Humans, Other Beings in/Relevant to the Quran, Part 23

 

138.   JINNS - A GROUP OF SUPERNATURAL BEINGS IN THE QURAN

- borrowed from pagan Arab religion, legends, and fairy tales.

Jinns according to the Quran are invisible supernatural, but physical, beings created by Allah from fire or - claimed one place in the Quran (15/27) - from a scorching hot wind. They are "borrowed" from old Arab pagan religion, legends, and fairy tales. They only existed in Arabia and around there - quite strange as a god had taught Islam to all people in the world through all times, because after all Jinns are rather central in Islam, but nowhere else.

In Israel - a neighbor to the Arabs - you find a similar being, the djinnie, but only in folklore. It is thought provoking that Jesus never included them in his teaching - clearly they were/are not part of his religion. One more at least circumstantial proof for that Jesus' and Muhammad's religions were not the same one.

The Jinns - according to the Quran and Islam - are of different qualities - good or bad, though mostly bad. They may be Muslims or pagans - we have not seen any of them believing in the Mosaic or the Christian religion. The Quran tends to tell that most of them will end up in Hell. It is likely Iblis/the Devil originally was a Jinn.

The word Jinn in the west often is translated with "spirit", but this is wrong. Jinns are a special category supernatural beings - they f.x. are invisible, but material, whereas spirits are pure spirit.

We may add that Islam has laws regulating marriages between humans and Jinns, but as far as we have found no documented such marriage has ever taken place.

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###001 2/34e: (A2/26) “- - - they (the angels*) all prostrated themselves, save Iblis (the future Devil*) - - - and thus he became one of those who deny the truth”. There is an added mystery here: It is indicated here that Iblis was an angel, but angles were created from light, whereas it many places in the Quran is said that Iblis was created from fire = Iblis was a Jinn. Also the fact that he was able to refuse Allah’s order make Islamic scholars question his being an angel, because angels are totally obedient. That aside:

#####(It is) “absolutely clear that at the time of that command he (Iblis*) was indeed one of the heavenly host. Hence we must assume that his “rebellion” has a purely symbolic significance and is, in reality, the outcome of a specific function assigned to him by Allah. (This is what many Muslim scholars believe, as Allah has absolute power, and nothing happens unless according to his plan.) If this is true, and Allah is behind also the Devil and Hell - where then is the good and benevolent god?”

This is a touchy point for some Muslims: If Iblis was able to refuse to obey, Allah is not omnipotent. If on the other hand Hell is part of Allah’s design, Allah far from is a pure and benevolent god. Muhammad Asad:"The Message of the Quran", tends to believe it is part of Allah’s design – the omnipotence is more essential than benevolence – but we have never seen a clear answer to the enigma. The real significance of this scene thus is unclear.

Also very different from the Bible.

#########002 2/34f: (YA49): “Not so Iblis (the later Devil*).” But the Arab text actually says: “They (the angles*) bowed down, except Iblis.” This in case means that Iblis was an angel, whereas the Quran several other places tell he was a jinn (made from fire, whereas angles were made from light). Clear text?

*003 3/83a: “- - - all creatures (= angels, jinns, man and animals*) in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on the earth have, willing or unwilling bowed to His (Allah’s*) will (accepted Islam)”. Muslims will have to produce very strong proofs to make us believe that everything, included snails and flatworms and mosquitoes have accepted Islam and pray to Allah.

004 From 6/1e: Stars also are used as shooting stars to chase away bad spirits and jinns spying on Heaven.

005 6/100a: "Jinns" - beings "borrowed" from pagan Arab religion and Arab fairy tales. They are strange creatures to tell about for universal god, as they mainly exist only in old Arab pagan religion and folklore (though they do exist also in old Jewish tales, but not in their religion). Islam even today disputes what they really are, but most agree on that they are individuals of quite another kind than humans, but all the same not dissimilar. There exist Islamic laws for marriage between jinns and humans, so they have to be material beings. They are not demons, but another kind of invisible beings - ruled by Allah like man, and like man claimed in a not explainable way to all the same have free will. Most of them seem to end in Hell in the claimed next life.

006 6/100b: "Jinns" - an Arabism. You only find them in and around Arabia (included traces of them in the old Jewish culture, though slightly different spelled - but not in the Bible).

007 6/112d: "If thy (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) had so planned, they (non-Muslims*) would not have done it (believed in other gods*) - - -". What kind of god is planning so as to send millions and even billions of humans - and jinns - to Hell?!!

008 6/128aa: (A6/110 – in 2009 edition 6/112): “O ye assembly of Jinns - - -“. Normally the word “al-jinn” refers simply and directly to these supernatural beings – and here to the bad ones among them. But here the full expression is “ma’shar al-jinn”, and that complicates the situation, as “ma’shar” means someone close to you or, good friends, something like that, or simply your family. It instead may address bad or misguided people: “You who have lived in close contact to the bad groups of Jinns”. You simply have to guess the real meaning. Clear language in the Quran?

009 6/128b: "- - - Jinns - - -". Supernatural beings only to be found in and around Arabia - an Arabism. They are not from the Bible. See 4/13d above.

010 6/128ba: "- - - much (toll) did ye (Jinns*) take of men". All the same they are not mentioned in the Bible. As Israel was and is near the Arabs, jinns do exist in the periphery of old Jewish folklore (though spelled differently - djinnie if we remember correctly), but not in the Bible - which tells that neither the old prophets, not Jesus thought they existed or were part of their religion. Of some essence for Allah, totally non-interesting for Yahweh - and thus for the Jews' religion. Yahweh and Allah the same god?

011 6/130a: “O ye assembly of Jinns and men! Came there not unto you messengers from amongst you - - -?” Human messengers to man, Jinn messengers to Jinns. But it is contradicted by:

  1. 12/109: “Nor did We (Allah*) send before thee (Muhammad*) (as Messengers) any but men, whom We did inspire – (men) living in human habitations.” No Jinn messengers. Well, in this verse it is possible to explain it away with that it perhaps only is spoken about human habitats. That is not possible in the next two and the last one, because they are without (possible) reservations.
  2. 16/43: “And before thee (Muhammad*) also the Messengers we sent were but men - - -“.
  3. 21/7: “Before thee (Muhammad), also, the messengers we sent were but men - - .”
  4. 22/75: “Allah chooses Messengers from angles and from men - - -.” But not from Jinns.
  5. 25/20: “And the messengers whom We (Allah*) sent before thee (Muhammad) were all men - - -.”

Well, 6/130 says that at least not all were men. A nice little contradiction.

(5 contradictions).

012 7/11b: “- - - We (Allah*) bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis (the future Devil) - - -.” But was Iblis an angel, like it is indicated here? It is said several places in the Quran that he was created from fire (f.x. 7/12), which means he was a jinn (angles are created from light, according to the Quran). An unclear point in Islam, but most scholars mean he was a jinn. (Jinns are beings "borrowed" from old Arab pagan religion, legends and fairy tales.

013 7/12a: "Thou (Allah*) didst create me (Iblis - the Devil*) from fire - - -". There is some debate in Islam - is Iblis originally an angel? F.x. the previous verse, 7/11b, may indicate that. But this verse clearly indicates he originally was a jinn (a being from old Arab fairy tales, legends, and pagan religion), because according to the Quran Allah created jinns from fire, whereas angels were created from light.

014 7/38a: "- - - men and Jinns - into the Fire". Not from the Bible - there are no jinns.

015 7/38b: "- - - Jinns - - -". A being from Arab folklore, fairy tales and pagan religion which Muhammad has taken into Islam. An Arabism - see 4/13d above - as they only existed (?) in Arabia and neighboring areas.

#016 7/179a: “Many are the Jinn and men We (Allah*) have made for Hell - - -". A serious difference between the Quran and NT: Allah makes many for sending them to Hell. Yahweh according to NT makes no-one with that intention. (See Luke 15/8-10, 15/11-31 and Matt.18/12-14, 20/8-13).

017 7/179b: “Many are the Jinn and men We (Allah*) have made for Hell - - -.” Here Allah tells that many of the men and Jinns he had made, were made for Hell. But this is contradicted with that all men and Jinns are made to serve Allah:

  1. 51/56: “I (Allah*) have only created jinns and men, that they may serve Me.”

- - - or does the bloody and immoral parts of services Muhammad/Allah demand, condemn you to Hell afterwards?

018 7/179c: "- - - Jinn - - -". A kind of beings “borrowed” from Arab Pagan religion, legends and fairy tales. They are material beings - f.x. there exist laws in Islam for marriage between humans and jinns, and marriage would be impossible unless they are material. And they are sent to Hell and fire for punishment - for immaterial beings fire would be no punishment. Allah made them from fire, according to the Quran. They are an Arabism as except for in the Quran they only exist in Arab and neighboring folklore, (+ fairy tales and old Arab pagan religion). They also are one more proof for that the Bible and the Quran are not from the same god, because even though Jinns do exist in the periphery of Jewish folklore, they never are mentioned in the Bible. This even though they except for angels make up the largest population of supernatural beings in the Quran. They are a rather central part of the world of Allah, but do not exist in the world of Yahweh.

019 11/119c: "I (Allah*) will fill Hell with jinns (a being from old Arab pagan religion, legends, and fairy tales*) and men all together." A benevolent and good god? - Hell is no nice place. And he will fill it. Try to find something like this in the Gospels.

020 13/31j: "- - - He (Allah*) could have guided all mankind - - -". If this were true, it would tell volumes about the good and benevolent god who instead sends the majority of the humanity - and jinns - to Hell, (by means of his predestination).

021 15/17a: “- - - We (Allah*) have guarded them (the Zodiacal Signs*) from every evil spirit accursed: - - -” According to the Quran, the stars – included the Zodiacal signs – are fastened to the lowermost of 7 heavens (material ones – they have to be if the stars can be fastened to one of them). But jinns/bad spirits wanted to spy on the heavens, and had to be chased away by stars used as shooting stars. And then the Zodiacal signs were guarded at the same time. According to science this is utter nonsense to at least the fifth power. Laughable. Any god had known – even baby ones – but Muhammad not. Then who made the Quran with all its mistaken facts, etc.?

##022 15/18a: “But any (jinn/bad spirit*) that gains a hearing by stealth (by spying on the heavens*) - - -". According to the Quran, jinns and bad spirits often try to spy on what is going on in the Heavens, by trying to listen to what is said. (If you think this is stuff from a fairy tale, do not blame us - a lot of the stuff in the Quran is from fairy tales, legends, etc.).

##023 15/18b: “But any (jinn/bad spirit*) that gains a hearing by stealth (by spying on the heavens*), is pursued by a flaming fire, bright (to see).” According to the Quran, the stars are fastened to the lowest of 7 material heavens (see 15/17a above and 37/6-7 and 41/12 below). The stars are lights and decoration, but are also used for shooting stars for weapons to chase away jinns and bad spirits. (YA comment 1954: "A shooting star appears to be meant".) Muhammad did not know that the mass of a star is somewhere in the range of 1 shooting star x 10 to the 20. or more power and utterly impossible to use as a shooting star in our atmosphere – for the reason of its glaring light, for the reason of heat, for the reason of irradiation, for the reason of gravity, for the reason of sheer size, etc. As said in 15/17a above: Scientific nonsense and insanity to at least the 5. power. No god uttered this fairy tale stuff – but Muhammad did not know any better. Then who made the Quran?

024 15/27a: “And the Jinn race, We (Allah*) had created before - - -". According to this, the jinns were created before man. Jinns are a typical Arabism - something special for Arabia and its surroundings. (You f.x. may find djinnies in Jewish folklore and fairy tales, but not in the Bible. This tells that Jesus and the other Jewish prophets for some reason or other meant jinns were no part of a next life. Which is the more reliable? - the Bible or the Quran?) They have a not small, but very unclear share of the supernatural part Islam's world, together with spirits, etc. Beware that in spite of that "jinn" often is translated with "spirit", this is wrong jinns are invisible material beings, not sprits. Jinns were and are no part of neither the Jews' nor the Christians' religion.)

025 15/27b: “And the Jinn race, We (Allah*) had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.” Here is something wrong. It is said several places in the Quran that the Jinns were created from fire - and one place it is said from fire without smoke – not from a hot wind.

(At least 3 contradictions).

026 15/30-31: "So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together: Not so Iblis - - -". This verse makes trouble for Islam as it mentions Iblis among the angels. It is nowhere directly said what kind of being Iblis - the Devil - was/is. Here it is indicated that he was one of the angels. But Allah created the angels from light, whereas it is clearly stated a couple of places in the Quran that Iblis was created from fire, and in that case he should be a jinn. It may also be added that many Muslims mean that all this was theater arranged by Allah to fulfill his great Plan - Iblis could not make a Hell against Allah's will, as Allah is omnipotent. Hell thus must be a part of Allah's Plan, and Iblis' disobedience part of Allah's total predestination. But what does that in case tell about the merciful and benevolent god Allah?

027 15/31: "Not so Iblis - - -". Iblis refused to accept that man was superior to himself. May be to the anger of Allah - but maybe not. As Allah is omnipotent, nothing can happen without his permission. Therefore Iblis could not do this without Allah's permission, Muslim scholars say - and they continue that this must be the result of a decision made by Allah, because he wanted a Hell, and that this scene was something predetermined - an agreement between Allah and Iblis. In short: Allah wanted or needed a Hell - perhaps for punishing not obedient men and jinns and perhaps others - and set up this scene together with his servant Iblis.

But if Allah set up such a sadistic and horrible Hell, it tells something about him.

And why did he need the theatre - the farce - this scene is?

##028 15/36a: "Give me (Iblis/the Devil*) then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised." But this period is just an intermezzo for Iblis - the time he can use for luring men and jinns to Hell - f.x. the Muslims if the theory that Iblis is the reality behind the Quran is correct. His real region is Hell, and his reign over the sinners does not start there until after the sinners are judged and sent into Hell at the Day of Doom. So why respite only to the Day of Doom? The Quran sometimes(?) is not logical./p>

Nothing of this is from the Bible.

029 16/9d: "- - - He (Allah*) could have guided all of you (man*)." If this had been true, what would it tell about the good and benevolent god that he let and lets millions of humans and jinns end in Hell each year, just because he will not guide them? - Not to mention if all that is a result of his predestination!?

030 16/43b: “And before thee (Muhammad*) also the Messengers We (Allah*) sent were but men - - -“. This is contradicted by verses in the Quran telling that angels were sent as messengers (beware: the Quran here says Messengers, not Prophets) to at least Abraham, Lot, and Mary, and that Jinns were sent as messengers to Jinns, (only men 12/109 - 21/7 - 25/20).

  1. 3/42: “Behold the angels (plural*) said (when they came to tell Mary she was going to have the baby Jesus*)”.
  2. 6/130: “O ye assembly of Jinns and men! Came there not unto you messengers (from Us, Allah*) from amongst you - - -.” A rhetoric question demanding the answer “yes” – yes, there came Jinn messengers from Allah to the Jinns, and human messenger from Allah to the humans.
  3. 11/69: “There came Our (Allah’s*) Messengers to Abraham - - -“. It is clear from the following verses that these messengers were angels.
  4. 11/77: When Our (Allah's*) messengers came to Lut (Lot*) - - -". The same angels who visited Abraham".
  5. The messengers to Mary were angels according to both the Bible and the Quran.

At least 4 contradictions.

In the Bible also a few female prophets - prophetesses - are mentioned.

In addition there are the contradictions to the Bible if Islam claims Yahweh=Allah. Also there are angels and there are the Holy Spirit all bringing messages + at least 4 female prophets (there were a few more). Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

*031 17/88a: “If the whole mankind and Jinns were gathered together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce the like thereof”. Wrong. A flock of naïve primitives or people indoctrinated from childhood might believe this. But not thinking people knowing something about literature - a number of good writers today and through history would be able to do that - this everyone knows who have read some good books. The Quran is not especially good literature to be polite, in spite of what Islam declares - rather dull, repeating the same stories time and time again, and using the same points and the same finish over and over, and not least: There are few if any original stories, thoughts, or ideas - they are "borrowed" from other sources, included made up scriptures, legends and fairy tales. See also 10/37a and 10/37b above. But why do it? - no matter how well it was done Islam would never admit that the bluff had been trumped - they cannot afford it, because that would prove that this statement and at least one more are wrong and just a bluff - - - and a god neither is wrong nor needs bluffs, which means that mistakes and bluffs prove that it is not from a god - which proves that something is seriously wrong with Muhammad, with the Quran, and with Islam. PS: You find this bluff at least 2 places in the Quran.

032 17/88b: "- - - Jinns - - -". Originally figures from Arab pagan religion, folklore and fairy tales – and not mentioned by any other prophet throughout times, even though they are pretty active and part of what Islam claims is the same basic religion as the Jewish and the Christian one (the claim is wrong, though - the basic ideals are too different, and the same for the two gods). According to the Quran they are made from fire (or hot wind) and are distinct from spirits. An Arabism (see 4/13d above) - as far as we have found out they only exist in the folklore in and around Arabia.

033 18/50b: (A18/53 – omitted in 2008): “Behold, We (Allah*) said to the angels,’ Bow down to Adam’: they bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns - - -.” But here is a clear mistake – or more likely; A. Yusuf Ali’s religion and al-Taqiyya may have suppressed his honesty: The original Arab text here do not say he was a jinn: It says something like (translated from Swedish): “He (Iblis*) belonged to the multitude of invisible beings” - and also angels are invisible. The text here honestly and clearly indicates that he was an angel before he became the Devil - "We said to the angels" are words clearly including Iblis. On the other hand the Quran other places tells he was made from fire, which in case means he according to this book in reality was a jinn. This is one more place where the Muslim scholars agree that the text in the Quran is wrong (though they never say this in clear words) as it here clearly is indicated that Iblis was an angel, but they translate "Jinn".

034 20/116c: "When We (Allah*) said to the angels, 'Prostrate yourselves to Adam', they prostrated themselves, but not Iblis (later the Devil in Islam*) - - -".

Note that Allah only spoke to the angels, and when he then reacted to that Iblis did not obey, it must mean Iblis was an angel. If Iblis was something else, there was no reason for Allah to react, as he had not ordered Iblis to do anything. This represents a problem for Islam: Was Iblis an angel? But angels according to the Quran is created from light, whereas it is clear that Iblis was created from fire, and thus should be a jinn. The question is not settled yet. Clear language in the Quran?

Note that Allah only spoke to the angels, and when he then reacted to that Iblis did not obey, it must mean Iblis was an angel. If Iblis was something else, there was no reason for Allah to react, as he had not ordered Iblis to do anything.

035 21/7a: “Before thee (Muhammad*), also, the messengers We (Allah*) sent were but men - - -. Well: In that case these are wrong – or contradictions:

  1. 3/42: “Behold the angels (plural*) said (when they came to tell her she was going to have the baby Jesus*)”.
  2. 6/130: “O ye assembly of Jinns and men! Came there not unto you messengers (from Us, Allah*) from amongst you - - -.” A rhetoric question demanding the answer “yes” – yes, there came Jinn messengers from Allah to the Jinns, and human messenger from Allah to the humans.
  3. 11/69: “There came Our (Allah’s*) Messengers to Abraham - - -“. It is clear from the following verses that these messengers were angels.
  4. 11/77: “When Our (Allah’s*) Messengers (it is clear from the text they were angles – they f.x. ate no food*) came to Lut (Lot*) - - -.”
  5. 11/81: “(The Messengers (angels from Allah*)) said: O Lut (Lot*)! We are Messengers from thy Lord!”
  6. 19/17b: “- - - We (Allah*) sent to her our angel (singular – to tell her she was going to have the baby Jesus*), and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.”
  7. 19/19: “He (the angel*) said: ‘Nay, I am only a messenger from thy (Mary’s*) Lord - - -“.
  8. 22//75: “Allah chooses Messengers from both angels and from men - - -“.
  9. As Muhammad claimed Yahweh and Allah were the same god, we also add that according to the Bible, Yahweh sent at least 6 female prophets, see just below.

Well, 3/42 - 6/130 - 11/69 – 11/77 – 11/81– 19/17b – 19/19 – 22/75 all say that not all were men. Some nice little contradictions to 12/109 – 16/43 – 21/7 – 25/20 which all says all messengers were men.

(8 contradictions).

Contradicted also by the Bible which tells there also were female prophets (the Bible do not use "messenger" as a title - every one of them were "prophets" or in the old time "seers" (1. Sam. 9/9)), like Miriam (the sister of Moses), Huldah (2. Chr. 34/22), Deborah (Judges 4/4), Noadiah (Neh. 6/14), unnamed one (Is. 8/3), and Anna (Luke2/36). One more difference between Yahweh and Allah. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

##036 21/32c: “And We (Allah*) have made the heavens (plural and wrong*) as a canopy well guarded - - -”. Muhammad was unable to see the difference between stars and shooting stars. In the Quran it is told that the shooting stars (mistaken for being ordinary stars) are “arrows” used to chase away bad spirits or jinns (beings “borrowed” from old Arab pagan religion and folklore and unknown to any other “prophet” than Muhammad) wanting to spy on Heaven. Any child today knows the difference between a real star and a shooting star, and also what would happen on and to the Earth if shooting stars were real stars. Even a baby dwarf god had known this - but Muhammad not, as it is modern knowledge. The pertinent or impertinent question is: Who then composed the Quran?

037 21/82a: “And of the evil ones it was some who (worked for him = Solomon*) - - -“. Islam will have to bring strong proofs for this. There were plenty of legends and fairy tales in Arabia like this which Muhammad could “borrow” stories from, but never any proved case of any jinn really working for anyone. It also in no case had been omitted from the Bible if it had been true - it had glorified Solomon far too much to be left out of the book. UNLESS VERY STRONG PROOFS, THIS IS A MADE UP FAIRY TALE - "strong claims need strong proofs".

038 21/82b: "- - - the evil ones - - -". Here jinns - an invisible being from old Arab pagan religion, folklore and fairy tales. They were according to the Quran made from fire (or may be from very hot wind?), and invisible, but distinct from spirits - they are normally talked about as different kinds of beings (all the same in western translations you sometimes see it translated to spirits, for lack of closer name - Jinn is an Arabism, in the meaning that you "find" them only in and around Arabia).

039 21/82c: "- - - it was We (Allah*) who guarded them (the jinns claimed to be working for Solomon*)". What does it tell about the Quran that it states that Allah guarded jinns in a claimed true story obviously from a fairy tale?

040 21/83b: "(Allah is) the Most Merciful of those who are merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the most immoral of the sharia laws, the verses telling that Allah makes humans and jinns for Hell, and others telling he blocks the road to Heaven for many - afterwards you can tell us if you think Allah is especially merciful (he is not even fair always). When a man - or a god - says something, but does something else, we always believe his deeds, not his words. Also see 1/1a above.

041 22/75a: “Allah chooses Messengers from angles and from men - - -.” But not from Jinns? Contradicted by:

6/130: “O ye assembly of Jinns and men! Came there not unto you messengers from amongst you - - -?” A rhetoric question shoving there came messengers from men to men, and from Jinns to Jinns. Not only from angels and men.

042 23/17a: “And We (Allah*) have made, above you, seven tracts (= seven heavens*) - - -”. Wrong. There are no seven (material) heavens. All the same you find these claims about 7 heavens/firmaments/tracts in 2/29d+e, 17/44a, 23/17a, 23/86a, 41/12a+b, 65/12a, 67/3a+b and 71/15a+b - all together the Quran mentions "heavens" in plural at least 199 times; there is no doubt the Quran means there are 7 heavens (and as the stars are fastened to the lowermost of them - fx.67/5a - they have to be material ones - if not the stars could not be fastened to it). In 67/3 you also are told they are places one above the other, which means they of course are built successively higher above the Earth - which also is clear from most places in the Quran where the place of the heavens are indicated. Some modern Muslims try to place the heavens in space, deep space included. But among others 67/3 prohibits this, as "up" and "down" ("one above the other") has no meaning as part of the real space. Also the "fact" that the stars fastened to the lowest heaven are used for shooting stars (for weapons to chase away spying jinns and bad spirits) also show where the Quran's heavens are claimed to be - shooting stars only are found in the Earth's atmosphere.

By the way: 67/12b also claims there are 7 Earths, and gives their names according to Islam.

043 23/17b; (YA2876): We simply quote: “'Thara’iq'; tracts, roads, orbits, or paths in the visible heaven. These seven are clearly marked to our eyes (??*), in the immense space (the Arab word meaning space in modern astronomical meaning - al-Kawn - is not used anywhere in the Quran*) that we see around us. We must go to astronomy to form any plausible theories to these motions. But their simplest observation gives us a sublime view of beauty, order, and grandeur in the universe (see 51/47c). The assurance given in the next clause, that Allah cares for us and all His Creation, calls out attention to Allah’s goodness, which is further illustrated in the subsequent verses.” A lot of words to avoid explaining anything about the 7 material heavens with the stars fastened to the lowest one (37/6-7, 41/12), and with stars used as shooting stars to chase away spying jinns and bad spirits, which is what the Quran in reality is speaking about. Here things are clear, but is made unclear and wrapped up in verbal wool to tuck away wrongs which the Quran clearly states many places, but is unable to "explain away".

Dishonesty by evasion.

044 25/20a: “And the messengers whom We (Allah*) sent before thee, were all (men) - - -.”

Well: In that case these are wrong – or contradictions:

  1. 3/42: “Behold the angels (plural*) said (when they came to tell Mary she was going to have the baby Jesus*)”.
  2. 6/130: “O ye assembly of Jinns and men! Came there not unto you messengers (from Us, Allah*) from amongst you - - -.” A rhetoric question demanding the answer “yes” – yes, there came Jinn messengers from Allah to the Jinns, and human messenger from Allah to the humans.
  3. 11/69: “There came Our (Allah’s*) Messengers to Abraham - - -“. It is clear from the following verses that these messengers were angels.
  4. 11/77: “When Our (Allah’s*) Messengers (it is clear from the text they were angles – they f.x. ate no food*) came to Lut (Lot*) - - -.”
  5. 11/81: “(The Messengers (angels from Allah*)) said: O Lut (Lot*)! We are Messengers from thy Lord!”
  6. 19/17b: “- - - We (Allah*) sent to her our angel (singular – to tell Mary she was going to have the baby Jesus*), and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.”
  7. 19/19: “He (the angel*) said: ‘Nay, I am only a messenger from thy (Mary’s*) Lord - - -“.
  8. 22//75: “Allah chooses Messengers from both angels and from men - - -“.
  9. There also is the fact that some of the prophets in the Bible (the Bible does not use the title messenger - all are named prophets or seers) were not men but women, f.x. Miriam (sister of Moses - 2.Mos. 15/20), and Huldah (2. Chr. 34/22). One more difference between the Bible and the Quran.

Well, 3/42 - 6/130 - 11/69 – 11/77 – 11/81– 19/17b – 19/19 – 22/75 all say that not all were men. A nice little contradiction to 12/109 – 16/43 – 21/7 – 25/20 which all says all messengers were men.

(8 - 9 contradictions).

*045 27/16 – 44: These stories – also repeated other places in the Quran - about King Solomon, the ants, the jinns slaving for him, the hoopoe, and not to mention the Queen of Sabah – are fantastic like were they from a fairy tale - - - which is what they are: They are “borrowed” from the made up - apocryphal, and hardly even apocryphal - scripture “Second Targum of Ester”. No god needs to steal old fairy tales and retell them with small – or big – twists to make them fit his religion/tales, and then call them facts. But Muhammad often did so. This is the reason why his contemporaries so often said that what he told just were old tales – they simply recognized the legends, fairy tales and stories.

046 27/17b: "- - - his (Solomon's*) hosts of Jinns and men and birds - - -". Believe this whoever wants to. But be 120% sure that if king Solomon had had command over jinns and/or birds, it had neither been forgotten in the Bible, nor falsified out of it - you do not reduce your greatest heroes, and neither do the Jews, who in case had done the falsification.

047 27/17c: "- - - his (Solomon's*) hosts of Jinns and men and birds - - -". There is nothing even remotely like this in the Bible.

048 27/17d: "- - - his (Solomon's*) hosts of Jinns and men and birds, and they were all kept in order and ranks". The next verse (27/18) implies they were on the march. How do you keep birds in "order and ranks"?

049 27/17e: "- - - Jinns - - -". A being "borrowed" by Muhammad from old Arab folklore and pagan religion. They are told in the Quran to be created from fire by Allah. (But would a god - and one for all Earth - have to "borrow" beings from old Arab folklore and pagan religion, (and only from there)?) Or to think the other way around: How come that the old Arab pagan religion had all beings of Heaven, and no other kinds of beings, something no other religion has managed? (To take the central ones for the Quran: Both Islam, the Jews and the Christians have angels, devils and spirits, but only Islam has Jinns, a kind of beings which differently from angels and spirits have material bodies - they f.x. can be punished by the fire of Hell, and according to Islam they can marry humans (laws for such marriages exists!!).)

050 27/17f: "- - - Jinns - - -". An Arabism - see 13/4d above - as they only exists in and around Arabia. The word sometimes is translated with "spirits", but they clearly are something different from ordinary spirits.

051 27/39a: "- - - an 'Ifritt - - -". A category of Jinns. You do not find them in the Bible (or in the old times anywhere else far from Arabian pagan religion and Arabian folklore and fairy tales).

Ifritts are supernatural beings "borrowed" from old Arab pagan religion and folklore. They were below angels and devils in power, and were enormous winged creatures made from fire - males and females. Naturally they lived in societies arranged like in old Arabia with kings and tribes and clans - like it fit a claimed god and a claimed religion for the entire world. They generally marry each others, but also may marry humans. They may be Muslims or "unbelievers", good or bad, but most often ruthless and wicked beings.

052 27/39b: “- - - (one*) of the Jinns - - -”. Jinns are beings with a diffuse role in the Quran. They are “borrowed” from old Arab pagan religion, fairy tales and legends. Allah made them from fire, the Quran tells – or may be from the fire of a scorching wind, according to one place in the Quran. There is said little about their shape - perhaps roughly like humans, though it is indicated that there were several kinds of them. (But as there existed laws for marriage between humans and Jinns, they must have been believed to be roughly human of shape).They also have a diffuse role in the “pantheon” - they definitely do not belong in the heavens, but neither in Hell. There simply is said nothing about where they belong. Neither is anything said about their role in the “life” of Heaven and Hell or their real connection to the “inhabitants” those two places - or to earthlings. Like we said; much is diffuse concerning them and their life, except that they must be beings that can die - and end in Hell mostly it seems. As said they are borrowed from old Arab folklore and fairy tales and mostly seem not really to belong in the religion, though they are mentioned quite frequently. Generally we feel they are a little suspect most of the time, but not always. Some were f.x. servants (or slaves) for King Solomon, and as mentioned; in the older times - not 100 years ago - there existed laws for marriage etc. between humans and Jinns, though no marriage ever took place!!

Do they really exist in the hidden world? - or are they in reality just something from fairy tales used for the mysterious effect?

Another mystery: If Islam is the main and original religion, one should meet the jinns many places – f.x. in the Bible. But you only meet them in Islam, and only in and around Arabia originally.

053 27/39c: "- - - Jinns - - -". Yet another contradiction to the Bible. There is nowhere in the Bible indicated that Solomon had Jinns or other supernatural beings in his service. And it had been included if it were true - it had been additional glory to a big hero of the Jews.

#054 32/13f: “If We (Allah*) so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, ‘I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together’”. One thought: May be it is true Allah has arranged also Hell like a number of Muslim scholars believe (their logic is that Hell could not exist without Allah's permission, if Allah is omnipotent). Another thought: No matter if he has or not – as long as he wants to fill Hell with living beings, he is no benevolent god. Yet another thought: Can the Quran be explained by that the god permitted f.x. a devil (Iblis?) to make a "holy" book to deceive more humans, on the condition that it contained so much wrong that intelligent persons had a fair chance to see the trap?

055 32/13i: "- - - Jinns - - -". Jinns are beings borrowed from Arab folklore and the earlier pagan Arab religion – according to Islam they are created by Allah from smokeless fire, whereas angles are created from light. They may be roughly shaped like humans as Islam have - or at least had - laws for marriage between jinns and humans. To our knowledge no such marriage has taken place till now.

Jinn often is translated with "spirit", but they have to be material beings - if not they could not marry humans, but more obvious: To feel the bodily pain of the fire in Hell, one has to have a body.

056 32/13j: “If We (Allah*) so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, ‘I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together’”. Here are two more differences between Yahweh and Allah:

  1. Yahweh did not have this choice because man really had free will.
  2. Yahweh tries to get as many as possible to Heaven (Luke 15/8-10 + 15/11-31 and Matt. 18/12-14 + 20/8/13). Allah has early made a conscious decision to fill Hell with "Jinns and men altogether".

The same god? Impossible.

057 32/13k: “If We (Allah*) so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, ‘I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together’”. Many Muslim scholars believe Allah is the real ruler also of Hell, as Iblis could not run it against the wish and will of Allah, as Allah is omnipotent. This verse indicates that this may be correct. What does it in case tell about Allah?

058 34/12f: "- - - there were Jinns working for him (Solomon*)." Not from the Bible - see 34/12b above.

059 34/13a: "They (Jinns¨*) worked for him as he (Solomon*) desired - - -". Not from the Bible - and you may bet large money on that the Jews had not omitted a miracle like this connected to the hero king Solomon, if there had been the slightest truth in it. Jinns are not even mentioned in the Bible, and also nothing which can be jinns under another name.

##060 34/14a: “Then, when We (Allah*) decreed (Solomon’s) death, nothing showed them (the surroundings included jinns*) his death, except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away his staff - - -”. Wrong:

  1. In the castle of Solomon there would be no earth and then no worm from the earth. (This could not happen outside, as his servants would not leave the mighty king sitting outside through many days and nights).
  2. There exists no worm from the earth able to gnaw dry, hard wood like in a staff. Some Muslims wants this to have been a termite, but a termite is no worm, and a god knows that. And could one termite gnaw fast enough?
  3. See also 34/14b just below.

061 34/41b: "- - - Jinns - - -". Characters from old Arab pagan religion, legends and fairy tales.

062 34/41c: "- - - Jinns, most of them (non-Muslims*) believed in them". Wrong. In most parts of the world nobody knew about jinns - they are from Arab and surrounding folklore and pagan religion. An Arabism. They f.x. were material beings and not spirits, and therefore cannot be compared to the spirits one finds in many religions.

063 35/1d: "- - - angels, messengers with wings - - -". Contradicts verses telling only men were messengers, at least to men. (A couple of places say jinns to jinns.)

###064 37/6c: “We (Allah*) have indeed decked the lower heaven with - - - stars - - -”. The nature has produced billions of stars - of which man with his naked eyes is able to see 6ooo-7ooo. But in no way he used them to deck a non-existing lower heaven (below the moon according to the astronomy of that time - - - and to the Quran as the moon is "between the heavens") - and neither do nature use the stars as weapons (shooting stars) to chase away evil spirits or jinns like in the Quran, next verse (37/7). Also if the stars - suns - were below the moon, Earth had been pretty hot (in addition to all other nonsense this verse would imply if it had been true, compared to the reality). Is this a proof for that nature knows what it is doing, whereas Muhammad was bluffing?

065 37/7: "(The stars are*) (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil spirits - - -". Wrong. Other places in the Quran make it clear that the guard means that Allah also uses the stars as shooting stars - weapons to chase away jinns and bad spirits wanting to spy on what is said in Heaven. The difference between a real star of zillions of tonnes, and shooting star of milligrams or a little more, is such that comments really should be unnecessary. And bad spirits spying on heavens which are not there? - the only thing which exists in the height where shooting stars happens, is rarefied air. We simply are back in the fairy tales. Also see 37/8 just below.

066 37/8: "(Stars used as shooting stars are used as weapons against jinns and bad spirits*) (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly (Allah's assembly*) - - -". If anyone are able to believe jinns and bad spirits are cruising or hiding in the heights where the shooting stars happen, to listen to what is said in the 7 heavens which do not exist (in those heights there only is rarefied air) they are fully permitted to believe so. No other comment should be necessary.

Well, we may add that this quote sounds like from a fairy tale. Perhaps with a reason?

067 37/9: "Repulsed - - -". The jinns and the bad spirits are chased away by the stars Allah uses for shooting star. If these verses were unknown, one might guess the writer was the slightly romantic Dane Mr. H. C. Andersen - it would fit his style. (If there is anyone not knowing him: He was a most famous writer of fairy tales.)

068 37/10: "Except such (jinns and bad spirits*) as snatch away something (secrets from Heaven*) by stealth, and they are pursued by a flaming fire, of piercing brightness (stars used as shooting stars by Allah as weapons to chase away jinns and bad spirits)". If anyone is able to believe jinns, etc. are cruising around or hiding high up in the stratosphere trying to steal secrets from the heavens which do not exist - at least not in the heights where shooting stars happen, they are permitted to do so. Any more comments should be unnecessary - except also see 37/7 and 37/8 above. Wrong unless Islam proves differently.

069 37/11b: “Them (it here has to be man, as jinns according to the Quran is made from fire*) have We (Allah*) created out of sticky clay.” But: For one thing science says man is not created, but evolved from earlier primates, and in addition: This is contradicted by 6/2, 7/12, 17/61, 32/7, 38/71, and 38/76 whish tell man/Adam was made from clay, 15/26, 15/26, and 15/33 that tell man/Adam was made from sounding clay, 55/14 that tells man/Adam was made from ringing clay, 23/12, that tells man/Adam was made from essence of clay, 15/26, 15/28, and 15/33 that tell man/Adam was made from mud, 3/59, 22/5, 35/11, 40/67, that tell man/Adam was made from dust, 20/55 that tells man/Adam was made from earth, 96/2 that tells man/Adam was made from a clot of congealed blood, 16/4, 75/37, 76/2, 80/19, that tell man/Adam was made from semen (without explaining from where the semen came), 21/30, 24/45, and 25/54 that tell man/Adam was made from water (NB! NB! Not in water, but from water!), 70/39 that tells man/Adam was made from “base material”, and not to mention the greatest contradiction in this case: 19/9 and 19/67 which both tell that man/Adam was created from nothing. (Also see verse 6/2 in the chapters about the 1000+ mistakes in the Quran.) (Strictly speaking this contradicts 30 different verses, but minimum 12 sure contradictions.)

070 37/158a: "And they (people*) have invented blood-relationship between him (Allah*) and the Jinns: But the Jinns know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before His Judgment Seat)". To say the least of it: This is not from the Bible. If there had been any connection between Allah and Yahweh, the Jinns and their judgment at least should have been mentioned in the Bible. As for what exactly is meant here with "blood-relationship" (= quite close relatives) we have not found, as different Muslim scholars give different comments, but it is clear no Muslim likes the accusation. It is clear, though, the old Arabs reckoned the angels to be the daughters of al-Lah/Allah, but the Jinns were not angels.

071 37/158b: "- - - Jinns - - -". Beings - not spirits, though invisible for humans - from old Arab pagan religion, folklore, and fairy tales. They only "existed" in and around Arabia - an Arabism used in the Quran.

072 38/74a: "Not so Iblis - - -". This sentence creates uncertainty in Islam. Here it sounds like Iblis originally was one of the angels. But other places in the Quran it is told he was created from fire (f.x. in 38/76 below), which means he is a Jinn (angles are made from light according to the Quran).

073 38/74b: "- - - Iblis - - -". The angel or jinn - most likely jinn as he is created from fire, whereas the angels are created from light according to the Quran - who became the Devil (still according to the Quran).

074 38/76a: “Thou (Allah*) createdst me (Iblis – the Devil*) from fire - - -.” Here something is wrong, as another place in the Quran it is said he was created from the fire of a scorching wind – there is a difference between a fire and a warm wind. Contradiction. But if he is made from fire, that means he is a jinn.

This is not from the Bible.

075 41/12f: “- - - and (provided it) (the lowest heaven*) with guard”. We know from other places in the Quran, that this “guard” is stars mistaken for shooting stars used against bad spirits and jinns wanting to spy on the heavens. The only place such “information” fits today, is in fairy tales. Who composed the Quran? Contradiction: See 42/12a above.

076 41/25c: "- - - Jinns - - -". A being "borrowed" from old Arab folklore and pagan religion. In spite of Muhammad's claims of being in the same tradition and the really same religion as the old prophets, not one of the old Jewish prophets has mentioned them, and neither did Jesus mention them. They also are not mentioned other places in the Bible.

077 41/29b: "- - - Jinns - - -". See 41/25c above.

#078 42/27b: "- - - His (Allah's*) Servants - - -". The Quran itself and Muslims and Islam claim that the language in the Quran is so clear - easy to understand, impossible to misunderstand, and distinct - that it very clearness is a proof for that it is made by a god. All the same there f.x. are lots and lots and lots of words and expressions which can have more than one meaning. This is one of them. If nothing else is indicated, this expression may mean:

  1. All humans.
  2. All Muslims.
  3. All good Muslims.
  4. All claimed prophets/messengers through the times.
  5. In some cases it may mean the angels or all sentient beings, included the angels.
  6. In some cases it even may include the jinns.
  7. And used in singular it means Muhammad, if nothing else is indicated.

If clearness proves a god, what then does unclearness prove?

079 46/18a: "Such are they against whom it is proved the Sentence among the previous generations of Jinns and men that have passed away, for they will be (utterly) lost." This obscure sentence seems to mean that there are some bad persons - and Jinns - sentenced to Hell, and they are like the bad one in verse 46/17 above.

##080 46/29a: "- - - Jinns - - -". A being "borrowed" from old Arab folklore and local pagan religion - an Arabism. You never find it in the Bible, even though Muhammad claimed it to be the same god and the same basic religion. Jinns were/are physical beings - created from fire (or from excessively hot wind is said one place), not spirits. (Fire is something physical - to be reasonably exact it is smoke and gas so hot that it emits light, and Jinns are thus made from hot smoke and gas. Jinns also can marry humans according to the old Islamic laws - something which would be difficult if they were not material. NB: No such marriage has ever provably happened. Also note here that they "returned to their people" - their fellow Jinns - and not to "their fellow spirits": They had their main similarities to people, even though they were invisible.)

081 46/30b: "O our people!" Notice that the Jinns compare themselves to people, not so spirits - this according to Muhammad (who ought to have corrected them if they were wrong - or perhaps made the story himself*) and the Quran.

082 46/30c: “We (some Jinns*) have heard a Book (the Quran*) revealed after Moses, confirming what came before it - - -”. Jinns were beings “borrowed” from Arab fairy tales, legends and from the old Arab pagan religion – Muhammad mostly based his world on the (contorted) Biblical legends - - - and on Arab traditions (the rest of the world made little or no traces in Allah’s religion – nothing from Europe, Africa, the Americas or Australia f.x. But may be the uneducated, warlike Arabs had done things almost correct in most of the religious aspects in their pagan religion? – only the Arabs of the ones without a Book?).

083 46/31a: "O our people - - -" The expression is repeated without being "arrested" neither by Allah, nor by Muhammad - Jinns must be reasonably similar to humans. See 46/30b above.

084 46/31c: "- - - hearken to the one who invites (you) to Allah (Muhammad*) - - -". This "proved" to his followers that even Jinns listened to Muhammad!

085 46/31d: "- - - hearken to the one who invites (you) to Allah (Muhammad*) - - -". This is one of the points which indicate that also Jinns may end in Paradise. But there is nowhere said anything about their life in Paradise, and it also is made pretty clear in the Quran that most Jinns end in Hell.

086 46/31e: "- - - the one who invites (you) to Allah (Muhammad*) - - -". A time anomaly. And a problem: Also the Jinns never got a proof for that Muhammad told the truth.

087 46/32a: "- - - the one who invites (you) to Allah (Muhammad*) - - -". A time anomaly. And a problem: Also the Jinns never got a proof for that Muhammad told the truth.

088 50/29b: "- - - My (Allah's*) Servants". Here: Likely all humans.

The Quran itself and Muslims and Islam claim that the language in the Quran is so clear - easy to understand, impossible to misunderstand, and distinct - that it very clearness is a proof for that it is made by a god. All the same there f.x. are lots and lots and lots of words and expressions which can have more than one meaning. This is one of them. If nothing else is indicated, this expression may mean:

  1. All humans.
  2. All Muslims.
  3. All good Muslims.
  4. All claimed prophets/messengers through the times.
  5. In some cases it may mean the angels or all sentient beings, included the angels.
  6. In some cases it even may include the jinns.
  7. And used in singular it means Muhammad, if nothing else is indicated.

If clearness proves a god, what then does unclearness prove?

###089 51/22a: "And in heaven is your (Muslims'/humans'*) Sustenance - - -". There are many claims in the Quran saying Allah is behind your sustenance, and as many telling he is the ruler of Heaven, but all of them are just loose words and as loose claims. Nothing more. And such claims about their gods are normal and usual for religious charlatans and cheaters - normally calling themselves prophets or similar and becoming the well off or/and often powerful leaders of sects, etc. like Islam in reality was in the start, a strongly heretical and apocryphal sect spun off from Jewism and Christianity mixed up with the old Arab paganism (most of the rituals, jinns, etc.) + traces from Persia (f.x. the houris, the bridge at the Day of Doom, etc.) and others. With a claimed holy book strongly apocryphal compared to the mother religions - and likely made up in the same way as other apocryphal texts: Made up to fit the leader's ideas and thinking. Except that in the case of the Quran, the "holy" book may partly or mainly derive from a mental illness (TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) according to modern medical science - - - or for that case from dark forces if one believe in such.

090 51/56a: “I (Allah*) have only created jinns - - -". But are jinns really created? They have never ever provably manifested themselves in any way, and they after all just are beings borrowed from old Arab folklore, fairy tales, and pagan religion, and were not to be found other places than in and around Arabia - an Arabism.

It is a reason for thinking that Muhammad uses jinns as a proof for the existence of Allah, as the only places they are proved to "exist", are in old folklore, fairy tales, and old pagan religion. They also according to science of religion are a special kind of beings (the word often is translated with "spirits", but spirits are pure mental beings, whereas jinns are made from smoke and gas (fire), and thus at least partly physical) which on in the old times only found in and around Arabia. A strange choice for a god for the entire world, a pretty natural choice for Muhammad, who took most of his tales in the Quran from his surroundings, and mostly without checking if they were true. (With a rich wife it f.x. had not been too difficult for him to get hold of a Bible, or at least a copy of the old Jewish scriptures and check what that book really said. But he did not bother - to claim that the Bible was falsified, was easier.

091 51/56b: “I (Allah*) have only created jinns and men, that they may serve Me.” But:

7/179: “Many are the Jinns and men We (Allah*) have made for hell”.

A small(?) contradiction. And what does 7/179 tell about Allah?

#092 55/13a: (A55/4): “Then which of the favors of your Lord (Allah*) do (will?*) you deny?” Part of the question here does not show in English, as “you” is the same in singular and plural. But Arab has both singular and plural and in addition dual – when speaking to or about two. And in this case it is used dual, so it is clear the question is asked to two. But which two? – after all it is a very essential question, and one should know who are the addressees. Islam guesses for the two groups, jinns and men, or may be men and women. But it only is guesswork as the text like so often in the Quran is far from clear. No god would use an unclear language.

##093 55/15: “And He (Allah*) created Jinns from fire free of smoke.” Jinns are beings from old Arab folklore, fairy tales and legends relating to the old Arab pagan religion. Is it just by co-incidence that these beings in Allah’s world – that according to the Quran are real beings – before only were known to the Pagan Arabs and not to any others, not even the real (?) prophets in the Bible? – and not to any of the other prophets the Quran claims were spread all over the world and to all times (when translated one often use the word "spirit" or something, but that is because we do not have a corresponding being and name - jinns are physical beings)? No-one but the old Arabs and their neighbors knew about jinns. In a religion for the entire world and made by a god for the entire world, they never manifested(?) themselves any other place in the entire world than just in that area. What a lucky coincident that Allah finally choose just an Arab – Muhammad – for a messenger, so that he could tell the rest of the world what part the jinns play in the real(?) religion. But it also is strange that except for things borrowed from the Bible and a little from neighboring religions, there is nothing about or from the rest of the world in the Quran – and the Quran practically has no stuff from those pasts of the world, even though there have been prophets all over and to all times, according to that book. (As said Jinn often is translated with spirits (god or bad) - but it is wrong, because the Arab word for spirits is "ruh". Also other words for supernatural beings from other cultures are used for translation, but it is symptomatic that top translators do not translate the word, but use the Arab one - Jinns are a group of beings special to Arab folklore and legends, and even the top translators do not find equivalent beings or names in western languages.)

016 We may add that fire free of smoke does not exist (but the smoke sometimes may be in the form of gas and be invisible), as fire simply is smoke and gas so hot that it emits light.

094 55/31a: (A54/14): “O both ye worlds”. Men and jinns? Men and women? Or something else? Who knows? See 55/13 above. And these variants - as usual - also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has/have more than one meaning. Allah (?) really uses a clear language in the Quran.

095 55/33b: "- - - Jinns - - -". A being from old Arab pagan religion (like much more in Islam), folklore, and fairy tales, taken over by Muhammad and his new religion. They are made from fire, and thus material (fire = smoke so hot that it emits light, and smoke is material - in Islamic law there also are laws for marriage to a Jinn, which would not be practically possible if the Jinn was not material), but existed only in and around Arabia at the time of Muhammad - an Arabism. They seem not to be of good nature, because mostly they end up in Hell. It seems to be possible, though, for them also to end in Heaven, but not one word is said in the Quran of their possible life there.

096 55/39b: "- - - Jinn - - -". See 55/33b above.

097 55/56a: "In them (the gardens of Paradise*) will be (Maidens), restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before has touched". A nice Paradise for primitive men - and women does not count much in the Quran - but totally different from Yahweh's Paradise - only this verse proves so formidable difference to Yahweh (see f.x. Luke 20/36, not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17).) that this alone proves Yahweh and Allah cannot be the same god - and then there are all the other differences in addition.

098 55/56c: "- - - (Maidens), chaste - - - whom no man or Jinn before them (the Muslims in Paradise*) has touched - - -". The houris are virgins at arrival, but hardly for a long time. (Well, Islam tells that they fast regrow their hymen and become "virgins" again).

This indirectly also tells that the Jinns have the same kind of sex organs as humans. If not their males could not have sex with the same kind of women - here the houris - as human males.

Compare this to f.x. Matt.22/30: "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven". 200+% sure that Yahweh and Allah do not run the same paradise, and thus are not the same god. And as these are the words of Jesus: As sure that Jesus and Muhammad do not belong in the same moral world neither in this nor in a possible next life. A lot of things in this world are not true even if they are repeated often - f.x. that Jesus and Muhammad belong to the same line of prophets (in addition to that Muhammad was no real prophet - he had not the gift of prophesying).

099 55/56d: "- - - Jinns - - -". See 55/33b above.

100 55/62a: “And besides these two (see 55/46a+b+c*), there are two other Gardens - - -”. Paradise for normal humans is split in at least 4 gardens (perhaps more according to Hadiths), and there they are different according how good a Muslim and how fierce a warrior you have been in this life – the more according to Muhammad’s ideals you have lived and fought, the better garden you will end up in. But all the 4 are paradises with two springs each, plenty of fruits, rich carpets for resting on and plenty of women/houris “- - -(Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them (the Muslims*) has touched (= virgins*) - - -”. Royal earthly standard of living and virgins for free use at your convenience.

The difference in the “geographical” description seems to be that the best gardens have even more plentiful water, and they are dark green from the abundance of water – really a paradise for poor and primitive desert dwellers. It does not take much to make a perfect paradise for naïve and primitive people.

VERY different from the Bible's and Yahweh's Paradise.

It still is said little about how Paradise is for children and women, included the houris.

(We may add that according to Hadiths the Nile and the Euphrates starts in the Gardens of Paradise. Unbelievable? Yes, but it is a fact that Hadiths say so).

101 55/74: "(Houris*) Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched." In the Quran it is not directly said that the houris are for sex. But what do you believe young - and not young - primitive warriors thought about when they were told details like this? Also see 55/56a-c and 55/70 above. It also is said - but not in the Quran - that men in Paradise have perpetual erection (may be necessary with 72 houris + your wives and perhaps your concubines from Earth.)

This also tells indirectly that the Jinns have the same kind of sex organs as humans. If not their males could not have sex with the same kind of women - here the houris - as human males.

####102 67/3a: “He (Allah*) Who created the seven heavens one above another - - -”. It is hardly possible to state the Quran’s picture of our sky more accurately and clearly than this. Neither is possible to be much more wrong, especially when we add that according to the Quran the heavens are held up by invisible pillars, that the heavens are made from something material (if not you could build them and not fasten the stars, etc. to them), that the stars are fixed to the lowest heaven (37/6-7, 41/12) with the sun (?) and the moon between the heavens, and that the stars also double as shooting stars to chase away spying Jinns and bad spirits - and everything as said kept up there by invisible pillars resting on Earth.. See 67/5a and 67/5b below. Who composed the Quran - a god or someone not omniscient? Muhammad perhaps? (And 71/15 even confirms “one above the other”).

This is not even fairy tale quality today - even small children know it is wrong.

Who made the Quran?

103 From 67/5d: Allah often uses stars as shooting stars to chase away jinns and bad spirits spying on Heaven.

104 72/1b: "Jinn". A being originally from old Arab folklore, legends and old pagan Arab religion. According to the Quran, they were created by Allah from fire, and it seems that most of them end in Hell. It also seems, but is not 100% sure from the Quran, that Iblis - the Muslim Devil - originally was a Jinn. In western literature "jinn" often is translated with "spirit", but they seem to be material, though invisible, and also the Quran differentiate between Jinns and spirits, which means Jinns are not spirits. There exist old Islamic laws regulating marriages between humans and jinns, (but no such marriage has ever taken place), and such marriages could not be arranged unless (the Muslims thought) Jinns were material. Also fire = smoke and gas so hot that it emits light, and both smoke and gas are material (glowing "ash" floating in gas). Strangely you found Jinns only in and around Arabia - an Arabism in a claimed universal god's tales.

105 72/1c: "They (the Jinns*) said, 'We have really heard - - -". See 71/7b above. This story is not from the Bible.

106 72/2c: "- - - not join (in worship) any (gods) with our (Jinns'*) Lord (claimed to be Allah*)". See 2/255a, 6/106b and 25/18a above.

107 72/4a: "There are some foolish ones among us (Jinns*), who used to utter extravagant lies against Allah". You had to be foolish not to believe in Muhammad: A never proved argument with a double effect: "All non-Muslims are foolish", and that is the reason why they do not accept Muhammad - the explanation is not that they know or understand things we do not know or are unable to see or understand (which for many was the real reason). And: "We Muslims are the only wise ones", and who does not want to be counted among the wise ones - especially if you are not very wise?

108 72/5: "But we (Jinns (for Muhammad)*) do think that no man or spirit should say aught that is untrue against Allah". No comments except: Remember how much is wrong in the Quran and that not a comma of the essential claims is proved.

Well, one more thing: As the Quran is from no god and full of mistakes, contradictions, etc.: Who is speaking untruth about Allah? - Muslims or non-Muslims? (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

109 72/6b: "True, there are persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the Jinns - - -". If you are able to believe humans took shelter among beings borrowed from old pagan Arab religion, folklore and fairy tales, you are permitted to believe so. But there never was a proved case of such a happening. But it is a nice, if a bit incredible, case of one of Muhammad's techniques when debating: Claim or state that something is true without the slightest proofs, and then make claims from there, or claim it proves this and this. Totally without value as a real argument and not even related to normal logic - - - but so what, as long as naive followers believe it?! (But then Muslims often are not trained in logical deduction, and some of the training they get, even is wrong, as Islam cannot afford to teach logical laws which make the mistakes, contradictions, etc. too easy to see. F.x. that problems can have 2 or more correct solutions, even if the solutions are mutually excluding.)

#110 72/7a: "And they (Jinns*) (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to Judgment)". Here like so many places in the Quran what is said in the Quran is treated as facts, and thus that skeptics are improbably stupid and wrong - some places things like this even is said, not only indicated. This in spite of that not one single central letter in all the Quran is anything but belief - nothing is proved and thus nothing is real knowledge, only belief, and worse; blind belief.

*111 72/8a: “And we (jinns – a being “borrowed” from pagan Arab religion, legends and fairy tales*) pried into the secrets of heaven - - -". According to this and some other places in the Quran, Jinns and bad spirits lurked around under the (lowest?) heaven and tried to spy on what happened and what was said in the heavens. As the havens (and likely Jinns) do not exist - at least not like described in the Quran - comments gives themselves.

*112 72/8b: “And we (jinns*) pried into the secrets of heaven, but we found it filled with stern guides and flaming fires.” The Quran tells that Allah uses the stars like shooting stars – flaming fire – to chase away bad spirits and jinns wanting to spy on heaven. No comments should be necessary to this nonsense. Any god had known the difference between a shooting star, and a real star - even a devil had known. Then who made the Quran?

113 72/8c: (A71/6): “And we pried into the secrets of heaven: but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires (shooting stars*)” The majority of Muslims thinks this refers to jinns trying to spy on Heaven. But then there are the other possible explanations according to Muslims: That it refers to the Jews and their “haughty” belief in security and special treatments because the belief that they were “Yahweh’s chosen people” (why do the Quran – and Muslims – never mention that the real reason for this belief was the fact that they believed they had a covenant with Yahweh? – a covenant mistreated and broken, but never terminated.) Or to the Jews’ special interest for astrology – a special interest not known to anyone but Muslims. This is one more place where multiple meanings may have come into existence more from wishful slander-like thinking, than from real linguistic problems - - - but they are as real as long as Muslims believe in them.

114 72/9a: "We (Jinns*) used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden (in open space!*)) stations, to (steal) a hearing - - -". See 72/8a above.

115 72/9d: "- - - any (jinn*) who listens (spies*) now will find a flaming fire (shooting star*) watching him in ambush". See 72/8b above.

116 114/6: "- - - Jinns - - -". A being "borrowed" from old Arab pagan religion, folklore, legends and fairy tales. (Is it symbolic that these are the final words in the Quran?)

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139.   JOB

According to the Bible (the Book of Job) Job was a rich man of good moral and a strong believer in Yahweh, "in the land of Uz" (the Quran gives no background). Still according to the Bible the Devil made Yahweh test his belief tested him by robbing him for everything included his health. Job came through with flying colors.

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001 4/163e: "- - - We (Allah*) sent it (messages by inspiration*) to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the (12 Jewish*) Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and to Solomon - - -". As Muhammad claimed he received his verses from Allah by inspiration, it was essential to "prove" that this was a normal way for prophets to receive information from the god. And NB: He used these claimed Muslim prophets as proofs for that "inspiration" was a normal way of communication. The word "inspiration" is not used anywhere in the Bible in such connections. Also it is nowhere in the Bible mentioned that Ishmael had a close enough connection to Yahweh to be a prophet.

002 6/84d: "- - - Noah - - - David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron - - -". 7 time anomalies. See 4/13d above.

003 21/83a: "- - - Job - - -". A time anomaly.

004 21/84a: "- - - and We (Allah*) restored his (Job's*) people to him - - -". And all was well? Not a word about the loss the ones who had to die had had - the main person is rich again, and that is what counts. Empathy with the less essential ones does not exist in the Quran.

005 21/84b: "- - - and We (Allah*) restored his (Job's*) people to him, and doubled their number - - -". Contradiction of the Bible. Job 1/2 tells he had 7 sons and 3 daughters when the story started, and Job 42/13 tells he got 7 sons and 3 daughters afterwards instead of the first ones who all died. As the Quran is not from a god, and as the Bible is the only source for information about Job, where did Muhammad get his numbers from?

006 38/41a: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Servant Job". According to the Bible he was Yahweh’s' servant, not Allah's.

007 38/41-43: The story about Job is much different from in the Bible - and especially the point of the story is maltreated.

008 38/42: "Strike with your (Job's*) foot: here is (water) to wash - - -". This is not in the Bible at all - from where did Muhammad get this, as the Quran with all its errors, etc. is not from any god?

009 38/43a: "- - - and doubled their number - - -". Not from the Bible. Also the pain and the loss the dead ones suffered, is of no interest or consequence - a good and benevolent god?

#010 38/44a: “And take in thy hand a little grass and strike therewith, and break no thy oath.” Job had according to another place in the Quran sworn to give his wife 100 whiplashes because she did not believe strongly enough (“no compulsion in religion”? - and not from the Bible). But then he regretted his oath, and instead struck her lightly once with 100 straws of grass – then he had kept his oath! Cheating is ok in the Quran as you see among other places here - To circumvent an oath or a promise or to only pretend keeping them, is ok - a small example of Kitman. And an excellent sample of the moral in the Quran. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

An example of a Hilah - a pretending or circumventing.

Al-Taqiyya and Kitman, etc. make a problem for every non-Muslim: Is it possible any time at all to know when a Muslim speaks the truth about a serious question? - when he/she is using Al-Taqiyya or Kitman to cheat you?

But it also is a problem for Muslims: How to make people believe you even when you are telling the full truth, when they know about the lawful lie and the lawful half-truth (al-Taqiyya and Kitman)? And how to strengthen your word when even oaths are not reliable?

Like it or not; dishonesty is an integrated part of Islam. In this case a Hilah - the lawful pretending/circumventing of honesty.

011 38/44c: "Ever did he (Job*) turn (to Us (Allah*))". According to the Bible, Job turned to Yahweh, not to Allah.

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140.   JOHN THE BAPTIST

John - Yahya in the Quran - according to the Bible was born half a year before Jesus. John's mother, Elizabeth, and Jesus' mother, Mary, were relatives (Luke 1/36). It is possible he was foretold in OT. Isaiah 40/3 says: "A voice of one calling: 'In the desert prepare way for the Lord, make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God'". This is a good description of the essence of John and his work, and likely is a foretelling about him.

Muslims often claim that John foretold Muhammad. Some relevant quotes about this from John:

  1. Matt. 3/11: "He (one who will follow John*) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire". This fits Jesus. Jesus used/recommended baptizing and Jesus according to the Bible had close connections to the Holy Spirit. It does not fit Muhammad, who did not use baptizing, and his claimed connection to the Holy Spirit was so unclear (made up?) that most Muslims and Islam believes the Holy Spirit = the angel Gabriel. (And for that case Muhammad's claimed connection to Gabriel was so unclear that Muhammad was not aware of that according to the Bible Gabriel was not a mere angel, but an arch angel. Another curiosa: Muhammad did not name Gabriel until in the Medina period. Why?)
  2. Mark 1/8: "I (John*) baptize you with water, but he (the one coming after John*) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit". The Holy Spirit is part of the ritual Jesus initiated concerning baptizing. Muhammad neither used baptizing, nor had any clear connection to the Holy Spirit (The Quran 2 or 3 times claims the Holy Spirit brought Muhammad messages, but this only are claims.)

  3. John 1/26: "'I baptize with water', John (the Baptist*) replied, 'but among you stands one you do not know (this was shortly before Jesus started his mission*). He is the one who comes after me - - -". This fits Jesus, but as Muhammad definitely did not "stand among them" - Muhammad lived 500+ years later - and this thus definitely does not fit him.
  4. John 1/29: "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said: 'Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This (Jesus*) is the one I meant when I said, 'A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me'". Here it is directly said that John was talking about Jesus - and about someone who existed there and then. Remember here that according to the Bible he definitely was not talking about Muhammad or anybody but Jesus, and that Muhammad did not even exist until some 540 years later. (This happened when Jesus was around 30 years old - Muhammad was not born until around 570 AD.) ##########In a way worse: Muslim scholars read the Bible to find points to pick. It is not possible that Islam does not know this verse, but still scholars and others claim that it was Muhammad John foretold.
  5. John 1/32: "I (John the Baptist*) saw the (Holy*) Spirit come down from heaven and remain on him (Jesus*). I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with Water (Yahweh*) told me, ' The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain, is he who baptize with the Holy Spirit'. I have seen and testify that this is the Son of God (Yahweh*)". As you see John far from foretold Muhammad - he simply was talking and in present tense about Jesus. And one more thing he according to the Bible testified, was that Jesus was the son of Yahweh, something which also strongly contradicts Muhammad's, the Quran's, and Islam's claims on this point.

John nowhere in the Bible said anything about a prophet who was to be expected after Jesus (actually there nowhere in the Bible is said or even indicated that such one was to be expected. And he definitely said nothing about Muhammad. Islam's/Muslims' claims that John the Baptist foretold Muhammad are not correct.

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001 3/39b: "- - - Yahya - - -". The Arab name of John the Baptist.

##227 3/39e: "- - - Yahya (John*) - - - a Prophet". John the Baptist is in the Bible hardly really classified among the prophets - - he is something special. But he had a prophet's qualifications as he obviously had connections to Yahweh and also made prophesies: He foretold Jesus. Interesting here is that he told that the one he foretold, already was living among the Jews (John 1/26) - this was before Jesus had started his mission - and that he never mentioned a successor of Jesus, and that he also later directly pointed to Jesus as the one he had been prophesying about.

002 3/41d: "- - - thou (Zechariah/Zakariyya*) shalt not speak for three days - - -." The Bible tells he was unable to speak until John was born (Luke 1/20) - or actually till the baby got his name (Luke 1/63-64). Contradiction.

003 6/85a: "And Zakariyya and John, and Jesus and Elias - - -". 4 time anomalies. See 4/13d above.

004 From 7/157e:

John 1/19-23

“Now this was John’s (John the Baptist*) testimony according to the Bible when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites (from the Levi tribe – the priest tribe*) to ask him who he was. (20) He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, ‘I am not the Christ (Messiah*).’(21) They asked him, ‘Then who are you? Are you Elijah?’ He said, ‘I am not.’ ‘Are you the Prophet?’ He answered, ‘No.’ (22) Finally they said, ‘Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?’ (23) John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, ‘I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord’’”.

Well, this has to be about Muhammad, is the claim – a voice in the desert and a “straight way” (an expression often used by Muhammad)! This even though all the rest is about Jesus and is proclaiming his divinity (and has to be lies, according to Islam) – this cherry-picked small piece must be true, according to some Muslims.

But how could John the Baptist – the messenger for Jesus, and he who proclaimed Jesus’ divinity – be making "the way straight for Muhammad” some 580 years later? – without once even giving a hint about Arabia or anything? There is no connection between the two anywhere. Wrong.

#####This even more so as he told that the one he was speaking about, was standing living among them (John 1/26) - a person alive around 30 AD, was definitely not alive around 610 AD.

Besides John spoke about one who would baptize - even baptize with the Holy Spirit (Mark 1/8). Muhammad did not use baptizing, and knew very little about the Holy Spirit.

And finally: As mentioned before the word "Lord" used in the Bible as a name for a religious "person" ALWAYS AND WITHOUT EXCEPTION refers to Yahweh or (sometimes in NT) Jesus. There is no exception from this rule.

Ugly: Muslim scholars has got to know this - it is in the same Gospel as their main claim - but they never mention it - or that in the Bible "Lord" ALWAYS means Yahweh or sometimes Jesus. Al-Taqiyya? Kitman?

 

005 From 7/157e:

John 1/26-27:

"'I baptize with water', John replied, 'but among you stands one you do not know. He is the one who comes after me - - -". Here are two essential points: John the Baptist was talking 1) about "one who stands among you" = "one who lives now". Jesus lived then - he was just 6 months younger than John. And 2): "He is the one who comes after me". Jesus was the one who took over after John. (When it is said they did not know John's follower, it is because this was before Jesus started his work). Remember these two points further down - Muslims NEVER mention these two verses. You may also remember the facts about baptizing mentioned in the point just above.

006 From 7/157e: One relevant comment from Acts 1/4-5: Jesus said to his disciples shortly before his ascension to Heaven: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift (the Comforter/Parakletos*) my Father (Yahweh*) promised, which you have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit".

007 12/100c: “- - - and they (Jacob and his family*) fell down in prostration, (all) before him (Joseph*) - - -.” This or something similar is not to be found in the Bible.

008 13/38b: "We (Allah*) did send Messengers before thee (Muhammad*), and appointed for them wives and children - - -". We quote A1861: "All prophets of whom we have any detailed knowledge, except one (Jesus*), had wives and children (= Muhammad was a normal prophet also in this way - well, extra normal with 36 known women). But this claim needs a selective use of the expression "detailed knowledge". Not all prophets are known to have had wives - f.x. it is unlikely John the Baptist had a wife - and for many that situation simply is not mentioned in the Bible. Also the Quran does not mention any wives for the claimed Arab prophets Hud, Salih, and Shu'ayb. Use the expression "detailed knowledge" selectively enough, and you get the answer you want.

But more dishonest here - a Kitman (lawful half-truth) - is that one does not mention that none - not one - of the prophets in the Bible had a big harem (beware that f.x. David and Solomon primarily are kings, but not actively reckoned among the prophets in the Bible - though f.x. David is in some of the lists of Jewish prophets). Of claimed professional prophets only Muhammad had - science knows the name of 35 women who for shorter or longer time belonged to his harem (in addition there was Khadijah, but she died before he got a harem). Also in this way Muhammad does not belong in the line of Yahweh's prophets in Israel.

009 19/7b: “- - - his (Zakariyya's son’s*) name shall be Yahya (John*): on none by that name We (Allah*) have conferred distinction before”. But Johanan (Hebrew for John), son of Kareah, was a distinguished man in 2. Kings, 25/23. From relevant history also were the priest-king John Hyrcanus and the general John the Essene. There both were many Johns and men of distinction named John before John the Baptist. In addition our sources says that the word “distinction” is not in the Arab edition, but added by Yusuf Ali to circumvent an obvious mistake, as the name John was far from unknown in Hebrew. (Yusuf Ali’s comment 2461). Other translators – f.x. Muhammad Azad in “The Message of the Quran” – say in his comments to the point that the exact translation is (translated from Swedish): “We (Allah*) have never before named anybody with his (John the Baptist’s*) name before”. But the name John is mentioned 27 times in OT = before John the Baptist – it was a quite common name. The claim simply is wrong.

To add words not to clarify things in the Quran, but to hide errors tell something ugly. It also tells that it is not the truth which counts for some Muslim scholars, but to make the Quran look truthful. But if there is a next life, what is more essential than to find the real truth behind religion - and which one(s) may be true and which not? If there is a next life and the Quran is a made up book, Muslims will pay a terrible price for Muhammad's and their other leaders good days on Earth, and for their own flight from meeting perhaps hard and unwanted truths.

Well, this baby grew up to a man who prepared Israel for Jesus – John the Baptist – half a year older than Jesus only, but as Jesus only started his preaching 30 years old, John anyhow had time to talk about one who was to come shortly.

Except for that the name should be John, this quote is not from the Bible.

010 19/13: "- - - he (John - later the Baptist*) was devout - - -". A time anomaly.

011 21/90: "- - - Yahya (John the Baptist*) - - -". A time anomaly.

012 From 67/3a: The 7 heavens and whom Muhammad met there during his claimed trip to the claimed 7 Heavens:

  1. Gharibya, Abraham.
  2. Rafqa, Moses.
  3. Ratqa, Aaron, brother of Moses.
  4. Arqlun, Idris (= Enoch or Elijah or somebody else - Islam does not know).
  5. Aun, Joseph son of Jacob.
  6. Faydum, Jesus* and John the Baptist.
  7. Birqi, Adam.

*Jesus was the strongest competitor to Muhammad and had to be reduced. This is done by f.x. placing him as far from Allah and as far below Muhammad (who claimed he would end in the 7. Heaven) as the 2. heaven. Here he is placed "on par" with John the Baptist.

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