Comments in this book numbered by 3 numbers (included 00 or 0) a few places followed by one small letter = clear cases. Comments numbered by 00 or 0 followed by 1, 2 or 3 letters (big or small) = likely cases.
Predestination is a heavy point in Islam - and a problem for the religion.
Even though it will not show clearly in this book, there was a clear evolution in the religion over the 23 years of Muhammad’s preaching, towards putting much more weight on predestination. Whether the reason was that Allah changed his teachings, whether Muhammad really came to believe more and more in predestination, or whether Muhammad found a way to get more - and fiercer - warriors, is not easy to say. (There is no reason for not going to war, and no reason for not being in front of an attack, for you do not die until Allah so will anyhow - but at that time you die no marret where you are, in battle or in bed. Even at that time it was a counter-intuitive statement, but religion sometimes is stronger then your brain and your intelligence. But today it is even worse for Islam, because today it is possible to prove it is wrong by means of statistics.
But predestination always was a problem for Muslim thinkers - they existed from around 700 AD to about 1200 AD (non-religious thinking mainly from around 800-900 AD to ca. 1100 AD, with an extra some 100 years in western Mahgreb and Spain).
Islam is not doing a very good job at explaining these problems away - partly because much of it simply is not possible to explain this away to a thinking person. To believe the “explanations” you have to be pretty naïve and/or have very little knowledge and understanding - or you have to believe strongly in 33/36: “It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah or His Messenger (or Muhammad’s successors*) to have any option about their decision - - -”.
We only quote some of the statements about predestination. This chapter, therefore, will not prove Muhammad’s - or Allah’s - evolution at this point. But it is a well known fact within relevant reliable science that Muhammad “evolved“ towards more predestination late in his life (it is a pity that much of what Islam call Islamic science, is not honest, reliable science, but only trying to find ways to make the Quran and Islam fit known and scientific facts - or visa versa - included explaining away even obvious mistakes, just like some dark fundamentalists and fanatics do in many religions. It is better to cling to what you want to believe, than to find out if it is true or not - - - even though if you do not find out that you are wrong until in a possible next life, you will end up in the hell of the true religion (if such one exists)).
Year 622 AD Medina:
001 2/7: “Allah hath set seal on their (non-Muslims*) hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).” Do they really incur it when it is according to Allah’s plan (see 6/107 abowe)? - And when Allah destroys their possibilities for seeing that they are wrong (if they are wrong)? What kind of god is this?
002 2/26: “- - - He (Allah*) causes many to stray - - -.” The main point here is that it is Allah who causes it.
Year 625 AD:
003 3/26: “Thou (Allah*) givest Power to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off Power whom Thou pleases: Thou enduest with honour whom Thou pleases, and thou bringest low whom Thou pleases: in thy hand is all Good. Verily over all things Thou hast power.” Accept your leaders and you position, because it is all decided by Allah - Allah has the power and makes all decisions.
004 3/54: ”- - - and Allah too plotted and planned, and the best of planners is Allah.” It in reality is Allah that decides everything – “the best of planners”. (This verse in addition is one of the verses the Muslim phenomenon al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) is based on – when Allah can “plot and plan” (indicating using dishonest means) of course his followers can do the same as long as it is not forbidden – which it is not).
005 3/145: “Nor can a soul die except by Allah’s leave, the term being fixed as by writing”. Wage war - you die when your term comes and not before, no matter what you are doing. There is an interesting short statement more here: “- as by writing”:
In the old times when most people did not know how to read and write, written text was looked upon with respect - that something was written for many naïve and uneducated poor souls meant it was a proof for that it was true. Just think about a priest starting to read from the Bible in a church; in many countries he starts with something like “It is written” - which to his audience in the old times simply meant: It is sure to be the truth. This may be an explanation why Muhammad and the Quran so often stress that his teaching is from a book or that it is written (today we know it means nothing whether something is written or not - there are as many fairy tales and as many lies in written as in spoken words).
006 3/154: “Even if you (man able to take part in battle*) had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to their death”. To do battle is not more dangerous than to stay at home - believe it whoever who is naïve or stupid enough to believe it. It is easy today to prove it wrong by means of statistics - if you need any other proofs than your intrlligence.
Year 626 AD:
007 4/78: “Wherever ye are, death will find you out, even if ye are in towers built up strong and high”. Whenever you meet a Muslim saying the Quran do not really speak about predestination, you are speaking to a dishonest Muslim - or a naïve one not knowing what he is speaking about.
008 4/88: “For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the way, never shalt thou find the way.” When Allah has decided – and he decides – there is no way to have things your own way.
Year 621 AD:
009 6/2: “- - - and then (Allah*) decreed a stated term (for you).” From other places (Hadiths) we know that your “stated term” (= how long you are to live) is decided by Allah when the foetus is 4 months old = 5 months before you are born. Which means you can as well go to war for Muhammad and perhaps become rich by looting, because you will die at a predestined day no matter.
010 6/107: “If it was not Allah’s Plan, they (non-Muslims*) would not have taken false gods - - - “. Then how - HOW - H O W!! - can an omniscient and omnipotent god presumed to be a good and benevolent god, damn humans to Hell for taking other gods, when they did so because of his own plans???!
011 6/111: “- - - they (non-Muslims*) are not the ones to believe, unless it is Allah’s Plan”. This is even worse than 6/107 just above - Allah simply has made it impossible for non-Muslims to become Muslims, if it does not fit him. But still he condemns them to Hell!!!
No comment is even possible to explain our point of view or distaste.
012 6/128: “- - - we (humans*) reached our term (predestined day of death*), which Thou (Allah) didst appoint for us.” See 6/2 above.
013 6/134: “All that hath been promised unto you (for better or worse*) will come to pass: nor can you frustrate it (in the least bit)”: Everything Allah has predestined for you, will happen.
Year 621 AD:
014 7/34: “To every people is a term appointed; when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation).” Allah has decided. But it is difficult to understand terrorists: According to this, all those thousands of innocent people had died in the Twin Towers in New York because their time was out, even if the terrorists had stayed at home. Or what? Is something more wrong in the Quran?
015 7/89: “- - - nor could we (humans*) by any manner or means return thereto (the right way*), unless it be as in the will and plan of Allah - - -:” You cannot find back to the road to heaven, unless it is predestined by Allah. But Allah punishes you for not doing so!!
Year 631 AD:
016 9/51: “Nothing can happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Well, Islam tells it is the free will of man that brings on bad incidents and life. This verse contradicts that, to say the least of it. So just go safely to war.
Year 631 AD:
019 9/77: “- - -He (Allah*) hath put as a consequence hypocrisy into their hearts, (to last) till the Day (of Doom*)”. As you see also the hypocrites have no choice - they actually are made hypocrites by Allah. But the good god is going to punish them severely.
Year 621 AD:
020 10/49: “To every people is a term (a date of ending*) appointed: when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation)”. No matter what humans do, Allah is it who decides.
021 10/64: “- - - in the life of the Present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah”. What Allah decides is final. And many things he decides early – f. ex. the day of your death and whether you will end in hell or heaven is (according to other places in the Quran) decided 5 months before you are born.
022 13/42: “- - - but in all things the master planning is Allah’s.” Allah is the one that decides in reality.
Year 621 AD:
023 15/4: “Never did We (Allah*) destroy a population that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand”. Allah has everything predestined.
024 15/5: “Neither can a people anticipate its term (date when its luck or life runs out*), nor delay it”. No matter what people do, they cannot influence their destiny.
Year 622 AD:
025 16/71: “Allah has bestowed His gift of sustenance more freely on some of you than on others - - -“. Whether you are rich or poor depends on Allah’s decision.
Year 622 AD:
026 18/58: “- - - but they have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge.” Allah has decided when their end will come.
027 18/59: “- - - We (Allah*) fixed an appointed time for their destruction”. Humans may do this or that, but Allah decides.
Year 614-616 AD:
028 19/84: “So make no haste against them (non-Muslims*), for We (Allah*) but count out to them a (limited) number (of days).” Allah has counted the days also of the non-Muslims - and at the same time Allah (?) here gives a seemingly logical “explanation” for the unfair and immoral fact that non-Muslim often live a better life than Muslims: Allah in his unfathomable wisdom has decided it like that, but do not envy them or feel anger - they will be punished (the punishment is never proven, though).
029 19/84: “- - - We (Allah*) but count out to them a (limited) number (of days)”. What Allah has predestined is what counts.
Year 614-615 AD:
030 20/129: “Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy (Muslims‘*) Lord (Allah*), (their punishment) must necessarily have come; but there is a Term appointed (for respite)”. Allah has decided the time, and will not change it - may be to give the culprits a chance to become Muslims, but other places the Quran tells Allah makes it hard or impossible for some non-Muslims to find the way to Allah.
Year 616 AD approximately:
031 22/76: “- - - to Allah go back all questions (for decision).” It is Allah who decides everything - how can he then judge non-Muslims and bad Muslims to Hell for having to do what they believed they decided themselves, but which in reality were Allah’s decisions?
Year ca. 621 – 622 AD:
032 23/43: ”No people can hasten their term (time of ending*) nor can they delay it”. No matter what they do and how much free will they use – they can do nothing to change Allah’s predestination. And is it then free will?
Year not earlier than 621 AD:
033 28/68: “Thy (Muslims’*) Lord (Allah*) does create and choose as he pleases: no choice have they (non-Muslims*) (in the matter)”. No matter what you do, you can do nothing to change the destination Allah has predestined.
Year ca. 621 – 624 AD:
034 29/5: ”- - -for the Term (appointed) by Allah is surely coming - - -.” Allah decides.
035 29/21: “Not on earth nor in heaven will ye be able (fleeing) to frustrate (His Plan) - - -“. No-one can change what Allah has destined.
036 29/53: “- - - had it not been for a term (of respite), the Punishment would certainly have come to them - - -.” The predestination decides everything.
Year 614 – 615 AD:
037 31/29: “- - - each (the sun and the moon*) running its course for a term appointed - - -“. Even the sun and the moon have their “term appointed” by Allah.
Year 625-629 AD (095):
038 33/16: “Running away will not profit you (Muslim warriors*), if ye are running away from death or slaughter, and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy”. Well, this proves two things: It is not possible to escape predestination - no matter what Islam tries to tell you today - and that in spite of the Quran, you at least can change your destination with “a brief respite“. A respite that at least has to be for some hours or days - if not there had been newly-dead frightened warriors laying around the nearest tens and more kilometres from some battlefields - dead for no obvious reasons after fleeing from battle.
This in addition to that modern statistical science long since has proved this verse nonsense.
But Muhammad got many and terrific, but naïve warriors.
039 33/16: “Running away will not profit you (humans/Muslims*), if ye are running away from death and slaughter; and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy.” This is one of the really clear declarations: Go to war for Muhammad (and his successors), because you will not die until your time is up anyhow – and when it is up, you will die no matter.
Year 620 AD?:
038 34/30: “The appointment to you is for a Day, which ye cannot put back for an hour nor put forward”. Whatever you do you cannot change the hour of your death, that Allah has decided. Not even by leaving Mecca at Hajj if you are a sheep. The same for a man in a battle.
Year 614-615 AD:
039 35/11: “Nor is a man long-lived granted length of days, nor is a part cut off from his life, but is in a Decree (ordained).” Allah has decided how long you are to live.
Year 614 – 615 AD:
040 35/45: “- - - when their term expires - - -“. Allah has set terms of time.
Year 615 -617 AD:
041 39/42: ”- - - those on whom He (Allah*) has passed the decree of death - - -.” Allah decides.
Year 616-618 AD:
042 40/67: “(Allah*) lets you (living beings*) reach a Term appointed - - -”. Allah lets any living being reach the time for dying he has decided. Though if you are a sheep and are brought to Mecca before Hajj, it is easy to prove by means of statistics that you had had a much better chance to be alive after Hajj if you had stayed at home. And the same for a man in a battle.
Year 616-618 AD:
043 42/30: “Whatever misfortune happens to you, is because of things your hands have wrought - - -”. Please compare this to some of the other verses quoted in this chapter and tell me: Is there honesty in that kind of Muslim argumentation? Because the Quran clearly tells some places that Allah decides everything, and that you f. ex. cannot change your destiny by staying away from battle.
Or is the main thing to cling to what they want to believe? - and rather not find out if they are wrong until in the possible next world, when it may be too late not to end up in some real religion’s Hell?
Year ca. 620 AD:
044 46/3: ”We (Allah*) created not the heavens and the earth and all between them but for just ends, and for a term appointed - - -.” The “terms appointed” are predestined by Allah.
Year 614? AD:
043 54/3: “- - - every matter has its appointed time.” Allah has appointed a time for each and every thing to happen.
Year 630-632 AD:
044 57/22: “No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence: that is truly easy for Allah:” See 4/78 just above, Plus: How do Islam explain why Allah makes natural disasters - like the tsunami of 2004? And how do they explain why non-Muslims are condemned to Hell, when “no misfortune in your souls” f. ex. not becoming Muslims, can happen except by the will of Allah? A benevolent god?
044 64/11: “No kind of calamity can occur, except by leave of Allah - - -”. See 57/22 above.
When it comes to verses about human destiny, you will see that they start coming in earnest in 621 - 622 AD, at the same time Muhammad started to have really serious troubles in Mecca and needed to pep up his followers, and if possible frighten the opposition a little. You also will see that the relevant verses grow darker and more directly aiming at recruiting and pepping up warriors.
And to say that not at least parts of what the Quran tell about predestination, is not really real predestination, is not even rubbish - it is downright dishonesty.
Also there is another book that is relevant to mention in this connection: Muhammad Ibn Ishaq’s “The Life of Muhammad” (also called “Life of the Prophet” or “Life of the Prophet Muhammad”) from ca. 750 AD, and the most central Islamic biography about Muhammad from the old times. This book among other points clearly shows that Muhammad very often got (?) verses when he was in a position where he needed back-up to solve problems or to get the moral upper hand (seldom before the situations did arise). This obviously shows that the need arises at unpredictable times as changes in life makes it necessary, if man has free will and are able to make different decisions, something that makes the future unpredictable and distant future totally unpredictable. How is it then possible that these verses are written - or not written - aeons ago like Islam says? That ONLY is possible if predestination is absolute. (Islam has not been able to explain away this fact - though Muslims try.)
Predestination is a fact in Islam - even if it tells a lot of dark things about Allah or Muhammad. And even if it today is easy to prove statistically that it is plainly wrong, to use polite words.
But how is it possible to combine the "fact" that Allah desides everything and knows all the futur with the claimed free will for man?
It simply is not possible:
Islam has given in to try to explain this impossible paradox except to their more naive or uneducated followers. To their more intelligent questioners they only have this answer - freely after "The Message of the Quran": "It is not possible to understand how both claims can be true, but as Allah has told it in the Quran, it must be true all the same".
No comments. And no comments should be necessary. The ultimate suppression of intelligence by blind belief and by demands for being blind in your belief.
But all the same predestination was and is an essential part of Islam.
NB: If you find any mistakes anywhere, please inform us. If it is a real mistake, it will be corrected.
NB, NB, NB:
1. Read first the 2 small chapters "Some Essentials for how the Quran is to be read and understood" (VII-10-1) and "The Quran is to be understood literally if nothing else is indicated" (VII-10-2).
2. www.1000mistakes.com is blocked by many Muslim authorities. To debate with persons in such areas, cut and paste what you want from the pages and send it under titles different from www.1000mistakes.com .
3. www.1000mistakes.com is one of 9 pages which Muslim organisetions warned especially against in 2008 and 2009 - it could make especially procelytes lose their belief in Islam; correct and "down-to-the-earth" information works. In this connection it is worth noting that in the "warning" www.1000mistakes.com was one of 3 which neither was accused of bringing wrong facts, nor of being a hate page.
4. Comment 141 (to verse 6/149) in “The Message of the Quran” (see point 5) explains (translated from Swedish) about Allah's claimed omniscience vs. man's claimed free will:
“With other words: The real connection between Allah’s knowledge about the future (and consequently about the unavoidable in what is to happen in the future*) on one side and man’s relatively (!!*) free will on the other – two statements that seems to contradict each other – lies outside what is possible for humans to understand, but as both statement are made from Allah (in the Quran*) both must be true”. Unbelievable. Blind belief is the only correct and intelligent way of life, even in the face of the utterly impossible!!
5. And an afterthought: In the book “The Message of the Quran”, certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy in Cairo (one of the 2-3 top universities in the Muslim world on such subjects) in a letter dated 27. Dec. 1998, it is admitted rather reluctantly that there are no proofs for Allah, and that it is not possible to prove him. An additonal point here is that if there is no proof for Allah and impossible to prove him, automatically there also is no proof for, and impossible to prove Muhammad's claimed connection to a god. And if there is no Allah and/or no connection between Muhammad and a god, what then is Muhammad? - and what than is Islam? - a made up, invalid religion?
6. Further: All the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in that book prove 100% that the Quran is not made by an omniscient god - no god makes such and so many mistakes, etc. If then Islam is a made up religion, what then about all the Muslims who have been prohibitted from looking for a real religion (if such one exists)? And where will they in case wake up after living and practising such an inhuman war religion like Islam is according to the Quran (and to Hadiths), if there is a second life somewhere? - Hell or Paradise?
7. NB and PS: No matter how sure you are about something, if it is not proved, it is not knowledge, only belief or strong belief, and can be wrong. Only what is proved or possible to prove is knowledge.
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PS: If we are blocked centrally - f. ex. by spam (there is too much at times already from unfriendly sources) we will reopen with new address somewhere else, and announce the new address om f. ex. www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam. Also if your comments to us do not reach us, any comments posted on a thread with "1000 mistakes" in the title on that forum will be read by us - it is a big international debate page. We cannot answer on that page, though, as it is not safe enough - we have had death threaths (better to kill an opponent, than to check if a religion brainwashed into you only on the word of a man who even practised lies (f. ex. "war is deceit") and advocated breaking even your oaths if that gave a better result, is true ot made up - old beliefs are hard to question).
Please inform all and everybody and all relevant fora - f. ex. Internet pages for debate or information - about the address www.1000mistakes.com. It is information that is urgently needed by many, not least by Muslims. No god made a book with so many mistakes and other wrongs - and if the Quran and Islam are made up by humans or dark forces, where are the followers of this inhumanly dark and brutal war religion heading for in a possible next life?