Bible versus Quran -- 1000+ Differences & Contradictions
02 Sept. 2012
The Quran: Its Divergence from the Bible
Included in this part of the study are BIBLICAL TEXTS WRONGLY QUOTED IN THE QURAN, NOT REALLY FROM THE BIBLE, OR IN OTHER WAYS COLLIDING WITH THE BIBLE'S TEXTS AND/OR INTENDED MEANING. Plus other quotes and comments on the differences between the two books and the religions.
Points where the texts of the Bible and the Quran directly or indirectly differs.
What points in the Quran tells the Bible says, and what the Bible really says.
"Biblical" texts without background in the Bible. Also other points explained for people not knowing the Quran (and the Bible) and their background well.
Points relevant for understanding the differences between the texts of the Bible and the Quran.
Points explained for people not knowing well the Bible or the Quran and their moral and ways of thinking.
If there are points we have not commented on, this does not mean it could not deserve a comment.
The "Biblical" parts of the Quran are among the apocryphal scriptures - among the extreme ones (or further out).
In Part III the texts are from the Quran, and the texts are written in the same order you find them there. NB: OUR LIST IS NOT COMPLETE - read the Quran and you will find more. The quotes are from A. Yusuf Ali's translation to English, if nothing else is said.
You will find that much of the stuff in this part of the "book" is similar to in "1000+ Comments on the Quran", but there the main thing is fact-finding, whereas in this "book" the religious aspects/facts come more to the fore - but when you are comparing 2 claimed holy books, also this is fact-finding (this book is not proselytizing, but as said fact-finding - we are not religious people, which most likely you can see from our writing).
The Quranic quotes are from Abdullah Yusuf Ali: "The Holy Quran" if nothing else is specified. Yusuf Ali according to Islam is one of the 3 best translators of the Quran to English - perhaps the very best.
1: BEWARE THAT THERE ARE THINGS SO OBVIOUSLY CONTRADICTED OR TOLD DIFFERENTLY IN THE BIBLE - F.X. WHO MADE THE EARTH, WHO CREATED MAN, ETC., THAT WE DO NOT BOTHER TO COMMENT ON IT EACH TIME. ALSO: WE SEVERAL PLACES POINT TO THAT TEXTS ARE NOT FROM THE BIBLE. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT PLACES WE DO NOT SAY SO, ARE FROM THE BIBLE. Actually nothing or at least nearly nothing really is from the Bible. It is likely Muhammad never saw a Bible in his whole life, and the old Jewish scriptures at least not before after he came to Medina, if ever. For this reason the "Biblical" parts of the Quran are not from the Bible, but from Biblical legends, made up apocryphal books/verbal stories, folklore, and even fairy tales. (F.x. Luqman - Ch. 31 - is a fictive wise man from old Arab fairy tales.) There also other points which stand out:
2: The word "Sign" - which in the Quran indicates "this is a proof for Allah" - and sometimes "Proof" are used very many places in the book. It is clear Muhammad is very conscious that nothing is proved in his tales, and compensates for this by claiming that natural phenomena are proofs for his stories and for his god. But because he never first proves that these phenomena really are caused by Allah, they are totally worthless as signs, not to mention as proofs, for anything at all - "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion", and Muhammad’s "facts", or rather claims, that Allah has caused this and this and this is never proved - any believer in any religion can make just the same claims free of charge on behalf of his/her gods, as long as one can evade all requests for proofs like Muhammad did. Thus the many "signs" and fewer "proofs" are entirely without meaning or value, but they show something: Muhammad meant that to prove things were essential and had value, and tried this way to do so - and with naive, primitive, and uneducated (and later generations brainwashed and full of urge to believe and with no wish to think things critically over) he to a large degree succeeded making them believe that this really were proofs.
But who is it who resorts to made up and invalid - and an intelligent man like Muhammad knew that at least some of them, likely all were invalid - arguments and "signs" and proofs? The cheat and deceiver, the swindler and charlatan.
3: Then there is the word "the Truth" and similar. It must be used 100 - 200 times or more in the Quran. And it is claimed "truths", not proved "truths". But who is it who are most eager to impress and impress how truthful he is? According to our experiences during long lives it again is the cheat and deceiver, the swindler and charlatan.
4: And one point: Our "book" "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" - http://www.1000mistakes.com - gives empirical and circumstantial proves enough to prove many times over and beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt that the Quran is not from any god. No omniscient god delivers a book of that quality, overflowing of mistaken facts and other mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, unclear points, helpless constructions, clumsy explanations or statements (at least according to Muslims who have to "explain" they mean something else, in order to "explain" away mistakes and difficult points), etc. and even a few(?) lies - only the "wrapping paper", the Arab linguistics, is ok. This means that Muhammad's religion is a made up one, and also that there is less than an infinitesimal chance for that Allah exists (and if he does, there is no chance for that an after all small book - a little smaller than NT - containing unbelievable perhaps 3ooo mistakes, etc., describes him correctly). This even more so as Allah never in any way provably has proved or manifested himself inside or outside the Quran - guess if Islam had told about it if even one proved case, anywhere or any time, had happened!!
Is there a reason for thoughts about what will happen to Muslims if there is a next life, and especially if it is run by a good and benevolent - not only claimed like Allah, but really - god not accepting Muhammad's religion of dishonesty (f.x. al-Taqiyya, Kitman, even broken words/promises/oaths (2/225a, 5/89a, 16/91b, 66/2a)), stealing/looting, suppression, discrimination, rape, initiating of distaste and hate, slave taking, murder, etc.? Is there a reason for thinking over what may happen to Muslims if this should happen to be the case?
5: There also are very many places where Muhammad claims Allah has done or will do this and this - things impossible if Allah does not exist and/or is not a god, and often it also depends on if he is correctly described in the Quran, and/or if he is a good and benevolent god like the Quran claims, or really is the harsh god of war which is the reality in the Quran when you take away the nice propaganda words.
We point to many of these places, because the facts there are so essential, but far from all.
6: THERE ALSO ARE POINTS REPEATED TOO OFTEN IN THE QURAN FOR US TO COMMENT EACH TIME. AN EXAMPLE IS ALL THE VARIATIONS OF "ALLAH SAID", "ALLAH DID", "ALLAH WANTED", ETC., ETC. FOR US AND FOR YOU IT WOULD BE TOO BORING IF WE EACH TIME SHOULD REPEAT THE FACT: "THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE UNLESS HE EXISTS AND IS SOMETHING SUPERNATURAL, FROM ABOWE OR BELOW, NONE OF WHICH WAS EVER PROVED - ON THE CONTRARY THERE ARE STRONG CIRCUMSTANTIAL AND EMPIRICAL PROOFS FOR THAT HE IS A MADE UP GOD" - well, we already have repeated similar too often in our texts (skip the repetitions you do not need), and as points like these are easy for any reader to see, we have chosen not to comment on such points every time. The same for a number of other repeated easy to see and loose claims - f.x. claims about the reason for that many did not believe his new religion, was that they preferred a good life on earth (the reality was that many saw things were very wrong in Islam - and Muhammad also never explained how life could be richer outside a religion which permitted looting, extortion, slave taking, murder of opponents, etc.).
7: Remember here that Muhammad without the tiniest proof or documentation claimed that the reason for differences between the Bible and the Quran was that the Bible was (claimed) falsified. Both science and even more so Islam (as they have searched harder) thoroughly have proved that this claim is not true, by being unable to find one single falsification among the some 300 known copies or fragments of the Gospels, the some 12ooo known copies or fragments of other Biblical scriptures, and the some 32ooo other manuscripts or fragments with quotes from or relevant references to the Bible (the numbers may vary some from one source to another, but the main thing; there are many), all older than 610 AD = before there was any reason to falsify Muhammad and his religion out of the Bible. NB: To distinguish God from Allah We use God's name from the old books: Yahweh.
A small curiosum here: As Islam claims each prophet/messenger got a copy similar to the Quran, and as Hadiths tell there were 124ooo prophets/messengers through the times and all over the world, there must have been at least 124ooo copies of the Quran around, plus all the copies written from these ones. No-one knows how many copies there ever existed of the Bible older than 610 AD, but far fewer - mainly because they were 4-5 times as big as the Quran, and thus 4-5 times as expensive - handwritten books naturally were very expensive - and no 124ooo free copies from the god like the Quran. All the same there exist some 12ooo manuscripts (mostly of parts of the book) or fragments from the Bible + some 32ooo manuscripts or fragments with references to or quotes from texts in the Bible. For a comparison there does not exist even one fragment or one reference or one quote from the Quran or a similar book in the entire world older than 610, AD when Muhammad started his new religion.
Believe in the claim that the Quran (or similar) is a book older than 610 AD (really a little later) if you are able to.
8: Thought provoking: "What is claimed without a proof, can be dismissed without a proof". Also remember: "A strong claim needs a strong proof", "Big words are too cheap to prove anything without a proof", and "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". And: "The Quran is so full of errors, etc. and at least some lies, and Muhammad's view on dishonesty as a working tool so clear, that the Quran's words are not proofs without additional documentation". Also note that Muhammad all too often "forgot" - and Muslims "forget" - that "perhaps a possibility", "a possibility", "a probability", "likely", "a fact", "a proof", etc. are different words with different meanings, and consequently call possibilities they like, facts or proofs - just keep your eyes and ears open, and see how often this is the case. (Muhammad never gave a valid proof for any of his central religious claims. Never. And the "Signs" (read "proof") and "proofs" he often claimed, without exception are invalid, because he never first proved that it really was Allah who was behind the phenomena Muhammad claimed proved Allah or anything else central in his religion.)
9: Muslims often claim that the Quran is plain and easy and not to be misunderstood. Ask them to please read Islamic commentary books on the Quran, and find out how much really is unclear in the Quran. F.x. Muhammad Asad: "The Message of the Quran" (even though the last English edition is "corrected" a little by eager Muslims), or Abdullah Yusuf Ali: "The Meaning of the Quran" - both highly recommended by Islam, and easy to read. Much is unclear in the Quranic texts.
10: There are hundreds and hundreds and many more mistakes in the Quran. But when you point to them Muslims and Islam claim you are misunderstanding, or this is a parable, or something, and want to explain it away - often with very peculiar arguments or claims. But when there are may be 3ooo+ mistakes in such an after all small book, and a book claimed to come from a omniscient god who should be able to express himself clearly, and a god who on top of all several places in the Quran states that the texts are plain, easy to understand, and shall be understood literally if nothing else is said - when all this, how is it possible for a rational mind not to start questioning the dogma about the perfect text from a perfect god? To explain away one or two or five mistakes, is one thing, but to claim that a perfect and omniscient god is so clumsy and unable to express himself clearly 3ooo+ times over a few hundred pages? To be able to believe this tells a lot about man's ability to delude himself, and for religious persons to believe not because of something being true, but in spite of things being proved seriously wrong (Logic(?): "We know something you do not know" (often wrong - the opponent frequently knows more), or: "You dislike us, and then your facts are wrong". Etc.) Proofs often do not count at all for blindness, fanatics, or wishful thinking. (Besides for many it is too hard to face the fact that central "truths" in their lives may be wrong.)
11: Muslims debating - or thinking - often do not know, or at least do not admit or use, the difference between words like "possibility", "probability", "indication", "likely", "fact", "proof" etc. In debates and "information" pages one all too often finds that a claim or a real fact which is a possible argument for something, very quickly becomes a "proof". F.x. in Syria one found a clay tablet with the name Iram. Muslims at once shouted that here the Quran was proved right. But the only thing the tablet proved, was that somewhere there had existed a place named Iram. It may be possible or even probable that it was the Iram mentioned in the Quran, but this far from was proved. And what definitely was not proved, was that the Quran's somewhat fanciful story about Iram's people (the 'Ad) and their life and death had much with reality to do. Or Muhammad in the Bible: The word "brother" has one literal meaning and one figurative. And because it has one figurative meaning, Muslims claim Moses talked about Muhammad in a speech he made to and about his fellow Israelites in very literal words (and used the word more than a dozen times, clearly meaning their fellow Israelites). John 14/16 (also in 14/26, 15/26, 16/7) is even more hopeless: Jesus promises his disciples a helper (the Holy Spirit, also named the Spirit of Truth), but Muslims claim he meant Muhammad - - - who was born some 500 years after the disciples were dead, and thus definitely could not help them, and on top of all a man believing in the use of dishonesty as a working tool. Some helper! And some Spirit of Truth!
Verse 7/157a through g is very central for "what was Muhammad really?"
BUT REMEMBER: MOST MUSLIMS ARE PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU AND ME, WITH THE SAME KINDS OF WISHES AND DERAMS AND LONGINGS FOR A GOOD AND PEACEFUL LIFE. NO MUSLIM IS TO BE RECKONED AN ENEMY OR TERRORIST JUST BECAUSE HE IS A MUSLIM, AND SHOULD BE JUDGED JUST LIKE OTHERS, UNTIL THE OPPOSITE IS PROVED OR AT LEAST UNTIL THERE IS A GOOD REASON FOR SUSPICION. According to Muslim numbers on the Net, only 1% is activists, terrorists, or potential such, and this number sounds correct (but 1% = 12 million). In addition there are the ones having sympathy with and/or helping them, f.x. with money (there are indications for that this amounts to perhaps 30% of Muslims, but many of them in backward Muslim areas). There also is the problem that it is difficult or impossible for us to know who is who - good or bad - so that taking a little care may be ok, but remember: Most of them are just like other people.
Some central questions
The verses and the comments starts just below.
1. How can one combine 100% predestination by Allah like the Quran states several places, with (even partial) free will for man?
2. How can prayers for f.x. betterment in life (or death) have any effect in Islam, if Allah has predestined every detail in your life according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change? - betterment will change that Plan, and is thus impossible.
3. The same for forgiving - it will change Allah's unchangeable Plan, and is thus impossible.
4. If Allah is omniscient and knows everything like the Quran states MANY places, why then does he have to test and test even his followers, and what can he learn when he already knows the answer? The point is even more meaningless when you add the fact that the Quran states that he predestines every detail in your life, and thus it is he who decide - on beforehand - what the result of the test will be. (But the logic is easy to see if this just was an argument for Muhammad to get more and wilder and obedient warriors and other followers.)
5. There are many "degrees" in Paradise according to the Quran - at least 4 or 6 or more gardens (according to Hadiths - at least 4 according to 55/46+62 in the Quran) with Firdaws as the best, and then there are the higher heavens. The Quran further states that you in Paradise will have your family - and houris - around you. But how is it possible for all in an extended family to qualify for just the same place - "grade" - in paradise?
6. Muhammad claimed the Bible is falsified. How was it possible to decide on what to falsify, what new texts to use, to make Jews and Christians and sects agree on what and how to falsify, how was it possible to make f.x. believing bishops agree to falsifications (as easy as making believing ayatollahs agree to falsification of the Quran), how to evade contradictions when things were falsified, how to find and to falsify each and every of likely some hundred thousand (some 44ooo older than 610 AD is known even today) manuscripts spread over 3 continents in times with slow and difficult communications, how to make every falsification so perfect that modern science cannot find anything - the scratching, different ink, different hand-writing, etc. - and not least how to hide such an enormous conspiracy which needed literally thousands of conspirators, so that nobody ever discovered the swindle? Islam claims the Bible is falsified, but as normal for their central claims, they have been unable to find even one proved falsification. And not least: This enormous operation - for what reason? (The Quran's easy reason; a better life on Earth, does not hold water - for a good life on Earth the Quran was better fit with its permission to use dishonesty, robbing, extortion, etc.
7. How is it possible to believe that an omniscient god who says his words are clear and to be understood literally, is so clumsy and helpless in expressing himself, that clever Muslims have to explain away hundreds and more mistakes, by "explaining" what his words "really" means? Somewhere bells should start ringing.
8. If a god created you, he also created your brain, and hardly just for filling the space between your ears. How is it then possible to listen to the ones telling you not to use this extremely valuable gift from your god(?) - "do not think, just believe - and believe what just I tell you, even though there is much wrong in what I say, and not a single proof"? - and this for something as essential as the possible eternity? You would not even by a second hand car on those premises - but for the whole perhaps next life to accept gambling on blind belief, without even checking - not if the tales are true, but not even if there is a possibility for that they may be true - that you would do?! - without using the second most valuable gift the possible god gave you!
9. Another point concerning predestination: How is it possible to combine f.x. Allah's claimed predestination of your death with the laws of chaos? Even if your death was only ten minutes later because you run away from a battle or 100 meters away because you stay at home, for one thing this means you have changed Allah's Plan, but easier to prove: Even such small changes would mean that clairvoyance, at least into a little distant future would be impossible - the laws of chaos would see to that, because changed start easily gives changed effect. This especially so if you take into account the so-called "butterfly effect" - that small things sometimes have big effects, and the accumulated effect of the many small discrepancies caused by a small change in the start easily may be big. By far big enough to make full predestination impossible.
Something to think over? (This is - or at least should be - such a thought provoking fact, that we repeat it here.)
(Translated from the Scandinavian scientific magazin "Illustrert Vitenskap" ("Illustrated Science"), no. 6/2012, p.72):
"Religious fanaticism hardly really is a real psychical illness - and it at least is not a form of psychopathy which shows itself by anti-social behavior (with some exceptions*). Religion builds just on "pro-social" behavior, which just means a behavior based on backing up their community and to help others.
However, there is no doubt that the reward center of the brain and dopamin play a big role role in the practising of all kinds of religion. Prayers and other kinds of religious acts activates the reward center of the brain's frontal lobe, which has direct contact with the reward center, and patients with psychological illnesses like schizophrenia and OCD - which among other things is caused by augmented dopamin (dopamin is a chemical which in the brain makes you feel good and satisfied*) activity in the reward system - often grow more religious during their illness.
In addition must be mentioned that anti-psychotic medicine which lowers the brain's dopamin activity, often makes religious patients loose their interest for religion. Scientists even have found that there is a connection between the strength of one's belief and mutations in the gen for the brain's dopamin receptors - and that the same mutation also raises the probability for that one engages in risky behaviour like hazard games and such things (included terrorism?*)".
In plain words: Religion, or at least the strength of one's belief, may be a result of brain activity and inherited gens, and not a reality. And not least that religious fanatism - like you f.x. find a lot of in some Muslim societies and organisations - may be caused of abnormal dopamin conditions in the brain of the persons. Add this to the fact that the Quran favours and idealizes religious fanaticism, and you have a condition not worty any good and benevolent religion. But a condition very convenient for militant members - and leaders - in a militant war religion like f.x. the Islam you find in the Quran, where war and the warrior are the topmost idol. (Luckily Islam today is the only surviving war religion - if you do not add some radical political, etc. movements where the ideology is of religious strength.)
It should be a reason for thinking - at least before starting killing people - that religion may be an integrated part of some peoples' brain, not a reality. Or at least that abnormal conditions in the brain and not the possible god is the reason for religious fanaticism and misdeeds.
Terrorists: Is it an imbalance of the dopamin production or reception in your brain and not your god which makes you want to kill or terrorize? It is documented by science that this may be a cause. If there anywhere really is a good and benevolent god, he will not find that terrorizing and killing are good or benevolent deeds, no matter what the Quran says about this (remember here that no god ever was involved in a book of a quality like the Quran and all its mistakes and worse).
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This work was uploaded with assistance from M. A. Khan, the author of Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism and Slavery, and the editor of islam-watch.org website.