Bible versus Quran: 1000+ Differences & Contradictions


The Quran: Its Divergence from the Bible

Surah 2: Al-Baqarah (The Heifer or The Cow)

Medina 622-624 AD (first full surah in Medina)

001 2/2a: "This is the book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt - - -". The Bible indirectly, but very clearly says that this is wrong. And all the mistakes - may be some 2ooo points just of wrong facts, and then there are the other errors and contradictions in addition - prove that at least on this point the Bible is right, as there cannot be a god behind a book of a quality like the Quran; deplorable composition and choke full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. (the linguistic use of the Arab language is excellent, though, but it should be, as the language was polished by the best Muslim brains for some 250 years (from ca. 650 AD to ca. 900 AD when the Quran got its final form, approximately like the Quran of today)). Just to mention it: Also all the science of logic tells that there is no omniscient, benevolent god behind a claimed holy book full of errors, contradictions, inadequate explanations, etc.

As no god was behind the Quran and all its errors, there remain three possibilities: It is made by dark forces (some of the harsh and inhuman verses may indicate this), or by a mental illness (modern medical science suspects Muhammad had TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - which can give just the kind of fits and of religious illusions Muhammad is said to have had), or by humans (the fact that many mistakes in the book are in accordance with what one believed in that area around the time of Muhammad, may indicate this - and the same do all the number of times Allah(?) helped Muhammad (very convenient for Muhammad, but always after things had happened, not before, so that problems could have been avoided - a bit stupid if an omniscient god gave Muhammad the information). If it is made by humans, Muhammad is the nearest suspect - much of the Quran is like tailor-made for him.

Also see 45/13a below.

002 2/2b: "- - - those (Muslims*) who fear Allah - - -". Why fear someone unless he at least exists - not proved till this day.

003 2/3a: "(Muslims*) who believe in the unseen - - -". Not only unseen - not one central point in all the Quran/Islam is proved or in any other way documented, so perhaps "in the not existing". EVERYTHING just and only builds on Muhammad's words and deeds - only on that. This is one reason why it is so serious that Muhammad very obviously was an unreliable man of doubtful moral believing in the use of dishonesty as a working tool (cfr. the rules for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth) - both based on his teaching - Muhammad’s view on the use of deceit and betrayal, and not least on the breaking of even oaths (see f.x. verses 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, and 66/2a in the Quran). This also is the absolute main reason for why Islam has sanctified Muhammad in everything but the name: If Muhammad was not an absolutely reliable person who NEVER lied and ALWAYS told only the truth and the full truth, then the very fundament under Islam is shaking or may be even does not exist. And as Muhammad obviously was no saint and also openly admitted that he used dishonesty some times, Islam has to use heavy-fisted methods to make people believe Muhammad was saintly and never lied (this in spite of that he lied even in the Quran - f.x. no person as intelligent as Muhammad (or even much less intelligent) and knowing as much as him about people, are able to believe that proved miracles would make no-one believe, and this even more so as the same Muhammad f.x. told all the sorcerers of Pharaoh Ramses II (or perhaps his successor Merneptah) became good Muslims because of small miracles performed by Moses - Muhammad knew he lied each time he said such things).

004 2/3b: "- - - prayer - - -". If Allah does not exist - like all the mistakes in the Quran in practice proves - and/or for other reasons is not a god like the Bible indirectly but clearly tells, and which the fact that Allah never in any way or place or time provably has proved or manifested himself shows - if this, then to what avail are prayers to Allah? Not to mention: If Allah predestines every detail in your life long before it happen, and this according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, then prayers are of no use - nothing can change Allah's Plan.

ABOUT PRAYERS IN ISLAM:

What is the idea of prayers in Islam, when Allah according to several verses in the Quran predestines everything, and predestines it according to his Plan which "nobody and nothing can change"? If nobody and nothing can changed what Allah has decided a long time before, also prayers can change nothing, and just are a waste of time and effort - and a cheating argument from Muhammad/the Quran/Islam. (According to the Bible prayers are not for Allah - not for Allah at all, and especially not so if he is a made up god. Prayers should be for Yahweh, it says).

Honestly, if man is created by a god, the second greatest gift he got after life itself, is the brain. And for one thing a god in case did not give man a good brain unless he intended it to be used. And for another it must be an insult towards the god if man refuses to use his brain, the great gift from the god if that is the case - or if f.x. for imams and others deny people to use their brains ("believe what the religious leaders tell you"). Thus not to think over impossibilities like "Allah predestines absolutely everything according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, but man has free - or partly free - will", or "Allah predestines absolutely everything according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, but pray to Allah, and the prayers may change his decisions and make life better or easier for you". If you do not use your brain and think over such hopeless logic and impossibilities, it is an insult to the great gift, your brain. And it is no less big an insult to the one who gave you that brain, if your brain is a gift from a god - his gift is not worth using you in case tell him.

But one serious conclusion is: Because of total predestination according to the Quran, prayers cannot have any effect in Islam. If Muslims disagree, they will have to prove how it can be possible to combine total predestination, which is very clearly expressed in the Quran + Allah's unchangeable Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to as clear words in the Quran, with effect of prayers.

AND WE ADD ABOUT REGULAR PRAYERS:

Such formalities were totally uninteresting for Yahweh and for Jesus - pray when there was a reason, a need, or a wish for it. For Allah on the other hand it was so central, that he(?) made it one of the 5 "pillars" on which Islam rests. One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, this rule had been the same in the two books.

We may add that there nowhere in the Bible - OT or NT - is a request or an order for regular prayers in the meaning Muhammad had in those words. On the contrary Jesus says: "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to the Father (Yahweh*), who is unseen. Then the Father, who sees the unseen, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like the pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words" (Matt. 6/6-7), (Cfr. here Islam's weight-laying on the number of "rakas" - repeated formal movements and words.*). In the Bible the best place to pray is in your room in closeness to your god. In the Quran (Hadiths) a prayer is worth up to 20 times as much if it is prayed in a group. NB: Just this small detail, but big difference, is yet another 100% and more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - not by far.

005 2/3c: "- - - (Muslims who*) spend out of what we (Allah*) have provided for them - - -". According to the Bible it is Yahweh who provides things. The Quran also is more strongly than the Bible insisting on that whatever you own, is a gift from the god - there is less talk about the value of your own work and thinking.

006 2/4a: "- - - (Muslims*) who believe in the Revelations - - -". Was it really revelations - and in case from whom? - from an illness (modern medical science strongly suspects that Muhammad had TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy), which can give just the kind of fits and the kind of religious illusions Muhammad according to Islamic history experienced)? - from dark forces (many parts of f.x. the Quran's moral code may indicate this)? - or from one or more human(S), like f.x. Muhammad. The fact that many of the mistakes in the Quran is in accordance with what one believed one knew in Arabia at the time of Muhammad, and also that many of his tales are in accordance with made up stories (legends, apocryphal scriptures, and even fairy tales) we know were known in Arabia at his time, may indicate this. What is sure is that if there were revelations, they were from no omniscient god, because no omniscient god ever made a book of a quality like the Quran.

007 2/4b: "- - - (Muslims*) who believe in the revelations sent to thee (Muhammad*) - - -". No omniscient god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts and more like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used so harsh a representative as the highway-man and robber baron and warlord Muhammad. (Some of the early main persons in OT also were warriors, but not for the god or religion).

008 2/4c: "- - - and (revelations*) sent before thy (Muhammad's*) time - - -". This refers to the Jewish scriptures and the Bible. This surah is from the time shortly before Muhammad understood how big differences there were between his teaching and the Bible - and between what he believed and said the Bible told, and what the Bible really told. He thus believed his teaching was in accordance with the Bible, and thus that he and his Muslims believed in the older texts, too.

009 2/4d: "- - - and (in their (Muslims'*) hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter (Paradise*)". As this assurance is built on the Quran, it is to be hoped that the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth - if not they are living in a fool's paradise here on Earth.

Also remember the enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. 

010 2/5a: "They (good Muslims*) are on (true) guidance, from their Lord (Allah*) - - -". For one thing a guidebook in religion full of mistakes and no god involved in it, is no true guidance to Paradise. For another: The Bible indirectly, but very clearly tells that they are not on true guidance, and that Yahweh is the only god. If the last is correct, Allah does not exist.

Also see 45/13a below.

011 2/5b: "- - - (true) - - -". See 2/26 below.

012 2/5c: "- - - guidance (the Quran*), from their Lord (Allah*) - - -". No god ever sent down a guidebook of a quality like the Quran.

Also see 2/176b below.

013 2/5d: "- - - it is they (Muslims*) who will prosper - - -". If not the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about Allah, this is an empty promise.

014 2/6: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) will not believe". The simple reason was that too many saw things were very wrong in Muhammad's new religion, and Muhammad still was not strong enough or rich enough to force or bribe them to believe or "believe" (not everybody he later forced to convert to Islam or who entered Islam for economical reasons, were strong believers).

015 2/7a: "Allah hath set seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes (to deny them Paradise*) - - -". Allah is a good and benevolent god when he does this? Well, the Bible tells also Yahweh sometimes does this, but only after the persons or people have proved incurable and bad. And there is one more serious difference: Under Yahweh man mainly has real free will - if he is so bad that he deserves Hell, it is his own fault. In Islam it is very clear that the Quran tells that Allah predestines each and every detail in your life, and thus if Allah has decided you shall do bad things, you afterwards are punished for things Allah has decided and then forced you to do. (Oh, there are claims about free will also for Muslims, but not even an ayatollah can explain how this is possible to combine to total predestination - for the clear reason that it is not possible to explain it. Islam has given in to explain it, and only claims that "it has to be true, because it is said so in the Quran". We may add that such impossibilities are one of the reasons for that Muslim children and youths some places are taught that it is possible to have parallel truths, even if the truths are mutually excluding each other - like here. A claim which simply is not true - if two or more "facts" are mutually excluding each other, maximum one can be true. But better to teach people wrong facts and logic, than to face the fact that here - and many other places in the Quran - is something which is entirely wrong, because mistakes prove that the book is not from a god, and what are Islam and its clergy, etc. worth if no god is involved in the religion?)

####016 2/7b: "Allah hath set seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes (to deny them Paradise*) - - -". An ISLAMIC comment to this (Muhammad Asad: "The Message of the Quran" - translated from Swedish): "- - - the one who stands by false teachings and single-mindedly refuses to listen to the voice of truth, gradually loses his ability to recognize the truth - - -". What Mr. Asad never mentions, is that this sentence is valid also for Muslims refusing to see the errors and worse in the Quran.

017 2/7c: "- - - great is the penalty they (non-Muslims*) (incur)". Not unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black. Besides the Bible tells that at least non-Muslims following Yahweh are safe (but for Muslims the answer may be different). Also see 16/78 below.

018 2/9: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) only deceives themselves (by rejecting Allah*), and realize it not". If the Quran is not from a god, then who are deceiving themselves when rejecting the teaching of Muhammad? - Muslims or non-Muslims?

019 2/10a: "In their (non-Muslims*) is a disease - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative, distance inducing, and discriminating characteristics of non-Muslims.

020 2/10b: "- - - and Allah has increased their (non-Muslims'*) disease (made it more difficult to find Islam*) - - -". Compare this to "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the Lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), and "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13). Not the same god, not the same religion - and Jesus and Muhammad definitely not serving the same god or the same religion.

021 2/10c: "- - - and grievous is the penalty they (non-Muslims*) (incur) (for rejecting Allah*) - - -". Not unless Allah exists and is a god, neither of which is ever proved - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. In addition the Bible tells that at least the followers of Yahweh are safe.

022 2/12: "(Non-Muslims*) Make not mischief on the earth". At least up to around 1700 -1850 AD when there was a conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims, generally it were the Muslims who were the aggressors - even the crusades to a large degree was a reaction to the aggression and danger from Islam. Then for about a century - some places a bit more - they were suppressed by some European countries. But today again Islam and Muslims are the aggressors and terrorists (even Afghanistan and Iraq were reactions to Muslim aggression). Mischief?

##023 2/13a: "Believe as the others believe". This is one of the main points in Islam - the pressure to believe like all other Muslims, like your father and mother and neighbor and imam or mullah. Plus as all of them believe this and this, it has to be true. Plus the price for to leave Islam can be terribly high.

024 2/13b: "- - - nay, of a surety they (non-Muslims*) are the fools - - -". Who are fools? - the ones believing in a claimed "holy" book too full of mistakes, etc. to be from any god, or the ones with enough brain and knowledge to be able to see that things are very wrong in that book?

This also is one of Muhammad's many negative and slanderous statements about non-Muslims.

025 2/15a: "Allah will throw back their (hypocrites'*) mockery - - -". Not unless Allah exists and in addition is a god, neither of which is ever proved.

026 2/15b: "- - - Allah will give them (non-Muslims*) rope - - -". This was one of Muhammad's standard "explanations" for why Muslims often had a poor life, whereas non-Muslims often had a better one. (Before Muhammad started as a robber baron, Muslims mainly were poor people. He started around the times when this surah was published.)

027 2/16: "- - - bartered guidance for error - - -". But what is guidance and what is error? - to blindly believe in a book so full of errors and worse, that it is no god behind it? - or to be able to see at least some of the mistakes and understand what they mean?

028 2/18: "Deaf, dumb, and blind, they (persons who have left Islam*) will not return (to the path (Islam*))". At least you have to be deaf and blind to believe in a book full or errors and thus clearly not from any god, and all the same refuse to accept even the most obvious mistakes proving that things are wrong. And if you look to the Bible, you will find that it means that if you leave a heathen religion (Islam is so far from the Bible, that according to its definition of a heathen religion, Islam clearly is one), that means you at least have seen some light - and in a way this is correct; to live according to a heathen religion (in the case of Islam; even a religion which itself - its "holy" book and all its mistakes - proves there is no god behind it), means you restrict your life and you pay a price both as a human and with your wealth, for a product you will never get. We do not intend to discuss if there is/are a religion or religions which has a paradise to offer in a possible next life, but as the Quran itself proves there is no god behind that book, Islam is one of the religions that has nothing to offer, if there is a next life. A made up religion is a made up religion, no matter whether it is made up my humans (with or without a mental illness like Muhammad likely had - TLE) or by dark forces - the only remaining possibilities when there is no god behind the religion.

Also see 45/13a below.

029 2/19: "But Allah is ever around the rejecters of Faith (Islam - only Islam is faith in the Quran*)". Not unless Allah exists and in addition is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which is ever proved - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

030 2/20a: "If Allah willed - - -". One of many places Muhammad boast about all the things Allah can do if he only willed. But by an unlucky coincidence he never willed. If the old books tell the truth, Yahweh and Jesus proved at least some of what they told, but Allah and Muhammad never anything - only lose words and as lose claims (though big and strong some of them). Also see 16/78 below.

031 2/20b: "- - - Allah hath power over all things". According to the Bible it is Yahweh who has that power.(we comment on just a few of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran).

032 2/21a: "Adore your (people's*) Guardian-Lord - - -". According to the Bible no heathen god can guard you from anything at all - and we personally must admit that the same goes for a non-existing god. (All the mistakes in the Quran prove that there is no god behind the book, and thus more or less proves that Allah does not exist. Add the fact that Allah has never in any way or place or time proved or manifested himself, and the proof is valid far beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt - though not beyond blindness, wishful thinking, or fanatics.

033 2/21aa: "- - - (Allah*) Who created you (people*) - - -". According to the Bible, the creation was done by Yahweh, not by Allah - and according to science it was done by nature.

034 2/21b: "- - - righteousness - - -". There are some human faculties the Bible values high (or low), but which in the Quran may mean something different or is evaluated differently, because of - sometimes big - differences in f.x. moral and/or ethical codes, laws, etc. F.x.:

Justice - just - unjust: See f.x. the unjust and immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, and the unjust parts of the sharia laws - some purely unjust, some even discriminating like in the old South Africa or the old South States of the USA - and the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code. Compare f.x. to Jesus' words: "Do against others like you want others do against you" - the "constitution" and gold standard for all moral rules.

"The unjust". This often is used as a name for the non-Muslims. But who is most unjust of the ones believing in a religion built on a book full of errors, contradictions, invalid logic - resulting in wrong conclusions - clumsy explanations or statements (according to Muslims who have to "explain" they mean something else, in order to "explain" away mistakes and difficult points), etc. dictated by a man of doubtful reliability and moral, but liking power, money for bribes for more power - and women, or the ones seeing that things are wrong in the Quran? And who are the most unjust of the ones living according to the Quran's partly immoral moral code and partly unjust judicial code, etc., or the ones trying to live according to "do against others like you want others do against you"?

Kindness: A very central topic in the Bible, and especially in NT. Kindness also is part of the Quran, but mainly towards Muslims and mainly a few special groups.

Righteous/righteousness: The Bible values righteousness much. A number of the moral and ethical rules in the Quran, plus some of the Sharia laws are not righteous (even though Muslims are so used to them that many of them believe they are) - another proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. (As for moral, ethical, and judicial codes in the Quran: Compare it to "do against others like you want others do against you", and you will see which of them are good moral, etc. ones and which ones not.

Truthful: Allah according to the Quran and to Hadiths accepts the use of dishonesty and even betrayal and broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a). It is very clear from the involved moral codes here that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, not unless he is strongly schizophrenic.

: Fact: In the Quran, in Islam, and to Muslims, this word often simply means "claimed by Muhammad or the Quran", or sometimes even simply "something claimed". A fact is not a fact unless it in some way is proved - if it is not proved, it at best is a belief or a theory.

Sin: What is sin and what is not may be totally different in the Bible, compared to in the Quran - especially clear if you compare the Quran's surahs from Medina with NT.

Good and bad: Also these two words may have very different meanings in the Bible - and especially clearly so in NT - compared to in the Quran, as the moral codes in many cases are from different to extremely different.

Godlessness: As the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc. is not from a god, belief in that book, naturally is godlessness - especially if Yahweh and Jesus represents the next life (the teachings are too different, so that Islam in this case is solid godlessness, f.x. with all its inhuman and/or immoral moral rules).

Wicked - wickedness: Because of the often fundamental differences between the moral and ethical codes of the Bible and the Quran - often big differences - there in many cases are - often big - differences between what is wicked according to the Bible compared to according to the Quran.

Malice: A parallel to "wickedness" just above.

Transgression: What is transgression in the Bible, is not necessarily transgression in the Quran, and the other way around.

Wrongdoers: The word means persons who do wrong deeds, but what is wrong according to the Quran and what is wrong according to "do against others like you want others do against you", often are worlds apart. But the most serious fact here is that in the Quran and in Islam "wrongdoers" mostly is another name - one of Muhammad's many negative names - for "non-Muslims". Is it strange that Muslims often are reluctant to mingle with others or that they may feel morally superior to others - in spite of that the Quran's moral code at some points fits the Devil better than a god - at least a good and benevolent god.

There also are words like "rightful", "unrightfully", "rightfulness", and a number more which falls into this category.

Also note that a number of such words and expressions - like wrongdoers, transgressors, unbelievers, sinners, the unjust, the bad ones, the companions of Hell, and a number of others, were - AND ARE - negative (not to use stronger words), distance inducing, apartheid inducing, inferiority/superiority inducing, etc. names Muhammad used for non-Muslims. When Muslims complain about being talked about in not good ways, one may remember that these names for non-Muslims are in daily and even official - not to mention religious - use in most Muslim communities and all their religious meetings and connections even today.

As a contrast to especially NT, some of the sharia laws and some of the some 90 verses in the Quran which directly talk about laws, definitely are not f.x. righteous, neither compared to the rules for ethics, moral, or righteousness in normal cultures, nor to "do against others like you want others do against you". Especially compared to NT, some of the differences are dramatic, and one of the at least 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Muhammad not in the line of prophets or religion where Jesus belongs according to this.

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

Each and every of these often fundamental differences are at least 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not even distantly related as prophets (in addition to that Muhammad hardly was a real prophet as he was unable to make prophesies - unable "to see the unseen").

035 2/22a: "(Allah*) has made the earth - - - (etc.*) - - -". Needless to say, the Bible claims this was done by Yahweh - - - and science says that both are wrong, or at the very least that it must have been done in other ways and to another time-scale than described in the Bible and the Quran - billions of years instead of some days.

036 2/22b: "- - - rivals unto Allah". At least when it comes to the followers of Yahweh, they do not join gods/rivals with Allah - they simply do not believe he exists (well, many are not better informed than they believe in Muhammad's never proved - and documented wrong - claim that Allah is the same god as Yahweh, but Allah in case was a very twisted and wrong image of Yahweh). And actually it is the same for other religions - there are no non-Muslim religions believing in Allah, so they do not "join other gods" with him, but have one or more gods INSTEAD OF Allah. Another fact is that if Allah does not exist, it is not possible to join anything with him, included other gods - - - and there nowhere was or is any proof or even clear indication for the existence of Allah - only Muhammad's words, and Muhammad was a man with a very doubtful moral and reliability.

037 2/22c: "- - - (the truth)". See 2/26 below.

038 2/23a: "- - - what We (Allah*) hath revealed (the Quran*) - - -". No god ever revealed a book of a quality like the Quran.

039 2/23b "- - - revealed (the Quran*) - - -". But was the Quran really revealed? - in case from whom, as no god ever was involved in a teaching of a quality like the Quran's and Muhammad's? 3 possible alternatives:

1): The dark forces. A number of immoral and inhuman points in the Quran may indicate this.

2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Modern medical science suspects this.

3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's. All the mistakes in the Quran believed to be correct science at the time of Muhammad, plus f.x. the fact that all material in the book is from Arabia and neighboring area, strongly indicates this, and also all the times Allah(?) helped Muhammad, also with f.x. his family life - perhaps combined with alternative 2.

Also see 45/13a below.

040 2/23c: "- - - revealed (the Quran*) - - - unto Our (Allah's*) servant (Muhammad*) - - -". No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used a representative as brutal, self centered, and warlike as Muhammad.

041 2/23d: "- - - produce a surah like (this one*) - - -". Why? Many a good writer could do so after studying old Arab folklore, etc., etc. a little, because the Quran in contradiction to Islam's claims, is not well written, but why bother? - no matter how good a job which was done, not one Muslim would admit it was better than the Quran, because that would mean the Quran was not of divine quality, and thus that something was seriously amiss with the religion.

Another interesting, but little known fact here, is that there were made competing surahs. Muhammad and his followers did not even try to evaluate if these surahs were as good or better than Muhammad's - without hesitance or ceremony they were stamped heretical and fought against by words and weapons. Here are some of the makers:

1. The Temunite man Maslama - derisively called by the Muslims Musailima = Little Maslama (the most known of them - he was killed by the Muslims).

2. Laqit bin Malik in Oman.

3. 'Alhala bin Ka'b el-Aswad in Yemen.

4. The Asadite man Toleiha.

5. The female prophet Sagah.

But as said above: There is no reason for making a better Quran - Muslims will not accept that it may be as good or better no matter the quality, because that will be one more proof for that the Quran is not from a god. They simply will fight it. Also: Copycats just will be laughing-stocks if they pretend to be earnest - they just are copy-cats, no matter how good quality they deliver.

042 2/23e: "- - - witnesses or helpers - - - besides Allah". Non-Muslims never call for other gods - f.x. Yahweh - besides Allah. They simply do not believe Allah exists, and worship one or more god(s) INSTEAD of Allah. See 1/5 above and 6/14c, 16/41b, 21/29a, and 21/66b below. Well, we may add that Muhammad incorrectly could claim the pagan Arabs had gods besides Allah, because they believed in a main god they called al-Lah - a name so similar to the name Allah that just a little unclear pronunciation camouflaged the difference (and actually the name Allah was used some even before Muhammad took him over) - and on top of this al-Lah (originally Il or al-Ilah, the moon god of Arabia - there is a good reason why Islam has the crescent moon as a symbol) was the very old pagan god Muhammad had dressed up and named only Allah. Conveniently overlooking the fact that the old Arabs did not think of their old god like Muhammad's Allah, but like the pagan al-Lah/Allah, Muhammad could claim they had other gods besides Allah. In reality they had other gods besides al-Lah, and did not believe in Muhammad's Allah at all. And all the other non-Muslims did not have god(s) besides Allah, but instead of Allah - an Allah they honestly did not believe existed, if they had ever heard about him.

Another point: If Allah does not exist, it is not possible to have another god beside him - it is not possible to place something beside nothing.

Also note Muhammad's often used psychological trick: He pretends matter-of-factly that Allah is an established and accepted fact - this even some 2500 and more years before Muhammad and the first traces of Islam and Allah. But it is possible they believed in the old Semitic moon god Il - later named al-Ilah and then al-Lah in Arabia, the same god Muhammad dressed up and named Allah, though he let the god keep most of the pagan Arab ways of worshipping him, included the crescent moon as his symbol.

043 2/24: "- - - but of a surety ye (non-Muslims*) cannot (make a better surah*) - - -". This Muhammad could make naive and uneducated primitives believe. Islam should lay very low with statements like this to people with some knowledge about good literature. Judged as literature the Quran has many weaknesses and few strong points. Neatly the only thing which is said to be good, is the linguistic use of the Arab language - and the explanation for that is that the book was polished for about 250 years (from around 650 AD to around 900 AD) by the best brains in Islam. But you judge a book from its contents and its quality, not only from its "wrapping paper".

044 2/25a: "But give the glad tidings to those who believe (here = Muslims*) - - - that their portion is the Gardens (Paradise*) - - -". According to the Bible, only the followers of Yahweh will end in Paradise.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

045 2/25b: "- - - glad tidings - - -". Is a religion preaching dishonesty, (f.x. al-Taqiyya, Kitman, stealing/looting), suppression, discrimination, hate, war, etc. a glad tiding? - except for those permitted to steal, rape, suppress, and take slaves, etc.

046 2/25c: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

047 2/25d: "- - - Gardens - - -". Note the plural. In the Bible there is one Paradise/Garden open for all. According to Hadiths there are at least 4 or 6 gardens in Paradise - perhaps many more (at least 4 according to 55/46+62 in the Quran) - one better than the other, and what level you end up in, depends entirely on how good a Muslim and/or warrior you were in this life. The Quran also states that in the Islamic Paradise you will have your family around you, but it is nowhere explained how that can be possible if the different members of a family merits different quality gardens. It also is not explained how to arrange things around you after f.x. 100 generations if you have all your family around you and they have all their families around them, etc., etc., etc. 100 times. The logic in the Quran sometimes is a bit wanting. And what about Muhammad's family? - hardly anyone of them but Muhammad merited the 7. Heaven.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

048 2/25e: "- - - this is what we (Muslims in the Islamic Paradise*) were fed before (here on Earth*) - - -". In Yahweh's Paradise you end up "like the angels in heaven" (f.x. Luke 22/30), and nowhere in the Bible there is said that the angels - or you in heaven - need to eat at all. In the Quran one of the rewards for a good life on Earth, is plenty of excellent food and drink (but according to Hadiths you never need something as plebian as a toilet). These differences between Yahweh's and Allah's paradises are some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they were, the paradises had been one and the same and everything identical (as it was the same paradise one described). (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same.

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Strategm to avoid or circumvent legal prinsiples or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choises, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campained of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguice. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things. Worse: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

049 2/25f: "- - - companions pure (and holy) - - -". The famous houris - up to 72 for each warrior according to Hadiths (+ wives and concubines from this life, but they hardly counts in this Paradise). The Quran's Paradise is extremely different from the one you find in the Bible. In the Quran plenty of Earth-like top luxury + plenty of women/sex - the ultimate dream a primitive desert warrior was capable of. In the Bible one becomes like the angels - f.x. Luke 20/35-36. (Which of the Paradises do you prefer? And which one is worthy a god?) One of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, if the old books tell the truth.

We may add that the idea of houris (and of serving, handsome youths - handsome plenty enough to tempt homosexuals (not said in the Quran) Muhammad "borrowed" from the Zoroastrian religion (Persia), and the same for the 4 rivers in Paradise). Nearly no thoughts or ideas are original in the Quran - more or less everything is "borrowed" from religions and cultures in and around Arabia at the time of Muhammad. A pertinent question here: Would an omniscient god aiming for the entire world, need to borrow all his ideas from primitive Arabia and its neighbors? - and only from the time of Muhammad?

As for the houris: In most religions and cultures forced prostitution is reckoned to be something dirty and immoral.

050 2/25g: "- - - abide therein (Paradise*) (for ever) - - -" See 2/82c below.

051 2/26: "- - - truth - - -". Truth leads a difficult life in a book full of mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic - resulting in wrong conclusions - clumsy explanations or statements (according to Muslims who have to "explain" they mean something else, in order to "explain" away mistakes and difficult points), etc., and even a few(?) lies, and told by a man believing in the use of dishonesty as a working tool, and on top of all a man with a doubtful moral liking riches - at least for bribes - power, respect, and women. There is not much truth in the central points in the Quran, with all its mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, loose claims, etc.

Beware that written with capital "T" - "Truth" - the word often is used as a name for Islam or for the Quran - rather ironic when one knows how much is wrong or even lies in the Quran and consequently in Islam, and when one on top of that knows that all the many mistakes, contradictions, etc. in that book, means that no god has been involved in it (omniscient gods simply does not make mistakes).

There also are two more thought provoking fact connected to this word: Who is it who strongest and most often feel the urge to state how truthful they are? - the cheats and deceivers and swindlers and charlatans. And who is it who has to use dishonest arguments and made up or twisted "facts"? - the same cheats and deceivers, charlatans and swindlers. This is extra thought provoking in the cases where the word is used as a name for the Quran or for Islam.

Muhammad used this word and other similar words pretty often, not to say very often. Like cheats, etc. often as mentioned have a tendency to do.

"Strong claims does not necessarily mean truth. And repeated claims without proofs may even be suspicious".

When something is said or claimed or stated, it may be at least one of these:

1. The truth.

2. A misunderstanding - honest but wrong.

3. A cheating.

4. A half-truth. Dishonest, but often formally correct. 

5. A Kitman. The same as a half-truth, but morally worse, because it is sanctioned by a god. To permit it, tells a lot about the god and his religion. Of the big religions only Islam permits this. Of the small religions we have read that in New Guinea there once was a primitive pagan religion with rules on this point similar to Islam's (all the way up to betrayal).

6. A lie.

7. An al-Taqiyya. The same as a lie, but morally worse, because it is sanctioned by a god. See "A Kitman" above.

8. A deceit. To permit it, tells a lot about the god and his religion. See "A Kitman" above.

9. A betrayal. To permit it, tells a lot about the god and his religion. See "A Kitman" above.

10. A false oath. To permit this (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), tells a lot about the god and his religion. Even the mention primitive New-Guinean tribe had a way out here, Islam has not.

And: When it comes to cheating and betrayal there is no doubt that such ones endorsed by a god, morally is on a lower shelf than the ones made up purely by a human - it tells so darkly much about the god, his moral, his reliability, and his religion. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

One more point: If the main contents of the Bible is the truth, the Quran is even deeper into the shady realms, because so much of what it claims the Bible tells, then is untrue in the Quran. Worse: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. The "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim or state) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion, and neither for the less central religious ones.

Also see 45/13a below.

#####Finally we quote from 10/32e: "- - - apart from the Truth, what (remains) but error?" When so many points in the Quran are not true, and nothing essential is proved, what remains but error? And from 10/35b: >"- - - truly fancy can be of no avail against Truth". This is the reason why http://www.1000mistakes.com ("1000+ Mistakes in the Quran") on the net has been called: "The most dangerous book Islam has ever met" - and http://www.1000quran-comments.com (1000+ Comments on the Quran - skeptics' facts and thoughts") "perhaps number two".

052 2/26b: "He (Allah*) causes many to stray - - -". For a comparison: Yahweh NEVER causes anyone to stray. He may leave them to stray if they wish so, but according to the Bible he NEVER causes anyone to stray. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

052a 2/26c: "- - - stray - - -". But who are most astray? - the ones debating from a book choke full of errors, contradictions, and worse? - or the ones able to see at least some of the mistakes, etc. in that book, and able to understand what it means about Muhammad, about the Quran, and about Islam?

053 2/26d: "- - - (the path (to Allah's Paradise*)) - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists, and is little interesting unless he in addition is a god - beware if he instead belongs to the dark forces.

054 2/27a: "- - - Allah's Covenant - - -". There nowhere in the Quran clearly is said where and how Allah made a covenant with the Muslims, and also nowhere listed the contents of such a covenant. (But like the New Covenant - f.x. Luke 22/20 - in the Bible where the contents has to be extracted from Jesus' teaching, the claimed contents may be understood from the texts of the book.)

##055 2/27b: "- - - Allah's Covenant - - -". Some Muslims here claims this refers to "the inborn connection to Allah" - all babies are born Muslims they claim, but their parents destroy their belief. Neither science nor Islam has been able to find a proved case of this, but you are permitted to believe it if you are able to.

056 2/27b: "- - - what Allah has ordered - - -". There never was one single proved case of Allah giving an order. Miles of claims, put not one proved case.

057 2/27c: "- - - mischief - - -". See 2/12 above.

058 2/28a: "How can ye (non-Muslims*) reject the faith in Allah?" Easy for anyone who is able to see that all the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in the Quran prove that the book is not from any god. And even easier for the believers in Yahweh - and especially if they are able to see the real quality of the Quran. No good would lend his name to a book with so many errors and worse.

059 2/28b: "- - - He (Allah*) gave you (non-Muslims*) life - - - and will again bring you to life (at the Day of Doom) - - -". It never was proved Allah had such power - not even that he exists. And according to the Bible this is Yahweh's domain, not Allah's. (And according to science the only sure time you got life, it was done by nature).

060 2/28c: "- - - to Him (Allah*) will ye return (at the Day of Doom*)". According to the Bible your return will be to Yahweh, not to Allah.

061 2/29a: "It is He (Allah*) Who hath created for you all things - - -". According to the Bible this is done by Yahweh, not by Allah - and except for man-made things it according to science is made by nature.

062 2/29b: "- - - the heavens - - - the seven firmaments (another word for the sky as we see it, mostly used for the night sky*) - - -". In the Quran there are 7 heavens (see 65/12b below). This is incorrect knowledge taken from Greek and Persian science of the time of Muhammad - an indication for that the Quran was created by a person living in Arabia at that time. We may add that they were held up there "by pillars you do not see", and that Allah lives above the 7.th heaven. You do not find it described like this in the Bible. Also see 65/12b below.

(The claim that there are 7 heavens you find no less than 9 places in the Quran (2/29, 17/44, 23/27, 17/86, 42/12, 65/12b (here Allah also claim there are 7 Earths), 67/3, 71/15, and 78/12). Here in 67/3 and in 71/15 it is specified that they are placed one above the other, and in 13/2 it is said they are resting on invisible ("without any pillars that ye can see"). In 37/6, 41/12, and 67/5 it is specified that the stars are fasten to the lowermost heaven, and that the stars are weapons to chase away bad spirits (67/5*) - which means they are material (if not you could not fasten the star to it - and bodily resurrected humans in heaven could not walk on them) and strong (if not it could not span the world and carry the stars and the gardens and rivers and resurrected humans of Paradise).

063 2/29c: "- - - of all things He (Allah*) hath perfect knowledge". But if Allah knew everything: Why - why - why - then did he have to test even his followers, f.x. by sending they on raids to steal and rob and enslave for Allah(?) and Muhammad. This even more so that if it is true that Allah predestines everything in everybody's life, so that he can learn nothing from such tests anyhow - well, except to find out what he himself had predestined you should do. Also see 22/3b below - an interesting one.

But of course Muhammad and others made fortunes and grew powerful and respected because of the raids. And if the claim was a way to explain away that it in reality was Muhammad who needed cheap and willing warriors, everything becomes easy to understand.

€€€064 2/30-33: "Wilt Thou (the god*) place therein (on Earth*) one (man*) who will make mischief therein and shed blood?" This and the rest of these 4 verses are not from the Bible - also there are not verses in the Bible with similar contents.

065 2/31: "And He (Allah*) taught Adam the nature of all things, and He placed them before the angels - - -". Impossible unless Allah exists and is a god - and have a paradise with angels.

066 2/32a: "- - - in truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

067 2/32b: "- - - Thou (Allah*) art perfect in knowledge and Wisdom". Not if he made the Quran. As for "knowledge" also see 22/3a below - an interesting one.

068 2/33: "- - - I (Allah*) know what ye (everyone*) reveal and what ye conceal - - -". See 2/29c above.

069 2/34a: "Bow down to Adam". In the Bible it is not directly specified, but it is clear that angels are superior - and of superior quality - to humans. Here it is indirectly said that man is superior to the angels - the angels had to bow down to Adam. This is a detail, but such an essential detail, that this alone proves that Yahweh and Allah had different views on this and thus had to be different gods.

070 2/34b: "- - - not so (bowing down to Adam*) Iblis (the Devil*) - - -". This is not from the Bible, and there is nothing similar in the Bible.

071 2/35: "- - - this tree - - -". According to the Bible there were two forbidden trees: The "tree of life" and the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" (Adam and Eve ate from the latter one). A small (?) but significant difference between the Bible and the Quran.

072 2/36a: "Then did Satan make them slip from the Garden (of Eden*) - - -". In the Bible it was the serpent (1. Mos. 3/11-6) who cheated them into eating of one of the two forbidden trees (the Tree of Knowledge - the other one was the Tree of Life), and they were thrown out from Eden (1. Mos. 3/23). (But the serpent is reckoned to be an avatar of or representative for the Devil).

But a really interesting point here is the very mentioning of Satan: One of the theories for who made the Quran, is that it is made just by him - as it is clear that the Quran with all its errors, etc. is not from any god, there only are tree possible makers left: One or more humans (likely Muhammad himself in case), a mental illness like TLE, or dark forces. F.x. some of the moral rules in the Quran may indicate the latter.

073 2/36b: "- - - with enmity between yourself (people*) - - -". This may be of some significance and a "green light" to a war religion - in the Bible Yahweh tells there will be enmity between the serpent and humans (1. Mos. 3/14-15).

074 2/37a: "Then learnt Adam from his Lord (meant to mean Allah*) - - -". According to the Bible the only god connected to Adam (and Eve) was Yahweh, not Allah.

075 2/37b: "Then learnt Adam from his Lord (meant to mean Allah*) words of inspiration - - -". One thing is that there is not a sentence similar to this in the Bible. As noteworthy is the word "by inspiration". Muhammad claimed he got most of his messages from Allah by inspiration - a very convenient way of getting it if you cannot prove you got any messages or if you do not want others to witness what the messages really were. A problem: Which inspirations are from the god, which are from other sources, and which are from your own brain - functional and well, or mentally ill (f.x. TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy, like modern science suspects Muhammad had).

##076 2/37c: "- - - his (Adam's*) Lord (Allah*) turned towards him (here = forgave him*) - - -". This is an essential point, as this means Islam has no "inherited sin" like Christianity has. Good for Muslims, but one more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. 

077 2/37d: "- - - He (Allah*) is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina; omit the cheap, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, behavior, etc. - skip the big glorifying words and judge from the reality (reality is much more reliable than big and cheap words). How much of real mercy, etc. do you find?

An afterthought: Also read NT and compare: Who is most merciful and most forgiving, etc. of Yahweh and Allah if both books tell the truth about their respective gods on this point - especially if you compare to NT and its New Covenant?

078 2/38a: "We (Allah*) said: 'Get ye (Adam and Eve*) down - - -". According to the Bible this was done by Yahweh, not by Allah (1. Mos. 3/23).

079 2/38b: "- - - My (Allah's*) Guidance - - -". Not even a god gives reliable guidance when he uses a guidebook of a quality like the Quran.

080 2/38c: "- - - on them (Muslims*) shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve (on the Day of Doom". This will depend entirely on which god they meet that day - if Allah does not exist or for another reason is not a god, these promises will not be kept. If on the other hand it is Yahweh who is there, his followers will be well off.

081 2/39a: "But those (non-Muslims*) who reject Faith (Islam*) and belie Our (Allah's*) Signs, they shall be Companions of the Fire (= end in Hell*) - - -". Well, according to the Bible the followers of Yahweh are safe. But Muslims may be in a worse position according to that book.

082 2/39b: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". The Quran many places talks about signs or even proofs from Allah - often natural phenomena - which are indicated to mean proofs for Allah and his existence and power. But they all and without exception are logically invalid, as exactly none of them first are proved really to be caused by Allah - in each and every case any believer in any religion can make just the same claims on behalf of his/her god(s), as long as they - just like Muhammad - can flee from all requests for a proof. There is no exception in all the Quran, and also in the Hadiths, from this fact.

And "what is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

###083 2/40a: "O Children of Israel!" Muhammad pretended or may be even believed - if he believed in his own religion (not all "prophets" really does, because they only use religion as a means of living or as a platform of power - science tends to think he believed at least some of it in the beginning (which may indicate that the Quran is from the dark forces or from a mental illness (modern medical science suspects TLE, Temporal Lobe Epilepsy, which can give such fits and such religious illusions like the ones Muhammad is said to have experienced) but that he became more "relaxed" over the years) that his god Allah was the same god as the old Jewish and Christian god Yahweh. Islam and its Muslims claim the same today, but the claim is wrong - the teachings are too different, also at fundamental levels. (Muhammad "explained" that the reason for this is that the Bible was falsified, a claim both science and Islam have proved wrong with strong empirical and circumstantial proofs by being unable to find even one single proved falsification - some mistakes (but far from like in the Quran), but not one proved falsification. Also even the oldest manuscripts which exist (and some are really old - f.x. the Dead Sea Scrolls, and even older ones exist), have similar texts to modern Bibles.

084 2/40b: "- - - your (the Jews'*) Covenant with Me (Allah*) - - -". According to the Bible - and the Israelites - their covenant was with Yahweh, not with Allah.

085 2/40c: "- - - fear none but Me (Allah*)". There is no reason to fear Allah if he does not exist or for other reasons are not a god - neither of which was ever proved. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the only one really to fear and respect.

086 2/41a: "And (Jews*) believe in what I (Allah*) reveal (the Quran*) - - -". No god ever revealed a book of a quality like the Quran.

087 2/41b: "- - - reveal - - -". See 2/23b above.

088 2/41c: "And (Jews*) believe in what I (Allah*) reveal, confirming the revelations which is with you - - -". Muhammad claimed that his teaching was confirming the old Jewish and Christian holy books. This simply is wrong - the teachings are too different, and too fundamentally different.

089 2/41d: "- - - nor sell My (Allah's*) Signs for a small price - - -". One thing is that there never was even one sign reliably from Allah. More to the point just here is that one of the "explanations" Muhammad used for why most Jews and Christians (there were few Christians, but many Jews in the area) did not accept his new religion, was that they were too greedy and wanted the good things in this life instead of his promises about a future Paradise. (Surah 2 (622 - 624 AD) is from shortly after Muhammad fled to Medina in 622 AD, but before it was good business to follow him and perhaps become rich on his raids or from his bribery.)

090 2/41e: "- - - fear Me (Allah*), and Me alone". See 2/40b above.

091 2/42a: "And cover not Truth (the Quran*) with falsehood (falsifications of the Quran*), nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is)". This refers to Muhammad's never proved claims that the Bible was/is a falsified version of the Quran, and that the Israelites and Christians knew this. Both science and Islam (not willingly*) strongly have proved that these claims are wrong - neither is one single proved falsification ever found, and never is explained how the claimed falsifications psychologically and physically were possible. (Some Muslims claim it was done by the council in Nicaea in 325 AD, but the only thing this claim proves, is that those Muslims knows nothing about what they are talking about - too late, physically impossible, psychologically impossible.)

092 2/42b: "- - - Truth (here Muhammad's new religion*) - - -". see 2/26 above.

093 2/42c: "- - - falsehood - - -". See 2/26 above.

094 2/43a: "- - - prayer - - -". See 2/3b above.

095 2/43b: "- - - regular charity - - -". Charity is a strong plus-word in the Quran like in especially NT. There are two significant differences: According to the Quran you shall not give more than you can afford (you may get difficulties from that). In the Bible the best and most generous one, was the poor widow with the two small coins - she gave everything she had. Also this is a fundamental - if small - difference which clearly indicates that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same "company".

And: The main thing with charity according to the Quran, is to gain merit in Heaven. In the Bible, and especially NT, there is more of a balance between empathy with the needy and merit in Heaven. Also see 4/77b below.

096 2/44a: "- - - enjoin right conduct on the people - - -". To say the least of it: The codes of conduct - and moral - at many points are extremely different between the Bible and the Quran - see f.x. Jesus: "Do to others what you want others do to you" (Luke. 6/31). So often different and so different that this is one of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and Jesus and Muhammad not serving the same religion or god.

097 2/44b: "Will ye (Jews, Christians*) not understand?". That just was the problem: They understood too well that the Quran was way too different from the Bible to represent the same god. Also see 27/52c below.

098 2/45a: "- - - seek (Allah's) help - - -". What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? Besides the Bible tells that the one to seek help from is Yahweh, not Allah.

099 2/45b: "- - - prayer - - -". See 2/3b above and 3/17c below.

100 2/46a: "- - - bear in mind the certainty that they (Muslims*) are to meet their Lord (Allah - at the Day of Doom*) - - -". The only thing here which is absolutely certain, is that a book where so much is wrong - even the claimed author - gives zero certainty. Also see 16/78 below.

101 2/46b: "- - - they (Muslims*) are to meet their Lord (Allah - at the Day of Doom*) - - -". According to the Bible they will meet Yahweh, not Allah.

###102 2/47: "O Children of Israel!" See 2/40a above.

103 2/49a: "- - - We (Allah*) delivered you (the Israelites*) from the people of Pharaoh (Ramses II or perhaps his successor Merneptah*) - - -". All through his 23 years of teaching Islam, Muhammad claimed - wrongly and without any proofs - that his god Allah was identical to the old Jewish and Christian god Yahweh - which here means it was Allah who saved the Israelites from slavery in Egypt, according to him. The Bible says it was Yahweh - and the two gods are not the same, as their teachings are too deeply and too much different. Also see 2/40+47 above.

As for Muhammad's claims: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

104 2/49b: "- - - therein (the slavery and the killing of the male babies) was a tremendous trial from your (the Israelites'*) Lord (claimed to be Allah*)". One thing is that according to the Bible the Israelites' god was Yahweh, not Allah. More to the point just here: There is nowhere in the Bible indicated that neither the slavery, nor the killing of babies were neither trials, nor punishment from their god.

105 2/50: "- - - We (Allah*) divided the sea - - -". A parallel to 2/49a above.

106 2/51: "- - - We (Allah*) appointed forty nights for Moses - - -". A parallel to 2/49a above.

107 2/52: "Even then did We (Allah*) forgive you (the Israelites of Moses*) - - -". A parallel to 2/49a above. But how can Allah forgive? He cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

108 2/53: "- - - We (Allah*) gave Moses the Scripture - - -". See 2/87a below.

109 2/54a: "- - - He (Allah*) turned towards them (the Israelites of Moses*) (in forgiveness) '- - -". According to the Bible their god was Yahweh, not Allah. Also Allah in case could have forgiven nobody unless he existed and was a god, neither of which was ever proved. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

110 2/54b: "- - - He (here intended to mean Allah, even though the Bible tells Moses' god was Yahweh*) is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful". See 2/37d above.

111 2/55: "And remember ye (the Israelites*) said: 'O Moses! We shall never believe in thee until we see Allah manifestly". This is not from the Bible. In the Bible it was Yahweh's idea to show himself to the people. The people were frightened (2. Mos. 19/10 to 20/19).

Besides the claim is nonsense, as the Israelites had had plenty of proofs for that someone supernatural was involved: F.x. the column which led them - a column of smoke by day and one of fire by night. There was no reason for such a demand, quite simply. (But Muhammad knew the Bible badly, and quite likely he did not know this.)

112 2/56; "Then We (Allah*) raised you up after your death - - -". There is in the Bible no story during Exodus which this can refer to. Allah also never has proved his power for resurrection

113 2/57: "And We (Allah*) gave you (the Israelites*) the shade of clouds and sent down to you manna and quails - - -". A parallel to 2/49a above.

114 2/58: This verse is not from the Bible - there is nothing like this during the Exodus in the Bible. The nearest was when they grumbled because the food was better in Egypt (2. Mos. 16/3).

115 2/59a: "But the transgressors changed the words (of Moses*) - - -". According to the Bible they did not change the words, but disobey them.

116 2/59b: "- - - transgressors - - -". See 2/21b above.

117 2/60a: "Then gushed forth twelve springs". In the Bible there is one story where Moses and his Israelites came to a place named Elim with 12 springs (2. Mos. 15/27), and another where Moses struck a rock with his staff and water gushed forth (4. Mos. 20/11). It seems like Muhammad has mixed these two stories.

118 2/60b: "- - - the sustenance provided by Allah - - -". According to the Bible it was provided by Yahweh, not by Allah.

119 2/60c: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

120 2/60d: "- - - mischief - - -". See 2/12 above.

121 2/60e: "Go ye (Moses’ Israelites*) down to any town, and ye shall find what ye want!" This is not from the Bible.

122 2/61a: "- - - the wrath of Allah - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists, and is of little consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural - be careful if he in case is from the dark forces.

123 2/61b: "- - - the signs of Allah - - -". For one thing according to the Bible the Israelites' god was Yahweh, not Allah - also see 2/40 above. For another there never existed any valid sign for Allah - see 4/140b and 36/33 below.

124 2/61c: "- - - slaying His (here intended to mean Allah's*) Messengers without just cause". Please read the Bible. There is no mentioning in the Bible of slaying prophets ("Messenger" is not used as a title in the Bible) during Exodus. Besides: What is a just cause for slaying even one prophet?

125 2/61d: "- - - transgressing - - -". See 2/21b above.

###126 2/62a: "Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabeans (most likely meant people from Saba/Sabah/Sheba, approximately Yemen today - they were Christians*) - any who believe in Allah (see 2/40 above*) and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve". This is an interesting verse, because it tells that Jews and Christians also will be accepted by Allah to his Paradise. But beware that Surah 2 was made in 622 - 624 AD, which means shortly after Muhammad arrived in Medina, and still hoped he could win the many Jews (and few Christians) for his new religion - the words (and deeds) became sharper later when he found out that they did not believe what he wanted them to believe. This verse is more or less abrogated - made invalid - by harsh later verses.

127 2/62b: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

128 2/62c: "- - - reward - - -". Allah can neither reward nor punish anyone at all, unless he exists - and nothing serious unless he is something powerful, good or bad.

129 2/63a: "- - - and We (Allah*) raised above you (the Jews*) (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai) - - -". Here Mr. Yusuf Ali has translated a bit "freely" to leave an impossibility out from the Quran; the Arab original says "lifted the mountain over you" - like a canopy (M. H. Shakir has correct translation here). Needless to say: This is not from the Bible. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

130 2/63b: "- - - fear Allah". See 2/40c above.

131 2/64a: "- - - had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of Allah to you (the Israelites*), ye had surely been among the lost". According to the Bible the Jew's god was Yahweh, not Allan - and Yahweh does not let his followers get lost according to the same book. As for Allah's claimed mercy etc. this is irrelevant unless Allah exists and in addition is a god - but the mercy and grace from a god of war may be limited anyhow.

132 2/64b: "- - - the Grace and Mercy of Allah - - -". See 2/37c above.

133 2/65: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected". This is not from the Bible, but from Arab folklore - a legend which told about some Israelites who were so bad, that the god transformed them into apes. Islam will have to bring strong proofs to make us believe this verse, especially since it is taken from a legend only.

134 2/66a: "So We (Allah*) made it (making apes from Israelites - see 2/65 just above*) an example - - -". This was "borrowed" from an old legend. Unless Islam proves it is true, it is an example at least of the quality and reliability of the Quran.

135 2/66b: "- - - those who fear Allah (Muslims*)". Why fear Allah unless he exists and is a god? - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

€€€136 2/67-71: This story about the heifer is not from the Bible. There is a (red) heifer mentioned in the Books of Moses (4. Mos. 19/2-10), but in a totally different connection.

137 2/67+70: "Allah - - -". According to the Bible Moses' god was Yahweh, not Allah.

€€€138 2/72-73: This story has no similarity to anything told in the Bible.

139 2/72: "- - - Allah was to bring forth what ye (some Jews*) did hide". Impossible unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad.

140 2/73a: "Thus Allah bringeth the dead to life - - -". If Allah has this power he at least never provably has showed so - in contrast to Yahweh who showed so several times - via Jesus and others (there are some 8 cases mentioned in the Bible + 5/110e in the Quran).

141 2/73b: "- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b and 36/33 below.

142 2/74a: "- - - others (other rocks*) which sink for fear of Allah - - -". Animism - something you normally find in primitive religions and cultures, superstition, and in fairy tales.

143 2/74b: "- - - fear of Allah". No reason for that unless he exists and is something powerful.

144 2/74c: "- - - Allah is not mindful of what ye (people*) do". He is if he does not exist.

###145 2/75a: "- - - a party of them (Jews and Christians*) heard the word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it". This was Muhammad's standard - but as normal for him never proved - "explanation" for the differences between what he told the Bible said, and what it really said; that the Bible was falsified. Never any proof for the claim, and never any explanation for how it physically could be possible to falsify tens of thousands of manuscripts spread over millions of square miles and more that the double in square kilometers, and in times of little communication - how to find each and every manuscript? - how to make sure all falsifications were identical? - how to make sure the falsifications did not contradict each other or other parts of the texts? - how to make Jews and Christians and sects agree on what to falsify? - how to make bishops and other religious leaders in the religions and sects agree on falsifying the Bible, a task just as easy as making ayatollahs agree on falsifying the Quran (and for similar reasons)? - and not least how to do it in such ways that even modern science is unable to find the scratches and corrections and differences in ink and in handwriting in the falsified parts in the old papers? And how to perform such a big operation, needing thousands of helpers, without anybody discovered anything? And without anybody remembered the old, correct texts and saw that things were wrong?

Islam will have to bring very strong proofs to make us believe this impossibility.

"What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without proof".

Nonsense is nonsense.

The real reason for the differences between what Muhammad claimed the Bible said, and what it really said, was that Muhammad knew neither the Bible nor the other old Jewish scriptures. It is likely he never saw a complete Bible, and that only after he came to Medina and the Jewish communities there, he got some contact with the real Jewish scriptures. And by then it was too late - he either had to find an "explanation", or admit that his religion was based on wrong facts/information and loose his position as the top religious leader.

This wrong and never even tried documented claim - that the Bible is falsified - also is one of Muhammad's standard "explanations" for why most Jews and Christians did not believe him: They believed in a falsified Bible, some of them even did so by choice, because they wanted a better life here on Earth (without Muhammad ever explaining how belief in Yahweh and perhaps Jesus gave a better life on Earth than belief in Allah and Muhammad and their permission to steal and rob and extort and take slaves.

146 2/75b: "- - - the word of Allah (the Quran*) - - -". But as no book of a quality like the Quran is the words of a god, whose words are the Quran really? There remain 3 possibilities only: 

1: The dark forces (the Devil/Iblis). Many points in the Quran would fit a devil very well.

2: A mental illness like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. Modern medical science suspects this (beware that Muhammad's claimed experiences does not fit "normal" epilepsy, but it fits TLE).

3: Or it is made by one or more cold human brain(s) - Muhammad's in case is the prime suspect for several reasons.

147 2/76 "Shall you (some Jews*) tell them what Allah (here really Yahweh*) hath revealed (the Bible/Jewish scriptures*) to you, that they may engage you in argument about it - - -". The meaning here seems to be that Muhammad claims the Jews on purpose starts debate with Muslims on basis of what he claims are falsified scriptures (but both science and Islam - not intentionally - have strongly proved the Bible, etc. is not falsified).

148 2/77: "- - - Allah knoweth what they (disbelievers*) conceal and what they reveal". Not correct unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which has ever been proved - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap and obedient warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god: Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

149 2/78: "And there are among them (the Jews of Medina*) illiterates, who know not the Book (here likely OT/Jewish scriptures*), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture". Was this also the case for Muhammad? - he knew not the Bible, etc., and he obviously had strong desires - respect, power, riches for bribes - and women.

150 2/79: "Then woe to those who write the Book (here the Bible*) with their own hands (here = change the "holy" texts according to their own wishes*)". This just is another version of Muhammad's never documented claim that the reason why there are differences between what he tells the Bible says and what it really says, was that the Bible was falsified. But both science and Islam strongly have proved that Muhammad's claim about a falsified Bible is wrong, and Islam in addition never has been able to explain how it could be done - or how it could be done without such an enormous conspiracy was detected? - or how it was possible that persons knowing the claimed old texts did not discover the falsifications? Also see 2/75a above.

But is there a woe to Muhammad or someone because he dictated a book not from a god, in spite of what he claimed?

151 2/80a: "- - - He (Allah*) never breaks a promise - - -". There never in all history of man was a proved case of Allah neither giving nor keeping a promise - guess if Islam had told about it if there was even one proved case! (But in a way they are right: If Allah never gave a promise, he also never broke one.)

And: As the Quran and all its errors are not from any god, who made the promises in his name in that book? - and are they worth anything when there is no god behind them?

152 2/80b: "Or is it that ye (non-Muslims*) say of Allah what ye do not know?" As so much is wrong in the Quran, one had better ask Muhammad this question.

153 2/81a: "- - - evil - - - sins - - -". Se 2/21b above.

154 2/81b: "- - - therein (Hell*) shall they (non-Muslims*) abide (for ever)". But f.x. 6/128c, 11/107a, and 78/23 indicate that Hell perhaps is not quite forever (and 11/107a and 11/108 the same for Paradise). In the Bible both Hell and Paradise clearly are forever.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

155 2/82a: "- - - those who have faith - - -". Only Muslims have faith according to the Quran. The Bible disagrees.

156 2/82b: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

157 2/82c: "- - - the Garden (of Heaven*) - - -". Islam tells there are 4 or 6 or more Gardens (at least 4 according to 55/46+62 in the Quran) - one better than the other (but only like a poor, naive, and uneducated primitive desert warrior's dream of a king's lazy luxury life on Earth) - in Paradise. This you do not find in the Bible - and in the Paradise of Yahweh there is not Earth-like luxury - you become like the angels (Luke 22/30). One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, the Paradise had been the same.

One point the Quran never explains, is how it is possible for you to have your family around you like the Quran promises, if not all of them qualifies for the same heaven or garden? Your son and daughter qualify for garden number 1 and 3 respectively, your wife for number 2, whereas you yourself were killed in the Battle of Tours in 732 AD and qualify for Firdaws. How to collect your family around you, like the Quran states is a fact?

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

158 2/82d: "- - - therein (Paradise*) they shall abide (for ever)". But is Allah's Paradise really forever? - 11/107a and 11/108 may indicate it is not really forever (and 6/128c, 11/107a, and 78/23 that also Hell is not quite forever). Muslims explains this away with that it just means the resurrected there will be placed to an even better place - not too difficult as the Quran's Paradise is too primitive to be worthy of an omniscient and omnipotent god - but the Quran does not say so, which means this is a made up "explanation". There is no similar indication in the Bible.

159 2/83a: "- - - We (Allah*) took a covenant from the Children of Israel - - -". According to the Bible - and the Jews even of today - their covenant was with Yahweh, not with Allah.

160 2/83b: "- - - prayer - - -". See 2/3b above and 4/77a below.

161 2/83c: "- - - regular charity - - -". See 4/77b below.

162 2/84-85: There was a kind of civil war in Medina when Muhammad arrived, and the Jewish tribes were allied to different Arab tribes. (There were two dominant Arab tribes and three quite large Jewish ones. The Jews tribes Banu (= tribe) Qurayza and Banu al-Nadir were allied to the Arab Aus tribe, and the Jewish Banu Qainuqa to the Arab Khazraj tribe.) That is the background for these verses. What the Quran never points to, is that the Arabs did just the same.

163 2/85: "For Allah is not unmindful of what ye (the Jews of Medina*) do". If he did not exist and/or was no god, he did not mind them at all.

164 2/86: "These are the people (Jews*) who buy the life of this world for the price of the Hereafter - - -". This is one of Muhammad's standard "explanations" for why the Jews did not believe in his new religion: They so strongly wanted a good life in this world, that they choose what paid better here on Earth (he never explained how it paid better9. The real reason was that the Jews knew their holy scriptures and immediately saw that Muhammad's religion was so different from this, that Allah could not be the same god as Yahweh - a heathen and false religion to them.

165 2/87a "We (Allah*) gave Moses the Book - - -". For one thing the Bible tells that Moses' god was Yahweh, not Allah. For another thing according to the Bible Moses got no book from Yahweh - the only thing he got in writing from Yahweh, were the 10 Commandments written on two stone tablets. It is not possible to misunderstand the Bible on this point.

In addition he was told the law - later named the Law of Moses. This he himself wrote down (2. Mos. 24/4), and this "book" sometimes was called the Book of Covenance (2. Mos. 24/7). It later was incorporated in the Book - or really the Books (there are 5) - of Moses.

If modern science is correct and the Exodus happened around 1235 BC, and if the Bible tells his age correctly (80 years old when the Exodus took place, and lived for another 40 years) Moses lived from ca. 1315 BC to ca. 1195 BC. According to science the Books of Moses - the Torah according to the Israelites - were written much later; around 800 BC or may be even later, and in no case before 950 BC. Moses thus was not involved in the making of them, not to mention got them from the god.

What seems here to have happened, is that the name "the Book(s) of Moses" have made Muhammad believe they were made by Moses, or - like the Quran here claims - given to him.

Humans may make such a mistake, but not an omniscient god.

But it is possible the Muhammad/the Quran here means the copy of the claimed "Mother of the Book" which Allah is claimed to revere in his Heaven according to Muhammad. As the Quran is claimed to be an exact copy of the claimed Mother Book, this means this verse refers to such a copy - a twin more or less of the Quran - which Muhammad claimed was sent down to all claimed prophets and messengers all over the world and to all times, with no exception made for prophets living before man had learnt how to read and write. There is no mentioning of such a book in the entire Bible, and not connected to any Biblical prophet. Also neither science nor Islam has ever been able to fine even fragments of or references to or quotes from such a book anywhere older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission. For a comparison: One knows about some 12ooo manuscripts and fragments from the Bible and some 32ooo manuscripts or fragments with references to or quotes from the Bible, older than 610 AD. As mentioned zero from the Quran, this even though originally there must have been many, many more Qurans than Bibles/Jewish scriptures, if Muhammad told the truth when he said a copy was sent to every prophet/messenger, and if Hadiths tell the truth when it says there were at least 124ooo prophets and messengers through the times.

Believe in the claim about the Quran being a book older than 610 AD (really a little later) if you are able to.

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

166 2/87b: "- - - Messengers - - -". This word is not used as a title anywhere in the Bible, this even though Islam claims it is a higher title than "prophet". (In reality it is the other way around: "Prophet" is a clear and heavy-weight title, whereas a messenger just is a messenger-boy bringing messages for here to there - he does not even need to understand what the messages mean). Perhaps the reason for why Muhammad very often used "Messenger" instead of "Prophet" was a feeling of unease towards the title "Prophet", as he obviously was no prophet (he was unable to make prophesies, and who is a prophet if he/she is unable to make prophesies? - we may add that some Muslims claim that Muhammad made prophesies, but these are made up stories or wishful thinking, as both the Quran and f.x. Aishah in Hadiths are very clear on that Muhammad "was unable to see the unseen" and thus "unable to foresee the future"). It is likely that Islam's "upgrading" of the title "Messenger" is caused by a wish to "upgrade" Muhammad.) Also see 2/252b and 7/157a-c - and the other comments under 7/157 - below.

167 2/87c: "- - - Jesus the son of Mary - - -". Muhammad used this expression to underline his never documented, never proved claim that Jesus was not the son of Yahweh. Actually as Joseph was his accepted and official father here on Earth, Jesus' correct name was Jesus, son of Joseph - Jesus ben Joseph (or as Jesus is the Greek form of the Hebrew Joshua: Joshua ben Joseph). But as known Muhammad did not mind the truth too much if twisting it gave a better result. We may add that in the Bible Jesus is called the son of Yahweh ca. 90 times, and Yahweh is called the father of Jesus more than 200 times, in both cases often by Jesus himself, and even the Quran tells that Jesus was a truthful and reliable prophet.

Another point: AS THE QURAN IN 21/91a CONFIRMS THAT IT WAS THE GOD WHO CREATED JESUS INSIDE MARY, HOW WAS/IS IT THEN POSSIBLE FOR MUHAMMAD, THE QURAN, ISLAM, AND MUSLIMS TO CLAIM THE GOD WAS NOT JESUS' FATHER?? THE ONE CREATING A BABY INSIDE A WOMAN, IS THE FATHER.

>p> ##A small, but telling curiosa here: According to our sources, the Arab version of the name Jesus/Joshua is Yoshuwa or Yushuwa, whereas the Arab form of the name Esau is Isa. This in case means that when Muhammad talked about Isa, he was talking about Esau (the brother of the Jewish patriarch Jacob), not about Jesus like he believed. No god would make such a stupid mistake. Then who made the Quran? 

168 2/87d: "- - - the holy spirit - - -". This is one of the few times the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the Quran, but see 2/97a below. (The Holy Spirit - ruh al-qudus in Arab - is mentioned or likely mentioned in these verses: 2/87, 2/253, 4/171, 5/110, 15/29, 16/102, 17/85, 21/90, 38/72, 58/22, 66/12, 70/4, 78/38, 97/4,and is perhaps referred to in 26/193 and 40/15. (The expression "ruh al-qudus" - which is directly translated to "the Holy Spirit - you will find in 2/87, 2/253, 5/110, and 16/102). We may also mention that because Muhammad claimed that the angel Gabriel brought messages to him, and also that sometimes the Holy Spirit brought him messages, Muslims often claims that the Holy Spirit just is another name for Gabriel, but this is not said in the Quran - and from the Biblical texts such a claim is an impossibility. It is unclear in the Bible what the Holy Spirit really is, but it is very clear it is something much more than an angel. Also see 78/38b - if the Holy Spirit = an angel, 78/38b has wrong grammar. And the Quran has no mistakes?)

The discrete but very central role the Holy Spirit plays in the Bible compared to its near absence in the Quran, is one more of the strong indications for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

169 2/88a: "- - - Allah's Word (the Quran*) - - -". But as the Quran with all its errors, etc. is no god's word - no god makes that number of mistakes - then whose words are it really? - and what are they really worth when they are from no god?

170 2/88b: "- - - blasphemy - - -". There is no blasphemy to disbelieve in Allah or in his claimed power and deeds, if he does not exist. There never was a valid proof for Allah, and "a claim put forth without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof" - - - in addition to that all the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in the Quran prove more than 100% that the book is not from any god.

171 2/89a: "And when it comes to them (mainly the Jews*) a Book (the Quran*) from Allah - - - ". Muhammad claimed - as normal for him without any proof - that the Quran was sent down to him from Allah (and he tried to teach the Jews from it), a claim which obviously is wrong, as no omniscient god ever was involved in a book as full of errors and contradiction like the Quran.

172 2/89b: "And when it comes to them (mainly the Jews*) a Book from Allah , confirming what (the Bible*) was with them - - -". Muhammad claimed the Quran was the same book as the Bible - obviously wrong. He then "explained" away the differences with the never documented claim that the Quran was similar to the "original" Bible, but that bad Jews and Christians had falsified it. A claim both modern science and Islam - the latter not from free will - have proved wrong with strong empirical and circumstantial proofs by not being able to find one single proved falsification among some 44ooo known old manuscripts and fragments - on the contrary; also the very old manuscripts have the same texts like today. Islam also never has been able to explain how the falsifications could have been done, and in ways impossible for modern science to see or understand. Also see 2/75 above.

The small curiosum here: As Islam claims each prophet/messenger got a copy similar to the Quran, and as Hadiths tells there were 124ooo prophets/messengers through the times and all over the world, there must have been at least 124ooo copies of the Quran around, plus all the copies written from these ones. No-one knows how many copies there ever existed of the Bible older than 610 AD, but far fewer - mainly because they were 4-5 times as big as the Quran, and thus 4-5 times as expensive - handwritten books naturally were very expensive - and no 124ooo free copies from the god like the Quran. All the same there exist some 12ooo manuscripts (mostly of parts of the book) or fragments from the Bible + some 32ooo manuscripts or fragments with references to or quotes from texts in the Bible. For a comparison there does not exist even one fragment or one reference or one quote from the Quran in the entire world older than 610, AD when Muhammad started his new religion.

Believe in the claim about the Quran being a book older than 610 AD (really a little later) if you are able to.

173 2/89c: "- - - when there comes to them (mainly Israelites*) that what they (should) have recognized (the Quran*) - - -". A parallel to 2/89b just above. Muhammad claimed that the reason why the Jews in Medina and others would not believe in him, was that they had falsified the Bible/old scriptures (for gains in this life, he claimed). This sounded better for his followers and as arguments towards others, than the reality, which was that the Jews knew their scriptures and saw that what Muhammad claimed they said, far too often was wrong.

174 2/89d: "- - - but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith (non-Muslims*) - - -". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, god or bad. Besides: Compare this to "love your enemies" (f.x. Matt 5/44).

175 2/90a: "Miserable is the price for which they (mainly Jews*) have sold their souls, in that they deny (the revelation) which Allah has sent down - - -". A parallel to 2/89a+b above.

Also see 2/176b below.

176 2/90b: "Miserable is the price for which they (mainly Jews*) have sold their souls, in that they deny (the revelation) which Allah has sent down, in insolent envy that Allah of his grace should send it (the claimed revelations*) to any of His servants (here Muhammad*) He pleases - - -". One reason Muhammad claimed for why the Jews (and few Christians) did not believe in him, was that he claimed they did not accept that the god could use a person who was not a Jew as his messenger. (The real reason was that they easily saw from their old scriptures that Muhammad's new religion by far was not the same religion as their own old one, and that Yahweh and Allah impossibly could be the same god, this in spite of Muhammad’s claims about the opposite.) Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

Also see 2/176b below.

177 2/90c: "- - - (the revelation (the Quran*)) - - -". See 2/4a above.

178 2/90d "- - - (the revelation (the Quran*)) which Allah has sent down - - -". No god ever sent down a book of a quality like the Quran.

Also see 2/176b below.

179 2/90e: "- - - His (Allah's*) Grace - - -". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, the code of behavior during and after raids and wars, the judicial code, etc. Skip the flowering words and read the reality - the orders, the demands, the romancing of war, the introduced rules and codes, the moral and the judicial codes, etc. How much real grace do you find. Compare it to Jesus and NT and weep. Or laugh.

180 2/90f: "And humiliating is the punishment of those who reject Faith (non-Muslims)". Not unless Allah exists and is a god, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). And the Bible even says the followers of Yahweh are the ones safe from punishment.

181 2/91a: "Believe in what Allah hath sent down". No omniscient god ever sent down a book of a quality like the Quran. And why believe in a book full of errors and even a few(?) lies and not from a god?

Also see 2/176b below.

182 2/91b: "- - - Truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

183 2/91c: "- - - (the Quran was*) confirming what (the old scriptures*) was with them (the Jews*) - - -". Muhammad claimed his Quran confirmed the Bible and the old Jewish scriptures. This is wrong. There are so many and so grave differences that the Quran simply is a very apocryphal book, not a confirmation of anything concerning the Bible or anything else concerning the Jewish and Christian religions. (But the claim was the only way Muhammad could save his religion and platform of power.)

184 2/91d: "Why have ye (the Jews*) slain the messengers of Allah in times gone by - - -". Please read the Bible. How many real prophets ("messenger" is not used as a title in the Bible) did the Jews slay? - far from "the messengers".

185 2/91e: "- - - messengers of Allah - - -". According to the Bible the Jewish prophets were from Yahweh, not from Allah. There is not one single documented prophet from Allah known anywhere in the world before 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission. Also quite a number of the Jewish prophets lived within times of written history. We do not find them personally there, but it is clear that there never was any trace or anything from a book similar to the Quran, a god similar to Allah, or a religion similar to Islam anywhere in the region - or anywhere else.

186 2/93a: "- - - We (Allah*) took your (the Jews'*) Covenant - - -". According to the Bible, the Jews' covenant was with Yahweh, not with Allah.

187 2/93b: "- - - We (Allah*) raised above you (the Israelites*) (the towering height) of Mount (Sinai) - - -". The interesting part here is that the inclusion "(the towering height)" is not from the Arab original. There Allah lifted Mount Sinai over the Israelites - like a ceiling or a canopy. Some dishonesty? This "information" also is not from the Bible.

##188 2/94a: "If the last home (Paradise*) - - - be for you (Jews, Christians*) specially, and not for someone else, then seek ye for death, if ye are sincere". You even today may meet Muslims using this as an argument for that non-Muslims do not really believe in what they say. This in spite of that at least Muslim scholars today know ever so well that believers in Yahweh cannot seek death, as it means they destroy the most valuable gifts they have got from their god; their life. This is such an insult to the god that they end in Hell.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

189 2/94b: "- - - the last Home (Paradise*), with Allah - - -". According to the Bible the last home will be with Yahweh.

190 2/95a: "But they (non-Muslims*) will never seek for death - - -". A parallel to 2/94 just above.

191 2/95b: "- - - (sin) - - -". See 2/21b above.

192 2/95c: "- - - Allah is well-acquainted with the wrongdoers - - -". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and he thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests, because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

193 2/95d: "- - - (sins) - - - wrongdoers - - -". See 2/21b above.

194 2/96: "For Allah sees well all that they (the Jews*) do". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural white or black.

#195 2/97a: "- - - Gabriel - - -". In the Bible he is one of the arch angels. In the Quran he is the angel bringing messages to Muhammad. As the Quran a couple of times mentions that also the Holy Spirit brought messages to Muhammad, many Muslims draw the conclusion that Gabriel just is another name for the Holy Spirit. Nobody who reads the Bible with an open mind will ever get that idea - it is in the Bible not quite clear what the Holy Spirit is, but it is very clear it is something different from an angel, and something much more than an angel. Also see 78/38b - if the Holy Spirit = an angel, 78/38b has wrong grammar. And the Quran has no mistakes?

196 2/97b: "- - - he (Gabriel*) brings down the (revelation (the Quran*)) - - -". Was it revelations? - in case from whom, as no god ever was involved in a teaching of a quality like the Muhammad's? (3 possible alternatives: 1): The dark forces. 2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). 3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's.)

Also see 45/13a below.

197 2/97c: "- - - (the Quran is*) a confirmation (of the Jewish scriptures and the Bible*) - - -". Muhammad claimed his Quran confirmed the Bible and the old Jewish scriptures. This is wrong. There are so many and so grave differences that the Quran at best simply is a very apocryphal book, not a confirmation of anything concerning the Bible or anything else concerning the Jewish and Christian religions.

198 2/97d: "- - - a guidance (the Quran*) - - -". No book as full of errors and worse as the Quran is a reliable guidance.

199 2/97e: "- - - a glad tiding - - -". Is a religion preaching suppression, discrimination, hate, war, etc. a glad tiding? - except perhaps for those permitted to steal, rape, suppress, extort, and take slaves.

200 2/98a: "- - - Allah and His angels and Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -" A strengthened version of Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his god and platform of power.

201 2/98b: "- - - Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c - and the other comments under 7/157 - below.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

202 2/98c: "Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith (Islam*)". Impossible - and also of no consequence - unless he exists.

203 2/99a: "We (Allah*) have sent down to thee (Muhammad*) manifest Signs - - -". In all the Quran there is not one valid sign (in the Quran indicated to be proofs) for Allah - or for Muhammad's connection to a god. The reason is that not one single place is it proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed was a sign - or a few times even a proof - for Allah. Each and every believer in any religion can make just the same claims on behalf of his/her god(s) as long as they do like Muhammad; evade all requests for proofs.

Muhammad here has strengthened his statement with the word "manifest" - he often strengthens his claims or statements. But to strengthen a nothing does not help at all - if you have a zero and multiply it with a billion, you still only have a zero.

A thought provoking fact here is: Who is it who has to rely on not proved or even made up claims? - the cheat and the deceiver.

Also see 2/176b below.

204 2/99b: "- - - and none reject them (the invalid signs in 2/99a just above*) but those who are perverse". We do not think this merits a comment, except that it shows that Muhammad was mastering demagogy and psychology. Plus that it is one of Muhammad's many negative, distance and apartheid inducing, slandering names for non-Muslims

205 2/101a: "And when there came to them (the Jews*) a Messenger from Allah (Muhammad*) - - -". But was Muhammad a messenger from a good god?

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

206 2/101b: "And when there came to them (the Jews*) a Messenger from Allah (Muhammad*), confirming what (the Bible/old scriptures*) was with them - - -". There are so big and so fundamental differences between the Bible and the Quran, that the Quran is no confirmation of the Bible.

207 2/101c: "And when there came to them (the Jews*) a Messenger from Allah (Muhammad*), confirming what (the Bible/old scriptures*) was with them, a party of the People of the Book (mainly = Jews and Christians, here most Jews, as there lived few Christians in the area*) threw away the Book of Allah (as the Quran really did not exist when this was written in 622 - 624 AD, this means the teachings of Muhammad*) behind their backs, as if (it had been something) they did not know!" Again this claim that Jews and Christians had falsified the Bible and because of that did not accept that the Quran/Muhammad's teachings were the correct "Bible". This never documented claim is proved wrong both by science and - not from free will, but solidly - by Islam. See f.x. 2/75, 2/89a+b and 2/90b above.

208 2/101d: "- - - a Messenger (Muhammad*) from Allah - - -". See 2/119a below.

209 2/101e: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

210 2/102a: "- - - evil ones - - -". See 2/21b above. Also: This verse has no connection to the Bible.

211 2/102b: "- - - the power of Solomon - - -". The Quran indicates Solomon had supernatural powers. This is nowhere indicated in the Bible.

212 2/102c: "- - - blasphemers (intended meaning; against Allah*) - - -". There is no blasphemy in doubting Allah if he does not exist. Also: This verse has no connection to the Bible.

213 2/102d: "- - - Harut and Marut - - -". It seems that this story is borrowed from a Jewish legend about the fallen angels Shemhazai, Uzza, and Aza'le, but the names may derive from the Zoroastrian arch angels Haruvatat and Ameretat. They are not from the Bible, and neither is their story. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

214 2/102e: "But they (evil persons*) could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's permission". Here are two fundamental differences between the Quran and the Bible: For one thing it is Allah who decides EVERYTHING - he actually predestines it according to other verses in the Quran. In the Bible free will of man is real. And for the other thing: As Allah decides everything, he is not a good and benevolent god when he decides or accepts bad things to happen, and also he is unjust when punishing people for bad things he has forced them to do. (Islam tries to find ways out of this harsh fact, but admits it is not possible to understand how man can have free will when Allah predestines and decides everything, "but it has to be true, because it is said in the Quran" - the brain's ultimate defeat to dogmatism.)

215 2/102f: "- - - except by Allah's permission". Allah can permit nothing unless he exists, and little unless he is a something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

216 2/103a: "- - - if they (bad people learning magic*) had kept their Faith (Islam - even though we now are at the time of Solomon and some 1500 years before Muhammad and the first known Muslim*) - - -". What for if the Quran is a book unconnected to any god, like all the mistakes, etc. in it proves 110% and more.

217 2/103b: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

218 2/103c: "- - - reward from their (see 2/103a above*) Lord (here intended to mean Allah*) - - -". Allah can reward nobody unless he exists and few unless he is something supernatural, good or bad.

###219 2/104a: "O ye of Faith (Muslims - only Muslims have faith according to the Quran*)! Say not (to the Messenger (Muhammad*)) words of ambiguous import, but words of respect; and hearken to him - - -". This may be one of the key verses for understanding Muhammad: He wanted respect, power, and obedience. He also wanted riches for bribes, women, and for more power. In addition he may the first years(?) have believed some of his teaching himself, at least if he had this mental illness (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - TLE) or something similar. Muhammad was very different from Jesus to say the least of it, and far from in the same religion.

And the real Muhammad was very far from the saint and demy-god Islam pretends.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

220 2/104b: "- - - (- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*)) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

221 2/104c: "- - - to those without Faith (non-Muslims*) is a grievous punishment". According to the Bible the non-Muslims following Yahweh are safe. For the ones not following Yahweh - included Muslims - the situation may be different (Islam is too apocryphal or worse, and it is unlikely Yahweh will accept as one of his sects).

222 2/105a: "It is never the wish of those without Faith (non-Muslims*) the People of the Book (= Jews, Christians, and Sabeans - naturally none of which were Muslims, though a few changed religion*), nor of the Pagans, that anything should come down to you (Muhammad*) from your Lord (Allah*)". Muhammad here meant that they did not accept that an Arab could be a prophet for the old Jewish and Christian god (and that that was a reason for why they did not accept him - you meet this claim some places in the Quran). And the Quran adds that it is Allah who decides such things. (A better argument than to admit that the real reason why few Jews and Christians accepted him, was that they saw from their Bible that Muhammad impossibly could speak about the god they believe in, as Allah was too different from Yahweh.)

223 2/105b: "- - - Allah will choose - - -". Again: Not unless he at least exists.

224 2/105c: "- - - (Allah's*) Mercy - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists and is a god - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

225 2/105d: "- - - for Allah is Lord of grace abounding". He in case is the first god of war in the history of man like that. Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code and code of conduct, the unjust parts of the sharia laws, etc. When there are discrepancy between beautiful words and harsh reality, we always believe in the reality.

####226 2/106a: "None of Our (Allah's*) revelations do We (Allah*) abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We (Allah*) substitute something better or similar - - -". In other words: When verses are abrogated, new ones come instead = abrogation is a reality in the Quran. This is a very central verse in Islam's rule for abrogation (to decide which point in a text in the Quran is correct if two or more points contradicts each other or in other ways do not agree). The general rule is that a younger verse wins over an older one, which f.x. means that the relatively peaceful verses from Mecca normally are made invalid by the harsher, but younger verses from Medina, if the contents of the verses are different.

Some Muslims deny that the rules for abrogation really is a part of Islam, because - as they very correctly say - that prove that Allah cannot be omniscient, as he was unable to make the best rule at once, and had to change his mind now and then. Most non-Muslims do not know about these rules at all - or what they prove about Allah. But this verse proves that abrogation is a part of the Quran and thus of Islam. It also is strongly incorporated in the religion and in Islamic law.

For abrogation also see 3/54 and 8/30 below. Abrogation as a formal part of the religion does not exist in the Bible - one more clear indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

227 2/106b: "- - - revelation - - -". But was it revelations? - in case from whom, as no god ever was involved in a teaching of a quality like the Muhammad's? (3 possible alternatives: 1): The dark forces. 2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). 3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's.)

Also see 45/13a below.

228 2/106c: "- - - Allah hath power over all things - - -". An easy claim - never proved like always from Muhammad. But the Bible says the only all-powerful one is Yahweh, not Allah. Also see 16/78 below.

229 2/107a: "Knowest thou (people*) not that to Allah belongeth the dominion of the Heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth?" Well, according to the Bible this belong to Yahweh.

230 2/107b: "- - - besides Him (Allah*) ye (people*) have neither patron nor helper". Well, according to the Bible there is always Yahweh, at least for his followers. Besides: Allah is no helper unless he exists and has power, neither of which was ever proved.

231 2/108a: "Would you (Muslims*) question your Messenger (Muhammad*) as Moses was questioned of old?" This is an interesting small point: According to the Quran the Israelites told Moses that they would not believe him unless he showed them the god (Yahweh*). The Bible tells that it was Yahweh's idea and wish to show himself to the people, and that the Israelites did not demand so, but in reality were afraid of what was going to happen (2. Mos. 19/10 to 20/19). (As the Israelites according to the Bible already had had plenty of proofs for the existence of Yahweh - f.x. they were guided by a column of smoke by day and a similar of fire by night - the Quran's tale in addition is illogical.) This story is a bit interesting because Muhammad a couple of times used the Quran's tale about the Israelites as an example of bad behavior, and then the Bible - which after all is more reliable than the Quran - tells a different story.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

232 2/108b: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

233 2/108c: "But whoever changeth from Faith to unbelief (= leaves Islam*), hath strayed without doubt from the even way". If Islam is a made up religion - which all the mistake facts, etc. prove it is - this does not matter one way or the other. But according to the Bible, it is a good idea to "stray" over to Yahweh.

234 2/108d: "- - - the even way". Is it symptomatic that the Quran and Muhammad talk about "the straight Way", "the even Path", "the straight Path", etc. - the easy road - to the Paradise, whereas Jesus talked about "the narrow road" - the difficult one? Populism contra realism?

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

235 2/109a: "Quite a number of the People of the Book (Jews, Christians, and Sabeans - the last ones likely from the then partly Christian Saba/Sabah/Sheba in what now Yemen*) wish they could turn you (people (Muslims*)) back to infidelity (here = belief in the Bible instead of in Muhammad/the Quran*) after ye have believed (become Muslims*), from selfish envy - - -". That non-Muslims would like to "turn back" the Muslims, is highly likely. But the rest is propaganda. The reason is not envy - though some Arabs envied the Muslims their rights to steal/loot, extort, rape, take slaves, etc, and many of them joined and/or stayed with Muhammad for this reason or for getting bribes - but partly fear for the militant Muslims, and partly other reasons, but not "selfish envy" with the mentioned exception. But a leader often benefits from painting opponents in disgusting colors - Muhammad frequently uses this technique, often to evade difficult facts or questions.

236 2/109b: "- - - infidelity - - -". But what is really infidelity? - to blindly believe in a book so full of mistakes, etc. that it is clear no god ever was involved? - or to be able to see at least some of the mistakes and understand what they mean - - - and then perhaps look around to see if there is a real god somewhere?

237 2/109c: "- - - Truth - - -". See 2/26 above. To add to the claim that it "has become manifest" does not help, as this is absolutely untrue, but it sounds good for followers.

238 2/109d: "- - - forgive and overlook - - -". This was written during the transition period shortly after the arrival in Medina, and Islam still had not become a pure war religion, and also still hoped to win the Jews for Islam.

239 2/109e: "- - - Allah hath power over all things". According to the Bible only Yahweh has power over all things.

240 2/110a: "- - - prayer - - -". See 2/3b above.

241 2/110b: "- - - regular in charity - - -". Also the Quran honors charity much. The difference between the Quran and the Bible here is that the Quran several places stresses that you shall not give more than you can afford, a limit you do not find in the Bible - on the contrary in the Bible the idol is the old widow who gave everything she owned. And also in the Quran the main thing in charity is to gain merit in Heaven, whereas in especially NT empathy with the poor ones is more of a part in it. See 4/77b below.

242 2/110c: "- - - Allah sees well all that ye (people*) do". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

243 2/111a: "None shall enter Paradise unless he is a Jew or a Christian". The Quran opposes this very strongly and claims that only Muslims can enter Paradise, though some verses indicate that strongly believing Jews and Christians may be accepted.

Another fact is that the Bible tells that only followers of Yahweh can enter Paradise.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

###244 2/111b: "Produce your (non-Muslims'*) proof if ye are truthful". This is one of the pinnacles of irony in the Quran, and one you meet several times: All opponents are to produce proofs for any information, and proofs of mathematical strength - empirical, etc. proofs often are not accepted as exceptions sometimes may be possible. Muhammad, Islam, and its Muslims never prove anything at all of central claims or dogmas - they demand or expect to be believed without proofs or documentation, even if they present claims or arguments which obviously are wrong. Remember this when debating with Muslims, and demand proofs for their claims. This very often will spoil their claims, because mostly proofs do not exist - and never for central claims in the religion - it is not that they do not they do not know the proofs, but that proofs do not exist.

But there is one positive effect of all Muhammad's demands for proofs: They document that Muhammad knew proofs were valuable and essential - but all the same he was unable to prove anything and had to use fast talk and invalid claims and arguments instead. This tells something essential.

245 2/112a: "- - - whoever submits his whole self to Allah - - -". Rather risky as the Quran with all its mistakes is not from any god, and thus Allah highly likely a made up or an old pagan god (al-Lah).

246 2/112b: "- - - doer of good - - -". See 2/21b above.

247 2/112c: "- - - he (a Muslim*) will get his reward with his Lord (Allah*) - - -". A very good deal for Muhammad, who then did not have to pay him - f.x. a warrior. And if Allah does not exist or does not believe in Muhammad's all too many mistakes, it was/is a good deal for him, too, because then also Allah did not have to pay him.

248 2/112d: "- - - nor shall they (Muslims in the possible next life*) grieve". They will not do so if there is no next life - then they just have been "useful idiots" for someone(s). If there is a next life, they will grieve if there is no Allah or if his religion is different from what is told among all the errors and worse in the Quran. A rather special situation will be if the god they meet "over there" is Yahweh - a god whose religion they turned their back to.

249 2/113a: "Yet they (Jews and Christians*) (profess to) study the same Book". Wrong. Only OT is quite similar. In addition Jews read other old scriptures, whereas Christians instead read NT - a book hardly any Jew reads. And the fact that NT is the full basis for Christianity, while OT mainly is historical background for them, makes this statement extra wrong. Muslim scholars know this, but we have not seen any of them correcting this Quranic verse.

Also: Any god had known this - then who made the Quran?".

250 2/113b: "- - - Allah will judge - - -". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black.

251 2/114a: "And who is more unjust than he who forbids that in places for worship of Allah, Allah's name should be celebrated?" This refers to the situation there and then - the Muslims could not go to the Kabah in Mecca. But so what if Allah did not exist, something all the mistakes in the Quran (= the book is not from a god) + the fact that he never in the history of man or anywhere in the world provably has manifested or in any other way proved himself, prove beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt - though not beyond naivety, blindness, wishful thinking or fanatics.

An interesting fact here is that this most holy place according to Allah and Muhammad, was so totally without interest for Yahweh and for all his Biblical prophets, included Jesus, that it is neither mentioned anywhere in the Bible nor did any of those prophets even try to visit it - neither before the start of written history in the area, nor later, and this as said includes Jesus who is the 3. or 4. most central prophet in the Quran (after Muhammad, Abraham, and perhaps Moses).

252 2/114b: "- - - Allah's name should be celebrated - - -". See 2/114a just above.

253 2/115a: "To Allah belong the East and the West - - -". According to the Bible both - and more - belong to Yahweh, not to Allah.

#254 2/115b: "- - - where-ever ye (people*) turn, there is the Presence of Allah". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural - good or bad. Also beware that that most comments like this, are answers to never proved claims from Muhammad - he has hundreds of them in the Quran.

255 2/115c: "- - - Allah is - - - All-Knowing". Not if he made the Quran. As for "knowledge" also see 22/3a below - an interesting one.

256 2/116a: "They (the Christians*) say: 'Allah hath begotten a son (Jesus*)'". NT is very clear on that Jesus was son of God (Yahweh, not Allah*). Muhammad strongly denied this - if Jesus was the son of the god, no-one would believe Muhammad's claims that he - Muhammad - was the greatest of prophets ever. In addition it is likely Muhammad's strong stressing on monotheism counted - he was unable to see that the Christians had and have only one god, and that Jesus only got his power from him (he thought the Christians in a way were polytheists, with the trinity Yahweh, Jesus, and Mary|(!) all being gods).

We remind you that Yahweh is called the father of Jesus at least 204 times in the Bible, and Jesus the son of Yahweh at least 89 times - often by Jesus himself in both cases, and even the Quran says Jesus was reliable.

We may add that the trinity formally is a central detail in Christian teaching, but only a detail, and only a formality. If it should turn out that the Trinity is wrong, it would reduce Jesus a little but not much, and it would have no effect on the basic points of the religin.

257 2/116b: "- - - to Him (Allah*) belongs all that is in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". According to the Bible this belongs to Yahweh, not to Allah.

258 2/116c: "- - - everything renders worship to Him (Allah*) - - -". Stones, oil, plants, slugs, worms, insects, fish, pigs, bacteria, and so on in absurdum. Absurd. Another thing is that this is animism or even anthropomorphism (the belief that inanimate things or animals, etc. have human faculties and a mind). This is something you normally find in primitive and/or animistic religions and in fairy tales for small children.

259 2/117a: "To Him is due the primal origin and the heavens (plural and wrong - a god should know there are no 7 (material) heavens like the Quran claims - f.x. 65/12b) and the earth - - -". "Strong claims need strong proofs", and: "Claims without a proof can be dismissed without a proof", and: "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof". Not to forget: "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. Muhammad never proved his claimed "facts" regarding his central religious points. Also Muslims of today like to throw around claims and pretends it is up to you to disprove them. But it is the one with the claims who has the burden of proving his words, so do not fall for that trap - demand that he first proves his claims. Islam has not one proof for one single of its central religious claims.

According to the Bible this is due to Yahweh - and according to science it is due to nature.

260 2/117b: "- - - He saith to it: 'Be', and it is". NT is very clear on that Jesus was the son of Yahweh. Muhammad strongly denied such a relationship - see 2/116a above - and f.x. claimed that as the god had no woman, he could get no son. Now in the very old Semitic religion there actually was a woman - one spoke about the god and his Amat (source New Scientist and others), and thus Yahweh easily could have got a son "the normal way" - but who can tell if "the normal way" is normal or necessary for a god? May be Yahweh just said: "Be a son", and Jesus was.

261 2/118a: "Say those without knowledge - - -". Muhammad was clever at understanding and manipulating people. Those who did not accept his claims without asking for proofs were "without knowledge". And who wanted to belong to the ones without knowledge? - especially the proud warriors without education and knowledge would like to be reckoned among the wise ones.

But "what is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion. Also see 22/3a below - an interesting one.

262 2/118b: "Say those without knowledge: 'Why speaketh not Allah unto us? Or why cometh not unto us a Sign?" Unlike Yahweh according to the Bible, Allah had absolutely no direct contact with his followers at any time or in any way - there exists no proof or even a clear indication for that he existed, only Muhammad's claims. And Muhammad was not too reliable.

And "what is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion. Remember: "Strong claims need strong proofs", and: "Claims without a proof can be dismissed without a proof", and: "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof". Not to forget: "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. Muhammad never proved his claimed "facts" regarding his central religious facts. Also Muslims of today like to throw around claims and pretends it is up to you to disprove them. But it is the one with the claims who has the burden of proving his words, so do not fall for that trap - demand that he first proves his claims. Islam as said has not one proof for one single of its central religious claims.

Also see 2/118c and 22/3a below.

263 2/118c: "We (Allah*) have indeed made clear the Signs - - -". Wrong. Unlike in the Bible (if it tells the truth) there exist no valid signs for Allah, in spite of the Quran's claims about the opposite. The reason is that it never is proved that it really is Allah who makes the claimed signs. Muhammad's claims, therefore, are invalid - any believer in any religion can claim just the same for his/her god, as long as no proofs are necessary. Such claims are without value (or here perhaps of negative value, as they prove that Muhammad had no better arguments (if so he had used them instead)). And "what is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion. Also see 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

264 2/119a: "Verily, We (Allah*) have sent thee (Muhammad*) - - -". No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

265 2/119b: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above. 

266 2/119c: "- - - glad tidings - - -". Is a religion preaching suppression, discrimination, hate, war, etc. a glad tiding? - except perhaps for those permitted to steal, rape, suppress, and take slaves, grab power, etc.?

267 2/119d: "- - - the Companions of the Blazing fire (= the ones bound for Hell*) - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative and discriminating names for non-Muslims. Besides the Bible tells that the followers of Yahweh are safe (but likely not the Muslims).

268 2/120a: "Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee (Muhammad*) unless thou follow their form of religion". Quite likely right - they saw already at that time that things were seriously wrong with Muhammad's new religion (f.x. what Muhammad claimed the Bible said, was not what it really said).

269 2/120b: "- - - the Guidance of Allah - - -". - does not exist unless Allah exists.

270 2/120c: "- - - Guidance - - -". No book as full of errors and worse as the Quran, is a reliable guidance. And no book full of errors and worse is from an omniscient god.

271 2/120d: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 22/3a below - an interesting one.

272 2/120e: "- - - thou (people*) find neither Protector nor Helper against Allah". According to the Bible Yahweh is a good protector and helper against anyone. Besides, if Allah does not exist or for other reasons is not a god, nobody needs help or protection against him - and the only rumor claiming his existence is based on Muhammad's never proved claims - from a man of doubtful moral and reliability, but with much to gain from making people believe in his new religion; his platform of power.

273 2/121a: "Those (Muslims*) to whom We (Allah*) sent the Book (the Quran*) - - -". No god ever sent a book of a quality like the Quran.

#274 2/121b: "- - - those (non-Muslims*) who reject faith therein (in the Quran*) - the loss is their own". It never is a loss not to be cheated by made up tales, and the Quran itself proves 100%++ that it is not from a god - no omniscient god ever was involved in a book of that quality - the religious dogma that the Quran is good quality, has no real influence on its quality.

275 2/122a: "- - - call to mind the special favor I (Allah*) bestowed upon you (the Jews*) - - -". According to the Bible the Israelites' god was Yahweh, not Allah.

276 2/122b: "- - - My (Allah's*) Message (the Quran*))". No god ever delivered a book as full of mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) as the Quran.

277 2/122c: "- - - Message (the Quran*)". Is it a message? - and in case from whom, as no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran? (3 possible alternatives: 1): The dark forces. 2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). 3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's.)

And no good and benevolent god would be behind acceptance of dishonesty and the harsh, hateful, apartheid religion of war you find in the Quran, especially in the surahs from Medina.

Also see 45/13a below.

278 2/124a: "I (Allah*) will make thee (Abraham*) an Imam to the Nations". This is not from the Bible. The same goes for the rest of the verse. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Stratagem to avoid or circumvent legal principles or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choices, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campaigned of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguise. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

For Abraham also see 2/125a, 2/127a, 2/128a, 22/78c and 14/37b below.

279 2/124b: "- - - imam - - -". This word does not exist in the entire Bible.

280 2/124c: "- - - My (here indicated to be Allah's*) Promise - - -". There never in all history of man , and nowhere in the world was even one proved case of Allah giving a promise, not to mention kept one. The best proof for this is that if there had existed such a proved case, Islam had told you several times a day - but Islam is silent about this. Lots of claims, but never a proved case.

And: As the Quran and all its mistakes are not from any god, then who made all the promises in the name of Allah in the Quran? - and are such promises without a god behind them, worth anything?

281 2/124d: "- - - evildoers - - -". See 2/21b above.

282 2/125a: "Remember We (Allah*) made the House (the mosque Kabah in Mecca*) - - -". This is not from the Bible. There simply is no reference neither to the Kabah, nor to Mecca in the entire Bible. If those places were as holy as Muhammad claimed, and if Yahweh and Allah had been the same god, there is no chance Yahweh and the Bible had not told so. A 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 2/191c and 48/27d below and not least 22/26a below. And see 2/125e in http://www.1000mistakes.com.

It also tells quite a lot that none of the Jewish/Israelian prophets, included Abraham, Moses, and Jesus never uttered the slightest wish to go to that holy(?) place - not even for a Hajj (a pilgrimage).

283 2/125b: "- - - the Station of Abraham - - -". This is not from the Bible, but there is a stone in Mecca with marks in it. The marks may look like made by feet, and Muhammad claimed the marks were made by Abraham's feet when he and Ishmael built the Kabah. But for one thing Abraham never was in Mecca, in spite of Muhammad's never documented claims, for another it is highly unlikely also Ishmael ever was in Mecca, also here in spite of strong, but as normal for Muhammad never proved claims - see in http://www.1000mistakes.com for much more about this. In addition: How do a worker make marks from his feet in a stone when building a house?

There are a lot of legends connected to this stone - and also to the so-called Black Stone on a corner of the Kabah - but legends. Nothing is documented.

284 2/125c: "- - - We (Allah*) covenanted with Abraham and Ishmael - - -". One thing is that according to the Bible Abraham's god was Yahweh, not Allah. Another thing is that according to the same book Yahweh covenanted Abraham, but not Ishmael. What Yahweh according to the Bible did concerning Ishmael, was to promise Abraham that also Ishmael would be the forefather of a nation (1. Mos.21/13), which he did, as Ishmael's descendants became the Ishmaelites (which later disappeared - likely intermixed with other tribes and no longer a separate tribe/nation). Yahweh also promised Abraham that among Ishmael's descendants should be rulers, and some of them became so (1. Mos. 25/16). But these were promises to Abraham, not covenants with Ishmael according to the Bible.

285 2/125d: "- - - We (Allah*) covenanted with Abraham and Ishmael, that they should sanctify My (Allah's*) House (the Kabah Mosque in Mecca*) - - -". This is not from the Bible - and as the place was and is the most holy place on Earth to Allah, there is no chance it had not been mentioned also in that book if Yahweh and Allah had been the same god - but to Yahweh the place is so totally uninteresting that it is never mentioned in the entire Bible, included not by Jesus. There also are strong at least circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that Abraham never visited Mecca or even the Arabian Peninsula (see 2/127 below and http://1000mistakes.com) - Islam will have to provide strong proofs, but proofs, not just claims, to be believed by rational brains, if they still claim differently.

For Abraham also see 2/124a above 2/127a and 2/128a, 22/78c and 14/37b below.

286 2/125e: "- - - (- - - prayer) - - -". See 2/3b above and 4/77a below.

287 2/126a: A parallel to 125a+b above.

288 2/126b: "- - make this (Mecca*) a City of Peace - - -". This is an unintended joke, as Mecca did not even exist at the time of Abraham - even the Quran proves this from their claim that Hagar run back and forth without finding a human being, and by the information that there was no water to be found until the Zam Zam spring appeared. Mecca just was some generations old at the time of Muhammad, some 2500 years after Abraham. "- - - a City of Peace - - -" also is a joke - and a pitch black one - as it forever after Muhammad has been the ideological center for apartheid, suppression, strife, injustice (f.x. slave hunting and Nazi-like/Fascistic thinking), strife, aggression, terrorism, and war.

289 2/127a: “And remember that Abraham and Ishmael raised the foundations of the House (Kabah*) (with this prayer): - - - “. Abraham never built the foundation of Kabah (and a contradiction; other verses say he built the building, not only the foundation of it) - and there are several reasons for this:

He was born in Ur of the Chaldeans (if he ever existed) in what is now south Iraq. Together with his father, (Terah according to the Bible (1. Mos. 11/26-32), Azar in the Quran (6/74)), he later travelled northwest up along the Euphrates valley to Haran in what is now north Iraq. Years later - when he was 75 (1. Mos. 12/4) - he continued south-southwest to Canaan and the town Sikem in what is now Israel (Sikem is north of Jerusalem. It is now named Nablus). That is to say he travelled along the so-called Fertile Crescent - the natural route from Ur when you travel with flocks of animals. The alternative was to take a shortcut through the Arab desert, but few of his numerous sheep and goats and cows would survive such a trip. He never visited Mecca on his way from Ur to Sikem. (Besides this was too early in the story - Ishmael was not born yet, and he is a part of the building of the Kabah according to the Quran).

Abraham then settled in the western part of Canaan (now part of Israel), whereas his nephew Lot settled in the Jordan valley and in the Arabah Valley near the Dead Sea further east. Later Abraham moved south to Negev in Sinai. Negev today is most known for its desert, but not all was/is desert. All this is according to the Bible, but the Quran has no conflicting information, except that his father had another name, and that he quarreled with his father about Allah, which is not told in the Bible (on the contrary - they lived together for decades). The point is that between Canaan and Mecca and also between (West) Negev and Mecca are hundreds and hundreds of miles (to the tune of 600) or kilometers (1ooo - give or take some depending on where you start) of the tough and dry and hot Arab desert. Abraham was rich and had huge flocks of animals. He could not take those huge flocks of cows, etc., through Lot's area and then through that desert, and especially so when there was no reason for doing it.

Abraham lived hundreds of miles from Mecca - and had to cross harsh terrain to get to and from (see above). Nobody builds a big temple for himself and his family at a place they can never or nearly never visit.

Abraham was a nomad. Nomads do not have the know-how and technology to build large stone buildings.

Hadiths tell than when Mecca restored the Kabah some years before Muhammad took over, they rebuilt it smaller than Abraham's(?) foundations. Which means that the nomad Abraham and his one son built so big, that it was too big and too expensive for the full city of Mecca to rebuild to the same size. A nomad and his son building that big a temple for himself and his small family, even though he lived hundreds of miles away and at the very best hardly ever could visit the place? Of course you are free to believe it if you want.

Abraham and Lot split up for practical reasons - Lot moved east whereas Abraham moved west (1. Mos. 13/11-12). Arabia and the place which was to become Mecca many generations later was to the east - much further east and south than even Lot settled.

(1. Mos. 14/6): "- - - in the Hill country of Seir, as far as El Paran near the desert". Seir was the hilly country east of the southern end of the Dead Sea. To the west of this was the Arabah Valley (running from Elath to the Dead Sea), and west across that valley you met the Paran Desert - quite a long way from Mecca. (There was an area named Faran near Mecca. This Islam call Paran and without documentation claims is the Paran from the Bible. No relevant scientist believes them. (Remember that the definition of a scientist is a person trying to find the truth, not a person trying with any means included dishonesty, to "prove" a fixed idea or a religious necessity.))

Abraham simply was not involved in the building of Kabah, and it is highly unlikely in the extreme that he ever visited Mecca and even the Arabian Peninsula. The claim looks like a fairy tale made up to give weight to Kabah and to Islam. And not least to give weight to Muhammad, who 2500 years later could tell he was direct descendant from Abraham - without the slightest written paper from all those years. 2500 years of mostly an-alphabetic nomads without any written history. Believe it if you want – and if you know who were all your forefathers the year 500 BC (= ca. 2500 years ago), as after 2500 years you have, and Muhammad had, a large number of them (something like 80 generations give you quite a number of forefathers, not only one - Abraham - like Muhammad claimed, and thus only a tiny wee bit of DNA from Abraham even if the claim had been true. Also remember here the fact that according to the Bible Ishmael (the Arabs' claimed forefather) settled to the east of where the Suez Canal now runs approximately, roughly a 1ooo miles from Mecca). 

It also is worth adding that Muslims say that Mecca was where Abraham’s (or actually Sarah’s) slave, Hagar, and his and her child Ismail (Ishmael) were sent away from Abraham’s camp, that the two lived there, and that Abraham frequently visited them later. There is no source of information for this. The OT says they lived in Negev, which is weeks by camel from Mecca - and much, much longer for large flocks of sheep, goats, and cattle (American cowboys driving flocks of cattle to the railway, made 10-12 miles – 16-20 km - a day. The nomads in the Middle East hardly moved any faster - - - if they could find water and food for the animals). In addition to the long time it would take, many animals hardly would survive the long trek through the harsh Arab desert with little food and hardly any water. And there was in addition no reason for him and his family to take such a dangerous and meaningless trip with their animals to a barren and dry valley for a first time. And as he never visited Mecca, he could not have left Hagar and Ismail there (this even more so as the Bible as said mention that Ishmael lived near the border of Egypt and got his wife from Egypt (see below) - - - and science and Islam both have proved with strong empirical and circumstantial proofs that the Bible is not falsified (even Islam has delivered a very strong proof by being unable to find even one clear falsification among all the tens of thousands of relevant old manuscripts) - the easy way out for Muslims when the Bible mentions things they do not like). If Islam wants to insist that he ever visited Mecca, they have to produce strong proofs, as it is extremely unlikely - and “special statements demands special proofs”. It is highly likely this just is a story made up or “borrowed” from f.x. Arab folklore to give the teachings of Muhammad credence and historical "weight".

One more fact: The Bible – a book which Islam insists is correct every time there is some text they like, but which may be the truth other times, too - says (1. Mos. 21/21): “While he (Ishmael*) was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt”. Except for religious Muslims who strongly wishes this to be a reference to Paran or Faran near Mecca, all serious scientists say that this was Paran in or bordering Sinai - - - which also made it easier for his mother (who was from Egypt) to find him a wife from Egypt even - though that made his children ¾ Egyptian and only ¼ descendants of Abraham’s stock already (there is mentioned only one wife for Ishmael in the Bible). Also remember that the old Egyptians were not Arabs, even if modern Egyptians often are called Arabs - where is the pure Arab blood of Ishmael's descendant? (The Ishmaelites has disappeared from history - likely mixed up with other tribes and is no separate tribe any more.)

Further (1. Mos. 25/18): “His (Ishmael’s) descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur”. The border of Egypt means near the Red Sea or north of the Red Sea up to the Gulf of Suez (as mentioned, to the east of the area where the Suez Canal runs today). Just where scientists place Paran - it run from there and towards Elath. (It is a bit ironic that Islam say the Bible has the name correct, (but claim it is meaning Faran in Arabia), but all the rest of the information about place, wife from (neighboring) Egypt, etc. wrong. Though if you go looking, you will find that according to Islam, the Bible never has a mistake and is reliable when what it says fits Islam. Only when it tells things or facts that contradicts Islam, the Bible is falsified (see 2/75 above) - or like here one simply omits the contradicting facts - - - which one safely can do, as hardly any Muslim knows the Bible well enough to see the cherry-picking of information, unless he has higher religious education). And NB: This was written 1000 or more years before Muhammad, and thus with no reason to place Ishmael far from Arabia if it was not the truth.

There also is another fact: The Bible reports on what Abraham built: He built an altar at Shechem (1. Mos. 12/6-7), an altar at Betel (1. Mos. 12/8), and an altar at Mamre, near Hebron (1. Mos. 13/18) - altars simply were a regular heap of natural, not artificially formed stones - - - and that is it. This is all the Bible tells he built (except for Sarah's grave, but that was not a building, but a cave (1. Mos. 23/19)). Then the Quran claims he suddenly built a huge temple (mosque), a big stone building which for one thing is far outside the know-how of a nomad to build, and for another thing is situated far away from all places Abraham ever was (as far as we can find the nearest he ever was Mecca, was Hebron, a good number of miles (multiply with 1.6 to get km) south of Bethlehem and Jerusalem. And not least: The building of this big temple is not at all mentioned in the Bible, even if it had to take a number of years to build it. - Solomon with his enormous resources and his army of highly qualified builders (though no jinns, etc. like the Quran claims) his temple (1. Kings 6/38) - and it was not very big (90 by 30 feet - 27 by 9 m) - a little bigger than the original Kabah (243 sq. m compared to very roughly 200 - 210 sq. m if our sources are correct) - he used 7 years and literally thousands of workers, lots of them highly skilled ones (1. Kings chapters 5 and 6). The Kabah itself today is to be exact 11.03 m x 12.86 m - and 13.1 high (some 36 x 42 x 43 feet). But for one end of the Kabah, but detached from the building there is a semi-circle stone wall, and according to Muslim tradition Abraham's Kabah had roughly the size and form of the present one, if one includes this short prolonging plus the semicircle. We have not found the measures, but comparing drawings it seems like Abraham's claimed Kabah was to the tune of 20 m (some 65 feet) long, or perhaps a little less, and thus approaching Solomon's Temple in area. All built by Abraham and Ishmael - Ishmael standing on Abrahams shoulders when placing the topmost stones on the wall. At least according to Muslims (and a big church in medieval Europe could take up to 30 years). These years of building the Kabah is not in any way mentioned in the Bible - neither the building, nor the years it took, nor when it was done. Actually the time and resources it took is not at all mentioned in the Quran - it just is indicated (though not directly said) that the Kabah was built during one or a few short visits to Mecca, and nothing about the skill and resources needed and not to mention time it takes for building a big temple/mosque. No comments - and none necessary. Muslims as said like to indicate Abraham and Ishmael together built the Kabah in one or a few of Abraham's short claimed stays in Mecca. And so big that when the rich city Mecca rebuilt it sometime before Muhammad started his mission, they rebuilt it smaller than the original foundations (see the measurements above), according to Islamic literature! 

Believe it if you are able to.

Besides:To go all the way to Mecca as mentioned was too forbidding for a man with large flocks of animal – and there never was a reason to go there for Abraham a first time. On the contrary: Little food for his animals, no water in Mecca before the Zam Zam was found later (?) – and Ishmael living “near the border of Egypt”. He never was in Mecca and consequently never built the Kabah – the big temple that he anyhow did not have the know-how - or time - to build, and worse; could not use, because he lived the better part of 1000 km away (this even more so as he could not travel "as the crow flees", but had to go as the cow grazes). And one he did not need as it was far too big for his small family - 2 sons included Ishmael (he got some more according to the Bible (1. Mos. 25/2), but late in life), one wife and some workers. This claim, too, is a clear contradiction to the Bible.

Also remember that science clearly says: "It is practically sure that Abraham never visited Mecca", and (A. Guillaume, "Islam" p. 61:) "There is no historical evidence for the assertion that Abraham or Ishmael was ever in Mecca, and if there had been such a tradition, it would have to be explained how all memory of the old Semitic name Ishmael (which was known in its true Arabian form in Arabian inscriptions and correctly written with an initial consonant Y (= Yshmael*) came to be lost. The form in the Quran (Ishmael*) is taken either from Greek or Syriac sources". In other words he says that it is very unlikely Abraham or Ishmael ever visited Mecca, and if Ishmael all the same settled there, his name would have been made Arabic within days or a few years - why then is the name taken from Greek or Syriac = Christian books? (Christians in this area used Greek or Syriac for their holy scriptures, Jews mainly Hebrew or Aramaic).

The claim that Abraham built the Kabah, the scientists sometimes do not even bother to comment on.

And: The ones writing OT some 9oo-1400 or may be a bit more before Muhammad started his preaching - even if they had falsified the scriptures, they had no reason to falsify Abraham out of Arabia as Muhammad and his religion was unknown to them. And: Abraham as said had his pastures in the west - neighboring the Mediterranean See roughly - whereas Lot had chosen the eastern area (1. Mos. 13/11-12) - i.e. according to the agreement between them Lot's pastures were around and south of the Dead Sea towards Acaba, whereas Abraham grazed his cattle in the western parts of Canaan and later in Negev, both nearer the Mediterranean Sea as also mentioned. Which means that to visit Mecca, Abraham had to move all his cattle from the Mediterranean region and all the way through Lot's area down to Acaba, and then through the forbidding desert to Mecca - a place in or near the Faran Wilderness, a wilderness which Muslims now have renamed Paran (Muslim sources on Internet admits that the real Arab name was Faran - but you f.x. meet Muslims claiming that Faran just is the Arab name, and that it is named Paran by others - - - a well chosen "explanation" as Muslims saw the name Paran in the Bible, and said: This sounds very like Faran - it must mean Faran. And then they started to tell that Paran, yes, that was in Arabia near Mecca! And foreigners not knowing the real name, used - and uses - the new Arab name Paran as they did not and do not know it is wrong - very few non-Arabs know that the correct name of that wilderness is Faran). Just take a look at the pictures from Faran/Paran, Arabia (they today use only the name Paran to be able to claim that Ishmael was there according to the Bible) and see how tempting this area was for a nomad with lots and lots of animals - Abraham was very rich. No rich nomad in his right mind would even think of moving hundreds and hundreds of miles - and more in kilometers - from good pastures in the west to a far off dry desert - Mecca did not even have a well, because this according to the Quran was before the Zam Zam well was found.

The scientists are right: Abraham never was in Mecca - and they also is right in that to comment on the claim that he built the Kabah is not even worth to bother about.

Also see 2/191c, 3/97b, and 48/27d below and not least 22/26a below. And see 2/125e in http://www.1000mistakes.com.

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a above and 2/128a, 3/97b, 22/78c and 14/37b below, and our comments to 1. Mos. 12/10.

As for Paran: As Muslims are so eager to reshape the geography here, we may add and specify: Because the name is rather similar to Faran (renamed to Paran, but according to our sources originally named Faran) near Mecca, and because the Bible tells Ishmael lived for a long time in Paran, Muslims want Paran to mean Faran near Mecca, so as to "document" that Ishmael lived in Mecca. But Paran is mentioned at least these places in the Bible: 1. Mos. 21/21, 4. Mos. 10/12, 4. Mos. 12/16, 4. Mos. 13/3, 4. Mos. 13/26, 5. Mos. 1/1, 1. Sam.25/1, 1. Kings 11/18, and there is no doubt from the different contexts that the Bible's Paran is in Sinai, and that there is not the slightest connection to the distant Arabia. It as mentioned is identical to what now is named Badiet et-Tin ("the Desert of Loneliness"), and lay south and east of the desert Shur, and south of the desert Sin (r Zin) in the inner parts of the Sinai Peninsula.

290 2/127b: "- - - (- - - prayer) - - -". See 2/3b above or 4/77a below.

291 2/127c: "- - - Thou (indicated Allah*) are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural good or bad. As for "knowing" see 22/3b below.

292 2/128a: "Our Lord (Allah*)! Make of us (Abraham and Ishmael*) Muslims - - -". This definitely is not from the Bible or in any way in accordance with the Bible. And as the Quran with all its mistakes is not from a god, which means Muhammad cannot have got the information that way: From where did he get this information? - and the same for much of his other "information". (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat quite often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are invalid as they are built on not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explain away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "A claim without a proof can be dismissed without a proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. The "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or something else central in his religion.)

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

293 2/128b: "- - - the celebration of (due) rites - - -". A black irony here is that most of the rites in Islam are "borrowed" from the old Arab pagan religion - f.x. nearly all rites connected to Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca).

294 2/128c: "- - - Thou (Allah*) art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina; omit the cheap, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, behavior, etc. - skip the big glorifying words and judge from the reality (reality is much more reliable than big and cheap words). How much of real mercy, etc. do you find?

An afterthought: Also read NT and compare: Who is most merciful and most forgiving, etc. of Yahweh and Allah if both books tell the truth about their respective gods on this point - especially if you compare to NT and its New Covenant to the surahs from Medina?

295 2/129a: "Send among them (the Arabs*) a Messenger (Muhammad*) of their own - - -". A "foretelling" about Muhammad told by Muhammad! Very informative and reliable!. (It is not from the Bible - in spite of Islam's claims there is no mentioning neither of Muhammad nor of the Quran anywhere in the Bible. Muslims claim they find at least Muhammad - they have to as the Quran says he is there - but only after cherry-picking of words, wrong logic, and twisting of texts.)

It happened Jesus referred to foretelling in OT, but he never made new ones pretending they were from the old.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

296 2/129b: "- - - Thy (Allah's*) Signs - - -". There never was a sign, not to mention a proof, provably made by Allah. Not one.

297 2/129c: "- - - Thou (Allah*) art the Exalted in Might - - -". According to the Bible only Yahweh is exalted in might.

298 2/129d: "- - - Scripture (the Quran*) and Wisdom - - -". There is not much reliable wisdom in a book with perhaps 3ooo+ mistakes, etc. and even a few(?) lies.

299 2/129e: "- - - Thou (Allah*) art the - - - Wise". Not if he made the Quran.

300 2/130a: "And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly?" Well, if the Bible is right about the god of Abraham, Islam and all its followers have done so. If then this quote is correct, it tells something about both Islam and its Muslims.

301 2/130b: "- - - the religion of Abraham - - -". Muhammad claimed his new religion really was the religion of Abraham. For one thing the Bible does not agree, and for another Muhammad as always had no documentation for his claim - all he had was just that; loose claims in a most unreliable book.

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

302 2/130c: "- - - such as debase their souls with folly - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative and slandering names for non-Muslims.

303 2/130d: "Him We (Allah*) rendered pure in this world - - -". Abraham married his half-sister (1. Mos. 20/12) - a great sin in Islam. He in Egypt accepted (reluctantly) that his wife was abducted to a harem - and received good payment for it (1. Mos. 12/15-16) - great sins also in Islam. And the same happened later in Gerar in Negev (1. Mos. 20/2) - more great sins also in Islam. And this is the second most central prophet in all Islam and in the Quran. A pure man? - Allah and Islam are not too strict when they choose their pure even top prophets.

304 2/130e: "- - - Righteous". See 2/21b above.

305 2/131a: "I (Abraham*) bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe". Also these words are not from the Bible. All the same Abraham according to that book did so - but to Yahweh, not to Allah.

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

###306 2/131b: "- - - the Universe". This is an ugly and dirty one: In the original Arab text it is said "the worlds", but Yusuf Ali has "upgraded" the text a little to make the Quran sound more scientifically correct. A small al-Taqiyya - lawful lie. (Islam is the only of the big religions with such rules for accepting dishonesty - worse: When it comes to promoting or defending the religion, Islam indicates that these kinds of dishonesty not only can but ought to be used "if necessary".) We may add that the word "universe" in the modern meaning of the word, did not exist in the Arab language at the time of Muhammad. 

"If you have to make up credence for something, it means it has no credence, and also that you destroy what little credence both you and it after all may have had before".

A new demonstration of the fact that honesty is not a must in Islam, and that even a man like Abdullah Yusuf Ali - likely the best translation ever of the Quran to English - is not always honest. Compare it to Jesus' and NT's demand for absolute honesty.

##It often is in the details you find the real truth, and details like this tell a lot about Islam.

307 2/132: "O my (Abraham's/Jacob's*) sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith (Islam*) for you, then die not except in the Faith of Islam". Unnecessary to tell that this - and more (we do not comment on all the points obviously wrong compared to the Bible) - is not from the Bible.

308 2/133a: A parallel to 2/132 just above.

309 2/133b: "- - - thy (Jacob's*) (for-)fathers - Abraham. Ishmael and Isaac - - -". Ishmael were not among Jacob's forefathers - he was his half-uncle.

310 2/133b: "- - - (Allah is*) the One (True) God (Allah*) - - -". For anyone really knowing the Quran, its background, and the fact that no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran, this is quite a joke - a black one.

311 2/133c: "- - - (True) - - -". See 2/26 above.

312 2/135a: "- - - the religion of Abraham - - -". Muhammad claimed his new religion really was the religion of Abraham. For one thing the Bible does not agree, and for another Muhammad as always had no documentation for his claim - all he had was just that; loose claims.

###313 2/135b: "- - - the Religion of Abraham the True - - -". If we go by the Bible, Islam was not the religion of Abraham - his god was Yahweh, not Allah, and his religion f.x. not one of aggression. If we go by the Quran, Islam in addition is not a true religion, because the Quran is not from any god - no omniscient god ever delivered a book as full of errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like the Quran. 

There is quite an irony in the fact that if the Bible tells the truth, it is the religion of Abraham, whereas the Quran is so full of errors and worse - even a few(?) lies - that its claim for being the religion of Abraham is totally unreliable.

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

314 2/135c: "- - - joined gods with Allah". See 2/22b above.

315 2/136a: "- - - the revelation given to us (Muslims via Muhammad*) - - -". But was it revelations? - in case from whom, as no god ever was involved in a teaching of a quality like the Muhammad's? (3 possible alternatives: 1): The dark forces. 2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). 3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's.)

Also see 45/13a below.

316 2/136b: "- - - the revelation given to us (Muslims via Muhammad*) and to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the (Jewish*) Tribes (via prophets*) - - - Moses and Jesus - - - (all) the Prophets - - -". According to the Bible Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and the Prophets included Jesus received messages, but from Yahweh, not from Allah. And their messages to a large extent were from different to very different to extremely different from the messages Muhammad claimed he got from a very different god, the god of suppression, dishonesty (lies and stealing/looting), and war Allah. As for Ishmael, there is nowhere in the Bible mentioned he received any messages from any god.

317 2/136c: "- - - we (Muslims*) make no difference between one and another of them (the prophets) - - -". Wrong. For Muslims there is a long distance between the saint and demy-god Muhammad and all the other real or made up prophets.

318 2/137a: "So if they (Jews and Christians*) believe as ye (Muslims*) believe, they are indeed on the right path - - -". According to the Bible, and especially to NT they then would be on a very wrong path, far from Yahweh's religion. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "A claim without a proof can be dismissed without a proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. The "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or something else central in his religion.)

319 2/137b: "- - - He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing". Not if he made the Quran.

320 2/138: "(Our (Muslims'*) religion is) the Baptism of Allah, and who can baptize better than Allah?" This is a strange one, as Islam does not use baptism - this actually is one of the many clear indications for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god; among other things their rituals are too different.

#321 2/139: "- - - He (Allah*) is our (Muslims'*) Lord and your (Jews' and Christians') Lord - - -". This that Yahweh and Allah was the same god, is one of Muhammad's strong dogmas - as normal just claims, and based on air. The rationale behind the claim was: "The Jews and the Christians have one god who is the only existing god. I - Muhammad - have the only existing god in the world. This means it must be the same god!" That is the simple and invalid logic - resulting in wrong conclusions - behind the story. In addition it may have counted that there already long before Muhammad were ideas in Arabia that al-Lah (pagan Arab main god later renamed to Allah (actually the name was used some before Muhammad) and taken over by Muhammad) was the same god as Yahweh, but just known by another name. And not least may it have counted that by high-jacking Yahweh, Muhammad gained weight and history and tradition for his young religion.

Also note Muhammad's way of talking: He pretends that Allah is a proved and accepted fact, and talks accordingly. Naive souls without too much brain often overlook facts and fall into such traps.

322 2/140a: "- - - do ye (people*) say that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes (descendants of Jacob, also named Israel*) were Jews and Christians?" A rhetoric question with the "logical" and expected answer "no", as none of those two words existed at that time. But according to the Bible they clearly were believers in Yahweh, not in Allah - this may even go for Ishmael. And in that meaning they at least were Jews. (A definition for a Jew is "one who believes in the Mosaic (Jewish*) religion".)

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

323 2/140b: "Do ye (non-Muslims*) know better than Allah?" Easily "yes" if Allah does not exist.

324 2/140c: "Who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah?" The underlying meaning is that Jews and Christians had falsified the Bible (a claim proved wrong by both modern science and by Islam with strong empirical and circumstantial proofs, by not finding a single proved falsification among all the tens of thousands of relevant manuscripts and fragments). You will find this claim several places in the Quran - always without any proof or documentation. Muhammad preached a religion he believed or at least claimed was the same as the Jewish and Christian. But he did not know the Bible, and took "Biblical" stories from the normal storytellers, etc., and when he finally found out they were wrong compared to the Bible, this claim was his only option if he wanted to save his religion and his platform of power. Also see 2/75 above.

And "what is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or something else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

325 2/140d: "But Allah is not unmindful of what ye (non-Muslims*) do". He is if he does not exist, and unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black, he counts little.

326 2/142a: "- - - to Allah belong both East and West - - -". Not unless he exists and is a main god.

327 2/142b: "- - - He (Allah*) guideth - - -". Allah can guide no-one unless he exists, and in no case he is a reliable guide if he guides via the Quran.

328 2/142c: "- - - a Way that is straight". Is it symptomatic that the Quran and Muhammad talk about "the straight Way", "the even Path", "the straight Path", etc. - the easy road - to the Paradise, whereas Jesus talked about "the narrow road" - the difficult one? Populism contra realism?

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

329 2/143a: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

330 2/143b: "- - - test - - -". Why, why, and why: Why does an omniscient god, and a god who on top of all predestines everything according to several statements in the Quran, and thus knows all test result on beforehand - why does such a god need to test people?!

331 2/143c: "- - - guided by Allah". See 2/142a above.

332 2/143d: "And never would Allah make your (Muslim's*) faith of no effect". Allah can do nothing either way unless he exists and is something supernatural, god of bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

333 2/143e: "For Allah is to all people most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful". A parallel to 2/128b above.

334 2/144a: "- - - the Sacred Mosque (Kabah in Mecca*) - - -". To Allah Mecca and Kabah are the most sacred and holy place on Earth. Yahweh is totally indifferent and uninterested in the place - so uninterested that neither he nor Jesus even mentions the place anywhere in the entire Bible - and so totally without any religious value, that none of the Biblical prophets, included Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, ever even expressed as much as a wish about visiting it. A 200% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been they had had a somewhat similar interest in the place.

335 2/144b: "The people of the Book (Jews and Christians mainly*) know well that that (the qiblah - what direction to face when praying*) is from their Lord". Wrong. Yahweh has never specified that facing one way is better than another when praying - the main thing is to pray and the direction has no consequence. (There were and are some traditions, but none of them are specified in the Bible). This is one of the many indications for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

336 2/144c: "Nor is Allah unmindful of what they (Jews, Christians, Sabeans*) do". If he does not exist, he is very unmindful".

337 2/145a: "- - - the Signs (of Allah*) - - -". See 4/140b and 36/33 below.

338 2/145b: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 22/3a below - an interesting one.

339 2/145c: "- - - then (if you follow Yahweh*) wert thou (Muslim*) indeed (clearly) in the wrong". The Bible disagrees.

340 2/146a: "The People of the Book (mainly Jews and Christians*) know well that that (the direction of the qiblah - where to face when praying*) is the truth from their Lord". As the Bible never gave a qiblah, this claim is nonsense. What is more: A qiblah had so little value for Yahweh that he never gave one. If the Quran is right that Allah paid much heed to the direction you faced when praying - the qiblah - this is one more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

341 2/146b: "- - - but some of them conceal the truth which they themselves know". Again Muhammad's never proved claim that the Bible was falsified, and that (here) the Israelites knew about it and knew that the Quran was the original of the Bible before they falsified it. These claims are thoroughly proved wrong both by science and - against their intention - by Islam, as none of them has been able to find even one proved falsification, or produce believable explanations for how it was technically and psychologically possible to make the falsifications.

342 2/146c: "- - - the truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

343 2/147a: "The Truth (here Muhammad's teaching*) is from your (Jews'/Christians'*) Lord - - -". Again the claim that Yahweh and Allah is the same god - the Quran/Muhammad's teaching is here claimed to come from the god of the Jews/Christians. You do not have to read much of the Bible - especially NT - before you see the fundamental moral, ideas, and thinking, etc. are so different from the Quran, that it simply is not true that both books are from same god. Simply a wrong claim - and as always from Muhammad not documented.

344 2/147b: "- - - Truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

345 2/148a: "To each (person*) is a goal to which Allah turns him - - -". Impossible unless Allah exists and has the power to do so.

346 2/148b: "- - - Allah will bring you (people*) together". See 2/148a just above.

347 2/148c: "- - - Allah hath power over all things". According to the Bible Yahweh has the power over all things. Both cannot be true. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Stratagem to avoid or circumvent legal principles or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choices, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campaigned of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguise. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

348 2/149a: "- - - the Sacred Mosque - - -". = Kabah in Mecca - the most holy building in the most holy city in the world according to the Quran and to Islam. Yahweh (and Jesus*) on the other hand is so little interested in both of them, that they are not even mentioned in the Bible - he only mentions Jerusalem in such connections. And as clear a message: Not one of the Biblical prophets, included Abraham, Moses Jesus, ever even uttered a word about wanting to visit the according to Allah/Muhammad most holy place on Earth - not even for a Hajj/pilgrimage (pilgrimage really is not part of the Bible). If Yahweh and Allah had been the same god, their evaluation of which places as holy and most holy had been similar or identical - one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 2/191c and 48/27d below and not least 22/26a below. And see 2/125e in http://www.1000mistakes.com.

349 2/149b: "- - - that is indeed the truth from thy (Muhammad's/Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". Not unless Allah exists and is a god, and not unless this by coincidence should be a truth among all the errors in the Quran.

350 2/149c: "- - - the truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

351 2/149d: "For Allah is not unmindful of what ye (the Jews of Medina*) do". If he did not exist and/or was no god, he did not mind them at all.

352 2/150a: "- - - the Sacred Mosque - - -". See 2/149a above.

353 2/150b: "- - - that there be no ground of dispute against you among people, except those of them that are bent on wickedness - - -". If you dispute against Muhammad and his Quran - f.x. believing in the Bible - you are bent on wickedness. No comment necessary.

354 2/150c: "- - - wickedness - - -". See 2/21b above.

355 2/150d: "- - - fear Me (Allah*) - - -". What for if he does not exist and/or is not a god?

3656 2/150e: "- - - guided - - -". No-one is reliably guided by a book of a quality like the Quran.

357 2/151a: "- - - (favor - - -) - - -". Is a self proclaimed prophet for a suppression, apartheid, and war religion based on a book too full of errors to be from any god, a favor? - except perhaps to the ones permitted to use dishonesty, steal/loot, suppress, rape, take slaves, and gain power?

358 2/151b: "- - - We (Allah*) have sent among you (the Arabs*) a Messenger - - -". No god ever used a representative telling so much wrong facts, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. like Muhammad did. And no good and benevolent god ever used as his representative a brutal and bloody robber baron like Muhammad - - - and no god of "a religion of the truth" could use one who accepted the use of and himself used lies - even a few(?) in the Quran - deceit, and even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a). Compare Jesus with Muhammad in the Quran - and especially the robber baron in the surahs from Medina - and weep.

359 2/151c: "- - - a Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

360 2/151d: "- - - Signs - - -". See 2/39 and 2/99a above, and 4/140b below.

361 2/151e: "- - - (Muhammad will instruct you (people*) in Scripture and Wisdom - - -". Please compare the Bible and the Quran - in the "Biblical" stories in the Quran, how much scripture and how much fantasy(?) do you find? And how much in the Quran is mistakes, how much is other worthless or wrong or of negative value texts, and how much is wisdom?

362 2/151f: "- - - Knowledge - - -". Beware that Islam divided knowledge in two: "Islamic knowledge" = knowledge about or relevant to the religion of Islam, and "foreign knowledge" = all other knowledge and science and philosophy/thinking. For many and long centuries only "Islamic knowledge" was accepted, and "foreign knowledge" was strongly discredited, opposed, and at times and places even punishable (a main reason why the Muslim area fell behind when modern times started). From ca. 1095 AD (some 100 years later in the far west) there came not one new idea or thought which benefitted humanity, from the entire Islamic world - not until well into the 1900s. Also see 22/3b below.

363 2/152a: "- - - I (Allah*) will remember you (Muslims*)". Allah can remember exactly nobody unless he at least exists.

364 2/152b: "Be grateful to Me (Allah*) - - -". What for? There never was a proof for that Allah had done anything, for that he has power to do anything - not even for that he exists. Not once in all the tens of thousands of years of the history of Homo Sapiens (perhaps some 200ooo years). Lots and lots of claims, but never a proved case. According to the old books Yahweh and Jesus at least proved something of what they said, but Allah and Muhammad never anything - just words and claims, the hallmark of the cheat and the deceiver.

We may add that the first humans - Homo Habilis - are some 2.5 million years old, and our first clear forefathers - the first humanoids - are some 6 million years old. The archeologists never found any indication for a god like Allah, a book like the Quran, a religion like Islam, or "messengers" from such a religion or such a god - not to mention deeds done by such a god. Did Allah let all these humanoids and humans end in Hell by not informing them about Islam? Or if he accepted them to his Paradise in spite of their sins and lack of belief in Allah, because they had not been told about the god (no "messengers?), why then - if he was/is a good and benevolent god - did he start telling humans about himself and thus judging everyone who did not believe in the stories about him, to Hell? And why not even one valid proof for his existence, so that skeptics could come to belief? Not a good and benevolent god at least.

#365 2/152c: "- - - reject not Faith (Islam*)". According to the Bible - and as the Quran by means of all its mistakes, etc. proves Islam is not from a god, also according to the Quran - it may be a good idea to reject it.

366 2/152d: "- - - Faith - - -". Only Islam is faith in the Quran. Belief in the teachings from the Bible f.x. is not faith, but unfaith, as it is belief in a claimed falsified book and thus falsified religion - this even though both science and Islam strongly have proved with strong empirical and circumstantial proofs that the Bible is not falsified by being unable to find a single proved falsification in the tens of thousands of relevant manuscripts or fragments, or to explain how a co-ordinated falsification of all the manuscripts all over the world in times with primitive communication and in such clever ways that modern science is unable to find any traces of f.x. scratching, different handwriting, or different ink on the claimed falsified places, could be possible. And also without anyone discovered the enormous operation - needing thousands of implicated - and without anybody saw the difference between the old, real texts and the new falsified ones and screamed.

367 2/153a: "Seek help (from Allah*) - - -". No use unless Allah exists and is a god.

368 2/153b: "- - - Prayer - - -". See 2/3b above.

369 2/154: "And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah: 'They are dead'. Nay, they are living, though you perceive (it) not". Islam is a war religion and need statements like this - partly to make warriors less afraid, and partly to comfort the families and friends of the ones killed in raids and battles are good for the moral of the followers.

But it is very thought provoking that this claim is not true if there is no god behind the Quran - and at least the book itself with all its errors, contradiction, etc. has no connection to a god.

Not to mention that Islam is so far from the teachings in the Bible, so that if the Bible tells the truth, these dead ones really are dead for the god.

Also see 45/13a below.

370 2/155a: "- - - test - - -"Why does an omniscient god, and a god who on top of all predestines everything according to several statements in the Quran, and thus knows all test result on beforehand - why does such a god need to test people?!

371 2/155b: "- - - glad tidings - - -". Is a religion preaching suppression, discrimination, hate, war, etc. a glad tiding? - except perhaps for those permitted to steal, rape, suppress, and take slaves, grab power, etc.?

372 2/156: "To Allah we (people*) belong and to Him is our return". Contradicted by the Bible, which says Yahweh is the only god. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat more often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explain away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "A claim without a proof can be dismissed without a proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or something else central in his religion.)

373 2/157a: "- - - blessings from Allah, and Mercy - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists and of little consequence unless he in addition is something supernatural, white or black - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. (The only place Allah ever has manifested himself is in the mouth of Muhammad.)

274 2/157b: "- - - to Him (Allah*) is our (people's*) return (at the Day of Doom*) - - -". According to the Bible that return is to Yahweh, not to Allah.

275 2/157c: "- - - guidance - - -". Not even a god is a reliable guide if he relies on a book of a quality like the Quran.

376 2/158a: "Safa and Marwah (2 small heights in Mecca*) are symbols of Allah". If Yahweh and Allah had been the same god, also he had reckoned them as symbols, but none of them is mentioned in the Bible, neither by Yahweh, Jesus, or by anybody else.

377 2/158b: "- - - the House (Kabah mosque in Mecca*) - - -". See 2/49a above.

378 2/158c: "- - - Be sure Allah is He Who recogniseth and knoweth". Not unless he exists and in addition is something supernatural, white of black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

379 2/159a: "- - - clear (Signs) - - -". See 2/39 and 2/99a above, and 4/140b and 36/33 below.

380 2/159b: "- - - Guidance - - -". There is little guidance in a "holy" book full of errors, contradictions, etc., and with no god behind it.

Also see 45/13a below.

381 2/159c: "- - - on them (Jews, Christians, Sabeans not wanting to become Muslims*) shall be Allah's curse - - -". One more very negative statement from Muhammad about some non-Muslims. Do you think it strange that Muslims do not want to mix too freely with people cursed by a god? But luckily there is no curse unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved - on the contrary to be true. Also compare to Jesus: "Love your enemies (Matt. 5/44), etc. Not the same god, not the same religion - and far from similar representatives.

382 2/160a: "- - - (the Truth) - - -". See 2/21b above.

383 2/160b: "- - - on them (Muslims*) I (Allah*) turn - - -". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad.

384 2/160c: "- - - I (Allah*) am Oft-Returning, Most Merciful". The Quran tells Allah has 99 names, and these are 2 of them. The names generally are descriptions in superlative - Most Kind, Most Merciful, Most High, Most Kind, Most Gracious, etc., but also names like f.x. Oft-Forgiving, etc.

Please read the surahs from Medina - omit the easy, glorifying words and judge from his acts, demands, introduced moral and judicial rules, etc. How many of the names does he really deserve?

Besides: Please read the surahs from Medina once more - and once more skip the big glorifying words and judge from the reality like deeds, demands, introduced codes of moral and behavior, etc. (reality is much more reliable than big and cheap words). How much of f.x. real mercy, etc. do you find?

An afterthought: Also read NT and compare: Who is most merciful and most forgiving, etc. of Yahweh and Allah if both books tell the truth on this point - especially if you compare the surahs from Medina - which according to Islam's rules for abrogation are the "weightiest" ones - to NT and its New Covenant?

385 2/161a: "- - - Faith - - -". See 2/152c above.

386 2/161b: "- - - Allah's curse - - -". Allah cannot curse anybody unless he exists and in addition has the power, white or black, to do so. According to the old books, included the Quran, both the old Jewish and Christian god Yahweh and Jesus proved their existence and power, but Allah never proved anything, and Muhammad only his own military and oratory power.

387 2/162: "They (non-Muslims*) will abide therein (in Allah's curse*) - - -". According to the Bible followers of Yahweh are safe from among other things curses from other gods than Yahweh (because the Bible says there are no other gods than Yahweh).

#388 2/163a: "And your (peoples'*) God is One God: there is no god but He - - -". Well, the Bible says the same. But if true, which god? Yahweh or Allah? In spite of Muhammad's claims they are too different, and too fundamentally different, to be the same god (unless the god is deeply schizophrenic).

Also see 16/78 and 45/13a below.

389 2/163b: "- - - (Allah is*) Most Gracious, Most Merciful". A parallel to 2/160c above.

390 2/164a: A list of natural and one man-made phenomenon, claimed to be signs for Allah. But any wise person knows they are not signs (quran-speak for "proof") for Allah until:

1): It is proved - proved, not claimed - the phenomena is made/caused by a god, and not f.x. by nature.

It in addition is proved - proved, not claimed - that this god is Allah, and not f.x. Yahweh.

Not only all wise persons know this, but also any god. Then who made the Quran?

391 2/164b: "- - - the life which He (Allah*) gives - - -". According to the Bible it is Yahweh who gives life - - - and according to science it is nature.

392 2/164c: "- - - Signs - - -". See 2/39 and 2/99a above, and 4/140b below. In all this long verse Muhammad does not present one proof, only a long list of not proved claims.

393 2/164d: "- - - people that are wise". See 2/118a+b above.

394 2/165a: "- - - others (other gods*) besides Allah - - -". See 2/22e above.

395 2/165b: "- - - Faith - - -". See 2/152c above.

396 2/165c: "- - - unrighteous - - -". One of Muhammad's many slandering names for non-Muslims. Also see 2/21b above.

397 2/165d: "- - - to Allah belongs all power - - -". The Bible disagrees and says it belongs to Yahweh. Both cannot be right.

398 2/165e: "- - - Allah will strongly enforce the Penalty". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad.

399 2/166-167a: Both those who followed and those who were followed would be in the clear if they were followers of Yahweh, according to the Bible. Followers of Allah might be worse off according to that book (and also according to the Quran, as the Quran itself by means of all its errors proves there is no god behind it).

400 2/167b: "Thus Allah will show them (non-Muslims*) - - -". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black.

#401 2/168: "- - - do not follow the footsteps of Satan, for he is to you (people*) an avowed enemy". Satan is an interesting "person" in the Quran, because he is one of the 3 possible makers of the Quran - and lots of points in the Quran fits a satan better than they fit a god - at least a claimed good and benevolent god. The other two possibilities are a mental illness - modern medical science suspects TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) which may give just the kinds of fits and of religious illusions Muhammad is said to have had. And finally there is the alternative of a cold human brain - f.x. Muhammad's. The fact that nearly everything in the book is from and around Arabia + all the errors which are in accordance with what one believed was correct science, etc. in Arabia at the time of Muhammad may indicate this. The same does all the times Allah(?) helped Muhammad solving personal, etc. problems.

Muhammad's claim - that the Quran is from a god - is out of the question. No god - and definitely not an omniscient one - ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran. Only the "wrapping paper" - the Arab linguistics - is of good quality. And no good and benevolent god would engage in such a harsh and partly immoral war religion, led by a harsh and bloody warlord, like described in the Quran. It is heresy and an insult and slander towards any god to blame such a book on him.

402 2/169a: "For he (Satan*) commands you (people*) what is evil and shameful - - -". How can Satan command anything at all, if the Quran tells the truth when it several places states that Allah decides and predestine every single detail of what happens in the world? Oh, we know Muhammad claimed man also has free will, but to combine 100% predestination with even a miniscule part of free will for man, is impossible even for an omniscient, omnipotent god. This claim simply is not true. Also see 2/168 just above.

But a really interesting point here is the mentioning of Satan: One of the theories for who made the Quran, is that it is made just by him - as it is clear that the Quran with all its errors, etc. is not from any god, there only are tree possible makers left: One or more humans (likely Muhammad himself in case), a mental illness like TLE, or dark forces. F.x. some of the moral rules in the Quran may indicate the latter.

All the deeds which the Quran recommends or even orders and demands, but which according to normal ethical and moral codes (f.x. Jesus: "Do to others like you want others do to you") are evil and shameful, are they indications - or even proofs? - for that the Quran is from the dark forces?

403 2/169b: "- - - evil and shameful - - -". See 2/21b above.

404 2/169c: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 22/3a below.

405 2/170a: "Follow what Allah hath revealed (the Quran*) - - -". No god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran.

406 2/170b: "- - - revealed (the Quran*) - - -". But was the Quran really revealed? - in case from whom, as no god ever was involved in a teaching of a quality like the Muhammad's? (3 possible alternatives):

1): The dark forces. (A number of immoral and inhuman points in the Quran may indicate this.)

2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Modern medical science suspects this.

3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's. All the mistakes in the Quran believed to be correct science at the time of Muhammad, plus f.x. the fact that all material in the book is from Arabia and neighboring area strongly indicates this - perhaps combined with alternative 2.

Also see 45/13a below.

407 2/170c: "We (non-Muslims*) shall follow the ways of our fathers". Which is exactly what also the Muslims do.

408 2/170d: "- - - their (non-Muslims'*) fathers were void of wisdom and guidance?" Everything before Islam is void of wisdom and guidance according to Islam - the period even officially is named "the Time of Ignorance", even though f.x. Greece and Persia had a lot higher level of knowledge than the old Arabs. This claimed ignorance includes knowledge from the Bible, as that book is claimed falsified (proved wrong - 2/75 above) and differs from the Quran.

##409 2/170e: "- - - wisdom and guidance - - -". There is little wisdom and little reliable guidance in a book overflowing of errors, mistaken facts, invalid logic, contradictions, unclear language/explanations, etc. + even a few(?) lies, like in the Quran. (To quote Theodor Nöldeke - one of the foremost experts on the Quran and Islam ever -from memory: "The high quality of the Quran is a theological dogma, not a reality".)

410 2/171: "The parable of those who reject Faith (Islam*) is as if one were to shout like a goat-heard, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries: deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom". As the Quran and all its mistakes are not from any god, and Allah thus is extremely unlikely to exist, not to mention to be like described in the Quran if he all the same exists: Is this the situation for Muslims? Also see 2/170d+e above.

411 2/172a: "Eat of the good things We(Allah*) have provided - - -". According to the Bible it is provided by Yahweh - and according to science it is provided by nature, helped by the farmer, etc.

412 2/172b: "- - - be grateful to Allah - - -". What for if he does not exist? He also never provably has done anything to be grateful for or provably demonstrated any kind of power - not even his very existence.

413 2/173a: "He (Allah*) hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine". This after Jesus had proclaimed all food clean (Mark 7/18-19). One more strong indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not belonging to the same religion (not to mention the same line of prophets).

414 2/173b: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". A parallel to 2/160c above.

415 2/174a: "Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book, and purchase them for a miserable profit - - -". We are back to Muhammad's explanation for why the Bible says other things than Muhammad said it says: The claimed falsification of the Bible. (The real reason was that Muhammad did not know the Bible and instead took Biblical tales from folklore, legends, apocryphal (made up religious stories) tales, and even from fairy tales - f.x. the wise man Luqman in the Quran is "borrowed" from old Arab fairy tales - believing they really were from the Bible. When he later was told that this and this was different from in the Bible, his only possible way to explain his mistakes away and save his religion and platform of power, was to claim that the Bible was falsified, and that he was right. Both science and Islam itself later have proved beyond both reasonable and unreasonable doubt with strong empirical and circumstantial proofs that the Bible is not falsified - some mistakes, but no falsifications.) Also see 2/75a above.

416 2/174b: "- - - revelations - - -". But was it revelations? - in case from whom, as no god ever was involved in a teaching of a quality like Muhammad's? (3 possible alternatives: 1): The dark forces. 2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). 3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's.)

Also see 45/13a below.

417 2/174c: "- - - Allah will neither address them (non-Muslims*) on the Day of Resurrection - - -". According to the Bible for the good reason that the one addressing people that day will be Yahweh, not Allah.

418 2/175a: "They (Jews and Christians*) are the ones who buy Error in place of Guidance and Torment in place of Forgiveness". According to the Bible it is the exact opposite which is the case - and according to all normal rules for evaluating the value of information, it is more likely the Bible tells the truth than the Quran. (Many will claim the Bible, too, is unreliable, but there is no doubt that according to all normal rules for evaluation of the reliability of f.x. historical information, the Bible is likely to be more reliable than the Quran, with some obvious exceptions where both clearly are wrong.)

419 2/175b: "- - - Error - - -". See 2/21b above.

420 2/175c: "- - - Guidance - - -". There is little guidance in a "holy" book full of errors, contradictions, etc., and with no god behind it.

Also see 45/13a below.

421 2/175d: "- - - Forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

422 2/175e: "- - - the Fire (Hell) - - -". According to the Bible - indirectly but very clear - the ones dismissing the Quran are safe from Hell, if they instead follow Yahweh.

423 2/176a: "(Their (Jews/Christians*) doom is) because Allah sent down the Book (here the Quran*) in truth - - -". And as it is clear the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc. is not from any god at all, that means they are not doomed - at least not for the reason this verse claims.

###424 2/176b: "- - - Allah sent down the Book (here the Quran*) - - -". If Allah is omniscient, he did not send down a book of a quality like the Quran. If he sent down the Quran, he is far from omniscient.

#####As for the literature quality of the Quran: To quote Theodor Nöldeke - one of the foremost experts on the Quran and on Islam ever - exactly (from his "The Quran"): 

"To begin with what we are most competent to criticize, let us look at some of the more extended narratives. It has already been noticed how vehement and abrupt they are when they ought to be characterized by epic repose. Indispensable links, both in expression and in sequence of events, are often omitted, so that to understand these histories is sometimes far easier for us than for those who learned them first, because we know most of them from better sources. Along with this there is a great deal of superfluous verbiage; and nowhere do we find a steady advance in the narration. Contrast, in these respects, "the most beautiful tale", the history of Joseph (surah 12), and its glaring improprieties, with the story in Genesis (1. Mos.*), so admirably executed in spite of some slight discrepancies. Similar faults are found in the non-narrative portions of the Quran. The connection of ideas is extremely loose, and even the syntax betrays great awkwardness. Anacolutha (= "inconsistency in logic" or "An abrupt change within a sentence to a second construction inconsistent with the first one") are of frequent occurrence, and cannot be explained as conscious literary devices. Many sentences begin with "when" or "on the day when", which seem to hover in the air, so that the commentators are driven to supply a "think of this" or some ellipsis. Again there is no great literary skill in the frequent and needless harping on the same words and phrases; in (surah*) 18, for example, "till that" (hatta idha) occurs no fewer than eight times. Muhammad (Nöldeke did not believe any god had written the Quran, to say the least of it*), in short, is not in any sense a master of style. This opinion will be endorsed by any European who reads through the book with an impartial spirit and some knowledge of the language, without taking into account the tiresome effect of its endless iterations". 

And: "Nevertheless, it is on such false interpretation of this challenge (to make better copies of the Quran*) that the dogma of the incomparable excellence of the style and diction of the Quran is based. The rest has been accomplished by dogmatic prejudice, which is capable of working other miracles besides turning a defective literary production into an unrivaled masterpiece in the eyes of believers" (our high-lighting). 

Further: "The high quality of the Quran is a theological dogma, not a reality"

And: "An unbiased European can no doubt see many things at a glance more clearly than a good Muslim who is under influence of religious prejudice - - -".

But he adds: "But in the ears of every pious Muslim such a judgment will sound almost as shocking as downright atheism and polytheism". (Because they are under such a strong religious indoctrinated dogma.*)

In addition there are all the mistaken facts - perhaps unbelievable some 2ooo points - and lots of other mistakes, all the internal contradictions + the contradictions to reality, all the invalid logic, the helpless explanations, all places with unclear language (2 or more meanings possible, or unclear meaning, etc. - and a few(?) direct lies. No god is that helpless a writer or scientist. If Allah made the Quran he was no god. If he was a god, he was not involved in a literary product on a quality level of secondary school pupil - and lower as for mistakes, etc. if one compares to the secondary schools of today (but likely correct for Arabia at the time of Muhammad).

It also is symptomatic that no sincere scientist ever use material from the Quran from before 610 AD as an argument, not to say proof for anything at all - it is absolutely unreliable.

But then who made the Quran? - not even the Devil himself would deliver a "holy" book of that quality to cheat humans into his Hell - he had to know he would be looked through sooner or later and lose credibility. Well, not unless he was prohibited from using something better, to give humans the possibility to see the trap.

425 2/176c: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

##426 2/176d: "- - - those who seek causes to dispute the Book (here the Quran*) are in schism far (from purpose)". Perhaps they are in schism, but they at least have very good reasons to debate/distrust a book full of errors dictated by a man with a moral and reliability like Muhammad, and with lots to gain from making people believe in his new religion.

427 2/177a: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

428 2/177b: "- - - it is righteousness - to believe in Allah - - -". Not according to normal definitions for righteousness when you know that the belief only builds on a book full of mistakes and with a partly immoral moral code and a partly unjust judicial code, just to mention some main points.

429 2/177c: "- - - It is righteousness - to believe in - - - the Book (the Quran*) - - -". No comment should be necessary, but take a look at 2/176b and 2/177b above.

430 2/177d: "- - - it is righteousness - to believe in - - - the Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". No comments necessary, but take a look at 2/176b and 2/177b above.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

431 2/177e: "- - - Messengers (including Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comment under 7/157 below.

432 2/177f: "- - - Prayer - - -". See 2/3b above.

433 2/177g: "- - - regular charity - - -". See 4/77b below.

434 2/177h: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

435 2/177i: "- - - God-fearing - - -". God-fearing in itself proves nothing - even the most primitive pagan can fear his gods. The question is: Is the god you fear really a god or a made up one?

436 2/178+179: "- - - the law of equality - - -". This law you find in OT ("an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"), but not in NT (f.x. Matt. 5/39-41)". A clear proof at least for that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion or moral code.

437 2/180a: "- - - a bequest - - - (etc.*)". Things like this are not from the Bible. And Muhammad did not leave one himself - which made some trouble, f.x. between the first caliph, abu Bakr, and Muhammad's daughter, Fatime.

438 2/180b: "- - - god-fearing - - -". God-fearing in itself proves nothing - even the most primitive pagan can fear his gods. The question is: Is the god you fear really a god or a made up one?

439 2/181a: "- - - a bequest - - - (etc.*)". See 2/180a above.

440 2/181b: "For Allah hears and knows (all things)". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

441 2/182: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". A parallel to 2/160c above.

442 2/183: "Fasting is prescribed to you - - -". Fasting is not prescribed in NT, and Christians who all the same fast, follow other rules than Muslims/the Quran. Yet another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

443 2/184: "(Fasting) for a fixed number of days - - -". There are no similar rules in the Bible and especially not in NT. If fasting means much to gods, the difference here is another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

444 2/185a: "Ramadan - - -". There is no Ramadan in the Bible - one more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, especially as Ramadan is of some essence to Allah.

445 2/185b: "- - - clear (Signs) - - -". See 4/140b and 36/33 below.

446 2/285c: "- - - guidance - - -". There is little reliable guidance in a book full of mistakes, or in a period of made up light hunger/thirst, etc.

447 2/185d: "- - - (- - - right and wrong) - - -". See 2/21b above.

448 2/185e: "- - - fasting - - -". See 2/183 above.

449 2/185f: "- - - glorify Him (Allah*) - - -". What for if he does not exist and/or is no god?

450 2/185g: "- - - He has guided you (any Muslims - by means of the Quran*) - - -". But as the Quran with all its errors is not from any god, who are in reality the guide? - and is he a reliable guide?

451 2/185h: "- - - grateful - - -". There never was one single proved case of Allah doing or giving anything at all to be grateful for - LOTS of claims, but never one proved case - so what is there to be grateful for? Superstition?

452 2/186a: "- - - prayer - - -". See 2/3b above.

453 2/186b: "- - - that they (Muslims*) may walk in the right way". According to the Bible Muslims often are not walking in the right way. There frequently are big differences between especially NT's and the Quran's moral codes. Also all the errors in the Quran indicates that something is seriously wrong.

454 2/187a: This long verse is not from the Bible. In the Bible - at least in NT - the only way sex is regulated is that it shall be between the two of a married couple only (and only one wife per husband and the other way around, at least in NT). Also the other rules for the fast is totally different - and do not exist as a commandment in NT. Another proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

455 2/187b: "Those are the limits (set by) Allah - - -". But as no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran, who is it who in reality has set these limits? - and what are such limits with no real authority behind them worth?

456 2/187c: "Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men - - -". See 2/39 and 2/99a above, and 4/140b below.

457 2/189a: This verse - like so much more in the Quran - is not from the Bible.

458 2/189b: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why fear Allah unless he exists and is a god? - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

##459 2/190a: "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you - - -". Quite a contrast to Jesus': "Turn the other cheek" (f.x. Matt. 5/39). One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. And there is yet another such proof in the fact that when NT speaks about fight, it nearly always is meant mental/verbal fight, whereas the Quran normally means armed fight. One of the 200%+ proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion or moral code. (Nowhere - even in OT - do you fight in the cause of the god.)

460 2/190b: "- - - the cause of Allah - - -". As all the mistaken facts and other mistakes, the contradictions, the cases of invalid logic - resulting in wrong conclusions - the cases of unclear language, clumsy explanations or statements (according to Muslims who have to "explain" they mean something else, in order to "explain" away mistakes and difficult points), etc. document that the Quran is not from any god, then in whose cause are the Muslims cheated into fighting for? - dark forces, like many inhuman points in the Quran may indicate? - a mental illness, f.x. TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) like modern medical science suspects? - human advisers like contemporary Arabs suspected? Muhammad himself, like too many points in the Quran may indicate? The fact that many of the mistakes in the Quran are in accordance with wrong scientific and historical knowledge the Arabs believed in at the time of Muhammad, and also the fact that many of the tales in the Quran are from contemporary Arab folklore, etc. are among the strong indications for that the Quran was made by one or more humans living in Arabia at the time of Muhammad - most likely by Muhammad himself, especially if you also look to all the places the book helps Muhammad and his interests.

What is for sure, is that as the Quran is not from a god, living according to that book, is not to toil or fight in a god's - Allah's - cause.

461 2/190c: "- - - Allah loveth not - - -". Allah neither loves nor dislikes anything unless he exists.

462 2/190d: "- - - transgressors - - -". See 2/21b above.

###463 2/191a: "And slay them (opponents/enemies*) wherever ye (Muslims*) catch them - - -". One of the strong proofs for that especially NT and the Quran are not from the same god - and the same for Jesus and Muhammad. Not to mention for that Islam is not "the Religion of Peace".

464 2/191b: "- - - for tumult and oppression (of Muslims*) are worse than slaughter (of non-Muslims*)". Nothing is said about non-Muslims suppressed by Muslims. No comments - except try to find Jesus saying something like this! One of the strong proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion or code of moral or conduct, etc.

465 2/191c: "- - - the Sacred Mosque - - -". The Kabah Mosque in Mecca - the most holy place on Earth according to Islam - - - and not mentioned with a whisper in the Bible. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god (if they had been one and the same, the most holy place(s) had been the same in both books).

We may add that according to Islam Adam built the first mosque in Mecca. It was destroyed in the Big Flood, but rebuilt first by Noah and then by Abraham who also never visited Mecca (it is so highly unlikely that he did, that Islam will have to bring strong proofs + reasons for why he the first time should go to such a forbidding, dry, hot valley in the middle of no-where deep inside a desert. And Abraham rebuilt the mosque so big for his small family, that when the rich city of Mecca rebuilt it during the time of Muhammad, they could not afford build it that big - and so far off from where he lived, that his family could not use it. Believe Muhammad's claims if you are able to. Also see 48/27d below and not least 22/26a below. And see 2/125e in http://www.1000mistakes.com.

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

###466 2/191d: "- - - if they (non-Muslims*) fight you, slay them". See 2/191a above.

###467 2/191e: "Such (to be killed*) is the reward for those who suppress faith (Islam*)". If you oppose Islam you shall be killed by the Muslims. Pure words for your money. And a proof strong as steel for that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion - and Yahweh and Allah not the same god.

468 2/192: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". A parallel to 2/160c above.

469 2/193a: "And fight (armed fighting*) them (non-Muslims*) on until there is no more tumult or oppression - - -". This is a verse often mentioned in debates about Islam. See 2/191a above.

One of the 100%+ proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion.

###470 2/193b: "And fight (armed fighting*) them (non-Muslims*) on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah - - -". This in short is the order the Quran gives Islam and the Muslims: Conquer and suppress the non-Muslims under the Muslims and let Islam rule. Another place in the Quran says Muslims shall fight until Islam prevails and all non-Muslims "pay the jizya (extra tax*) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (9/29).

Very different from Jesus teaching to use an understatement.

One of the at least 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

And one of the verses non-Muslims should never forget.

And not least: Is this the future of our grandchildren? - Like Saudi Arabia or North Pakistan?

471 2/193c: "- - - if they (non-Muslims*) cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression". But there is nowhere prescribed hostility towards Muslims practicing oppression - or worse./p>

472 2/194a: "The prohibited month - - -". There are 4 months in Islam during which it is prohibited to fight (number 1, 7, 11, and 12 in the artificial Islamic year). There are no such rules in the Bible - one more indication for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god. (The Jews after all was far less war-like than the old Arabs, and such a rule hardly was necessary.) We may add that this rule is one of many Islam took over from the old pagan Arab religion.

473 2/194b: "- - - the law of equality - - -". See 2/178-179 above.

####An extra comment here about laws: Many Muslims refer to that Jesus said he did not come to change the old laws, and claim that the old Mosaic laws thus must rule also Christians - and that Christians are sinning against them. But they conveniently skip that he added "until everything is accomplished" (f.x. Matt.5/18), and also skip that he on the cross added "it is finished" (John 19/30) - everything was accomplished (and may be enough was accomplished even before). As many of the Islamic Laws are closer to the old Mosaic laws than to the milder ones introduced by Jesus, and to find sins among opponents, it was essential also for Muhammad to stress that Jesus just was confirming the old Mosaic laws, f.x. concerning food. That the claim was not true, did not matter much to him, and does not matter much to Islam of today (though to be honest we think most Muslims do not know better). But even the Quran in 5/15c confirms that the god changed old laws. And f.x. Matt.5/34-36, Matt. 5/43-44, Matt. 12/3-12, Matt. 15/11-20, Luke 14/5, and Peter's sights in Acts 10/10-16 made it clear that Jesus and/or Yahweh changed laws - and Mark 7/14-19 and not least the Quran in 3/50a directly confirm that Jesus did change some of the old laws - even though that clearly was not the reason why he came to Earth.

474 2/194c: "If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you (Muslims*), transgress ye likewise against him". The anti-thesis of NT, Jesus, and "turn the other cheek". See 2/190a+b and 2/244a above. At least a 200% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and for that Jesus and Muhammad did not serve the same god.

475 2/194d: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Why fear Allah unless he exists and is a god? - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

476 2/195a: "And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah". You meet similar expressions here and there in the Quran, and normally it means you shall help finance Allah's(?) raids and wars. Guess if this contradicts especially NT! and guess if it places Jesus and Muhammad under widely different gods and religions!

As for "the cause of Allah", See 2/190a+b above and 2/244a and 29/2 below.

477 2/195b: "- - - do good". See 2/21b above.

478 2/196a: "- - - the Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca during the month of Ramadan*) or 'Umrah (a similar pilgrimage, but at other times, though it can be done at the same time - also called the lesser pilgrimage*)". Hajj is one of the most central of the rites of Islam - one of the 5 pillars of the religion, because Allah thinks it is a very essential rite. All the same there is nothing similar in the Bible - Hajj means nothing for Yahweh. One of the at least 200% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. This even more so as not one of Yahweh's prophets, included Abraham Moses, Jesus, ever expressed the slightest interest for going on Hajj or pilgrimage to Kabah/Mecca.

We may add that also the rites Muslims have to perform during Hajj are not from the Bible. Muhammad simply took over the old pagan rites mainly, so the irony is that Muslims perform old pagan, heathen rites to honor Allah. Take a look at the rites, and you also will see that mostly they are superficial and primitive ones, like one could expect from primitive pagan cultures and religions.

479 2/196b: "- - - the Sacred Mosque - - -". See 191c above and 48/27d below.

480 2/196c: "- - - fear Allah - - -". What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? There are strong circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that he does not exist and in no case is a god.

481 2/197a: "- - - Hajj - - -". See 2/196a above.

482 2/197b: "- - - wickedness - - -". See 2/21b above.

483 2/197c: "- - - whatever good ye (Muslims*) do - - -". See 2/21b above.

484 2/197d: "- - - (be sure) He (Allah*) knoweth it - - -". Comment a parallel to 2/196c above.

485 2/197e: "- - - right conduct - - -". Read the immoral parts of the Quran's codes of conduct and weep. They are VERY far from Jesus' teaching - a strong proof for that Jesus and Muhammad did not serve the same god or belong to the same religion.

486 2/197f: "So fear Me (Allah*) - - -". See 2/196c above.

487 2/197g: "So fear Me (Allah*), O ye that are wise". Muhammad time and again and again plays this card: The wise ones believe in Muhammad and his Quran, whereas the stupid and/or bad ones do not. Who does not want to be reckoned among the wise ones? - especially the not very wise, but perhaps a little naive ones?

488 2/198-200: Concerning the rites during Hajj, see 2/296a above. There is nothing like this in the Bible, even though this is at the most holy place on Earth and one of the most holy duties of all, according to Allah. Yahweh takes so little interest in it, that neither he nor Jesus nor any other prophet even mentions it or expressed any wish to go there even for Hajj - Muslim pilgrimage. One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad neither serving the same god nor belong to the same religion. Another really strong proof for the same is that pilgrimage is very central in the Quran and in Islam, whereas there is not one order or even small incentive for such in the Bible.

489 2/198a: "- - - the Sacred Monument - - -". A stone with imprints which may remind of the marks from two primitive shoes near the Kabah mosque. Muhammad claimed they were made by Abraham when he made the mosque. No comments necessary.

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

490 2/198b: "- - - celebrate His (Allah's*) praises - - -". Please read the surahs from Medina - skip the cheap, glorifying words dictators normally use about themselves, and judge from the far more reliable deeds, demands, introduced codes of conduct, codes of moral, etc. (When there are discrepancies between words and reality, we always believe in the reality.) Do you find he deserves praise? Besides: What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? - not to mention if he belongs to the dark forces? There are strong circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that he does not exist and in no case is a god.

491 2/199a: "- - - ask for Allah's forgiveness". Allah cannot forgive anyone unless he exists and is a god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran.

492 2/199b: "For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 2/160c above.

493 2/200a: "- - - the holy rites - - -". The black irony here is that these rites simply are old pagan Arab rites without any fuss taken over together with the old pagan god al-Lah by Muhammad, and introduced as holy rites and a holy god for Islam.

494 2/200b: "- - - celebrate the praise of Allah." Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, the unjust parts of the sharia laws, etc. How much praise is Allah really worthy of? - if he exists.

495 2/202: "- - - Allah is quick in account". Not unless he exists.

496 2/203a: "Celebrate the praises of Allah during the Appointed Days". What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? There are strong circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that he does not exist and in no case is a god - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

497 2/203b: "- - - the Appointed Days - - -". Also this is something you do not find in the Bible. It means the days during which the Hajj pilgrimage is performed.

498 2/203c: "Then fear Allah - - -". What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? There are strong circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that he does not exist and in no case is a god.

499 2/203d: "Then fear Allah, and know that ye (Muslims, people*) will surely be gathered unto Him (at the day of Doom*)". The Bible tells that everybody will be gathered to Yahweh at the Day of Doom. Maximum one of these two can be right. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

500 2/203e: "- - - know that ye (people*) will surely be gathered (at the Day of Doom*) unto Him (Allah*)". According to the Bible one will be gathered unto Yahweh that day.

##501 2/205: "But Allah loveth not mischief". Look at Islam's history - their aggression, their behavior during and after wars and raids, their pirates, their terrorists (Muslim terrorists are nothing new), their slave hunting - perhaps 100 million or more only in black Africa - their treatment of non-Muslims and women, their stealing and looting, etc. According to all normal codes of moral and of conduct this is mischief. Can Allah then love Muslims if he exists and is a normal god?

502 2/206: "Fear Allah - - -". What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? There are strong circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that he does not exist and in no case is a god. Besides: According to the Bible the one to fear is Yahweh, not Allah.

503 2/207a: "And there are the type of men who gives their lives to earn the pleasure of Allah - - -". A bad deal if Allah not exists - not to mention if there is another god "at the other side" not liking war religions or deeds conflicting "do to others like you want others do to you".

504 2/207b: "- - - Allah is full of kindness to (His) devotees". Only possible if he exists and in addition is a god.

505 2/208a: "Enter into Islam wholeheartedly - - -". Risky if a Allah does not exist and/or is not a god - not to mention if he belongs to the dark forces, like a number of points in the Quran may indicate (there are a number of points which fits a devil better than an honest, good, and benevolent god).

506 2/208b: "Enter into Islam wholeheartedly, and follow not in the footsteps of Satan - - -". The Bible indirectly, but very clearly discourages the first part of this sentence, and advices Yahweh instead. But the really interesting point here is the mentioning of Satan: Satan is an interesting "person" in the Quran, because he is one of the 3 possible makers of the Quran - and lots of points in the Quran fits a satan better than they fit a god - at least a claimed good and benevolent god. The other two possibilities are a mental illness - modern medical science suspects TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) which may give just the kinds of fits and of religious illusions Muhammad is said to have had. And finally there is the alternative of a cold human brain - f.x. Muhammad's. The fact that nearly everything in the book is from and around Arabia + all the errors which are in accordance with what one believed was correct science, etc. in Arabia at the time of Muhammad, may indicate this. The same do all the times Allah(?) helped Muhammad solving personal, etc. problems.

Muhammad's claim - that the Quran is from a god - is out of the question. No god - and definitely not an omniscient one - ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran. Only the "wrapping paper" - the Arab linguistics - is of good quality. And no good and benevolent god would engage in such a harsh and partly immoral war religion, led by a harsh and bloody warlord, like described in the Quran. It is heresy and an insult and slander towards any god to blame such a book on him. Also see 2/168 above.

##507 2/209a: If ye (Muslims*) backslides (leave Islam*) after the clear (Signs) have come to you (= after you have become a Muslim*), then know that Allah is exalted in Power, Wise". The somewhat cryptic end of this sentence simply means that Allah will punish you for it, if not before then in the claimed next life. An interesting point here is that nowhere in the Quran is specified how apostates - persons leaving Islam - shall be punished, and it also is not quite clear from the book if they should be punished by Muslims in this life. However, all the 4 so-called law schools in Islam from quite early have agreed on that men leaving Islam for one thing lose everything - all social contacts to be severed, his wife and children automatically lost, everything he owned given to his inheritors or to the authorities, and of course his life forfeited, though most places (not all - some reckoned apostasy to be unforgiveable, so why wait?) he was given a short time to change his mind and return to the religion (this respite many place was 3 days). Now, also in Christianity apostasy could be harshly treated from around 300 AD (among Jews from around 100 AD if our sources are correct) - - - but this does not make Islam any better.

Some places the punishment was a bit more lenient if you had become Muslim as an adult and then wanted to leave Islam. For persons born Muslims - and thus had had no chance to decide for them self - there was no pardon. As for women wanting to leave Islam, they were not to be killed, but imprisoned until they changed their minds and returned to the religion.

###There also is another serious difference: Many places in Muslim area these harsh laws formally - and some places also at least partly in reality (though the punishment may be executed informally) - are valid even today, so that men if not officially executed, at least are permitted killed by "good" believing Muslims. The danger of being killed for leaving Islam still is a reality some places, and losing everything, included your spouse and children also is a reality many places even today. (We have been contacted by Muslims telling the contact has to be done incognito, because it is too dangerous for them if anybody finds out. "Let there be no compulsion in religion"? - and is this a good future for our children or grandchildren?)

508 2/209b: "- - - clear (Signs) - - -". See 4/140b and 36/33 below.

509 2/209c: "- - - Allah is Exalted in Power - - -". He in case never has showed that power. Besides according to the Bible the only one really exalted in power is Yahweh.

510 2/209d: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he delivered the Quran.

511 2/210a: "Will they (non-Muslims*) wait until Allah comes to them in canopies of clouds (= the Day of Doom*) - - -". It will be a long wait if Allah does not exist or for other reasons is not a god. According to the old books Yahweh has proved his godhood, but Allah only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by his book. And according to the Bible it will be Yahweh who rules that day, not Allah".

###512 2/210b: "But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)". In this cryptic sentence (and a number of other places in the Quran) you find one of the biggest differences between Yahweh and Allah - between the Bible and the Quran. And you also find a good argument and weapon for Muhammad and an unsolvable problem for Islam. The sentence tells that Allah decides absolutely everything which happens in the world, included everything you and everybody else think and decide and do. It manifests the absolute and total power of Allah - and thus indirectly of Muhammad (and his successors). Other places in the Quran make it clear that Allah not only decided everything you and everybody else think and say and do, but he predestines it long time before it takes place. This among other things means that the time of your death is decided long before (some Hadiths indicate 5 months before you are born - when you are a 4 month old fetus) - - - which f.x. means it is not dangerous for you to go on raids or terrorism or war and to be really fighting, because you will not die before your time is up anyhow - a nice argument for the warlord and robber baron Muhammad and for his successors.

But if Allah decides everything you do, he is not a good and fair and benevolent god if he punishes you for bad things he has forced you - his "puppet-on-a-string" - to do. So Muhammad also claimed that man has free will, and the bad things he said and did came/comes from this free will, and then it is ok and just for Allah to punish for it.

Muhammad never explained how it was possible to combine absolute predestination with free will. Also Islam has ever since been unable to explain it. Some have tried - you f.x. may meet the claim that man has partly free will, but partly free will is as impossible to combine with complete predestination, as full free will is. The bottom line is that Muslim scholars reluctantly admit that "it is impossible for humans to explain how it is possible to combine these two statements, but they have to be true as it is said in the Quran" (!!!)

The ultimate surrender to dogmatism and blind belief.

The total predestination also is one of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - under Yahweh man has full free will, except that Yahweh can intervene now and then and decide that this and this has to happen.

513 2/211a: "Ask the Children of Israel (the Jews*) how many clear (signs) We (Allah*) have sent them - - -". For one thing Allah has not provably sent one single logically valid sign about anything to anybody, included Muhammad - See 2/39 and 2/99a above, and 4/140b below. But the main thing here is that this is one more of the places where Muhammad claims that the old god of the Israelites is the same god as his own Allah. The teachings of Yahweh and the teachings of Allah are so different, and so fundamentally different, that this claim is not true unless the god is strongly ill mentally - schizophrenic at least. Yahweh and Allah simply are not the same god, and all the many and deep differences in their teachings prove this beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt - though not beyond blindness, wishful thinking, or fanatics. (And we remind you: Muhammad's try to explain away the differences by means of his never documented claim that the Bible is falsified, is invalid and wrong, as both science and Islam have proved the claim untrue with strong circumstantial proofs.) Also see 2/40 and 2/75 above.

514 2/211b: "But if anyone, after Allah's favor has come to him (= after he has become a Muslim*), substitutes (something else (= leaves Allah for another god*)), Allah is strict in punishment". Se 2/209a above.

515 2/211c: "- - - Allah's favor - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black.

516 2/211d: "- - - Allah is strict in punishment". Allah can neither punish nor reward unless he exists and is a god.

517 2/212a: "The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith (Islam*) - - -". One of Muhammad's standard explanations for why many did not believe him - a better explanation for him than the plain fact that too many saw that things were very wrong in his new religion.

518 2/212b: "- - - Righteous - - -". See 2/21b above.

519 2/212c: "- - - Allah bestows his abundance without measure (here Paradise*) - - -". Not unless he exists, is a god and has a paradise, none of which is ever proved - there only are Muhammad's words, for what they are worth, and his Quran full of errors, etc. and not from any god.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

520 2/212d: "- - - Allah bestows his abundance without measure (here Paradise*) on whom He will". For a comparison Yahweh according to the Bible predestines little or nothing, and accepts anyone who deserves it or has been forgiven to his Paradise. 

521 2/213a: "Mankind was one nation - - -". This is not from the Bible - and not true. (Perhaps once one tribe somewhere in East Africa near 200ooo years ago, but never one nation.)

We may add that the first humans - Homo Habilis - are some 2.5 million years old, and our first clear forefathers - the first humanoids - are some 6 million years old. The archeologists never found any indication for a god like Allah, a book like the Quran, a religion like Islam, or "messengers" from such a religion or such a god - not to mention deeds done by such a god. Did Allah let all these humanoids and humans end in Hell by not informing them about Islam? Or if he accepted them to his Paradise in spite of their sins and lack of belief in Allah, because they had not been told about the god (no "messengers?), why then - if he was/is a good and benevolent god - did he start telling humans about himself and thus judging everyone who did not believe in the stories about him, to Hell? And why not even one valid proof for his existence, so that skeptics could come to belief? Not a good and benevolent god at least.

###522 2/213b: "Mankind was one single nation, and Allah sent Messengers - - - and with them ha sent the Book (the Quran) in truth - - -". (Like so much in the Quran this is not from the Bible.) There only was one time when there was a chance for that mankind was only a single group, and that was well before the first ones of Homo Sapiens - modern man - left Africa. This is absolutely the only possible time. Say some 60ooo - 80ooo years ago (though more likely is at the start of Homo Sapiens - say 195ooo years ago) - remember here that according to Islam all communities through all times have been sent prophets of messengers teaching Islam and with books similar to the Quran (believe it if you are able to), though it hardly is more that maximum 15ooo years ago the first humans learnt how to read.

But what is absolutely sure is that not one single man 60ooo - or 40ooo - or even 20ooo years ago knew how to read a book.

But remember that Allah sent with them the Book = the Quran (all such books, included Muhammad's Quran, were copies of "the Mother of the Book" - the original Quran - revered by Allah and his angels in Heaven. F.x. all stuff about Muhammad and about local things in Arabia. All sent to 124ooo prophets through the times - much of the stuff meaningless to them - and revered by an omniscient god. Please read the Quran and see if you are able to believe all this. (F.x. that all the stuff about Muhammad and Arabian details would be good and holy stuff for them, and revered by an omniscient god, does not even fit a fairy tale.)

The small curiosum here: As Islam claims each prophet/messenger got a copy similar to the Quran, and as Hadiths tells there were 124ooo prophets/messengers through the times and all over the world, there must have been at least 124ooo copies of the Quran around, plus all the copies written from these ones. No-one knows how many copies there ever existed of the Bible older than 610 AD, but far fewer - mainly because they were 4-5 times as big as the Quran, and thus 4-5 times as expensive - handwritten books naturally were very expensive - and no 124ooo free copies from the god like the Quran. All the same there exist some 12ooo manuscripts (mostly of parts of the book) or fragments from the Bible + some 32ooo manuscripts or fragments with references to or quotes from texts in the Bible. For a comparison there does not exist even one fragment or one reference or one quote from the Quran in the entire world older than 610, AD when Muhammad started his new religion.

Believe in the claim about the Quran being a book older than 610 AD (really a little later) and widely dispersed if you are able to.

523 2/213c: "- - - glad tidings - - -". Is a religion preaching lawful dishonesty, suppression, discrimination, rape, hate, war, etc. a glad tiding? - except perhaps for those permitted to steal, rape, suppress, and take slaves.

524 2/213d: "- - - clear Signs- - -". See 4/140b above and 36/33 below.

525 2/213e: "- - - selfish contumacy". It was much better for Muhammad to use words and claims like this, than to admit that the true reason for the differences between the Bible and the Quran, was that he did not know the Bible and had used other sources when "quoting" the Bible - sources which were wrong.

526 2/213f: "Allah by His Grace guided the believers (here likely the Jews and Christians*) to the Truth (Islam*), concerning that wherein they differed (and falsified the Bible and became Jews and Christians instead)". This was one of Muhammad's pet "truths". It needs no comments, especially as it is thoroughly proved that the Bible is not falsified. (Guess if Islam had screamed about it if they had found even one proved falsification! - there never was such a scream.) And even more so as it is clear that the Quran with all its errors, contradictions, etc. is not from any god.

527 2/213g: "Allah by His Grace guided the believers (Muslims*) to the Truth - - -". Only possible - possible - if Allah existed and was a god, and if in addition the Quran with all its errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. and even a few(?) lies, only tells the plain and full truth about this.

528 2/213h: "- - - His (Allah's) Grace - - -". Once more: Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, its code of behavior - especially during and after raids and wars and against victims - the unjust parts of the sharia laws, etc. Drop the glorious words and read the realities - the orders, the demands, the introduced rules, the introduced moral codes, the connection or distance to "do to others like you want others do to you", etc. How much real grace do you find? Especially towards the minorities of the suppressed ones? (The situation for the minorities and the suppressed ones often tells much truer facts about a culture, than the situation for the majority.)

529 2/213i: "- - - Truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

530 2/213j: "Allah - - - guided - - -". Impossible unless he exists. Also nobody is a reliable guide if he uses a guidebook of a quality like the Quran.

531 2/213k: "For Allah guides whom He will (remember here the 100% predestination*) - - -". For a comparison: According to the Bible Yahweh guides anyone who deserve so or who honestly prays for it and tries to live up to the rules.

532 2/213l: "- - - a path that is straight". Is it symptomatic that the Quran and Muhammad talk about "the straight Way", "the even Path", "the straight Path", etc. - the easy road - to the Paradise, whereas Jesus talked about "the narrow road" - the difficult one? Populism contra realism?

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

533 2/214a: "- - - the Garden (of Bliss) - - -". Islam tells there are 4 or 6 or more Gardens (at least 4 according to 55/46+62 in the Quran) - one better than the other (but only like a poor, naive, and uneducated primitive desert warrior's dream of a king's lazy luxury life on Earth) - in Paradise. This you do not find in the Bible - and in the Paradise of Yahweh there is not Earth-like luxury - you become like the angels (Luke 22/30). One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, the Paradise had been the same.

Also remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

534 2/214b: "- - - (trials) - - -". But why does an omniscient god who on top of all predestines everything if the Quran tells the truth on this point, and thus knows the result on beforehand, need to try people? There exists no logic in this.

On the other hand if this is an "explanation" from a Muhammad who wanted warriors, there suddenly is a lot of logic in the story.

535 2/214c: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

536 2/214d: "Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near". This only may - may - be true if Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

537 2/215a: "- - - good - - -". See 2/21b above.

538 2/215b: "- - - Allah knoweth it (what you do*) well". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad./p>

###539 2/216a: "Fighting is prescribed for you (Muslims*) - - -". The short comment is: So different from especially NT that it at least is a 200% or more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and for that Jesus and Muhammad did not serve the same god or the same religion. 

###540 2/216b: "Fighting is prescribed for you (Muslims*), and ye dislike it". All non-Muslims should remember the 3 last words her. Very far from all Muslims like strife and war, etc. Partly because of Islam’s rules for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Muhammad's/Islam's view on betrayal, etc., and even on broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a) some care may be ok when meeting unknown Muslims in serious cases. But no Muslim should be judged as "bad" just because he is a Muslim - many of them are at least as good as you and me. (But we admit that the problem may be to know who is who.)

#541 2/216c: "But Allah knoweth (that fighting, etc. may be good for you*), and you (Muslims*) know not". Especially if Allah does not exist and/or the Quran is wrong also in describing the religion, may be you know better than Allah or at least than the full of errors Quran.

542 2/217a: "- - - fighting in the Prohibited month". The old Arabia had 4 months when fighting was prohibited. (Numbers 1, 7, 11, and 12 in Islam's moon-year (ca. 11 days shorter than the natural year.) The Muslims' first successful robbing of a caravan took place in such a prohibited month, and Muhammad here had to defend what had happened - and as normal his god helped him: As other things were worse, robbing during a sacred month was ok. (Normally your misdeed does not become morally better even though somebody else does something totally unconnected to your bad deed, which you do not like. Muhammad's men did not break the holy month because they had no access to the Kabah mosque - which is what Muhammad referred to - but to rob and steal.)) Compare this to NT - a totally different god and a totally different representative from the respective gods.

543 2/217b: "- - - the Sacred Mosque - - -". Kabah in Mecca. Also see 2/191c above and 48/27d below and not least 22/26a below. And see 2/125e in http://www.1000mistakes.com.

544 2/217c: "Tumult and oppression (of Muslims*) are worse than slaughter (of non-Muslims denying Muhammad access to the Kabah mosque)". No comment should be necessary - and definitely not words from Jesus.

545 2/217d: "And if any of you (Muslims*) - - - turn back from their faith - - -". - - - it will be a good idea according to the Bible, which indirectly, but very clearly tells that Allah is no god. And it will be a very good idea, according to the same book, if you instead follow Yahweh.

546 2/217e: "- - - they (people leaving Islam*) will be Companions of the Fire (= will go to Hell*)". Only if there is an Allah ruling everything, and only if in addition the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth about his religion. We may add that according to the Bible the ones following Yahweh will be safe, but not f.x. Muslims.

547 2/218a: "- - - fought (and strove and struggled) in the path of Allah". Has anyone fond a similar sentence from Jesus? Not the same god and Jesus and Muhammad not the servants of the same god or religion. A clear indication.

548 2/218b: "- - - the path of Allah - - -". Does not exist unless Allah exists and in addition is something supernatural - be careful if he belongs to the dark forces.

549 2/218c: "- - - they (Muslims*) have the hope of the Mercy of Allah - - -". But it is a vain hope unless Allah exists and is a god, neither of which was ever proved - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

550 2/218d: "- - - the Mercy of Allah - - -". See 2/160c above.

551 2/218e: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 2/160c above.

552 2/219a: "They (Muslims/people*) ask thee (Muhammad*) concerning wine and gambling. Say: 'It is a great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit'. They ask thee how much to spend (for wine and gambling*); say: 'What is beyond your needs'. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His Signs - - -". From what we know today about both alcohol and gambling it may well be that the Quran is wiser than the Bible on just these points. But the main thing just here is that no such meanings are expressed in the Bible, at least as long as you do not drink too much, whereas in the Quran it is parts of Allah's claimed signs. At least another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. (It also is an example of an Allah who had to try and fail to find the best rules - there came prohibition against alcohol later.)

553 2/219b: "- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b and 36/33 below.

554 2/220a: "- - - Allah knows - - -". Nor unless he exists and is a god.

555 2/220b: "And if Allah had wished, he could have - - -". Many places in the Quran you will find Muhammad boasting of things Allah could do if he only wanted or wished. The thing is he never seems to want or wish.

556 2/220c: "- - - Allah is Exalted in Power - - -". He in case never has showed that power. Besides according to the Bible the only one really exalted in power is Yahweh.

557 2/220d: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he delivered the Quran.

558 2/221a: "- - - Allah beckons you (Muslims*) - - -". But as the Quran with all its mistakes is not from any god, who then is it who is beckoning you via that book?- and what is the beckoning really worth?

559 2/221b: "- - - His (Allah's*) Grace - - -". Once more: Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, its code of behavior - especially during and after raids and wars and against victims - the unjust parts of the sharia laws, etc. Drop the glorious words and read the realities - the orders, the demands, the introduced rules, the introduced moral codes, the connection or distance to "do to others like you want others do to you", etc. How much real grace do you find? Especially towards the minorities of the suppressed ones? (The situation for the minorities and the suppressed ones often tells much truer facts about a culture, than the situation for the majority.)

560 2/221c: "- - - the Garden - - -". Remember the other enormous and very fundamental differences between the Paradises of the Bible and of the Quran and how to get there - some of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

One point the Quran never explains, is how it is possible for you to have your family around you like the Quran promises, if not all of them qualifies for the same heaven or garden? Your son and daughter qualify for garden number 1 and 3 respectively, your wife for number 2, whereas you yourself were killed in the Battle of Tours in 732 AD and qualify for Firdaws. How to collect your family around you, like the Quran states is a fact?

#561 2/221d: "- - - forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god. Remember also that even if he had been, whether or not he would forgive Muslims depends on if the Quran has described him and his religion correctly - there is very much which is wrong in the Quran. And on top of all there is the question about if he at all exists - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. And besides: Can he at all forgive? - the Quran many places states that Allah predestines everything long before, and this according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, and to forgive means to change that Plan, which according to the Quran cannot be done. (You of course can say Allah had predestined that you should pray for forgiveness, but then it really is not you, but your puppet-master who prays.)

562 2/221e: "- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -". See 4/140b and 36/33 below.

563 2/221f: "- - - celebrate His (Allah's*) praise - - -". What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? There are strong circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that he does not exist and in no case is a god.

564 2/222-223: These verses are not from the Bible. They tell a little about Muhammad's and hence Islam's view on women.

565 2/222: "- - - Allah loves - - -". Allah neither loves nor dislikes anybody unless he exists, neither of which was ever proved.

566 2/223a: "- - - fear Allah". What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? There are strong circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that he does not exist and in no case is a god. Besides: According to the Bible the one to fear is Yahweh, not Allah.

567 2/223b: "- - - know that ye (Muslims*) are to meet Him (Allah*) (in the Hereafter)". Not unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad - and if the Quran in addition has told the full and only truth. Besides: According to the Bible it is Yahweh you will meet there, not Allah - and as no book of a quality like the Quran is from a god, there is a chance the Bible may be right.

568 2/223c: "- - - good tidings - - -". How good, and not least how reliable are religious tidings in a claimed holy book too full of mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies) to come from a god?

569 2/224a: "- - - doing good - - -". See 2/21b above.

570 2/224b: "- - - Allah is One who heareth and knoweth all things". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

#####571 2/225a: "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts - - -". This is very different from NT - according to NT you should not use oaths at all (f.x. Matt. 5/33-37), and if you do swear anyhow, you are to keep your oath no matter what. A fundamental difference in the moral codes, which is one of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad morally belong to different worlds. Similar in 5/89a and 66/2a below.

One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, not to mention Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion or code of moral.

#572 2/225b: "- - - He (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god. Remember also that even if he had been, whether or not he would forgive Muslims depends on if the Quran has described him and his religion correctly - there is very much which is wrong in the Quran. And on top of all there as sais is the question about if he at all exists - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. And besides: Can he at all forgive? - the Quran many places states that Allah predestines everything long before, and this according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, and to forgive means to change that Plan, which according to the Quran cannot be done. (You of course can say Allah had predestined that you should pray for forgiveness, but then it really is not you, but your puppet-master who prays.)

573 2/22c: "- - - Allah is - - - Most Forbearing - - -". A parallel to 2/160c above.

574 2/226: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 2/160c above.

575 2/227a: "But if their (people's) intention is firm for divorce, Allah heareth and knoweth all things (= Allah accepts this*) - - -". Compare this to f.x. Matt. 5/32: "But I (Jesus*) tell you (the people*) that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery". The differences in the moral codes are so fundamental, that this is one of the far more than 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad morally are not even on the same planet, not to mention in the same line of prophets (if Muhammad had been a real prophet - according to the Quran he was unable to make prophesies, and who is a prophet unless he is able to make prophesies?)

576 2/227b: "- - - Allah is One who heareth and knoweth all things". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests, because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

577 2/228a: "Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods (before they marry again*)". Compare this to f.x. Matt. 5/32: "But I (Jesus*) tell you (the people*) that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress - - -". According to this a woman (or a man) who divorces and then remarry, commits and lives in adultery. See 2/227a above.

578 2/228b: "- - - Allah is Exalted in Power - - -". He in case never has showed that power. Besides according to the Bible the only one really exalted in power is Yahweh.

579 2/228c: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he delivered the Quran.

580 2/229a: "A divorce is only permissible twice - - -". Here is meant divorce and remarriage to the same man, but even so see 2/227a and 2/228a above.

One of the at least 100% proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad is not from the same religion. See f.x. Matt. 19/3-9.

581 2/229b: "These are the limits ordained by Allah - - -". Se the limits ordained by Yahweh (f.x. Matt. 19/3-9) are totally different, this is an absolute proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Besides: As the Quran is not from any god, then who in reality ordained these limits? - and was it done on basis of any real authority?

582 2/230: "If a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably) - - -". See 2/227a and 2/228a above.

#583 2/230a: "If a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), he cannot , after that, remarry her until after she has married another husband and he has divorced her - - -". NB: A formal marriage is not enough - they have to have had sex minimum one time. 

This is one of the grotesque sides of the Quran and Islam - if there is a binding divorce the parts regrets, the woman has to prostitute herself to make it possible for them to return to each other. This is even more grotesque as mostly it is the man who in case initiates the divorce, but the woman who has to pay the price by de-humanizing herself.

In normal cultures and normal religions it does not happen too often that a couple wants to go back to each other after a divorce. This because in most societies a divorce takes - on purpose - enough time for the two to think things over and find out if this is what they really want, and if they then regret, there is plenty of time to stop the divorce and return to each other. But in Islam it is so easy and quick to get a divorce, that this situation arises now and then - f.x. after fits of anger. Then there only is this choice for the woman: Become a short-time prostitute or stay away from your beloved one for the rest of your life - all this perhaps because the husband misunderstood something or was in a bad mood, and in some flashes of depression or bad mood or anger told her "I divorce you" too many times.

F.x. ibn Warraq tells that some places - f.x. in Pakistan - it is not uncommon to pay a reliable man - a man one can trust will not keep his unexpected new wife - for marrying, having sex with, and then the next day divorce the woman. A very nice case for a "hungry" man - normally a man has to pay for a prostitute, but here: "Hey, please take 1000 dollars and fuck my wife so that I will be permitted to take her back - and afterwards both she and I will see if we are able to forget what you have done to her naked body and penetrated her and put your semen into her, not to mention what we have to try to forget if you have made her pregnant".

Some highly moral religion! Some good and benevolent and human god!

A far more than 200% proof for that the god of especially NT and the god of the Quran are not the same one. And we do not even bother to mention that Jesus and Muhammad morally and religiously are not even distantly related.

To use plain words: This rule is inhuman, dehumanizing, and disgusting. It also tells a lot about the one who made this religion, be it dark forces or f.x. Muhammad - dark forces or humans or a mental illness being the only alternatives as no god is behind a book as full of errors, contradictions, etc. as the Quran.

###We may here also mention the "mut'a" marriages - time limited marriages for some hours or days or longer - in reality legalized prostitution - legal in Shi’a Islam. In Sunni Islam such marriages are not officially legal, but nearly as easy to make - the only thing is that you cannot put on the paper that it is for a limited time: You agree on a time - say for a week - and marry in the ordinary way. When the week is over and the prostitute has got her payment, the man simply says "I divorce you" 3 times, and that is it. As divorce is that easy, the man is perfectly safe, and in reality also the woman, because what man will keep a prostitute as a wife? Compare this to Jesus' words about such things, and you have an at least 200% to the second power proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and Jesus and Muhammad religiously and morally not even distantly related.

Also see 45/13a below.

584 2/230b: "Such are the limits ordained by Allah - - -". As the Quran with all its mistakes is from no god, then who is the one who really ordained it? One of the alternatives is the dark forces, and forced prostitution (see 2/230ajust above) belongs to their department. Also see 2/229b above.

585 2/231a: "When ye (Muslims*) divorce women - - -". See 2/227a and 2/228a above.

586 2/231b: "Do not treat Allah's Signs as a jest - - -". This is not possible, because there exists not one reliable sign for Allah in the entire world or in all the Quran - they without exception all are invalid as signs or proofs for Allah, because it never first is proved that it really is Allah who is behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed were signs or proofs for his god. In each and every case any believers in any religion can do just what Muhammad did; claim something on behalf of his god(s) and pretend it is a proof for that god. This is free of charge to do for any believer of any god, as long as he/she can evade the requests for proofs, just like Muhammad did. According to the Bible - and the Quran - both Yahweh and Jesus gave proofs for their position and power if the old books tell the truth - Allah and Muhammad never was able to prove anything of any essence at all. Nothing. Just demands for blind belief and the use of invalid claims - the hallmark of cheats and deceivers.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or something else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

###587 2/231c: "- - - Allah's Signs - - -". See 4/140b and 36/33 above.

588 2/231d: "- - - Allah's favors - - -". There never was one single proved case of Allah making or giving even one favor to even one person. Guess what triumphant hullabaloo Islam had made about it if even one such case had happened!.

589 2/231e: "- - - the fact that He (Allah*) sent down to you (Muhammad/Muslims*) the Book (the Quran*) - - -". Islam and Muslims - and Muhammad - often goes easy on strong and sometimes not true words. That the Quran was sent down, not to mention that it was sent down from Allah, never was a fact, but only a claim - like normal for Muhammad. The only real fact concerning this is that all the mistakes in the Quran prove more than 100% that it is NOT from a god, not to mention from an omniscient one.

Also see 2/176b above.

590 2/231f: "- - - Allah's favors - - -". There never was on single proved case ever of Allah giving a favor to anyone - lots of claims, but not one single proved case.

591 2/231g: "- - - the Book (here the Quran*) and Wisdom - - -". But how much wisdom do you really find in the Quran? You may agree or heartily disagree with the religious contents of the Bible, but you may find much wisdom in that book anyhow. But please read the full Quran and see how much real wisdom you find there.

592 2/231h: "And fear Allah - - -". What for if he does not exist or for some other reason is not a god.

593 2/231i: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with all things". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

594 2/232a: "When ye (Muslims*) divorce women - - -". See 2/227a and 2/228a (and 2/230a) above.

#595 2/232b: "- - - Allah knows, and ye (Muslims*) know not". Knowing that all the errors and worse in the Quran prove the Quran does not express the knowledge of any god, not to mention of an omniscient god, and thus that it does not express a possible(?) Allah's knowledge, may be "you" know better anyhow.

596 2/233a: "And fear Allah - - -". What for if he does not exist or for some other reason is not a god.

597 2/233b: "- - - Allah sees well what ye (people*) do". Parallel to 2/231h above.

598 2/234a: "- - - they (widows*) shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days - - -". This is not from the Bible.

599 2/234b: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with what ye (people*) do". Parallel to 2/231i above.

600 2/235a: "- - - Allah knoweth what is in your (people's*) hearts - - -". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

601 2/235b: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing". See 2/160c above.

602 2/236a: "There is no blame on you (Muslims*) if ye divorce women before consummation or fixation of their dower - - -". See 2/227a and 2/228a above.

603 2/236b: "- - - dower - - -". In the Quran and for Allah/Muhammad the dower was/is a necessary part of a wedding - without it a marriage is not valid in Islam. Yahweh/Jesus does not at all mention such a demand in all the NT (and Yahweh hardly in OT). One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not serving the same god or religion. If they had been, the rules for such a central thing as the marriage had been at least similar, if not identical.

604 2/236c: "- - - right - - -". See 2/21b above.

605 2/237a: "And if ye (Muslims*) divorce them (wives*) before consummation, but after the fixation of a dower for them - - -". See 2/227a and 2/228a above.

606 2/237b: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

607 2/237c: "For Allah sees well all that ye do". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

608 2/238a: "Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer - - -". There is no such rule in the Bible. There the essential thing is that you pray, not when or how or formally correct. Another indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 11/87a below.

609 2/238b: "- - - prayer - - -". See 2/3b above.

610 2/239a: "If ye fear (an enemy), pray on foot, or riding (as may be most convenient), but when ye are in security, celebrate Allah's praise in the manner He has taught you - - -". This is not from the Bible. Also see 2/238a above.

611 2/239b: "- - - pray - - -". See 2/3b above.

612 2/239c: "- - - celebrate Allah's praises - - -". What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? There are strong circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that he does not exist and in no case is a god - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

613 2/239d: "- - - in the manner He (Allah*) taught you (Muslims*) - - -". As the Quran with all its mistakes is not from any god, then who was it in reality who taught you about this and about the rest of Islam? There are 3 possible alternatives:

1): The dark forces. (A number of immoral and inhuman points in the Quran may indicate this).

2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Modern medical science suspects this.

3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's. All the mistakes in the Quran believed to be correct science at the time of Muhammad plus f.x. the fact that all material in the book is from Arabia and neighboring area strongly indicates this - perhaps combined with alternative 2.

Also see 45/13a below.

€€€614 2/240-242: These verses are not from the Bible (like so much more in the Quran - even of "Biblical" stuff. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

615 2/240a: "- - - Allah is Exalted in Power - - -". He in case never has showed that power. Besides according to the Bible the only one really exalted in power is Yahweh.

616 2/240b: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he delivered the Quran.

617 2/241: "- - - the righteous". See 2/21b above.

618 2/242a: "Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to you (Muslims) - - -". How? No signs are explained or made clear in the verses above. Besides: How can Allah make clear anything if he does not exist?

619 2/242b: "- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -". There exists no valid signs for Allah in this world - and never did. See 2/39 and 2/99a above, and 4/140b and 36/33 below.

620 2/243a: "Allah said to them: 'Die'. then he restored them to life". This story is not from the Bible. Also Islam does not know what/where it refers to. The Quran as mentioned often is far from clear.

621 2/243b: "For Allah is full of bounty for mankind - - -". This only may - may - be true if Allah exists and in addition is something supernatural, good or bad. We may also remind you that "Allah's" bounty here on Earth, Muhammad and his Muslims to a large degree stole/looted from their victims, nothing was really or provably gifts from Allah

###622 2/244a: "Then fight in the course of Allah - - -". Also in the Bible you find fighting - in the OT even armed fighting. But the serious difference between armed fighting in the Bible and in the Quran, is that in the Bible the armed fighting mainly was for self defence or for establishing and defending a national state for the Israelites, (supplanting bad people living there according to the Bible), whereas in the Quran you shall conquer and suppress all non-Muslims and force them to pay extra tax - jizya - "with willing submission" (see surah/verse 9/29g below).

The fighting in OT thus was not in the cause of Yahweh, but in the cause of the nation of Israel (or in the cause of f.x. Abraham in self defence on behalf of his people included Lot). In the Quran it was/is for Muhammad/Allah and riches and power.

In NT - which represents the new covenance between Yahweh and humans (f.x. Luke 22/20) - there hardly is any armed fighting at all. The fighting Jesus talked about and sometimes even wanted, was/is mental and verbal fighting to teach people his/Yahweh's religion. Physical fighting Jesus abhorred - cfr. f.x. "turn the other cheek" (f.x. Matt. 5/39).

One of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, not to mention that Jesus and Muhammad are so far apart that it gives no real meaning even to mention them in the same sentence.

623 2/244b: "- - - the cause of Allah - - -". See 2/190a+b and 2/244a above.

624 2/244c: "- - - Allah heareth and knoweth all things". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 2/244a, 16/78 and 29/2 below.

625 2/245a: "- - - loan to Allah a beautiful loan - - -". This is a Quranic way of saying that you should go on raids and to war for Muhammad/Allah, and the "beautiful loan" is to risk your life. (The credit promised later in the verse, is the promise about Paradise for everyone fighting and dying for Muhammad/Allah - extra cheap for Muhammad if Allah and/or the Paradise do not exist)./p>

One more absolute proof for that the two gods and the two prophets have little in common - also see 2/244a above.

#626 2/245b: "- - - a beautiful loan, which Allah will double - - - and multiply many times (in the claimed next life*) - - -". A good deal for the Muslim if true. A very good deal for Muhammad who in no case has to pay anything of it to his followers. And an ok deal for Allah, especially if the claim is not true - f.x. if Islam is wrongly described among all the other errors in the Quran, or if Allah is a made up or pagan false god. (If the claim is not true, the Muslim has been a sucker and a "useful idiot" to his leaders).

627 2/245c: "It is Allah that giveth (you (Muslims/people*)) want or plenty". Not possible unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

628 2/245d: "- - - to Him (Allah*) shall be your (Muslims'/people's*) return (at the Day of Doom*)". According to the Bible that return will be to Yahweh, not to Allah.

629 2/246a: "They (the Israelites*) said to the Prophet (that was) among them: 'Appoint for us a King, that we may fight in the cause of Allah - - -". The prophet here was Samuel, but Muhammad seems not to have known his name, even though Samuel was one of the great prophets. But according to the Bible this is what they said to him (1. Sam. 8/5): "- - - now appoint a king to lead us, such as all the other nations have". And a bit later (1. Sam. 8/19-20: "We (the Israelites*) want a King over us. Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles". Not a word about fighting for the god (and their god was Yahweh, not Allah - we are now deep enough inside written history for that area to know there was no Allah celebrated and no religion like Islam there.) - and for a good reason; the Israelites were not fighting for the god, but for to establish and then defend a national country for themselves. But Muhammad claimed he needed warriors to fight for Allah each time he went on raids for riches, captives for slaves or extortion, and power, and for his wars, and then it was very convenient that the ones of the older times used the same words - psychology was and is psychology.

As for "the cause of Allah", see 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 29/2 below.

630 2/246b: "They (the Israelites*) said: 'How can we refuse to fight in the cause of Allah - - -". Wrong - see 2/246a just above.

631 2/246c: "- - - the cause of Allah - - -". See 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 29/2 below.

632 2/246d: "But when they (the Israelites*) were commanded to fight, they turned back, except a small band of them". There is not something like this at this time in the Bible. But it may be mixed up with Gideon's expedition against the Midianites earlier. (As for Midianites see Jud. 6/1 above.) There Yahweh ordered him to use just a small force, which Muhammad may have understood like the Israelites did not want to fight. If it is Gideon, he also mixed up the time line one or two generations, as Gideon (Judges chapters 6 - 8) was some time before Samuel.

633 2/246e: "But Allah has full knowledge of those who do wrong". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 16/78 and 29/2 below.

634 2/246f: "- - - do wrong". See 2/21b above.

635 2/247a: "Their (the Israelites'*) Prophet said to them: 'Allah hath appointed - - -". This hardly was what the prophet (Samuel - it is not a sign for good quality of a book that it is low on central details) said. According to the Bible he represented Yahweh, not Allah, and spoke about the Lord Yahweh (1. Sam. 10/24).

636 2/247b: "- - - Talut - - -". In the Bible his name is Saul.

637 2/247c: "They (the Israelites*) said: 'How can he (Saul*) exercise authority over us when we are better fit to exercise authority, and he is not even gifted, with wealth in abundance?" This is how the Bible describes the same scene - Saul's first meeting with his people as a king (1. Sam. 10/24): "Samuel said to all the people (the Israelites*), 'Do you see the man (Saul*) the Lord (Yahweh*) has chosen (for your king*)?' Then the people shouted, 'Long live the King!'"

And Saul is described like this (1. Sam. 9/2): "- - - Saul, an impressive young man without equal among the Israelites - a head taller than any of the others".

On this point it hardly is possible to make the two books more different unless it was done on purpose. But it is well known that Muhammad knew the Bible badly. (And this way he also made Saul's story similar to his own.)

638 2/247d: "Allah granteth His authority to whom He pleaseth". Not possible unless he exists and has authority to do so.

639 2/247e: "Allah careth for all, and He knows all things." Not possible unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). But according to the Bible only Yahweh is as powerful as this.

#640 2/248a: "A sign of his (Allah's*) authority is that there shall come to you (the Israelites*) the Ark of the Covenant - - -". Even overlooking the fact that the Israelites' god was Yahweh, not Allah, this is nonsense if the Bible is not wildly wrong. According to the Bible, this Ark did not "come" to the Israelites, but was made by the Israelites under Moses (2. Mos. 25/10-22) - - - and sometime around 1235 BC, which means some 200 years earlier!! Also see 2/248d below.

641 2/248b: "A sign of his (Allah's*) authority is that there shall come to you (the Israelites*) the Ark of the Covenant, with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron - - -". There is nowhere in the Bible even indicated that things like this ever was inside the ark, except the staff of Aaron. Also see 2/248d below.

##642 2/248c: "A sign of his (Allah's*) authority is that there shall come to you (the Israelites*) the Ark of the Covenant, with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried by Angels". See 2/248a above, even though 2/248c is even more wrong compared to what the Bible tells. But it is well known Muhammad did not know the Bible well. Also see 2/248d just below.

#643 2/248d: "In this (the Ark of Covenance brought by angels and containing relics from Moses and Aaron*) is a Symbol for you (Israelites claimed to be good Muslims at that time*), if ye indeed have faith (are good Muslims*)". Yes, it is quite a symbol for Muslims and Islam that the Quran uses wildly wrong facts as symbols and proofs. It is extremely little likely that the Israelites had forgotten or falsified a delivery by angels - or for that case relics from one of their very greatest heroes - and made a plain carpenter's job out of it like the Bible does - extremely unlikely. This even more so as it had been yet another - and tangible - proof for their connection to their god. Even if this is very long time ago, it is likely the Bible's story about this is correct, as it is part of a strong tradition written down very early.

One small point: In Islam natural pictures are prohibited. But on top of the Ark of Covenance there were the "natural" pictures (sculptures) of 2 angels. Another indication for that Islam was not involved in Moses' religion, and for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

644 2/249a: Saul/Talut by the stream. There is nothing like this concerning Saul in the Bible. Muhammad has mixed this up with Gideon's fight against the Midianites generations earlier (Judges 7/5-8). In addition the story there is more logical. Well, as mentioned other places Muhammad knew the Bible badly. (As for Midianites see 6/1 above.)

645 2/249b: "- - - they (Saul's Israelites*) said: 'This day we cannot cope with Goliath and his forces'. But those who were convinced they must meet Allah, said: 'How oft, by Allah's will hath a small force vanquished a big one? - - -". From the Bible it is clear Saul had not a small force when meeting Goliath. The Bible tells (1. Sam. 17/16) that for 40 days the two armies stood opposite each other without starting the battle. This is something which only can happen if both parts know the enemy is so strong that one my loose the battle, or at least that a victory will be very expensive.

646 2/249c: "- - - by Allah's will - - -". Does not count unless Allah exists and has the power.

#647 2/249d: "Allah is with those who steadfastedly persevere". He is not unless he exists and is a god. But the very thing that Muslims believe so - many even strongly - has a big psychological effect. And in given situations psychology may count and even count much. Therefore all non-Muslims should remember that Muslims are imprinted and imprinted with "patiently persevere, patiently persevere - if you persevere, the opponent or enemy sooner or later tires and you win". Too often this is right.

648 2/250: "- - - prayed (indicated to Allah*) - - -". See 2/3b above.

649 2/251a: "By Allah's will they (the Israelites*) routed them (the Philistines*) - - -". Wrong according to the Bible. There never was a battle and thus no-one was routed. Goliath and David fought a man-to-man fight, and nobody else was involved in the fighting. As said - Muhammad knew the Bible badly.

650 2/251b: "- - - Allah gave him (David*) power and wisdom - - -". Impossible unless Allah existed and was something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides according to the Bible there is no doubt that the god of King David was Yahweh, not Allah, and also from history we know that no god like Allah and no religion like Islam - and no book similar to the Quran - was known in that region at that time.

651 2/251c: "And did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, earth would indeed be full of mischief - - -". In plain words: If people did not fight when one people grew too bossy, the earth would be full of mischief. NT says that if the world was full of love, there would be no mischief. Compare these two yourself.

652 2/251d: "- - - Allah is full of bounty to all the Worlds (plural and wrong - See 26/16 and 65/12b below*)". Not possible - possible - unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). We may also remind you that "Allah's" bounty here on Earth, Muhammad and his Muslims to a large degree stole/looted from their victims, not from Allah.

653 2/251e: "- - - Worlds - - -". Muhammad believed there were 7 worlds (according to Hadiths they were named (see 65/12b below), and placed one on top of the other - easy enough as the worlds are flat)! See 26/16 and 65/12b below. There are no 7 worlds in the Bible.

654 2/252a: "- - - Signs of Allah - - -". See 2/39 and 2/99a above, and 4/140b below.

655 2/252b: "- - - truth - - -". See 2/26 above.

656 2/252c: "- - - verily thou (Muhammad*) art one of the Messengers". Perhaps so - but in case for whom? Two things are sure: As there is no god - no Allah - behind the Quran with all its mistakes, contradictions, etc., Muhammad thus is not the messenger of a god. And if there had been a god involved, the big and deep differences between the religion, the moral, ethical, and judicial codes, etc. in the Bible (and especially NT) and the Quran, it is clear that the old Jewish/Christian god Yahweh is not involved - in spite of Muhammad's never proved claims that Yahweh just was another name for Allah. Then remain the possibilities that if Muhammad was a messenger, it either was for dark forces, for one or more human(s) - f.x. for Muhammad himself - or for a combination of these two. Or for a mental illness - modern medical science suspects he had TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - which can give just the kind of fits and religious illusions it is told Muhammad had. 

Also note how often Muhammad uses the title "Messenger" instead of "Prophet", this even though a messenger - a messenger-boy - very far from can be compared to the heavy and loaded with meaning title "Prophet". (NB: To promote Muhammad Muslims will give you lofty words about how much more a messenger is than a prophet - use your own brain when you evaluate such claims.) Can the reason be that he himself felt uncomfortable or feared too many questions if he too often used a title he obviously did not live up to, as he was unable to make prophesies, and thus not really was a prophet? (Oh, we know some persons like that title, and that there have been made different definitions for what is a prophet, but no person is a real prophet unless he/she is able to make prophesies - if they are unable to do that, they at best are messengers.) Also see 2/87b above.

An extra point: How much do you respect the use of strengthening, but cheap words like "verily", "in truth", "truly", "certainly", etc. for strengthening loose claims, etc.? After all any cheat, deceiver, charlatan, swindler, etc. can use such words free of charge as long as they do not have to prove anything. Besides if your argument or claim is wrong, it does not help to strengthen it - it does not become right anyhow - a zero multiplied by a million still is only a zero (but strengthening might make more people believe, especially the naive ones).

Also see 45/13a below.

657 2/253a: "- - - Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

658 2/253b: "- - - to one of them (the prophets - "messenger" is not used as a title in the Bible*) Allah spoke. According to the Bible Yahweh spoke to several, not one - Abraham, Moses, Samuel, and Jesus, to mention some. A small, but significant difference - significant because direct speaking means closer contact.

659 2/253c: "- - - Jesus, the son of Mary - - -". Muhammad used this expression to underline his never documented, never proved claim that Jesus was not the son of Yahweh. Actually as Joseph was his accepted and official father here on Earth, Jesus' correct name was Jesus, son of Joseph - Jesus ben Joseph (or as Jesus is the Greek form of the Hebrew Joshua: Joshua ben Joseph). But as known Muhammad did not mind the truth too much if twisting the truth gave a better result. We may add that in the Bible Jesus is called the son of Yahweh ca. 90 times, and Yahweh is called the father of Jesus more than 200 times, in both cases often by Jesus himself, and the Quran tells that Jesus was a truthful and reliable prophet.

Another point: AS THE QURAN IN 21/91a CONFIRMS THAT IT WAS THE GOD WHO CREATED JESUS INSIDE MARY, HOW WAS/IS IT THEN POSSIBLE FOR MUHAMMAD, THE QURAN, ISLAM, AND MUSLIMS TO CLAIM THE GOD WAS NOT JESUS' FATHER?? THE ONE CREATING A BABY INSIDE A WOMAN, IS THE FATHER.

A small, but telling curiosa here: According to our sources, the Arab version of the name Jesus/Joshua is Yoshuwa or Yushuwa, whereas the Arab form of the name Esau is Isa. This in case means that when Muhammad talked about Isa, he was talking about Esau (the brother of the Jewish patriarch Jacob), not about Jesus like he believed. No god would make such a stupid mistake. Then who made the Quran? 

660 2/253d: "- - - the holy spirit". This is one of the few times the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the Quran. Beware that as the Quran tells that the angel Gabriel brought messages to Muhammad, but also one or a few times mentions that the Holy Spirit brought him messages, many Muslims draw the logically incorrect conclusion that the Holy Spirit just is another name for Gabriel. It is not clear in the Bible just what or who the Holy Spirit is, but it is very clear that it is something very special, and something more than an angel - nobody reading the Bible with an open mind would ever get the idea that the Holy Spirit = Gabriel. (The Holy Spirit - ruh al-qudus in Arab - is mentioned or likely mentioned in these verses: 2/87, 2/253, 4/171, 5/110, 15/29, 16/102, 17/85, 21/90, 38/72, 58/22, 66/12, 70/4, 78/38, 97/4,and is perhaps referred to in 26/193 and 40/15. (The expression "ruh al-qudus" - which is directly translated to "the Holy Spirit - you will find in 2/87, 2/253, 5/110, and 16/102). We may also mention that because Muhammad claimed that the angel Gabriel brought messages to him, and also that sometimes the Holy Spirit brought him messages, Muslims often claims that the Holy Spirit just is another name for Gabriel, but this is not said in the Quran - and from the Biblical texts such a claim is an impossibility. It is unclear in the Bible what the Holy Spirit really is, but it is very clear it is something much more than an angel. Also see 78/38b - if the Holy Spirit = an angel, 78/38b has wrong grammar. And the Quran has no mistakes?)

The discrete but very central role the Holy Spirit plays in the Bible compared to its near absence in the Quran, is one more of the very strong indications for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

661 2/253e: "- - - Clear (Signs) - - -". See 2/39 and 2/99a above, and 4/140b below.

662 2/253f: "If Allah had so willed - - -". You a number of places in the Quran find that Muhammad boasts about that Allah could have done this and this "if he so willed". It just is the problem that it seems he never willed.

663 2/253g: "- - - Allah fulfilled His plan". This refers to Allah's total predestination - predestinations which all are made according to his Plan nobody and nothing can change. Allah's total predestination and his unchangeable Plan both are totally unknown in the Bible, and each of them are 100% and more profs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

664 2/254a: "Spend out of (the Bounties We (Allah*) have given you (Muslim's*) - - -". Jesus to a degree says the same, but for helping the poor. When Muhammad said so, it was - at least in later years - as much for financing raids and wars.

665 2/254b: "- - - (the Bounties) We (Allah*) provided - - -". Allah could provide nothing unless he exists and was something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved, and there is not one single proved case of Allah providing even a lonesome pea to any hungry child - lots and lots and lots of claims, but not one proved case.

666 2/254c: "Those who reject Faith (Islam*) - they are the wrongdoers". See 2/21b above. The claim is extra doubtful in this case, as there is no god behind a book as full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. as the Quran, and thus no god behind Islam, it is an open question who are wrongdoers and who are not.

Also see 45/13a below.

667 2/254d: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". See 2/21b above.

668 2/255a: "There is no god but He (Allah*) - - -. For He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory)". The Bible says something similar about Yahweh. Only one of the books can be right about this. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Strategm to avoid or circumvent legal prinsiples or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choises, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campained of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguice. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

669 2/255b: "- - - (Allah is*) the Living - - -". This never documented claim - one of Muhammad's nearly innumerable ones - is rather ironic if the reality is that Allah does not exist or is a made up pagan (moon?) god.

670 2/255c: "No slumber can seize Him (Allah*) nor sleep". No wonder if he is non-existing or a made up and/or pagan god - f.x. no non-existing god needs sleep.

671 2/255d: "His (Allah's*) are all the things in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth". According to the Bible this belongs to Yahweh, not to Allah.

672 2/255e: "Who is there who can intercede in His (Allah's*) presence except as He permiteth?" Yahweh can according to the Bible.

673 2/255f: "He (Allah*) knoweth - - -". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

674 2/255g: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 22/3a below.

675 2/255h: "- - - except as He (Allah*) willeth - - -". Allah has no will unless he exists and has a brain, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

676 2/255i: "His (Allah's*) Throne doth extend over the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". According to the Bible only Yahweh has that big a throne.

677 2/255j: "- - - He (Allah*) feeleth - - -". A parallel to 2/255h above.

678 2/255k: "- - - guarding and preserving - - -". Impossible for Allah unless he exists.

679 2/255l: "- - - He (Allah*) is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory)". According to the Bible Yahweh is the top boss, not Allah - according the same book Allah is not even a god, unless he is one of the made up pagan ones.

####680 2/256a: "Let there be no compulsion in religion - - -". This order or wish is one of the flagships for Muslims claiming Islam is a good society also for non-Muslims - though they often quote it "There is no compulsion in religion", like the wish was a fact, to make it sound even better. The irony is that there always was and is compulsion in Islamic area - more or less - towards non-Muslims to become Muslims (not necessarily armed compulsion, but always economical, social, etc. compulsion/pressure), and always and total compulsion towards Muslims to stay Muslims - "you will lose everything and then perhaps be killed if you leave Islam!!"

Another irony Islam and its Muslims never mention, is that this verse is abrogated - made invalid - by some 30 later and harsh verses. Some flagship and slogan to use! And some honesty from the ones using it! But then honesty is not central when it comes to defend or promote Islam - cfr. its rules for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), and stronger.

Irony: Today (15.Feb. 2012) the media told Iran has changed some laws, and from now on hanging is compulsory punishment for leaving Islam in Iran. "Let there be no compulsion in religion". If Islam gains superiority over the world, which is the religion's and the Quran's official goal, this is a possible future for your grandchildren.

681 2/256b: "Truth - - - Error - - -". See 2/26 above.

###682 2/256c: "Truth stands out from Error - - -". This is completely correct - and if you have reasonably good knowledge of things and also are able to do critical thinking, then please read the Quran and see all the errors which stand out there.

683 2/256d: "- - - whoever rejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold - - -". According to the Bible, Yahweh is the most trustworthy hand-hold. Both cannot be true. Besides: Does Allah at all exist? - there is no god behind a book of a quality like the Quran. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jew/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explain away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers). But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or something else central in his religion.)

In addition: When Muslims claim or state things, demand proofs (or dismiss what they claim) - Muslims have no valid proof for any central point in their entire religion.

One question: If Allah belongs to the dark - the evil - forces, what then?

684 2/256e: "- - - Evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

685 2/256f: "- - - (Allah's*) hand-hold, that never breaks". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

686 2/256g: "And Allah heareth and knoweth all things". Not possible unless Allah exists and is a god, neither of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

687 2/257a: "Allah is the Protector of those who have faith - - -". Allah cannot be the protector - or punisher - of anyone unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). If he after all should happen to be a real god, whom he will protect and whom punish, will depend entirely if he and his religion is correctly described among all the errors in the Quran.

688 2/257b: "Of those who reject faith (Islam*) the patrons are the Evil Ones - - -". For one thing: Who is the patron of a religion where there is no god behind their "holy" book? For another the Bible says that the ones the Evil One takes care of, are the ones not believing in Yahweh - and the believers in Allah are not among Yahweh's followers.

This also is one of Muhammad's negative and for Muslims superiority complex inducing characteristics of non-Muslim. Muhammad often use slander against non-Muslims.

Also see 45/13a below.

One small question: If Allah belongs to the dark - the evil - forces, what then? - there are many points in the Quran more fit for the dark forces, than for an honest, good, and benevolent god.

689 2/257c: "- - - light (Islam*) - - -". There is not much light in a suppression and war religion built on a book full of mistakes and worse (f.x. the use of invalid logic and the use of lies), and behind which there is no god.

690 2/257d: "They (non-Muslims*) will be Companions of the Fire (= will end in Hell*) - - -". According to the Bible non-Muslims following Yahweh will be safe, but everybody else - included Muslims - may be in trouble. (If it really is Yahweh who rules a possible next life, Islam is so strongly apocryphal that it is a question how many Muslims he will be able to accept. There are many sects among Jews and Christians, but it will be a strange good and benevolent god if he strongly weight lays f.x. that some believe Jesus only had one nature, whereas others believe he had two, human and divine (though not a god - Jesus himself stated that only Yahweh was a god, and that he himself - Jesus - got his power from him; it is possible to be from royal family without being a king.) But Muslims are so far out from Yahweh's rules, that many will meet problems even in the best case.

Also "Companions of the Fire" is one of Muhammad's many and intended negative - strongly so - names for non-Muslims.

691 2/257e: "- - - to dwell therein (Hell*) (for ever)". But f.x. 6/128c, 11/107a and 78/23 indicate that Hell perhaps is not quite forever (and 11/107a and 11/108 the same for Paradise). In the Bible both Hell and Paradise clearly are forever.

692 2/258a: "- - - one who disputed with Abraham - - -". This story is not from the Bible. From where did Muhammad get it? (The normal Muslim claim is "from Allah", but as the Quran with all its errors, contradictions. etc. is not from any god, that never proved claim is not correct.)

For Abraham also see 2/124a, 2/125a, 2/127a and 2/128a above and 22/78c and 14/37b below.

693 2/258b: "- - - Allah had granted him (Abraham*) power". For one thing Allah could not do this unless he existed and had the power to grant someone power. For another the Bible does not indicate that Abraham had any special powers. And for the third according to the Bible Abraham's god was Yahweh, not Allah.

694 2/258c: "My Lord (here indicated to be Allah*) is He Who giveth life and death". Perhaps Abraham had said something like this if this conversation had ever taken place. But remember that according to the Bible Abraham's god was Yahweh, not Allah.

695 2/258d: "Said Abraham: 'But it is Allah that causeth the sun to rise from the east: do thou then cause him to rise from the west.'" This claim is so easy to answer, that my (the one writing just this) first thought when I read it the first time was: "Did Muhammad really use imbecilities like this?!" - and "Did Muhammad really think his followers would believe a person could be confounded from naivety like this?" But it seems Muhammad knew his uneducated, primitive followers - they did believe in his illogical logic. But more unbelievable: Muslims accept is at face value even today!

One of the easy and obvious answers is: "Prove that you are telling the truth when you claim Allah does this - loose claims are cheap". Anyone not demanding proof for claims like this, is so naive that he should stay out of debates.

696 2/258e: "Nor doth Allah give guidance to a people unjust". Compare this to "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13) - not the same god, not the same religion - and not the same line of prophets.

697 2/258f: "Nor doth Allah give guidance - - -". Allah can give guidance to no-one unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). And in no case he is a reliable guide if he uses a guidebook of a quality like the Quran.

698 2/258g: "- - - a people unjust." One of Muhammad's many slandering names for non-Muslims.

699 2/258h: "- - - unjust - - -". See 2/21b above.

700 2/259a: This story about the dead and then resurrected man is not from the Bible.

701 2/259b: "But Allah causeth him (a man*) to die for a hundred years, the raised him up (again)". It is easy to tell a story like this, but neither Allah nor Muhammad was ever able to prove they had such power - neither such power nor any other kind of supernatural power. Not one proved case is known in the entire world and all the history of mankind. Thousands of claims, but not one proved case - thoroughly demonstrated by Islam's silence about such proved cases.

702 2/259c: "- - - Allah hath power over all things". He in case never provably has showed that power. Besides the Bible tells that the only one who has power over all things, is Yahweh.

703 2/260a: The story of the 4 birds killed and resurrected is not from the Bible. From where did Muhammad get it? (The normal Muslim claim is "from Allah", but as the Quran with all its errors, contradictions. etc. is not from any god, that never proved claim is not correct.)

704 2/260b: "- - - Allah is Exalted in Power - - -". He in case never provably has showed that power. Besides according to the Bible the only one really exalted in power is Yahweh. Also see 16/78 below.

705 2/260c: "- - - Allah is - - - Wise". Not if he delivered the Quran.

706 2/261a: "Allah giveth manifold increase to whom He pleaseth - - -". Two possible ways to understand: If you spend your wealth for Allah (to the poor or to Muhammad for warfare, etc.) you will be well repaid in the next life. Or when some are rich and some are pore, the reason is that Allah will so - Muhammad’s standard explanation for why some (often non-Muslims) were better off than others (often Muslims, at least till Muhammad started as a robber baron in Medina, and the Muslims grew rich).

707 2/261b: "- - - Allah careth for all - - -". Not unless he exists and is a god, neither of which was ever proved.

708 2/261c: "- - - He (Allah*) knoweth all things". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

709 2/262a: "- - - spend - - - substance in the cause of Allah - - -". This expression normally refers to financing Muhammad's raids and wars (rather different from Jesus and NT), but may cover other fields too - here it may refer to normal help to poor people.

710 2/262b: "- - - the cause of Allah - - -". See 2/190a+b and 2/244a above and 29/2 below.

711 2/262c: "- - - for them (Muslims*) their reward is with their Lord (Allah*) - - -". The old and unavoidable fact: Allah can reward - or punish - exactly nobody unless he exists and is a god - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

712 2/262d: "- - - nor shall they (Muslims*) grieve (in the possible next life*)". They will if there is a next life, but no Allah.

713 2/263a: "Allah is free of all wants - - -". Except that he needs sacrifices and worship and lots and lots of praise from insects (compared to Allah as described in the Quran, humans are insects). Plus glorification and adoration. All this is very clear from the Quran. Some god.

"When there is difference between reality and glorious words, I any day believe the reality".

714 2/263b: "- - - He (Allah*) is most Forbearing - - -". See 2/160c above.

715 2/264a: "- - - (those*) who believe neither in Allah nor in the Last Day". There are many believing in a last day - a Day of Doom - without believing in Allah. Most religions have a claimed next life, and in most cases it is split in two - a good and a bad part. It f.x. is easy to believe in Yahweh and a Day of Doom.

716 2/264b: "- - - Allah guideth not those who reject faith (Islam*)". According to the Bible Allah does not guide even the believers in Islam, as it tells Yahweh is the only god - and Yahweh does not believe in Islam according to the Bible. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

717 2/265a: "- - - those who spend their substance , seeking to please Allah - - -". A parallel to 2/262a above, except here it is not indicated for what. Notice that when giving to needy people, the main thing according to the Quran is not that you help fellow human beings, but that you are gaining merit in Heaven. Especially in NT these two purposes are more balanced.

718 2/265b: "- - - to please Allah - - -". How do you do that if he does not exist?

719 2/265c: "Allah seeth well whatever you (people*) do". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

720 2/266: "- - - (his (Allah's*)) Signs - - -". See 2/39 and 2/99a above, and 4/140b below.

721 2/267a: "- - - the fruits of the earth which We (Allah*) have produced - - -". According to the Bible this is done by Yahweh, not by Allah - - - and according to science it is done by nature assisted by the farmer.

722 2/267b: "Allah is free of all wants - - -". Except that he needs sacrifices and lots and lots of praise and worship from insects (compared to Allah as described in the Quran, humans are insects). Plus glorification and adoration. All of this is very clear in the Quran Some god.

When there is difference between reality and glorious words, I any day believe in the reality.

723 2/267c: "- - - Allah is - - - Worthy of all Praise". Please read the surahs from Medina - skip the cheap, glorifying words dictators normally use about themselves, and judge from the far more reliable deeds, demands, introduced codes of conduct, codes of moral, etc. (When there are discrepancies between words and reality, we always believe in the reality.) Do you find he deserves praise? Besides: What for if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god? There are strong circumstantial and perhaps empirical proofs for that he does not exist and in no case is a god.

724 2/268a: "- - - Satan - - -". See 2/168 and 2/208 above.

725 2/268b: "Allah promiseth - - -". Not worth much if he does not exist or for other reasons is not a god - like all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran indicate.

#726 2/268c: "- - - His (Allah*) forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Remember also that even if he had been, whether or not he would forgive Muslims depends on if the Quran has described him and his religion correctly - there is very much which is wrong in the Quran. And on top of all there is the question about if he at all exists - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. And besides: Can he at all forgive? - the Quran many places states that Allah predestines everything long before, and this according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, and to forgive means to change that Plan, which according to the Quran cannot be done. (You of course can say Allah had predestined that you should pray for forgiveness, but then it really is not you, but your puppet-master who prays.)

727 2/268d: "And Allah careth for all - - -". Not possible unless he exists and is a god.

728 2/268e: "- - - He (Allah*) knoweth all things". Not possible unless Allah exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

729 2/269a: "He (Allah*) granteth - - -". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

730 2/269b: "- - - none will grasp the Message (the Quran/Islam*) but men of understanding". This psychological trick Muhammad used now and then: Accept Muhammad's new religion and people will think you are a wise man - and who does not want such a reputation, especially among the unwise, uneducated, and naive ones? Compare this to f.x. Jesus' words that you have to believe like small children to easily find the way to Heaven. (Mark 10/14-15). Also see 16/67c below.

731 2/269c: "- - - Message (the Quran*) - - -". Is it a message? - and in case from whom, as no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran? (3 possible alternatives: 1): The dark forces. 2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). 3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's.)

And no good and benevolent god would be behind acceptance of dishonesty and the harsh, hateful, apartheid religion of war you find in the Quran, especially in the surahs from Medina.

Also see 45/13a below.

732 2/270a: "- - - charity - - -". See 4/77b above.

733 2/270b: "- - - be sure Allah knows it all". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, white or black, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

734 2/270c: "But the wrongdoers (non-Muslims*) have no helpers". At least the ones of them following Yahweh do have according to the Bible.

735 2/270d: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". See 2/21b above.

736 2/271a: "- - - evil - - -". See 2/21b above.

737 2/271b: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with what ye do". The old fact: Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever). Besides: Why then does he have to test even his followers?

738 2/272a: "- - - (O Messenger (Muhammad*)) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

739 2/272b: "- - - Allah sets on the right path whom He pleaseth (according to the Quran he predestines your fate*)". Yahweh sets on the right path anyone who wants and qualify.

740 2/272c: "- - - the right path - - -". According to the Bible the path described in the Quran is a wrong one to say the least of it - like so much in the Quran. (This will be natural if the theory that the dark forces made the Quran, is the right one - though personally we doubt that theory, because not even a devil would make that kind of quality book, if the purpose was to cheat humans to his Hell - he had to know that sooner or later people had to see the errors and understand. Well, there remains the possibility that someone forced him not to do it better, in order to make it easy for man to see the trap.)

741 2/272d: "Whatever good ye (Muslims*) give, shall be rendered back to you - - -". Only possible - possible - if Allah existed and was something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved, and if in addition the Quran with all its errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. and even a few(?) lies, only tells the plain and full truth about this. Also see 16/78 below.

742 2/272e: "- - - ye (people*) shall not be dealt with unjustly". But what is to "deal justly with" for followers of a religion as far from "do against others like you want others do against you" as Islam?

743 2/272f: "- - - unjustly". See 2/21b above.

744 2/273a: "(Charity - - -) - - -". See 4/77b below.

745 2/273b: "(Charity is) for those in need, who in Allah's cause are restricted (from travel) - - -". Here imams, mullahs, and other religious persons seem to be indicated. But there is one group Muhammad and the Quran never, never mention: Persons crippled in Islam's raids and wars. But for a robber baron and a warlord it is no good psychology to talk too much about those. They, too, for natural reasons often were restricted from travel. And they deserved help as much as any mullah.

746 2/273c: "- - - Allah knoweth it well". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

747 2/274a: "- - - (- - - charity) - - -". See 4/77b below.

748 2/274b: "- - - (Good Muslims*) have their reward with their Lord (Allah*) - - -". Not unless he exists and is a god, neither of which was ever proved.

749 2/274c: "- - - nor shall they (good Muslims*) grieve (in the possible next life*)". They will if there is a next life, but no Allah.

750 2/275a: "- - - Allah hath permitted trade and forbidden usury". Allah can neither forbid nor permit anything unless he exists. And as the Quran and all its errors are not from any god, who is who in reality has given the rules in the Quran? - and what are they really worth?

751 2/275b: "- - - usury - - -". This is an ugly, but unclear word in the Quran, as Muhammad never told exactly what he meant with that word. Hadiths tell that it was one of 5 words one of his nearest co-workers wanted to ask Muhammad explain, but then Muhammad died. As a result f.x. all normal interest on money is prohibited because it may be usury (but to circumnavigate the word and take your payment in other ways for money you lend is ok even if it is hypocrisy and cheating the god's rules). The Bible does not prohibit normal and reasonable interest.

752 2/275c: "- - - Satan - - -". See 2/208 above.

753 2/275d: "- - - they (non-Muslims) will abide therein (Hell*) (for ever)". But f.x. 6/128c, 11/107a, and 78/23 indicate that Hell perhaps is not quite forever (and 11/107a and 11/108 the same for Paradise). In the Bible both Hell and Paradise clearly are forever.

754 2/276a: "Allah will deprive - - -". Allah can do nothing unless he exists - and he cannot give or deprive blessing unless he is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

755 2/276b: "- - - usury - - -". See 2/275a above.

756 2/276c: "- - - Charity - - -". See 4/77b below.

757 2/276d: "- - - He (Allah*) loveth not - - -". Allah can neither love nor the opposite unless he exists.

758 2/276e: "- - - wicked". See 2/21b above.

759 2/277a: "- - - righteousness - - -". See 2/21b above.

760 2/277b: "- - - regular prayers - - -". See 2/3b above.

761 2/227c: "- - - regular charity - - -". See 4/77b below.

762 2/277d: "- - - (Good Muslims*) will have their reward with their Lord (Allah*) - - -". Not unless he exists and is a god, neither of which was ever proved - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god.

763 2/277e: "- - - nor shall they (good Muslims*) grieve (in the possible next life*)". They will if there is a next life, but no Allah.

764 2/278a: "Fear Allah - - -". Why so if he does not exist - or for other reasons is not a god?

765 2/278b: "- - - usury - - -". See 2/275b above.

766 2/279a: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his god and platform of power.

Besides:

1. No omniscient god could or would use a vice-king telling lots of wrong facts and other errors, etc. like Muhammad and the Quran do.

2. No omniscient god would use a helpless language where the believers again and again and again have to explain "what the god really means" to explain away errors, contradictions, invalid logic, etc., and especially not so in a book the god himself repeatedly and clearly tells shall be understood literally if nothing else is indicated.

3. No good and benevolent would start a religion run by a vice-king representing suppression, slave taking, rape, apartheid, fascism, murder, and war, like Muhammad.

4. No god of a religion of honesty and truth would use for his vice king a robber baron accepting or even inciting to dishonesty in deeds and words - stealing/looting, extortion, and the use of lies, half-truths, deception, and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a).

767 2/279b: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

768 2/279c: "- - - unjustly - - -". See 2/21b above.

769 2/280: "- - - regular charity - - -". See 4/77b below.

770 2/281a: "And fear the Day (of Doom*) when ye (people*) shall be brought back to Allah". According to the Bible that day is run by Yahweh, not by Allah.

771 2/281a: "And fear the Day (of Doom*) when ye (people*) shall be brought back to Allah".

772 2/281c: "- - - unjustly - - -". See 2/21b above.

773 2/282a: "- - - as Allah has taught him (a scribe*) to write - - -". Hardly done by Allah, and especially so if Allah does not exist.

774 2/282b: "- - - fear his (the debtor*) Lord Allah - - -". Why so if he does not exist - or for other reasons is not a god?

775 2/282c: "- - - if there are not two men, then a man and two women - - -". In the Quran one man has the value and reliability of two women, or may be even more as four women cannot make up for two men. Not so according to Jesus, who respected women. One of the many proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and for that Jesus and Muhammad do not serve the same god or adhere to the same religion, moral code, etc.

776 2/282d: "- - - the sight of Allah - - -". - - - does not exist unless Allah exists.

777 2/282e: "- - - fear Allah - - -". What for if he does not exist and/or is nothing supernatural, white or black?

778 2/282f: "- - - for it is Allah that teaches you (via the Quran*)". As the Quran and all its mistakes are not from any god, who is the real teacher? There only are 3 alternatives:

1): The dark forces. A number of immoral and inhuman points in the Quran may indicate this.

2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Modern medical science suspects this.

3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's. All the mistakes in the Quran believed to be correct science at the time of Muhammad plus f.x. the fact that all material in the book is from Arabia and neighboring area strongly indicates this, and the same does all the times Allah(?) helped Muhammad personally.

There are no other alternatives.

Also see 45/13a below.

779 2/282g: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with all things". Not possible unless Allah exists and is a god, neither of which has ever been proved. Besides: If he knows everything, why then does he have to test even his followers - claims about Allah/Muhammad having to test even good Muslims, f.x. by sending them on raids and into wars, have no meaning if Allah already knows everything, not to mention if he predestines everything like the Quran states several places, and thus can learn nothing from the claimed tests because he has predestined the results himself. (But it does have meaning if the reality was that the "need" for tests just was arguments Muhammad used to get more and harsher and cheap warriors.)

Besides: As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god (and Allah thus only seems to be a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book not from any god + compulsion from their father, forefathers, surroundings, mullahs/imams, etc.): Were they tested by Allah or by Muhammad?

One more fact here: The demand for testing, testing, testing is not found in the Bible. People sometimes were tested, but not maniacally like in the Quran. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

Also see 29/2 below.

780 2/282-283: These verses are not from the Bible. Also notice how much in the Quran is written for Arabia and the conditions there at the time of Muhammad. The book is not written for the world or for all times - the claimed messengers of the old or of f.x. Congo or Siberia or South America of the old, would not find even half the Quran relevant for them, or even understandable. What meant f.x. "camel" or "horse" to a claimed messenger in the old Australia or Amazonas or Nunavut or Greenland? Remember that all cultures and communities in the world and to all times had their messengers according to Muhammad.

781 2/283a: "- - - fear his (a man*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". Why so if he does not exist - or for other reasons is not a god?

782 2/283b: "- - - Allah knoweth all that ye (people*) do". A parallel to 2/282e above.

783 2/284a: "To Allah belongeth all that is in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". According to the Bible this belongs to Yahweh. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, though central points we repeat more often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jew/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on not proved claims (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explain away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

784 2/284b: "Whether ye (people*) show what is in your minds or conceal it, Allah calleth you to account for it". But when he is able to call you to account for it no matter, then why does he have to test and test everybody to - claimed - find out? There exists no logic in this - - - not unless it was an "explanation" Muhammad needed to get more and ferocious and obedient - and cheap - warriors. If this was the case, the logic suddenly is easy to see.

785 2/284c: "He (Allah*) forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punish whom He pleaseth - - -". Whereas Yahweh normally forgives the ones who wishes and qualify. Another thing is that Allah cannot do any of it unless he exists and is a god, neither of which was ever proved. He also cannot forgive without disturbing his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change according to several verses in the Quran.

786 2/284d: "- - - Allah hath power over all things". According to the Bible Yahweh is the only one who has power over all things.

787 2/285a: "The Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 7/157a-c and the other comments under 7/157 below.

788 2/285b: "The Messenger (Muhammad*) believeth in what hath been revealed - - -". But was the Quran really revealed? - in case from whom, as no god ever was involved in a teaching of a quality like Muhammad's? (3 possible alternatives):

1): The dark forces. (A number of immoral and inhuman points in the Quran may indicate this.)

2): A mental illness (like TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy). Modern medical science suspects this.

3): One or more cold human brain(s) - f.x. Muhammad's. All the mistakes in the Quran believed to be correct science at the time of Muhammad plus f.x. the fact that all material in the book is from Arabia and neighboring area strongly indicates this - perhaps combined with alternative 2.

Also see 45/13a below.

789 2/285c: "The Messenger (Muhammad*) believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord - - -". If - if- things was revealed to Muhammad, who then was his "Lord" who in case revealed it, as "revelations" that full of errors, contradictions, self service for Muhammad. etc. - the Quran did not come from a god? See 2/285b just above.

790 2/285d: "We (Allah, Allah's angels, books and messengers*) make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His Messengers". Wrong. According to the Quran everyone make a great distinction between Muhammad and other messengers/prophets. Also the Bible makes distinctions between prophets (the title "messenger" is not used in the Bible - another difference) - and Muhammad is not even indicated in that book (in spite of Islam's claim about the opposite). Also see 7/157a-c below - and for that case the other comments under 7/157.

We may add that in the Quran Muhammad is the top prophet, Abraham number 2, Jesus, Noah, and Moses each number 3, 4 or 5. For a comparison in OT likely Moses is number one and in NT clearly Jesus - in spite of Islam's claims Muhammad is not even mentioned neither in OT nor in NT. (see http://www.1000mistakes.com : "Muhammad in the Bible?")

791 2/285e: "- - - Thy (Allah's*) forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god. Remember also that even if he had been, whether or not he would forgive Muslims depends on if the Quran has described him and his religion correctly - there is very much which is wrong in the Quran. And on top of all there is the question about if he at all exists - and till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. And besides: Can he at all forgive? - the Quran many places states that Allah predestines everything long before, and this according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, and to forgive means to change that Plan, which according to the Quran cannot be done. (You of course can say Allah had predestined that you should pray for forgiveness, but then it really is not you, but your puppet-master who prays.) Irony(?): According to the Bible only Yahweh (and the victim often) can forgive sins

792 2/285f: "- - - to Thee (Allah*) is the end of all journeys". According to the Bible they end with Yahweh.

793 2/286a: "On no soul doth Allah place a burden greater than it can bear". For one thing this is not correct - also in Muslim area things happen because a burden grows too heavy - self murder, murder, divorce, fleeing from home, dishonesty, etc., etc. And for another Allah can do just nothing about it unless he exists and is something supernatural, good or bad, none of which was ever proved. Really the opposite is proved (all errors, etc. in the Quran + no manifestation of Allah ever).

794 2/286b: "Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness". Allah cannot do this unless he exists and is a god - till now he only is a rumor started by Muhammad and kept alive by a book too full of errors, etc. to be from any god. Besides even if he exists and is a god, he cannot forgive anyone, because that will change his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran. According to the Bible the only one who can do this, is Yahweh. (Also see 2/285e just above.)

795 2/286c: "- - - sin - - -". See 2/21b above.

796 2/286d: "- - - Mercy (from Allah*) - - -". See 2/160c above.

797 2/286e: "Thou (Allah*) art our (Muslims'*) Protector - - -". According to the Bible, the only protector is Yahweh. (We comment on just some of these many totally obvious disagreements between the Bible and the Quran. Also beware that the fact that we do not comment on something, does not mean that it does not merit a comment - the point only is too obvious or repeated too often, or we have overlooked it, though central points we repeat rather often. And just to mention it: According to the Bible Yahweh is the true one (and in other religions other gods - and one should here remember that Islam has no more proof for Allah than other religions have for their pagan god(s) (and strong believers in other religions are as sure that their god(s) is/are real, as Muslims are about Allah - but we may mention that if the old books tell the truth about this, there are proofs for the old Jewish/Christian god (and for Jesus' supernatural nature), but for Allah no proof exists, as the claimed "proofs" for Allah without exception are built on other not proved claims only (it also is striking that the Quran demands strong proofs from all opponents and from other religions - and thus state that proofs are valuable and necessary and meaningful - but never gives logically valid proofs itself - Muhammad even avoids and explains away all requests for real proofs, even requests from followers).

Another point: As Muhammad for one thing clearly lies in the Quran (f.x. by saying that miracles will make no-one believe anyhow, and that this was the reason why Allah did not make any miracles), and in addition accepts the use of dishonesty and even broken oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a), the Quran needs extra strong - and many - proofs to be believed - anything not really proved may be one of Muhammad's permitted lies. Therefore remember: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) is not only permitted by Islam, but advised to use "if necessary" to promote or defend "the Religion of Truth", and as Muhammad could use deceit and even broken oaths, it is morally ok to do so and thus of course any Muslim can do the same. But serious: To use and use and use invalid claims and "signs" and "proofs" and arguments, invalid logic, etc. makes one wonder, because such argumentation is a smelly affair, as the use of only such arguments not backed by at least some proved or provable facts, normally is the hallmark of the cheater and the deceiver.

As a "brother" of al-Takiyya and Kitman, etc., we should also mention the tradition for "Hilah": A "device to stop, hinder, or trick - - -. Strategm to avoid or circumvent legal prinsiples or rigid constructs. - - - utilized - - - to solve contradictions between (political powers, cultural choises, etc*) and Quranic principles". (The Oxford Dictionary of Islam). In plain words: ways/tricks of seemingly or formally being honest or correct, while in reality being dishonest or incorrect. It seems that this aspect of "the religion of truth" was first campained of the Hanifi law school, but later utilized also by the other 3 Muslim law schools. "Hilah" is dishonesty in disguice. True honesty is not always central in Islam and among Islam's religious and moral forefront.

And: Like Muhammad it is normal for Muslims in debates to throw never documented or in other ways proved claims around, and then claim/pretend they are valid arguments. Just there and then it may be difficult to disprove such claims - and they "win" the debate. Do not be cheated by such traps - whenever they try this method (and they use it often), demand that they prove their claim or statement (or dismiss what they claim). As there exist no proofs for any of the central religious claims in Islam, and hardly even for the less central ones, they will not be able to prove anything - except perhaps by means of fast talk or new not proved claims, if you are not sharp enough to see through such things.

Also see 45/13a below.

Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)

798 2/286f: "- - - (Allah*) help us (Muslims*) - - -". For one thing Allah can help nobody unless he exists, and little unless he in addition is something supernatural, good or bad. For another there never anywhere in the world was even on single proved case of Allah helping anyone at all. (Guess if Islam and its Muslims had told you if even one such case had existed!).

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This work was uploaded with assistance from M. A. Khan, the author of Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery, and the editor of islam-watch.org website.