Humans, Other Beings in/Relevant to the Quran, Part 37
01 Jan 2016
206. QARUN - CLAIMED OPPONENT OF MOSES
- not mentioned in the Bible.
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001 28/76a: "Qarun was doubtless of the people of Moses - - -". There is good reason for doubt about this, partly because no such person is mentioned in the Bible, and partly because so much is wrong in the Quran, that it is wise to doubt what is not really proved - only of mistaken facts there may be unbelievable 2ooo.
002 28/76c: "Qarun was doubtless of the people of Moses - - -". This story with Qarun as one of Moses' men is meaningless. Except for his youth in Egypt (where the Jews were slaves and consequently very poor), he was a nomad in Sinai/Midian all his life, both according to the Quran and to the Bible (but beware that the Midian Moses fled to the first time may - may - have been in Sudan or north Arabia or further north, but most likely in Sinai). Qarun may have been a Jew, but not one of Moses' close people. But as for being a Jew: The Jews were poor slaves, and who has heard about so rich a poor slave? Strong contradiction to a slave's reality.
003 28/76d "- - - Moses - - -". A time anomaly (the same is Qarun if he is not simply made up).
004 28/76-82: The story about Qarun is not from the Bible (there is a story about a rich man in the Bible, but it is very different and not connected to Moses). Also remember that in the Quran not good people either changes and become good Muslims, or they are punished like here - both endings are good for the moral of the believing Muslims, whether the endings are true or not. And by the way: From where did Muhammad get his story? - as the Quran is not from any god with all its errors, and it is not in the Bible, the only possible sources are legends, fairy tales and fantasy. Also apocryphal - made up - scriptures may be a possible source, but hardly for a story like this. (Some Muslims claim Qarun is Korah in the Bible (Num. 16/1-35), but almost the only similarity is that also Korah was swallowed by the earth).
005 28/78b: "He (Qarun*) said: 'This has been given - - -". How could this be reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" long time before, if predestination is not 100%? And then free will for man is impossible to arrange even for gods - in spite of the Quran's claims.
006 28/78c: "- - - Allah had destroyed, before him (Qarun - at the time of Moses*), (whole) generations". If you think Yahweh was a big killer in OT, Allah is a much more active and bigger one according to the Quran - and if you say like Muslims wrongly do, that Yahweh and Allah are the same god, Allah has done all Yahweh's killings + all the other ones. A good and mild and benevolent god?
007 28/78d: "- - - superior to him (Qarun*) in strength and greater in the amount (of riches) - - -". You find sentences like this here and there in the Quran. It is meant to magnify Allah and his power - - - but why did Muhammad need to magnify a claimed omnipotent and omniscient god and his power?
008 28//81: It is told other places in the Quran that also Qarun's whole family, included the children, was killed, even though there nowhere is said that they were guilty of anything. A fair god?
009 29/39a: "- - - Qarun - - -". See 28/76-82 above. Also: A time anomaly it he is not fiction. Qarun is not from the Bible.
010 40/24a: "- - - Pharaoh - - - Haman - - - Qarun (may be fiction*) - - -". Time anomalies.
011 40/24d: "- - - Qarun - - -". This man and his story are not from the Bible. And there are - and were - no other sources from that time relevant to Moses. This story thus either is made up or from some supernatural source - and in spite of Muhammad's claim the Quran is not from a god, as no god makes that much wrong and use so many mistaken facts, etc. like in the Quran. Or it is from a legend or a fairy tale - - - or made up.
012 40/24e: "- - - they (Ramses II, Haman, Qarun*) called (him (Moses*)) 'a sorcerer telling lies!'" Qarun hardly called him so, according to the Quran.
013 40/24f: "- - - they (Ramses II, Haman, Qarun*) called (him (Moses*)) 'a sorcerer telling lies!'" See 40/25d below.
13 + 10.142 = 10.155 comments (+ basic comments/introductions).
207. QASIM - SON OF MUHAMMAD
Died as an infant.
Muhammad had 4 daughters (Zainab, Ruqayya, Umm Kulthum, and Fatima), but how many sons he had, is unclear. It is clear he had the son Qasim with his first wife, Khadija. It is likely Qasim died in 605 AD, and he was less than 2 years old when he died. Then there is Abdullah (or Abd-Allah). You do not find him in all lists of Muhammad's children, but it is likely he existed, but died as a baby or early infant. Further it is clear he had the son Ibrahim with his concubine Marieh. Also Ibrahim died as an infant - likely some 16 months old. These are sure or nearly sure.
Then there are the names Tahir and Tayyab. These are unclear. They may have been children, but they also may have been extra names for Abdullah. If they were children, they in case died very young.
A Muslim list (there are controversies on if all really were Muhammad's children):
- Quasim born ? died 605 AD
- Abdullah born ? died 615 AD
- Zaynab born ? died 630 AD
- Ruqayya born ? died 624 AD
- Umm Kulthum born ? died 631 AD
- Fatima born 605 or 615 died 632 AD (after Muhammad)
- Ibrahim born 630 died 632 AD (before Muhammad)
- For the names Tahir and Tayyab we have found no information.
A serious point if there exists a god: The fact that all Muhammad's children died young or very young, was that a punishment for bad or wrong things Muhammad had done? It in case must have been very bad and very serious things to deserve such a heavy punishment.
Another point is the question if the official children really were Muhammad's? Khadija was 40 years old when she married Muhammad (who was 25 - but Khadija was rich and Muhammad poor). That a woman gets 4 daughters and 2 - 4 sons after she was 40, was and is highly unlikely. Not to forget that Muhammad got no (or perhaps 1) children with his at least 35 other wives and women, and thus had very low (or no?) fertility.
One possible explanation is that some or all of Khadija's children were from an earlier marriage, but "taken over" by Muhammad. (It is likely Khadija had 4 children when they married.)
Another is that someone more fertile than Muhammad was the real father. Remember here that in the old times it happened that rich women "bought" herself a husband - often a poor man - to have an alibi when "cultivating" an interesting, but forbidden other man.
There also is the possibility that some of the children's mother was the sister of Khadija, Halah, who died early. Many Shi’ia Muslims believe this.
A 4. possibility is that Muhammad was fertile, but lost his fertility completely or nearly completely - f.x. through some illness.
As for his only other child - Ibrahim, mother the concubine Marieh - Marieh was a slave and had far from chosen the much older Muhammad herself. She may have "visited" an "interesting" man one or more dark night(s).
What is absolutely sure is that a man who is told to very active sexually, and has a large harem he uses + at least a few rapes, but hardly (not?) gets children with 35 women, is either sterile or nearly sterile. (Islam and its Muslims never mention or debate this fact.) And there is the mystery of a woman who marries 40 years old and over years gets at 6 - 8 children.
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001 13/30k: "On Him (Allah*) is my (Muhammad's*) trust, and to Him do I turn!" A bit risky as there never was a proof for his existence and never any kind of sure manifestation. May be the trust in Allah was the reason for why he lost all his children - included the sons Qasim, Abdullah, and Ibrahim - except Fatima, and she died shortly after him? And may be that was why he died in a ways which made lasting rumors of poisoning? - in line with the fact that of the next 11 caliphs, only Abu Bakr died a natural death, and he after just a short reign?
002 108/3d: (A108/2 - omitted in the English 2008 edition): "The Prophet Muhammad got at least two sons - - -". (YA6288) tells he had 2 sons with Khadijah, and then there was the son Ibrahim he had with his colored slave girl Marieh. Two are sporadically mentioned in Islamic literature, as they died very young - Qasim and Ibrahim. The third (Abdullah) hardly is mentioned at all. He also had four daughters (all with his first wife, Khadijah), but only one of them - Fatima - survived him, and just by half a year. And then there are the names Tahir and Tayyab. They may or may not have been two more sons with Khadija. If one believed in higher forces, one might believe he was punished for something through is children.
2 + 10.155 = 10.157 comments (+ basic comments/introductions).
208. QUEEN OF SABA/SABAH/SHEBAH
- according to Arab folklore named Bilqis.
Saba or Sabah or Sheba was a rich country at the southern end of the Arab peninsula - roughly Yemen today. It later became mainly Christian (via east Africa) until the Muslims conquered the area and directly and indirectly forced the inhabitants to become Muslims.
The Bible tells that the queen out of curiosity because of what she had heard about Solomon's wisdom and his relationship to a god, on her own initiative visited Solomon "to test him with hard questions" (1. Kings 10/1). The story is different in the Quran.
At the time of Muhammad Sabah mainly was Christian, after being Christianized from east Africa.
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001 2/62f: "- - - the Sabeans - - -". There are at least 3 possible explanations for whom the Sabeans were:
- A semi-Christian group in Iraq - it still exists near Basra (some 2ooo members today).
- At the time of Muhammad there also was a Gnostic group at Harran called Sabeans.
- But the by far most likely explanation is the old kingdom of Saba (Sabah, Sheba) in what is now Yemen (cfr. the Queen of Saba/Sabah/Sheba). The fact that they mainly were Christians, makes this even more likely.
Muslims nearly always only mention one or both of the 2 first when talking about this, and when they mention the country of Sheba, we have never seen them mention that they were Christians. Sheba was made Christian via the Christian Abyssinia (now approximately Ethiopia) which conquered them ca. 350 AD (and then conquered by Persia ca.579 AD). When they are mentioned specially, the reason may be that perhaps the teachings and/or rituals varied a little from the Christians the Arabs met further north - or simply that they lived in another place (south) than the other Christians desert Arabs met, who lived in north-west in Sham = the lands at the inner end of the Mediterranean Sea. It is anybody’s guess why Muslims do not like to mention the Christian Sheba - perhaps they were made Muslims in ways not constituent with "let there be no compulsion in religion" (often wrongly quoted by Muslims to "there is no compulsion - - -")? - lots of Arabs were made Muslims that way.
*002 27/16 – 44: These stories – also repeated other places in the Quran - about King Solomon, the ants, the jinns slaving for him, the hoopoe, and not to mention the Queen of Sabah – are fantastic like were they from a fairy tale - - - which is what they are: They are “borrowed” from the made up - apocryphal, and hardly even apocryphal - scripture “Second Targum of Ester”. No god needs to steal old fairy tales and retell them with small – or big – twists to make them fit his religion/tales, and then call them facts. But Muhammad often did so. This is the reason why his contemporaries so often said that what he told just were old tales – they simply recognized the legends, fairy tales and stories.
003 27/17-44: King Solomon and the Queen of Saba (in Arab traditions her name was Bilqis). The Queen of Saba (Sheba) you also find in the Bible, but what is told here, are taken from the old made up book "The Second Targum of Esther", not from the Bible. Allah chooses what sources he will!
004 27/22b: "- - - 'Saba - - -". A country approximately where Yemen is now. We also have seen it written Sabah and often Sheba (f.x. NIV of the Bible uses Sheba, like quite normal in English).
005 27/24a: “I (the hoopoe - anthropomorphism*) found her (the Queen of Saba/Sabah/Sheba*) - - -". 2 time anomalies.
This also is one more anthropomorphism in the Quran - (the belief that inanimate things or animals can react, think and/or speak like humans) - normally found in primitive religions and in fairy tales.
006 27/24b: “I (the hoopoe - anthropomorphism*) found her (the queen of Saba/Sheba*) worshipping the sun - - -“. Saba was at the southern end of the Arabian Peninsula – approximately Yemen today. In the old times this whole peninsula had a moon religion, not a sun religion – al-Lah or sometimes Allah (whom Muhammad later dressed up) originally was a moon god (the same was Hubal, but over time Il/al-Ilah/al-Lah/Allah took his place or coalesced with him). It is documented that also in old Saba the main god was the moon god (source; “The Lunar Passion and the Daughters of Allah”). We may add that Muslims say that even if the moon religion was the dominant, there also may have been sun worshippers. That is true, but not for the ruler of the country – the ruler has to be very strong or be a member of the official and main religion, if not there will be problems.
Besides she – the queen – could not "worship the sun besides Allah", because that name was not created yet. Perhaps the moon god al-Lah (later as mentioned renamed by Muhammad to only Allah) or the old El. Also see 25/18a above. But Muhammad had a tendency to claim that others had different gods "in addition to Allah". Partly because by a little twisting of the facts this could be said about Arabs - they believed in al-Lah, a name sounding nearly like Allah, even if al-Lah was a pagan, polytheistic god, and partly perhaps because it made Allah look bigger and universal.
007 27/28c: “Go thou (the hoopoe*), with this letter of mine, and deliver it to them: then draw back from them, and (wait to) see what answer they return…” This in any case is contradicting the Bible (but not certain fairy tales). The Bible makes it clear that the Queen of Sheba/Saba visited Solomon on her own initiative, not after an invitation. (1. Kings 10/1).
008 27/29a: "(The Queen (of Saba/Sabah/Sheba*)) said - - -". A time anomaly.
009 27/29b: "(The Queen (of Saba/Sabah/Sheba*)) said: 'Ye chiefs! - - -". See 27/22a above.
010 27/30b: "In the name of Allah - - -". The chances that Solomon had started a letter to her (or anyone else) with this name are less than zero for more than one reason - f.x. that no traces of a god like Allah or a religion like Islam - or a book like the Quran - is found anywhere in the world until after 610 AD when Muhammad started his preaching. And if the Bible - here after all the most reliable source of these two according to normal scientific evaluations (written on a much stronger tradition and 1000 years closer to what happened) - is correct, no such letter even ever existed as she according to the Bible was not contacted by Solomon - the travel according to the Bible was her own idea.
011 27/32b: "She (the Queen of Sheba*) said: 'Ye chiefs! - - -'". See 27/22a above.
012 27/33c: "We are endued with strength, and given to vehement war - - -". The chiefs gave an answer worthy of a war religion - but in the Bible there neither is mentioned possibility of war nor any indication of a war religion. Also according to our knowledge of history from that part of the world, Sheba was not an especially war-prone country.
013 27/34b: "She (the Queen of Sheba*) said: 'Ye chiefs! - - -'". See 27/22a above.
014 27/34c: "Kings, when they enter a country - - -". There nowhere was any talk of that Solomon should visit her, neither in the Bible and till now nor in the Quran. And neither in peace, nor in war (though there was a little later). This sentence is illogical according to the Biblical texts.
015 27/34d: "Kings, when they enter a country, despoil it - - -". The underlying meaning is that Solomon might attack the country. But for one thing there as said was no intention from Solomon to visit her according to the Bible, for another Solomon was a king of peace, not of war, and for a third there was little meaning in planning an attack on such a distant country for after all tiny Israel. Not to mention that all this part of the story is taken from a made up book as mentioned above and just below (The second Targum of Ester), not from the Bible. And made up stories from made up books are not the truth
016 27/34e: (A27/26): "Implied in her (the Queen of Saba/Sheba*) statement (about wanting to avoid war*) is the Quranic condemnation of all political power obtained through violence ('anwatan) inasmuch as it is bound to give raise to oppression, suffering and moral corruption". Are Muhammad and Islam samples of this?
017 27/35b: "But I (the Queen of Saba/Sheba*) am going to send - - -". See 27/22a above.
018 27/38a: (A27/31): “Ye Chiefs! Which of you can bring me her (the Queen of Sheba's*) throne before they come to me in surrender.” There is no logical meaning for surrender at this stage of the story – and especially not for such a distant country. May be therefore – or may be to keep up the pretension that good Muslims like Solomon (!) never starts a war – Islam has found another meaning: It means surrender to Islam. Well, the explanation is not quite as impossible as in 27/37b above. But it is not what the book says. “Surrender” is a political and military word with a clear meaning. It also is used in other connection, but then it is made clear what connection – like “surrender to Allah”, or “she will surrender to me” which implicates further details, articulated or not, to the word “surrender”. That is not the case here. Also see 27/38b just below.
And also we are back to some historical facts: There was no religion like Islam and no god like Allah anywhere in the world at that time + another historical fact: The Mosaic religion never was a proselyting one.
The only possible conclusion is: The religious claims concerning the Queen of Sheba and Solomon are made up ones.
019 27/38b: “Ye Chiefs! Which of you can bring me her (the Queen of Sheba'.*) throne before they come to me in surrender.” Here we have a small tit-bit. As far as we can find out, this is the correct translation of the Arab text. But this is not logical - see 27/38a just above. A small change eliminates the problem in the "clear text in the Quran". Some instead use "surrender to Allah" even though "to Allah" is not in the Arab text, or "submission" - a word easier to associate with religion. Voila!!
"The Religion of Truth"! "The Religion of Honesty"!
020 27/38c: "- - - in submission - - -". Another contradiction to the Bible - nothing like neither submission nor surrender there for the Queen of Sheba. Actually this story is miles from the one in the Bible You do not find them in the Bible (or in the old times; anywhere else far from Arabian pagan religion and Arabian folklore and fairy tales).
021 27/41b: "Transform her (Queen of Sheba's*) throne out of all recognition - - -". In addition to all the other points which contradict the Bible here, there is not one word in the Bible about Solomon or some of his men were able of this kind of sorcery - or any other kind of such. (Not strange as the story is "borrowed" from a fairy tale - "The Second Targum of Esther").
022 27/41c: "Transform her (Queen of Sheba's*) throne out of all recognition by her (the Queen of Sheba*): let us (Solomon*) see whether she is guided to the truth - - -". A rather obscure sentence for which you find some explanations from Muslim scholars - none of them very down-to-earth. But then a test for her ability to sense Islam may be intended. Believe it if you are able to that the Jewish king tested people to see if they could become good Muslims - 1500 years before Muhammad.
023 27/42c: "She (the Queen of Sheba*) said: 'It was - - -'". See 27/22a above.
024 27/42-43: One possible meaning of the Arab text: “- - - and we (the Queen of Saba/Sheba – in Arab tradition called Bilqis*) have submitted to Allah (in Islam). And he (Solomon*) diverted her from the worship of others besides Allah - - -.” The alternative possible meaning of the book that is clear and not possible to misunderstand: “And we (Solomon*) had knowledge of Allah’s Message and accepted it before her - - - and the worship of others besides Allah diverted her (from the true Religion).” Clear or confusing? – 2 very different meanings. In addition this verse simply has unclear text.
025 27/44b: "- - - she (the Queen of Sheba*) said: "O my Lord!"
See 27/22a above.
026 27/44c: “- - - she (the Queen of Sabah*) thought it (the floor*) was a lake of water (though it was slabs of glass) - - -“.
- They did not have the technology to make that quality of glass ca. 1000 BC.
- They did not have the technology to make big slabs – and they had to be really big not to notice at once the cracks between the slabs - of glass ca. 1000 BC. Even today it is difficult, as it needs months of very exact and slow cooling for big slabs not to crack. (Cfr. the making of large astronomical telescopes).
Contradicted by historical and technical facts. Simply nonsense. If you know something about glass and about its history, you get a good laugh here.
027 27/44d: The Queen of Sheba/Saba is shown a floor of glass and becomes a Muslim. Where are the logic and the psychology behind such a reaction? If you know something about psychology and about human ways of reacting, you will get a good laugh here, too.
27 + 10.157 = 10.184 comments (+ basic comments/introductions).
- Jewish priests.
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001 5/44da: "- - - Rabbis - - -". Jewish priests.
002 5/63a: "- - - the Rabbis and the doctors of law - - -". = Jewish priests and scholars. 2 time anomalies. See 4/13d above.
###003 46/8c: “Say: ’Had I (Muhammad*) forged it (the Quran*), then can ye obtain no single (blessing) for me from Allah.” What an unbeatable proof!!!
Actually Muhammad is said to have "proved" that he was a prophet, by answering 3 cryptic questions brought by Uqbab Abu Mu’ayt from Jewish rabbis in Medina - he claimed he got the answers from Allah via Gabriel.
3 + 10.184 = 10.187 comments (+ basic comments/introductions).
210. Abu RAFI
Chief in the Jewish town Khaybar. Murdered after orders from Muhammad.
0 + 10.187 = 10.187 comments (+ basic comments/introductions).
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