garden number 1 and 3 respectively, your wife for number 2, whereas you yourself were killed in the Battle of Tours in 732 AD and qualify for Firdaws. How to collect your family around you, like the Quran states is a fact?

031 4/13g: "- - - to abide therein (Paradise*) (for ever)". But 11/107a and 11/108 may indicate it is not really forever. Muslims explains this away with that it just means the resurrected there will be placed to an even better place - not too difficult as the Quran's Paradise is too primitive to be worthy of an omniscient and omnipotent god - but the Quran does not say so, which means this is a made up "explanation". There is no similar indication in the Bible.

032 4/14a: "- - - those (non-Muslims*) who disobey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) and transgress His limits shall be admitted to the Fire (Hell*) - - -". For one thing this will not happen unless Allah exists and is a god AND is correctly described in the Quran. For another according to the Bible the followers of Yahweh are safe (but perhaps not the followers of Allah, especially if he is a made up or pagan god).

033 4/14b: "- - - Allah and his Messenger - - -". This is an expression you meet many times in the Quran - it is one of Muhammad's methods to glue himself to his platform of power, his god. Jesus many times told that Yahweh was his father, but not maniacally like Muhammad and this "slogan". This claim is Muhammad’s main mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/15.

034 4/14c: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 3/81 and 3/183b above and 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

###035 4/15: "If any of your (Muhammad’s/Muslims'*) women are guilty of lewdness - - - confirm them to houses until death do claim them (= natural death*), or Allah ordain for them some (other) way". There is nothing here - or any other place in the Quran - saying that this shall be punished by capital punishment - like stoning. (There is in Hadiths for "unlawful sex", but not in the Quran - though there is a rumor in Islam about such a verse which did disappear - a goat ate some 100+ verses it says. We may add that if Allah in his decisions and predestinations made such a verse disappear, may be the reason was that he did not want that kind of punishment to be used.) Also see 4/16 just below - f.x. "repent and amend" is not mentioned as an alternative for women.

We may add that it here is unclear what lewdness ("fahishah") here means. Some Muslim scholars say it means sex outside a woman's marriage, but this in Arab is named "zina". "Fahishah" is a much wider word covering many seriously immoral deeds. As mentioned before the Quran far from always is very clear.

036 4/16a: "If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, leave them alone - - -". Note the difference between the punishment of women compared to the punishment of men (in this case likely homosexuality, as it is said "two men", but see 4/15 just above).

We may add that even though homosexuality is strongly preached against in the Quran, the practice has been quietly accepted at times and places under Islam. There exist old poetry even from top poets praising homosexuality, there were - and for what we know are - the "caravan wives" (young boys/men accompanying caravans), and at places the homosexuals have been reckoned to be "the third sex). Homosexuality often is more widespread in cultures where contact between men and women is limited and difficult.

037 4/16b: "- - - Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful". The Quran tells Allah has 99 names, and these are 2 of them. The names generally are descriptions in superlative - Most Kind, Most Merciful, Most High, Most Good, Most Gracious, etc., but also names like f.x. Oft-Forgiving, etc.

Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the easy, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve?

Besides: Please read the surahs from Medina once more - and once more skip the big glorifying words and judge from the reality like deeds, demands, introduced codes of moral and behavior, etc. (reality is much more reliable than big and cheap words). How much of f.x. real mercy, etc. do you find?

An afterthought: Also read NT and compare: Who is most merciful and most forgiving, etc. of Yahweh and Allah if both books tell the truth on this point - especially if you compare the surahs from Medina - which according to Islam's rules for abrogation are the "weightiest" ones - to NT and its New Covenant?

038 4/17a: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

039 4/17b: "- - - to them (Muslims*) Allah will turn in mercy - - -". Not possible unless he exists and is a god - and his religion is correctly described in the Quran. As for mercy see 4/16b above.

040 4/17c: "- - - Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom". Not if he made the Quran. Also see 22/3b below - an interesting one.

041 4/18a: "Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until Death faces them - - -". Here there is a marked difference between Islam and NT, where Jesus told about "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13): If there is an honest regret - not fear for the next life, but honest regret - it is never too late in this life.

042 4/18b: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

043 4/18c: "- - - nor of those (non-Muslims*) who die rejecting faith (Islam*),: for then have We (Allah*) prepared a punishment most grievous (Hell*)". Not for the non-Muslims following Yahweh, according to the Bible.

Another fact: Allah can punish nobody unless he exists, and very little unless he is something supernatural, good or bad.

#044 4/19a: "Ye (Muslims*) are forbidden to inherit women against their will". In this case it means that you are forbidden to take over women from a diseased person, and make them your wife or concubine, unless they agree to this. This prohibition of course does not count for slave women.

For Jesus this was such a matter of course, that he did not even mention it.

045 4/19b: "- - - dower - - -". This is an essential part of the wedding ritual according to the Quran. In the Bible it hardly is mentioned. The fact that such central rituals are different, is yet another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

#046 4/20a: "But if ye (Muslims*) decide to take one wife in place of another (here = divorce one woman and marry another*) - - -". One of the at least 200% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and Jesus and Muhammad not serving the same god - even though you will find some polygamy, divorces, etc. in OT, NT is very clear on that divorces are not accepted by the religion, except after the partner has committed unlawful sex.

047 4/20b: "- - - dower - - -". See 4/19 above. 

048 4/20c: "- - - wrong - - -". See 2/21b above.

€€€049 4/22-25: Also this is not from the Bible (though some of the rules are similar).

050 4/23a: "Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: your - - - sisters - - -". Abraham thus cannot have been a Muslim also for this reason - he was married to his half-sister (same father, but different mother (1. Mos. 20/12). Never mentioned by Muslims - Abraham is the greatest idol after Muhammad.

051 4/23b: "Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: - - - two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time - - -". Jacob thus cannot have been a Muslim also for this reason - his two wives, Leah and Rachel, were sisters, and he was married to both at the same time (1. Mos. 29/15-29). Never mentioned by Muslims.

052 4/23c: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful - - -". A parallel to 4/16b above.

053 4/24a: "Also (prohibited (for sex*) are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (= slaves*) - - -". You could and consequently can have sex with your slave women, which in practice also meant captive women (they more or less automatically became slaves) from raids and wars - the raids and wars had to be jihads ("holy wars") for it to be formally correct, but more or less everything was called jihad. As sex with such women was/is a right for you, the women had not the permission to say no = it was your right and no sin to rape them - Muhammad f.x. did rape captives himself (f.x. Rayhana bint Amr and Safiyya bint Huayay), and whatever Muhammad did, was and is morally correct and can be practiced by every Muslim if not specially prohibited. (This may be a reason why rape is so widespread by Muslim men in armed conflicts.)

The fact that such behavior has to be done in the name of the god, makes it - and the religion - extra disgusting.

054 4/24b: "Also (prohibited (for sex*) are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (= slaves*): thus hath Allah ordained - - -". As NT indirectly, but VERY clearly tells that Jesus said something very different about your rights to rape even your female slaves, this is a very strong proof for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion - and thus also impossibly to the same line of prophets (if Muhammad really was a prophet - he was unable to make prophesies). And as Yahweh had ended polygamy, he had to be a very undecided god to start it again, included permission to rape the women.

055 4/24c: "- - - thus hath Allah ordained - - -". As the Quran with all its errors, etc. is not from any god, who then did really ordain it? - and what real authority has it?

056 4/24d: "- - - dower - - -". This is an essential part of the wedding ritual according to the Quran. In the Bible it hardly is mentioned. The fact that such central rituals are different, is yet another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

057 4/24e: "- - - Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise". Not if he made the Quran. Also see 22/3b below - an interesting one.

058 4/25a: "- - - Allah hath full knowledge about your (Muslim's*) Faith". Not possible unless Allah exists and is a god, neither of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and he thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

059 4/25b: "- - - dower - - -". This is an essential part of the wedding ritual according to the Quran. In the Bible it hardly is mentioned. The fact that such central rituals are different, is yet another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

A small curiosum: According to A. Guillaume: "Islam", in Arab one uses the same word for "marriage" as for the sexual act. It tells something about the view on marriage in at least the older Arabia.

060 4/25c: "- - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above.

061 4/25d: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful - - -". A parallel to 4/16b above.

062 4/26a: "- - - (He (Allah*) doth wish to) turn to you (Muslims*) (in Mercy) - - -". Not possible unless he exists and is a god - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. 

063 4/26b: "- - - (- - - Mercy) - - -". See 4/16b above.

064 4/26c: "- - - Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise". Not if he made the Quran. Also see 22/3b below - an interesting one.

065 4/27: "Allah doth wish to turn to you - - -". Not possible unless he exists and is a god - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

066 4/28: "Allah doth wish to lighten your - - -". Not possible unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

###067 4/29a: "- - - nor kill (or destroy) yourself - - -". This is a verse self-murder terrorists should read, as the Quran makes no exception here for terrorist or warriors. Perhaps Allah like Yahweh dislikes that you destroy the most precious gift he has given you in this world, your life. Also see 4/30a below.

068 4/29b: "- - - for verily Allah hath been to you (Muslims*) Most Merciful!" Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the easy, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve?

Besides: Please read the surahs from Medina once more - and once more skip the big glorifying words and judge from the reality like deeds, demands, introduced codes of moral and behavior, etc. (reality is much more reliable than big and cheap words). How much of f.x. real mercy, etc. do you find?

An afterthought: Also read NT and compare: Who is most merciful and most forgiving, etc. of Yahweh and Allah if both books tell the truth on this point - especially if you compare the surahs from Medina - which according to Islam's rules for abrogation are the "weightiest" ones - to NT and its New Covenant?

###069 4/30a: "If anyone do that (f.x. kills oneself*) in rancor and injustice - soon We (Allah*) cast them into the Fire (Hell*) - - -". Self-murder terrorists at least do it in rancor against a real or fictive enemy or "enemy". If it in addition is aimed at innocent persons - and no matter the propaganda about that everybody of the opponents are guilty, that is just that - propaganda and not the truth. Nearly always at least the civilians are not guilty, and even among the few who may be guilty, nearly none have done such a big sin that it merits death penalty. And if you punish many who are not guilty at all, and the rest far worse than they deserve, and thus have been very unjust, how do you think Allah will react when you knock on the gate of Heaven? - according to this verse you quickly will be forwarded to Hell. Also see 4/29a above. And also remember that according to Hadiths if you kill innocent people, you take over their sins (and they then enter Paradise) because you robbed them for the chance to change their minds and become Muslims (or for Muslim victims; to repent their sins).

070 4/30b: "- - - and easy it is for Allah". Nothing is easy for Allah unless he exists, and nothing is very easy unless he in addition is something powerful, good or bad.

071 4/31a: "- - - heinous things - - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

072 4/31b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall - - - admit you (Muslims*) to a Gate of great honor (Paradise)". Not possible unless Allah exists, is a god, is a god large enough to have a paradise - and even then only if his religion is correctly described among all the errors in the Quran, so that he is willing to admit Muslims, or at least some of them.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

073 4/32a: "- - - Allah hath bestowed His gifts - - -". Not possible unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

074 4/32b: "- - - Allah hath bestowed His gifts more freely on some of you than on others - - -". This was Muhammad's explanation for why some was rich and some was poor: It was Allah's will.

075 4/32c: "For Allah hat full knowledge of all things". Not correct unless Allah exists and is a god, neither of which has ever been proved - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

076 4/33a: "- - - We (Allah*) have appointed shares and heirs to property left by parents and relatives". This is not from the Bible, and there also is nothing similar in that book. Besides: As the shares too often do not add up to 1, it is unlikely they have been stipulated by a god. And as the fact that all the mistakes, etc. prove that the Quran is not from a god: Who really stipulated these shares?

077 4/33b: "For truly Allah hath full knowledge of all things". See 4/32c above.

078 4/34a: This verse is not from the Bible, even though some of the points are similar.

###079 4/34b: "Men are protector and maintainers of women - - -". Very clear in the Quran, less clear in the Bible.

080 4/34c: "Men are protector and maintainers of women - - - (partly*) because they support them from their means". A rather unjust rule, as many women are well capable of supporting themselves, and in many parts of what today is the Islamic world they used to do so before Islam was introduced to them or forced on them. They did their share of the work on the farm or were saleswomen or other work. This possibility Islam to a large degree took away from the women - - - and then here explain that as they do not support themselves, they are inferior to men. Fair?

#081 4/34d: "- - - chastise them (lightly) - - -". Here the good translator, Mr. Abdullah Yusuf Ali, has modified the Quran a little - the word "lightly" is neither said, nor indicated in the original Arab text. Dishonesty is dishonesty even when the goal is to make a religion more appetizing and less repulsive.

082 4/34e: "- - - Allah is Most High, - - -". According to the Bible, Yahweh is most high. It is impossible for both books to be true on this point. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception just are built on other not proved claims (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explain away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or something else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

083 4/35a: This verse is not from the Bible - like so much in the Quran, even of "Biblical" stuff (this one is not "Biblical"). Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

084 4/35b: "- - - Allah will cause their reconciliation - - -". Impossible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

085 4/35c: "- - - for Allah hat full knowledge, and is acquainted with all things". See 4/32c above.

086 4/36a: "Serve Allah - - -". What for if he does not exist and/or for other reasons is not a god, like the Bible indirectly but very clearly says (as it says that Yahweh is the only god), and like the Quran with all its mistaken facts and other errors, contradictions, invalid logic, helpless language (except the "wrapping paper" - the linguistics - which was polished by the best brains in Islam for some 250 years (ca. 650 - 900 AD), etc, - even a few(?) lies - give empirical and strong circumstantial proofs for that Allah never was. Add the facts about the reliability of Muhammad and the fact that Allah nowhere in the entire world or in the whole history of man has manifested himself in any way - Islam had screamed about it if there had been even one proved case - and you have empirical proofs beyond any reasonable or unreasonable doubt (though not beyond blindness, wishful thinking, or fanatics) for that he does not exist, and never did. Until Islam shows at least one valid proof, Allah is just a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) to be from any omniscient god.

087 4/36b: "- - - join not partners (other gods*) with Him (Allah*) - - -". At least when it comes to the followers of Yahweh, they do not join gods/rivals with Allah, or "besides Allah" like the Quran often says - they simply do not believe he exists (well, many are not better informed than they believe in Muhammad's never proved - and documented wrong - claim that Allah is the same god as Yahweh, but Allah in case was a very twisted and wrong image of Yahweh). And actually it is the same for other religions - there are no non-Muslim religions believing in Allah, so they do not "join other gods" with him, but have one or more gods INSTEAD OF Allah. Another fact is that if Allah does not exist, it is not possible to join anything with him, included other gods - - - and there nowhere was or is any proof or even clear indication for the existence of Allah - only Muhammad's words, and the real Muhammad was a man with a very doubtful moral and reliability.

088 4/36c: "- - - do good - - -". See 2/21b above.

089 4/36d: "- - - for Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious". Allah loves - or dislikes - nobody unless he exists.

090 4/37a "- - - the bounties which Allah hath bestowed on them - - -". Your own toil counts little in the Quran - your possessions all are bestowed on you by Allah - - - something he in reality cannot do unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever)..

091 4/37b: "- - - We (Allah*) have prepared, for those (non-Muslims*) who resist Faith (Islam*), a punishment that steeps them in comment". According to the Bible it is the ones resisting Yahweh who are in for such treatment - and that in case includes most or all Muslims. Besides: Also this Allah cannot do unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

092 4/38a: "- - - (non-Muslims who*) have no faith in Allah or the Last Day - - -". Many religions believe in a Last Day/Day of Doom - f.x. the followers of Yahweh. But why believe in Allah unless a check shows that his religion at least perhaps may be true?

#093 4/38b: "- - - is any take Satan for their intimate, what a dreadful intimate he is!" Here is some unintended irony, as one of the only 3 theories for who made the Quran, just is that it is made by Satan. (A number of its rules - included moral, ethical, and judicial rules - glorifying of inhumanities, orders, etc. may indicate this - though not even a devil would send a book as full of mistakes, contradictions, etc., unless he was forced not to send anything better, as he had to know he would be found out and lose credibility sooner or later.) Also see 2/208 above.

094 4/39a: "- - - what Allah had given them (people*) for sustenance - - -". Allah had given them none of it unless he existed and was something supernatural, white of black.

095 4/39b: "For Allah hath full knowledge of them (no-good persons, perhaps former Muslims*)". See 4/32 above.

096 4/40a: "Allah is never unjust in the last degree - - -". If he does not exist, he is neither just nor unjust. According to the Bible he does not exist, as that book tells there just is one god, Yahweh.

But take a look at the Quran's moral codes and on the sharia laws. Some points are from unjust to very unjust to extremely unjust.

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

097 4/40b: "- - - good - - -". See 2/21b above.

098 4/40c: "- - - He (Allah*) doublet it (good deeds*), and giveth from His own presence a great reward". Not possible unless he exists and is a god - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. It actually only is possible if:

1. Allah exists.

2. Allah in addition is a god.

3. Allah is a great enough god to have a paradise.

4. Allah is not a good and benevolent god (but a war god like described in the Quran) - no good and benevolent god will accept not repenting thieves/looters, rapists, doers of misdeeds, suppressers, slave takers, murderers, etc.

5. Allah's religion is correctly described in spite of all the errors and worse in the Quran, and Allah thus will accept Muslims.

6. Allah does not belong to the dark forces. 

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

099 4/41: "- - - a witness - - -". Why does an omniscient god need a witness? He knows everything, but does not his listeners believe him?

100 4/42a: "On that day (of Doom*) these who reject Faith (Islam*) and disobey the Messenger will wish that the earth were made one with them - - -". A strong argument for Total Power to Muhammad. Jesus never demanded power on Earth - contrary to Muhammad who demanded to be the total dictator in this life, Jesus told that his empire was not of this world - and "Give to Caesar (the emperor*) what is Caesar's and to Yahweh what is Yahweh's" (Matt. 22/21). Muhammad demanded to be both the prophet of Allah and the emperor. Two very different persons in two very different religions

101 4/42b: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 3/81 and 3/183b above, and 7/157a-c - and the other comments under 7/157 below.

102 4/42c: "- - - but never will they (non-Muslims*) hide a single fact from Allah!" If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

103 4/43a: "- - - prayers - - -". See 4/77a below.

104 4/43b: "- - - ceremonial impurity - - -". Muhammad was keener on washing that Jesus. But the main thing was not the physical, but the ceremonial cleanliness. From other literature it seems like Muhammad was not a little superstitious, and one of the effects was that he wanted to keep bad spirits, etc. at bay - and hence one had to be ceremonial clean. (The rubbing with clean sand or earth mentioned further down in the verse, shows that it was not the physical cleanness which counted.)

105 4/43c: "- - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above.

106 4/43d: "- - - Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god - neither forgive nor punish. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

107 4/44a: "- - - those who were given a portion of the Book - - -". = Jews, Christians, and Sabeans. The Bible according to Muhammad was falsified, and its readers thus only got a part of the claimed original book, which he claimed was similar to the Quran. Also see 2/75 above and 4/47b below.

108 4/44b: "They (the ones believing in the Bible*) traffic in error - - -". According to the Bible it is the ones not believing in Yahweh who are in error. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Stratagem to avoid or circumvent legal principles or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choices, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campaigned of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguise. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

109 4/44c: "- - - the right path". According to the Bible it is the followers of Yahweh who are on the right pat. If there only is one god, and hence only one Paradise, maximum one of the two books can be correct here. A worse and perhaps stronger fact is that all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran prove the book is not from a god like it claims, and thus hardly shows the right path.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

110 4/45a: "But Allah hath full knowledge of your enemies - - -". Which does not help very much if he does not exist and can tell or help you.

111 4/45b: "Allah is enough for a Protector, and Allah is enough for a Helper". Not possible unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

112 4/46a: "We (Muslims*) hear and we obey". "Obey" was a central word for Muhammad - his followers should obey his orders. For Jesus "obey" in Muhammad's worldly meaning of the word was nearly irrelevant. Jesus according to the Bible said "follow me", and that is something entirely different. Jesus wanted to be the prophet of his religion - Muhammad to be the prophet of his religion + the undisputed emperor of his domain on Earth. Two very different persons in two very different religions. Anyone claiming that Jesus and Muhammad belonged to the same god or religion, simply does not know what they were/are talking about - or they are using an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie - one of Islam's specialties). And we remind you that we here are deep inside times of written history in this part of the Roman Empire, and know enough about the religion, the political situation, and the culture there to know it is a historical fact that there was no religion like Islam and no god like Allah there around the time of Jesus - and no book similar to the Quran.

113 4/46b: "- - - but Allah hath cursed them (Israelites/Christians*) - - -". Not unless he exists. And of little effect unless he in addition is something supernatural, good or bad.

114 4/47a: "O ye People of the Book (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*)! Believe in what We (Allah*) have (now) revealed (the Quran*) - - -". It is from difficult to impossible to believe in what you have clear proofs for is wrong. They had the Bible and knew that what it really said, all too often was different from what Muhammad claimed it said.

115 4/47b: "- - - what We (Allah*) hath now revealed (the Quran*) - - - -". No god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran.

116 4/47c: "- - - revealed - - -". Is the Quran really a revelation, and in case from whom? There never was any witness to Muhammad’s claimed inspirations - to his (TLE?) seizures, yes, to his claimed messages, no. And if there were revelations, they contained so many and often so grave mistakes that they did not come from any god. Then remain revelations from dark forces - and a number of the immoral and inhuman moral and judicial rules + the acceptance of the use of dishonesty may indicate this. Or from a mental disease - modern medical science suspects this (TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Or the last alternative: Claimed revelations from one or more human(s) (Muhammad in case is the main suspect) - all the mistakes which are in accordance with wrong knowledge believed to be true facts in Arabia at the time of Muhammad, and all the use of local folklore, legends, fairy tales, etc. in the Quran may indicate this.

Conclusion: No god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran. Then remain dark forces or the famous mental illness (TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Or: The book also can be from a cold human brain - f.x. from Muhammad himself - but in this case there were no revelations.

Also see 3/19a above and 45/13a below.

117 4/47d: "- - - confirming what was (already) with you (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) - - -". There we once more meet one of Muhammad's pet - but like normal for him never proved - claims: The Bible originally was similar to the Quran at least in content, but then bad Jews and Christians falsified it. (And thus the Quran is a confirmation of the claimed original, not falsified Bible. The claim that the Bible is falsified later is thoroughly proved wrong with strong empirical and circumstantial proofs both by science and by Islam). Muhammad also often claimed the believers in the Bible, know it is falsified, but that they prefer that version because it gives them a better life on this Earth (but without explaining how the Bible can give a better life than the revered Quran). Also see 2/75 and 2/170b above.

Muhammad also never explains how it is possible for Jews, Christians, and Sabeans to believe in a book he claims they know is falsified - believe so strongly that most of them preferred to flee or death instead of changing religion to Islam. A possible reason why he never tried to explain it, is that it is not possible to explain it - human nature and psyche make such an explanation impossible. It simply is not psychologically possible to believe in something you know is falsified.

118 4/47e: "- - - the decision of Allah - - -". - - - does not exist unless Allah exists, and are of little consequence unless he in addition is something powerful, white or black.

119 4/48a: "Allah forgiveth (not) - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

120 4/48b: "- - - partners (other gods*) - - - set up with Him (Allah*) - - -". For one thing if Allah does not exist, this is not possible - you cannot set something besides nothing. For another: This is a parallel to 4/36b above.

121 4/48c: "- - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above.

122 4/49a: "- - - Allah doth sanctify whom He pleaseth - - -". Not possible unless he exists and is a god - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. (He hardly can sanctify anyone/anything if he is belongs to the dark forces?)

123 4/49b: "But never will they (good Muslims*) fail to receive justice in the least little thing". Please read the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, the unjust parts of the sharia laws, plus 2/21b, plus the sentence "do against others like you want others do against you". What are your comments afterwards?

124 4/49c: "- - - justice - - -". See 2/21b above.

125 4/50a "How they (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) invent a lie against Allah!" Similar to 4/47d above, just with other words.

Another point: Is to blame a claimed holy book so full of mistakes and worse (the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) that it itself proves it is not from a god - is to blame such a book on Allah, a lie on him if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god?

126 4/50b: "- - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above.

127 4/51a: "- - - those who were given a portion of the Book - - -". See 2/75, 4/44a+b, and 4/47d above.

#128 4/51b: "They (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) - - - say to the Unbelievers (non-Muslims*) that they are better guided in the (right) way than the Believers (Muslims*)!" If the Bible tells the truth, they are right. They even may be right even if the Bible does not tell the truth, because all the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in the Quran proves absolutely that the Quran is from no god. Thus there is no god behind the Quran, which means that even if there should be no god behind also the Bible, the followers of the Bible are no worse off than the Muslims on that point. And then the better - sometimes far better - moral, ethical, judicial, etc. codes of the Bible compared to the Quran's, make the followers of the Bible "better guided" even then. (With "better" we here mean better for the culture, communities, and inter-human connections, and better for the individual humans directly and indirectly.)

Also see 45/13a below.

129 4/51c: "- - - Evil - - - the (right) way - - -". See 2/21b above.

130 4/52: "- - - those whom Allah hath cursed, thou (people*) will find, have no one to help". Allah's curse has no consequence unless he exists and is a major something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides: According to the Bible Yahweh is a helper for his followers - and no matter who else has cursed them. If Yahweh exists, thus here is one more mistake in the Quran.

131 4/53a: "Have they (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) a share in the dominion or power?" According to the Bible their god, Yahweh, has not a share, but all. Has Allah a proved share, or is this like the rest of the Quran's claims about him, only words and claims?

132 4/53b: "Behold, they (the followers of the Bible*) give not a farthing to their fellow-men - - -". We think it is not impolite here to mention that to help the needy is more of a good thing in NT than in the Quran. It is not institutionalized in the form of a poor-tax (of which Muhammad used far from all for the poor) like in the Quran, but the moral value is stronger stressed by Jesus than by Muhammad. In NT there also is the empathy and sympathy with the needy - in the Quran the main thing is to gain points in Heaven. (And: The "poor-tax" - zakat - was and is for different purposes, including the spreading of Islam - which with the partly exclusion of Indonesia was done by weapons - helping the poor only was/is one of its purposes.)

It also is symptomatic that most of the big help and relief organizations were started and are run by non-Muslims (mainly the Christian west), and that f.x. international relief and help after the tsunami in 2001, come more from the Christian west, than even from the rich Islamic states in the Gulf, even though the majority of the victims were Muslims. F.x. the Muslim oil states did not give real amounts until after considerable international pressure and ridicule (and the state which definitely gave most per inhabitant, was the far off, Christian and secular, Norway).

133 4/54a: "- - - what Allah has given them (mankind*) of His Bounty - - -". The old fact: Both these are zero if Allah does not exist or for other reasons is not a god. We may also remind you that "Allah's" bounty here on Earth, Muhammad and his Muslims to a large degree stole/looted from their victims, nothing was really or provably gifts from Allah

134 4/54a: "But We (Allah*) had already given the people of Abraham the Book and Wisdom". If here is meant the real people of Abraham, they lived around 1800 - 2000 years BC (though Muslims often says he was born ca. 2150 BC). It is HIGHLY unlikely nomads of that time had books or even knew how to read. Perhaps more relevant here is that for one thing there is mentioned no book at all connected to Abraham in the Bible. The oldest book mentioned in the Bible, is the small "Book of Covenance" written down by Moses around 1235 BC - some 600 - 700 years later. And as for the "Books of Moses" - the earliest parts of the Bible - according to science are from around 800 BC or later (at very earliest ca. 950 BC, which means a thousand years after Abraham, and during the reign of Solomon approximately).

But it is possible the Muhammad/the Quran here means the copy - similar to the Quran - of the claimed "Mother of the Book" which Allah is claimed to revere in his Heaven, according to Muhammad (the expression "The Book of Wisdom" or similar often means such a copy in the Quran). As the Quran is claimed to be an exact copy of the claimed Mother Book, this means this verse refers to such a copy - a twin more or less of the Quran - which Muhammad claimed was sent down to all claimed prophets and messengers all over the world and to all times, with no exception made for prophets living before man learnt how to read and write. There is no mentioning of such a book in the entire Bible, and not connected to any Biblical prophet. Also neither science nor Islam has ever been able to fine even fragments of, references to, or quotes from such a book anywhere older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission. For a comparison: One knows about some 12ooo manuscripts and fragments from the Bible and some 32ooo manuscripts or fragments with references to or quotes from the Bible, older than 610 AD. As mentioned none from the Quran, this even though originally there must have been many more Qurans than Bibles/Jewish scriptures, if Muhammad told the truth when he said a copy was sent to every prophet/messenger, and if Hadiths tell the truth when it says there were at least 124ooo prophets and messengers through the times.

Believe in the claim about the Quran being a book older than 610 AD (really a little later) if you are able to.

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

Finally it is possible Muhammad here meant the Jews, as they according to the old books are descendants of Abraham for long times had their kingdom. In this case "the Book of Wisdom" may refer to the Bible/the Jewish scriptures - - - or once more to the claimed twin of the Quran Muhammad claimed all prophets had received, but which (proved wrong) the bad Jews and Christians all had agreed on falsifying.

135 4/55: "- - - some of them (the non-Muslims*) averted their faces from him (Allah*): and enough is Hell for a burning fire (= they will end in Hell*)". Well, according to the Bible at least the followers of Yahweh are not bound for Hell.

136 4/56a: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 2/39 and 2/99a above, and 4/140b below.

137 4/56b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall soon cast (the non-Muslims*) into the Fire (Hell*) - - -". But the Bible disagrees for the ones of them following Yahweh. The fact is that according to that book, the followers of Yahweh are the only ones really safe from Hell.

138 4/56c: "- - - as often as their (non-Muslims in Hell*) skins are roast through, We (Allah*) shall change them for fresh skins - - -". The sadism is advanced in the Quran's Hell - but Allah is unable to do this unless he exists and is a god - or a devil.

139 4/56d: "- - - Allah is Exalted in Power- - -". He in case never provably has showed any exalted power. Besides according to the Bible the only one really exalted in power is Yahweh.

140 4/56e: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he delivered the Quran.

141 4/57a: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above. 

142 4/57b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall admit (the Muslims*) to Gardens - - -". Impossible unless he exists, unless he is a major god, unless he has gardens, and unless the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about his religion (if not others than the Muslims may be the ones ending in Paradise).

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

143 4/57C: "- - - gardens - - -". Islam tells there are 4 or 6 or more Gardens (at least 4 according to 55/46+62 in the Quran) - one better than the other (but only like a poor, naive, and uneducated primitive desert warrior's dream of a king's lazy luxury life on Earth) - in Paradise. This you do not find in the Bible. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, the Paradise had been the same.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

144 4/57d: "- - - their (Muslims*) eternal home (Paradise*) - - -". But 11/107a and 11/108 may indicate it is not really forever. Muslims explains this away with that it just means the resurrected there will be placed to an even better place - not too difficult as the Quran's Paradise is too primitive to be worthy of an omniscient and omnipotent god but the Quran does not say so, which means this is a made up "explanation". There is no similar indication in the Bible.

145 4/57e: "- - - therein (Paradise*) shall they (good Muslims*) have companions (houris*) pure and holy". Allah's Paradise is a luxury edition of a royal life + lots of women (little is said about the women’s' lot). In Yahweh's Paradise you become like the angels (Matt. 22/30). The houris are one more of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, the Paradise had been the same one.

We may add that the idea of houris (and of serving, handsome youths - handsome plenty enough to tempt homosexuals (not said in the Quran) Muhammad "borrowed" from the Zoroastrian religion (Persia), and the same for the 4 rivers in Paradise). Nearly no thoughts or ideas are original in the Quran - more or less everything is "borrowed" from religions and cultures in and around Arabia at the time of Muhammad. A pertinent question here: Would an omniscient god aiming for the entire world, need to borrow all his ideas from primitive Arabia and its neighbors? - and only from the time of Muhammad?

As for the houris: In most religions and cultures forced prostitution is reckoned to be something dirty.

146 4/58a: "- - - justice - - -". See 2/21b above and the immoral parts of the moral code and the unjust part of the judicial cod in the Quran.

147 4/58b: "- - - how excellent is the teaching (the Quran) which He (Allah*) giveth you (Muhammad/Muslims*)!" If the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, often helpless language (except the Arab linguistics), etc. and even a few(?) lies + f.x. partly immoral moral code and partly unjust judicial code, is excellent teaching, you had better stay away from ordinary teaching in Islamic areas.

148 4/58c: "For Allah is He Who heareth and seeth all things". See 4/32c above.

149 4/59a: "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Jesus said you should obey Yahweh and follow Jesus. Two very different messages - and a strong proof for that Jesus and Muhammad were in very different religions.

This also is a strengthen version of Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his god and platform of power.

150 4/59b: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 3/81 and 3/183b above and 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

##151 4/59c: "- - - if Ye (people*) do believe in Allah and the Last Day: that is the best - - -". The fact is that if not Allah exists and/or is not a god, it absolutely is not the best idea - and the same if Allah exists and is a god, but is not correctly described among all the errors in the Quran (f.x. if he really is the same god as Yahweh, but the Bible has the correct description of him and his religion - the Quran is so unreliable because all its errors, etc., that this may well be a possibility, i.e. that it is the Quran which is a falsified Bible (because of Muhammad's lack of knowledge?), and not the other way around like Muhammad claimed).

152 4/60a: "- - - revelations (the Quran*) - - -". See 4/47c above.

153 4/60b: "- - - revelations (the Quran*) which has come down to thee (Muhammad*) - - -". If there really were revelations which came to Muhammad - down or up - then from whom did they come, as no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran?

154 4/60c: "- - - revelations (the Quran*) which has come down to thee (Muhammad*) and to those (prophets*) before thee - - -". Here is implicated Muhammad's repeated claim that the old Jewish prophets were good Muslims preaching Islam. As both science and Islam have proved that the Bible is not falsified like Muhammad claimed, both also at the same time proved also this claim is not true - the teaching also of the Israeli an prophets, included Jesus (see 3/19a above), were too far from the Quran (the Quran at best is a very apocryphal version of Yahweh's teaching and religion - very apocryphal in case).

155 4/60d: "- - - Satan - - -". There may be a little irony in the Quran's claiming that opponents are ruled by Satan, as one of the theories for who made the Quran is just Satan. As it is clear no god made a book of a quality like the Quran (too much is wrong), there only are 3 possibilities: Dark forces (and some of the immoral and harsh points in the Quran may indicate this - though we ourselves are reluctant to believe so, as not even a devil would send a book like the Quran, as he had to know he would be looked through and lose credibility sooner or later; well, if not a strong god made it a condition for that the Devil were permitted to lure more people to himself), a mental illness like TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - like modern medical science suspects), or one or more humans - f.x Muhammad himself (all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran which are in accordance with wrong science believed in in Arabia at that time, and all the contemporary local folklore, legends, fairy tales, etc. used in the Quran, may indicate this - and all the help to Muhammad personally the same), or a combination of two or three of these.

Also see 45/13a below.

156 4/60e: "But Satan's wish is to lead them (people*) astray - - -". If we assume like a thought experiment that there existed a true religion somewhere - f.x. the one of Jesus (Christianism). If there then was a Satan who wished to lead the believers astray, a made up book + a harsh and graceless and discriminating war religion with the warriors as the top caste, would fit his intention excellent. Not to mention how well it fit to lead pagans - f.x. Arabs - into a dishonesty (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a) and war religion instead of the then expanding Christian religion.

Also see the sinister 34/50a below.

157 4/60f: "- - - (- - - Right) - - -". See 2/21b above.

158 4/61a: "Come to what Allah hath revealed, and to the Messenger - - -". A strengthened variety of Muhammad's standard mantra to glue himself to his god and platform of power.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a). 

059 4/61b: "- - - what Allah hath revealed (the Quran*) - - -". Is it really revealed, and in case by whom? See f.x. 2/170b above.

160 4/61c: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

161 4/62: "- - - misfortune, because of the deeds which their (hypocrites*) hands has sent forth (because of bad deeds they have done on Earth*) - - -". But according to the Quran these deeds were predestined by Allah - how can he then punish them for it?. Well, how can he at all punish unless it is predestined in his Plan? - if it is not in his Plan, then punishment means changing of his Plan which nobody and nothing can change. The only case where Allah's Plan is not changed here, is if both the misdeed and the punishment are predestine by Allah - but where is then the just god and the just judgment? (Muslims try to explain away cases like this in different ways, but the Quran is categorical and repeats it more than once: Allah predestines every detail in your life.)

162 4/63: "- - - Allah knows what is in their (hypocrites*) hearts - - -". And the never satisfactory answered question: Why then does he have to test them - and others - if he knows everything? - not to mention if it is true that he predestines everything, so that he himself already has made the answers?!

163 4/64a: "We (Allah*) sent not a Messenger (Muhammad*), but to be obeyed - - -". Muhammad demanded to be obeyed, and then of course it was wise psychology to claim all earlier real or made up prophets had demanded the same, as then Muhammad would look like a normal prophet. In a way he was right - many of the few documented prophets (the Jewish ones) demanded to be obeyed, but normally only in religion, and also not in the meaning "I am the boss and you are my subordinates", but in the meaning "I lead you, and you should follow me". There is a long step from this to Muhammad's "I am your dictator and you obey whatever I say!" to Jesus' "Follow me".

Jesus was a leader, Muhammad a dictator and a despot.

##164 4/64b: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

165 4/64c: "- - - the Will of Allah". As the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc. is not from any god - it is an insult and heresy and hypocrisy to blame a god for a book of a quality like the Quran - it also does not represent the will of Allah unless Islam produces real proofs for this. Not claims, but real proofs.

And when it was not Allah's will which was behind the book, when whose?

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

166 4/64d: "- - - unjust to themselves - - -". See 2/21b above.

167 4/64e: "- - - Allah's Forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god - and who he in case will forgive, depends on how correct or wrong his religion in case is described among all the mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) in the Quran. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

168 4/64f: "- - - Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful". See 4/16b above.

169 4/65a: "But no, by the Lord (swearing by Allah - sentences in the Quran starting with "by" normally are oaths*) - - -". Compare this to Matt. 5/34 - 37 where Jesus tells you shall not swear at all. Not the same god, not the same moral code, not the same religion for Jesus and Muhammad.

#170 4/65b: "But no, by the Lord they (people*) can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee (Muhammad*) judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction". Muhammad demanded to be the absolute dictator, and demanded that his followers should be obedient robots without protests or even their own thoughts or meanings. A position men like Hitler, Stalin, and Mao only could dream about (but then Islam frequently is compared with f.x. Nazism ideologically and politically - f.x. by C.G. Young).

You do not find despotism like this in the teaching of Jesus - and especially different as Muhammad used much of his power for warfare and building political power - and a harem - for himself. Muhammad also was reasonably well off when he died, in spite of Muslim claims about the opposite. He had estates in Medina, Fadang and Khaybar, and his many wives each had a small house in Medina, but as he had said that what he owned should follow Islam and not to his inheritors, Muslims pretend he died very poor, in spite of that many/most of Muslims know ever so well that Muhammad's daughter and her husband Ali quarreled really hard with the first caliph, Abu Bakr to get her inheritance from her father.

171 4/66: Romancing warfare. Needless to say not in accordance with Jesus' teaching of love your fellow humans and "turn the other cheek". Jesus and Muhammad were two very different persons in two very different religions. (Oh, we know that also Christians have been involved in warfare and atrocities, but that was contrary to the NT, not because of, it like Islam and the Quran.

172 4/67: "And We (Allah*) should then have given them (not good Muslims - if they were better Muslims they were willing to go to war for Allah/Muhammad*) from Our Presence a great reward - - -". Not possible unless Allah existed and was something supernatural, and in addition only if the Quran has described his religion reasonably correct in spite of all the errors, etc., so that he found them valid a reward in spite of f.x. all the conflicts with "do against others like you want others do against you".

173 4/68: "- - - the Straight Way". Is it symptomatic that Muhammad talked about the straight - the easy - way to Paradise, whereas Jesus talked about the narrow - the difficult - road leading there? Populism vs. realism?

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

#174 4/69a: "All who obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad*) are in the company of those on whom is the grace of Allah - of the Prophets (who teach), of the Sincere (lovers of the Truth), the Witnesses (who testify) and the Righteous (who do good): Ah! What a beautiful fellowship!"

One word: Panegyric.

And also thought provoking, as the only one on Earth who benefitted from these panegyrics, was Muhammad and his nearest co-workers - the "Great Chairman" and the "Great Leader". Hulagu Khan (who sacked Bagdad in 1258), Timur Lenk/Tamerlane, the Zulu king Chaka or Shaka, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim-il-Jung - they all had reasons to be invidious and feel inferior.

Any real similarities at all to Jesus' and his life like told in the NT?

175 4/69b: "- - - Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -. Muhammad's standard mantra to glue himself to his god and platform of power. Also see 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157.

176 4/69c: "- - - the Grace of Allah - - -". See 2/105b above.

177 4/69d: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

178 4/69e: "- - - Prophets (included Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157e and the other comments under 7/157 below.

179 4/69f: "- - - Truth - - - Righteous - - - good - - -". See 2/21b above - for "Truth" also 2/26 above.

180 4/70a: "- - - the Bounty from Allah - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists and is a something supernatural, god or devil. We may also remind you that "Allah's" bounty here on Earth, Muhammad and his Muslims to a large degree stole/looted from their victims, and nothing provably was a gift from Allah.

181 7/70b: "- - - and sufficient is it that Allah knoweth all". If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

182 4/71: "- - - either go forth in parties (= in war*) or go forth all together (= in total war - see f.x. Muhammad Asad "The Message of the Quran", comment 4/87 (translated from Swedish): "Muslims because of this always be prepared to take up their weapons in the defence of Allah's cause; such a war (jihad) because of this plays a central role in Islam's socio-political view of the world, and the Quran often returns to this (= jihad*)" - and the comment includes "total war".)." A 200+% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad belong to widely different religions.

We may add that according to the Swedish edition of "the Message of the Quran" - it is a bit more honest and reliable than the later English edition, the exact translation of the Arab text is: "Go out to do battle in small groups or all together - - -". There is no doubt the Quran here talks about raids and wars. Whereas the fundament of Jesus' teaching and religion was to love your fellow humans. 200+% proof is too little.

####On this background: Whoever thinks Iran will not use atomic weapons if they get such ones, and then is losing a war, is not even naive.

€€€#183 4/71-74: Romancing warfare. Ever so different from Jesus' words of love and of "turning the other cheek". Definitely not the same god or the same religion. And anyone believing Islam is "the Religion of Peace" has never read the surahs from Medina with an open mind.

Not to mention: Can a war religion claiming that "Islam is the Religion of Peace", be "the Religion of Truth"?

184 4/72: "Allah did favor us - - -". An illusion if Allah did not exist and in addition was something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever)..

185 4/73: "- - - it good fortune comes to you (Muslims*) from Allah - - -". Not possible unless he exists and is a god or a devil.

186 4/74a: "Let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah - whether he is slain or gets victory - soon shall We (Allah*) give him a reward of great (value (= Paradise*))". Try to find things like this in NT - and even in OT the armed fighting was for establishing or defending a national country for the Israelites, not for religious expansion. One of the many absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, not to mention proof for that Jesus and Muhammad preached very different religions.

187 4/74b: "- - - the cause of Allah - - -", see 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 29/2 below.

188 4/74c: "- - - a reward of great value". Allah can neither reward nor punish anybody unless he exists, and he can do only small things unless he in addition is something supernatural, good or bad.

189 4/75a: "And why should we not fight in the cause of Allah - - -". Try to find Jesus saying something like this about armed fighting. Jesus definitely was not in the same religion as Muhammad.

190 4/75b: "- - - the cause of Allah - - -", see 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 29/2 below.

191 4/75c: "And why should ye (Muslims*) not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?" Some irony, as nearly always it was the Muslims who were the aggressors. With a partly exception for Indonesia, Islam was introduced "by the sword" in all the area now dominated by that religion, and nearly always it was the Muslims who were the aggressors. To help the weak is a nice slogan, but when you know the real reason was to gain power and riches and to spread the religion, you see that this slogan like so many slogans just is distasteful hypocrisy.

192 4/75d: "And why should ye (Muslims*) not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us - - -". This is a kind of argumentation used towards "the unthinking masses" a bit too often - any manipulator of people uses this kind of psychology if he can, and if he feel "the masses" are naive enough for it (normally a big part of them are).

The only thing lacking here is the white horse.

Further comments should be unnecessary - the method and psychology are too well known.

193 4/75e: "- - - soon shall We (Allah*) give him (the warrior fighting for Allah/Muhammad*) a reward of great (value)". Not possible unless Allah exists, unless he in addition is a god, and unless the Quran's underlying description of him as a god of hate and war - no good and benevolent god has armed fighting as a top idol - is correct in spite of all the mistakes, etc. + a few(?) lies in the book.

194 4/76a: "Those who believe (Muslims*) fight in the cause of Allah - - -". Try to find Jesus saying something like this. Jesus definitely was not in the same religion as Muhammad, and Yahweh not the same god as Allah - not by long miles.

195 4/76b: "- - - the cause of Allah - - -". see 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 29/2 below. It actually does not exist unless Allah exists. And honestly: As the Quran and all its mistakes are not from any god, then in whose cause were the Muslims fighting? (except for their own looting and riches?)

196 4/76c: "Those who believe (Muslims*) fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil - - -". Large parts of what Islam later conquered were Christian areas - and the Christians believed they were defending themselves against onslaughter of Satan's forces. The same Hindus, Buddhists, and others later believed. Who were right? Compare the Muslim warriors' - and leaders' - often horrible (the word is too weak) behavior to "do against others like you want others do against you", and think it over once more.

197 4/76d: "- - - Evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

198 4/76e: "- - - so fight ye (Muslims*) - - -". Once more: Try to find Jesus saying something like this. Jesus definitely was not in the same religion as Muhammad.

199 4/76f: "- - - so fight ye (Muslims*) against the friends of Satan (non-Muslims*) - - -". Write something like this calling Muslims of today "friends of Satan", and there are places where you will be arrested and prosecuted. But in Islam this is official and strong information even in their "holy" book. Also one of Muhammad' many negative names for non-Muslims.

The religion of peace?

200 4/76g: "- - - (non-Muslims are*) friends of Satan". An ironical claim, as one of the 3 theories for who made the Quran just is Satan. See 4/60d above.

201 4/77a: "- - - regular prayer - - -". If Allah does not exist - like all the mistakes in the Quran in practice proves - and/or for other reasons is not a god like the Bible indirectly, but clearly tells, and which the fact that Allah never in any way or place or time provably has proved or manifested himself except in the mouth of Muhammad, shows - then to what avail are prayers to Allah? Not to mention: If Allah predestines every detail in your life long before it happen, and this according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, then prayers anyway are of no use - nothing can change Allah's Plan.

ABOUT PRAYERS IN ISLAM:

What is the idea of prayers in Islam, when Allah according to several verses and places in the Quran predestines everything, and predestines it according to his Plan which "nobody and nothing can change"? If nobody and nothing can change what Allah has decided a long time before, also prayers can change nothing, and just are a waste of time and effort - and a cheating argument from Muhammad/the Quran/Islam. (According to the Bible prayers are not for Allah - not for Allah at all, and especially not so if he is a made up god. Prayers should be for Yahweh, it says).

But one serious conclusion is: Because of total predestination according to the Quran, prayers cannot have any effect in Islam. If Muslims disagree, they will have to prove how it can be possible to combine total predestination, like very clearly expressed in the Quran + Allah's unchangeable Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to as clear words in the Quran, with effect of prayers.

AND WE ADD ABOUT REGULAR PRAYERS:

Such formalities were totally uninteresting for Yahweh and for Jesus - pray when there was a reason, a need, or a wish for it. For Allah on the other hand it was so central, that he(?) made it one of the 5 "pillars" on which Islam rests. One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, this rule had been the same in the two books.

We may add that there nowhere in the Bible - OT or NT - is a request or an order for regular prayers in the meaning Muhammad had in those words. On the contrary Jesus says: "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to the Father (Yahweh*), who is unseen. Then the Father, who sees the unseen, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like the pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words" (Matt. 6/6-7), (Cfr. here Islam's weight-laying on the number of "rakas" - repeated formal movements and words.*). In the Bible the best place to pray is in your room in closeness to your god. In the Quran (Hadiths) a prayer is worth up to 20 times as much if it is prayed in a group. NB: Just this small detail, but big difference, is yet another 100% and more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - not by far.

ANOTHER POINT ABOUT PRYERS IN ISLAM:

The quran tells that prayers in groups are 10 and 20 times as valuable as prayers alone. But f.x. Matt. 6/6 says: "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father (Yahweh*) who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you".

And here is another point: In Matt. 6/7 Jesus said one should not keep on babbling like pagans. Muslims keep on and on repeating the same "rakas". Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion and not serving the same god.). Another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not serving the same god or religion.

). In the Bible the best place to pray is in your room in closeness to your god. In the Quran a prayer is worth up to 20 times as much if it is prayed in a group. NB: Just this small detail, but big difference is yet another 100% and more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - not by far. 

Not the same religion by far.

AN EXTRA POINT.

Honestly, if man is created by a god, the second greatest gift he got after life itself, is the brain. For one thing a god in case did not give man a good brain unless he intended it to be used. For another it must be an insult towards the god if man refuses to use his brain, the great gift from the god if that is the case - or if f.x. for imams and others deny people to use their brains ("believe what the religious leaders tell you") - and thus not think over impossibilities like "Allah predestines absolutely everything according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, but man has free - or partly free - will", or "Allah predestines absolutely everything according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, but pray to Allah, and he may change his decisions and make life better or easier for you". If you do not use your brain and think over such hopeless logic and impossibilities, it is an insult to the great gift, your brain. And it is no less big an insult to the one who gave you that brain, if your brain is a gift from a god - his gift is not worth using you tell him.

202 4/77b: "- - - regular charity - - -". The Bible, but also the Quran honors charity much. The difference between the Quran and the Bible here is that the Quran several places stresses that you shall not give more than you can afford, a limit you do not find in the Bible - on the contrary in the Bible the idol is the old widow who gave everything she owned. And also in the Quran the main thing in charity is to gain merit in Heaven, whereas in especially NT empathy with the poor ones is more of a part in it.

The "regular charity" also may indicate the "poor tax" (used for several other purposes than for the poop ones, f.x. for spreading Islam) - the zakat - which does not exist in the Bible. As this is a strong demand in the Quran, but not even mentioned by Yahweh, this is one more proof for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god (if he exists).

###203 4/77c: "When (at length) the order for fighting was issued (by Muhammad*) to them (some Muslims*) - - -". You NEVER heard Jesus giving orders for armed fighting. The teaching and religion of Jesus and the ones of Muhammad at many points were so far apart as it is possible to come: "Love - and forgive - your enemies" vs. "Kill and rob and suppress and enslave your enemy and others - and it is 'lawful and good' steal everything and to rape their wives and children".

Surah 8/69 in the Quran: (Allah/Muhammad says:) "But (now) enjoy what ye (Muslims*) took (= stole*) in war (valuables, captives, slaves (as for raping girls and women Muhammad in Hadiths says coitus interrupts is not advisable, because it is for Allah to decide whether there shall be a child afterwards or not)), lawful and good". That this has to be done in the name of Allah (during/after a "holy" war) makes this immoral extra despiceable. An extreme proof for that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion, the same moral code, the same code of conduct, the same code concerning honesty in words and deeds, etc., not to mention had the same point of view on Jesus words: "Do to others like you would have them do to you" (Luke 6/31). Add this to what we know of historical facts, included about religions, from this part of the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus, and there only is one conclusion possible: Except for the monotheism - whoever said/says the basic thoughts and teaching and religion of Jesus ever were even distantly related to the teaching, etc. of Muhammad, simply did/does not know what he/she was/is talking about - or he/she is using an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie - accepted in Islam (but in no other of the big religions) for several wide purposes (f.x. to cheat women), and advised to use "if necessary" to defend or promote Islam). The claim that they were in the same line of prophets, we do not even bother to comment on here. 

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Strategm to avoid or circumvent legal prinsiples or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choices, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campained of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguice. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

##204 4/77d: "Why hast Thou (Allah*) ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)". Non-Muslims should remember this - far from all Muslims are dangerous and vile suppressors. Most are just like you and me, and just wishing for a peaceful and reasonably good life, not wanting to hurt anybody at all. (Of course - partly because of al-Taqiyya (lawful lies), etc. - it may be difficult to know who is who, but but for that: Do not judge a Muslim vile just because he/she is a Muslim.)

205 4/77e: "Short is the enjoyment of this world - - -". = If you go to war and are killed, you do not lose much.

206 4/77f: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right (here = go to war when Muhammad wants*) - - -". Go to war when Muhammad calls, and you will end in Paradise if you are killed (go to "the Hereafter"). In the Quran to go to war is the first class ticket the most luxury part of the Paradise, Firdaws. In the Bible Jesus hardly accepts armed war at all. Unnecessary to say: Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus belong to very different religions to say things with small letters.

207 4/77g: "- - - right - - - unjustly - - -". See 2/21b above.

###208 4/78a: "Wherever ye (people*) are, death will find you - - -". Here we are back to Muhammad's claim that Allah has decided the time of your death long time ago, so that you can as well go to war as stay at home. If your time is up, you will die at that time no matter what, and thus fighting battles is not dangerous. This so obviously is wrong, that a man as intelligent as Muhammad knew he was lying each time he said this - and he does so some times in the Quran.

Ps.: It is easy to prove f.x. by means of statistics that Muhammad's claim about this is wrong, if you need such a proof.

This claim also is not to be found in Jesus' teaching. It is one of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been this rule had been identical.

209 4/78b: "- - - good - - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

####210 4/78c: “(O Prophet (Muhammad*))!” But Muhammad was no real prophet. The definition of a prophet was a person who could see at least parts of the unseen, and thus a person who:

Has the gift of and close enough connection to a god for making prophesies.

Makes prophesies which always or at least mostly come true.

Makes so frequent and/or essential prophesies, that it is a clear part of his mission.

A few things Muhammad said, came partly true – like it has to do for any person saying many things through many years – and most of what he said which did not come true, was forgotten (also this is what normally happens if it is nothing spectacular). But he did not guess the future correctly often - actually he statistically and according to the laws of probability should have "hit the mark" far more often by sheer chance than he did - there just are a few cases where Muslims will claim he foretold something correctly, and few if any of them are "perfect hits". But then the Quran makes it pretty clear that even though he was intelligent, he had little fantasy, and that he also was nearly unable to make innovative thinking (nearly all his tales and his ideas in reality were "borrowed" ones - though often twisted to fit his new religion).

The main things here are that Muhammad never indicated that anything of what he said was meant as prophesies, that he never indicated, not to mention claimed, that he had the gift of prophesying - of "seeing the unseen" (see 6/59b)- that it nowhere is documented that all/most of what he said about the future came true (point 2 above), and finally that both he himself and Islam said and says that Muhammad was unable to see the unseen (extra revealing here is that the old Biblical title for a prophet, was "a seer" - one who saw the unseen (f.x. 1. Sam. 9/9)) and also that Islam even today admits there were no miracles connected to Muhammad “except the Quran” (prophesying is a kind of miracle - seeing what has not yet happened - see 6/50b). (This fact that Islam admits there were no miracles connected to Muhammad "except the revelation of the Quran" also is a solid proof for that all the miracles connected to Muhammad mentioned in the Hadiths, are made up stories - but all the same many a mullah and imam and scholar use these stories, which Islam as said admits are made up ones, as "proofs" for that Muhammad had supernatural powers and was a prophet. Honesty is not the strong side of Muslim religious leaders.) Also see 30/40a and 30/46a, and we also should add that his favorite wife (and infamous child wife) Aishah according to Hadiths (f.x. Al-Bukhari) stated that anyone saying Muhammad could foresee things, was wrong.

Verse 7/188b also is very relevant here: "If I (Muhammad*) had knowledge of the Unseen (= what is hidden or what has not happened yet*), I should have - - -". IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT MUHAMMAD DID NOT HAVE THE PROPHETS' ABILITY TO SEE "THE UNSEEN" or "THE HIDDEN" - he was no real prophet. Similar in verses 6/50, 7/188, 10/20, 10/49, and 72/26 (see www.1000mistakes.com). 

As mentioned: Also relevant here is that as said the original title of the Jewish prophets as mentioned was not "prophet" but "seer" - one who saw at least parts of the unseen. (F.x. 1. Sam. 9/9#, 1. Sam. 9/11, 1. Sam. 9/18, 1. Sam. 9/19, 2. Kings. 17/13, 1. Chr. 9/22, 1. Chr. 26/28, 1. Chr. 29/29, 2. Chr. 9/29, 2. Chr. 16/7, 2. Chr.16/10, 2. Chr. 19/2, 2. Chr. 29/25, Amos 7/12, Mic. 3/7 - some places the two titles even are used side by side). Muhammad thus so definitely was no seer - prophet - even according to his own words; he had no "knowledge of the unseen". One more proof for that he was not in the same line - not to say league - as Jesus, if the Bible and/or the Quran tell the truth about Jesus on this point.

Many liked - and like - the title prophet, and there have been made other definitions for this title - the most common of these are "one who brings messages from a god", or "one who represents a god", or "one who acts/talks on behalf of a god". But the fact remains: Without being able to prophesy -and reliably so - he or she is no real prophet. A messenger for someone or something - ok. An apostle - ok. But not a real prophet. A football player is not a football player no matter how good he is at running, if he is unable to play football.

***This is a fact no Muslim will admit: Muhammad in reality simply was no real prophet or seer. Perhaps a messenger for someone or something or for himself – or perhaps an apostle – but not a real prophet. He only “borrowed” this impressive and imposing title. It is up to anyone to guess why.

It also is remarkable that Muhammad relatively seldom used the title "prophet" about himself in the Quran. He mostly used the title "Messenger", even though messenger in reality means an errand-boy (Muslims try to make this title something big and imposing to enlarge Muhammad, but this is the meaning of it). "Prophet" on the other hand is a heavy and impressive title telling a lot about the person. May the reason for why he did not use it so often, be that he knew he did not have what it took to merit that title, and was a little careful using it, so as not to provoke questions or comments? (And is this also a reason why Muslims try to pretend that "messenger" is something more impressive and heavy than "prophet"?)

Also see 4/115b below.

A small PS: The word prophet derives from the Greek word "profetes", which means "one who foretells". Any comment necessary?

If the Quran simply belongs among the apocryphal books , many things are easy to understand, and it at least belongs in that line and tradition, even if it is further "out" than most of the other apocryphal stories (it is so far from the Bible, that it may not even be an apocryphal book). Muhammad also fits the picture of the leader of an apocryphal sect, admittedly more immoral and bloody than most of the others.

Also see 30/40h and 30/47b in "1000+ Comments on the Quran" - http://www.1000quran-comments.com .

211 4/78d: "All things are from Allah". This - perhaps - can be true only if Allah exists and is something supernatural - - - which all too many points indicate is not the case.

212 4/78e: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) fail to understand a single fact". According to the Bible the ones who understand the Bible have understood all the essential facts - and those facts often are very different from what the Quran claims. Besides: The reality was not that many did not understand Muhammad's new teaching, but that too many understood things were seriously wrong in it.

213 4/78f: "- - - fact - - -". In the Quran, in Islam, and to Muslims, this word often simply means "claimed by Muhammad or the Quran", or sometimes even simply "something claimed". A fact is not a fact unless it in some way is proved - if it is not proved, it at best is a belief or a hypothesis or a theory.

214 4/79a: "Whatever good, (O man!) happens to thee, is from Allah - - -". You have to be a very naive believer to be able that nothing good you experience is from your own planning and/or toil, or from other's good intentions. Besides: Nothing can come from Allah unless he exists.

215 4/79b: "- - - whatever evil happens to thee (man*) is from thy (own) soul". You have to be even more naive then in 4/79b just above to be able to believe this - you after all may be the victim of what others do or f.x. a disaster of some kind - where the victims from the tsunami on Sumatra (mainly Muslims) all killed or lost what they owned or their loved ones, because of sins?

Not to mention: This is not possible to combine with the Quran's many clear statements that Allah decides and predestines everything - even does so according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change.

216 4/79c: "- - - good - - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

217 4/79d: "- - - and We (Allah*) have sent thee (Muhammad*) as a messenger - - -". No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a). Compare Jesus in NT with Muhammad in the Quran - and especially the robber baron in the surahs from Medina - and weep.

218 4/79e: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 3/81 and 3/183b above and 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

219 4/79f: "And enough is Allah for a witness". The old problem: Allah is nothing - not even a witness - unless he exists. We may here mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god, Yahweh, (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only .

220 4/79g: "And enough is Allah for a witness". Not unless he exists.

#221 4/80a: "He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad*), obeys Allah - - -". Is it possible to make a wrapped up political message stronger?

222 4/80b: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

223 4/80c: "- - - We (Allah*) have not sent thee to watch over their (people's*) (evil deeds)". No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a). Compare Jesus in NT with Muhammad in the Quran - and especially the robber baron in the surahs from Medina - and weep.

224 4/80d: "- - - (evil deeds)". See 2/21b above.

225 4/81a: "But Allah records their (non-Muslims'*) nightly (plots) - - -". Why does an omniscient god need a record?

226 4/81b: "- - - put thy (Muslim's*) trust in Allah - - -". A bit risky unless he exists and is a god - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

227 4/81c: "- - - enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs". Not unless he exists - and according to the Bible, the only god is Yahweh. Also the realities around the making of the Quran and all its errors strongly - strongly to at least the fifth power - indicate he is a made up and/or pagan god in disguise.

###228 4/82: "Had it been from other than Allah, they (skeptics*) would surely have found therein much discrepancy". This must be the unintended black joke of that millennium! - the Quran is flooding over of mistakes, contradictions, and other discrepancies. According to this verse, this thus is a proof for that the Quran is "from (someone*) other than Allah". What an irony!

229 4/83a: "- - - the Messenger - - -". See 3/81 and 3/183b above.

230 4/83b: "Were it not for the Grace and Mercy of Allah unto you (Muslims*) - - -". See 4/29b above.

231 4/83c: "- - - Satan - - -". There may be a little irony in the Quran's claiming that you may fall into the clutches of Satan, as one of the theories for who made the Quran, is just Satan. As it is clear no god made a book of a quality like the Quran (too much is wrong), there only are 3 possibilities: Dark forces (and some of the immoral and harsh points in the Quran may indicate this - though we ourselves are reluctant to believe so, as not even a devil would send a book like the Quran, as he had to know he would be looked through and lose credibility sooner or later; well, if not a strong god made it a condition for that the Devil were permitted to lure more people to himself), a mental illness like TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - like modern medical science suspects), or one or more humans - f.x Muhammad himself (all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran which are in accordance with wrong science believed in in Arabia at that time, and all the contemporary local folklore, legends, fairy tales, etc. used in the Quran, may indicate this - and the same do all the time Allah(?) helped Muhammad also in his personal life), or a combination of two or all three of these.

Also see 45/13a below.

#232 4/84a: "Then fight in Allah's cause - - -". A complete proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad were not serving the same god. The religion of war vs. the religion of love. (That Islam is the religion of peace is a clear al-Taqiyya (lawful lie), though some Muslims honestly believe so.)

233 4/84b: "- - - Allah's cause - - -". See 2/190a+b above and 2/244a and 29/2 below.

234 4/84c: "- - - Allah is the strongest in might and punishment". According to the Bible Yahweh is the strongest also here.

235 4/85a: "- - - good - - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

236 4/85b: "- - - Allah hath power over all things". Not true unless he at least exists and is a major god. Besides the Bible tells that the only one being that powerful, is Yahweh, not Allah.

237 4/86: "Allah takes careful account of all things". This belief is an illusion unless Allah exists and is a god - and one reasonably correctly described in the Quran. The reality around the Quran and all its errors makes this highly unlikely.

238 4/87a: "Allah! There is no god but He - - -". Well, according to the Bible there is no god but Yahweh. Both books cannot be true on such a point.

Also see 45/13a below.

239 4/87b: "- - - of a surety He (Allah*) will gather you together against the Day of Judgment - - -". This is no surety for at least two reasons: For one thing Allah can gather no-one unless he exists, and there is absolutely no proof for his existence - only claims from a morally doubtful man, believing among other things in the use of dishonesty and deceit as working tools, and wanting respect, power, and riches for bribes - and women. For another thing the Bible says it is Yahweh who will rule over the Day of Judgment, and maximum one of those two books can be right on this point.

240 4/87c: "And whose word can be truer than Allah's?" Anybody's if Allah does not exist. Many if Allah exists, but is no major god - see 4/87b just above. And still many even if Allah all the same should happen to be a god, and one correctly described in the Quran, because Allah believed in the use of dishonesty, deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths as working tools (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

If Allah should happen to belong to the dark forces, nearly anybody is likely to be truer than him.

241 4/88a: "- - - those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way (to his Paradise*) - - -". One of Muhammad's many slanderous and distaste inducing names for non-Muslims. Another fact is that Allah can do nothing unless he exists. Also: Compare such of Allah's predestinations like this with Jesus: "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" l(Matt 18/12-14, "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31). Yahweh and Allah not the same god, Jesus and Muhammad not serving the same god or the same religion - not by far. (And: Allah can neither throw out, not take in unless he exists.)

242 4/88b: "- - - those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way (to his Paradise*) - - -". If they are followers of Yahweh, they according to the Bible will find the way to Yahweh's Paradise.

##243 4/89a: "- - - but take no friends or helpers from their ranks (non-Muslims*) until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden) (= until they become Muslims*)". In plain words: Do not make friends with non-Muslims.

Any comments?

Any comments necessary?

244 4/89aa: "- - - the way of Allah - - -". This way does not exist unless Allah exists, and is of little interest unless he is something supernatural, white or black - be careful if it leads down.

####245 4/89b: "But if they turn renegades (leave Islam*), size them and slay them wherever ye (Muslims*) find them - - -". Jesus said "Love your enemies" (f.x. Matt.5/44

Another very strong proof for that Jesus and Muhammad are not in the same line of anything fundamental - and for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Any more comments necessary?

"Let there be no compulsion in religion"?

"Islam is the religion of peace"?

246 4/90: "If Allah had pleased, He could have - - -". You time and again in the Quran find Muhammad boasting about what Allah can do if he will - like here. The problem is that he never will.

#####247 4/91a: "- - - if they (non-Muslims not wanting to become Muslims*) withdraw not from you (Muslims*) nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever you get them - - -". This is a strong one. It is not enough for non-Muslims to let Muslims alone and in peace - one has to withdraw from them. And not least: If non-Muslims do not follow the Quran on this point, it is not only rightful for Muslims to slay them - even if they are peaceful, as long as they do not retreat and give guarantees for peace - but it is any Muslim's duty to slay them. Extra Incriminating: In most cases Islam was the aggressor. According to all the 4 "schools" of law under Islam the fact that a neighbor or opponent was non-Muslim was good enough reason to declare jihad ("holy war") and attack - and this theory was the case until well into the 1900, when western thoughts made them start finding reasons for attacking, pretending (or sometimes really) it was defence.

####In many countries today you will be prosecuted for saying thing like that against Muslims. But for Muslims to say it against non-Muslims is not only ok, but is a fundamental part of their official religion - the claimed "religion of peace" (at least this claim is a good piece of propaganda, and many Muslims even honestly believe both that Islam is the religion of peace, and all the same that non-Muslims are ok to kill if they do not behave like Muslims expect them to do.

We nearly forgot: This is yet another 200% or much stronger proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and not to mention that Jesus and Muhammad belongs to VERY different religions ("The Religion of Love" contra "The Religion of Suppression, Discrimination, Hate, and War" - to call Islam "the Religion of Peace" is an unintended black joke, and it is free for anybody to check this statement by reading the surahs from Medina, the dominant surahs according to Islam's own rules for abrogation (making points invalid if other - normally younger - points contradicts them) - most of the peaceful verses from Mecca, are made invalid according to the rules for abrogation, by the younger and harsher suppression, hate, and war verses from Medina).

#####248 4/91b: "- - - in their (the not timid enough non-Muslims*) case We (Allah*)have provided you with a clear argument against them". This "clear argument" is the clear order mentioned in 4/91a just above. We may add - like above - that according to all the 4 so-called law schools (the "administrators" of Islam's somewhat differing laws) accepted that if opponents were not Muslims, this was enough reason to declare "holy war" - jihad - and attack them. Not to raise a defence against them or against invading forces from them, but to attack them (= "self defence in the widest meaning of the word" to quote Muslim scholars of even today). Not until around 1930 some Muslims influenced by Western thinking started to question this rule.

For short: Another proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad were not serving the same god.

249 4/91c: "- - - We (Allah*) have provided - - -". An illusion unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad - and then follows that also that if not, also what he has provided in case is an illusion.

250 4/92a: "Never should a believer (a Muslim*) kill a believer - - -". Not a word here about not to kill a non-Muslim. Compare this to the Bible's categorical: "You shall not kill". A clear indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and for that Jesus and Muhammad belonged to very different religions.

One of the many points on the Quran not from the Bible. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

#251 4/92b: "- - - the freeing of a believing slave - - -". Non-Muslims neither were nor today are fully humans. (Also not the value of a Muslim slave is high in Islam = 2 months of fast. Non-Muslim slaves are even less worth.)

252 4/92c: "- - - Allah hath all knowledge and wisdom - - -". Not if he made the Quran. Also see 22/3b below - an interesting one.

253 4/93a: "If a man (not limited to Muslims*) kills a believer (a Muslim*), his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (for ever) - - -". Similar to, but stronger punishment than in 4/92a above. And nothing said about a killed non-Muslim.

254 4/93b: "- - - to abide therein (Hell*) (for ever) - - -". But 6/128c, 11/107a, and 78/23 below may all indicate that Hell is not quite forever (and 11/107a and 11/108 may indicate the same for the Quran's Paradise).

255 4/93c: "- - - the wrath and course of Allah - - -". - both are illations and do not exist unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

#256 4/94a: "When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah - - -". This is a Muslim expression meaning "when you go to war for the religion (but with full permission to steal, rob, rape, take slaves*). And the "go abroad" indirectly, but very clearly tells that it is no war of defence, like Muslims claim for all their armed activity - true or not. We may add that it only is the last century or a bit less that Muslims have felt a need to justify their wars, raids, and attacks - before that no attack or fight or raid against non-Muslims needed justifications. At least theoretically raids for taking slaves f.x. in Africa could be claimed to be "holy war" - jihad - as the victims were "kafirs" - non-Muslims.

One of the many 200+% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and for that Jesus and Muhammad belonged to very different religions.

As for "the cause of Allah", see 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 29/2 below.

257 4/94b: "- - - say not to anyone who offers you a (Muslim*) salutation: 'Thou art none believer!'". When attacking neighboring areas and later neighboring countries, it was tempting for warriors to refuse believing a rich man claiming to be a Muslim, but instead believe or pretend to believe he was lying, and then kill and rob him. Muhammad did not like this - at least some might tell the truth and some might change religion to save their lives and thus become Muslims.

But we remind you: Muhammad here said: "Do not kill Muslims". Jesus said: "Do not kill". Not the same god, not the same religion, not the same line of prophets and much more "not".

##258 4/94c: "- - - with Allah is profit and spoils abundant". The Quran here refers to what you can steal and rob and extort and enslave from raids and wars - valid and good arguments for a religion of war to its warriors.

It often are the details which tell the truth: "The Religion of Peace"?

100% and far more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, not to mention Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion or moral code and a lot more.

259 4/94d: "For Allah is well aware of all that ye (people*) do". Not correct unless Allah exists and is a god, neither of which has ever been proved - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

260 4/95a: "Not equal are those believers (Muslims*) who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive (= armed fight in Islamic terminology*) in the cause of Allah - - -". In plain words: Warriors going on raids and war on Muhammad's order, were - and consequently still are - much better Muslims than the ones who wanted to live in peace.

The claimed name for Islam; "The Religion of Peace", is some name! - and quite a joke!

Another absolute and indisputable proof for that Yahweh - especially like you meet him in NT - and Allah are not the same god, not to mention that there are few moral similarities between Jesus and Muhammad.

261 4/95b: "- - - the cause of Allah - - -" see 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 29/2 below.

###262 4/95c: "Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive with their goods and persons to those who sit (at home)". Similar to 4/95a above - and as strong a proof.

###263 4/95d: "Unto all (in Faith (Muslims*)) hath Allah promised good (Paradise*): but those who strive (normally Islamic for armed fighting*) hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward - - -". Warriors go to the better parts of the Paradise - there are several parts according with Firdaws (settled in the 7. heaven?) as the most luxurious earth-like one + plenty of sex, for the bodily resurrected top Muslims. In the Bible there is no good, better, best, very best heaven - everybody will become like angels (f.x. Matt. 22/30). One more absolute proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradises had not been so extremely different. And also one of the absolute proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion or serve the same god.

264 4/95e: "- - - a special reward - - -". Allah can neither reward nor punish anyone unless he exists, and his acts are of little consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural, good or bad.

265 4/95-96a: "Unto all (in Faith (Muslims*)) hath Allah promised good (Paradise*): but those who strive (normally Islamic for armed fighting*) hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward - ranks specially bestowed by Him - - -". The "ranks specially bestowed" = the promise that brave warriors killed in battle will go directly to the best part of Paradise, Firdaws. Also see 4/95d+e above.

Really strong proofs for that Islam is a very different religion with a very different god from what is described in the - proved not falsified - Bible.

266 4/95-96b: "Unto all (in Faith (Muslims*)) hath Allah promised good (Paradise*): but those who strive (normally Islamic for armed fighting*) hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward - ranks specially bestowed by Him, and forgiveness and Mercy". Warriors killed in battle for Muhammad/Allah were promised forgiveness for anything, no matter how bad Muslims or humans they had been, and direct admittance not only to Paradise, but to the best parts of Paradise. (There never is explained how he there could have all his family around him if they did not all qualify to the top reward and thus top garden in Paradise.) Also see 4/95c and 4/95-96a above.

Really strong proofs for that Islam is a very different religion with a very different god from what is described in the - proved not falsified - Bible.

267 4/96a: "- - - Forgiveness - - -".Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god - and who he in case will forgive, depends on how correct or wrong his religion in case is described among all the mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) in the Quran. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

268 4/96b: "For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful - - -". A parallel to 4/16b above.

269 4/97a: "- - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above.

270 4/97b: "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to move yourselves away (from evil)?" This is not from the Bible.

271 4/97c: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

272 4/99a: "- - - Allah will forgive - - -". This only is possible if Allah exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran. And according to the Bible there only is one god, Yahweh, and if that is correct there is no Allah to forgive anything at all. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception just are built on other not proved claims (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explain away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "A claim without a proof can be dismissed without a proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

273 4/99b: "- - - (sins) - - -". See 2/27b above.

274 4/100a: "- - - the cause of Allah - - -". See 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 29/2 below.

275 4/100b: "- - - should he (who fled for Islam*) die as a refugee from home for Allah and His Messenger (he is sure to end in Paradise*) - - -". It is not that easy according to the Bible - you in addition have to be a reasonably ok human. Less populism in the Bible?

276 4/100c: "- - - Allah and His Messenger - - -". Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his god and platform of power.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

277 4/100d: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 2/81 and 183b above. This claim also is Muhammad’s main mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

278 4/100e: "For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful - - -". A parallel to 4/16b above.

279 4/101a: "- - - prayer - - -". See 4/77a above.

#280 4/101b: "- - - unbelievers (non-Muslims*) are unto you (Muslims*) open enemies". What would happen if anyone put an article or an advertisement in N. Y. Times saying: "Muslims are unto non-Muslims open enemies"? But in Islam it the official opinion and information in the "holy" book - a book far more widespread than any newspaper - and with a much stronger impact. This is even more noteworthy as this is likely to have been written in 626 AD - after Muhammad and his Muslims had become the great aggressors in the area.

281 4/102a: This verse definitely is not from the Bible, and absolutely not from NT and Jesus. One of the many clear indications for that Yahweh and Allah belong to very different religions - and as strong proofs for that the same was the case for Jesus and Muhammad. 

282 4/102b: "- - - (O Messenger (Muhammad*)) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments to 7/157 below. 

283 4/102c: "- - - prayer - - -". See 4/77a above.

284 4/102d: "For the unbelievers Allah hath prepared a humiliating punishment (Hell*)". Not possible unless he exists and is a god. Besides: According to the Bible only followers of Yahweh is safe from Hell.

285 4/103a: "- - - Allah's praises - - -". To what avail if Allah does not exist and/or is no god? There are strong circumstantial and empirical proofs for that he does not exist and in no case is a god. Besides: Please read the surahs from Medina - skip the cheap, glorifying words dictators normally use about themselves, and judge from the far more reliable deeds, demands, introduced codes of conduct, codes of moral, etc. (When there are discrepancies between words and reality, we always believe in the reality.) Do you find he deserves praise even if he should happen to exist?

286 4/103b: "- - - regular prayers - - -". See 4/77a above.

287 4/103c: "- - - for such prayers (regular ones*) are enjoined on believers at stated times". Such formalities were totally uninteresting for Yahweh and for Jesus - pray when there was a reason, a need, or a wish for it. For Allah on the other hand it was so central, that he(?) made it one of the 5 "pillars" on which Islam rests. One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, this rule had been the same in the two books.

We may add that there nowhere in the Bible - OT or NT - is a request or an order for regular prayers in the meaning Muhammad had in those words. On the contrary Jesus says: "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to the Father (Yahweh*), who is unseen. Then the Father, who sees the unseen, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like the pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words" (Matt. 6/6-7), (Cfr. here Islam's weight-laying on the number of "rakas" - repeated formal movements and words.*). In the Bible the best place to pray is in your room in closeness to your god. In the Islam (Hadiths) a prayer is worth up to 20 times as much if it is prayed in a group. NB: Just this small detail, but big difference, is yet another 100% and more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - not by far.

288 4/104a: "And slacken not in following up the enemy - - -". Jesus: "Love your enemy" (f.x. Matt.5/44). 200+% proof for that Yahweh - especially like you find him in NT - and Allah are not the same god - - - and Jesus and Muhammad not representing the same god.

289 4/104b: "- - - but ye (Muslims*) have hope from Allah, while they have none". The hope from Allah is an illusion unless Allah exists, unless he is a god, and unless he and his religion reasonably correctly described among all the mistakes, and worse - included a few(?) lies - in the Quran. Besides: The opponents may have hopes from their god(s). For humans - and here Muslims is a prime sample - it is not a proved god, but the belief which counts.

290 4/104c: "And Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom." Only if he exists and is a god, something the Bible indirectly, but most clearly tells is not the case. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something does not mean that it does not merit a comment.)

291 4/104d: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 22/3a below.

292 4/105a: "We (Allah*) have sent down - - - the Book (here the Quran*) - - -". In the Bible only some things are claimed to be sent down, and the book itself clearly is written by humans (science believe there were some 40 writers all together). Besides: As the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc. is not from any god - who in case really sent it down? - - - or up?

Also see 2/176b above.

293 4/105b: "We (Allah*) have sent down to thee (Muhammad*) the Book (here the Quran*) - - -". No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

Also see 2/176b above.

294 4/105c: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/21b above.

295 4/105d: "- - - guided by Allah - - -". Impossible unless Allah exists and is a god - both of which in reality are proved wrong - at least there are strong circumstantial and empirical proofs for that the Quran - the only real source for the claims about him - is not from any god. Besides: No-one can be a reliable guide if he/she relies on a guidebook of a quality like the Quran.

296 4/106a: "- - - the forgiveness of Allah - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

297 4/106b: "For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful - - -". A parallel to 4/16b above.

298 4/107a: "- - - such (non-Muslims*) as betray their own soul (by not believing Muhammad and his Islam*) - - -". Who are betraying their souls and their (possible) god? - the ones not using their brains (your second most valuable gift from the god if one exists) and thus believing in a claimed holy book too full of mistakes and worse (the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) to be from a god? - or the ones using their brains and knowledge and understanding that things are seriously wrong in and with the Quran, and thus with Islam?

#299 4/107b: "- - - Allah loveth not one given to perfidy and crime". More black irony: According to all normal moral and judicial codes Muhammad lived from and practiced severe crimes - and his followers and his successors more or less the same. Thieving/looting and other forms of dishonesty, rape, extortion, slave taking, murder, etc. We should not mention it, but look at the difference between him and Jesus!!

300 4/108: "They (bad persons/non-Muslims*) may hide (their crimes) from men, but they cannot hide (them) from Allah, seeing that He is in their midst when they plot by night, in words that He cannot approve: and Allah doth encompass round all that they do". Little of this is correct unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

Besides: If it is true he knows everything, why then does he have to test and test even his followers?

301 4/109: "- - - who will contend with Allah on their (non-Muslims'*) behalf on the Day of Judgment - - -". Not at all necessary unless Allah exists and is the god who is going to rule that day - which the Bible says it is not, as according to that book that will be Yahweh's job. (Also the fact that the Quran with all its errors is not from a god, in practice proves that no Allah will be involved that day.)

Besides: According to the Bible Yahweh will contend on behalf of his followers.

302 4/110a: "- - - evil - - - wrong - - -". See 2/21b above.

303 4/110b: "- - - Allah's forgiveness - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

304 4/110c: "For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful - - -". A parallel to 4/16b above.

305 4/111a: "- - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above.

306 4/111b: "And Allah is full of knowledge and wisdom." Only if he exists and is a god, something the Bible indirectly, but most clearly tells is not the case. (As for knowledge also see 22/3a below).

307 4/111c: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 22/3a below.

308 4/112: "- - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above.

309 4/113a: "But for the Grace of Allah to thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) and His Mercy - - -". See 4/29b above. And also: Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, its code of behavior - especially during and after raids and wars and against victims - the unjust parts of the sharia laws, etc. Drop the glorious words and read the realities - the orders, the demands, the introduced rules, the introduced moral codes, the connection or distance to "do to others like you want others do to you", etc. How much real grace do you find? Especially towards the minorities of the suppressed ones? (The situation for the minorities and the suppressed ones often tells much truer facts about a culture, than the situation for the majority.)

310 4/113b: "- - - plotted to lead thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) astray". Who are astray - the ones believing in a book too full of errors and worse, or the ones able to see the errors and understand that things are seriously wrong?

Also see the sinister 34/50a below.

311 4/113c: "For Allah hath sent down - - - the Book (here the Quran*) - - -". See 4/105a above.

Also see 2/176b above.

312 4/113d: "For Allah hath sent down to thee (Muhammad*) the Book (here the Quran*) - - -". See 4/105b above.

Also see 2/176b above.

313 4/113e: "- - - the Book (here the Quran*) of Wisdom - - -". There is not much wisdom in a book with perhaps 3ooo mistakes, etc. For a comparison: You may heartily disagree to the religion in the Bible, but anyone can find a lot of wisdom there.

314 4/113f: "- - - great is the Grace of Allah - - -". Not unless he exists and is a god. Also see 4/13a above.

315 4/114a: "- - - charity - - -". The Bible, but also the Quran honors charity much. The difference between the Quran and the Bible here is that the Quran several places stresses that you shall not give more than you can afford, a limit you do not find in the Bible - on the contrary in the Bible the idol is the old widow who gave everything she owned. And also in the Quran the main thing in charity is to gain merit in Heaven, whereas in especially NT empathy with the poor ones is more of a part in it. Also see 4/77b above.

316 4/114b: "- - - justice - - -". Please read the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code and the unjust parts of the sharia laws, etc. - and 2/21b above. No further comments necessary.

317 4/114c: "- - - the good pleasure of Allah - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists and is a god.

318 4/114d: "- - - to him (a good Muslim*) - - -, We (Allah*) shall soon give a reward (Paradise*) of the highest (value)". Also this promise is a false one unless Allah exists and is a god - and has a Paradise - none of which was ever proved (in reality on the contrary).

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

319 4/115a: "If anyone contends with the Messenger (Muhammad*) even after guidance has been plainly conveyed on him - - - We (Allah*) shall - - - land him in Hell". The absolute dictatorship. The Bible says nothing like this about Muhammad (or about Jesus) - and also not one other word about him. It is not possible to believe that if Muhammad was a true prophet of such a quality and as central as Muhammad himself claimed to be, there is no hint about him in the Bible if Yahweh and Allah had been the same god. (Oh, we know Islam’s claims about falsified Bible, but they at best are wishful thinking - or perhaps al-Taqiyyas (lawful lies to save the religion) - and in both cases wrong.)

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Strategm to avoid or circumvent legal prinsiples or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choices, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campained of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguice. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

320 4/115b: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". This word is not used as a title anywhere in the Bible, this even though Islam claims it is a higher title than "prophet" - the title used except some places in the oldest parts of the Bible, where the title "seer" is used instead. (In reality it is the other way around: "Prophet" is a clear and heavy-weight title, whereas a messenger just is a messenger-boy bringing messages from here to there - he does not even need to understand what the messages mean. Perhaps the reason for why Muhammad often used "Messenger" instead of "Prophet" was a feeling of unease towards the title "Prophet", as he obviously was no prophet (he was unable to make prophesies, and who is a prophet if he/she is unable to make prophesies? - we may add that some Muslims claim that Muhammad made prophesies, but these are made up stories or wishful thinking, as both the Quran and f.x. Aishah in Hadiths are very clear on that Muhammad "was unable to see the unseen" and thus "unable to foresee the future"), and that title also might cause questions as he was unable to make prophesies. Also Muslim scholars say that "there were no miracles connected to Muhammad, except the reception of the Quran".

We also may add that the title for "prophet" among the Israelites originally was a "seer" - one who was able to "see the unseen" (what was hidden and what had not yet happened) - according to the Bible (f.x. 1. Sam. 9/9 - it is mentioned some 15 - 20 times in OT). And as said Muhammad both according to himself in the Quran and Aishah in Hadiths confirm that Muhammad was unable "to see the unseen". Muslims often try to explain that a messenger is something more than a prophet - to give Muhammad more weight. But a prophet is a heavy and respected title which tells a lot. Whereas a messenger as said just is a messenger boy bringing messages he does not even have to understand or know himself, from one place to another. (It is likely that Islam's "upgrading" of the title "Messenger" is caused by a wish to "upgrade" Muhammad.)

Was Muhammad all the same a messenger? Perhaps so - but in case for whom? Two things are sure: As there is no god - no Allah - behind the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc., Muhammad is not the messenger of a god. And if there had been a god involved, the big and deep differences between the religion, the moral, ethical, and judicial codes, etc. in the Bible (and especially NT) and the Quran, it is clear that the old Jewish/Christian god Yahweh is not involved - in spite of Muhammad's never proved claims that Yahweh just was another name for Allah. Then remain the possibilities that if Muhammad was a messenger, it either was for dark forces, for one or more human(s) - f.x. for Muhammad himself - or for a combination of these two. Or perhaps for a mental disease - modern medical science suspects TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy), a mental disease which can give the kind of fits and religious illusion Muhammad is said to have had. 

Also note how often Muhammad as mentioned used the title "Messenger" instead of "Prophet", this even though a messenger - a messenger-boy - very far from can be compared to the heavy and loaded with meaning title "Prophet". (NB: To promote Muhammad Muslims as mentioned will give you lofty words about how much more a messenger is than a prophet - use your own brain when you evaluate such claims.) Can the reason be that he himself as mentioned felt uncomfortable or feared too many questions if he too often used a title he obviously did not live up to, as he was unable to make prophesies, and thus not really was a prophet? (Oh, we know some persons like that title, and that there have been made different definitions for what is a prophet, but no person is a real prophet unless he/she is able to make prophesies - if they are unable to do that, they at best are messengers.)

Islam also tells that the Quran claims (wrongly) that Muhammad is foretold in the Bible/Scriptures (f.x. in 3/81 and 7/157). The fact that this is said in the Quran, is the reason why Muslims cannot afford to admit that Muhammad is not mentioned in that book at all, and the reason why they cherry-pick and twist and quote out of contexts to be able to arrive at the wished conclusions which may indicate that Muhammad may have been meant. Muslims too often do not look for the truth, but for - by honest or dishonest means - trying to prove that the Quran, or points in it, is/are true. (Such a foretelling also would be very valuable to Islam, as there exists no valid proof neither for Allah nor for Muhammad's connection to a god. A foretelling might not be a proof, but at least an indication, and Islam has absolutely nothing except the words from a not very reliable man with a doubtful morality, but with much to gain from making people believe in his new religion..

And also remember; "what is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

Also see 4/78c above and 45/13a below.

321 4/115c: "- - - guidance (Islam/the Quran*) - - -". There is not much religious or other reliable guidance in a book too full of errors and worse to be from a god.

322 4/116a: "- - - Allah forgiveth not - - -". It is not possible for Allah to forgive anything or anybody unless he exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran. Also according to the Bible there only is one god, Yahweh, and if that is correct there is no Allah to forgive anything at all. The fact that the Quran with all its mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) is from no god indicates that the Bible is right at least on the last point.

323 4/116b: "- - - sins - - - (- - - Right) - - -". See 2/21b above.

324 4/116c: "- - - joining other gods with Him (Allah*) - - -". See 4/36b above.

325 4/116d: "- - - (a non-Muslim*) hath strayed far, far away (from the Right)". Who has strayed furthest away? - one believing in a claimed holy book too full of mistakes for a god to be involved, or the one able to see that things are very wrong in that book?

Besides according to the Bible it may be wise to follow the road to Yahweh instead.

326 4/117a: "(The Pagans (here pagan Arabs*)) leaving Him (Allah*), call but upon female deities (al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat*)- - -". What is happening here, is that the pagan Arabs called on their pagan god al-Lah (also the name Allah was used before Muhammad, but Muhammad made it his only name), but they also called on their slightly smaller (female) deities al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat - and others. But as Muhammad claimed al-Lah in reality was his claimed god Allah, a twist of logic and pronunciation of the name was all it took, and he could pretend they left Allah when they worshipped some other god(s) - or goddess(es), whereas the reality was they never worshipped Muhammad's variety of the god, Allah, but their own variety, al-Lah, plus other deities.

327 4/117b: "- - - Satan - - -". See 4/60d above.

#328 4/118a: "Allah did curse him (Satan*) - - -". The old fact: Not unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

329 4/118b: "But he (Satan*) said - - -". The old fact also goes for him: He said nothing unless he exists. And the next question is: Even if he exists and has power, does the Quran tell the truth about him among the entire book's hundreds and hundreds and more mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies)?.

###330 4/119a: "Whoever, forsaking Allah (= non-Muslim*), takes Satan for a friend - - -". No comments - use your own brain (also about distaste and hate mongering in the Quran). It would be the pinnacle if irony if the theory that the dark forces are behind the Quran, is the true one. Also see 4/118b above.

Well, we may mention that an alternative exists according to the Bible: Take Yahweh for a friend.

That non-Muslims were friends of Satan, was one of Muhammad's many negative names Muhammad used for non-Muslims. The name is even today in official use - f.x. "the Big Satan" = USA. But try to use even much weaker bad names about Muslims in official medias and see the reaction.

331 4/119b: "- - - Satan - - -". See 4/60d above.

332 4/119c: "- - - (non-Muslims*) hath of a surety suffered a loss that is manifest". Muhammad often used strengthening words - also this is a tendency normal for cheats and deceivers - and for politicians - but no matter how strong words one uses, the reality is not changed. As said before: No matter what number you multiply zero with, you never get more than zero. (But of course some believe more and easier if you use strong words - normal for the not too intelligent and/or not too knowledgably ones, and one of the reasons why such people are more easily duped than the intelligent ones.)

333 4/120a: "Satan - - -". See 4/60d above.

334 4/120b: "Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but Satan's promises are nothing but deception". Somewhat ironical as one of the theories for who made the Quran, just is that it is made by Satan (not a few points in the Quran may indicate something like that - f.x. some of the moral rules, rules for raids and war and the use of dishonesty, etc.)

335 4/120-121: "Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but Satan's promises are nothing but deception. They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in Hell, and from it they will find no way of escape". The thought provoking fact here is that if the theory in 4/120b just above is correct, all Muslims are his dupes. Just here it also may be worth remembering that Muhammad made lots of promises which created desires in his followers - and far from all those desires were in accordance with "do to others like you want others do against you", or in accordance with what wishes and rules one might expect from a god who really was good and benevolent, and not only claimed to be so.

It would be the pinnacle of irony if it turned out that the theory that Satan is the real maker of the Quran, turned out to be the true one.

336 4/122a: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

337 4/122b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall soon admit (the Muslims*) to Gardens - - -". Impossible unless he exists, unless he is a major god, unless he has gardens, and unless the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about his religion (if not others than the Muslims may be the ones ending in Paradise).

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

338 4/122c: "- - - Gardens - - -". Islam tells there are 4 or 6 or more Gardens (at least 4 according to 55/46+62 in the Quran) - one better than the other (but only like a poor, naive, and uneducated primitive desert warrior's dream of a king's lazy luxury life on Earth) - in Paradise. This you do not find in the Bible. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, the Paradise had been the same.

One point the Quran never explains, is how it is possible for you to have your family around you like the Quran promises, if not all of them qualifies for the same heaven or garden? Your son and daughter qualify for garden number 1 and 3 respectively, your wife for number 2, whereas you yourself were killed in the Battle of Tours in 732 AD and qualify for Firdaws. How to collect your family around you, like the Quran states is a fact?

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

339 4/122d: "- - - to dwell therein (Paradise*) for ever - - -". But 11/107a and 11/108 may indicate it is not really forever. Muslims explains this away with that it just means the resurrected there will be placed to an even better place - not too difficult as the Quran's Paradise is too primitive to be worthy of an omniscient and omnipotent god but the Quran does not say so, which means this is a made up "explanation". There is no similar indication in the Bible.

340 4/122e: "Allah's promise is the truth - - -". Allah can neither give nor keep a promise unless he exists and in this case also is something supernatural, good or bad. Remarkably there never was a proved case of neither Allah giving nor keeping a promise - thousands of claims, but not one proved case.

341 4/122f: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

342 4/122g: "- - - whose word can be truer than Allah's?" According to the Bible no-one is truer than Yahweh. And we may add that if Allah does not exist, anybody's word may be truer than Allah's claimed words. And even if he all the same should happen to exist and be a god, many can be truer than Allah, as Allah according both to the Quran and to Hadiths believes in the use of dishonesty, cheating, deception and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

Not to mention how many can be truer than Allah if he happens to belong to the dark forces.

343 4/123a: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

344 4/123b: "Nor will he (a non-Muslim*) find, besides Allah, any protector or helper". According to the Bible, the believers in Yahweh will find a helper in Yahweh. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

345 4/124a: "- - - righteousness - - - injustice - - -". See 2/21b above.

346 4/124b: "- - - injustice - - -". Please read the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code and the unjust parts of the sharia laws, etc. No more comments necessary.

347 4/125a: "Who then can do better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah - - -". As this means believing in and living according to the Quran and all its errors, etc. which proves the Quran is not from a god, the answer is plain and simple: Almost anybody - at least almost anybody outside war and apartheid religions (and there only is one such of any size in the world today). If there instead exists a real god anywhere - f.x. Yahweh - the addition is: The followers of an existing god definitely do better in religion than the ones following made up and/or pagan gods. The witness from all the errors and worse in the Quran + its very special narrator + the fact that Allah never has manifested himself anywhere in the world outside that book and in the mouth of Muhammad, makes the chances for that he exists infinitesimal or smaller.

348 4/125b: "- - - does good - - -". See 2/21b above.

349 4/125c: "- - - Abraham the true in faith - - -". Also according to the Bible Abraham was true in faith, but towards Yahweh - according to that book Abraham never heard about Allah (and reality around the Quran indicates that at least on this point the Bible is right).

350 4/125d: "For Allah did take Abraham for a friend". According to the Bible Abraham's god was Yahweh, not Allah. According to known information it is highly unlikely Abraham or his near descendants had any connection to Arabia. And according to known information + geographical and other facts it is unlikely in the extreme that Abraham ever visited Arabia, not to mention the area where Mecca later grew up. The conclusion: The chances for any connections between Abraham and Allah - if he exists and is a god - also are infinitesimal.

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

351 4/126: "But to Allah belong all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". According to the Bible this belongs to Yahweh - both the two books cannot be true on this point. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something does not mean that it does not merit a comment.)

€€€352 4/127-130: This is not from the Bible - like so much in the Quran. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

##353 4/127a: "Allah doth instruct you about them (Women*) - - -". As the instruction is in the Quran, and the Quran with all its mistakes, etc. is not from any god, then who has in reality given the instructions? - how correct are they? - and what are they really worth as there is no god and thus no moral imperative behind them?

Also the fact(?) that Allah gave such instructions, but Yahweh not, indicates that they were not the same god.

354 4/127b+128: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do". The ever recurring fact: Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

That non-Muslims were friends of Satan, was one of Muhammad's many negative names Muhammad used for non-Muslims. The name is even today in official use - f.x. "the Big Satan" = USA. But try to use even much weaker bad names about Muslims in official medias and see the reaction. 

355 4/129a: "Ye (Muslims*) are never able to be fair and just as between women - - -". This is nearly the only - if not the very only - argument in the Quran against polygamy (because the Quran says you shall treat your wives equal). In the NT there are not arguments, but strong prohibitions against polygamy. One more of the 200% proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad were not even in the same religion.

356 4/129b: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful - - -". A parallel to 4/16b above.

357 4/130a: "- - - His (Allah's*) All-Reaching bounty - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists and is a major god - something the fact that a book as full of errors as the Quran is not from any god, more or less proves is not the case. We may also remind you that "Allah's" bounty here on Earth, Muhammad and his Muslims to a large degree stole/looted from their victims, and did not get from Allah.

358 4/130b: "- - - Allah is He that careth for all (people*) - - -". See 4/127-128 above.

359 4/130c: "- - - Allah - - - is Wise". Not if he sent down the Quran and all its mistakes, etc.

360 4/131a: "But to Allah belong all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". According to the Bible this belongs to Yahweh - both the two books cannot be true on this point. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something does not mean that it does not merit a comment.)

361 4/131b: "Verily, We (Allah*) have directed the People of the Book before you (Muslims*) - - -". For one thing this is not possible unless Allah existed and was a god, and for another the Bible tells that their god was Yahweh, not Allah (and as "the People of the Book" have a documented history far back, it is likely this is the truth).

362 4/131c: "- - - fear Allah". What for if he does not exist and/or is not a god?

363 4/131d: "- - - Allah is - - - worthy of all praise". There are strong circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that he does not exist, and for that he in no case is a god. (He may simply be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book so full or mistakes, etc. that no god was ever involved in it + compulsion from parents, neighbors, and imams/mullahs/Muslim scholars.) Besides: Please read the surahs from Medina - skip the cheap, glorifying words dictators normally use about themselves, and judge from the far more reliable deeds, demands, introduced codes of conduct, codes of moral, etc. (When there are discrepancies between words and reality, we always believe in the reality.) Do you find he deserves praise even if he should happen to exist?

364 4/132a: "But to Allah belong all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". See 4/131a above.

365 4/132b: "- - - enough is Allah to carry through all affairs". A parallel to 4/131a above.

366 4/133a: "If if were His (Allah's*) Will, He could - - -". One of many places Muhammad boast about all the things Allah can do if he only willed. But by an unlucky coincidence he never willed. If the old books tell the truth, Yahweh and Jesus proved at least some of what they told, but Allah and Muhammad never anything - only lose words and as lose claims (though big and strong some of them - but loose).

367 4/133b: "- - - He (Allah*) could - - - create another race - - -". Allah never proved he had power neither to create nor to recreate. For a comparison Yahweh did so several times and in front of many witnesses, if the old books tell the truth about this.

368 4/133c: "- - - He (Allah*) hath power this to do". He in case never provably has showed neither this power nor any other. Not once. Islam had told you and anybody about it had ever happened, and there never was any such proved story.

369 4/134a: "- - - in Allah's (gift) is - - -". This is one of the many things which does not exist unless Allah exists, is something supernatural, good or bad, and is reasonably correct described among all the errors in the Quran.

370 4/134b: "- - - for Allah heareth and seeth (all things)". Not correct unless Allah exists and is a god, neither of which has ever been proved - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap, obedient warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

371 4/135a: "Stand out firmly for justice - - -". Was it justice to go on raids to steal and rob and extort and take slaves and kill? As for justice also see 2/21b above and 4/135b just below.

372 4/135b: "- - - justice - - -" Please read the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code and the unjust parts of the sharia laws, etc. No more comments necessary.

373 4/135c: "- - - witness for Allah - - -". Why does an omniscient god need witnesses? There only is one logical explanation: They are needed in case others will not believe him. But is not Allah reliable?

374 4/135d: "- - - for Allah can best protect - - -". Once more: Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Not to mention: According to the Bible Yahweh is the best protector.

375 4/135e: "- Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do". See 4/134b above.

376 4/136a: "Believe in Allah and his Messenger - - -". A strengthened version of Muhammad's chief mantra to glue himself to his platform of power - his claimed god. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this.

377 4/136b: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 4/115b above. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

378 4/136c: "- - - the scripture (the Quran*) He (Allah*) hath sent His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". No god ever has sent a book of a quality like the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc. This claim also is Muhammad’s main mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power. Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

Also see 45/13a below.

379 4/136d: "- - - and the scriptures which He (Allah*) sent to those before (him (Muhammad*))". Muhammad here refers to the Bible/Jewish scriptures, and claims them for his god, Allah. But for one thing this is not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). For another thing the Bible tells that its god is Yahweh, not Allah, and according to all normal ways of evaluating historical sources, the Bible is reckoned to be more reliable on things like this - f.x. written down much nearer to when things happened, and from a much stronger tradition (to say the least of it). And not least: Much is from times of written history in that area, so that we have much background knowledge. We f.x. know that at least after 1ooo-800 (and hardly for a long time before) there was no god like Allah and no religion like Islam in any area relevant for Israelites = no god like Allah ever was involved with the Israelites or their prophets - included Jesus - during this time. And these are historical facts, not religious claims.

380 4/136e: "Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His books, His Messengers, and the day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray". According to the Bible the only ones who have gone astray, are the ones not believing in the one and only god Yahweh. There also is the question: Who id furthest astray - the one believing in a book too full of mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) to have a god behind it, or the one able to see that things are very wrong in that book and thus in that religion?

Also see the sinister 34/50a below.

381 4/136f: "- - - His (Allah's*) Messengers - - -". Only one messenger or "messenger" for Allah has ever been documented: Muhammad.

#382 4/137a: "Allah will not forgive them (the ones leaving Islam*) - - -". And so what if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. (And even if he should happen to exist and be a god, the Quran is so unreliable - because it as said is full or mistakes, contradiction, invalid logic, etc. and even a few(?) lies, and thus impossibly the voice of a god - that his religion in case may be wildly different from what Muhammad claimed (f.x. the religion of Yahweh?))

This - and some other verses in the Quran - also has another implication: Muslims of today sometimes say that Islam is such a good religion that nobody leaves it. This and other similar verses prove that people were leaving Islam already at the time of Muhammad. (This provably happens also today, and also provably more Muslims would like to leave, but it is too troublesome or even dangerous - the "Let there be no compulsion in religion" is one of the black jokes of Islam and of the Quran even more when you are a Muslim than when you are a non-Muslim.

383 4/137b: "Allah will not - - - guide them (the ones leaving Islam*) - - -". Allah can guide no-one unless he exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran. If the old books tell the truth, Yahweh and Jesus proved at least some of what they told, but Allah and Muhammad never anything - only lose words and as lose claims (though big and strong some of them).

384 4/137c: "- - - the Way (to Allah's Paradise*) - - -". Neither of which exists unless Allah exists and is a major god.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

#385 4/138: "To the Hypocrites give them the glad tidings that there is for them (but) a grievous Penalty". They at least can be given the glad tiding that if Allah does not exist or for other reasons is not a god, neither his Hell nor his claimed punishment exists. This also may be the case if he all the same exists and is a god, but the Quran has referred his religion wrong, like so many other things that book tells wrongly. (But judging from the reality in the Quran and not only from the glorious words there, the chances for his existence are less than infinitesimal - no omniscient god is behind any book of that quality. As said other places in this book: Only the "wrapping paper" - the Arab linguistics - is of good quality in the Quran. And also no good and benevolent god would engage in such a harsh and partly immoral war religion, led by a harsh and bloody warlord, like described in the Quran. It is heresy and an insult and slander towards any god to blame such a book on him, and even more so on a good and benevolent one.)

386 4/139a: "- - - to those who take for friends Unbelievers (non-Muslims*) rather than Believers (Muslims*): is it honor they seek among them? Nay - all honor is with Allah". In clear language: Do not take non-Muslims for friends, or at least do not prefer any of them before your Muslim friends.

###387 4/139b: Muhammad Asad in "The Message of the Quran" has an interesting comment here (translated from Swedish):"As copying of the style of life from those who strongly oppose Islam has to create conflicts with the moral principles of the true faith (Islam*), this inexorably leads to that these principles little by little are left behind".

To turn the table: "As copying of the Islamic style of life (in Islamic countries, or if you become a Muslim*) has to created conflict with normal moral principles, this inexorably leads to that normal moral principles are left behind".

When you know the difference between the immoral parts of the Quran's moral principles and normal moral principles, included "do to others like you want others do to you", you should think over which way is best to read these two quotes.

388 4/139c: "- - - all honor is with Allah". For one thing this is wrong unless Allah at least exists and is a god. Besides: Take a look at the Quran's code of moral, of behavior, of law, etc. and on its apartheid ideology, etc. - compare it to f.x. "do to others like you want others do to you". How much honor does he represent? - or deserve?

389 4/140a: "Already has He (Allah*) sent you word in the Book (here the Quran*) - - -". The Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc. is not from any god.

390 4/140b: "- - - Signs of Allah - - -". The Quran many places talks about "signs" - which is quran-speak for proofs - or even "proofs" from Allah - often natural phenomena - which is indicated to mean proofs for Allah and his existence and power. But they all and without exception are logically invalid, as exactly none of them first are proved really to be caused by Allah. Thus in each and every case any believer in any religion can make just the same claims on behalf of his/her god(s), as long as they - just like Muhammad - can flee from all requests for a proof. There is no exception in the entire Quran, and also not in the Hadiths, from this fact.

This total lack of proofs for Allah and for Muhammad's connection to a god - Allah or not - is one of the weak spots for Islam and for Muslims. And even worse: The extended use of invalid "Signs" (intended to be proofs) and "proofs" is even more questionable - the one having to rely on such "arguments" normally is the cheat, the swindler, the deceiver. And Muhammad is extra suspect here, as both the Quran, Hadiths, and in Islamic history literature tell he accepted and even himself used dishonesty as a working tool (f.x. "miracles will make no-one believe anyhow" or "you will not die in battle unless your predestined time is up, and then you will die anyhow" - he was too intelligent not to know that was a lie - his point of view concerning breaking of oaths, etc.

The Quran's strong use of signs/proofs any intelligent person knows are invalid as proofs, is a negative indication, partly because it as said is a hallmark for dishonest strategies, but as much because it documents that Muhammad had nothing real to show for his words. If he had had, he had used that instead of this helplessness.

In all the Quran - and anywhere else - there simply is not one valid sign (in the Quran indicated to be proofs) for Allah - or for Muhammad's connection to a god. This is one of Islam's big problems: There exists not one valid proof for any central point in the entire religion - only the word of a man with a very doubtful moral and reliability, and believing in the use of dishonesty (al-Taqiyya - the lawful lie - and Kitman - the lawful half-truth), deceit, betrayal, and even breaking of words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a) as working tools, and a man wanting respect, power, and riches for bribes - and women - - - and not least a man using his god for his platform of power. This is a main reason for why it may be death penalty for doubting that Muhammad in reality was a saint who always was truthful - if people see the real, historical Muhammad and see how little reliable and moral he was, the bottom fall out under the religion.

A thought provoking fact here is: Who is it who has to rely on not proved or even made up claims? - the cheat and the deceiver. And who is it who tends to or needs to impress and impress and impress how truthful he is and how many arguments he has? - the same person. Compare this to the may be hundreds of times Muhammad makes big points out of his claimed, but never valid (as it never is proved that it is Allah who causes them), but many different "signs" and sometimes "proofs". Any trained listener becomes suspicious to such tales and that kind of in reality invalid argumentation, especially when the narrator does not have even one single real proof to back up all his easy claims with - claims anybody can make for hundred a cent if they can evade the requests for proofs. And this negative impression is strengthened by the Quran's repeated and repeated and repeated claims about telling the truth. Who is it who has the strongest urge to impress that he is telling the truth? - it is the same cheat and deceiver, swindler and charlatan. The Quran's enormous use of invalid "signs"/"proofs", and it’s as big overuse of the word "truth" both are bad indicators.

 

Also beware that sometimes Muhammad does not mean external phenomena when he talks about "signs", but the surahs and verses in the Quran. But this is as meaningless as signs or proofs for Allah, as the legion numbers of mistakes, contradictions, etc. make that book invalid as witness or proof for anything at all, unless additional proofs are given - something Muhammad never gave for the central claims in his new religion. Besides a book full of errors and worse, contradictions, invalid logic, and generally low quality, except the "wrapping paper" - the formal use of the Arab language (a result of some 250 years of polishing it by the best of Islamic brains, till it got its final form around 900 AD) - is no reliable proof for an omniscient god. On the contrary - no omniscient god would deliver that quality.

Also beware; "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "A claim without a proof can be dismissed without a proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion", And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that words like "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs, and far too easily and often jump from "may be" to "is" - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

Finally: Also see 20/126 and not least 36/33 below.

391 4/140c: "For Allah will collect the Hypocrites and those who defy Faith (Islam*) - all in Hell - - -". Impossible unless he exists and has the necessary power, something the Bible says only Yahweh has got.

392 4/141a: "But Allah will judge between you (god and bad people - only Muslims are claimed to be good*) on the Day of Judgment". For one thing this is impossible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). For another: According to the Bible it will be Yahweh who is ruling that day, not Allah.

393 4/141b: "And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers (non-Muslims*) a way (to triumph) over the believers (Muslims*)". Wrong according to the Bible - there it is foretold that it is the followers of Yahweh who will triumph. (Also history many a time has seen non-Muslims win over Muslims.)

####394 4/142a: "- - - they (hypocrites*) think they are overreaching (cheating*) Allah, but He will overreach them - - -". This is one of the points behind the Quran's and Islam's acceptance of use of dishonesty as a working tool - f.x. al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth). What Allah and for that case Muhammad accepted and practiced, of course was morally good and could be practiced by any Muslim except in the rare cases where special prohibitions prevented it (ordinary Muslims f.x. can have 4 wives "only", even though Muhammad could have as many as he wanted*).

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Strategm to avoid or circumvent legal prinsiples or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choices, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campained of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguice. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

395 4/142b: "- - - prayer - - -". See 4/77a above.

396 4/142c: "- - - little do they (hypocrites*) hold Allah in remembrance". Why should they, if they were among the many who saw things were much wrong in Muhammad's new religion, but pretended to be Muslims f.x. to be able to get bribes or take part in stealing/looting, raping, slave taking, etc.

397 4/143a: "Whom Allah leaves straying - never wilt thou (Muslims/Muhammad*) find for him a Way (to salvation*)". Compare this to f.x. "the Lost Coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the Lost Sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the Lost Son" (Luke 15/11-31). Or to Jesus words: "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. - - - For I have not come to call the righteous, but the sinners" (Matt. 9/12-13).

398 4/143b: "- - - the Way (to Allah's Paradise*) - - -". Neither of which exists unless Allah exists and is a major god.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

399 4/144a: "Take not for friends unbelievers (non-Muslims*) rather than believers (Muslims*) - - -". A parallel to 4/139a above.

#400 4/144b: "Take not for friends unbelievers (non-Muslims*) rather than believers (Muslims*): do ye (Muslims*) wish to offer an open proof against yourselves?". To do this is a clear proof for that you are not a good Muslim. Does anybody wonder why integration of Muslims in non-Muslim cultures is difficult?

401 4/145: "The hypocrites will be in the lovest depths of the Fire - - -". One of Muhammad's ever so many never documented claims in the Quran. On top of all they are untrue if Allah does not exist, if he for other reasons is not a god - - - and even if he exists and is a god, it may be untrue if not the Quran has described his religion completely and without errors among all the mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) in that book. (One small point: According to Islam Hell has 7 sections, one worse than the other. The Bible only says Hell. A small(?) difference, but one more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.)

402 4/146a: "Except for those (non-Muslims*) who repent, mend (their lives), hold fast to Allah, and purify their religion in Allah's sight: if so they will be (numbered) with the believers". But to what effect if Islam is a made up religion not from any god, like all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran prove? Even worse perhaps: If the Bible happens to be the truth, the only sure way is to become a follower of Yahweh, whereas at least the immoral parts of the Quran is sure not to lead to Paradise (something which may be understandable).

403 4/146b: "And soon Allah will grant to the believers (Muslims*) a reward of immense value (Paradise*)". Well, according to the Bible it is the followers of Yahweh who will be granted this. The Bible also indirectly, but very clearly tells that Muslims normally will not qualify for the Paradise - for one thing they believe in another (and thus according to the Bible not existing) god, and for the other they do not live up to the standards (f.x. morally) Yahweh expects and demands.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

404 4/146c: "And soon Allah will grant to the believers (Muslims*) a reward of immense value (Paradise*)". Not possible unless Allah exists and in addition is a major god none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

405 4/147a: "What can Allah gain by your punishment - - -". If he belongs to the dark forces, he can gain pleasure.

406 4/147b: "- - - it is Allah who recognized (all good) - - -". Not unless he exists and is a god, neither of which was ever proved.

407 4/147c: "- - - (- - - good) - - -". See 2/21b above.

408 4/147d: "- - - Allah - - - knoweth all things". See 4/134 above.

409 4/148a: "- - - evil - - - injustice - - -". See 2/21b above.

410 4/148b: "- - - Allah is He W heareth and knoweth all things". See 4/134b above. As for knowledge also see 22/3a below - an interesting one.

411 4/149a: "- - - good - - - evil - - - (sins) - - -". See 2/21b above.

412 4/149b: "- - - Allah doth blot out (sins) (= forgive*) - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran. If the old books tell the truth, Yahweh and Jesus proved at least some of what they told - and thus perhaps also their power to forgive may be true. But Allah and Muhammad never proved anything - only lose words and as lose claims (though big and strong some of them - but loose).

413 4/149c: "- - - (sin) - - -". See 2/21b above.

414 4/149d: "- - - Allah - - - hath power - - -". He in case has never proved that power. For a comparison Yahweh has done so many times and in front of many witnesses, if the old books tell the truth.

415 4/150a: "- - - Allah and his Messenger - - -". Muhammad's standard mantra to glue himself to his platform of power, his god. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this. Also see 4/81a above and 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

416 4/150b: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

417 4/151a: "They (non-Muslims*) are in truth (equally) unbelievers - - -". According to the Bible it is the ones not believing in Yahweh who are unbelievers - and according to the Bible's definition Muslims are unbelievers who instead believe in a made up god.

418 4/151b: "- - - We (Allah*) have prepared for the unbelievers (non-Muslims*) a humiliating punishment (Hell*)". Not true unless Allah is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved - and with enough power to send people to Hell, something only Yahweh has according to the Bible.

419 4/152a: "- - - Allah and his Messenger - - -". Muhammad's standard mantra to glue himself to his platform of power, his god. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this. Also see 4/81a above and 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

420 4/152b: "- - - Messenger - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

421 4/152c: "- - - make no distinction between any of the Messengers - - -". This point is not respected by the Quran itself, as it places Muhammad far higher than any of its other claimed messengers, and also it places its messengers wrongly claimed (according to the Bible) for Allah like Abraham, Moses, and Jesus above its "normal" claimed messengers.

422 4/152d: "- - - We (Allah*) shall soon give (them - Muslims*) their (due) rewards - - -". Allah can give neither reward nor punishment unless he exists and is a god. Besides there is the question: What if the religion of Islam is wrongly described among all the other errors in the Quran? - not necessarily a made up religion (even though there are strong circumstantial and empirical proofs for that, the proofs are not of mathematical strength), but wrongly described?

423 4/152e: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful - - -". A parallel to 4/16b above.

424 4/153a: "- - - they (the Israelites*) said (to Moses*): 'Show us Allah in public - - -". Even if we omit the fact that the Israelites' god was not Allah but Yahweh, this is not from the Bible. On the contrary: The Bible tells it was Yahweh who wanted to show the Israelites an incarnation of himself - and the Israelites were frightened even at the thought of it. (2. Mos. 19/10-20).

425 4/153b: "- - - Clear Signs - - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.<(p>

426 4/154a: "As for their (the Israelites'*) Covenant We (Allah*) raised over them (the towering height) of (Mount) Sinai - - -". This verse is not from the Bible.

An interesting part here is that the inclusion "(the towering height)" is not from the Arab original - the good and reliable Muslim Abdullah Yusuf Ali has made the book a little more scientifically believable. In the Arab original texts Allah lifted Mount Sinai over the Israelites - like a ceiling or a canopy. As for lifting the Mount Sinai above them - such a miracle surely had been mentioned in the Bible if it had been true.

427 4/154b: "We (Allah*) took from them (the Jews*) a solemn Covenant". According to the Bible, their covenant was with Yahweh, not with Allah. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception just are built on other not proved claims (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explain away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "A claim without a proof can be dismissed without a proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or something else central in his religion.)

428 4/155a: "- - - they (the Jews*) broke their covenant - - -". For one thing according to the Bible their covenant was with Yahweh, not with Allah. For another: The covenant according to the Bible was broken and mistreated several times, but never terminated. And also Yahweh some of places in the Bible directly says it will never be ended - f.x. 3. Mos. 26/44, 5. Mos. 4/31, Jud. 2/1, Ps. 111/5, Is. 59/21b, Is. 60/19, Eze. 37/26. If the Bible describes Yahweh correctly, he should be reliable - and thus the covenant still existing and incorporated in the New Covenant (f.x Luke 22/20) via Jesus.

#429 4/155b: "- - - Signs of Allah - - -". There exists nowhere a valid sign of Allah - neither in nor outside the Quran. The reason why the claimed signs normally are invalid, is that it nowhere is proved that it really is Allah who is behind the claimed signs - just like Muhammad did, any believer in any religion can claim the same "signs" as free of charge for his/her god(s) as long as they like Muhammad can evade all requests for proofs. Extra thought provoking here is: Who is it who has to rely on invalid claims and as invalid "signs" and "proofs"? - the cheater, the swindler, the deceiver.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or something else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

430 4/155c: "- - - (the Jews*) slew the Messengers in defiance of right - - -". Take a look in the Bible - how many of the prophets ("Messenger" is not used as a title in the Bible) really were killed? And as for "in defiance of right" - according to the Bible it is never right to kill a (real) prophet (or anybody else).

431 4/155d: "- - - Allah hath set seal on their (non-Muslims’*) hearts (so that they should not find the god*) - - -". For one thing this was impossible unless Allah existed and had the power. For another: Compare this to "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), or "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13).

432 4/155e: "- - - blasphemy - - -". There is no blasphemy to disbelieve in Allah or in his claimed power and deeds, if he does not exist. There never was a proof for Allah, and "a claim put forth without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof" - - - in addition to that all the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in the Quran prove more than 100% that it is not from any god.

433 4/156: "- - - they (Jews and Christians*) uttered against Mary a grave false charge - - -". The claimed - never proved as normal for Muhammad - false charge is what the Bible tells about Jesus' death. See 4/157a just below.

There also is another possible meaning: That they claimed Jesus was a result of a "loose connection". If that is what is meant, the Quran clearly states that the accusation is wrong, as it tells she was a virgin (3/47a, 19/20, 21/91a, 66/12b) no less than 4 places. Thus Muslims using this claim for slander, at the same time claims that there at least are 4 mistakes in the Quran).

434 4/157a: "- - - they (the Jews*) said (in boast), 'We killed Christ Jesus - - - but they killed him not - - -". This was an essential point for Muhammad: If Jesus was killed and then resurrected, nobody would believe that Muhammad was a greater prophet and had better contact with the god than Jesus. Besides: The resurrection might indicate that perhaps Jesus was more than a normal human, and Muhammad was unable to see that someone or something might be of divine stock without being a god (it is possible to be of royal family - f.x. a son - without being the king). Therefore he claimed that Jesus was not killed - but "a claim put forth without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof", and especially when there were hundreds and likely thousands of witnesses to his death.

435 4/157b: "- - - they (the Jews*) said (in boast), 'We killed Christ Jesus - - - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear for them - - -". Muhammad was not and Islam is not able to explain how this can be true. One "explanation" is that another man was executed instead - but where to find a man looking so similar to Jesus that if could fool friends and foes and family? - and read the story in the Bible: What innocent man dying in enormous agony would say and do this - and what stranger would know Jesus well enough to be able to say and do this even if he wanted to?

Not to mention: What man would not scream out that they had crucified wrong man, in the hope of saving his life and to get release from the pain?

"A claim put forth without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". And: "A strong claim demands a strong proof". Muhammad had and Islam has only lame claims dressed up in strong sentences as "explanation" for their claims here.

436 4/157ba: "- - - Christ Jesus - - -". See 3/45a above.

437 4/157c: "- - - Jesus, the son of Mary - - -". Muhammad used this expression to underline his never documented, never proved claim that Jesus was not the son of Yahweh. Actually as Joseph was his accepted and official father here on Earth, Jesus' correct name was Jesus, son of Joseph - Jesus ben Joseph (or as Jesus is the Greek form of the Hebrew Joshua: Joshua ben Joseph). But as known Muhammad did not mind the truth too much if twisting the truth gave a better result. We may add that in the Bible Jesus is called the son of Yahweh ca. 90 times, and Yahweh is called the father of Jesus more than 200 times, in both cases often by Jesus himself, and even the Quran tells that Jesus was a truthful and reliable prophet.

Another point: AS THE QURAN IN 21/91a CONFIRMS THAT IT WAS THE GOD WHO CREATED JESUS INSIDE MARY, HOW WAS/IS IT THEN POSSIBLE FOR MUHAMMAD, THE QURAN, ISLAM, AND MUSLIMS TO CLAIM THE GOD WAS NOT JESUS' FATHER?? THE ONE CREATING A BABY INSIDE A WOMAN, IS THE FATHER.

A small, but telling curiosa here: According to our sources, the Arab version of the name Jesus/Joshua is Yoshuva or Yushuwa, whereas the Arab form of the name Esau is Isa. This in case means that when Muhammad talked about Isa, he was talking about Esau (the brother of the Jewish patriarch Jacob), not about Jesus like he believed. No god would make such a stupid mistake. Then who made the Quran? 

438 4/157d: "- - - and those who differ therein (believe Jesus was killed*) are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow - - -" According to the Bible no-one was in doubt about Jesus' death - and according to the Bible they had hard facts to follow to say the least of it. One more of Muhammad's never proved claims, and remember: "A claim without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof".

Remember: In this case and all other cases where a Muslim puts fort claims, demand proofs from him. He will seldom be able to prove anything about Islam, and never any of the main points - he may quote from the Quran, but the Quran is so unreliable and full of mistakes, etc. that also that is no proof. (As for "knowledge" also see 22/3a below).

439 4/157e "- - - for of a surety they (the Israelites*) killed him (Jesus*) not - - -". 180 degree opposed by the Bible - and no kind of proofs from Islam (the Bible at least refers to lots of witnesses - friends and enemies). It also is very clear from history what the early Christians said. Islam had better prove something, because: "A claim put forth without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof".

440 4/157f: "- - - a surety - - -". Loose words without proofs are cheap.

441 4/158a: "Nay, Allah raised him (Jesus*) up unto Himself - - -". Muhammad claimed that Jesus was not executed and thus not resurrected - he could not afford to admit such things if he himself wished to be the greatest of prophets - but as Jesus disappeared, obviously something had happened, and what Muhammad claimed had happened, was that Jesus without any troubles first, simply was taken up to heaven alive. Very different from what is told in the Bible - and as it is likely the Bible is telling the truth when it says Jesus was killed (there f.x. were too many witnesses, so that it would not be possible for the apostles to falsify this), Islam has to produce some proofs if they want to be believed - "A claim put forth without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof" and: "A strong claim demands a strong proof".

But to be exact: Even though this is the normal way of understanding this point, it is not directly said Jesus was taken up to Heaven alive (this is clearly said in the Bible).

442 4/158b: "- - - Allah is Exalted in Power- - -". He in case never provably has showed any exalted power. Besides according to the Bible the only one really exalted in power is Yahweh.

443 4/158c: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he delivered the Quran.

444 4/159a: "And there is none of the People of the Book must believe in him (Allah*) before his (women does not count much in Islam*) death - - -". According to Hadiths this means that in the moment of death they all understood/accepted that Allah was the god. You of course may believe this - but remember that Islam also claims all babies are born Muslims, but their parents destroy the belief. This is about as unlikely and exactly as undocumented.

Loose claims are cheap, real proofs are reliable.

445 4/159b: "- - - on the Day of Judgment he (Jesus*) will be a witness - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need witnesses?

446 4/160a: "For the inequity of the Israelites, We (Allah*) made unlawful for them certain (foods) good and wholesome which had been lawful for them - in that they hindered many from Allah's Way - - -". The Jewish rules for so-called "kosher" - permitted - food are somewhat strict, but there nowhere in the Bible is indicated that the reason is punishment for sins (and that the sin was that they hindered people from becoming Muslims is up to you to find out if you are able to believe in it, but remember that the Jewish food laws are part of "the Laws of Moses" from around 1235 BC - some 1850 years before the first known Muslim). One of Muhammad's very many undocumented claims.

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

447 4/160b: "- - - Allah's Way". This does not exist unless Allah exists, plus is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved, plus - not least - his religion must be reasonably correctly described among all the hundreds and more errors in the Quran.

448 4/161a: "- - - they (the Jews*) took usury, though they were forbidden - - -". All interest on lent money is "usury" and forbidden in Islam (and lively circumnavigated), but there is no such prohibition in the Bible. (Also may be Islam's total prohibition here is wrong, because "usury" was one of the words Muhammad never defined - did he mean all interest or only unjust interest?)

449 4/161b: "- - - for those among them (the Jews*) who reject Faith (Islam*) a grievous punishment". According to the Bible the ones who will fare badly in the possible next life, are the ones not following Yahweh. Besides Allah can prepare nothing of this kind unless he exists and in addition is either a god or a devil.

450 4/162a: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 22/3b below - an interesting one.

451 4/162b: "- - - believe in what (the Quran*) was revealed to thee (Muhammad*) - - -". Was the Quran really revealed? - and in case from what or whom as no god ever was involved in a book of that quality?

Also see 2/285b above and 45/13a below.

452 4/162c: "- - - regular prayer - - -". See 4/77a above.

453 4/162d: "- - - regular charity - - -". The Bible, but also the Quran honors charity much. The difference between the Quran and the Bible here is that the Quran several places stresses that you shall not give more than you can afford, a limit you do not find in the Bible - on the contrary in the Bible the idol is the old widow who gave everything she owned. And also in the Quran the main thing in charity is to gain merit in Heaven, whereas in especially NT empathy with the poor ones is more of a part in it. Also see 4/77b above.

454 4/162e: "- - - to them (Muslims*) shall We (Allah*) soon give a great reward (Paradise*)". Not possible unless Allah exists and is a god + has a paradise + not least in case of all this, also has a religion so correctly described among all the errors in the Quran, that he accepts Muslims. (We may add that according to the Bible it is the followers of Yahweh who can expect to end in Paradise - and a very different one from what the Quran describes.)

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

455 4/163a: "We (Allah*) has sent thee (Muhammad*) inspiration (texts in the Quran*) - - -". As no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran - who was in reality behind Muhammad's inspiration or "inspiration"? There only are 3 possibilities: Dark forces (and some of the immoral and harsh points in the Quran may indicate this - though we ourselves are reluctant to believe so, as not even a devil would send a book like the Quran, as he had to know he would be looked through and lose credibility sooner or later; well, if not a strong god made it a condition for that the Devil were permitted to lure more people to himself), a mental illness like TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - like modern medical science suspects), or one or more humans - f.x Muhammad himself (all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran which are in accordance with wrong science believed in in Arabia at that time, and apocryphal (made up) stories, plus all the contemporary local folklore, legends, fairy tales, etc. used in the Quran, may indicate this), or a combination of two or all three of these.

456 4/163b: "- - - inspiration - - -". Muhammad claimed he got most of the information he claimed he got from Allah, by inspiration - a very convenient way, as it was impossible for anyone to check if it was true, and also to check how much of the inspiration in case came from a god and how much from other sources. And as he claimed he got it by inspiration, it was convenient for him to claim also the Biblical prophets and others got their information from their god by inspiration - a "proof" for that he himself was an ordinary prophet. But the word "inspiration" is never mentioned in the Bible in such a connection (the Biblical prophets according to the Bible were contacted directly or via visions or dreams - see 4. Mos. 12/6-8 above). Another indication for that Muhammad was not in the same line as the old Jewish prophets, and for that he did not serve the same god as they.

457 4/163c: "- - - Abraham - - - Isaac, Jacob, and the (12 Jewish*) Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David - - -". According to the Bible Yahweh was the god of all these - and likely Ishmael's, too.

458 4/163d: "- - - Ishmael - - -". There is nowhere in the Bible even hinted that Ishmael ever had contact with or from the god - but good psychology from Muhammad to claim so.

459 4/163e: "- - - to David We (Allah*) gave the Psalms". According to science the psalms in the Bible are centuries younger than David, even though they often are named "the Psalms of David". Any god had known this, but Muhammad not.

460 4/164: "- - - and to Moses Allah spoke direct - - -". There is nowhere in the Bible mentioned that Allah spoke to Moses, but there are some places where the Bible tells Yahweh spoke to him. (Now, Muhammad wrongly and like normal for him without the slightest documentation, claimed that Yahweh and Allah were the same god, but all the many and deep differences between them and between their religions and f.x. moral codes, prove beyond both reasonable and unreasonable doubts and stronger that Muhammad's easy claim is wrong.)

461 4/165a: "- - - Allah is Exalted in Power- - -". He in case never provably has showed any exalted power. Besides according to the Bible the only one really exalted in power is Yahweh.

462 4/165b: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he delivered the Quran.

463 4/166a: "But Allah beareth witness that what He hath sent (the Quran*) unto thee (Muhammad*) - - -". No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

464 4/166b: "But Allah beareth witness that what He hath sent (the Quran*) unto thee (Muhammad*) He hath sent from His (own) knowledge - - -". All the mistakes in the Quran in case proves Allah has little knowledge, and the contents of the Quran compared to the contents of especially the NT also prove that the Quran is not from the same god as the Bible - too much is different, and too much is too fundamentally different. (As for knowledge also see 22/3a below).

465 4/166c: "- - - but enough is Allah for a witness". Not unless he exists.

466 4/167a: "Those who reject Faith (Islam*) and keep off (men) from the way of Allah, have strayed far, far away from the Path". Not so the followers of Yahweh according to the Bible - and if Allah is a made up god, the Bible tells Muslims are badly off concerning a possible next life.

Besides: Who is straying most? - the ones blindly believing in a book far too full of errors to be from a god? - or the ones able to see at least some of the mistakes, and able to understand what they mean?

467 4/167b: "- - - the way of Allah - - - the Path". This does not exist unless Allah exists and is a god.

468 4/168a: "- - - do wrong - - -". See 2/21b above.

469 4/168b: "- - - Allah will not forgive - - -". Allah is unable to forgive anyone unless he exists and is a god, neither of which was ever proved. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

470 4/168c: "- - - guide - - -". No-one can reliably guide anybody with a guidebook as full or errors, etc. as the Quran.

471 4/169a: "- - - Hell, to dwell therein for ever". But 11/107a and 11/108 may indicate it is not really forever. Muslims explains this away with that it just means the resurrected there will be placed to an even better place - not too difficult as the Quran's Paradise is too primitive to be worthy of an omniscient and omnipotent god - but the Quran does not say so, which means this is a made up "explanation". There is no similar indication in the Bible.

472 4/169b: "And this (to send non-Muslims to Hell*) to Allah is easy". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides the Bible says that the followers of Yahweh will not end in Hell, even though they definitely are not Muslims.

473 4/170a: "The Messenger (Muhammad*) hath come to you (people/Muslims*) from Allah - - -". No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

474 4/170b: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 4/115b above and 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

475 4/170c: "- - - truth - - -" See 2/26 above.

476 4/170d: "- - - to Allah belong all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". According to the Bible it belongs to Yahweh. Both books cannot be right on this point. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

477 4/170e: "- - - Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise". Not if he delivered the Quran.

####478 4/171a: "- - - nor say of Allah aught but the truth". The truth about Allah is that he exists nowhere outside one single source: The Quran - and the only place he has ever manifested himself, is in the mouth of Muhammad. And the Quran is too full of errors and worse, for any god ever to have been involved in its making or delivery - and delivered by a man of highly disputable moral and reliability, but with much to gain from making people believe in his new religion. This means that the Quran is a made up (or derives - partly or completely - from a mental illness like f.x. TLE, Temporal Lobe Epilepsy), which automatically means Islam is a made up religion, which again means that the chances for that Allah exists are infinitesimal. Add this to the mentioned fact that Allah nowhere and no time ever in any way has manifested himself except in Muhammad's claims, and the chances for that he exist as a powerful god, is zero for all practical purposes and ways of evaluating relevant facts.

479 4/171b: "Christ Jesus - - -". His name was not Christ Jesus, but only Jesus. Christ - or Christos - is Greek for Messiah (= the anointed one), and was not used for Jesus until years after his death and ascension. His name during all his lifetime was Jesus ben Joseph (= Jesus son of Joseph). Or to be more correct: NT was written in Greek, and Jesus is the Greek version of his name. The Hebrew version was Joshua, and thus his name in reality was Joshua ben Joseph as long as he lived in Israel and used the Hebrew version of his name.

But for Muhammad it was essential to state that Jesus was not the son of Yahweh - Joshua ben Yahweh. As he accepted that Mary was a virgin (stated 4 times in the Quran), and that Joseph could not be his real father, the obvious choice for Muhammad was to claim that the name was "son of Mary" - if people believed Jesus was the son of Yahweh, nobody would believe he - Muhammad - was a greater prophet than Jesus, and Muhammad wanted to be the greatest.

A small, but telling curiosa here: According to our sources, the Arab version of the name Jesus/Joshua is Yoshuwa or Yushuwa, whereas the Arab form of the name Esau is Isa. This in case means that when Muhammad talked about Isa, he was talking about Esau (the brother of the Jewish patriarch Jacob), not about Jesus like he believed. No god would make such a stupid mistake. Then who made the Quran? 

Another point: AS THE QURAN IN 21/91a CONFIRMS THAT IT WAS THE GOD WHO CREATED JESUS INSIDE MARY, HOW WAS/IS IT THEN POSSIBLE FOR MUHAMMAD, THE QURAN, ISLAM, AND MUSLIMS TO CLAIM THE GOD WAS NOT JESUS' FATHER?? THE ONE CREATING A BABY INSIDE A WOMAN, IS THE FATHER.

480 4/171c: "- - - Jesus, the son of Mary - - -". See 4/157c and 4/171a above.

481 4/171d: "Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was (no more than) a Messenger - - -". According to the Bible he was a lot more. F.x. the Bible at least 89 times tells Jesus was the son of Yahweh, and at least 204 times says Yahweh was the father of Jesus - many of these times said by Jesus himself, and even the Quran admits that Jesus was a reliable person. As essential for the evaluation of the reliability of what is told, are all the witnesses to what happened around Jesus - the narrators could not make up or change too much, because too many knew the truth. If too much was made up or changed, people would not believe them, because the reality was too well known by too many. Something or someone supernatural may - at least may - have been involved, and closer and more than claimed in connection to any of the older Jewish prophets (the word "Messenger" is never used as a title in the Bible).

482 4/171e: "Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah - - -". We are now in the times of written history in the Roman Empire, and we know quite a lot for sure about these times. One of the things we know for sure, is that nowhere in this wide empire, not to mention in what is now Israel, there ever was mentioned in the old annals a god like Allah or a religion like Islam, and neither any references to or quotes from a book similar to the Quran, neither before Jesus (and written history in this region goes far further back than the Roman Empire - to around 1ooo BC - clay tablets even from 2ooo-3ooo BC are found), during the life of Jesus, or any time later until the Arabs attacked in the 600s AD, after Muhammad's death. That this claim is wrong, is not a religious claim, not a logical deduction, but a historical fact.

483 4/171f: "- - - the Spirit - - -". This is one of the few places where the Holy Spirit is mentioned - in the Quran the Holy Spirit is very peripheral for Allah, in the Bible it is a central character for Yahweh; another clear indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. (The Holy Spirit - ruh al-qudus in Arab - is mentioned or likely mentioned in these verses: 2/87, 2/253, 4/171, 5/110, 15/29, 16/102, 17/85, 21/90, 38/72, 58/22, 66/12, 70/4, 78/38, 97/4,and is perhaps referred to in 26/193 and 40/15. (The expression "ruh al-qudus" - which is directly translated to "the Holy Spirit - you will find in 2/87, 2/253, 5/110, and 16/102). We may also mention that because Muhammad claimed that the angel Gabriel brought messages to him, and also that sometimes the Holy Spirit brought him messages, Muslims often claims that the Holy Spirit just is another name for Gabriel, but this is not said in the Quran - and from the Biblical texts such a claim is an impossibility. It is unclear in the Bible what the Holy Spirit really is, but it is very clear it is something much more than an angel. Also see 78/38b - if the Holy Spirit = an angel, 78/38b has wrong grammar. And the Quran has no mistakes?)

484 4/171g: "- - - believe in Allah and His Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". A strengthened version of Muhammad's standard mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power. At least false prophets often used (and still use) their god like this. In the Bible Jesus told people to obey Yahweh and follow Jesus. There are many and long miles between those two meanings. One more strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad were not serving the same god. This claim also is Muhammad’s main mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power.

485 4/171h: "- - - Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

486 4/171i: "- - - Trinity - - -". Muhammad never understood the trinity - he even seems to have believed it consisted of Yahweh, Jesus, and Mary (instead of Yahweh, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit). But to be fair - just on this point he may have a point, as the trinity is not something from the Bible, but a religious dogma made by humans. It may be correct, but it also may be wrong. (Jesus sometimes said that he and his father were one, but he never included the Holy Spirit in the same way. But Paul in 2. Cor. 3/17a abd 3/18 says "Now the Lord is the (Holy*) Spirit - - -).

We may add that the trinity formally is a central detail in Christian teaching, but only a detail, and only a formality. If it should turn out that the Trinity is wrong, it would reduce Jesus a little but not much, and it would have no effect on the basic points of the religin.

487 4/171j: "- - - glory be to Him (Allah*) - - -". Please read the surahs from Medina and see how much glory you think he deserves - - - if he exists.

488 4/171k: "- - - Allah is One God - - -". In these words are two claims: For one thing Muhammad here implicit claims that Yahweh and Allah are the same god. But there are so many and so deep and so fundamental differences between the two and between their teachings and religion, that this never documented claim is proved wrong many times over (with the possible exception of if the god is strongly schizophrenic). And for the other Muhammad claims Jesus was not divine. As far as the Trinity goes he may have a point, as this dogma is not a part of the Bible. (In Nicaea they agreed on that Yahweh and Jesus were "of the same being" - the Holy Spirit later added into the expression "three 'persons', one being". The dogma got its present form late in the fourth century under "the Cappadocia Fathers" - Basil of Caesarea, Gregory of Nyssa, and Gregory of Naziansus. This dogma may be based - at least partly - on Jesus' words that Yahweh and he was one + om f.x. Paul in 2. Cor. 17+18 saying "- - - the Lord is the Spirit - - -". On the other hand it is very clear that Jesus said that Yahweh and he were one - though perhaps figuratively meant.) But we may add that Muhammad never understood this dogma, and seems to have believed it consisted of Yahweh, Jesus, and Mary - correct is Yahweh, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. He further believed this represented 3 gods, whereas the correct according to the Bible is one god + two beings that got their power from this god (Jesus f.x. says he got his power from Yahweh). Also see 4/171j just above.

But when it comes to denying that Jesus was/is the son of Yahweh, Muhammad is in a weaker position, because it is so very clear what the Bible here tells. It was essential for Muhammad to deny such a relationship, because hardly anyone would believe Muhammad was the greatest prophet ever, if Jesus was the son of the god - and Muhammad wanted to be the greatest prophet ever. In addition this relationship collided with Muhammad's strong monotheism, because he believed this meant an extra god. But in contradiction to what some Christians say, neither the Bible not Jesus says Jesus was a god - on the contrary Jesus even says he got his power from Yahweh. What the Bible and what Jesus said was that Jesus was of divine stock. To make a comparison it is ever so clear that a person can be of royal family - f.x. a son - without being a king.

489 4/171l: "- - - glory be to Him (Allah*) - - -". What for unless he exists and is a god? - not to mention if he exists, but belongs to the dark forces.

490 4/171m: "- - - (far Exalted is He (Allah*)) above having a son". Perhaps so for Allah - if he exists. But according to the Bible not so for Yahweh.

491 4/171n: "- - - to Him (Allah) belong all things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". See 4/170d above.

492 4/171o: "- - - enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs". Definitely not if he does not exist and/or is not a god.

###493 4/172a: "Christ disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah - - -". The bluff of the century if the Bible is to be believed - Jesus' god according to the Bible was Yahweh, and that was his only god. Also according to written history the main - and the only accepted by the Jewish society - god at that time for the Jews in what is now Israel, was Yahweh. Written history also mentions no book like the Quran, no god like Allah, and no religion like Islam at the time of Jesus throughout the entire Roman Empire. If Islam does not have strong proofs, this was the bluff of the century. Also see 4/171d above.

494 4/172b: "Christ disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels - - -". One more of Muhammad's never documented claims - and if there only is one Heaven, the Bible disagrees and tells that both Jesus and the angels worshipped Yahweh, not Allah. And as mentioned: Also remember that it is a historical fact that there existed no book similar to the Quran, no god like Allah, and no religion like Islam in the relevant area from the dawn of written history and before, and until the Arab Muslims came more than 6 centuries after Jesus.

495 4/172c: "- - - He (Allah*) will gather them (non-Muslims*) together (at the Day of Doom*) to (answer)". Not possible unless Allah exists and is a god, neither of which has ever been proved - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

Besides the Bible tells that it is Yahweh who will rule that day, not Allah.

496 4/173a: "- - - deeds of righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

497 4/173b: "- - - (Muslims*) He (Allah*) will give their (due) rewards (Paradise*) - - -". One of those many things not possible for him unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black.

498 4/173c: "- - - His (Allah's*) bounty - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad. We may also remind you that "Allah's" bounty here on Earth, Muhammad and his Muslims to a large degree stole/looted from their victims, and not get from Allah.

499 4/173d: "- - - (non-Muslims*) He (Allah*) will punish with a grievous penalty - - -". A parallel to 4/173b above.

500 4/173e: "- - - nor will they (non-Muslims*) find, besides Allah, any to protect them". Well, according to the Bible Yahweh is a good protector, at least for his followers.

501 4/174a: "Verily - - -". See 2/26 above.

502 4/174b: "Verily, there hath come to you (people*) a convincing proof (the Quran*) from your Lord (Allah*) - - -". A book told by a man of doubtful moral and reliability, but much to gain from making people believe in his new religion, a book choke full of mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. is extremely little convincing, and the only thing it proves, is that it definitely is not from any omniscient god - well, it also proves it has little in common with the Bible, as the differences are too many and too deep.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

An extra point: How much do you respect the use of strengthening, but cheap words like "verily", "in truth", "truly", "certainly", etc. for strengthening loose claims, etc.? After all any cheat, deceiver, charlatan, swindler, etc. can use such words free of charge as long as they do not have to prove anything. But a zero multiplied with even a billion, still only is a zero.

A mystery: How was it possible for intelligent persons - even uneducated ones of the old times - to believe that never documented or in any other way proved claims - not one of them - just throwed out, were "convincing proofs"?!

And a mystery to the second power: How is it possible for intelligent, educated persons of today to believe the same?!

503 4/174c: "- - - We (Allah*) have sent unto you (people/Muslims*) a light (that is) manifest (the Quran*)". A parallel to 4/174b just above.

504 4/175a: "- - - soon He (Allah*) will admit them (Muslims*) to (Paradise*) - - -". Not possible unless he exists and is a god - and one big enough to have a paradise, neither of which was ever proved.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

505 4/175b: "- - - Mercy and Grace from Himself (Allah*) - - -". See 4/29b and 4/113a above.

506 4/175c: "- - - (Allah will*) guide - - -". Not possible unless he exists and is a god. Besides: No-one is a reliable guide if he uses guidebooks of a quality like the Quran.

507 4/175d: "- - - a straight Way". In the Quran the road to Paradise is the "straight (= easy) way". In the Bible it is the "narrow (= difficult) road". Some telling difference.

508 4/176a: Like so often the contents of this verse is not from the Bible. And this "some here some there" distribution of the content of the Quran, is another proof for its miserable quality as literature.

509 4/176b: "Allah directs - - -". As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god, then who gave the directions?

510 4/176c: "- - - (his law) - - -". As the Quran and all its mistake is not from any god, whose law is it really? - on what authority is it built? - and does it have any value as a divine law when there is no god behind it and parts of it obviously are unjust?

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

511 4/176d: "And Allah hath knowledge of all things". Not if he made the Quran. (As for knowledge also see 22/3a below).

512 4/176e: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 22/3a below - an interesting one.

Subtotal: 512 + 1360 = 1872 comments.

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This work was uploaded with assistance from M. A. Khan, the author of Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery, and the editor of islam-watch.org website.