Humans, Other Beings in/Relevant to the Quran, Part 17

 

111.   HEROD - KING IN JERUSALEM AT THE TIME OF JESUS' BIRTH


Herod - also called Herod the Great - was the top man under the Romans when Jesus was born. Some - and not only Muslims - question how he could be involved in that story as it some places is said that he died in the year 4 BC. The explanation is simply that the time line we use is not quite correct. When they wanted to start reckoning the time from the birth of Jesus, and calculated how many years ago that was, they made a mistake. Science is not sure exactly how many years the time line is wrong, but between 4 and 6 years, and most likely 5 years late. This means that Herod died in the year 4 BC according to the imperfect time line. But as it also means that Jesus was born 5 years before the wrong start of our time line - in 5 BC - the numbers add up: Jesus was born, Herod was a danger so that Jesus and his parents had to go to Egypt, Herod died and they could return home.

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112.   HIND BINT UTBAH

One of Abu Sufyan's likely 2 wives. Her father was killed by the Muslims in the Battle of Badr, and she wanted revenge. When Muhammad's uncle, Hamzah, was killed in the Battle of Uhud, she mutilated his corpse. She was on Muhammad's death list when he took Mecca in 630 AD, but for some reason or other she was not killed. One of her daughters, Ramla bint Abu Sufyan, married Muhammad, and her son, Muawiya, became the first of the Umayad caliphs. She died during the 640s AD. Her description in Muslim literature may have been discolored by the Islamic history tellers' strong dislike of the Umayads.

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113.   The HOLY SPIRIT

Neither the Bible nor the Quran explains what the Holy Spirit really is. The Bible indirectly makes it clear that it is something essential and very special, whereas the Quran indicates nothing, but only mentions the name.

The word "ruh" is used several places in the Quran, and normally is translated "the Holy Spirit", but the "full name" "ruh al-qudus" is used only 3 times (2/87, 5/110, 16/102).

But as the Quran tells that the Holy Spirit a few times brought messages to Mohammad, and that the angel Gabriel did the same, parts of Islam and many Muslims make the logically invalid conclusion that the Holy Spirit not only may be, but is just another name for Gabriel. This claim is not from the Quran, but has emerged later - and strongly conflicts the Bible. (And we here once more remind you that in spite of Muhammad's claims about this, both science and Islam have proved that the Bible is not falsified.)

Also remember that the Holy Spirit also is known under several other names in the Bible - like "the Spirit of God", "the Holy Ghost", "the Spirit", "the Spirit of Truth", or "the Spirit of the Lord".

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001 2/87g: "- - - the Holy Spirit." This is one of the few places the Holy Spirit is clearly mentioned in the Quran (at least here and in 2/253, 5/110, 16/102, 17/85, and 26/193 - the last one not 100% sure, though). All the same Muhammad believed the trinity consisted of God/Yahweh, Jesus and Mary!! (A good laugh for anyone who has ever read the Bible.) Also beware that many Muslims who has not read the Bible, believe the Holy Spirit = the arch angel Gabriel (Gabriel was said to bring Muhammad messages, the Holy Spirit was said a few times to bring Muhammad messages - ergo the Spirit = Gabriel. You also other places in Islamic literature will see that not all Muslims have studied the laws of logic.) Anyone who reads the Bible with an open mind, will see that the Holy Spirit is something special.

002 2/253f: "- - - the holy spirit - - -" This is one of the few times the Spirit - also named the Holy Spirit, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of God/Yahweh, the Spirit of the Lord, etc. - like Allah and like Muhammad it has several names) - is mentioned in the Quran (you also find it in 2/87, 5/110, 16/102, 17/75 likely in 26/193). Muhammad had very vague ideas about it and f.x. believed the Trinity consisted of Yahweh, Jesus and Mary (!). Muslims often claim it is another name for the angel Gabriel - and idea no-one who ever read the Bible with an open mind would get. And in addition to everything else which makes the claim ridicules, the old Jews knew well the difference between angels and spirits, and in the entire Bible there is not one single case where the two are mixed or mistaken. (But never think that a religious person will believe facts if they do not fit his belief).

003 3/80a: "Nor would he (a true prophet*) instruct you to take angels - - - for Lords and Patrons". No Christian would understand this sentence unless he/she also knew the Quran and some more of Islam: There is no place in the NT where one is instructed to take one or more angels "for Lord and Patron" - not even a place in the Bible where the text is possible to misunderstand like that.

But then there is the claim that The Holy Spirit just is another name for the angel Gabriel. Gabriel brought messages to Muhammad, but the Quran also a couple of times mention that the Holy Spirit also did so: Logical shortcut - and like some other places in the Quran a logically invalid one: The Holy Spirit = the angel Gabriel. But no-one who has ever read the Bible with an open mind, would ever get the idea that the Holy Spirit is an angel - whatever it is, it clearly is something very special and very different from an angel. Also the Quran does not say that Gabriel = the Holy Spirit - the claim started somewhere outside the Quran.

As for prophets as "Lord and Patron", there remains the question of saints - though they normally never were prophets originally. Here the Quran may have a point, as saints is not something from the Bible.

And finally there remains the question of Jesus. Here it is no doubt that the NT unmistakeingly indicates that Jesus is divine - and Islam has till date never proved this wrong - lots of claims, but only claims. Also see 3/80b just below.

004 3/81m: "Allah said: 'Do ye (all the old prophets*) agree, and take this Covenant (including believing in and helping Muhammad*) as binding on you?' They said: 'We agree'". He said: 'Then bear witness (about Muhammad*) - - -". They cannot have been very reliable, as exactly none of the known prophets ever mentioned him - included not Abraham, not Moses, and not Jesus to mention 3 of the main prophets according to the Quran (and yes, we know about the cherry-picked, wrong claims concerning 5. Mos. 18/15 and 18/18, and about the helper Jesus promised his disciples (the Holy Spirit) which Islam claims meant Muhammad 500+ years after the last disciple was dead).

#005 4/171k: "- - - a Spirit proceeding from Him (Allah*) - - -". One of the few references in the Quran to the Holy Spirit.

#006 4/171l: "- - - a Spirit proceeding from Him (Allah*) - - -". A contradiction to the Bible - in the Bible the Holy Spirit belongs to Yahweh.

007 5/110c: "- - - I (Allah*) strengthened thee (Jesus*) with the holy spirit - - -". Contradicted by the Bible which tells it was Yahweh who did this. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

008 5/110d: "- - - the holy spirit - - -". The Spirit is mentioned a few times in the Quran, even though Muhammad did not understand it properly. Muslims today often claim that this is just another name for the angel Gabriel, even though this is not said in the Quran - perhaps because Muhammad used to claim it was Gabriel who brought him many of his claimed revelation (though other times he dreamt them), and once it is mentioned that the Holy Spirit brought him some revelations; viola! - the Holy Spirit = Gabriel. The logic is invalid (the most you can say logically, is: "perhaps the Holy Spirit is Gabriel" - there is a long distance from "perhaps" to "is", but you will often see Muslims doing this kind of logically invalid "jumps" to get answers they wish or want. Just keep an eye open and you will see such logically invalid "conclusions" here and there.) No-one who knows the Bible would get that idea, as the Holy Spirit clearly is something special (and also the old Jews knew the difference between an angel and a spirit) - but Islam as normal just claims without any documentation.

*009 5/116d: Mohammad believed the Trinity consisted of God/Yahweh, Jesus and Mary. Wrong. Both Muhammad and the Quran were wrong in the extreme when he/they thus believed Mary was part of the Trinity. (It consists (?) of God/Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit – also called the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of God, or only the Spirit, the Spirit of the Lord, and a few other names). Muhammad never understood the trinity and he never understood the Holy Spirit, even though he used the Spirit a few times in the Quran – and some Muslims refer to the Holy Spirit in the Quran as another name for the arch angel Gabriel(!) as it is “known” that Gabriel brought surahs and verses, but it is also said in the Quran that the Spirit brought some. A logical short-circuit. (No knower of the Bible would ever get this idea).

010 7/180a: "The most beautiful names belong to Allah - - -". Islam claims Allah has 99 names - and the names do exist in long lists. If the meaning of those names - like "the Oft-Forgiving", "the Most Merciful", etc. - had been true, the meaning of the names had been attractive. But the names themselves are far too prosaic to be beautiful. A curiosa: Even though Allah has 99 names and Muhammad quite a number (more than 200), Muslims claim that the Holy Spirit one place cannot be the Holy Spirit, because there is used another name, "The spirit of Truth" - "ergo" the Spirit of Truth" must mean Muhammad, they claim (in their main claim for Muhammad in NT in John , ch. 14-16). Logic? - especially when you know that the Holy Spirit is known by at least 6 different names in the Bible, included the Spirit of Truth?

011 9/31e : "- - - yet they (the Christians*) were commanded to worship but One God - - -". Muhammad never understood the Christian religion and thinking. According to Christians there is only one god. Then there is a figure - a helper or something (the son, Jesus) - who in reality gets his light and his power from God/Yahweh. And finally there is something more diffuse and seldom seen; The messenger boy or something named the Holy Spirit (sometimes wrongly claimed to be the arch angel Gabriel by Muslims who have never read the Bible, or who have read it with a closed mind). To use a picture: There is one sun. Then there is a moon which gets its light from the sun. And there is the seldom seen satellite somewhere around. But only one sun. And that is the complete "pantheon". To mix Mary into the Trinity (like Muhammad does at least one place in the Quran) just is one more proof for that no god made the Quran, and for that Muhammad did not understand the trinity. Mary and the other saints (only for the Catholics, and not for all of them) are not divine. In Islam some good Muslims end in the higher heavens closer to Allah. In the same way Catholics believe that some really good Christians end up closer to God in Heaven - though figuratively. And just like Muhammad claimed he can interfere for whom he like on the Last Day, Catholics believe that as these normal, but good, humans called saints can interfere with God on our behalf, as they are closer to him. But as this is not a part of the Bible, the Protestants - and the Sunni Muslims - may be right: May be there are no saints.

012 16/2d: “He (Allah*) doth send down His angels with inspiration (“ruh”) - - -.” But the Arab word “ruh” used here does not really mean inspiration – it means spirit or the Spirit (or the Holy Spirit) or the breath of life. We may add that Muslims often claims that the Holy Spirit just is another name for the angel Gabriel (an idea no-one who reads the Bible with an open mind would get). But here it is clear that the (Holy) Spirit – “ruh” – is not included among the angels (the angels transported the "ruh"). (Actually Muhammad never quite understood what the Holy Spirit – one of it’s at least 8-10 names – was). Also see f.x. 70/4a, 78/38 and 97/4c where the same word – “ruh” – is used (it is used 21 times in the Quran).

013 16/35a: "The worshippers of false gods - - -". An interesting point here is that Muhammad reckoned Christians to believe Jesus was/is such a false god - Muhammad never understood the Gospels and the rest of NT on points like this. The Bible do not say Jesus is a god, only that he is divine - a prince is not a king, even if he belongs to the royal family (and in this case he also never will become a king, as the king - Yahweh - is eternal). Muhammad also never understood the Trinity dogma, and believed it consisted of Yahweh, Jesus and Mary instead of Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (though he may be right that the Trinity dogma is not correct - the three may perhaps not be one - that dogma is manmade and may be wrong, as this is not said in the Bible. It is a Christian dogma from the 4. century, and it got its present form from the so-called Cappadocian Fathers (Gregory of Nyassa (332-395), Basil the Great (320-79), Gregory of Nazeanzus (329-389)). The nearest you come in the Bible is that Jesus said that he and his father, Yahweh, were one.)). And to finish the Trinity: The Holy Spirit is a kind of messenger or ambassador for Yahweh - one hardly with any will of its own. And just to repeat it: Many Muslims claim the Holy Spirit just is another name for the archangel Gabriel. No-one who really knows the Bible would ever get that idea - the claim was not even worth a comment if it was not because many Muslims do not know any better and believe in it. It also is not said in the Quran.

014 16/102a: “- - - the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation (= the Quran*) from thy Lord (Allah*) - - -.”

2/97: “Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel – for he brings down the (revelation (= the Quran*)) (at least what is not brought by “inspiration”*) - - -“. Muslims sometimes say that Gabriel brought the most of those who were not sent by “inspiration”, but that the Holy Spirit brought some, and they might have got away with it - - - if it was not because other Muslims say that this is one of the proofs for that the Holt Spirit = Gabriel (sic!!).

In a way a contradiction. But the main effect is that as the Quran says the Holy Spirit brought down some verses, many Muslims as said believe the Holy Spirit just is another name for Gabriel. No-one who has read the Bible with an open mind would get such an idea (and it is neither said, nor hinted in the Quran).

015 16/102b: “- - - the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation - - -“. Muhammad Azad: “The Message of the Quran” tells that the Arab word “ruh al-qudus” (= the Holy Spirit) is used 3 times in the Quran (2/87, 5/110 – both connected to Jesus – and here), and that here it means the angel Gabriel. The Holy Spirit in Arab = Gabriel? That in case means that in 2/87 and 5/110 Jesus is strengthened with the angel Gabriel - a bit far from what the Bible tells. (It is likely Islam sets the Holy Spirit = Gabriel because the Quran tells that Gabriel brought large parts of the Quran (other parts came to him in dreams, by "inspiration", etc.), so that when it says that the Holy Spirit brought him verses, that must mean that the book is talking about Gabriel - not 100% logical to say the least of it. (But Muslims often are quick to go from "this may be so" to "this is so" and sometimes even to "this is a proof"). Also see 2/97. (There are texts in the Bible making this impossible - f.x. that the disciples of Jesus each got a part of the Spirit, whereas angels do not split into pieces. Besides the Bible very well knows the difference between angels and spirits. And not to forget: It is nowhere said in the Quran that Gabriel = the Holy Spirit.)

016 16/102c: (YA2141): "- - - the Holy Spirit - - -". YA's comment: = The title of the Angel Gabriel - - -". This is a claim you sometimes meet from Muslims. But no-one who ever read the Bible with an open mind, would ever get such an idea (and even the Quran does not say so) - the Holy Spirit clearly is something special in the Bible, and something much more and much more essential than even an arch angel. Besides the Bible knows very well the difference between a spirit and an angel - and in the Bible Gabriel is not even an ordinary angel, but an arch-angel. And: When the Holy Spirit came to the disciples of Jesus after he had left them, it split or splintered off something and took part in each of them. No angel could be split in 11 (Judas Iscariot was not there naturally) or more. Some spirits can.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong argument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

017 17/85a: "- - - the Spirit - - -". Most Muslim scholars mean this is a reference to the Holy Spirit (mentioned full name 3 times in the Quran), though other explanations are possible - like Islam claims, the Quran has a very distinct language, easy to understand and impossible to misunderstand(?). But many of the scholars mix the Holy Spirit with the arch angel Gabriel - Gabriel brought messages to Muhammad according to the Quran, and the Holy Spirit a few times did the same - "ergo" the Holy Spirit must be Gabriel, Q.E.D. No comments except that no really knower of the Bible - Christian, Jewish, or something else - would ever get that idea if the book is read with an open mind. This claim is not from the Quran.

018 17/85b: "- - - the Spirit (of inspiration) - - -". This explanation by the translator in reality is unclear, as it most likely is the Holy Spirit which is meant. But then the Quran a couple of places tells that the Holy Spirit brought verses to Muhammad, and as he claimed to get many of his verses "by inspiration", this conclusion - right or wrong - is easy to make. A small curio here: In the Hadiths it is told that Muhammad only dreamt such verses and surahs in the bed of Aisha (his child wife).

019 18/5b: "It is a grievous thing (to say Jesus is son of Yahweh*) that issues from their (Christians'*) mouths as a saying". For one thing Muhammad could not accept Jesus was son of Yahweh, because then obviously Muhammad was not the greatest. Besides he never understood the constellation Yahweh/Jesus/Holy Spirit (though he may be right that the trinity dogma may be is not correct - it is man-mad and not from the Bible - - - but Muhammad believed it consisted of Yahweh/Jesus/Mary(!)), and he never understood that a prince only is a prince even if his father is a king - Jesus belonged to divine stock, but was and is not himself a god. Thus he found that to look at Jesus as divine, was polytheism, and polytheism he could not accept.

But it is provoking some thoughts that 19/19 admits that Jesus was holy, which Muhammad definitely was not, also according to the Quran - how can Muhammad then be the greatest prophet?. And that Jesus in 19/33 talks about his death and resurrection, whereas Islam claims he did not die, but was taken up to Heaven alive (4/158) - one of them is wrong.

*020 25/2e: “- - - nor has He (Allah*) a partner in his dominion - - -”. Well, if Allah should happen to be just another name for Yahweh: In the very old Hebrew religion there was a female deity - Yahweh’s Amat (woman or wife). (Source: New Scientist among others). In the very masculine society there, she simply was forgotten. And then there is the question of Jesus and of the Holy Spirit, which even the Quran mentions a few (3) times - are they a kind of partners? At least underlings. (But here it most likely means no wife/woman, and thus no mother for Jesus in Heaven.)

*021 26/193a: “With it (the Quran*) came the Spirit of Faith and Truth”. If truth came down with the Quran, it must have been mutilated later. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.) NB: This is one of the places where Quran mentions "the Holy Spirit", (though the Arab "Al ruh al Amin" normally refers to the archangel Gabriel - but Muslims often mix the two, and many do not even know the difference and believe they are the same. This even though Muslim top scholars know the Bible, and no-one really knowing the Bible would mix the two; for one thing it indirectly, but very clear is told in the texts that the two are two different beings, and for another the writers of the Bible knew the difference between angels and spirits.)

022 40/15d: "- - - the spirit (of inspiration) - - -". Muhammad claimed he got his information from his god by means of inspiration, and many places in the Quran you find he claims all other prophets received their information the same way - which in case would make Muhammad’s claim that he himself got it by inspiration, a normal way of divine communication, and thus Muhammad a normal prophet. As far as we can find the word "inspiration" is not used in such connections anywhere in the Bible, and thus not normal for Biblical prophets.

####023 53/6-9: "he" in these 4 verses is the angel Gabriel. It may be noteworthy that even as often as Gabriel is mentioned as the one giving Muhammad his claimed messages, Muslim scholars say Muhammad saw him "in his real shape" only 2 times - once early during Muhammad's claimed mission, and once during Muhammad's claimed trip to the 7 heavens. (A trip which most likely was a dream or made up (little known Islamic scriptures + the lack of elaboration in the Quran strongly indicate that is a story made up after the death of Muhammad - f.x. his pet wife and famous child wife Aisha, told that he never left her bed that night, according to Hadiths. Or even more likely it is a made up legend based on 17/1 and nothing else - a verse which likely talks about a trip Muhammad made from a neighboring town with a mosque (al-Jirana some 9 miles/15 km from Mecca) to Kabah in Mecca - and definitely nothing about any ascension to the 7 heavens or meeting with Biblical prophets. Old Muslim scriptures indicate this - a fact Muslims NEVER mention. What is for sure is that if it had been real and even distantly as essential as claimed, it had been thoroughly described in the Quran - it had been a real proof (though without witnesses) for contact with a god.)

####It also might be noteworthy that there nowhere in the Quran is indicated that Gabriel = The Holy Spirit. This is a claim made up by later Muslims.)

####And then there is the curious fact that Muhammad never named Gabriel until after he came to Medina. One may wonder why. It is psychologically impossible that he did not mention him to his surroundings if he really met Gabriel - it had been such a strong argument, and this even more so as he was strongly pressed for documentation for connection to a god. Yes, even if he was cheated by f.x. a mental disorder, but honestly believed he had met Gabriel, there is no chance he had not told about it - at that time he really needed all arguments he could find.

One possible explanation is that he did not get the idea of introducing Gabriel before.

024 70/4a: “The angels and the Spirit (“ruh” in the Arab text) - - -.” The word “ruh” is used a few times in the Arab text – at least in 16/2, 78/38, 97/4c and here. It likely means “the Spirit” or “the Holy Spirit”, but is f.x. in 16/2 given another translation (“inspiration”). A number of Muslims wants it to be another name for the angel Gabriel (simply because it was he who was said to bring down the surahs to Muhammad, and it is said a couple of places that the “ruh” – the Spirit or Holy Spirit – brought down such ones, “ergo” the Holy Spirit = the angel Gabriel). But the logic is not correct – by means of the rules of logical deductions it is possible only to say they may be the same. And here is another piece of information which makes that deduction unlikely or impossible: The “ruh” – the Holy Spirit” - is not included among the angels. Neither is it the other places – which makes it highly unlikely logically that the Holy Spirit is an angel - the angel Gabriel. (In the Bible it is clear they are not the same).

025 70/4b: "- - - the Spirit ("ruh") - - -". May be a reference to the Holy Spirit of the Bible.

026 78/38b: "That Day shall the Spirit and the angels stand forth - - -". It is unclear what the Spirit her is. You will find it translated as the souls (of the people), but more common it to believe it is the Holy Spirit from the Bible (it is mentioned a very few times in the Quran). Some go one step further and say that it must be the angel Gabriel, as he is the Holy Spirit. This is a claim - as always from Islam not proved - you often meet from Muslims, at least from lower educated ones, ####even though it is not from the Quran. Our short comment is that no-one who really has read the Bible, would ever get such an idea - not unless he had decided if before he started reading and skipped reading what did not fit his idea. How could f.x. an angel split (parts of) himself in 12 at Pentecost (Acts 2/3-4)? A spirit can split itself, but not an angel.

##########Besides this verse kills the claim that Gabriel was another name for the Holy Spirit. Gabriel was an angel according to both the Bible and to the Quran. Here the Quran says "the Spirit and the angels" = the spirit is not an angel. Thus according to the Quran and this verse, Gabriel cannot be the Holy Spirit.

027 78/38c: (YA5911): "Some(!*) Commentators understand by 'the Spirit' the angel Gabriel, as he is charged specially with bringing Messages to human prophets". An interesting piece of information, as this is neither from the Quran nor from the Bible, and arch angel Gabriel also hardly is mentioned as a messenger boy in connection to Biblical prophets. (But the claim of course makes Muhammad look like a prophet at this point as he claimed he god his messages via Gabriel.) Also see 78/38b just above.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

##028 97/4c: "- - - the Spirit (Arab "ruh"*) - - -". Chronologically this is the first time the word "ruh" is used in the Quran - and it is one of the many words in the Quran with unclear meaning: See 97/4d and 97/4e below.

039 97/4d: (A16/2 (and A97/4)): "The term "ruh" (lit. "spirit", "soul" or "breath of life") is often used in the Quran in the sense of "inspiration" - and, more particularly, "divine inspiration" - - -". Well, this is one - or actually 4-5 - possible meaning(s). But also see 97/4e just below.

030 97/4e: (YA6219): "The Spirit: Usually understood to be the angel Gabriel, the Spirit of Inspiration". Quite another meaning than the one(s) in 97/4b above.

And in addition: No-one who has ever read the Bible with an open mind, has ever got the idea the Spirit (= the Holy Spirit) was another name for the arch angel Gabriel - to find such a meaning in the Bible, you have to have strong and fixes ideas before you start reading. For one thing it is clear from all contexts that the Holy Spirit is something different from everything else and something special. For another the functions are different - how could f.x. an angel split himself in 12 at Pentecost - or be part of many disciples (the helper Jesus promised them before he left them). And not least: It is very clear that the Bible knows the difference between angles and spirits - there never is a mix-up of those two (also hardly in the Quran - but Muslim scholars have found a "good" idea anyhow, even though it is neither in the Bible, nor in the Quran). #####The Holy Spirit = Gabriel is not found neither in the Bible nor in the Quran - and is anti-thesis to the contexts and the texts in the Bible. For good measure see 94/4f just below.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

#####031 97/4f: "Therein came down the angels and the Spirit - - -". The (Holy*) Spirit - here like in the Bible - is not an angel, and thus has to be mentioned separately. A verification in the Quran for that the Holy Spirit is not the angel Gabriel. Remember here that it also nowhere in the Quran is said or indicated that the Holy Spirit = Gabriel - this never documented claim is a later invention made by Muslims, and only based on the fact that the Quran tells Gabriel brought Muhammad messages, but also that the Holy Spirit a few times did so - - - which according to Muslims/Islam "must" mean the Holy Spirit = Gabriel. This deduction is far outside all rules for logically correct deductions.

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114.   HOOPOE

A bird able to speak to King Solomon, and able to give coherent reports also about things he had not been ordered to do. And also able to understand orders to leave home and bring a letter to a specific person (pigeons without exception have to be brought somewhere, where the sender of a letter ties the letter to the pigeon. The pigeon then flies back home to its nest, where its owner takes the letter from the pigeon.)

The hoopoe is a very colorful bird with strong voice, some 12 inches/30 cm long - and the national bird of Israel!

Pure anthropomorphism.

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001 27/24b: “I (the hoopoe - anthropomorphism*) found her (the queen of Saba/Sheba*) worshipping the sun - - -“. Saba was at the southern end of the Arabian Peninsula – approximately Yemen today. In the old times this whole peninsula had a moon religion, not a sun religion – al-Lah or sometimes Allah (whom Muhammad later dressed up) originally was a moon god (the same was Hubal, but over time Il/al-Ilah/al-Lah/Allah took his place). It is documented that also in old Saba the main god was the moon god (source; “The Lunar Passion and the Daughters of Allah”). We may add that Muslims say that even if the moon religion was the dominant, there also may have been sun worshippers. That is true, but not for the ruler of the country – the ruler has to be very strong or be a member of the official and main religion, if not there will be problems.

Besides she – the queen – could not "worship the sun besides Allah", because that name was not created yet. Perhaps the moon god al-Lah (later as mentioned renamed by Muhammad to Allah) or the old El. Also see 25/18a above. But Muhammad had a tendency to claim that others had different gods "in addition to Allah". Partly because by a little twisting of the facts this could be said about Arabs - they believed in al-Lat, a name sounding nearly like Allah, even if al-Lah was a pagan, polytheistic god, and partly perhaps because it made Allah look bigger and universal.

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115.   HOURIS - SEX SLAVES IN THE QURAN'S PARADISE

The "institution" of houris (Arab for "virgin") - sex slaves in Paradise - Muhammad borrowed from Zoroastrians - the old pagan religion of the old Persia. There they were named paaris.

Like always the Quran and Islam was and is totally uninterested in how it was/is to be sex slaves for primitive roughians and uneducated primitives, and others. Till now we have seen not one word about such thoughts or any kind of expression for empathy for these young women - and neither for the young male servants in Paradise. The only point for the Quran, for Muhammad, and for Islam was and is how nice life in Paradise will be for "good" Muslims - - - if the Quran tells the truth.

Muslim religious literature states that each Muslim man who is accepted to Paradise gets 72 houris and perpetual erection. And that after having sex, the houris regrow their hymen and at least technically become virgins again.

Some paradise!!

Muslim women in Paradise are permitted only one man.

The Muslim Paradise is quite like the Zoroastrian one (Zoroastrians mainly lived in Persia, one of the big trading partners for Arabia. The Arabs knew that religion – hardly as well as the Mosaic or the Christian religions, but at least superficially.) The houris there were named paaris. Also see 19/71. (Also the Jewish and Christian - and the Muslim one - Hell may have got some inspiration from the Zoroastrian one.)

The Quran's claims about its Paradise tell a lot about Islam. And about what Muhammad meant Muslim men dreamt about. #######It also tells a lot about Muslim men who become suicide killers because of dreams like this.

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001 2/25i: "- - - companions pure - - -". These are the famous houris - the beautiful and willing women whom nobody knows where come from. How is Paradise for them? - having to serve and be sex toys for uneducated, self centered, rough and worse warriors for eternity? (The Quran does not mention sex, but it is clearly implicated, and be sure that was what eager young - and not young - primitive warriors were dreaming about during lonesome nights on raids for money and slaves. (Most of Muhammad's many raids were for money and slaves - and extortion afterwards. See separate list about his raids and wars.)) The Quran never mention one word about how they - or the male servants - enjoy life in Paradise. The Quran and Islam do not give a damn about such others, only the good Muslims - and mainly the warriors - from Earth. (This part of Muhammad's Para Persian pagan religion.)

##002 2/25j: What the Muslim Paradise has to offer, is an Earth-like life, but like a primitive and poor man's picture of a royal life with plenty of good things to eat and drink (but never needing to visit the toilet according to Hadiths!), laziness, nice weather, and plenty of women for the men - not a stimulating or interesting "life" in the long run. Is this the best Paradise an omniscient god has to offer?

003 3/15g: “(In Paradise Muslim men*) find their eternal home; with Companions pure (+ their wives if these qualify for Paradise*), and the good pleasure of Allah.” Does this sentence tell something about how women are valued and looked upon in Islam? Also see 3/14 just above.

#04 3/15i: "- - - Companions pure (and holy) - - -". The famous houris. There is not a word anywhere in the Quran about how they enjoy being "companions" to rough and uneducated self-centered warriors. Such questions were of no interest to Muhammad and to his Muslims. Empathy hardly exists in the Quran. The same goes for the moral behind f.x. rape and forcing women - and girl children at least down to 9 years old - to sex.

###005 3/15j: "- - - Companions pure (and holy) - - -". This is one of the really strong differences to the Bible - f.x. see Matt. 22/30: The Biblical Paradise is totally different. Yahweh and Allah the same god with so different Paradises? Guess 5 times!

The idea about the houris the maker of the Quran has "borrowed" from religions further east - and the same for the handsome serving youths (nearly nothing in the Quran is original thinking or ideas, more or less everything is "borrowed" from others, mainly in what we today call the Middle East - most of the sources are known). Would a god need to pinch ideas from here and there in and around Arabia on the primitive Earth to construct his religion and his Paradise?

###006 3/15k: "- - - Companions pure (and holy) - - -". This also contradicts NT in another way: It is nowhere in the Quran directly said the houris were for sex, but that is the clear underlying message (besides in the Quran woman mainly are for 3 things: Housework, childbearing and sex - and in Paradise there is no housework or childbearing, so only sex is left). In the NT polygamy and concubinage is not accepted. The same god and basically the same religion? The only possible answer is no - such a strong no, that it is one of the proofs for that this claim from Muhammad is not true. Actually as polygamy, concubinage and permission to rape captured or slave women and girl children is so strong in the Quran, this point alone is enough to singlehanded prove that Muhammad's claim is wrong. And then there are all the other proofs in addition.

007 4/57f: “- - - therein (Paradise*) shall they (deserving Muslim men*) have companions pure and holy (houris - sex slaves in Paradise*) - - -.” Houris are a bit special kind of women, but the “fact” that they are given to the men arriving in Paradise as repayment for good (?) deeds, tells kilometers about Islam’s view on women, about the Quran's moral code and about the Muslim Paradise.

008 4/57g: “- - - therein (Paradise*) shall they (deserving Muslim men*) have companions (houris - sex slaves in Paradise*) pure and holy - - -.” Very different from the Bible's Paradise to use an understatement (f.x. Luke 20/36 - "they are like angels") - very different. The same god? You bet! Actually this - the concubines in Paradise - is one of the points where the difference between the Bible and the Quran is so big and so fundamental, that it singlehanded roves that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs in addition.

009 4/57h: "- - - companions pure and holy - - -". The famous houris - the virgin concubines in the Quran's paradise. See 4/57e just above. There never is mentioned how these women likes to be sex-toys for rough and primitive and uneducated selfish warriors. It also is remarkable that it mainly is these women which are mentioned in the Quran, not the wives of the men. This tells something sinister about Islam and about women in Islam. There are light-years between this and the Bible's paradise. Simply not the same god.

####010 4/57j: This is what the Muslim paradise has to offer: Good food and drink (and never to the toilet), lots of women (a small share of their husband for women - if they are able to compete with the houris), peace and quiet, nice shades and enough water, nice clothes and riches. You must be primitive, uneducated, poor, and from a hot desert to be able to think about this as the ultimate Paradise. F.x. exceedingly boring in the long run. Very different from the Bible's "You become like angels" (f.x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). The very different paradises is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

011 11/108e: (A11/134 – in 2008 edition A11/135): (Good Muslims will stay in heaven forever), “except as thy Lord (Allah*) willeth - - -.” Exactly nobody knows or understands what this means - the last part of the sentence is explained nowhere in the Quran. The same words are used about Hell in 11/107b (and similar in 6/128c, 11/107b, 43/74b-c, 78/23, plus some Hadiths), and some Muslim thinkers say it may mean that perhaps Hell will not last forever - at least not for all its inmates. Can Heaven come to an end? Can it change? Can it become ever better? Or what? Islamic scholars are bound by duty and indoctrination – and by lack of training in critical thinking - to be optimists, and promises that nothing will happen “unless Allah wills to bestow on them a yet greater reward (which will not take much – the Muslim heaven mainly is materialism and sex, and for women only materialism mostly because of all the houris who compete with them*) (Razi). But not one single soul has ever been able to do anything but guessing and hoping when it comes to this sentence. And as said before these variants also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has/have more than one meaning – or here: No clear meaning.

012 16/97g: "- - - a life that is good and pure - - -". The life in paradise - but is life in the Quran's paradise really a good life? - or at least: Is it a good life for all? See 10/9f and you will find a life which is boring for very many, questionable for the male servants, even more so for houris who have to be sex toys for not always civilized men, and how good or bad for human women - "disappearing" among all the houris?

013 22/58i: "- - - truly Allah is He Who bestows the best Provision". If Yahweh's paradise is correct described in the Bible (one becomes like the angels (f.x. Mark 12/25)), and if Allah's paradise is correctly described in the Quran (a primitive desert dwellers vision of a king's luxury life in laziness + lots of women), both are true, we by far prefer the first one. A royal life and nothing to do would be nice for some time, but exceedingly boring in the long run. Not to mention how it is for women, where 72 or more women and houris have to share one man according to Hadiths.

#014 37/22c: "The wrongdoers (in the Quran this word does not primarily mean criminals or other bad persons, but non-Muslims*) and their wives - - -". One of many sub-conscious revealing in the Quran of its view of women: They are not individuals, but parts of a man's household. Note that nothing is said about the wives themselves being "wrongdoers" - the only criterion is that they are the wives of wrongdoers. Fair deal from a benevolent god? Also note how little is said about their life in Heaven and what a position they get below the men and just mentioned here and there compared to the glorification of the houris - their superior competitors for their husbands or harem owner's goodwill and bed. (It is not said directly in the Quran that Paradise is lots of sex - in addition to the other Earth-like pleasures - but just you guess what primitive, uneducated warriors were believing and dreaming about when being told about the beautiful and willing houris!)

015 37/48a: “And beside them (Muslims*) will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes (of wonder and beauty)”. The famed houris – for free use. And what use did primitive – and for that case some other – men think of? Hardly of polite and intellectual conversation.

There is no place in the Quran mentioned one single thought about how Paradise is for the houris. The Quran seldom cares about the life and feelings of others than the main persons – the male Muslim, preferably a warrior. Houris, slave woman, slaves, servants, and others - even to a large degree the free(?) Muslim women: Just things for the brave warrior to use and to serve him. Things.

Also remember that the deep differences between the reasons for joy in Yahweh's Paradise compared to in Allah's Paradise, are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

016 37/48b: “And besides them (Muslim men in Paradise*) will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes (of wonder and beauty).” These are the famous houris that are to comfort Muslim men in Paradise. And what comfort did primitive – and for that case some other – men think of? The women are solely for man’s pleasure in Paradise, too, (well, on Earth they also are for giving him sons). Nothing is said in the Quran about where the houris come from, nothing is said about how they like to be in the harems of often rough, uneducated and primitive – and naïve? – warriors - - - and also nothing is said about how the wives enjoy the competition. Only what the man likes counts.

There as mentioned is another mystery: From where did the houris come? – and what were they. A theory that the early Muslims – f.x. Hasan al-Basri - believed, is that they were women who had lived a pious and good life on Earth. Of necessity they could not have been married (or married to men that ended in Hell?), because married women followed their husbands – it is not said which one if they had been married more times, but perhaps the last one). But how many such single women existed compared to the millions of warriors that had a right to 72 each? And how did such women like to be sex slaves for often rough and self centered and primitive men – was it a Paradise for them too, or - - -? Another theory was/is that they were girls that died as babies or unmarried children - but then they in case should belong to their father's household in Paradise. And the same question: How many children died compared to how many houris needed as gifts to warrior and terrorist? And did they deserve to become sex slaves in their next life? - quite a Paradise for them!?

##017 37/48c: “And besides them (Muslim men in Paradise*) will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes (of wonder and beauty).” This is one of the 200% sure proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same gods: Their paradises are universes (see 51/47c) apart - mentally and morally. Allah: Beautiful, obedient women, good food and drinks, shade and plenty of water, and laziness, etc. (little is said about women's paradise). Yahweh: You become like angels (f.x. Mark 12/25).

018 38/52a: “And beside them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, (companions) of equal age.” Once more the houris. There is said nothing about how many for each man in the Quran, but in the Hadith it is mentioned 72 for a brave warrior. There also is said nothing about how the warrior’s wife or wives felt having to share the husband with many “chaste” women, very likely more beautiful and attractive than themselves. But then: The Quran only bothers about the main person/man in the story – the man and potential or actual warrior.

Secondary persons are to be things for the prime male in the story to use – and who cares about their lives or feelings or happiness?

A primitive and inhuman teaching at this point – but excellent for primitive warriors – even today. Also see 38/50-51 just above.

019 44/51-55: Paradise rather like 7/92 above + houris.

020 38/52a: “And beside them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, (companions) of equal age.” Once more the houris. There is said nothing about how many for each man in the Quran, but in the Hadith it is mentioned 72 for a brave warrior. There also is said nothing about how the warrior’s wife or wives felt having to share the husband with many “chaste” women, very likely more beautiful and attractive than themselves. But then: The Quran only bothers about the main person/man in the story – the man and potential or actual warrior.

Secondary persons are to be things for the prime male in the story to use – and who cares about their lives or feelings or happiness?

A primitive and inhuman teaching at this point – but excellent for primitive warriors – even today. Also see 38/50-51 just above.

021 38/52b: “And beside them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, (companions) of equal age.” In the Bible the resurrected are above such things as sex, which here is the clear indication "they will neither marry, nor be given in marriage" but "are like angels" (f.x. Luke 20/35-36). One of the 100+% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

022 44/54: “- - - and We (Allah*) shall join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes.” Houris are a bit special kind of women, but the “fact” that they are given to the men arriving in Paradise as repayment for good (?) deeds, tells kilometers about Islam’s view on women (and on men) - and remember that the Quran's moral code, etc. is forever. Also see 37/48 above.

###023 44/54a: “- - - and We (Allah*) shall join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes.” Women as payment for "good deeds" like stealing, suppressing, torturing, killing. Some moral code and some view on women - slaves/things to use for gifts or payment. Not in the Bible. One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - their Paradises are utterly different. If they had been the same god, their Paradise had been one and the same. See f.x. Luke 20/36, not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17).

024 44/54b: "- - - Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes". The famous houris. Their existence in the Paradise is contradicted in the Bible - or at least never mentioned, and the bad Jews and Christians and the reliable - also according to the Quran - Jesus and all the other Biblical prophets, had not forgotten such a juicy temptation. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

The ideas of houris to "serve" good Muslim men, Muhammad borrowed from the pagan Persia. It is one of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradise had been one and the same. Implicit it also proves that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion.

025 47/15a: “(Here is) a parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers of wine (this surah is from 622 AD – around the flight to Medina) a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits - - -.” Yes, like in Utopia or another earthly paradise dreamed up by the poor people in an arid land – or by someone else making up dreams for them. A materialistic paradise, but here at least with added grace from Allah. And in Paradise Muslims seems to be permitted to drink wine – “a joy”.

But so different from Yahweh's Paradise that it is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradise had been one and the same. And an as strong proof for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion - especially if you add Allah's(?) houris.

026 52/17-24: A description of life in Muhammad's Paradise: Good food, good drinks, lazy life, houris/lots of sex (for men), your children around you (how is that possible as there will be a hundred generations?), luxury, servants, etc., etc., like a royal life in the dreams of poor, naive, and primitive warriors - - - and universes (see 51/47c) away from Yahweh's Paradise, where you "will become like the angels (Mark 12/25). Yahweh and Allah the same god? - no chance!! One of the at least 200% proofs.

Also: Never a word about how it is to be servant or sex slave in Paradise. The only person which counts, is the Muslim male. ####72 sex slaves + an unspecified number of male servants leading a miserable life for each Muslim male in Paradise.

027 52/19-20: (To them (Muslims in Paradise*) will be said) ’Eat and drink ye, with profit and health, because of your (good) deeds.’ They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions (the famous houris*), with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.” What more can a poor, virile young – or old – uneducated and uncultivated and uncultured man from the desert dream about? Also see 10/9f and 52/17-24 above.

But it has no relationship to Yahweh's and Jesus' Paradise, where you become like the angels (f.x. Matt. 20/35-36) - a lot more tempting in the long run than Muhammad's Paradise a la a king's dreamt up life included a harem and servants (= a paradise for you, but not for the sex slaves or for the servants). Not the same Paradise = not the same god = also not the same religion.

##028 52/20b: “- - - and We (Allah*) shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.” The famous houris. Like 37/48 and 42/25 above – see them. The introduction of houris by Muhammad into Islam seems to come from old Persian pagan religion.

One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - their paradises are too different. And the fact that Jesus prohibited polygamy in any form - and also rape (sex where the woman/houris has no choice) - is one of the really strong proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion, not to mention the same line of prophets.

029 55/48-60: Something like 47/15a-h + the houris.

030 55/56a: "In them (the gardens of Paradise*) will be (Maidens), restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before has touched". A nice Paradise for primitive men - and women does not count much in the Quran - but totally different from Yahweh's Paradise - only this verse alone proves so formidable difference to Yahweh (see f. x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). that this alone proves Yahweh and Allah cannot be the same god - and then there are all the other differences in addition.

031 55/56b: “In them (the Gardens of Paradise*) will be fair (Companions (houris*)), good, beautiful - - -.” Houris are a bit special kind of women, but the “fact” that they are given to the men arriving in Paradise as repayment for good (?) deeds, tells miles about Islam’s view of women. The servile nature of the houris – the ideal women – in the descriptions, also tells volumes about Islam’s point of view on how women shall behave.

There is no explanation in Islam from where the houris come - they simply are there. But the idea about houris as reward in paradise for warriors, it seems Muhammad has "borrowed" from the old Persian pagan religion - see 55/56e below (nearly everything in Islam is borrowed from somewhere, and strangely(?) enough only from in and around Arabia - Allah had few, if any new ideas or ideas from other parts of Earth for his religion).

034 55/56c: "- - - (Maidens), chaste - - - whom no man or Jinn before them (the Muslims in Paradise*) has touched - - -". The houris are virgins at arrival, but hardly for a long time.

Compare this to f.x. Matt.22/30: "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven". 200+% sure that Yahweh and Allah do not run the same paradise, and thus are not the same god. And as these are the words of Jesus: As sure that Jesus and Muhammad do not belong in the same moral world neither in this nor in a possible next life. A lot of things in this world are not true even if they are repeated often - f.x. that Jesus and Muhammad belong to the same line of prophets (in addition to that Muhammad was no real prophet - he had not the gift of prophesying).

##033 55/56e: The Muslim Paradise is quite like the Zoroastrian one (Zoroastrians mainly lived in Persia, one of the big trading partners for Arabia. The Arabs knew that religion – hardly as well as the Mosaic or the Christian religions, but at least superficially.) The houris there were named paaris. Also see 19/71 above. (Also the Jewish and Christian - and the Muslim one - Hell may have got some inspiration from the Zoroastrian one.)

034 55/62a: “And besides these two (see 55/46a+b+c*), there are two other Gardens - - -”. Paradise for normal humans is split in at least 4 gardens (perhaps more according to Hadiths), and there they are different according how good a Muslim and how fierce a warrior you have been in this life – the more according to Muhammad’s ideals you have lived and fought, the better garden you will end up in. But all the 4 or more gardens are paradises with two springs each, plenty of fruits, rich carpets for resting on and plenty of women/houris “- - -(Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them (the Muslims*) has touched (= virgins*) - - -”. Royal earthly standard of living and virgins for free use at your convenience.

The difference in the “geographical” description seems to be that the best gardens have even more plentiful water, and they are dark green from the abundance of water – really a paradise for poor and primitive desert dwellers. It does not take much to make a perfect paradise for naïve and primitive people.

VERY different from the Bible's and Yahweh's Paradise.

It still is said little about how Paradise is for children and women, included the houris and the male servants.

(We may add that according to Hadiths the Nile and the Euphrates starts in the Gardens of Paradise. Unbelievable? Yes, but it is a fact that Hadiths say so).

035 55/70: "In them (the gardens*) will be fair (Companions), good, beautiful - - -". These are the famous houris. There is nowhere - absolutely nowhere - in the Quran said anything about how the men's wives like these beautiful virgins as playmates for their husbands. And also absolutely nowhere how the houris like to be sex toys for - often - rough, primitive warriors. Such details seem to interest neither Allah nor Muhammad. Also see 55/56a-c above.

036 55/74: "(Houris*) Whom no man or Jinn before them has touched." In the Quran it is not directly said that the houris are for sex. But what do you believe young - and not young - primitive warriors thought about when they were told details like this? Also see 55/56a-c and 55/70 above.

037 56/15-16: “(They (the pious Muslims*) will be) on Thrones encrusted (with gold and precious stones), reclining on them, facing each other”. This means long double rows of thrones – millions or perhaps a few billions of thrones in double rows facing each other. More, if also the women and children and all the houris shall recline on thrones. Also there has to be some space between the rows, as there have to be places for resting on carpets as mentioned in other verses, and for the fruit trees and the water.

But endless double rows of thrones does not sound like our idea of a perfect paradise, no matter how many houris for free use and good food and drinks, as the nearly only pastime is some polite and not intellectually demanding conversation - the only alternative mentioned. See also quote 56/25-26 below.

Very different from the Bible's Paradise. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

038 56/15-23: A description of Allah's Paradise. Does anyone see any difference between this and a poor, naive, uneducated warrior's dream of a royal life included a suitable harem, and this? Very - VERY - different from Yahweh's Paradise in the Bible, where you "become like the angels" (f. x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). Another point: In Yahweh's Paradise there are no houris and even no married couples any more - no sex. And being like an angel, you need no food - a sharp contrast to Muhammad's description of delicious things to eat and drink. Yahweh the same god as Allah? You are free to believe it if you are logically blind. If they had been, their paradises had been similar.

039 56/17: “Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual freshness - - -.” Again these mysterious servants. The Quran is totally disinterested in them and tells nothing about them except that they look attractive – the only person of interest is the Muslim adult man – strangely the same one who can be warriors for Muhammad and his successors. Others do not count much. But there is a hidden fact here: Homosexuality is strongly frown at in Islam, but all the same silently accepted in some areas. The description of these youths, makes one wonder.

And: What are they - the servants and the houris? Where do they come from? How is Paradise for them? (Some Muslim scholars speculate about the possibility that they may be humans who died as babies or children - but their parents are promised to have their children as part of Paradise, and then they cannot be servants or sex doll for others.) Yahweh the same god as Allah? If they had been, their paradises had been similar.

040 56/22: “And (there will be) Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes - - -.” The Houris again - like 37/48a-c above – see that or 55/56c. There are no houris in the Bible's Paradise. Yahweh and Allah the same god? - no, not even if there is heavy schizophrenic, as schizophrenia cannot explain so highly different Paradises. One of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

041 56/23: "Like unto Pearls well-guarded". The houris are beautiful like valuable pearls. You find them - paaris - in the Zoroastrian religion, but not in the Bible.

As you see Muhammad "borrowed" good(?) ideas from where he found them. This is not the only "good" idea - at least a good idea for tempting primitive tribe warriors - from this old Persian pagan religion.

###042 56/24: “(The houris are*) A reward for the Deeds of their past (life).” How do women like to simply be a reward to some previously unknown – and often uncultivated – man? – and to be his sex slave or sex doll for eternity? A Paradise? This kind of sex-trade in the name of the god, gives us a sick and distasteful feeling. Paradise like a luxury brothel? What is for sure is that this claimed paradise is not even a distant relative of the one in the NT. The same god? Do not be ridiculous - a 200% proof.

The "institution" of houris - sex slaves - Muhammad borrowed from the old pagan Zoroastrians - the religion of the old Persia. There they were named paaris.

043 56/35: “We (Allah*) have created (their Companions (houris*)) of special creation". This may be the reason why nobody knows from where they come. It is a mystery in Islam. (But the idea came from Persia.)

The houris simply were sex slaves and courtesans, an idea extremely far from the Bible's, Yahweh's, and Jesus' Paradise. A very strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

044 56/35-37a: “We (Allah*) have created (their Companions (houris*)) of special creation. And made them virgin-pure (and undefiled) – beloved (by nature), equal in age (for good Muslim men in Paradise*) - - -.” Houris are a bit special kind of women, but the “fact” that they are given to the men arriving in Paradise as repayment for good (?) deeds, tells miles and square miles about Islam’s view of women. The servile nature of the houris – the ideal women – in the descriptions, also tells volumes about Islam’s point of view on how women shall behave.

The houris simply were sex slaves and courtesans, an idea extremely far from the Bible's, Yahweh's, and Jesus' Paradise. A very strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

045 56/35-37b: “We (Allah*) have created (their (Muslims*) Companions) of special creation. And made them (houris*) virgin-pure (and undefiled) – Beloved (by nature), equal in age - - -”. The wives and slave girls from this world are not even mentioned. But the strange sentence “equal in age” reappears – why, if all are resurrected like young men/women?

046 56/35-37c: “We (Allah*) have created (their (Muslims*) Companions) of special creation. And made them (houris*) virgin-pure (and undefiled) – Beloved (by nature), equal in age - - -”. Try to find anything - anything - even remotely like this, or other hints of sex, not to mention abundance of sex, in the Bible's Paradise. Just go on and see what you find. Yahweh and Allah the same god with so bottomless different Paradises? - or Jesus and Muhammad in the same religion? No answer is necessary - the reality is too obvious. And to try to explain away the differences by claims about falsification of the Bible, is centuries too late - both science and Islam have thoroughly proved that there are not falsifications in the Bible (by being unable to find one single proved case in tens of thousands of relevant manuscripts, and by being unable even to give a credible explanation of how it should be physically possible to make identical falsifications in so many old papers spread over such wide areas - and without even leaving traces possible for modern science to detect). Another absolute proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

047 56/36: "And made them (the houris*) virgin-pure (and undefiled) - - -". This is information which is totally irrelevant if you do not intend to hint about sex - and you can bet a continent on that sex was on the mind of the Muslim warriors when being told things like this.

048 68/34e: "- - - (in Paradise Muslims are*) in the Presence of their Lord (Allah)". This is the only pleasure in Muhammad's Paradise which is not a bodily one - perhaps in addition to peace and quiet and the closeness of the family. Everything else is for the body: Good food, good things to drink, good clothes, good houses, pleasant weather, sex, sex, sex, etc. Oh, there may be a little vainglory, too: Sitting on glorious thrones in long rows - miles and miles and miles of them (but some of the royal superiority complex gets bleached when everybody else - by the millions - are kings, too, all without underlings, except their wives and houris (and the women do not even have such underlings - but so what, as Islam is a men's and warriors' religion?

And as for presence to Allah: If normally good Muslims ends up in the lower heaven out of 7, and Hadiths tells there are may be 100 years travel between each heaven, the "presence" is not very close - yes, not even Muhammad and the 7th heaven are very close.

049 76/19a: "And around them (good Muslims in Paradise*) will (serve) youths - - -". This is one more case of the Quran's total lack of empathy with any others than the main persons - mainly the adult Muslim male. In the entire Quran - and as far as we have read in all central Islamic literature - there is never used one single thought or one single word about how Paradise is for these youths - and neither how it is to be forced to be sex toys and concubines for all kinds of primitive warriors for the houris. And for that case also not a word about how it was to be victims from Muslim conquest or thieving raids or slave hunting (that is to say; we have been told that slaves under Muslims were so well treated, that if they were given freedom, they did not want to go home. Some tellers of tales have never been slaves themselves - and besides; how would a freed slave from f.x. Niger be able to reach home? - and was there any home and any family left to return to after slave raiders had razed the village?).

Also remember that the many and deep differences between Yahweh's Paradise and the one of Allah is one of the strong proofs for that the two are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradise had been one and the same one.

050 78/33: "Companions of Equal Age" - the famous houris. As mentioned, sex is not named in Paradise in the Quran, bur it all the same is a very essential part - - - for the men. In the entire Quran, in all the many Hadiths, in all Islamic literature, we have not seen one single word about how it feels for the houris to be sex toys for rough, uneducated, primitive warriors. And not one word about how it is for the wives to share their husbands with lots of likely much more beautiful women. Not one word.

Also you do not find the houris and sex in the Bible's and in Yahweh's paradise (the houris is an idea "borrowed" from the Persian religion). On the contrary: There you will be like the angels (Mark 12/25), and angels are not bent on sex. One more of the at least 200% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

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