Humans, Other Beings in/Relevant to the Quran, Part 45


250.   TUBBA

Tubba seems to have been the title of the king and the name of a country in the south of the Arab peninsula in very old times.

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001 44/37a: "- - - the people of Tubba - - -". It seems that Tubba was the title used by a series of powerful Himyar kings, who ruled in South Arabia (Saba/Sabah/Sheba?) and perhaps a little further for some centuries. They were conquered in the fourth century AD by the Abyssinians (from East Africa).

002 44/37b: "We (Allah*) destroyed them (the Tubba - see 44/37a just above*) because they were guilty of sin". There were traces and rumors from and about earlier people different places in and outside Arabia. Muhammad claimed they all were destroyed because of sin against Allah. Science knows a number of other possible explanations for their disappearance in a harsh and warlike land.

003 50/14a: "- - - each one (of them) (the tribes mentioned in 50/12-14 included the people of Tubba*) rejected the Messengers - - -". Except for Noah, Pharaoh and Lot, none of these are mentioned in the Bible - and like so often their stories are parallels to the one of Muhammad at the time when the stories were told or before. This "told" his followers that Muhammad's problems were normal for prophets, and thus that Muhammad was an ordinary - thought extraordinary - prophet. Nice for his followers to "know" and good claims (true or not true) for Muhammad.

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See "DISCIPLES" further up.

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The 12 Jewish tribes were founded by - and named after - the 12 sons of the Jewish patriarch Jacob: (with Leah) Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulon, (with Rachel) Joseph, Benjamin, (with Bilha) Dan, Naphtali, (with Zilpah) Gad, and Asher. Joseph's tribe often was treated as two half-tribes: Manasseh and Ephraim.

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001 2/136c: "- - - the revelation given to us (Muhammad*), and to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes (the 12 Jewish tribes*) and that given to Moses and Jesus, and given to (all) the Prophets (Hadiths mention the number 124ooo prophets during all times and all places!) - - -". The Quran as you see claims that all prophets to all times each has got their copy of the Quran - or to be more correct a copy of the same revered "mother book" in Heaven of which the Quran is a copy according to Islam. It must have been informative for the claimed Inuit prophets in North Canada to read about the blessed shade from the sun and the fruits and camels everyone knew, or for one in the really old England to read about the blessed rain.

Science has found exactly not one trace from neither the claimed non-Biblical prophets, nor the claimed Islamic religion, nor from any of the claimed books, nor from a claimed god like Muhammad's version of the old pagan god al-Lah/Allah - not even a reference. Whereas from the Bible there are some 45ooo manuscripts, fragments, quotations, or references older than 610 AD. ####And the Bible was not sent down in 124ooo copies, like Muslims indicate for the Quran! Worse: Also Islam has found not one proved falsification strengthening their claims - a 110% proof for that there are no falsifications, because if there had been, Islam had found them and screamed and bellowed about them.

Another fact concerning the claim that Islam was an old religion: Archeology has nowhere in the world found a mosque - or traces from one - older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his new religion. Well, the oldest parts of Kabah are older, but that was an old pagan temple (dedicated to the pagan god al-Lah or originally perhaps to the as pagan god Hubal) which Muhammad took over.

And prophets before man learnt how to read around 1200 BC or a little earlier the first places, what did they use the books for, and in what language and alphabet were the books written?

Believe this Islamic claim whoever wants.

002 2/136h: "- - - the Tribes - - -". A time anomaly. This refers to the 12 Jewish tribes, each founded by one of Jacob's 12 sons. The comments are parallel to f.x. Abraham (2/124a+c) or Jacob (2/132c) - no user of the claimed parallels to the Quran could understand this reference until these tribes came into existence. As it takes some time to grow from a person to a family to a tribe, one may guess that this reference had no meaning for readers/listeners until around 1600 BC at the earliest. For f.x. Noah or Abraham this expression had no meaning.

003 2/140a: "Or do you say that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the tribes were Jews - - -". As the word "Jew" did not exist at that time (it derives from the name of one of the sons of Jacob and the tribe he founded, the Judah tribe), technically the Quran may be right in this "leading - or rhetoric - question" . But using the wider and quite normal definition of the word: Jews = people belonging to the Jewish religion, there is little doubt that according to the Bible they all were Jews - even Ishmael (but he is outside Yahweh's line, as that one goes via Isaac (his brother) and Jacob (1. Mos. 21/12)), if he lived and believed like his father (like Islam claims he did). It must in case be a bitter truth for Arabs to know they are claiming (as usual no proofs) to be descendants from a Jew(!) (But in its rhetoric way the Quran here contradicts the Bible). For the record: The name "Christians" is even much younger than the word "Jew" - it of course derives from "Christos", the Greek version of "Messiah" = the anointed one. It was coined some decades into "our time". See 2/140b just below.

004 2/140b: "Or do you say that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians?" Well, no-one say they were Christians - Christianism is a softer religion than the Mosaic (Jewish) one and did not arrive until with Jesus. If we presume that Jesus really was from Yahweh, which both the Bible and the Quran claims (except that the Quran calls the god Allah and claims Allah = Yahweh), one may wonder why the god choose to soften his teaching just then. One possible explanation is that Islam is right on this one point: When times changes there can be adjustments in the one god's teachings to inch it closer to what the god really wants. May be Yahweh saw that the widespread and long "Roman Peace" (over 200 years - 27 BC to 180 AD) - Pax Romana - finally gave a more peaceful and benevolent "edition" of his religion a chance to take hold and survive - grow strong enough to survive in spite of the rougher times which would come. But if this is the explanation, it is highly unlikely and illogical that he later should want to return to a harsh, selfish, and bloody war religion like Islam - far more inhuman, dark and bloody than also the Mosaic one even in the harshest parts of OT.

005 3/84b: "- - - what (the Quran) has been revealed to us (Muslims*) and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the (12 Jewish*) tribes- - -". One more of the claims that it was the Quran which was given to each and every of the old prophets (see 3/81e above). One more claim showed wrong by science and by Islam by being unable to find the slightest trace of Islam or something similar older than 610 AD. And also by the fact that even really old Biblical scriptures are similar to the Bible of today. (Islam's claim that the Mosaic - Jewish - religion and culture was a falsified version of Islam does not hold water.)

006 3/84h: "- - - the Tribes - - -". The 12 Jewish tribes.

007 4/163e: "- - - We (Allah*) sent it (messages by inspiration*) to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the (12 Jewish*) Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and to Solomon - - -". As Muhammad claimed he received his verses from Allah by inspiration, it was essential to "prove" that this was a normal way for prophets to receive information from the god. And NB: He used these claimed Muslim prophets as proofs for that "inspiration" was a normal way of communication. The word "inspiration" is not used anywhere in the Bible in such connections. Also it is nowhere in the Bible mentioned that Ishmael had a close enough connection to Yahweh to be a prophet.

008 5/12c: "- - - We appointed twelve captains among them - - -". Well, Yahweh in one case said that the tribe leaders should lead. But the splitting in 12 tribes was not built on this, but on the 12 sons of Jacob (or to be more exact: Levi's descendants became priests and were split on the other tribes in a way not reckoned as a separate tribe in some connections - though kept apart an counted separately mostly. Then remained 11 of Jacob's sons. But the descendants of Joseph were split in 2 tribes, as his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh each founded a tribe (called half-tribes) = 12 tribes all together if one wants to count this way.) Though often one counted Levi as one and Joseph as one tribe.

009 7/160a: “We divided them (the people of Moses*) into twelve Tribes or nations.” Wrong: They consisted of 12 brothers (the 12 sons of Jacob), then 12 families, then 12 tribes already since after Jacob (some 430 years earlier according to the Bible). And even this is wrong, because Joseph founded 2 tribes: Manasseh and Ephraim (though often called half-tribes). Israel thus consisted of 11 tribes and 2 half-tribes. When the number 12 often is used, the reason may as well be the fact that the Levi tribe was split up and lived together with the other tribes as priests, or that Manasseh and Ephraim were half-tribes and lumped together. (Jesus by the way was from the Judah tribe.)

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Strong opponent of Muhammad. Taken prisoner during the Battle of Badr, and both he and his son were executed.

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One of Muhammad's many long time wives. Daughter of Abu Sufyan and widow before she ended in Muhammad's harem. Real name Ramla bint abu Safyan. Not political active, but likely she helped in the later conciliation between her father and Muhammad. She died during the 660s AD.

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3. daughter of Muhammad. Married Utbah ibn Abu Lahab, and later Uthman ibn Affan. Died 631 AD. for more see f.x. QASIM - SON OF MUHAMMAD above.

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Muhammad's wife number 4. Her real name was Hind. She died around 680 AD after a rather quiet life.

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The Quran has a number of tales there the place or the main person(s) is/are not specified or directly unknown. Some samples:

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001 7/138b: "They (the Jews moving in Sinai*) came upon a people devoted entirely to some idols they had." Who were they? Nobody knows. One guesses about anything from tribes mentioned in OT to Egyptian copper miners. This episode is not mentioned in the Bible - and knowing the Quran with all its mistakes, etc. is not from any god + knowing there is no other source about things like this, how did Muhammad get this information? - if it really was information? Like so often the Quran is not very clear.

002 7/163a: "- - - the town standing close by the sea". Nobody included Islam knows which town - the Quran far from is clear often. Thus this claim was impossible to check. Convenient if it is a made up story - at least it is not from the Bible.

003 7/175b: (YA1149): “Relate (Muhammad?*) to them (people*) the story of the man (what man?) We (Allah*) sent Our Signs, but he passed them by - - -.” The problem no-one has a clue what man Allah (?) spoke about. No-one. This story is "hanging in the air". One of the many most clear texts in the Quran.

004 7/176b: “If it had been Our Will, We would have elevated him (a non-Muslim*) with our Signs.” Well, neither was there elevation, nor signs. Because it happened to be Allah’s will? - or because all this from no. 001 and down just was bragging and fast talk?

005 23/32b: (A23/17): “And We (Allah*) sent them a messenger from among themselves - - -.” Who are “they” and who is the messenger? Islam does not know. Some guess it may be Hud – sometimes mentioned in the Quran, but unknown anywhere else. It may perhaps be Muhammad. Or it may be a vague general description. Clear words?

006 23/33b: "He (the unknown prophet*) is no more than a man like yourself: he eats of that which ye (the prophet's contemporaries*) eat, and drinks of what ye drink". This was one of the arguments Muhammad met at home. Here he indicates that this was a normal argument from disbelievers towards prophets (it is not a normal or heavy one in the Bible), and thus that Muhammad is a normal prophet. There are quite a number of similar cases in the Quran. But they - and this - are not from the Bible.

007 23/34a: "(The chiefs said*) If ye (people after the time of Noah*) obey a man like yourself (a la Muhammad*), behold, it is certain that ye will be lost". This was said by non-Muslims. If the Quran is not made by a god - and no god ever made a book with that many mistakes, contradictions, etc., not to mention revered it in his own Heaven - those non-Muslims may be right. But this is not from the Bible.

008 23/35b: "Does he (the claimed Muslim prophet*) promise that when ye (people*) die and ye become dust and bones, ye shall be brought forth (again)?" Remember here that what Muhammad promised and Islam promises, is that Allah shall find all the pieces and juices - all atoms and molecules - you were made by and put everything together again and then wake you up to the claimed next life. The old Arabs knew about a possible waking up of your soul, but this process with putting everything together and waking you up bodily, was a bit hard to swallow - it still is for people knowing some about chemistry, physics, etc. - especially as a life free from the cumbersome body like in NT is a far more attractive alternative for a possible next life. (But in Islam's Paradise most of the pleasures are bodily ones, and then Muhammad needed bodily resurrection - very different from NT where Jesus tells that in Paradise you become like the angels (f.x. Luke 20/36, not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17).) - the same god and the same Paradise? - impossible.

But a copy of Muhammad's experiences like so much in the Quran - - - "proving" Muhammad's problems were normal for prophets, and that Muhammad thus was a normal prophet - though the greatest one. Not from the Bible.

009 23/37b: "But we (the people of the unknown prophet*) shall never be raised up again!". More or less all religions have some kind of second life. The old pagan Arabs knew this from surrounding religions, but had weak belief about this themselves, and some of them said things like this to Muhammad. Here Muhammad claims the opponents told that prophet just the same as Arab opponents told Muhammad - "confirming" that the opposition Muhammad met, was normal for prophets, and thus also that Muhammad was in a normal situation for a normal prophet. But as this was a religious point of view one seldom and few places in the world met, this simply is one more Arabism.

010 23/38b: "He (the unknown prophet*) is only a man who invents a lie against Allah, but we (people*) are not the ones to believe in him!". Who - who - in his right mind are able to believe people not believing in Allah, but in other gods, said this? This simply is imbecility.

011 23/38c: "He (the unknown prophet*) is only a man who invents a lie against Allah, but we (people*) are not the ones to believe in him!" Exchange "Allah" with "al-Lah" and this is exactly what the people in the old Mecca told Muhammad. Therefore, when Muhammad claimed older prophets had been told the same, his followers could believe Muhammad's situation was normal for prophets and Muhammad a normal prophet.

012 23/39b: "(The unknown prophet) said - - -". It is here unclear which prophet. Verses 23/31 and 23/41 shows it is not Noah. Perhaps the claimed prophet Hud. Or perhaps even Muhammad. But Muhammad was no real prophet. The definition of a prophet is a person who:

  1. Have the gift of and close enough connection to a god for making prophesies.
  2. Makes prophesies that always or at least mostly come true.
  3. Makes so frequent and/or essential prophesies, that it is a clear part of his mission.

A few things Muhammad said, came true – like it has to do for a person saying many things through many years – and most of what he said which did not come true, was forgotten (also this is what normally happens if it is nothing spectacular). But he did not see the future correctly often - actually he statistically and according to the laws of probability should have "hit the mark" far more often by sheer chance than he did - there just are a few cases where Muslims will claim he foretold something correctly, and few if any of them are "perfect hits". But then the Quran makes it pretty clear that even though he was intelligent, he had little fantasy and that he also was nearly unable to make innovative thinking (nearly all his tales and his ideas in reality were "borrowed" ones - though often twisted to fit his new religion).

The main things here are that Muhammad never indicated that anything of what he said was meant as prophesies, that he never indicated, not to mention claimed, that he had the gift of prophesying, that it nowhere is documented that all/most of what he said about the future came true (point 2 above), and finally that both he and Islam said and says that there were no miracles connected to Muhammad “except the Quran”; prophesying is a kind of miracle -seeing what has not yet happened). (This last fact also is a solid proof for that all the miracles connected to Muhammad mentioned in the Hadiths, are made up stories). Also see 30/40a and 30/46a, and we also should add that his favorite wife (and infamous child wife) Aisha according to Hadiths (f.x. Al-Bukhari) states that anyone saying Muhammad could foresee things, were wrong.

Verse 7/188b also is very relevant here: "If I (Muhammad*) has knowledge of the Unseen (= what is hidden and what has not happened yet*), I should have - - -". IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT MUHAMMAD DID NOT HAVE THE PROPHETS' ABILITY TO SEE "THE UNSEEN" - he was no real prophet.

Also relevant here is that the original title of the Jewish prophets was not "prophet" but "seer" - one who saw at least parts of the unseen. (F. x. 1. Sam. 9/9, 1. Chr. 26/28, 1.Chr.29/29, Amos 7/12, Mic. 3/7 - some places the two titles even are used side by side). Muhammad so definitely was no seer - prophet - even according to his own words; he had no "knowledge of the unseen".

###And this is a fact no Muslim will admit: Muhammad in reality simply was no real prophet or seer. Perhaps a messenger for someone or something or for himself – or perhaps an apostle – but not a real prophet. He only “borrowed” that impressive and imposing title. It is up to anyone to guess why.

*013 23/39c: “(The prophet (because of 23/31-32 and 23/41 it is unclear which prophet, perhaps Muhammad but likely someone else*)) said - - - they accuse me of falsehood.” If it was not Muhammad: Similar to Muhammad's situation. Therefore, when Muhammad claimed older prophets had been told the same , his followers could believe Muhammad's situation was normal for prophets and Muhammad a normal prophet.

014 23/41a: “And the Blast overtook them (people some generations after Noah?*) with justice (and killed them*), and we made them as rubbish of dead leafs - - -”. Excellent literature! - either the Quran without remark or explanation has changed from talking about Noah, or Muhammad has mixed up his stories; there was no blast - a storm but no blast - during the Big Flood (7/64c+d), neither in the Bible no in the Quran. Most likely here he has switched from one story to another in the middle of the tales. The ones claiming that the Quran is excellent literature, either do not know the Quran, or they know nothing about literature.

PS: Yahweh caused little killing between Noah and Abraham, but Allah seems to have been busy most of the time.

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- not mentioned in the Quran.

Uriah was a was a Jewish soldier in the army of King David. David made his wife, Bathsheba, pregnant, and when Uriah behaved in ways making it impossible for David to claim Uriah was the father of the baby, David had Uriah killed to avoid troubles (2. Samuel, chapter 11). The prophet Nathan gave David a real dressing for this (2. Samuel, chapter 12). This story and Nathan's "dressing" are the likely background for the tale about the two men quarreling about sheep in David's rooms in the Quran.

PS: That baby later became King Solomon.

The Quran never mentions that Islam's claimed prophet David sinned gravely, or that Islam's claimed prophet Solomon was born in sin. (Just like they simply refuse to believe what is told about Lot and his daughters - according to the Quran Lot was a prophet (not so according to the Bible), and "prophets do not sin". As simple "logic" as that.)

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Ezra was one of the great prophets according to the Bible. The Jews of Jerusalem had been brought to Babylon as slaves by Nebuchadnezzar. After the Persians had conquered Babylon, king Cyrus let them return to Jerusalem. Ezra - a highly respected scholar "well versed in the Law of Moses" (Ezra 7/6) and prophet - led a later group returning to Jerusalem.

There are especially two points which are interesting concerning Ezra. One is the fact that Ezra was a teacher "well versed in the Law of Moses". This means that the Jewish scriptures had survived the destruction of Jerusalem (if not Ezra could not be well versed in them) - naturally as Jews lived many other places than in Jerusalem, and each synagogue had a copy of them, so that even in the unlikely case that every copy in Jerusalem had been destroyed, plenty of copies survived other places. This means that Islam's claims that all Jewish scriptures were destroyed at the fall of Jerusalem, and that Ezra rewrote them, but falsified them, is wrong.

The other point is that the Quran tells that the Jews claimed Ezra was the son of God. This is so clearly and obviously wrong according to history, that Islam has been forced to admit that it is wrong, but to save the text in the Quran, they claim that the Jews around Mecca/Medina said so. But this in case means that the Quran must have been written by someone living in that area and not knowing the reality about this claim about Ezra - no omniscient god had made such a stupid mistake. Then who made the Quran?

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See "EZRA" above.

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