1000+ Mistakes in the Quran, Booklet 12

 

Booklet 12

In the "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" series

 

NB:

1. Book F is the "mother book" for this book. There will be references below you will not find in this book, but you will find them in Book F.

2. The word "apocryphal" covers stories of many grades of reliability - from likely true to the totally unreliable. When we use the word, we always and without exception refer to the made up ones, if we do not say anything else. The main reason is that the absolute majority of apocryphal stories are made up ones (f.x. Islam has made up many to make the Mosaic and the Christian religion look like it "really" have originated from Allah, the Quran (or really the claimed "Mother of the Book" in Heaven - they f.x. made lots in Spain during the 800s.), and from the claimed "original religion", Islam.

3. On the net it is said that our Book A, "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran", is the most dangerous book Islam ever met. Our Book F, "1000+ Comments on the Quran", may be a good number 2.

4. It also is said that nobody should decide become - or stay - a Muslim until after he/she has read at least Book A and preferably also Book F.

5. Islam tells that most religious people believe in their religion because of "taqlid" = because they have been and are told by their fathers and surroundings that this is the truth and the only truth. They forget(?) that this also is the fact for most Muslims.

6. Religious persons who are "sure" they are right, even if it only is from belief and not from proved facts, may react strongly - even with anger - when they meet opposition or opposing information/facts, especially if they themselves do not have good arguments to meet the opposing information/facts. You often meet this from Muslims.

7. It is typical for strong believers in an ideology - included in religions - that they often do not believe because of proved facts, but because of (often indoctrinated and often irrational) belief and claims. It also is typical for them that they are so sure they are right, that they dismiss - often out of hand and without even checking - any facts or proofs indicating, showing, or even proving that they are wrong. This also definitely goes for Muslims.

8. It also is typical for strong believers that they believe not because of proved facts, but often in spite of their belief or religion is proved wrong. This also definitely goes for Muslims.

9. Occam's Broom (the same Occam as the one with the razor): "The intellectual dishonest trick of ignoring facts that refute your argument in the hope that your audience won't notice". (New Scientist 21.Sept. 2013.) This trick is frequently used by Muhammad, by Islam, and by Muslims claiming that the Quran's texts and Islam are right - just use your ears and/or eyes, and brain, and you will find lots and lots of samples, f.x. in some of Muhammad's lies in the Quran.

10. Graham Lawton: "'Surely' (etc.*) and rhetorical questions (or statements*) - whenever you encounter these in a text, stop and think. The author usually wants you to skate over them as if the claim is so obvious as to be beyond doubt, or the answer self-evident. The opposite is often the case." Try to count such cases in the Quran - they are MANY. Especially the never proved claim "the Truth" and similar are very often used - f.x. words like: "Without doubt", "certain", "verily", "clear", "right", "fact", "wrong", "sign", "proof" (even modern Muslims disuse this word often), "self evident", and more. + there are many rhetorical questions in the Quran.

11. Daniel Kahneman (2002 Nobel Prise winner for research on psychological biases that distort rational decition-making - New Scientist 14. Aug. 2014, p. 24)): "An assimilation bias (is a bias*) that bends information to fit people's existing values and prejudices". You find much of assimilation biases in the Quran, in Islam, and among Muslims, all based on the wish to make the Quran seem true - or on the belief that it is true.

12. Who needs tricks like in points 8 and 9? And who needs the use of al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah, deceit and other forms of dishonesty in words or deeds like Muhammad accepted and used? - the one without real arguments and real facts, and the cheat and deceiver, the swindler and the charlatan.

13. Is it possible for humans to know better than an omniscient god what the god "really" wants to say? And is it possible for humans to then explain things better and clearer than an omniscient god? - what the clumsy god "really" means and "really" tries to say? This is the logic behind many "explanations" from Islam and from Muslims.

14. The ways Islam and Muslims most frequently use for fleeing from facts and arguments they cannot answer or do not like are:

  1. A: "You just are a Muslim hater, (and therefore I do not have to think over or check what you say)". But most non-Muslims do not squander energy on hating Islam. They may be incredulous on Muslims' ability to see only what they want to see, their ability to "explain" away all facts and points they do not want to see, and disgusted by Islam's and the Quran's brutality and acceptance of dishonesty and blood, but the large majority do not bother to hate Islam.
  2. B: "You just are a Jew lover, (and therefore I do not have to think over or check what you say)". There are many who far from love the Jews, and all the same question f.x. all the wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, etc. in the Quran.

  3. C: "You cannot understand the meaning of a verse or something in the Quran, unless you know the entire surah (or the entire Quran)". For one thing this mostly is nonsense: There are points where the context may give a word, an expression, or a verse a special meaning, but mostly the fact is that if you are not able to read what a word, an expression, or a verse means, you are too dull or uneducated and should stay out of debates. (But it is an efficient argument, because most people do not know the Quran well enough to know if the claim is true or not. It mostly is not.) For another Islam and Muslims far from use such a rule themselves when discussing f.x. the Bible - cfr. f.x. their cherry-picking and disuse of the word "brother" in 5. Mos. 18/15 and 18/18 where they use only the single word "brother" and state that this means "Arabs", in spite of that the context strongly shows that Moses spoke about Jews (and also in 18/21 warned against false prophets).
  4. D: "This and this text with errors in the Quran, are not errors, but allegories, parables, etc." This in spite of that the Quran MANY places and in many ways tells that the claimed omniscient god has explained everything exactly and in detail so that it is easy to understand = to be understood literally where nothing else is clearly indicated - and that the search for hidden meanings where such are not indicated, only is "for the ones sick of heart" + that the possible hidden meanings only are for Allah to understand. All the same they pretend that they know better than Allah what he "really" wanted to tell, and that they are better at explaining things than the omniscient Allah.
  5. E: "You cannot understand the Quran properly unless you read it in Arab". One word: Nonsense - but an efficient pseudo-argument because most people do not know enough about such things to know if it may be true. But for one thing linguists tell that Arab just is a medium difficult language to translate. For another Arab around 650 AD was the language of primitive nomad tribes mainly, and far from an advanced and refined difficult language.
  6. F: "Arab has special words you only have in Arab". This goes for absolute every language. All it takes to solve this problem - in any language - is to have those words explained. Such Arab words relevant to the Quran are not too many.

A fact: "What one brain is able to express and explain, another brain of similar quality and education is able to understand". What a Muslim is able to express and explain, a non-Muslim of similar intelligence is able to understand - and often understand if it is right or wrong. This even more so as many a non-Muslim is better educated than many a Muslim.

15. ####Explanation or "explanation" of a few errors in a "holy" might be understandable. But how is it possible to accept long series of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, etc. in a book pretending to come from an omniscient god, without asking questions? - in a book the god even claims is plain and easy to understand = to be understood literally, and hidden meanings just are for "the sick of heart"?

16. Personally we have learnt much about human nature by witnessing Islam's and Muslims' ability to see only what they want to see, their ability to accept even the most far out "explanations", included dishonesty, trying to make errors, contradictions, etc. "correct facts" in the Quran, their ability to flee from any fact or argument they dislike or are able to meet, and not least their ability to flee instead of thinking over that non-Muslims may be as well-educated and well-informed as Muslims, and check what is true or not, instead of using blind belief in what their fathers have told - "taqlid".

17. The Bible is written by humans - and humans may make mistakes (there are some f.x. in Genesis). The Quran claims to be from an omniscient god. Omniscient gods do not make errors or contradictions. If there are errors or contradictions in the Quran, the book thus is not from a god. What then is Islam in case?

18. If there is a next life, and if there somewhere is a real god - f.x. Yahweh - they have been prevented from looking for, where will Muslims end if the Quran is a made up book? - and all the errors, etc. at least prove it is from no god.

19. If the Quran is not from a god - and all the wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, etc. denies that any god delivered the book - Islam is a made up religion.

20. It is easy to check if our quotes and points are correct. Before a Muslim flees from them, he/she should check them, instead of fleeing into "taqlid", because if our points - even only some of them - are right, the Quran is not from a god, and what is then Islam? - it is not the Truth unless it is true.

"Love your enemies, because they tell you your mistakes". Benjamin Franklin.

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The main point with the Quran's claim that Allah predestines EVERYTHING, and does so in accordance with his Plan which nobody and nothing can chage, in a way is not the predestination itself, but its other effects, and may be the main one intended was to tell men that to go on raids or to war, was not dangerous, because you did not die until the day Allah had predestined - and that day you would die anyhow. But Muhammad also used it to "explain" some other points in life - f.x. concerning the life of non-Muslims.

But the claimed total predestination, also have some other effects:

  1. There is no explanation for why Allah had to test his followers - he had predestined everything and thus knew everything already and could/can learn nothing from such testing.
  2. Total predestination means no free will for man - the two are mutually excluding each other, and maximum one can be true, even for a god - in spite of Islam's and Muhammad's claims.

  3. Total predestination according to Allah's plan which nobody and nothing can make him change, means that prayers have no value in Islam - it means changing of Allah's Plan.

  4. Similar goes for forgiving - impossible because it means changing of Allah's unchangeable Plan.

  5. Total predestination makes Allah very immoral when he punishes people for bad deeds he has predestined and thus forced them to do.
  6. Similar goes for rewards for good deeds.

Man can have no free will - in spite of the claims from Muhammad, the Quran, and Muslims this combination is impossible - Allah cannot forgive unless he changes his Plan, he cannot punish without change of his Plan, he cannot reward without changing his Plan - and he cannot answer prayers without changing his Plan. Etc.

Muhammad needed full predestination to tell his men that to go on raids or into war was not dangerous, as no matter what you did, you would not die until at the time Allah had predestined, and at that time you would die anyhow. (He never mentioned that if you died at home that would have another effect than if you died in a battle somewhere far off, that would have another effect on the future of at least small parts of the world, and thus upset Allah's Plan, which "nobody and nothing can change". But he also needed free will for man, because if not Allah would be unjust when he punished and rewarded. The unbelievable is that people swallowed - and still do - the mutually excluding claims.

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ALLAH'S CLAIMED TOTAL PREDESTINATION

001 An essential chapter, because in spite of the Quran's claims, total predestination is impossible even for a god to combine with even a little free will for man. Both the fact that the two claims are mutually excluding each other, and thus maximum one of them can be true, and the laws of chaos make such a combination impossible - also for a god.

002 As you see below, there is no doubt that Allah predestines EVERYTHING in your and everybody's life - and everything else which happens in Heaven and on Earth. Hadith even tells that he predestines your day of death AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO END IN HELL OR IN HEAVEN when you are a 4 months old fetus. The Quran further tells that he is predestining everything in accordance with his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change.

003 But if Allah predestines everything, there is no room for free will for man. Full predestination for Allah and even a smithereen of free will for man are mutually excluding each other, and maximum one of the claims can be true. If man only has a tiny wee bit of free will, the laws of chaos makes full predestination and even full precognition impossible. F.x. man can always change his mind one more time if he has some free will, and then out goes what Allah thought he knew or had predestined.

004 Full predestination for Allah means no free will for man, no matter what the Quran or Islam says. In the immaterial realms of existence, there are things which are impossible even for gods.

005 But if Allah has full predestination and man no free will, what moral rule can then justify that Allah rewards or punishes humans? - even sends them to Hell?

006 Islam has till now been unable to find answers to these questions. There are nonsense-answers which satisfy the naive ones, the not educated ones, the ones with strong wishful thinking, etc. Claims like "The Quran does not mean full predestination, so that man has partly free will". Wrong. "Allah only predestines the date of your death, and everything you do in between, is up to your own free will". Muslims saying this either have not read the Quran or know they are lying. "Man's free will is piggy-backed on Allah's predestination". This is just a complicated way of saying that free will of man is included in Allah's total predestination = man in reality has no free will. If a person has his parts of the decisions through his/her life, Allah has no full predestination and no full precognition.

As striking is that these "explanations" you get from the uneducated masses, or from words or media meant for them. Here is what the Islamic scholars say in more serious books:

007 F.x. Muhammad Asad's “The Message of the Quran” has this comment to verse 6/149:

“In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true".

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but for blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness.

IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE.

008 This point perhaps also is the pinnacle in all Islam's ability to flee even from facts they see themselves, its inability to face hard facts even when they see them, and its ability and willingness to be blind and to overlook even the strongest facts and proofs for that things are very wrong in the Quran and thus with Muhammad and in Islam. Central claims which cannot be true, are accepted in pure superstition. And "explanations" about what the Quran "really means" - = corrupting the texts of the Quran - are accepted as readily.

"Our fathers told us and our neighbors and mullahs tell us this is true, and then it must be true". ####"Taqlid" is the basis for the belief of many/most Muslims. Few have sat down and really thought over: "What is true in the Quran?" "What more can be true?" "What cannot be true?" "What do the errors in the Quran really signify? - and is fleeing from accepting the fact that there are many errors in the book, the sustainable and intelligent and safe thing to do?" "Where will I end if there is a next life, but the Quran a made up book, like all the errors show?" Not to mention: "Is making up statements of what the Quran "really" means, when the texts are wrong or have wrong facts, to corrupt the book?"

009 "We built our lives on this belief - it has to be true because it is too difficult for me to face the alternative".

You meet this lack of moral backbone and the ability in Islam and in Muslims to overlook or explain away even the strongest facts, at every point in the Quran where there are mistakes, contradictions or other proofs for that something is wrong in the Quran, and thus with Muhammad and with his religion - proofs they are unable to face for that Islam as told in the Quran is not a religion, but a superstition. Even the totally impossible they are willing to overlook, because their fathers told them that their forefathers had said that the Quran had to be true.

010 An additional point here is the psychological fact that the religion you came to accept as a child, because your father and others told you it was The Truth, is difficult to doubt later. It has to do with the so-called plasticity of the brain - its openness for information and ability to learn. After the age of 6-7 years the plasticity is reduced or gone, and it takes much to accept that what already is "inside" may be wrong.

011 Muhammad Asad at least - and many other higher Muslim scholars now and in earlier times - was honest enough to admit the combination of full predestination and free will for man is impossible to understand. But a lot of Muslim religious people make up "explanations" for the masses to make them believe. You will meet such "explanations" and claims that they are true and the combination of full predestination and free will for man thus explained - they seem to believe they can explain what the very sharpest brains in Islam through 1400 years have been unable to understand - and things which the science of logic has proved impossible. The claimants must be real egg-heads.

012 To recapitulate:

  1. If full predestination is true, man has no free will, no matter what the Quran and Islam say about this. In the non-physical aspects of the existence, there are limits even to what a god can do, included combining facts(?) which mutually exclude each other, like in this case. Full predestination by Allah is impossible to combine with even a miniscule part of free will for man - the accumulation of minor changes will make a joke of predestinations, especially of predestinations about far future, and the laws of chaos will do just the same. It here is significant that also Islam admits that it is impossible to explain how man can have free will, if Allah predestines everything, like the Quran claims, with free will for man, (but adds the unbelievable sentence: "But as Allah says so in the Quran, it all the same has to be true"!! Nobody who knows some about the laws of logic and of logical conclusions needs a comment on that sentence.)
  2. If full predestination is true, and man only are puppets on strings, Allah is a very unfair and immoral god when he punishes - and rewards - humans.
  3. 3. Full predestination about the time of your death - predestined before you are even born (5 months before according to Hadiths), and according to Allah's Plan which nobody and nothing can change - made it easy for Muhammad to get warriors. As Allah had predestined the time of your death, it was/is not more dangerous to be in a battle than to play with your children or sleep in your bed - you will die at the same moment anyhow. Both logic, experience, and not least statistical methods prove this claim wrong, but it is typical for strong believers in any religion to believe only what they want to believe - and not least that they do not believe because of proofs, but often in spite of their beliefs are being proved wrong - believed dogma are stronger than even clear mistakes and strongly proved facts one does not want to see. Islam is a typical religion on this point - believing blindly everything Muhammad said and did, no matter how strongly Muhammad's deeds and even more his words very often were provably wrong. Instead of facing the facts, they try to find "explanations" which may make the Quran look true - - - and then accept more or less every such "explanation" because of wishful thinking and "taqlid", and no matter how many places in the Quran they have to help the clumsy omniscient Allah, and explain what he "really" means in his holy book, which itself many places stated that the texts are easy and plain to understand, and to look for hidden meanings only are for the ones "sick of heart".
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    It also is quite unbelievable how many such "explanations" - hundreds and more - Muslims accept without even starting to ask questions.

  5. If Allah predestines everything according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, prayers have no meaning in Islam. Prayers normally are for betterments or forgiving. But in both cases you are praying for Allah to change your - or somebody else's - predestined future = praying to Allah that he shall change his Plan. But this in case means that you or your prayer will change Allah's big Plan, something the Quran very clearly and several places tells nobody and nothing can do.

  6. As for forgiving: Just the same logic as in point 4, as forgiving means Allah must give you a softer future than you deserve/is predestined.
  7. A curious: Also pilgrimage - Hajj - has no value: To reward you for it, means that Allah must change his Plan concerning you, which according to the Quran is impossible. (Of course you may say that both the Hajj and the reward were predestined, but then it is theater, not reward.

013 To combine some of this with full predestination like the Quran claims, is impossible according to the laws of logic. To claim differently is to go from religion to occultism, superstition, and fairy tales.

(###We are a bit thorough on this point because it is so central to the Islamic culture, and to recruiting of warriors for raids for riches and for war.)

014 #####As you see below, there exists no doubt about that according to the Quran Allah predestines EVERY detail of what happens on Earth and that he predestines everything every person does. But either full predestination of free will for man (or both) is wrong. The two are mutually excluding each other, and what are mutually excluding each other, are impossible to combine even for a god.

Well, read and see for yourself: Does man have free will, etc., etc. if Allah has full predestination, like the Quran clearly states several places?

015 We may add that full predestination today is proved wrong by science. There are aspects with the claim which are possible to check f.x. by means of statistics (f.x. the claim that it is not more dangerous to be in a battle than to work in your fields - you will die in the predestined moment no matter), and the aspects are proved wrong. If Islam still insists predestination is the truth, they will have to prove - prove - their words, and as said today it is easy to check at least some of the aspects of the claim, so that it should be easy for them to prove their words.

016 why go to a doctor or use medicine? Allah already has predestined whether you will survive or not. Why use a belt when driving a car? Why look after your child? Why bother with the maintenance of a Boing 707? - Allah has long time ago predestined when the passengers will die. Etc., etc. etc., etc. etc., etc..........

Nonsense.

017 Well, as you will see below, there exists no doubt that the Quran tells Allah predestines absolutely everything and does so 100%. This means that whenever Islam or Muslims claim in any way reduced predestination, to make space for f.x. free will of man, they either are wrong, confirm that the Quran is wrong on all these many points, or - if they know their Quran - are lying. According to these verses there is no room for free will for man: x - x = 0. How then explain the ethics and morality behind Allah's punishments and rewards? There also is no room for f.x. any effect of prayers or forgiving - points less debated by Muslims - as this demand changes in Allah's unchangeable Plan.

018 But like said: Science has proved that several aspects of total predestination all are wrong - f.x. by means of statistics (not all aspects are possible to evaluate scientifically). And when large segments of this - very central claim - are proved wrong, it at the same time is proved that the never proved claim "full predestination" is wrong.

Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable is that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?

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###019 2/210c: "But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)". Here we are back to the predestination: Allah decides everything, and he decides it according to his unchangeable Plan. And then we are back to the question of man's free will: If Allah decides everything, man's claimed free will is just an illusion. But if man's free will is an illusion, how then can Allah punish humans? - not to mention how can he punish for it and still be a benevolent, fair and good god? This is an unsolvable problem for Islam. The lay members of Islam are fed good words about the free will of man and that Allah is able to see the future no matter and thus only reacts to what you do. Fast words are cheap and if the naive or the strong believers want to believe these logical impossibilities, it is easy to make them believe it. But the moment Allah "writes down" your future, your free will is gone - if not Allah's knowledge may turn out to be wrong. Or if you really have free will, Allah can never know the future for sure, because you always can change your mind once more. Most Muslims happily overlook or are not aware of this impossibility, but among the scholars you meet it (though they never debate it with their lay followers if they can avoid it). We quote from Azad: "The Message of the Quran", surah 6, comment 143 (to verse 149):

"In other words, the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happening the future) on one side, and man's free will, on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true. The very concept of "Allah" presupposes omniscience; and the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part."

This is a version of the "Time Travel Paradox" - a paradox which is proved unsolvable. But instead of facing this fact, Islam makes the ultimate surrendered to blind belief - even blind belief in the impossible. (Actually they have to - or face the fact that something is wrong. A fact which is too difficult to meet, because that means something is seriously wrong with the religion). But they are giving in to a claim in a book full of mistakes, dictated by the man who institutionalized al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), etc. - formalized later, but the foundations for it were introduced by Muhammad - and advocated breaking even your oaths if that gave a better result, not to mention that he practiced deceit ("war is deceit" or "war is betrayal" - and "everything" is war). Further comments should be unnecessary.

020 2/210d: "But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells that what is decided by a god, is decided by Yahweh - a quite another god than Allah in spite of the Quran's claims, as the teachings of the two are far too different to be made by the same one. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

The quote also includes that Allah decides - predestines - everything.

021 2/253k: "- - - but Allah fulfilleth His plan". According to the Quran Allah decides absolutely everything which happen in the world, and he decides it in accordance to his predestined Plan. Here: Has it been Allah’s Plan not to fulfill his Plan (which is to conquer and suppress the rest of the world) for some 1400 years?

022 2/253l: "- - - but Allah fulfilled His plan”. Predestination is central in the Quran. But full predestination like the Quran many places claims, means that man in case has no free will - both at the same time are impossible even for a god. See 3/154, 6/149a, 14/22b below.

023 3/47d: "- - - a Plan - - -". Allah predestines everything the Quran tells many places, and his predestinations are according to his Plan - a predestined plan no-one and nothing can change. (Why then f.x. pray to him, as nothing can change his decisions anyhow?).

#024 3/54ab: ”- - - and Allah too plotted and planned, and the best of planners is Allah.” It in reality is Allah who decides and predestines everything – “the best of planners”.

025 3/109c: "- - - to Him (Allah*) do all questions go back (for decision)". = Allah decides and predestines all things - and everything he predestines according to his unchangeable Plan. (Contradicting claim: Man has free will - impossible if Allah decides all things on beforehand. This makes up one of Islam's impossible questions: Predestination contra free will for man - impossible even theoretically to combine, even for a god. Islam is unable to explain this combination - only claims that it has to be true anyhow, as Allah/Muhammad says so in the Quran(!!)). Also see 3/154e, 6/149a and 14/22b below.

As for predestination contra free will for man, “The Message of the Quran” has this comment (6/141 to verse 6/149):

“In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true".

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but a blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness.

IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES AND PREDESTINES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE.

Predestination contra man’s free will actually is a version of “the Time Travel Paradox”, which is long since proved unsolvable. There is no way Allah can even be fully clairvoyant, not to mention decide everything on beforehand, and man at the same time have free will - not even partly free will, like some Muslims try to explain the problem away with. (More in the chapter about predestination in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".)

The ultimately clear and easy to understand claim.

Also things like forgiving, prayers, etc. are meaningless and impossible if everything is predestined.

026 3/145a: “Nor can a soul die except by Allah’s leave - - -". Predestination. One of the many, many never documented claims in the Quran. Muhammad never was able to prove anything at all about his claimed god or his own claimed connection to him. Also: You do not find general predestination in the Bible = a different religion.

###027 3/145b: “Nor can a soul die except by Allah’s leave, the term being fixed as by writing”. Wage war - you die when your term comes and not before, no matter what you are doing. The for Muhammad most essential side of predestination? It is easy by means of statistics to show the claim is wrong, but right or wrong does not matter much in cases of blind belief. But one thing is clear: Any man as intelligent as Muhammad did know this was a lie.

####028 3/145c: "- - - the term being fixed as by writing”. Everything is predestined by Allah and in accordance to his unchangeable Plan - also your death. By the way: As Allah's Plan is impossible to change, there is no use praying to him or asking for forgiving, as what is predestined cannot be changed. This is one of the Quran's basic contradictions in the Quran and in Islam: Allah predestines everything long time beforehand - according to Hadiths f.x. your destination in the claimed next life (Hell or Heaven) is predestined 5 months before you are even born - and according to an unchangeable Plan. But all the same you should pray to Allah for a better life and for acceptance to paradise, etc. etc. Where is the logic? If everything is predestined, prayers can have absolutely no effect. And if prayers have effect and can change things, predestination and a divine Plan are not true. Predestination combined with effect of prayers is as impossible as predestination combined with free will of man - even for a god. It is anybody's guess why Muslims do not see this.

####029 3/154e: “Even if you had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death (anyhow*).” This is the "manifest" of predestination. And: This also is one of the points in the Quran where Muhammad knew he was lying. It is so obviously wrong, that an intelligent man like him knew this was not true. But he was a clever manipulator (“is it not more worth that I live among you, and spend the booty on the people not sure in their belief to make them stay in Islam?” f.x.) and he understood people. Lies like this worked because his followers were primitive and in addition wanted to believe. And for primitive, uneducated souls really believing mish-mash like this (it is easy to prove by statistics that it is untrue, if one are un-intelligent enough not to see at once that it is a lie) it was a mighty incitement – fighting in battles was not dangerous, because Allah had decided when you were to die, and at that time you would die whether you were in a battle or sleeping in your bed. It is worth noticing that even today this is the official point of view of Islam. To quote footnote 3/119 to this surah in “The Message of the Quran” (translated from the Swedish 2006 edition - not found in the English 2008 edition):

“(The) incorrect, heathen belief that humans by acting in special ways can avoid death (even for a time*)”.

Unbelievable!!

Today it like said is easy to prove by statistics that 3/154 and similar are very wrong on this point - but Muhammad did not know about statistics (and a god had not even needed statistics to know it was stupidity). On the other hand this claim is so contra all logic, that this like said is one of the points where Muhammad knew he was lying - he was too intelligent to believe in this. Actually Islam today back-pedals very much concerning predestination, telling f.x. that the Quran does not mean real predestination (but not explaining what they claim it means). But some places the book is so clear, that it is impossible to explain it away. F.x. many places connected to statements that when your time is out, you will die anyhow, and therefore you can as well go to war.

#030 3/154f “Even if you had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death (anyhow*).” According to this, they would die anyhow - but another place and may be at a slightly different time. The laws of chaos means that this changes the future - may be much and may be for many. Allah's claimed unchangeable Plan is changed every time this happens. Something is seriously wrong also here in the Quran.

####031 4/32b: - - - but ask Allah for His bounty". Why? If Allah has predestined everything, prayers are a waste of time - nobody and nothing can change Allah's Plan according to the Quran.

This in reality is one more - but never mentioned - utmost severe contradiction in the Quran: If Allah has predestined everything according to his unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states several places, it is cheating and a parody to tell Muslims that prayers may have an effect - or that forgiving have any effect.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

032 4/111a: "- - - earn sin - - -". How can anyone earn sin if it is Allah who predestines everything everyone does, like the Quran claims many places? Predestination actually is one of the cornerstones of the Quran, not to mention for Muhammad's recruiting of warriors. Muhammad actually placed more stress on predestination in later years, when he needed more warriors. (On the other hand full predestination like the Quran claims many places, is impossible to combine with the claim that man has free will (and thus are responsible for his deeds) or with the claim that prayers can have any effect).

033 5/1j: "- - - Allah doth command according to His Will and Plan". Here the predestination surfaces again: Allah decides everything, and does so according to his Plan where everything of the future is planned, and not possible to change.

034 5/48m; "- - - (His (Allah's*) plan is) - - -". Allah decides everything, and according to his Plan which no-one can change. Predestination once more.

035 6/2d: “- - - and then (Allah*) decreed a stated term (for you).” Predestination once more. From other places (Hadiths) we know that your “stated term” (= how long you are to live) is decided by Allah when the fetus is 4 months old = 5 months before you are born. Which means you can as well go to war for Muhammad and perhaps become rich by looting, because you will die at a predestined day no matter. A related claim: At the same time as Allah decided your time of death, he also according to Hadiths decided whether you were to end in Paradise of Hell, and there is nothing you can do to change that diction. Any comments about f.x. a benevolent god or free will for man?

Nothing of this is from the Bible.

Allah had/has full predestination according to several verses in the Quran - Yahweh far from so according to the Bible. One more of the total proofs for that the two are not the same god.

036 6/34b: "- - - there is none that can alter the Words (and Decrees) of Allah". At least when it comes to what is claimed sent down in the Quran, reality alters quite a lot of it. (But this is indicating the predestination - Allah decides and nobody can change his decisions, according to the Quran. Incompatible with the Bible. And incompatible with the science of statistics.

037 6/39e: "- - - whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander (end in Hell*) - - -". This refers to predestination. According to Hadiths (al-Bukhari) Allah decides 5 months before you are born whether you are to end in Paradise or in Hell. Compare this to "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13), and weep. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Just guess!!

038 6/60c: "- - - that a term appointed be fulfilled - - -". = That Allah's predestination that you are to wake up again is fulfilled - Allah predestines EVERYTHING. (Incompatible with the Bible. And incompatible with the science of statistics.).

039 6/80i: "- - - unless my Lord (here indicated to be Allah*) willeth, (nothing can happen) - - -". Allah decides everything - this point in reality is about predestination. See 14/19d below.

040 6/107b: "- - - Allah's Plan - - -". This is the reason for and the origin of all predestination: Allah's Plan which nobody and nothing can change even a nanometer. There is no such Plan mentioned in the Bible.

###041 6/115e: “- - - none can change His (Allah's*) Words “. Predestination and his Plan. And free will for man. Allah decides everything, and no-body can change anything. (Then why f.x. pray for help or a better future, when everything already is decided, and the decisions impossible to change, because nothing can change his Plan?)

042 6/115f: “- - - none can change His (Allah's*) Words “. Perhaps no Muslim can, because that means that something is wrong in the foundation and fundamentals of Islam - they cannot afford to change any word in the Quran for that reason. But f.x. reality and science can show if some - a lot - of the words in the Quran are wrong. Which they are. And then there is Yahweh - according to the Bible it is Yahweh who has the final say on every point he wants to act on. Also there are changes in the Quran – the differences in the old Qurans, the different “ways of reading” (a camouflaged way to talk about what in reality are varieties of the texts), the abrogated verses and the change in the religion around/after 622 AD – by whom and why? Well, whoever the maker of the Quran is, he is contradicting himself, as he clearly changes it himself when something forces him to – try and fail? Or change his mind about more blood and injustice from 622 AD on? – or because of other problems or things he has learnt?

  1. 2/106: “None of our revelations do We (Allah*) abrogate or cause to be forgotten, But We substitute something better or similar”. Words can be changed. But where is then the omniscient god? An omniscient god had made the perfect rule at first try.
  2. 16/101: “When We (Allah*) substitute one revelation for another – and Allah knows best what He reveals - - -“. No doubt that he can change his own words, at least – when he did not do things right at once. (These two verses – 2/106 and 16/101 – are the main fundamentals under Islam’s rules for abrogation – making verses invalid when there are contradictions. Also a frequent way of hiding contradictions. See separate chapter about abrogation).

(2 contradictions).

p>###043 6/125a: "Those whom Allah (in his Plan) willet to guide - - -". One of the fundamental differences between Yahweh and Allah: Allah predestines your life from even before the beginning, included whether you are to end in Heaven or Hell (according to Hadiths this is decided when the fetus is 4 months old). Yahweh gives man freedom of choice, but accepts anyone - not only the ones "he willeth" - to his Paradise who honestly want and qualify. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Plainly and simply no.

044 6/125b: "- - - (in His (Allah's*) Plan - - -". The predestination again. Allah has everything planned, and nothing and nobody can change anything (actually why pray to Allah for help in problems, when nothing can be changed?) And full predestination means no free will for man. In spite of Muhammad's, the Quran's, and Islam's claims, to combine full predestination from Allah - like the Quran states several places - with even a snippet of free will for man, is impossible (proved by the laws of logic). The two are mutually excluding each other, and maximum one of the two claims can be true. (Islam's "explanation" here is pretty helpless: "Even if it is impossible it has to be true, because the Quran says so".)

045 6/128bb: “- - - we (humans*) reached our term (predestined day of death*), which Thou (Allah) didst appoint for us.” See 6/2d+e above.

046 6/134a: “All that hath been promised unto you (for better or worse*) will come to pass: nor can you frustrate it (in the least bit)”: Everything Allah has predestined for you, will happen. (A never answered question here is: Why then bother with praying to Allah, when everything is predestined, and nothing can change the predestinations?)

047 6/134b: "- - - nor can you frustrate it (Allah's predestination*) (in the least bit)". Nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestination and Plan - nothing and nobody at all. Then where is free will of man, and where is the rationale in praying?

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####048 6/149a: (A6/141 – in 2008 edition 6/143): “With Allah is the argument that reaches home (= the decisive arguments = it is Allah who decides*) - - - ". Predestination again - because Allah long since has decided everything according to his Plan. And man's claimed free will?

“The Message of the Quran” has this unbelievable comment:

“In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true.

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but for blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness.

IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE.

Predestination contra man’s free will actually is a version of “the Time Travel Paradox”, which is long since proved unsolvable. (In short: The king is murdered. A FTL-message (FTL = Faster Than Light) is sent to a star-ship off Sirius. FTL according to Einstein moves backwards in time, and arrives earlier than it was sent. The ship sends a warning to the king, and as it uses FTL, the warning arrives before the murder and the king avoids the murderer. Because of that no message is sent to the ship, which sends no warning to the king - and the king is murdered. The a FTL message is sent to the ship - - - -".) There is no way Allah can even be fully clairvoyant, not to mention decide everything on beforehand, and man at the same time have free will. (More in the chapter about predestination.)

Another proof for that there are things in the non-material parts of life which are impossible even for an omnipotent and omniscient god: Add one mathematical 1 to another mathematical 1. The only possible answer even for a god is the mathematical 2. There simply are things not possible even for gods. And to combine full predestination with even a tiny part of free will for man, is one of them - the laws of chaos inexorably prohibit it. A god may direct this and that to happen, but full predestination or full precognition is not possible if it is possible for man to change his mind, even if he can change it only now and then.

PREDESTINATION ALSO MAKES PRAYERS MEANINGLESS: IF ALLAH HAS PREDESTINED EVERYTHING, PRAYERS CAN CHANGE EXACTLY NOTHING. SIMILAR GOES FOR FORGIVING.

This point perhaps is the pinnacle in all Islam's ability to flee even from facts they see themselves, its inability to face hard facts even when they see them, and its ability and willingness to be blind and to overlook even the strongest facts and proofs for that things are very wrong in the Quran and thus with Muhammad and in Islam. Central claims which cannot be true, are accepted in pure superstition.

"Our fathers told us and our neighbors and mullahs tell us this is true, and then it must be true".

"We built our lives on this belief - it has to be true because it is too difficult for me to face the alternative".

You meet this lack of moral backbone, and the ability in Islam and in Muslims to overlook or explain away even the strongest facts, at every point in the Quran where there are mistakes, contradictions or other proofs for that something is wrong in the Quran, and thus with Muhammad and with his religion - proofs they are unable to face for that Islam as told in the Quran is not a religion, but a superstition.

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049 7/18: "- - - Hell will I (Allah*) fill with you all". A god who fills a hell with predestined victims, is he a good and benevolent god?

#050 7/34a: “To every people (nation, community*) is a term appointed - - -.” The fate of every nation/people is predestined - like everything else. And nothing can change Allah's Plan. (PS: As nothing can change his plan, why then pray for help then you are in difficulties? - nothing can be changed. Also: Man can have absolutely no free will - even a little free will is mutual excluding to full predestination-.

051 7/34c: "- - - not an hour can they (humans*) cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation)." Predestination is absolute - man can do exactly nothing. This means that man’s claimed free will is an illusion. But it also means that war and battles are not dangerous - you do not die until your time is out, but then you die whether you are in the midst of a hard battle, working in your fields, or sleeping in your bed. A very nice religion for a robber baron and for a warlord - wrong of course, which is easy to prove nowadays by means of statistics, but naive people even today may believe in it. But also see 7/34a above: Have prayers any meaning at all in Islam, when prayers can change nothing?

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

052 7/56c: "- - - call on (pray to*) Him (Allah*) - - -". What is the idea of praying for anything in Islam? According to the Quran - and Hadiths - Allah has predestined every detail in your and everyone else's life according to his unchangeable Plan - a Plan "nobody and nothing" can change. Thus prayers can have no effect and can change nothing, and just is a waste of time and effort - a fact (if the stated predestination is correct - and if it is not, the Quran is wrong) no Muslim ever mentions or tries to explain.

053 7/56d: "- - - call on (pray to*) Him (Allah*) - - - for the Mercy of Allah is (always) near to those who do good.

How can the claimed mercy of Allah come to light or have any effect, when everything already is predestined according to Allah's plan - a plan nobody and nothing can change according to the Quran?

054 7/89c: “- - - nor could we (humans*) by any manner or means return thereto (the right way*), unless it be as in the will and plan of Allah - - -:” It - according to the Quran - is Allah who decides everything in this (and in the claimed next) world, as he predestines everything according to his Plan, and you can do nothing which is not in his plan (which should mean that this book about the Quran is decided by Allah, and part of his Plan - thus there is no reason for Muslims to be angry with us, as it is Allah's decision that we should write it).

###055 7/99a: "- - - the Plan of Allah - - -". This refers to Allah's predestined running of the world and the heaven(s - plural like Islam insists) and perhaps also Hell. It is a rigid plan with no room for changes: Allah has decided everything long ago, and that is it - nothing and nobody can change anything in it according to several points in the Quran - total predestination (which in case means absolutely no room for any free will - partly like some Muslims try to explain it away with, or total. And in a way worse and never - never - mentioned by Muslims: Also there is no room for prayers in spite of what the Quran insists - if absolutely nothing can change the predestined Plan of Allah, also prayers can change nothing, and is just a waste of time and effort - and similar for forgiving). You meet this Plan many places in the Quran.

056 7/183: "My scheme (Plan*) is strong (and unfailing) - - -". Allah has already decided everything - the predestination has locked into place - or Plan - anything that is going to happen.

057 7/185c: "- - - their (humans' - in this case non-Muslims*) term - - -". The word "term" in the Quran mostly is used as a word for when something is coming to an end according to the predestined Plan of Allah - here the end of their lives. Predestination is a heavy fact in Islam, and you have to be a blindly believing or not thinking Muslim to be able not to see the impossibility in combining predestination - the total predestination of the Quran - with the claim that man has free will and also that prayers to Allah has any merit if everything already is predestined. Everybody but believing Muslims see this problem. Well, also some Muslims see it, but they flee from it.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

058 7/188a: "- - - except as Allah willeth". The predestination - nothing can happen except as Allah will. (But where then is the claimed free will of man?)

059 8/28a: "- - - a trial - - -". But why does an omniscient god who knows absolutely everything, included your innermost thoughts, and who on top of all according to many places in the Quran predestines everything and every detail on Earth and in everyone's life, need trials of his people?!? There exists no logic in it - not unless it in reality was Muhammad who needed an explanation for why Allah wanted his followers to fight for Muhammad.

  1. Predestination - Muhammad even came to stress predestination more and more as the years went by in Medina - one can speculate if the reason was that he needed more warriors.
  2. And this is a serious point: THROUGH 1400 YEARS ISLAM HAS BEEN UNABLE TO EXPLAIN THE CONTRADICTION BETWEEN THE STATEMENTS THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL, AND THE STATEMENTS THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERYTHING. THE MORE OR LESS OFFICIAL POINT OF VIEW (THOUGH NOT AMONG THE UNEDUCATED ONES WHO HARDLY UNDERSTANDS THE PROBLEM) IS THAT THE TWO STATEMENTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE, “BUT IT ALL THE SAME HAS TO BE TRUE, AS ALLAH SAYS SO IN THE QURAN”(!!!). ALSO THE SENDING PEOPLE TO HELL FOR A FAIR PUNISHMENT COMBINED WITH THE “FACT” THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERYTHING BY PREDESTINATION, IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE WITH THE PRESUMPTION OF A BENEVOLENT AND/OR FAIR GOD. Some Muslims back paddle very much on the point of predestination and try to explain that it is not real predestination, without explaining what it then is - but the Quran is too clear on this.
  3. PREDESTINATION ALSO MAKE PRAYERS INVALID IN ISLAM. IF EVERYTHING IS PREDESTINED LONG TIME AGO, AND PREDESTINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALLAH'S PLAN - A PLAN NOBODY AND NOTHING CAN CHANGE ACCORDING TO SEVERAL VERSES IN THE QURAN, AND WHICH THUS ALSO PRAYERS CANNOT CHANGE, TO PRAY FOR HELP OR ANYTHING FROM ALLAH JUST IS A WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT. SIMILAR GOES FOR FORGIVING.

060 8/44c: "For to Allah do go all questions go back (for decision)." All and everything ends with Allah for decision - because it is Allah who decides absolutely everything, and he decides it by predestination and according to his unchangeable Plan, which nobody and nothing can change, according to the Quran. (But if nothing can be changed from his predestined plan, which help can then f.x. prayers to Allah make? - everything is unchangeably locked to his Plan already according to the Quran!? - and man can have no free will).

###061 9/51a: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Allah decides everything. The predestination - but where then is the claimed free will of man which justifies Allah's punishments for sins? - not even Islam is able to explain that. Islam even admits it is not possible to explain it, but adds lamely that it all the same must be true, because Allah says so in the Quran(!!) (A6/141 - 6/143 in English 2008 edition). The ultimate defeat for the brain vs. blind belief.

And where is the effect of prayers in Islam, if Allah already has predestined what is going to happen, like the Quran tells he always do?

062 9/51b: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Predestination: To do battle is not more deadly than sleeping in your bed, as Allah already has decided your hour of death. Naïve and uneducated people and religious fanatics may really believe this - in those cases it is one terrific piece of pep talk for not being afraid of doing battle.

063 9/51c: “Nothing can happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Well, Islam tells it is the free will of man that brings on bad incidents and life. This verse contradicts that, to say the least of it. So just go safely to war.

A warrior or terrorist can only win - riches and glory or Paradise. (Mutilation, becoming a cripple etc. is never mentioned in the Quran).

Well, as said he may become a cripple f.x. and live a long life in misery - but that is never mentioned. Also his family may live in misery - also never mentioned.

Also the Quran NEVER mentions that the non-Muslims are humans and what the devastation of their culture and lives means to them - it is of absolutely no consequence and without the slightest interest to Islam or Muslims. The destruction of Persia - and for that case the East Roman culture or f.x. the terror in what is now Pakistan/India/Bangladesh and Africa - represented long series of terrible dramas and catastrophes for people and culture and science, but the only things which counted - and still counts - for Islam, was a lot of spoils of war - and power and riches for their leaders, and like it or not: Frequently forcing people to become Muslims - frequently by weapons, and always using social and other kinds of pressure - and by extra tax (jizya), often high. Even today we have never met a Muslim able to see this side of their wars or murders or suppression, not to mention what rape and enslavement meant to millions of victims - never to this day, not one single time have we heard a Muslim regret this. Only in the western culture the ability to see the fate of the victims is widespread - a military weak spot, but one of the points which perhaps make the western culture better than some others of the big ones. (To say anything good about the West is politically incorrect, but we do not care for what is politically correct - we are able to think ourselves, and what counts is what is correct, not what is politically correct).

###064 9/51ca: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Allah decides everything. The total predestination - - - and totally incompatible with the Bible, even though Yahweh sometimes directs the future.

065 9/85a "Allah's Plan - - -". Allah predestines everything, and he does it according to his Plan - a plan nobody and nothing can change. But how can he then punish man for sins Allah himself has planned and forced man to do? - Full predestination means no free will for man, no matter what the Quran claims - even Islam has given in explaining how both can be possible (A6/141) - and then: How can Allah punish for what man is forced to do? Also: Has prayer or forgiving any meaning when Allah already has decided the outcome?

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

066 10/12a: "When trouble toucheth a man, he crieth (prays loudly*) unto Us (Allah*) - - -. But when We (Allah*) have solved his trouble - - -". How is it possible to explain that Allah "solves trouble" because of prayers, when the Quran many places makes it 100% clear that Allah has predestine every detail of what happens on Earth according to his Plan, and that nothing and no-one, and thus no prayer from anyone, can change anything in that Plan?

067 10/49d: “To every people is a term (a date of ending*) appointed: when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation)”. This is contradicted by the Bible, where the future is changeable. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

068 10/53d: "And ye (wrongdoers*) cannot frustrate it (your destiny*)". Allah has decided - predestination rules. Different from NT where there is possibility to the very end, if there is honest regret and remorse.

Predestination also is proved wrong by science. Several aspects of the claims of predestination are possible to test, f.x. by means of statistics, and f.x. the claim that the chance for dying a certain day is not greater in a battle than when working in your fields, playing with your children, or sleeping in your bed, is thoroughly proved wrong. (The claim also is logically hopeless.)

#####069 10/64b: “- - - in the life of the Present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah”. What Allah decides is final - pure predestination and according to his unchangeable Plan. And many things he decides early – f.x. the day of your death and whether you will end in Hell or Heaven is (according to Hadiths) decided 5 months before you are born. And remember: According to the Quran Allah's predestined Plan is impossible to change by anyone or anything. Good or bad deeds, prayers or whatever - nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan, according to the Quran.

##070 10/64c: “- - - in the life of the Present and in the Hereafter, no change can there be in the Words of Allah.” For one thing this sentence has serious effect for the ones who say that predestination in the Quran, is not real predestination – when Allah has said/thought/written something, no free will of man can change anything - - - which means there is no free will, and things are predestined as sure as carved in stone. But more relevant just here is that there were many and sometimes large changes in Allah’s words after this “revelation” in 621 AD, and also just one year later Muhammad/Allah(?) started to change the religion totally and fundamentally (from a peace to a war religion). Thus this claim is contradicted by the changes in the Quran and in the religion (from quite peaceful to a full-fledged war religion) from around 622 - 624 AD.

The main change was that the entire religion was changed from something peaceful, to a religion of hate, suppression, inhumanities and blood. But there was a lot of other changes in what Allah (?) had said – all the contradictions which came because the religion was changed, and things had to be adjusted for, and all the abrogations (sorry; "substitutions" according to some Muslims – another, but nicer, name for just the same) which became necessary. So many abrogations, that they demanded explanations:

  1. 2/106: “None of our revelations do We (Allah*) abrogate or cause to be forgotten, But We substitute something better or similar”. Well, this is a contradiction – and an abrogation – in itself. This actually is one of the verses behind the use of abrogations in Islam. It may also be one of the reasons – may be the main reason – why abrogated and thus invalid verses (like 2/256: "Let there be no compulsion in religion") were included by Caliph Uthman in the Quran originally – they should not be abrogated in the meaning that they should be forgotten. But abrogations are absolutely necessary in Islam, because there are so many contradictions, that the situation would be impossible unless they could be eliminated by making a number of them invalid. Se separate chapter about abrogation in "1000+ Mistakes in the Queen". NB: Surah 2 from which this verse is taken, “arrived” in 622-624 AD. Allah’s words from 621 AD had to be dismissed rather quickly and on a large scale – the change to a robber baron and war religion had started.
  2. 16/101: “When We (Allah*) substitute one revelation for another - - -.” Yes, to “substitute” definitely sounds better than to “abrogate” – but the only difference is that “substitute” is daily English (though likely from Latin originally), whereas “abrogate” is more pure Latin. The meaning in this case is just the same. And this verse proves that Allah had to start “substituting” his proud words from 621 AD, maximum one – 1 – year later, because surah 16 is from ca. 622 AD. Allah’s (?) words are for the eternity – but not for long eternities when it is a tempting idea to start stealing and robbing, and it may be wise to have a war religion instead of a peaceful one. But one question: Was it Allah who found he had made a mistake by starting a peaceful religion? - or was is Muhammad who wanted warriors and needed a more warlike teaching which caused the marked change in Islam after 622 AD?

10/64 also totally abrogates the claim about free will for man, as it tells Allah's predestination cannot be changed. And not to forget: If Allah's predestined Plan is unchangeable like the Quran flatly states many places, also prayers are meaningless - they will have no effect on the predestined Plan.

The ironic fact is that this strong statement is proved wrong by even the Quran: There like said were many and deep changes "in the words of Allah" - changes necessary to change Islam from a quite peaceful religion before the flight to Medina in 622 AD, to a full religion of war and dishonesty (included stealing, etc.) from shortly after the arrival in Medina on.

#######As ironic: Both the sentence that there can be no change in Allah's words, and the changed words, rules, etc. from Medina today are central and strong points in Islam.

###070a 10/64d: “Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme Felicity.” The first sentence may partly explain why Muslims cannot admit the mistakes in the Quran, no matter how wild “explanations” they have to use. The second one is plainly wrong - see f.x. 10/39 above.

Also: This surah was dictated by Muhammad ca. 621. There were many changes in Islam after that – Islam even changed its basis fundamentally and completely from rather peaceful to a religion of robbing, apartheid, suppression, hate and war, built the sword and at least partly on dishonesty - al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah, deceit, betrayal, "break your oat if that gives a better result". (How could both these two conflicting directions - peaceful vs. full war religion - both be right and parts of the unchangeable teaching of Allah?) There also were many mistakes which science now see, where the “facts” are changed by reality, and there were many “signs” and “proofs” which the laws of logic in reality changed the moment they were pronounced (Muslims only do not know or refuse to see). His felicity was not and is not 100%.

070b 10/98d: "When they (the people of Nineveh*) believed, We (here indicated to be Allah*) removed from them the Penalty of Ignominy - - -". How was that possible if Allah has everything predestined according to his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change?

071 10/100a: "No soul can believe, except by the Will of Allah - - -." Is it then morally acceptable to condemn all the others to Hell, when their lack of belief is because Allah has decided it so? (according to Hadiths he decides whether to send you to Hell or to Heaven 5 months before you are even born). Very different from NT where everybody have the possibility and are welcome to search for Heaven.

072 11/3e: "- - - for a term appointed - - -". Predestination - Allah has appointed terms and times for everything according to the Quran.

073 11/6c: "- - - all is in a clear Record". = all is written on beforehand by Allah = everything is predestined.

#074 11/12f: "It is Allah that arranged all affairs!" Once more: It is Allah who decides and predestines everything - the famous predestination many Muslims deny is more than partly, because if Allah decides everything, it is highly immoral to punish man for his claimed sins, and also the claimed free will of man is an impossibility in case. But many places like here the Quran are 100% categorical: It is Allah who decides and arranges all things!

075 11/20a: "They (opponents to Islam*) will in no wise frustrate (His (Allah's*) design on earth - - -". Once again the predestination: None can change Allah's predestined plans.

076 11/34b: "Of no profit will be my (Noah's*) counsel to you (his non-Muslim (!) opponents), much as I desire to give you (good) counsel, if it be that Allah willeth to leave you astray - - -". The predestination again - if Allah has decided that you are to end in Hell, nothing and nobody can change your fate.

077 11/48c: "- - - whom We (Allah*) shall grant their (some people*) pleasures (for a time) - - -". Allah predestines (they will have "for a time").

078 11/56c: "There is not a moving creature, but He (Allah*) hath grasp in its forelock". = Allah directs it = the predestination once more: Allah decides everything. (To hold the forelocks is an Arab expression for that the one grasped has to obey what you decide. The universal god often uses Arab references, and like here references only Arabs understand if they are not explained. There often are no similar references from other parts of the world - strange for a universal god who has had thousands of prophets all over the world during thousands of years according to the Quran and Hadiths.)

079 11/76d: "- - - a Penalty that cannot be turned back!" What Allah has decided and predestined according to his Plan, nobody and nothing can change, according to the Quran.

080 11/101a: "It was not We (Allah*) who wronged them: they wronged their own souls - - -". Correct if man has free will, wrong if Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims again and again, perhaps if man has partly free will which some Muslims try to explain away this total contradiction with no possible explanation (even partly free will also is 100% contradicting many verses in the Quran clearly stating that it is Allah who decides everything).

081 11/104: "- - - for a term appointed". = For a predestined time.

082 11/107d: "- - - (Allah*) is the (sure) Accomplisher of what He planneth". = Nothing can change Allah's predestined plan. (But why then f.x. pray to Allah when you have problems - it will change nothing, as nothing can change his predestination? And why go to a doctor if Allah already has decided how your illness will end?)

083 11/119b: "- - - for this He (Allah*) created them". The Quran tells different places that Allah created some for Hell and some for Paradise, and this decision Allah made 5 months before you were born according to Hadiths, cannot be changed - no matter what you want or wish or pray or do, you in reality have no chance against his decisions and predestination. Some difference from the Bible and a lot of other religions - and in many cases from scientific facts.(F.x. statistics prove man on average live longer if he does not fight in wars and battles. And it f.x. proves that if you can prolong your life by using a doctor when you are ill. And that hard working farmers on average are better off than lazy ones with a similar farm. Etc.)

084 11/123c: "- - - and to Him (Allah*) goeth back every affair (for decision) - - -". = Allah decides everything. We are back to the "fact" of total predestination - "everything" - a "fact" many Muslims denies or try to explain away, as it means Allah is highly immoral when ha punishes someone for bad deeds - or rewards for good deeds - he himself has decided they should do.

And remember that with total predestination - "every affair" - there is no space for free will of man (or for f.x. effect of prayers or forgiving), not even a tiny wee bit. x - x = 0.

085 12/21f: "And Allah hath full power and control over His (Allah's*) affairs - - -". Allah decides everything, and nothing can change his Plan. Full predestination.

086 13/2j: "He (Allah*) doth regulate all affairs - - -". = Allah decides everything (and this he does by predestining every detail in life and in the world according to his unchangeable Plan, according to other verses in the Quran).

087 13/11b: "Verily (this definitely is no proved verity/truth*) never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves (with their own souls) - - -". But how can they change anything themselves, if it is true that Allah decides absolutely everything and according to an unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states many places? (For Muhammad it was essential to make Allah seem fair by claiming that man had free will and thus himself was to blame for bad deeds. But the good Muhammad was never able to combine this with another claim he needed to have many and daring warriors; predestination. Even Islam admits it is not possible to combine the two (but claims very lamely, that all the same it must be true as it is said so in the Quran - it is beyond the incredible what believers are able to believe if they just want to believe it (if it is Iblis/the Devil who is behind the Quran, perhaps he knew what he did anyhow.))

088 13/11d: "But when (once) Allah willeth a people's punishment, there can be no turning back - - -". Allah decides, and his decisions are final - nothing can change them.

089 14/10g: "- - - respite for a time appointed!" The predestination again - Allah has decided, and nothing can change his Plan.

090 14/27e: "Allah doeth what He willeth". Allah decides and predestines everything - and from other places in the Quran, we know he predestines according to his inflexible Plan which nobody and nothing can change.

091 15/4a: (A15/4): “Never did We (Allah*) destroy a people that had not a term decreed and assigned beforehand”. Here Mr. Yusuf Ali once more seems to have translated a bit freely – may be because he knew the real meaning impossibly could be correct. According to Muhammad Asad, “The Message of the Quran”, the literal meaning is: “Never did We destroy a people unless it (the community) had known a divine writ - - -.” Perhaps Mr. Yusuf Ali knew the rules for ”al-Taqiyya” (the lawful lie – a duty when it comes to defending Islam). Homo Sapiens is something like 160ooo – 200ooo (195ooo?) years old. Writing has existed just some thousands of years (15ooo?). But thousands and thousands of tribes and peoples disappeared before that. Can thousands of peoples – not persons, but peoples – have died out without Allah’s knowing it, before writing was invented and in contradiction to the Quran's claim that every people had had prophets and books like the Quran? Here something is wrong to say the least of it. And on top of that: There are not one single trace of something similar to the Quran written - or preached - before 610 AD.

092 15/4b: "- - - a term decreed and assigned beforehand". Everything is predestined by Allah.

093 15/5: “Neither can a people anticipate its term (date when its luck or life runs out - their day of death*), nor delay it”. No matter what people do, they cannot foresee or influence their date of death (not by staying home instead of going on raids or to battle? - not by taking medicine when you are ill?, - etc.?) Clear predestination - - - except what about self murderers - they decide when to die themselves(?)

094 15/42b: "Over My (Allah's*) servants (man/Muslims*) no authority shalt thou (Iblis/the Devil*) have, except such as put themselves in the wrong - - -". But how can anyone "put themselves in the wrong" if the Quran tells the truth when it many places claims that Allah decides - predestines - everything? Muslims will tell you about man's free will, but if Allah decides everything, man has not free will - and if man had free will, Allah cannot be entirely omniscient (because f.x. after Allah says "now I know the future", man always can change his mind once more, if he has free will - - - which in case means Allah's knowledge is wrong). Islam has given in finding an answer to this impossibility - only lamely says that it has to be true as it is said so in the Quran(!!) They forget that some of the immaterial laws are absolute even for omnipotent gods (an easy example we have mentioned before: One mathematical 1 + one mathematical 1 can give only one answer even for gods - the mathematical 2). There are things which are impossible also for omnipotent gods - f.x. to combine Allah's total predestination many times stated in the Quran, with full or partly free will for man. Or the other way around. Something is seriously wrong here.

095 16/33c: "But Allah wronged them (the sinners*) not: nay, they wronged their own souls". This is wrong if Allah decides everything - predestination - like the Quran strongly states several places. It may be correct if man has free will - but then Allah is not omniscient. (Muhammad needed predestination to get fierce and willing warriors - you did not die until Allah had decided, and then you could as well go to war and win wealth and women and slaves and merit in Heaven, as sleep in your bed. And he needed free will for man for his little cultivated and proudly free tribe people and even more for making punishment morally possible for a claimed good and benevolent and fair god. And unbelievably he was able to use both, even though they are impossible to combine even for gods. It is unbelievable what you can make people believe when they wish and want to believe - or are brainwashed and not really thinking.

######096 16/35e: YA here has an interesting comment (YA2057: "- - - the limited free will granted to man, which is the whole basis of Ethics". The Quran claims man has free will. As this obviously is wrong, as Allah predestines everything, some Muslims try to save the day by adjusting it to that the book and Allah in reality mean limited free will, something the Quran definitely nowhere says. The flat reality, though, is that if Allah decides and predestines everything, like the Quran states MANY places, there is nothing left for man to decide. Thus also "limited free will" is an impossibility. Worse: The fact that if Allah decides everything, there is nothing left for man to decide, is such a simple mathematics, that it is not possible YA and all other learned Muslims do not know it. x - x = 0. There exists no other possible answer. All the same they use this argument - and many simpleminded or uneducated or wishful believers believe it. You meet a little too much of this kind of dishonesty - corrupting the Quran - in Islamic literature.

##### But the really interesting point just here, is that YA clearly states the obvious: If man has no free will, all ethical questions concerning him disappears. What you are forced to do, tells nothing about your ethics. But on the other hand it tells a lot about the ethics of the one who forces you to do it. Not to mention what it tells about the ethics of the one forcing you, if he punishes you for bad things he has forced you to do. Allah predestines everything according to his Plan, according to the Quran. All the same Allah punishes you for the bad deeds he forced you to do to follow his Plan. What kind of god is this?!!

Thus Islam has at least five problems concerning predestination where the contradictions are so strong, that they are unsolvable even for an omniscient and omnipotent god:

  1. If Allah predestines everything like the Quran states most clearly many places, there is no room for free will of man, not even for "partly free will". x - x = 0 simply, and no other answer is possible. (Also full clairvoyance from Allah would be impossible - with free will man always could change his mind once more.) It also is symptomatic that we no place in Muslim literature have met an explanation for how "partly free will" should be possible. Like so much in Islam, it just is a claim hanging on nothing.
  2. If Allah predestines everything, and you thus just do what he has decided you shall do, how is it then ethically and morally possible to punish you for bad deeds? - and for that case reward you for good deeds? What kind of god is this?!
  3. ##### And the third problem - one Muslims and Islam NEVER mention: If Allah predestines everything, and does so according to his unchangeable Plan like the Quran states many places - and decides it even years and decades before it is to happen (your death and whether you are to end in Hell or Heaven f.x. are decided 5 months before you are born according to Hadiths) - there is no value in prayers, as prayers like everything else can have no effect on his decisions made according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change.
  4. ###### Also forgiving means to change Allah's Plan - which "nobody and nothing can do". "Ergo" to ask for forgiving is meaningless, as it is asking Allah change his predestined Plan for you. If Allah's full predestination is true, the Quran's talk about forgiving and effect of prayers are untrue.
  5. And we may mention a fifth problem: If nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan, also the pilgrimage to Mecca is without any effect, and thus invalid and meaningless. ###### Thus only because of this fundamental point in the Quran - full predestination - two of the claimed pillars carrying Islam - prayer and pilgrimage to Mecca - are without effect and value, and thus meaningless.

These are the reasons why you meet Muslims claiming that Allah's predestinations are not real predestinations, without explaining what it then is - and in stark contradiction to many clear statements in the Quran. And why you meet Muslims claiming the impossible - and like so often in Islam without logical explanation for how it is possible - that man has free will or at least partly free will, in spite of the 100% predestination stated frequently in the Quran, "because the claim has to be true because Allah says so in the Quran".

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

097 16/50b: "- - - and they (all living beings and angels*) do all that they are commanded". Allah decides literally absolutely everything for everyone and everything everywhere. Predestination. But is the sentence true?

098 16/53c: "- - - when ye are touched by distress, unto Him (Allah*) ye cry with groans - - -". Why? If everything is predestined according to Allah's Plan which nothing and no-one can change, prayers mean nothing for what is going to happen - good or bad.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

099 16/61c: "- - - for a stated Term - - -". = Until a predestined time.

100 16/61d: "- - - when their (people's*) Term expires - - -". = When their predestined time has come - Allah predestines everything.

101 16/61e: "- - - when their (people's*) (predestined*) Term expires, they would not be able to delay (the punishment) for a single hour - - -". Allah's predestinations are absolute - nothing can change it. (Then why f.x. pray to Allah when in difficulties? - Allah already has decided what is going to happen, and nothing can change his decisions.) Also remember this when Islam talks about free will for man - see 3/154 and 14/22b above.

#102 16/61f: "- - - when their (people's*) (predestined*) Term expires, they would not be able to delay (the punishment) for a single hour - - -". Not even by sincere prayers? Also there is no reason for using medicine, or stop the bleeding of a wound - Allah has long since predestined if you will survive or not.

Logically all this is nonsense. A fact confirmed f.x. by each Muslim using a doctor or treating a wound or an illness.

103 16/63d: "- - - but Satan made, (to the wicked), their own acts seem alluring - - -". But how could this happen, when the Quran so clearly states that Allah decides - even predestines and according to his unchangeable Plan - everything? Remember that free will for man is one of the things not possible even for an omnipotent god if there is full predestination - not even limited free will. (This is one more claim which is wrong in the Quran). See 14/22b above.

###################Many deeds the Quran promotes and even more which Muslims find attractive, are wicked ones according to normal moral codes. Is it Satan who has made them alluring to Muslims?

104 17/58c: "- - - the (eternal) Record - - -" = in this case Allah's Plan. With other words: Allah has predestined and put into his book, and what is written there, is going to happen - no-one can change Allah's predestination and Plan. BUT WHY DOES AN OMNISCIENT GOD NEED A RECORD?

105 17/75: "In that case We (Allah*) - - -". This means there existed alternatives. But how was that possible if Allah predestines everything and every detail in a Plan not possible to change, like the Quran claims many places. (Remember here that full predestination and at the same time free will for man is not possible - not even for an omniscient and omnipotent god. In the immaterial parts of reality there are lines not possible to cross even for gods - and predestination vs. free will for man is a version of "the time travel paradox", a paradox which is proved insolvable.

106 17/99g: "- - - He (Allah*) has decreed a term appointed - - -". The predestination once more: Allah has decided a fixed time for it - and no-one can change his Plan, according to the Quran.

107 18/27f: "- - - none can change His (Allah's*) words - - -". This in reality refers to Allah's claimed predestination and Plan. Allah predestines absolutely everything, and does so according to a Plan he has, and nothing can change that plan . If this is true, man has no free will, and Allah in case is extremely unjust and sadistic to punish humans for things he has forced them to do - - - and it also is meaningless to pray to Allah for help, because his predestinations and his Plan nothing and nobody can change. (Free will for humans one tries to explain with that it must be true anyhow, as Allah says so in the Quran. Why it anyhow pays to pray to Allah when nothing can change his predestined Plan anyhow, we have never seen explained.

108 18/39a: "Allah's will (be done)!" This is a very often repeated expression in Islam. It refers to the "fact" that Allah decides everything, and you should never forget that. It also may anger Allah if you do not say it, as this may indicate disrespect for his right to decide and for his power. This way of thinking at least partly is behind the fatalism you sometimes see among Muslims. On the other hand: If everything is predestined in accordance with a Plan which nothing can change, like the Quran claims, how can then the lack of these words change Allah's Plan?

109 18/58e: “- - - but they (non-Muslims*) have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge.” Predestination once more: Allah has decided when their end will come.

110 18/58f: "- - - appointed time - - -". = Predestination. This is one more 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Yahweh can decide that things are going to happen, and make it happen. But predestination like Allah uses 100% according to the Quran, does not at all exist in the Bible.

111 18/59b: “- - - We (Allah*) fixed an appointed time for their destruction”. Predestination. Humans may do this or that, but Allah decides.

112 18/59c: "- - - appointed time - - -". = Predestination. This is one more 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Yahweh can decide that things are going to happen, and make it happen. But predestination like Allah uses 100% according to the Quran, does not at all exist in the Bible.

113 19/4e: "Praying (here wrongly indicated to Allah*) - - -". Why pray to Allah if everything is predestined, and according to an unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states many places? Nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestined plan, so what is then the idea with prayers?

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

114 19/71d: "- - - a Decree which must be accomplished". The predestination - what Allah has decided must happen, because his Plan cannot be changed by anyone or anything.

115 19/83b: "Seest thou (Muhammad/Muslims*) not that We (Allah*) have set the Satan against the Unbelievers, to incite them with fury?". An interesting claim - impossible if Allah does not exist, but doubly possible if he exists and belongs to the dark forces (if he is behind the Quran and all its errors, he at least is no god).

116 19/84c: “- - - We (Allah*) but count out to them a (limited) number (of days)”. What Allah has predestined is what counts and cannot be changed. (Though how to combine it with free will of man?).

117 19/84d: "- - - We (Allah*) but count out to them a (limited) number (of days)". Once more the predestination - Allah has decided how long - or short - they are to live (according to Hadiths he does so 5 months before you are born, and at the same time he decides if you are going to end in Heaven or Hell). And if they live a good life; remember that this only is for a short time, and sooth yourself: They will be strictly punished in the next life.

118 19/94: "He (Allah*) does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) (all beings*) exactly." Allah decides everything and has everything predestined. Like so much in the Quran a not proved claim.

119 20/53a: ”He Who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; - - -”. In the Quran the Earth is flat. May be round like a pancake, but in case definitely flat - not like a sphere. That is what Muhammad believed, as that is what geography was like at his time - but a god had known it was wrong. (Actually there are 7 Earths according to the Quran (65/12) - one on top of the other according to Hadiths.) See also 2/22(?), 15/19, 43/10, 71/19, 79/30, 88/20.

120 20/82c: "- - - I (Allah*) am (also) He that forgives - - -". But what effect can (prayers for) forgiving have in Islam. If everything is predestine according to Allah's unchangeable Plan, forgiving can change nothing - what is decided years and decades ago, will happen no matter.

121 20/129a: “Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy (Muslims‘*) Lord (Allah*), (their punishment) must necessarily have come; but there is a Term appointed (for respite)”. Allah has decided the time (according to his Plan), and cannot not change it - may be to give the culprits a chance to become Muslims, but other places the Quran tells Allah makes it hard or impossible for some non-Muslims to find the way to Allah. Predestination.

122 20/129b: "- - - a term appointed - - -". Predestination again. Allah predestines every detail in your and everybody's life - included for all animals and all inanimate existence. And the predestination is not possible to change as it is done according to Allah's Plan, which "nobody and nothing can change".

123 21/40b: "- - - nor will they (non-Muslims*) (then) get respite". Predestination - Allah decides everything, and nothing can change his predestined Plan. Or may be simply a threat - see 3/77b above.

124 22/14h: "- - - for Allah carries out all that He plans". Allah plans and no-one can change his plans. Predestination is central in the Quran, and especially so in the later (chronologically) surahs.

125 22/18h: "- - - for Allah carries out all He wills". Predestination and Allah's Plan which no-one can change. Similar to 22/14d above. Also see 3/154 and 14/22b above.

126 22/33b: "In them ye (Muslims*) have benefit for a term appointed - - -". Allah likes you to sacrifice animals to him, so he gives you undefined benefits for a predetermined time. No comments.

127 22/33c: "- - - for a time appointed - - -". Predestination again. Many Muslims say there is not full predestination in the Quran (because then man has no free will, and Allah is immoral and unjust when he rewards and even worse when he punishes for deeds you have done), even though they never explain what there then is. They should read the Quran - there is no doubt whatsoever about that Allah decides every detail about everything.

Another fact is that also partly free will is impossible to combine with full predestination from Allah.

**128 22/41f: "- - - with Allah rests the end (and decision) of (all) affairs". There is no doubt; Allah decides and predestines EVERYTHING. Muslims trying to explain this away to give man some free will and thus make Allah less immoral when he punishes for bad deeds, should read the Quran.

##129 22/41g: "- - - with Allah rests the end (and decision) of (all) affairs". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells that Yahweh decides some and man with his real free will decides some - and nature and its living beings decides some. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

Predestination - the end rests with Allah because he has predestined everything (according to the Quran Allah predestines everything, and he does so according to his Plan which nothing and nobody can change - also this according to several points in the Quran.)

130 22/76b: “- - - to Allah go back all questions (for decision).” It is Allah who decides everything = full predestination - how can he then judge non-Muslims and bad Muslims to Hell for being forced/led to do what they believed they decided themselves, but which in reality were Allah’s decisions? (This is the reason why many Muslims try to explain away (full) predestination.)

131 23/43: ”No people can hasten their term (time of ending*) nor can they delay it”. Predestination. No matter what they do and how much free will they use – they can do nothing but what is foretold in Allah’s predestination - his Plan. Is there then any free will for man?

132 24/57a: "Never think thou that the Unbelievers are going to frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth - - -". The Quran makes it very clear many places the Allah predestines absolutely everything, that the predestinations are according to his Plan, and that nobody or nothing can change his Plan (by the way: Why then spill time and energy on praying to him for help or a better future, if everything is predestined already and nothing can change his Plan?).

It also is very clear that the goal is total world dominance.

133 24/57b: "- - - (Allah's Plan) - - -". According to many places in the Quran, Allah predestines absolutely everything in this world - it was the only world Muhammad knew about. This predestination is absolute, and nobody and nothing can change anything. Everything also is predestined long time before - the time of your death and whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven (!) are f.x. predestined when a fetus is 4 months old - 5 months before it is born. And everything is predestined in accordance with Allah's Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. (What about free will for man or effect of prayers or forgiving?)

134 25/77b: "- - - if ye (non-Muslims*) call not on Him (Allah*) - - -". But what would be the idea of calling on him when everything all the same is predestined according to many places in the Quran?

135 27/62a: "- - - who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him (Allah*), and who relives its suffering - - -?" How do this fit the strong claims in the Quran about Allah predestining everything according to a Plan which no-one and nothing can change the very least? Either Allah has decided a better future for you or he has not - nothing can change his Plan - - - which means that either the Plan is untrue or changeable, or your prayers/call on Allah are wasted time. (But predestination was necessary for Muhammad to get as many and as fearless warriors as possible - predestination meant that battles were not more dangerous than staying home, and in battles you could gain loot.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

136 28/30g: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

137 28/82c: "It indeed is Allah Who enlarges the provision or restricts it - - -". This is the Quran's standard explanation for why non-Muslims and bad Muslims often have a better life than good Muslims: Allah in his unfathomable wisdom has decided it like this - the predestination again. But sooth yourself; you will come out best in the next life. Nothing of this is ever proved, but that does not matter, as long as people believe it. And as this was Muhammad's standard explanation, it was - and is - nice to have it "confirmed" by others like here (and some other places).

138 29/5c: ”- - - for the Term (appointed) by Allah is surely coming - - -.” Predestination - Allah decides. Also this is a real possibility. The many cases where Allah(?) supported his personal needs and his hunting for power and for that chase for women (f.x. Zaid's wife) may point to this - there are so many "prophets" through the times who have used similar methods like Muhammad, though the military power of the united Arab tribes gave him/his successors more success than the others - with a partly (but only partly) exception for Indonesia, Islam’s expansion was built on war and then suppression (or worse) afterwards of the ones who refused to become Muslims.

#####139 29/22a: “Not on earth nor in heaven will ye be able (fleeing) to frustrate (His Plan) - - -“. Predestination. No-one can change what Allah has destined in his Plan. What then about the effect of prayers? - and what about free will for man? - not to mention: What then about man's moral responsibility for his words and deeds?

140 29/40c: "It was not Allah Who injured (or oppressed) them (non-Muslims*): they inquired (and oppressed) their own souls". Wrong if they were forced to do what they did by Allah's predestination - a predestination the Quran several places says is total and according to Allah's unchangeable Plan.

141 29/53f: “- - - had it not been for a term (of respite) appointed (by Allah*), the Punishment would certainly have come to them (non-Muslims*) - - -”. Very well - then Muhammad had an explanation why “bad” people lived a good life, and he had to prove nothing - it just was Allah’s unfathomable will which did it, or like in this case; his predestined Plan.

142 29/62a: The reason why some has a meager life but others a rich one, is that Allah in his wisdom decides it like this: Allah decides and predestines.

143 30/4b: "With Allah is the decision, in the Past and in the Future - - -". Allah decides everything - predestination. (As for the number of years in this case, see 30/2-4 just above).

144 30/4c: "With Allah is the decision, in the Past and in the Future - - -". Often claimed, never proved - and may be f.x. Yahweh wants a word - if he exists (if the old books tell the truth, there are some indications for his existence - there is none for Allah's (only claims)).

145 30/5b: "He (Allah*) helps whom he wills - - -" - and consequently not whom he not wills. No comment necessary. Except f.x. that your destination - Hell or Paradise - is decided for you before you are born, predestined by Allah, and if he has destined you for Hell, you get no help (this according to Hadiths).

146 30/8c: "- - - for a term appointed - - -". Predestination - which many Muslims claims do not really exist or is not really real predestination, because if Allah predestines the life of humans, it is most unjust and immoral to punish man for what sins he makes. (FREE WILL FOR MAN IN CASE DOES NOT EXIST, IN SPITE OF WHAT THE QURAN SAYS - THE TWO ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUDING EACH OTHER, AND MAXIMUM ONE CAN BE TRUE.). But there is no doubt about full predestination in the Quran - it is stressed many times, and much more in the Medina than in the Mecca period - in Medina Muhammad needed warriors not too reluctant to fight and to die.

###147 30/8d: "- - - for a term appointed, did Allah create the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth, and all between them - - -". "- - - for a term appointed - - -" = predestined. Also: Natural phenomena where Muhammad like so often without any proofs or debate claims the honor of creation for his god. One may say he only was telling about it. But when all there is are tales, and nothing - nothing - is proved in spite of many requests, and in spite of even Muhammad telling proofs had been simple for Allah "if he wished", and when a lot of the tales even are clearly wrong, an "explanation" like "he only is telling about things", is not acceptable any more. Somewhere a teller of tales crosses the line between telling about things and bluffing. Muhammad clearly is bluffing too many places - even lying at least a few (100+ ?) places in the book. And remember that also bluffs are a kind of lie.

148 30/19a: "It is He (Allah*) who brings out the living - - -." Glorifying Allah for a natural phenomenon never proved to be his making - like so often in the Quran. Also see 11/7a and 21/56c above.

149 31/22f: "- - - with Allah rests the End and Decision of (all) affairs". There is no doubt when claiming that man has free will, the Quran is wrong: Allah decides all things - the predestination. (Actually this is said many places and in many ways throughout the Quran). If Allah decides all things, man has no free will. But how fair, how good, and how benevolent is Allah then when he punishes man for sins Allah has decided he shall make? And what is the effect of prayers if everything is predestined - included your prayer?

Either free will for man or predestination is wrong (or both). There is no way to combine the two statements - not even for an omnipotent god. (In the non-material realms of existence, there are things impossible also for gods.)

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

150 32/5b: "He (Allah*) rules (all) affairs from the heavens (plural and wrong) - - -". Allah decides - predestines - everything.

151 33/3c: "- - - (Allah is*) a Disposer of all affairs". Allah decides everything - predestines everything.

152 33/16b: “Running away will not profit you, if you are running away from death or slaughter; and even if (ye do escape) , no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy”. Wrong. It is very easy to prove by means of statistics, that if you get away from a battle, your chances for being alive one year later, greatly improve. Any god had known – but Muhammad did not know statistics. (Actually the claim also is strongly contra-intuitive and as strongly against common sense – #####he had to know they were lies even if he knew no statistics. But predestination was good propaganda for getting more warriors and more ferocious warriors. Also see 3/154 below).

Another fact: Even a short piece of time + another place of death are divergences from Allah's omniscient previous predestination and knowledge. The laws of chaos would make such divergences felt and make Allah's total precognition invalid + disturb and change at least details in his Plan.

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**153 33/16c: “Running away will not profit you (Muslim warriors*), if ye are running away from death or slaughter, and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy”. Well, this proves two things: It is not possible to escape predestination - no matter what Islam tries to tell you today that "it is not real predestination" (with full predestination man has no free will, and it is immoral by Allah to punish for sins or reward for good deeds) - and that in spite of the Quran, you at least can change your destination with “a brief respite“. A respite that at least has to be for some hours or days - if not there had been newly-dead frightened warriors laying around the nearest tens and more kilometers from some battlefields (because of their predestined hour or minute of death) - dead for no obvious reasons after fleeing from battle.

This in addition to that modern statistical science long since has proved this verse nonsense. This even more so as even if they had got "no more than a brief (respite)", the laws of chaos then had changed the future - and Allah's precognition was gone.

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154 33/16d: “Running away will not profit you (humans/Muslims*), if ye are running away from death and slaughter; and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy.” This is one of the really clear declarations: Go to war for Muhammad (and his successors), because you will not die until your time is up anyhow – and when it is up, you will die no matter. (It is likely this was the main reason behind Muhammad's strong claims about predestination, and also for the fact that he seems to have put more stress on predestination in later years.

155 33/16e: “Running away will not profit you (humans/Muslims*), if ye are running away from death and slaughter; and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy.” This is one more 100% proof for that something is wrong: Even if it had been true that they would be given only a brief respite and a step away, the laws of chaos had changed the future because of that respite, and thus changed Allah's claimed unchangeable Plan - and made his precognition invalid.

156 34/26f: "- - - He (Allah*) is the One to decide - - -". Allah decides and predestines everything - then where is the free will of man?

157 34/30b: “The appointment to you is for a Day, which ye cannot put back for an hour nor put forward”. Predestined. Whatever you do, you cannot change the hour of your death that Allah has decided. Not even by leaving Mecca at Hajj if you are a sheep. Or using medicine when you are ill. Or by being careful when crossing busy roads. The same for a man in a battle - to instead sleep in your bed will not help.

158 35/4d: "- - - to Allah go back for decision all affairs". Allah decides and predestines everything. Where then is man's free will? Those two are not possible to combine, in spite of Islam's not only unproved, but unexplained and unexplainable claims (A6/141 - English 2008 edition 6/143: "- - - the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and therefore the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on the one side, and man's free will on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it (!!*), seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran - a book full of mistakes, etc.*) both must be true". Unbelievable naivety.)

159 35/4e: "- - - to Allah go back for decision all affairs". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells that Yahweh has quite a say (though he does not have full predestination, and man has real free will - clear proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god). Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

160 35/11f: “Nor is a man long-lived granted length of days, nor is a part cut off from his life, but is in a Decree (ordained).” Allah has decided - predestined - how long you are to live.

161 35/11g: "(The length of your life*) is in a Decree (ordained)". Predestination is very clear in the Quran, even if many Muslims try to tell it "is not really predestination" (= they corrupt the words of the Quran), because full predestination like the Quran very clearly states many places, means man is not the one guilty for the sins he commits, and Allah is highly unjust punishing anybody for sins - or rewards for good deeds. Full predestination also means that man has no free will - there are combinations even gods cannot make.

162 35/13c: "- - - (the sun and the moon*) each one runs its course for a term appointed". Predestination once more - even for the sun and the moon.

163 35/45d: "- - - stated Term - - -". The predestined time.

164 35/45e: “- - - when their term expires - - -“. Allah has set terms of time - predestination - and nothing can change his predestinations, his Plan.

165 36/38b: "- - - for a period determined by Him (Allah*) - - -". For as long time as Allah has predestined.

166 38/81: "- - - the predestined Time Appointed". The Day of Doom.

167 39/5f: "- - - for a time appointed". This is a Quranic expression normally meaning "until the point of time Allah has predestined".

168 39/42c: ”- - - those on whom He (Allah*) has passed the decree of death - - -.” Allah decides - predestination.

169 39/42d: "- - - for a time appointed". = For the predestined time - Allah predestines everything.

170 39/51d: "- - - and they ("wrongdoers"*) will never be able to frustrate (our (Allah's*) Plan)". The predestination again: Allah decides everything and nothing can change his decisions and Plan.

171 39/51e: "- - - (our (Allah's*) Plan) - - -". Allah has made a Plan for everything which is going to happen in the entire future, and he predestines everything according to this Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. If this is true, out of the window goes even the smallest morsel of man's claimed free will - - - and in comes a question Islam is not able to meet: How can Allah punish - and reward - humans for their deeds, if he himself has predestined everything? Islam tries to cover this problem by means of mysticism like "partly free will", which the laws of chaos makes as destroying for predestination and precognition as full free will - or: "it is just that humans cannot understand how the combination of Allah's deciding of everything and man's free will is possible", or "man's free will is piggybacked on the predestination" - but we have never seen an explanation for what this really means, or for how it makes space for free will for man. But in the immaterial parts of existence there are things impossible even for an omnipotent god, but the combination simply is not possible.

172 39/62b: "- - - He (Allah*) is the Guardian and disposer of all affairs." Allah decides everything - the predestination.

173 40/67c: “(Allah*) lets you (living beings*) reach a Term appointed - - -”. Allah lets any living being reach the time for dying he has decided. Though if you are a sheep and are brought to Mecca before Hajj, it is easy to prove by means of statistics that you had had a much better chance to be alive after Hajj if you had stayed at home. And the same for a man in a battle. Well, a person with some knowledge and a rational brain needs no statistics to see those two conclusions.

174 42/14c: "- - - a Term appointed - - -". Here predestination surfaces again.

#####175 42/50e: (A42/52 - English 2008 edition A42/51): "The purport of this passage is a re-affirmation of the fact that whatever happens to man is an outcome of Allah's unfathomable will - - -". The total predestination confirmed once more. Where then is man's claimed free will? - with total predestination it does not exist - not even a microgram of it.

176 46/3e: "- - - (created*) for a term appointed - - -". Everything is created "for a term appointed" - Allah predestines everything.

177 46/32b: "- - - cannot frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth - - -". Again the predestination and Allah’s Plan which nobody and nothing can change - what Allah has planned and decided, nobody and nothing can change.

#####178 47/31d: This verse - and quite a number of others - does not give meaning if Allah is omniscient and knows everything. If he is omniscient, he also knows everything about you. Not to mention if he on top of all predestines everything, so that you just are a puppet in a puppet theatre reacting to his Plan only.

But if this is Muhammad needing an explanation for why he sends warriors out to steal and enslave and enlarge his power, then suddenly tales like these are logical - if his followers were naive enough or blind enough.

179 49/7f: "- - - but Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and made it beautiful in your hearts - - -". Allah or someone else? The Quran's many mistakes, its partly immoral moral code, and its inhuman war religion may make one think about forces very different from benevolent gods.

180 52/8: "- - - there is none can avert it (Allah's decisions*) - - -". Allah has the final word about everything, according to the Quran.

181 53/26a: "However many be the angels in the heavens, their intercession will avail nothing, except after Allah has given leave for whom He pleases - - -". Other places in the Quran states that there will be no intercessors, but at least there are, if Allah permits.

182 53/39: "- - - Man can have nothing but what he strives for - - -". How does this compare with the Qurans' many statements that Allah predestines everything, also what you get and what you not get, because that in addition are gifts from Allah’s abundance? ###This claim simply is wrong if Allah predestines everything like the Quran states.

183 54/3b: “- - - every matter has its appointed time.” Predestination - Allah has appointed a time for each and everything when to happen.

###184 54/12c: "- - - the water rose to the extent decreed". = To the extent predestined. You will meet Muslims saying the Quran is not talking about real predestination (to be able to claim man has at least partly free will). There is no reason to believe them - the Quran is very clear on predestination, and that predestination is full and complete, and that Allah predestines absolutely everything. The book also is very clear on that Allah does his predestination according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change - - - which f.x. means that there is no free will for man, and that prayers in Islam has no meaning as everything already is predestined long time before. Not even a god can combine these two things with predestination - even Islam has given in to explain how that could be possible (that is to say, they have given in explaining predestination contra free will for man - predestination contra prayers or contra forgiving and their futility if predestination exists, they never debate).

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

185 57/5c: "- - - all affairs are referred back to Him (Allah*)". = In the end of all cases it in reality is Allah who decides everything - the in the Quran well known predestination; everything have to be run by "Allah's Plan", which nothing and nobody can change.

186 57/22a: "No misfortune can happen on earth or in your (humans'*) souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence - - -". Anything which happens on earth and even anything you think and feel ("happen - - - in your soul") are claimed predestined - decreed -by Allah.

187 57/22b: "No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence - - -". Everything which happens is not only predestined by Allah, but even recorded "in a decree" before Allah makes it happen. But where is then the justice in punishing man for sins, when it is Allah who has decided it and made it happen??!! And where is free will for man, etc.?

##188 57/22c: “No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls (minds*) but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) brings it into existence - - -.” In more plain words: Nothing can happen unless in accordance with predestination - with what Allah has decided and written down on beforehand. But this contradicts each and every verse saying man has free will and also that man is to blame when he does something wrong. And what about accidents and natural catastrophes – are they planned and executed like Calvin by the drawer/artist in Calvin and Hobbs – by a benevolent, good god? Not to mention: What about prayers? - if everything is predestined long before and in accordance with a Plan nobody and nothing can change, also prayers can change nothing and are in case meaningless in Islam.

(At least 10 contradictions).

189 57/22d: “No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence: that is truly easy for Allah:” See 4/78 above, Plus: How do Islam explain why Allah makes natural disasters - like the tsunami of 2004 (which killed mostly Muslims)? And how do they explain why non-Muslims are condemned to Hell, when “no misfortune in your souls” f.x. not becoming Muslims, can happen except by the will of Allah? A benevolent god?

190 57/22e: "No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence: that (predestination*) is truly easy for Allah". Many Muslims try to explain away the predestination - that it "is not really predestination" or "it is not full predestination" or something like that (and thus corrupting the texts in the Quran). The reason is that if Allah predestines everything like the Quran clearly states, he is unjust when he rewards or punishes people for what they do. Therefore Muslims need - and Muhammad needed - free will for man so that man can be blamed for things himself. But free will for man is impossible to combine with full predestination except in occultism, mysticism, and fairy tales, and thus you meet these claims about "not real predestination", etc. and "partly free will", etc. But this verse (and many others) leaves no doubt about that everything is predestined by Allah, and that predestination is easy for Allah. (NB: Also partly - even a tiny part - free will for man makes predestination and also precognition from difficult to (mainly) impossible - the laws of chaos see to that.)

191 62/8a: "The Death from which ye (Jews*) will flee will truly overtake you - - -". According to the Quran it is not possible to make your death come later than what Allah has predestined. His predestination is absolute, and nothing and nobody can change it.

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###192 62/9c: "- - - prayer - - -". What are the idea with and the effect of prayers in Islam? The Quran MANY places states that Allah predestines absolutely everything, and he predestines it according to his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. And he predestines it long time before it is going to happen - he f.x. according to Hadiths predestines whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven already when you are a 4 months old fetus = 5 months before you are born. Now the Quran tells that man also has free will - a qqqqqqqqqqqqqnecessary claim not to make Allah very unjust when he sends a person to Hell for sins (or for that case rewards him for good deeds) - but those are two things which are impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god to combine. Give man even the slightest degree of free will, and the laws of chaos inexorably finish off predestination - the god can make things happen by adjusting this and that, but the moment man gets the possibility to change his mind once more about something, full predestination is gone - and the same is full precognition. Even Islam admits that full predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man (some claim that partly free will is possible, but that is wrong - the laws of chaos are very clear on that point; the so-called "butterfly effect" kicks in): We quote ###(A6/141 - comment to verse 6/149): “In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true". But here Islam is leaving religion, and entering pure mysticism or fairy tales. In the non-material realms of life there are things impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god. Proofs for this in 6/149a above.

If there is complete predestination in Islam like the Quran states absolute several places in the Quran, prayers can have no effect in this religion - everything is already decided and nothing can be changed in Allah’s long since predestined Plan. To claim the opposite just is mysticism, not religion. And similar goes for f.x. forgiving.

Combine this with 67/9c and you get a dark picture.

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193 63/11b: "- - - the time appointed (for it) - - -". Predestination once more - and as normal in the Quran it is claimed to be impossible to change Allah's predestination. Then why bother to try?

194 64/11a: "No kind of calamity can occur, except by the leave of Allah - - -". Allah decides and predestines everything.

##195 68/28c: "Why not glorify (Allah)?". (A68/14): "This is obviously a reference to their (non-Muslims'*) failure to realize that nothing can come about unless the Almighty (Allah*) so wills". We include this as a sample of modern Islam's point of view on Allah deciding everything - he predestines absolutely everything according to the Quran even today - contra the Quran's and Islam's claims about man's free will (or partly free will as some Muslims try to explain away the impossibility with - but if Allah decides everything "partly free will" is as meaningless - and as destroying for full precognition or predestination by Allah - as free will). As you see also modern Islam claims that Allah decides everything - - - but also tries to explain that all the same man has free will, even if they admits it is impossible to combine with full predestination by Allah (see A6/141 - comment to verse 6/149 above).

196 70/41: "- - - (- - - Our (Allah's*) Plan)". Allah has anything - even the smallest details - planned and predestined in his Plan which nobody and nothing can change.

197 71/4c: "- - - for a stated Term - - -". = For the term Allah has predestined.

Full predestination does not exist in the Bible. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. If they had been, such a central point as this had been the same from the two.

198 71/4d: "- - - when the Term given by God (here Allah*) is accomplished, it cannot be put forward". When Allah has predestined something and made it part of his Plan, nothing and nobody can change it - what Allah has predestined, cannot be changed. (Then why f.x. prayers, as nothing can change his predestinations according to the Quran?)

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

199 73/19c: "- - - whosoever will, let him take a (straight) path to his Lord (Allah*)". This is a much more friendly statement than what the Quran says many other places in the Quran, where it is made clear that Allah decides everything and even if you are to end in Hell or Paradise (according to Hadiths, this is decided by Allah 5 months before you are born). But this early (611 - 615 AD) statement is both contradicted and abrogated (made invalid) by later verses telling that Allah decides everything.

200 74/56a: "But none will keep it in remembrance except as Allah wills - - -". See 74/31k+l above.

201 72/25b: "- - - or whether my (Muhammad's/Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) will appoint for it a distant term". The predestination once more - Allah predestines everything, according to the Quran. (You will meet Muslims claiming it is not real predestination, as predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man - even partly such - and thus it is immoral for Allah to reward or punish people for what they do. But the Quran is extremely clear on that Allah predestines every detail of every ones' life and much more.

##202 76/30a: “But ye (humans*) will not, except as Allah wills.” Total predestination. Contradicted by:

  1. 8/30 (614-618 AD): “Whenever misfortune happens to you (humans*), it is because of the things your hands have wrought - - -”. Also see 6/22 (630-632 AD): “No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence.”

But also see all the places where Muhammad tells his people that battle is not dangerous - and refusing to do battle is to no avail - as Allah has long since decided the hour of their death, and nothing they do or not do, can change that hour. This point really goes to the heart of two facts in Islam:

  1. Muhammad came to stress predestination more and more as the years went by in Medina - one can speculate if the reason was that he needed warriors.
  2. And this is a serious point: THROUGH 1400 YEARS ISLAM HAS BEEN UNABLE TO EXPLAIN THE CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL, AND THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERYTHING. THE MORE OR LESS OFFICIAL POINT OF VIEW (THOUGH NOT AMONG THE UNEDUCATED ONES WHO HARDLY UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM) IS THAT THE TWO STATEMENTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE, “BUT IT HAS TO BE TRUE AS IT IS SAID IN THE QURAN”(!!!).
  3. ALSO THE SENDING PEOPLE TO HELL FOR A FAIR PUNISHMENT COMBINED WITH THE “FACT” THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERYTHING BY PREDESTINATION, IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE WITH THE PRESUMPTION OF A BENEVOLENT AND/OR FAIR GOD. Some Muslims back paddle very much on the point of predestination and try to explain that it is not real predestination, though unable to explain what it then is - but the Quran is too clear on this.
  4. Islam also never has explained how prayers can have value or meaning if Allah has predestined everything and according to his unchangeable Plan long time ago.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

ACTUALLY THIS ONE IS EXTRA INTERESTING, AS IT CONFIRMS THAT ALLAH DECIDES WHAT A HUMAN WILL. AND WHERE IS THEN THE CLAIMED FREE WILL OF MAN ?

203 79/42b: "- - - its appointed time - - -". Allah predestine everything according to his unchangeable Plan - included the Day of Doom.

204 79/44: "With thy (Muslims'/Muhammad’s*) Lord (Allah*) is the Limit fixed therefore". Allah decides and predestines absolutely everything according to the Quran.

205 85/19c: "- - - the Unbelievers (persist) in rejecting (the stories Muhammad told*) - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother of the Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100%, like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, forgiving, etc., if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined)) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 4 reasons - 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1.  When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "butterfly effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (or Muhammad?) claims he is a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change. Similar goes for f.x. forgiving.

Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, 7/34a, 14/22b, and not least 27/22-26 above.

####206 86/16:## "And I (Allah*) am planning a scheme". This is one of the verses behind the dishonesty in Islam - al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing) - not to mention "war is deceit" and "break your oath if that will give a better result" - and pay expiation in bad cases. (f.x. 2/225a (thoughtless oaths),5/89a+b (expiation for deliberate oaths), 16/91e (oaths are not a problem less you confirm them, then you should not break them (expiation is necessary in case)), 66/2a (the dissolution of your oaths (the translator has added "in some cases"), and the star case in 3/54 - If Allah can deceive, there of course is nothing immoral in doing so if there is a reason. And this view on deceit existed in Islam at least as early as in 614 AD when this surah is dated. Also see 2/26h, 3/54, 4/142a, 8/30, 10/21b, 13/42a, and 27/50 above.

Just for the record: Al-Taqiyya and Kitman can be used at least in the cases below (for broken oaths there are given no real limitations if the broken oath will give a better result. By implication this also goes for ordinary promises, as an oath is something stronger than a normal promise):

  1. To save your or others' health or life.
  2. To get out of a tight spot or a dangerous problem.
  3. To make peace in a family.
  4. When it will give a better result than honesty or honoring one’s oath.
  5. To cheat women (should be remembered by girls with Muslim boyfriends wanting sex - or wanting a marriage to get residence permit in a rich country.)
  6. To deceive opponents/enemies.
  7. To betray enemies.
  8. To secure one’s money (very clear from Hadiths).
  9. To defend Islam. (Ought to be used if necessary to succeed.)
  10. To promote Islam. (Ought to be used if necessary to succeed - should be remembered by proselytes.)

But al-Taqiyya, etc. is a double-edged sword: In the short run you may cheat and deceive some ones – actually also in the long run if the opposite part does not know about this side of Muslims and of Islam, or if he/she is naïve. But what about in the long run?

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It also is pretty thought provoking that f.x. all the errors, contradictions, wrong facts, etc., only and alone, in the Quran, prove 100% that there is no god behind that book. And that f.x. the fact that Jesus accepted OT as correct, proves to both Christians and Muslims that the OT was not falsified at that time - and that the Qumran scrolls prove that even OT was not falsified any time later, too.

It further is an insult to that possible god to "explain" that his texts means something different from what they really says = you are more clever than him at explaining what the god "really" meant, than the god is himself, even when he tries to explain things "clearly and easy to understand", and says his words are to be understood literally and without hidden meanings. Also only "the sick of heart" look for hidden meanings behind his words, according to the Quran - the very claimed hidden meanings the wise Muslims claim are what Allah really meant, but was unable to express clearly himself, so that they have to help the bumbling god and tell what he "really" tried to say. This in spite of that the Quran clearly states that meanings hidden behind Allah's clear and easy to understand words, only are possible for Allah to understand, and like said above are "only for the sick of heart" to look for.

May be as bad: To claim that the Quran means something different from what the texts clearly say, is to falsify and corrupt the quranic texts.


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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".