Humans, Other Beings in/Relevant to the Quran, Part 48

 

280.   ZERUBBABEL

Descendant of David (1. Ch. 3/19). He lead the return of the Jews from Babylon (Ez. 1-3, Ne. 7/7, Ha. 1-2, Ze. 4).

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281.   ZOROASTRIANS

- not mentioned in the Quran.

Zoroaster - or Zarathustra - either was a man or a myth. If he was a man, he lived somewhere in the eastern part of the Iranian Plateau. It is unclear when - realistic guessing varies from around 500 BC to 1800 BC, and the unrealistic number 6ooo BC also is mentioned. Most likely sometime between 600 BC and 1100 BC.

He is said to have been a prophet, and to be the maker of the Zoroastrians’' holy book "Zend Avesta". The religion is dualistic with Ahura Mazda as the good force/god and Ahriman as the bad force/devil. If one reckons Zoroastrianism is monotheistic - which one easily may - it was the first monotheistic religion except for the Jewish one (and even older if numbers like 6ooo BC are correct).

A number of central points in the Quran are "borrowed" from Zoroastrianism - f.x. the bridge over Hell and the houris. Rather early Islam declared that Zoroaster was one of the many not named prophets mentioned in the Quran, and treated the Zoroastrians accordingly. All the same the religion disappeared from Iran. But during the two first centuries the Persians rebelled against the conquerors, the Muslims, and many fled to India, where they today make up the Parsi or Parsee - still Zoroastrians.

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001 2/146a: "The People of the Book - - -". This is an expression you often meet in the Quran and in Islam. "The Book" her is the Bible, and the expression means the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabeans (see 2/62f above). Later sometimes also the Zoroastrians were included, as it was discovered that also they had a book and a religion to a degree compatible with Islam - something a god had known from the very beginning. But normally the expression means the Jews, the Christians, and the Sabeans only.

What often makes this name unclear, is that it also often is used for the Quran. Often you have to guess from the context which book is meant.

002 5/19d: “O People of the Book (mainly Jews and Christians, but also Sabeans - a Christian population in Sabah, now part of Yemen (though there are other explanations - and see 2/62f) - and later after a fashion and in some circles also Zoroastrians*)! Now hath come unto you, making (things) clear unto you, Our (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -”. A man preaching from a book with that much error of many kinds, was not from any omniscient god. And a man preaching so immoral a moral code and similar law, did not represent any good and benevolent god. Also see 63/5a below.

003 13/38d: “For each period is a book revealed”. Because times are changing, Islam claims that Allah has sent down new books now and then – to Abraham (a nomad some 1900 years BC hardly knew how to read and write), to Moses, to the later Jews, and to Jesus (except that the scriptures in NT only came years after Jesus died) – and finally the Quran. Only some questions:

Homo Sapiens - modern man - is may be 200ooo years old (and there were humans or humanoids long before that). There is no trace of any book or of monotheism from all those years up to the next major step, that happened may be 60ooo+ (64ooo?) years ago. At that time something happened – nobody knows what – which, started Homo Sapiens on his course towards Modern Man (it is likely it happened somewhere in the western part of Asia, perhaps in the southern Caspian area). Then also no book up to the next major step: Agricultural Man 15ooo years ago, give or take a few thousand years – probably somewhere in the Middle East. No book and no trace of monotheism anywhere in the world. The next step: Towns. No books to regulate the life or religion for Homo Urbanus (man in town) – not until long time after towns and even cities had started to pop up, and still no trace of monotheism of any kind, not to mention Allah. The first traces of real monotheism – and later a book about a monotheistic god – came with the Jews (the name is used in a wide understanding chronologically). And even then it is highly unlikely that they had books before the period in Egypt (that Abraham had a book or books, is so unlikely that Islam will have to prove it if they will insist on that – it is extremely unlikely that a nomad of that time even knew how to read.) Also the Zoroastrians had a book, but this Muhammad did not know – at least not until late in his life. After that – and before the Quran – science knows about only one or two books (depending on whether you reckon the “Bible” of the Jews + NT to be one or two books) as basis for monotheism – add one if you include the Zoroastrians. (There also was a small, young monotheistic sect in Arabia at the time of Muhammad, but to our knowledge they had no holy book.)

Another fact is that man did not learn how to read or write until around or a little before 1200 BC - may be a little earlier in Egypt. Claims about books before that, are bluffs. (F.x. the claimed books of Abraham.)

004 14/29: "Into Hell? They (non-Muslims*) will burn therein - - -". Psychology and propaganda - - - but nether Iblis/the Devil nor his Hell is proved. Muhammad "borrowed both from the Bible, but they may have originated further east. (Some of Muhammad's ideas about both Hell and Paradise are from Zoroastrianism and other eastern pagan religions.)

##005 16/36c: “For We (Allah*) assuredly sent amongst every people a Messenger, (with the command), ’Serve Allah, and eschew Evil’: - - -”. The Quran insists that every people everywhere and every time through history has been sent prophets for Allah. The Hadiths mention that through the times there have been 124ooo prophets or more, and even that number may be just an expression for innumerably many. But nowhere in the world - except among the Jews (and in a way in Egypt under pharaoh Akn-Aton (pharaoh 1372 - 1355 BC), who only accepted the sun as god - not Allah, and the Zoroastrians in Persia) - at any time or under any circumstances there are traces of prophets preaching monotheism before year one AD (Jesus). Not in history, not in folklore, not in traditions, not in history, not in art, not in literature, not in archaeology, not any place - not even in fairy tales or legends. Especially when you compare this to the results of just two (claimed?) prophets: Jesus and Muhammad, it is not possible that 124ooo or more prophets through the times have left not a single trace. ####Nothing found by science, and nothing found even by Islam. ####This statement about all the prophets for Allah simply is not true.

006 16/63b: "- - - We (Allah*) (also) sent (Our Messengers) to Peoples before thee (Muhammad*) - - -". The Quran claims that all people everywhere and to all times have got prophets from Allah teaching Islam - the number 124ooo prophets through the times is often mentioned. Neither science nor Islam has ever found the slightest trace from them older than 610 AD (when Muhammad started his teachings), except among the Jews and Christians, and that was about Yahweh, not Allah. (And the Zoroastrians, but also there nothing about Allah).

007 19/71a: “Not one of you but will pass over it (possibly the bridge Sirat - to be passed the Last Day*)”. Very similar to Zoroastrian (Persia - with whom Arabia had much contact), where the bridge is named Chinavad. Nearly all religious ideas in Islam, seems to be taken from local and surrounding religions - typical for a universal god? Also see 55/56 below

008 21/6b: “- - - not one of the populations which We (Allah*) destroyed (Allah is a harsh god) believed”. Well, there is not known one single population of Muslims before Muhammad, in spite of what the Quran and Islam say. And of monotheists (which Islam claims were Muslims in older times, but without one single trace of this ever found) there were mainly the Jews and later the Christians. At the time of Muhammad there also was a small sect of Arab monotheists - perhaps inspired by the Jews and the Christians and in a way the Zoroastrians in Persia.

009 22/17d: "- - - Magians - - -". = "Wise men from the east" - Zoroastrian priests and scholars of among other things the stars.

###010 35/24j: “- - - and there never was a people, without a warner (a prophet for Allah*) having lived among them (in the past) - - -”. As said before: Neither in archaeology, nor in architecture, nor in art, nor in history, nor in literature, nor in folklore, nor in folk tales - not even in fairy tales - do we find a single trace of any teaching of monotheism before 610 AD, with two well known exceptions (Jews and Christians) and two or three less known exceptions (Pharaoh Akn-Aton (pharaoh 1372 - 1355 BC), praying to the sun, a semi-Christian sect in Persia, an Arab sect around 600 BC - likely inspired by the two monotheistic religions in the area – plus the Zoroastrians after a fashion). Some places one or a few gods dominated, but no monotheism.

  1. In the Americas - absolutely nothing.
  2. In Australia - absolutely nothing.
  3. In the Pacific - absolutely nothing.
  4. In Europe - absolutely nothing except Christians and some Jews.
  5. In Africa - absolutely nothing with the exception of one single man: Pharaoh Akn-Aton (pharaoh 1372 - 1355 BC) - but he so definitely was not speaking about Allah. He wanted the sun for the only god. (+ Jews and Christians).
  6. In Asia - absolutely nothing, except in what we now call the Middle East: The Christians, the well known Jews and as already mentioned the Zoroastrians mainly in Persia (after a fashion) and a couple of monotheistic old sects. Of course there was Buddha, but he was/is no god, and besides he accepted that gods existed, but told they were on wrong ways not leading to Nirvana - no monotheism.

124ooo (or more - the number is said to be symbolic, as there may have been more) prophets had to have left some traces somewhere, if the tale was true.

This statement simply is not true. If Islam still insists, they will have to produce strong proofs. “Strong statements demands strong evidence”, to quote science. And not just loose claims, invalid “signs” and “proofs”, and more loose statements like Islam normally produces- real proofs are needed.

##011 55/56e: The Muslim Paradise is quite like the Zoroastrian one (Zoroastrians mainly lived in Persia, one of the big trading partners for Arabia. The Arabs knew that religion – hardly as well as the Mosaic or the Christian religions, but at least superficially.) The houris there were named paaris. Also see 19/71 above. (Also the Jewish and Christian - and the Muslim one - Hell may have got some inspiration from the Zoroastrian one.)

012 56/23: "Like unto Pearls well-guarded". The houris are beautiful like valuable pearls. You find them - paaris - in the Zoroastrian religion, but not in the Bible.

As you see Muhammad "borrowed" good(?) ideas from where he found them. This is not the only "good" idea - at least a good idea for tempting primitive tribe warriors - from this old Persian pagan religion.

013 57/25d: "- - - the Balance (of Right and Wrong) - - -". Unclear. It might - might - refer to the 10 Commandments Moses got, or generally to Islam's ethical and moral rules - or to something else. It may also come from the Zoroastrian religion (Persia), as they had a similar expression - many scholars believe this is the most likely explanation.

014 66/11a: The wife of the Pharaoh (Horemheb) is indicated to be a strongly believing Muslim. But it is utterly unknown to science that she can have been a Muslim 2000 years before Muhammad. Actually – and in spite of the Quran’s and of Islam’s repeated claims of being an age-old religion, science has found not one single trace of a religion like Islam anywhere or any time before 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission (and worse: Also Islam has been unable to find provable such traces) – and of really monotheistic religions only the Mosaic (Jewish), the Christian, and to a degree the Zoroastrians in Persia (+ the episode with the sun god of Akn Aton (pharaoh 1372 - 1355 BC) and the small monotheistic sect in Arabia, most likely inspired by the Jews and the Christians). Islam has to bring proofs. Actually with our knowledge to the mighty Ramses II, we believe the whole of this verse is (part of) a made up tale.

Egypt had a myriad of gods at that time, perhaps as many as 2ooo.

If the pharaoh was Horemheb, his wife when Moses was found, was Mutnodjmet, simply because his first wife, Amenia, died before Horemheb became pharaoh.

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282.   al-ZUBAYRIBN AL-AWWAM

Early and strong follower of Muhammad.

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Some central facts about Muhammad, the Quran, and Islam:

A. Born ca. 570 AD. Married first a rich older widow, Khadija. Started Islam in Mecca in 610 AD. Fled to Medina 13 years later - in 622 AD. Lived in Medina 10 years - as a highway-man, later robber baron/warlord (82? raids/wars, mostly for stealing/robbing, slave taking and extortion + later spreading Islam by the sword). Died quite rich with estates in Medina, Fadaq and Khaybar in 632 AD.

B. 36 women known by name: 11 long time wives, (9 of them 20 - 36 years younger than him + favorite wife Aisha 6 years old (9 when sex started) he well past 50), 16 short time wives, 2 concubines, and 7 who may be, may be not, really was married to him. Raped at least two girls/women; Rayhana bint Amr and Safiyya bint Huayay.

C. He in reality was not a prophet - he was unable to make prophesies, also according to the Quran and the Hadiths. See 9/88b and f.x. 65/1a. #####Muslims claiming Muhammad foretold things, thus at the same time claim that the Quran is wrong on these points.

D. He according to the Quran made no miracles, as he was unable to do so. - Islam today says: "The only miracle connected to him is the Quran". #####Muslims claiming Muhammad made miracles, thus at the same time claim that the Quran is wrong on these points.

E. He believed in using dishonesty (though al-Taqiyya and Kitman - f.x. 2/26h, 13/42 - formalized later), deceit/betrayal (f.x. the 29 from Khaybar murdered), and even broken words/promises/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 3/54,5/89c, 16/91e, 66/2).

F. He use lies even in the Quran - f.x. 6/7a, 6/28c, 6/109i, 7/120a, 20/70a.

G. He is speaking (f.x. 6/104c, 19/36b, 27/91a, 51/50-51) and MANY others referred speaking/acting in the Quran. How is that possible in a book claimed to be timeless and written before the world was created, if not 100% predestination?

H. If Allah predestines everything and according to his unchangeable Plan like the Quran states absolutely, man has no free will in Islam - those claims are mutually excluding each other, and thus impossible, in spite of Muhammad's and Islam’s claims.

I. If Allah predestines everything and impossible to change, like the Quran states absolutely, prayers have no value or effect in Islam - mutually excluding each other, and thus impossible in spite of Muhammad's and Islam’s claims. Similar goes for forgiving.

"Muhammad lived far from the golden rule for moral: 'Do against others like you want others do against you', and as far from: 'Say the truth, or say nothing' - but he at least preached some of it".

There is a long distance between the historical, real Muhammad, and the semi-saint Muslims wish for and many even honestly are able to believe in.


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