JIHAD - «HOLY WAR», THOUGH TOO OFTEN UNHOLY WAR (for riches, booty, rape, slaves, power and spreading Islam by compulsions like weapons, suppression, "berufsverbot" ("no good jobs for you"), social stigma, pogroms, etc., etc.) - IN THE QURAN, IN HADITHS, AND IN ISLAM. A DUTY FOR ALL MUSLIMS THEN, NOW AND FOREVER - AND THE EASY WAY TO PARADISE

1000+ Comments, claims about the duty of war - and the easy way to Paradise - etc. in the war religion Islam. (Comments from Hadiths will be added in 2010 AD).

Comments in this book numbered by 3 numbers (included 00 or 0) a few places followed by one small letter = clear cases. Comments numbered by 00 or 0 followed by 1, 2 or 3 letters (big or small) = likely cases.

PART V: SOME AFTERTHOUGHTS

Part V, Chapter 20

MUSLIMS TRYING TO REFUTE OR DISCREDIT http://1000mistakes.com - BY HOLY OR UNHOLY MEANS

www.1000.mistakes.com now (autumn 2009 AD) have been on the net one year.

The first reactions we got from Muslims, were statesments - not documented - about how wrong we were, plus a number of claims - not documented - about what they said were right. Which was not right.

This was closely followed by death warnings. It is better to kill the bringer of facts you do not like, than to think things over - - - and perhaps have to question some of your old beliefs. Beliefs built on nothing but what others have told you without proving or documenting anything. Beliefs in reality built only on the words of a man who according to Islam was a thief/robber, extorter, womanizer, paedophil, enslaver, torturer, rapeist, torturer, murderer, mass murderer, hate-monger, war-monger, a man who institutionalized al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth), a man who had as a slogan that "war is deceit" (Muhammad Ibn Ishaq) and who declared that he would break even his oath if that gave better results, not to mention a man who liked power - you find all this in the Quran and in the Sahih hadiths.

Such threaths tell volumes about how peaceful the war religion Islam - also claimed to be "the Religion of Peace" - is.

The next step was that references to www.1000mistakes.com were blocked on many Muslim Internet pages - even on pages for debate. According to the Quran you shall not discuss subjects which can give you second thoughts - blind beilef and listening to undocumented "right" claims are much better.

Then something interesting happened this spring (2009): Islamic organisations sent out under cover warnings about 9 dangerouse Internet pages - but of course there was a leak and it ended on Internet. On that list was www.1000mistakes.com - and it was one of only 3 pages they neither called "hate pages" nor claimed that the facts were wrong. They only warned strictly against the page, because it may cause especially new recruits to Islam loose their faith.

Interesting for 2 reasons: 1). That is just the group we primarily try to reach. 2). The warning shows that the page bites.

And now we have discovered a new turn of the screw: Internet pages trying to refute www.1000mistakes.com .

F. ex. one poor soul is screaming: "Where has this site been refuted? - is there a muslim brother who refuted these points or the website?".

Now one thing is to scream for help to fint out what is the truth. But if you only scream for refuting, you get just the answers you deserve - and especially if you call only more or less explainers-away-of-painful-realities.

And there are soothing answers. Answers typical for some groups of Muslims: A lot of words, but loose words. A lot of explaining that this must be understood differently because the plain meaning is not what the Quran really means. A lot of claims for that this and this clear meaning, has a hidden meaning - is an allegory or something - that is the real meaning - - - this in spite of that Allah in the Quran states that the book has a clear and easy text with clear meanings, and that only the ones sick of heart look for hidden meanings because those only Allah can understand. I. e. Allah tells that the meanings the Quran clearly express, are what the Quran means are the correct ones.

But to call wrong information allegories, etc. all the same is one of the most used Islamic last resorts to explain away the unexplainable and the wrong - you meet it very often.

Here also is an intersting and most telling fact to be observed: Muslims in such cases do not always (to say the least of it) check their information very well - neither when "explaining" nor when listening. As long as the explanation or explaining away on the surface may look ok, it is told with a straight face that "this is the truth" - not even "it may be like this", but "it is like this" - and accepted with few questions, but with relief, by the pious listeners who wants and wishes it to be true.

Yes, we had nearly forgotten this Muslim other speciality: To use not quite correct scientific facts and not quite corredt logic.

We are not going heavily into this now, though we will use a little of it in the chapter about doubtful techniques of debate used by Muslims when debating Islam that will come in the next - and last - edition some time in 2010 AD (the complete edition).

1. Honestly he/she who calls not for the truth in such a serious question as religion, but only for refuting facts one does not like, deserves what answers he/she gets.
2. He/she who blindly believes and abstain from trying to find out what is the truth and not only what the old ones have told me, and what I concequently wish for to be true, deserves to wake up in a next life - if such one exists. Especially if he or she was wrong and wakes up the wrong place.
3. And he or she who on top calls to more or less professional explainers-away-of-true-information, even more gets what answers they deserve - even to the second power.
4. And persons who believe such explainings-away without checking each and every piece of undocumented claims, even though they know how dishonest Muslims can be in such cases, and knowing that al-Taqiyya and Kitman are not only permitted, but compulsory in such cases if it is necessary to defend or forward the religion, deserves it even more - we do not even know to which power.

We give you stright information, and tell you where and what to look for. Check it if you want to search for the truth. If you only want to strengthen your wishful thinking, then call for Refuting. And we do not wish to squander time on such things - at least not now. Perhaps when this book is finished some time in 2010 AD. If you have the necessary brainpower, then check our information and facts and think yourself. If you only want to strengthen your wishful thinking - right or wrong - then call for some more or less honest "big brother" to explain the disturbing facts - but facts - away for you.

Well, as said we will use some of the "flowers" of the explaining away and "refuting" in our future chapter about unserious and dishonest debate of Islam and other religions from Muslims. But we add a few here to show the level of the "refuting":

1. One takes an inheritance and manages to get the parts to become = 1. And voila, there are no questions about the laws of inheritance in the Quran - - - no matter the fact that Muslim lavyers make good money on all the problems these laws make. Invalid logic.
2. Muhammad foretold in the Gospel after John. This we have debated in the chapter about Muhammad in the Bible, and will not repeat it here - see that chapter. But it tells many booklets that Islam has been unable to find a better claim than this: When Jesus promised his apostles a helper - the Spirit of Truth - that would come to help them and be with them and be in them and be invisible to the world, he "must have meant Muhammad" - who was born 500 years after they were dead, was not with them,was not in them, was far from invisible to the world when ha finally was born - - and was very far from a spirit of truth (the real Muhammad was far from the semi-saint Muslims like to claim).
3. The Quran talks about 7 heavens "one on top of the other". One of the dear explainers away stealtily transforms that to 7 universes even though the Arab word for universe is not used here. We must remind him that they are kept up there by invisible pillars, according to the Quran. And f. ex that the mooh is between the heavens - in this "translation" that means that at least one universe - not only a heaven, but a universe is between us and our Luna - our moon. Simply one more of many Muslim fantasy ad hoc "explanations" where someone without much knowledge or plenty of al-Taqiyya think they have found a GOOD IDEA and then fall flat because they forget some aspects of the picture: Her f. ex. the missing Arab word for universe, the hopless inbesility in claming that at least one universe then has to be placed between us and the moon. Not to mention it is totally un-scientific - scientists studying astronomy have many strange ideas, but not one single of them has ever aired a theory like this. This explainer-away had better produse at least a small proof for his transforming "heaven" to universe, etc. .
4. Then there is the good old Big Bang theory disused once more - see our list of mistakes. To connect the Big Bang to 21/30 is only possible when talking to people knowing nothing about astronomy.Another loose claim without documentation - and in strong contradiction to science.
5. "If the Earth was nearer the sun, the temperatur woul raise sharply." Wrong. It would raise slowly - and the habitable zone atound our sun IF THE OTHER CONDITIONS WERE FAVORABLE (this is how astronomers define this expression) runs from a little inside Venus to past Mars - the margins are roomy.
6. "If the Earth did not spin, the oceans would empty all their water". Not even rubbish. The only effect would be a bit lower near equator, and a little higher near the poles. Besides: Where should it go when the oceans enptied themselves? - it is permitted to use ones brain. (The only case where the water perhaps - perhaps - would disappear is is the Earth had a spin of one time a year, and in such a way that the same side all the time faced the sun ("locked" spin). Water would then settle as ice and snow on the far side compared to the sun. Buth whether all of it would stay there as ice, would depend on if the spin was completely locked, or if it wobbled, and on how much water a planet has - if it has much, the layer of ice will become thick, and slowly start to move, and the only place it could move, was towards lower places = towards places the ice has disappeared - and disappears - because it has melted to water.)
7. "The Earth's inclination (tilt) is 33 degrees." Wrong by far. It at present is 23.4 degrees, but varies a few degrees slowly over the years - though never 33 degrees.
8. "The seasons that are the result of Earth's inclination makes habitation possible". More rubbish - f. ex. there are huge habitations in the tropics where there are nearly no seasons in the meaning big changes of temperature (which is what the inclination causes). It is permitter to use one's brain.
9. If there was no inclination (tilt) "the poles would be in constand darkness and cold and the water would freeze there and disappear from the other places" (at least the meaning is correctly quoted, if not the words). Rubbish.
   1. There are two effects that would descide the light on the poles in that case. One is the geometry: A big lamp will cause twilight or may be very early morning light on the poles of a small ball in such cases.
   2. Add the refraction - the bending of light in the atmosphere - and the sun would be low on the horizon ON BOTH POLES AT THE SAME TIME. Which means the poles both would have permanent daylight in case, exactly the opposite of the argument from our esteemed explainer-away. Check with yout professor of physics if you do not believe it.
   3. And as for all the water becomming ice at the poles - is there any explainer-away that knows why this will not happen? After all nature has proved time and again that this does not happen - each and every geological ice period has proved this, even the giant "Snowball Earth" 700 million years ago - as said it is permitted to use your brain and combine it with your knowlwdge. The reason is very simple, but does any of the either low intelligent or al-Taqiyya explainers-away know why the claim is wrong?

Well, this is enough for now. We are going to slaughter a little bit more some of the Islamic disuse of logic and of scientific facts and lack honesty/use of al-Taqiyya in debates in the chapter about Muslim debates, that will come together with the other last chapters some time during 2010 AD.

But just one small thing:

The Quran tells that Allah is omnipotent and omniscient. It also tells that Allah is reliable and intelligent. And Allah tells in the Quran he has sent down a book that is plain and easy to understand - with plain language. He also tell that it is to be understood literally - it is only for Allah to look for the hidden meanings (yes, and for the ones "with an illness in their heart").

Do you really believe that such a god under such circumstances have such big probems with finding the correct words to conway exactly what he means? - and that mere humans time and again and again and again have to help him and explain what he "really" means? Hundreds of times in such an after all small book?

If you really are able to believe such a thing - from naivity or wishful thinking - then your brain either is so empty or so lazy that you really deserve the answers explainers-away are able to conjure up.

But it is heresy and an insult towards any god and his brain.

NB: If you find any mistakes anywhere, please inform us. If it is a real mistake, it will be corrected.

NB, NB, NB:

1. Read first the 2 small chapters "Some Essentials for how the Quran is to be read and understood" (VII-10-1) and "The Quran is to be understood literally if nothing else is indicated" (VII-10-2).

2. www.1000mistakes.com is blocked by many Muslim authorities. To debate with persons in such areas, cut and paste what you want from the pages and send it under titles different from www.1000mistakes.com .

3. www.1000mistakes.com is one of 9 pages which Muslim organisetions warned especially against in 2008 and 2009 - it could make especially procelytes lose their belief in Islam; correct and "down-to-the-earth" information works. In this connection it is worth noting that in the "warning" www.1000mistakes.com was one of 3 which neither was accused of bringing wrong facts, nor of being a hate page.

4. Comment 141 (to verse 6/149) in “The Message of the Quran” (see point 5) explains (translated from Swedish) about Allah's claimed omniscience vs. man's claimed free will:

“With other words: The real connection between Allah’s knowledge about the future (and consequently about the unavoidable in what is to happen in the future*) on one side and man’s relatively (!!*) free will on the other – two statements that seems to contradict each other – lies outside what is possible for humans to understand, but as both statement are made from Allah (in the Quran*) both must be true”. Unbelievable. Blind belief is the only correct and intelligent way of life, even in the face of the utterly impossible!!

5. And an afterthought: In the book “The Message of the Quran”, certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy in Cairo (one of the 2-3 top universities in the Muslim world on such subjects) in a letter dated 27. Dec. 1998, it is admitted rather reluctantly that there are no proofs for Allah, and that it is not possible to prove him. An additonal point here is that if there is no proof for Allah and impossible to prove him, automatically there also is no proof for, and impossible to prove Muhammad's claimed connection to a god. And if there is no Allah and/or no connection between Muhammad and a god, what then is Muhammad? - and whar then is Islam? - a made up and invalid religion?

6. Further: All the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in that book prove 100% that the Quran is not made by an omniscient god - no god makes such and so many mistakes, etc. If then Islam is a made up religion, what then about all the Muslims who have been prohibitted from looking for a real religion (if such one exists)? And where will they in case wake up after living and practising such an inhuman war religion like Islam is according to the Quran (and to Hadiths), if there is a second life somewhere? - Hell or Paradise?

7. NB and PS: No matter how sure you are about something, if it is not proved, it is not knowledge, only belief or strong belief, and can be wrong. Only what is proved or possible to prove is knowledge.

(As www.1000mistakes.com is blocked in many Muslim areas - which shows they are afraid of it and lack arguments (if they had real arguments for that www.1000mistakes. com is wrong, blocking was unneccessary) - "cut and paste" whatever you want from it and send if you want to inform or to debate there. Remember to omit the name www.1000mistakes.com).

PS: If we are blocked centrally - f. ex. by spam (there is too much at times already from unfriendly sources) we will reopen with new address somewhere else, and announce the new address om f. ex. www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam. Also if your comments to us do not reach us, any comments posted on a thread with "1000 mistakes" in the title on that forum will be read by us - it is a big international debate page. We cannot answer on that page, though, as it is not safe enough - we have had death threaths (better to kill an opponent, than to check if a religion brainwashed into you only on the word of a man who even practised lies (f. ex. "war is deceit") and advocated breaking even your oaths if that gave a better result, is true ot made up - old beliefs are hard to question).

Please inform all and everybody and all relevant fora - f. ex. Internet pages for debate or information - about the address www.1000mistakes.com. It is information that is urgently needed by many, not least by Muslims. No god made a book with so many mistakes and other wrongs - and if the Quran and Islam are made up by humans or dark forces, where are the followers of this inhumanly dark and brutal war religion heading for in a possible next life?