Humans, Other Beings in/Relevant to the Quran, Part 12

 

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001 2/243a: (A232): “Didst thou not turn thy vision to those who abandoned their homes, though they were thousands (in number) for fear of death?” Where? Who? When? – a lot of questions and no answers, as this is the total of information the Quran gives, and there is no known connection – not even to a fairy tale. Clear information in the book? It is definitely not from the Bible. May the resurrection (see 7/158i below) indicate a fairy tale?

002 2/243b: "Allah said to them (nobody knows who - see 2/243a just above*): 'Die:' then He restored them to life". See 7/158i below.

003 2/259c: A man died for 100 years, and when he woke up nothing of his outfit, included food and a donkey, had changed. A good proof for the power of Allah, if it had been documented or in other ways proved Allah had done this - - - but words are very cheap, and it is nearly as cheap to invent or borrow a story somewhat similar to the story about "The 7 Sleepers". One more story Islam will have to prove to make us believe. (Also see 2/259a just above and 7/158i below.)

###004 3/7b: “He (Allah*) it is who has sent down to thee (Muhammad or Muslims*) the Book (the Quran*); in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they (all the verses which are to be understood literally*) are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts are perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking disorder, searching for hidden meanings, but no one knows the hidden meaning, except Allah.” But maybe this one is allegorical, too, because Islam and many a Muslim are hunting for the hidden meanings behind what they claim is an allegory as soon as there are errors and mistakes they cannot otherwise “explain” away. Is this because of “perversity” in their heart? – or perhaps because they do not have the brain, the guts and the backbone needed to meet the question: What does it mean that there are lots of mistakes and other wrongs in the Quran? – or: If all the mistakes and other wrongs in the Quran means that Islam is a made up religion like so many others – what then whit all us Muslims if there all the same is a Day of Doom? - - - and especially if there somewhere is a benevolent god whom Muslims have been prohibited from looking for?!

It is very clear here that the plain and obvious meaning in the texts mainly is the correct understanding. When you remember that Muhammad’s congregation mainly was uneducated and often naïve people, it is even easier to understand that this had to be the case.

Also see the chapter "Literal language in the Quran - according to the Quran" in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".

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More down to the Earth: Muslims often explains away mistakes, etc. in the Quran with the claim that what is written there is not what is meant - it is a parable or an allegory or something. A book where you have to guess what is literally meant and what are parables - and what the parables in case mean - definitely is not easy.

######That the Quran tells - directly or indirectly, but clearly - that the texts in the Quran are clear, explained by Allah, and to be understood literally, you find f.x. these places: 3/7b, 3/138a, 6/114ca, 11/1b, 15/1d, 17/12h, 18/1d-e, 18/2a, 19/97b, 20/113b+c, 24/34, 24/54j, 26/2a, 27/1b-d, 28/2, 36/69e, 37/117c, 39/28b, 41/3da, 43/2a, 43/3c, 44/29b, 44/2b-c, 44/13d, 44/58b, 54/17a, 54/22b, 54/32a+b, 54/40a, 65/11f, and 75/19 Worth remembering each time a Muslim or Islam tries to "explain" away errors, etc. by claiming the text means something different from what it says. In such cases either the Muslim/Islam lies when he/she claims the text means something different from what it says (the claim often is that it is a parable or something), or the Quran lies when it says that the book uses clear texts where nothing else is indicated.

The listed points are all collected here under 3/7b and 44/58b.

Or perhaps Allah is so clumsy and helpless when he explains things, that he needs help from humans to explain what "he really means"? (Nonsense to say the least about such claims lying under such "explanations".)

WHO CAN EXPLAIN SOMETHING BETTER AND MORE CORRECTLY AND COMPLETELY THAN AN OMNISCIENT GOD?

  1. Add to this that 3/7b tells that "those in whose heart is perversity follow the part thereof (of the Quran*) that is allegorical" and that "no one knows the hidden meaning (of the allegories*) except Allah".
  2. Add that 3/138a tells that the Quran "is a plain statement to men - - -". = in a language clear and easy to understand - not in a language where you have to guess where and how to guess the "real" meaning.
  3. #########Add that 6/114ca says:"- - - He (Allah*) it is Who hath sent unto you (Muslims*) the Book (the Quran*) explained in detail - - -". If Allah has explained everything in detail, who can then explain it better - or explain that the clumsy Allah meant something different from what he said? But that is one of Islam's and Muslims' standard "explanations" for "explaining" away errors and difficult points in the Quran: As what the text says is impossible, horrible, or something, Allah cannot have meant what he said, but must have told a parable, allegory, metaphor, or something, without indicating so, "but we intelligent humans can explain it better and tell you what Allah 'really' must have meant!!".
  4. Add that 11/1b tells that "- - - (the Quran is*) a Book with verses of basic or fundamental (of established (literal*) meaning), further explained in detail (by Allah*)". = the texts in the Quran are clear words of established (= literal) meaning from Allah.
  5. Add that 15/1d declares that it is "a Quran that makes things clear" - not one which hide basic and other facts or rules behind words of allegories, which are difficult to see if are allegories or plain speech, and on top of all a guesswork to extract the correct(?) meaning from.
  6. Add that 17/12h says: “- - - all things have We (Allah*) explained in detail”. There is no doubt that the Quran means everything is correctly explained = the texts in the book are to be understood literally.

  7. Add that 18/1d+e state that“(Allah*) hath allowed therein (in the Quran*) no Crookedness.” = The language is clear and literal without any tricks of hidden meanings.

  8. Add that 18/2a states that Allah has made it - the Quran and its language - "Straight (and Clear)".
  9. Add that 19/97b tells that "- - - We (Allah*) made the (Quran) easy - - -". = clear language - clear Arab - is used.
  10. Add that 20/113b+c tells that in the Quran is "explained therein in detail some of the warnings - - -". In detail = in a language clear and easy to understand - not in a language where you have to guess where and how to guess the "real" meaning. Islam in 20/113c explains that (YA2638): #####"The Quran is in clear Arabic, so that even an unlearned people like the Arabs might understand and profit by its warning".
  11. Add that 24/34b says the Quran is "verses making things clear". Especially for people like Muhammad's followers - little or no education - to make things clear needs a clear and literal and easy to understand language = in a language clear and easy to understand - not in a language where you have to guess where and how to guess the "real" meaning. AGAIN: THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT THE QURAN ITSELF STATES THAT ITS TEXTS ARE CLEAR AND LITERAL AND NOT TO BE MISUNDERSTOOD - THE TEXTS ARE TO BE UNDERSTOOD WORD BY WORD AND AS SAID: LITERALLY. ONE OF THE MANY VERSES TO REMEMBER WHEN MUSLIMS TRY TO EXPLAIN AWAY ERRORS AND PROBLEMS BY CLAIMING THAT THE MEANING IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE TEXTS REALLY SAYS, BY CLAIMING THAT IT IS A METAPHOR, AN ALLEGORY, A PARABLE OR SOMETHING (ONE OF ISLAM'S AND MUSLIMS' STANDARD WAYS OF FLEEING FROM MISTAKES AND DIFFICULT POINTS).
  12. Add that 24/54j says: "- - - preach the clear (message)". It is very clear that the Quran means its message is clear and easy = to be understood literally. Only when the message has an obvious and easy to understand meaning, it is clear.

  13. Add that 26/2a says the same as 24/34b above.
  14. Add that 27/1b-d says the same as 24/34b above.
  15. Add that 28/2 confirms that "These are the verses of the Book that makes (things) clear" - no hiding of meanings, etc.
  16. Add that 36/69b clearly says that the book is "a Quran making things clear" = in a language clear and easy to understand - not in a language where you have to guess where and how to guess the "real" meaning.
  17. Add that 37/117c says that the Quran is "- - - the Book which helps to make things clear". Comment like 24/34 above.
  18. 18: Add that 39/28b says: “(It is) a Quran in Arabic, without any crookedness - - -”. This means that the texts should be understood just like they are written - no crookedness in the meaning. This is one of the points worth remembering each time Muslims or Islam tries to "explain" away errors, etc. by claiming the texts means something different from what it says.

  19. Add that 41/3da as clearly states that the Quran is "A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail (by Allah*) - - -". Is it then possible for humans to explain it better - or differently - from a god's explanation?
  20. Add that 43/2a declares that the Quran is "the Book that makes things clear - - -" = in a language clear and easy to understand - not in a language where you have to guess where and how to guess the "real" meaning. Which also must mean the language is not hiding other meanings and it is intended that everything shall be meant like it is said and thus easy to understand, plus it explains things in ways clear to see.
  21. Add that 43/3c tells: "We (Allah*) have made it a Quran in Arabic, that ye may be able to understand - - -". It is clear that Allah has done everything to make the Quran plain and easy to understand - he even made the Quran in the local language and in texts they would be able to understand. - not to mention when it is written in the local language to make it impossible not to understand exactly what was said and meant. And who can make a text easier to understand correctly than an omniscient god?
  22. Add that 44/2b-c declares: “By the Book (the Quran*) that makes things clear - - -.” Which also must mean the language is not hiding other meanings, and it is intended that everything shall be meant like it is said and easy to understand, plus it explains things in ways clear to see, if nothing else is clearly indicated.
  23. Add that 43/29b says: “- - - a Messenger (Muhammad*) making things clear.” Also Muhammad used clear speech.
  24. Add that 44/13d says: "- - - a Messenger (Muhammad*) explaining things clearly - - -". Also Muhammad explained things clearly - not by hidden meaning, difficult to see allegories, etc. And what normal human being could and can explain things more correctly than Muhammad? - especially if he just was quoting the words of an omniscient god?
  25. Add that 44/58b states that "Verily, We (Allah*) have made this (Quran) easy (and also in Arab*) - - -". = in a language clear and easy to understand - not in a language where you have to guess where and how to guess the "real" meaning.
  26. Add that 54/17a declares that "We (Allah*) have indeed made the Quran easy to understand - - -". To guess what is clear texts and what are not - and what the parables "really" means - definitely is not necessary (except a few places where the book tells that this is an (easily understood) parable, or explains the real meaning).

  27. Add that 54/22b says: “And We (Allah*) have indeed made the Quran easy to understand - - -.” Anyone wanting to try to “explain” away difficult points like mistakes or invalid logic or contradictions by calling them allegories, parables, etc. should read this sentence. It even is written 4 times just in chapter 54, and thus a solidly cemented and nailed truth: The Quran is to be understood literally - hidden meanings are only for Allah to understand, and such search only is for the ones “in whose hearts is perversity - - -.”
  28. Add that 54/32a+b tells: “And We (Allah*) have indeed made the Quran easy to understand - - -.” Anyone wanting to try to “explain” away difficult points like mistakes or invalid logic or contradictions by calling them allegories etc. should read this sentence (and there are at least 31 points in the Quran saying similar = the Quran really means that its texts are to be understood literally where nothing else is indicated). It even is written 4 times only in this chapter, and thus a solidly cemented and nailed truth: The Quran is to be understood literally - hidden meanings are only for Allah, and such search only is for the ones “in whose hearts is perversity - - -.”
  29. Add that 54/40 states: “And We (Allah*) have indeed made the Quran easy to understand - - -.” Comments like 54/17/a, 54/22b, and 54/32a+b above.
  30. Add that 65/11f says: “- - - the Signs of Allah (are*) containing clear explanations - - -”. No comments necessary. Except: What human can explain something more clearly and correctly than an omniscient god?
  31. Add that 75/19 tells that "- - - it is for Us (Allah*) to explain it (Islam*) (and make it clear) - - -". ##########Is it possible for humans to explain or make things more clear than a god is able to do in his claimed holy book, sent down directly from him according to the Quran?

Also see the chapter "Literal language in the Quran - according to the Quran" in "1000+ Comments on the Quran".

All this means that Muslims claiming that some texts in the book are not easy and clear and correctly explained by Allah (f.x. 6/114da, 41/3da, 75/19 - not to mention 3/7b), but are allegories, metaphors, parables, etc. (a standard Muslim way to "explain" away errors and difficult points) in the Quran, tell that the Quran and Muhammad are wrong or lying all these places, each time they claim that this and this is not clear speech, but hidden meanings/parables.

WHO CAN MAKE A TEXT MORE STRAIGHT AND CLEAR, AND WHO IS BETTER TO EXPLAIN CORRECTLY AND IN DETAIL, SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT HE MEANS, THAN AN OMNISCIENT GOD?

All the same one of the standard ways of "explaining away" errors and other bad points in the Quran, is to claim that Allah did not mean what he said, but something else - a parable, a metaphor, an allegory - and that the clever Muslims easily can help him and explain what he "really" meant. But this as said means that they indirectly, but clearly states that Muhammad lied in the Quran each time he said the texts there were easy and clear.

Should we thank them for confirming that Allah and Muhammad lie in the Quran?

AGAIN: "A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". Here it is ever so easy to prove that these are quotes from the Quran (Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation). And again there only is one possible conclusion to make: Either the claims that the texts in the Quran are easy and literal and explained in detail by Allah where nothing else is indicated, are wrong, or the many claims from Islam and Muslims claiming that the texts very many places do not mean what it say, but has a different and more or less hidden meaning (claims to "explain away" errors, contradictions, difficult points, etc.) are wrong.

Some other quotes about proofs and invalid or made up proofs:

  1. "Strong claims need strong proofs.
  2. "A claim without a proof maybe dismissed without a proof".
  3. "Claims are cheap, but only proofs are proofs".
  4. "The use of invalid proofs normally proves that something is fishy".
  5. "The cheat or deceiver naturally must rely on claims pretending to be facts or proofs".
  6. "A made up "proof" makes the man very suspect".
  7. "A strong belief is not a proof - not necessarily even a truth"
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  9. "Wrong claims and invalid "proofs" are working tools of the cheat".
  10. "A student with correct facts gets a more correct answer than 20 professors with wrong facts". (Invalid, "signs", claims, "proofs", etc. of course are wrong facts.)
  11. And we may add from Peer Gynt in his original language: "Naar utgangspunktet er som galest, blir resultatet tidt originalest" - freely translated: "When you conclude from wrong claims/wrong facts/invalid "proofs"/etc., you get wrong conclusions".

######Either the Muslims claiming that there are lots of places in the Quran where the texts mean something else than what it really is saying - claiming it is allegories, etc. - are lying, or Muhammad and Allah each time when stating that the quranic texts are easy and clear and literal where nothing else is clearly indicated, were lying in the Quran.

##Also see the other comments to 3/7 below.

####005 3/7e: “He (Allah*) Who has sent down to thee the Book (the Quran*): in it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning) (= to be read literally*); they (the verses to be read literally*) are the foundation of the Book (the Quran*): others are allegorical (there are a number of allegorical or similar verses in the Quran - they either are easy to see are allegorical, or the meaning is explained, or both*). But those in whose hearts is perversity (,*) follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking disorder, for its hidden meaning (= only bad persons seek the hidden meanings - also from the allegories*), but no one knows the hidden meanings except Allah (= the possibly hidden meanings are not for humans*)”.

In clear text: The Quran is to be read literary if nothing else is said or indicated - hidden meanings are for Allah, and trying to find hidden meanings are done by perverts. This is very essential for Muslims to remember when they are tempted to explain away mistakes and blunders as allegories with hidden meanings ever so often. There is no hidden meaning unless it is indicated this verse says, and only the bad humans looks for such hidden meanings.

The Quran and Islam for one thing claim that the clear and easy language is a proof for that the book is made by a god, and for another that the perfect language is a proof for the existence of Allah (no such proofs exist, so they try to find some). And not least that the book and its perfect language is to be understood literally if nothing else is indicated - that the language is "clear and easy" and that only those "in whose hearts are perversity" go looking for hidden meanings - hidden meanings "it only is for Allah to understand".

On this background: What does the mistakes, etc. and the unclear language prove?

Also see the chapter "Literal language in the Quran - according to the Quran" in "1000+ Comments on the Quran".

006 4/159a: (YA665): “And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him (the claimed Muslim prophet Jesus*) before his death - - -.” Wrong. If some of the People of the Book believe, they believe in Yahweh and if they are Christian also in the Christian Jesus, not in Allah. It is not the same god unless something is very wrong with the god. Islam will have to prove so in case. Also: Does “his death” refer to Jesus (as he did not die on the cross according to Islam, but perhaps will die and be resurrected in connection with the Day of Doom, according to Muslims scholars) or to the individual “Person of the Book”? Who knows? – the text is too unclear.

007 4/159b: (YA665): “And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him (the claimed Muslim prophet Jesus*) before his death - - -.” This seems to refer to a claim that in the moment of death the dying person discovers that Islam is the right religion. As normal for Islam the claim is never proved. This is not from the Bible - and definitely not from science. Believe it if you want - science has found nothing like this.

008 5/114d: “Send us (Jesus and the Disciples*) from heaven a Table set (with viands), - - -”. A made up story - there is no chance that such a miracle which clearly shows Jesus’ connection to Yahweh, would be omitted from the Bible. Not one single chance. Even if Muhammad had been right and Christians had falsified the NT, this is the kind of stories they had added, not omitted. Some Muslims say this may refer a little to “The Prayer of God” - "give us our daily bread" - in the Bible. Much more likely it is a contorted version of the last Easter supper.

The Quran tells nearly nothing about Jesus as a preacher or about his teachings. The main points for Muhammad were that Jesus was a good Muslim and that even though Jesus was a great prophet – and a real prophet according to both the Bible and to the Quran – he in reality was no match to the greatest: Muhammad. Muhammad claimed to be the greatest prophet - - - but never even proved that he was one.

009 15/68b: "These are my guests - - -". In many primitive societies the duty to defend your guests was and is strong, some places very strong. If this was such a society - which is quite likely - these words should have been enough to stop the local men.

010 15/91-92: (YA2013): “(So also on such) as have made the Quran into shreds (as they please). Therefore, by thy (Muhammad’s*) Lord (Allah*), We (Allah*) will, of surety call them to account.” This seems to be about the same culprits as mentioned just above – but many a Muslim scholar think the first part is about the Jews and the Christians (whom Islam claims uses bits and pieces of their holy book and have falsified or made up the rest), and the last part they think is about the pagans in Mecca. The answer is unclear - like so often in the Quran.

011 16/33b: "So did those who went before them". This refers to Muhammad's tales about former tribes who according to folklore, etc. had lived earlier in and around Arabia, and whom Muhammad claimed had been killed by Allah because of sins. A sinister warning.

####012 16/35e: YA here has an interesting comment (YA2057: "- - - the limited free will granted to man, which is the whole basis of Ethics". The Quran claims man has free will. As this obviously is wrong, as Allah predestines everything, some Muslims try to save the day by adjusting it to that the book and Allah in reality mean limited free will, something the Quran definitely nowhere says. The flat reality, though, is that if Allah decides and predestines everything, like the Quran states MANY places, there is nothing left for man to decide. Thus also "limited free will" is an impossibility. Worse: The fact that if Allah decides everything, there is nothing left for man to decide, is such a simple mathematics, that it is not possible YA and all other learned Muslims do not know it. x - x = 0. There exists no other possible answer. All the same they use this argument - and many simpleminded or uneducated or wishful believers believe it. You meet a little too much of this kind of dishonesty in Islamic literature.

But the really interesting point just here, is that YA clearly states the obvious: If man has no free will, all ethical questions concerning him disappears. What you are forced to do, tells nothing about your ethics. But on the other hand it tells a lot about the ethics of the one who forces you to do it. Not to mention what it tells about the ethics of the one forcing you, if he punishes you for bad things he has forced you to do. Allah predestines everything according to his Plan, according to the Quran. All the same Allah punishes you for the bad deeds he forced you to do to follow his Plan. What kind of god is this?!!

Thus Islam has two - or actually at least three - problems concerning predestination where the contradictions are so strong, that they are unsolvable even for an omniscient and omnipotent god:

  1. If Allah predestines everything like the Quran states most clearly many places, there is no room for free will of man, not even for "partly free will". x - x = 0 simply, and no other answer is possible. (Also full clairvoyance from Allah would be impossible - with free will man always could change his mind once more.) It also is symptomatic that we no place in Muslim literature have met an explanation for how "partly free will" should be possible. Like so much in Islam, it just is a claim hanging on nothing.
  2. If Allah predestines everything, and you thus just do what he has decided you shall do, how is it then ethically and morally possible to punish you for bad deeds? - and for that case reward you for good deeds? What kind of god is this?!
  3. #### And the third problem - one Muslims and Islam NEVER mention: If Allah predestines everything, and does so according to his unchangeable Plan like the Quran states many places - and decides it even years and decades before it is to happen (your death and whether you are to end in Hell or Heaven f.x. are decided 5 months before you are born according to Hadiths) - there is no value in prayers, as prayers like everything else can have no effect on his decisions made according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change.

These are the reasons why you meet Muslims claiming that Allah's predestinations are not real predestinations, without explaining what it then is - and in stark contradiction to many clear statements in the Quran. And why you meet Muslims claiming the impossible - and like so often in Islam without logical explanation for how it is possible - that man has free will or at least partly free will, in spite of the 100% predestination stated frequently in the Quran, "because the claim has to be true because Allah says so in the Quran".

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not, many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

*013 16/78b: “- - - He (Allah*) gave you hearing and sight and intelligence and affection - - -”. In that case Allah was an early riser - science has identified these traits hundreds of millions years ago - and a slow worker - as it took far more than 500 million years from early animals in the Ediacarian period some 600 million (635 - 542 million) years ago in late Pre-Cambric (or some 3,5 billion years or more if you recon from the very first traces of life) to produce human intelligence. But no one in Arabia in 630 AD had any chance to disclaim such a claim: Muhammad tells it - and a nice and reliable robber and rapist like him, of course spoke only the truth! (Sometimes Muslims tell you Muhammad was a man of his times - hard and brutal times - and no worse than other chieftains and war lords in Arabia. They may be right, but he definitely neither was any better - and he pretended (?) to represent a benevolent god. (It f.x. is impossible to compare him and Jesus - they are many worlds apart in teachings, ethics and morality - and not to mention in empathy)).

014 19/54d: "- - - a messenger (and) a prophet". In the Bible you hardly see this distinction, as the word "messenger" hardly is used as a title, but in the Quran and in Islam it of some essence. You meet Muslims telling you that a prophet only is a prophet, whereas a messenger is something much more - though no Muslim has ever been able to tell us what the superiority of being a messenger is. In normal language it is the other way around: A prophet is distinct title telling about a close connection to a god. Whereas a messenger only is someone who brings a message - something the messenger even may know nothing about or do not understand - from one place to another. One reason for this claim about the superiority of being a messenger, may be that Muhammad in reality was no prophet - he never in his entire life made a real prophesy, and a prophet unable to make prophesies is no real prophet. Muhammad knew this, and Islam knows it - and then messenger is a safer title than prophet (which many could question). Another fact is that Muhammad in reality was a doubtful character - just look at his claims and deeds and introduced rules, etc. - and they need to "enlarge" him to something even better than the old prophets, as the entire Islam rests only on this man's rather suspect words, moral and integrity. An imposing title kills some questions, so make the title imposing.

Also: In the Bible the original title was not "a prophet", but "a seer" - one who was able to see the unseen and thus make prophesies. F.x. Muhammad according to the Quran was unable to see/know this, and thus unable to make prophesies (f.x. 3/144, 6/50, 7/188, 10/20, 27/65, 46/9, 72/26, 81/24). This means that whenever Islam or Muslims claim Muhammad made prophesies, they indirectly, but clearly claims that the Quran is wrong on these points (there are similar points for that Muhammad was unable to make miracles - f.x. 3/144, 7/188, 10/49, 17/93, 72/21).

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###015 21/44b: "See they (non-Muslims*) not that We (Allah*) reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders?" ###### A small concession here, a special right there, a new mosque, a little sharia, a little teaching of discrimination against non-Muslims in a child school or a mosque - yes, small pieces from the outside and in. To be remembered when Muslims demand concessions - a little here and a little there.

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016 24/43: Here Muhammad takes 4 natural phenomena - clouds, rain, hail, lightning - and claims them for his god, as always without any proof or documentation - - - just like any believer in any religion does for his god(s) as long as he does not have to prove anything. Words are that cheap - also for Muhammad. Invalid and wrong unless Islam proves - proves - it is right. Also see 11/7a above.

017 25/18c: "- - - until they (former Muslims*) forgot the Message - - -". The Quran claims that the religion of Islam has been taught to all people during all times, but that it has been forgotten or falsified, and that Islam and Muhammad meant the resurrection of the one and universal religion. The claim is wrong - neither science nor Islam have ever found traces of a religion even remotely connected to or similar to Islam (except the two connected to the Bible, and in spite of Islamic claims those two - and especially Christianity - are fundamentally so different from the Quran on central points that they clearly never were like Islam. This even more so as the Islamic claim about falsified Bible also clearly is wrong, according to science and to Islam.) But never try to tell facts they do not like to strongly religious persons. They all the same believe only what they wish to believe, and bagatelles like facts or truth do not interest them at all.

018 25/63d: "- - - the ignorant - - -". Who is really the ignorant? - the one who knows nothing? - the one who knows enough to see that things may be seriously wrong? - or the one who is strong as iron in his belief in something which is wrong?

019 26/227c: "- - - and defend themselves only after unjustly attacked - - -". We do not think it is necessary to comment this in a world where all the 4 Islamic law schools for centuries judged that if an opponent was a non-Muslim society, that was reason enough to declare jihad (= holy war in self defense) - this law was never even questioned until around 1930 AD. A world where jihad can be declared "in the widest meaning of self defense" - which means in all and every case (at least we have never heard about a conflict where Muslims is the one part, where the word Jihad has not been mentioned). And a world where nearly all terrorists are Muslims.

020 27/11a: "- - - if any have done wrong and have thereafter substituted good to take the place of evil - - -". The Quran value the balance between good and evil deeds stronger than NT, where the goodness of and forgiving from the god is more central than in the Quran (even though also the Quran stresses forgiving, etc.)

021 27/37b: (A27/29): “Go back to them, and be sure we shall come to them (Saba/Sheba*) with such a host (army*) as they will never be able to meet: we shall expel them from there in disgrace, and they will feel humbled (indeed).” It is very clear from both the previous and the following verse that here it is Solomon speaking. But this is no logical answer to a peaceful embassy. The Quran also formally says that a war of attack is never permissible (though Muslims have found many ways around that formality.) So Muslim scholars have found it has another meaning: This is Allah warning the Sabeans to become Muslims – Solomon of course was a devout Muslim according to Islam and could not answer like this. In this case the second meaning clearly is made up – but it sounds real for Islam and its Muslims. And linguistically it is possible to twist the story like this. Also: "Let there be no compulsion in religion".

A historical fact destroying this "explanation": The Mosaic religion never was a proselyting one - Solomon never could have said this for a religious reason. Another historical fact: Solomon was a king of peace, not one of war - also for this reason it is highly unlikely he said this, and even more so as Sheba was a country far off.

And 3 scientific facts: 1): There never was found any trace from a book similar to the Quran anywhere before 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission. 2): There never was found any trace from a god similar to Muhammad's Allah anywhere older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his Mission. 3): There never was found any trace of a religion similar to Islam before 610 AD. Neither science nor Islam has been able to find anything - not in literature, not in history, not in archeology. The best proof for this is that if Islam had found even the smallest proof for Islam or Allah (Muhammad's version), or for the Quran older than 610 AD, they had told the world about it, and in BIG letters. Nobody has ever seen such letters. Another nearly as good proof is all the made up "proofs" Muslims and Islam are making. If they had had real proofs, they had not had to make up such hopeless claims (f.x. that Big Bang proves the creation in the Quran, etc., etc., etc.). The ones having to make up claims and "proofs" and twist facts, are the ones who have no real arguments to use.

022 27/60f: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) are a people who swerve from justice". Not if they happen to believe in a real god (if such one exists). And especially not if the Quran is a made up book - and it proves itself that it is not from any god, as no god would sully his name by being involved in a book where so much is wrong. Besides: Many nations have laws more just and with better moral and ethics than the sharia laws of Islam. (Some of the paragraphs in sharia are horrible).

#######023 27/62c: "Little is it that ye (non-Muslims*) heed". We heed the fact that if there is a god who has created us, his greatest gift except life, is our brain. He in case did not give us a good brain for other reasons than that we should use it. He hardly gave such a brain to us for that we should not use it in the most serious of all questions: Is there a next life and how to find the right god in case? He did not give us such a brain for that we just should switch it off and believe blindly in the one with the slickest tongue and/or strongest weapons - and especially not if their teaching was so full of mistakes, that it is not from any god.

And if there is no god, why then squander time and effort and misery for others on a religion so misanthropic (bad to humans) like Islam?

###024 27/64d: "Bring forth your (non-Muslims'*) arguments, if ye are telling the truth!" Muhammad claimed documentation from all others - ####which means proofs have value - but only brought forth loose words, claims, and statements himself.

###025 27/64d: "Bring forth your (non-Muslims'*) arguments, if ye are telling the truth!" Muhammad claimed documentation from all others - ####which means proofs have value - but only brought forth loose words, claims, and statements himself.

026 28/77c: "- - - Allah loves not those who do mischief". The behavior of Muslim warriors, assassins, terrorists and others through the times - is that mischief? If not: What kind of religion and what kind of god is this? And if it is: What then about Muslim warriors, assassins, terrorists and others through the times in the possible next life?

027 28/83a: "That Home of the Hereafter We (Allah*) shall give to those who intend not high-handedness nor mischief on earth - - -". The behavior of Muslim warriors, assassins, terrorists and others through the times - is that mischief? If not: What kind of religion and what kind of god is this? And if it mischief: What then about Muslim warriors, assassins, terrorists and others through the times, in the possible next life?

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82.  DISCIPLES OF JESUS

Jesus did choose 12 disciples to be his close co-workers. There were more co-workers, but when talking about his disciples or apostles, one normally means the 12. A special case outside the 12 is Paul. If the Bible is true about him, also he was specially chosen, but later.

The Quran/Mohammad claimed they all (and Jesus) were good Muslims, but it is a historical fact that there nowhere in the Roman Empire is reported even one single word about a book similar to the Quran, a god of war similar to Allah, or a religion similar to Islam. It also is a historical fact the belief in the Mosaic religion - Jewism - was strong at the time of Jesus and his disciples, and if he/they had preached about a known pagan god - al-Lah/Allah - from a not far off pagan country - Arabia - he/they had got few followers and Jesus had been killed long before by the strong Jewish clergy (or perhaps laughed at and not killed, because he was not dangerous to them).

The list (f.x. Matt.10/2-4):

  1. Simon, also named Peter (= stone, cliff).
  2. Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
  3. James, son of Zebedee.
  4. John, James' brother.
  5. Philip.
  6. Bartholomew.
  7. Thomas.
  8. Matthew.
  9. James, son of Alphaeus.
  10. Thaddeus.
  11. Simon the Cananean - also called Simon the Zealot.
  12. Judas Iscariot - the one who according to the Bible betrayed Jesus.
  13.  

001 2/239b: "- - - celebrate Allah's praises in the manner He has thought you (Muslims - via the Quran*), which ye knew not (before)". If books similar to the Quran had been sent down to all the earlier prophets before - 124ooo or more according to the Hadiths - included all the Jewish prophets included Jesus, why then did nobody know how to pray in a correct way before? F.x. Jesus instructed his disciples how to pray - but in a very different way from what Muhammad told. Strange if they both represented the same god like Islam claims.

002 3/52b: “(Jesus*) said: ‘Who will be the helpers to (the work) of Allah?” See 3/51a above.

003 3/52c: “(Jesus*) said: ‘Who will be the helpers to (the work) of Allah?” Not from the Bible.

004 3/52d: “Said the Disciples (of Jesus*): ‘We are Allah’s helpers: we believe in Allah, and do thou (Jesus*) bear witness that we are Muslims". Definitely not to be found in the Bible. And definitely not in the according to history strongly Yahweh-believing Israel around 30 AD. That they confessed belief in a known pagan god - al-Lah/Allah - from a neighboring country is totally unlikely.

005 3/52e: “Said the Disciples (of Jesus*): ‘We are Allah’s helpers: we believe in Allah, and do thou (Jesus*) bear witness that we are Muslims". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different. And multiply even a tiny change with some billion people through the centuries, and many and also big things will be changed.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "Butterfly Effect" and the "Domino Effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
  5. The so-called "Domino Effect": Any change will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change - - - and so on forever. Also each cause may cause one or more or many changes. And: The Butterfly Effect only may happen, whereas the Domino Effect is unavoidable and inexorable - a main reason why if you in a battle is killed 5 meters from or 5 minutes later than where and when Allah has predestined - not to mention if you die when tilling your fields 50 miles off - unavoidably the entire future of the world is changed. Perhaps not much changed, but like said; multiply it with many billion people through the centuries, and the world is totally changed. And full clairvoyance of course totally impossible - except in occultism, mysticism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

This that Allah predestines everything is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims), it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (or Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. See 2/51b and 3/24a above.

But remember as for punishment and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)

006 3/52f: “Said the Disciples (of Jesus*): ‘We are Allah’s helpers:'” See 3/51a above.

007 3/52g: "Said the disciples: '- - - we believe in Allah, - - -'”. See 3/51a above.

*008 3/52h: Said the disciples: “- - - and thou (Jesus*) bear witness that we are Muslims”. See 3/51a and 3/52d above. Besides the word hardly had a meaning 600 years before Muhammad.

009 3/70d: “Why do ye (mainly Jews*) reject the Signs of Allah, of which ye are (yourselves) witnesses?” They rejected the “Signs” – the teaching of Muhammad (the Quran as a book did not exist yet). The word “Sign” here may refer to two statements:

  1. Islam says Muhammad is foretold in the Bible, and especially refers to 5 Mos. 18/15 and 18/18. But the brother of a Jew is a Jew, not an Arab, and the Jews’ fellow countrymen also are Jews, not Arabs. Islam also never mention the next few verses – f.x. number 8/22 about real and false prophets, and where Muhammad do not even qualify as a real prophet. See the chapter about “Muhammad in the Bible?” in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran". Wrong.
  2. The other claim here is that when Jesus talked to his disciples about a helper that should come to them, Muslims claim that this meant Muhammad, even though they have to twist their “explanation” not a little (they need at least one “foretelling” from GT and one from NT, because it is said that Muhammad is foretold in both) - and even though Muhammad was born 500 years after the disciples were dead he should be the helper of the disciples of Jesus according to Islam! (Jesus was talking about The Holy Spirit which came to the disciples some days later at Pentecost (Acts 2/2-4)).
  3. The Quran refers to one or two learned Jews whom Islam claims accepted Mohammad as a prophet. (This may or may not be true). But it is in no way correct to say that “ye” (all or most of the Jews) did so. On the contrary – may be a thousand Jews were killed and murdered and many more made slaves or had to flee the area, because they refused to accept Islam as their religion. Wrong - there is a huge difference between one/a few and most/all.

See 7/157d+e below.

Islam only has produced claims and twisted logic for this – well, claim. They will have to produce documentation or proofs if they want to be believed by others than the brainwashed and the naïve. Similar claims in 2/42 – 2/101 – 2/146.

What was wrong with them, Muhammad told, was that they had distorted or thrown away parts of the OT (he claimed), so that it did not tell the same story as the Quran – which it, he claimed, surely had done when it was sent down from Allah (As mentioned no part of the Bible is “sent down”, except the 10 Commandments. It is all written by humans – may be inspired by god, but written by humans. What comes closest to having been “sent down” except for the 10 Commandments are the laws of Moses, which the Bible tells Yahweh told to Moses, and Moses wrote them down later.) See 2/75b, 2/76b and 2/77a above, and especially 7/157d+e below.

Worse: Not even Islam has ever found a proof for that the Bible is falsified - not even a single point of falsification they have found in it (guess if they had referred to it if they had found anything!). Mistakes, yes, but no falsifications. The same goes for science: No falsification found.

010 3/81m: "Allah said: 'Do ye (all the old prophets*) agree, and take this Covenant (including believing in and helping Muhammad*) as binding on you?' They said: 'We agree'". He said: 'Then bear witness (about Muhammad*) - - -". They cannot have been very reliable, as exactly none of the known prophets ever mentioned him - included not Abraham, not Moses, and not Jesus to mention 3 of the main prophets according to the Quran (and yes, we know about the cherry-picked, wrong claims concerning 5. Mos. 18/15 and 18/18, and about the helper Jesus promised his disciples (the Holy Spirit) which Islam claims meant Muhammad 500+ years after the last disciple was dead).

011 5/5c: "The food of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians*) is lawful unto you (Muslims*) - - -". One small point here: You will meet Muslims claiming that the restrictive food laws of Moses really are binding also for Christians as they are not explicit cancelled in the Gospels. We quote MA: "The Massage of the Quran", comment 14 to surah 5: "- - - there is no statement whatsoever in the Gospels to the effect that these prohibitions were cancelled by Jesus". No, but for one thing the Gospels only make up a little better than 40% of the NT, and it is clear in the other parts of the NT that the strict Jewish food laws only are for Jews, not for Christians, and for another it is clear that Jesus did not accept everything in those laws - see f.x. his reaction when some ones scolded his disciples for harvesting grains and eating them during the Sabbath. And not least: Even the Quran tells that Jesus changed some of the Jewish laws (3/50a above).

012 5/14c: "We (the god*) did take a Covenant (with the Christians, too*) - - -". It is crystal clear that if the old scriptures and 11 witnesses (the disciples*) tell the truth, this covenant was confirmed by Jesus' words the last supper (Luke 22/20). This is so well known and so central in the Christian religion, that not one single Muslim really educated in religion do not know this. All the same this almost always is omitted when Muslim scholars write or talk - and the lay Muslim mostly have never heard about it. And then you even in presumably good quality Islamic literature meet claims like this - claims which have to be written against the writers knowledge, as it is so well known (YA: The Meaning of the Quran", comment 715): "The Christian Covenant may be taken to be the charge which Jesus gave to his disciples, and which the disciples accepted, to welcome Ahmad (= Muhammad*)":

  1. There exists a verse in the Quran (61/6) where it is claimed Jesus said there should come a messenger named Ahmad (= Muhammad) - but only in the Quran, a book dictated by Muhammad. Not very strange if Muhammad foretold himself. BUT NOT EVEN THERE IT IS SAID THAT JESUS' DISCIPLES ACCEPTED THE MESSAGE. (It is claimed in the Quran that the disciples said they were Muslims, but not that they got the claimed message about Muhammad). Honesty in argumentation?
  2. There is no-where in the Bible said anything even remotely similar to this. And it is worth remembering that science - and Islam - long since has proved the claims in the Quran about falsifications in the Bible wrong - not to say fakes.
  3. Jesus' order to his disciples before he left them (according to the Bible and not opposed by the Quran) was to find proselytes and make them Christians by baptizing them - something very different from what here is said.
  4. Jesus also told them he should send them a helper - and they received their "parts" of the Holy Spirit some days later, something which helped them quite a lot according to the NT. But Islam strongly claims this helper Jesus promised, was Muhammad - who was born nearly 500 years after the last of the disciples was dead! (But this is the only place they can twist the NT so much that an al-Taqiyya may look distantly believable for the ones not knowing the Bible, and as it is told in the Quran that Muhammad was foretold also in the Gospels, they HAVE to find such a foretelling, come Hell or high water. See 7/157e below.
  5. Another fact worth mentioning here is that in absolutely no foretelling in the Bible about anybody not in the foreteller's near future, are names given - sometimes titles, but never names. In the verse in the Quran claimed to be parallel to one in the Bible, there is a clear name - typical for a deceiver overdoing his "job".

013 5/111a: "I (Allah*) inspired the Disciples to have faith in Me - - -". According to the Bible this was done by Yahweh.

014 5/111f: “(the Disciples*) said: “We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims”. A made up story - see 3/51a+b for explanation.

015 5/112-115: This story about a table from Heaven is not from the Bible. Some Muslims think it is a mix-up with the "Lord's Prayer" - "give us today our daily bread" - or a mix-up with Jesus feeding many as told in the Bible, but as likely it is a mix-up with the last supper as it only includes his disciples. Or it may be a legend he "borrowed". A miracle like this had not been forgotten by the writers of the Bible, as it was different from his other miracles. Neither had it been omitted by "bad people" falsifying the Bible to strengthen Jesus, especially as it showed a direct connection in the direction (up) they believed the god to be. Also see 5/114b and 5/114d below.

016 5/112a: "Behold, the Disciples said: "O Jesus - - - (etc.*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different. And multiply even a tiny change with some billion people through the centuries, and many and also big things will be changed.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "Butterfly Effect" and the "Domino Effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
  5. The so-called "Domino Effect": Any change will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change - - - and so on forever. Also each cause may cause one or more or many changes. And: The Butterfly Effect only may happen, whereas the Domino Effect is unavoidable and inexorable - a main reason why if you in a battle is killed 5 meters from or 5 minutes later than where and when Allah has predestined - not to mention if you die when tilling your fields 50 miles off - unavoidably the entire future of the world is changed. Perhaps not much changed, but like said; multiply it with many billion people through the centuries, and the world is totally changed. And full clairvoyance of course totally impossible - except in occultism, mysticism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes f.x. prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

017 5/112b: "O Jesus the son of Mary!" For one thing your nearest co-workers (here Jesus' disciples*) do not use a long and formal name for you. Plus wrong name - the name of Jesus was Jesus ben Joseph, not Jesus ben Mary. For another see 5/110a above.

018 5/113b: "- - - and that we ourselves (the disciples*) may be witness to the miracle". Invalid explanation - they had seen plenty of miracles in other connections according to the old books. Also this is not from the Bible.

One more confirmation in the Quran for that Jesus could cause miracles - the story is made up unless the opposite is proved, but the confirmation and admission are real ones. Neither Allah nor Muhammad proved they were able to this (Muhammad - and Islam - clearly admitted/-s that he himself was unable to (see 5/110i)).

019 5/114d: “Send us (Jesus and the Disciples*) from heaven a Table set (with viands), - - -”. A made up story - there is no chance that such a miracle which clearly shows Jesus’ connection to Yahweh, would be omitted from the Bible. Not one single chance. Even if Muhammad had been right and Christians had falsified the NT, this is the kind of stories they had added, not omitted. Some Muslims say this may refer a little to “The Prayer of God” - "give us our daily bread" - in the Bible. Much more likely it is a contorted version of the last Easter supper.

The Quran tells nearly nothing about Jesus as a preacher or about his teachings. The main points for Muhammad were that Jesus was a good Muslim and that even though Jesus was a great prophet – and a real prophet according to both the Bible and to the Quran – he in reality was no match to the greatest: Muhammad. Muhammad claimed to be the greatest prophet - - - but never even proved that he even was one.

020 7/157c (small part of) The Parakletos/Counselor was invisible and to be within the disciples. Muhammad neither was invisible, nor within the disciples. And lived 600 years too late.

021 16/102c: (YA2141): "- - - the Holy Spirit - - -". YA's comment: = The title of the Angel Gabriel - - -". This is a claim you sometimes meet from Muslims. But no-one who ever read the Bible with an open mind, would ever get such an idea (and even the Quran does not say so) - the Holy Spirit clearly is something special in the Bible, and something much more and much more essential than even an arch angel. Besides the Bible knows very well the difference between a spirit and an angel - and in the Bible Gabriel is not even an ordinary angel, but an arch-angel. And: When the Holy Spirit came to the disciples of Jesus after he had left them, it split or splintered off something and took part in each of them. No angel could be split in 11 (Judas Iscariot was not there naturally) or more. Some spirits can.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong argument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

022 18/4-5 (small part of) Whereas the Bible is written by many different persons, and as for NT many of whom knew Jesus or his closest co-workers, the Disciples, and nearly all wrote at times when there still were thousands of witnesses alive that had personally heard and seen what Jesus said and did.

023 23/52b: "- - - verily, this Brotherhood of yours (prophets'*) is a single Brotherhood - - -". Wrong. One may say that the prophets from the Bible, included Jesus and perhaps his disciples and Paul belonged to a brotherhood - clearly the same god, clearly the same teaching - except that "the New Covenant" represented more mildness from Yahweh - the words and teachings and foretelling corresponded to each other, etc., all in the same line of traditions. Muhammad was totally outside that line on every essential point - different god, different teaching, fundamentally different religion, different traditions, outside the foretelling of the older prophets (not only himself, but also what he said and told), very different code of moral, no empathy - even a very different paradise.

In spite of Muhammad's repeated claims: He did not belong in the same line of prophets as the Biblical ones. No matter whether he is claimed to be a real or a false prophet, his teachings and his god are too different from that of the Biblical prophets - he is not in that line of prophets. It is not a single brotherhood.

024 61/6f (small part of) 14: Jesus promised his disciples a helper – a parakletos. If he had meant Muhammad, how could Muhammad be their helper when they were all dead 500 years before he was even born?? It simply is nonsense or wishful thinking.

025 61/14c: “- - - said Jesus - - - to the Disciples,’ Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?’” Wrong. If Jesus had said this about a known pagan god in a neighboring country (al-Lah in Arabia), he for one thing had got few followers, and for another had been killed by the Jewish clergy much earlier. Contradicted by reality. Also see 61/6a-f + 3/51 in the full list in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran". Similar claim in 3/52.

But of course the disciples – also here according to the Quran - were good Muslims. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs. ###Also remember that we now are in times of written history, and we know for sure there was no book like the Quran, no god like Allah and no religion like Islam anywhere in that area - and we know for as sure that the religion of the Jews at that time was a strong Mosaic (Jewish) one. The Quran is totally wrong here.

026 61/14d: “Said the Disciples, ’We are Allah’s helpers”. See 61/14a, 61/6 (all comments) above.

027 97/4e: (YA6219): "The Spirit: Usually understood to be the angel Gabriel, the Spirit of Inspiration". Quite another meaning than the one(s) in 97/4b above.

And in addition: No-one who has ever read the Bible with an open mind, has ever got the idea the Spirit (= the Holy Spirit) was another name for the arch angel Gabriel - to find such a meaning in the Bible, you have to have strong and fixes ideas before you start reading. For one thing it is clear from all contexts that the Holy Spirit is something different from everything else and something special. For another the functions are different - how could f.x. an angel split himself in 12 at Pentecost - or be part of many disciples (the helper Jesus promised them before he left them). And not least: It is very clear that the Bible knows the difference between angles and spirits - there never is a mix-up of those two (also hardly in the Quran - but Muslim scholars have found a "good" idea anyhow, even though it is neither in the Bible, nor in the Quran). #####The Holy Spirit = Gabriel is not found neither in the Bible nor in the Quran - and is anti-thesis to the contexts and the texts in the Bible. For good measure see 94/4f just below.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

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83.  DJINNI

In old Israeli folklore corresponding to Arab Jinn. (Not in the Bible.)

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84.  DOERS OF GOOD

The good Muslims are the doers of good.

But beware that when the Quran - and Mohammad and Islam and Muslims - talks about "doing/being good" or similar, or for that case "doing/being bad" or similar, it is meant according to the too often immoral and/or unjust moral code in the Quran. (#####Have you ever noticed that many of the points in that moral code are similar to corresponding points in the moral codes of the Mafia, the Cosa Nostra, the Chinese Triads, and other criminal organizations?)

There also is another point: The evaluation of words, deeds, etc. There are:

  1. Positive words/deeds which in the Quran and Islam correctly are valued as morally good and recommendable.
  2. Neutral words/deeds really not worth anything, which in the Quran and Islam are valued as morally good and recommendable. "False positives".
  3. Negative words/deeds which in the Quran/Islam are valued as morally good and recommendable. "Dishonest positives".
  4. Positive words/deeds which in the Quran and Islam are valued as morally bad and recommended to avoid. "False negatives".
  5. >/ol>

These are facts if you compare the Quran's and Islam's moral code to the moral codes of normal religions and cultures, or to "do to others like you want others do to you".

These facts are not surprising as the Quran/Islam accepts and even sometimes promote the use of dishonesty in words and deeds (half-truths (Kitman), lying (al-Taqiyya), cheating, disuse of oaths (2/225, 3/54 5/89, 16/91, 66/2), stealing/looting, extortion, suppression, etc.) - normal for a religion of war and apartheid, but all the same worth to beware of. And wrong according to normal moral codes and religions.

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001 2/5e: "- - - it is these (good Muslims*) who will prosper". See comments to 2/4d above.

002 2/82c: "- - - therein (Heaven*) shall they (good Muslims*) abide (for ever)". If Allah exists. If Allah is behind the Quran. And if the Quran tells the full and only truth at least on this point. And not to forget: 11/108c may indicate it is not quite forever - an unsolved question for Islam, which they, however, have managed to flee from by claiming this in case just means they will be transferred to an even better place, something which is not said in the Quran.

003 2/83c: "- - - treat with kindness - - - orphans - - -". One of Islam's positive sides is its care for orphans - frequently mentioned in the Quran, perhaps because Muhammad was an orphan himself (his father died before he was born, his mother when he was 6).

004 2/110b: "- - - whatever you have sent forth for your souls before you - - -". This simply means that your good (and bad) deeds are transferred to merits waiting for you at the Day of Doom.

005 2/112a: "- - - doer of good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. The best of good deeds f.x. are to go to war and steal and rape and enslave and murder in the name of the god - the last fact makes it extra disgusting.

006 2/112b: "- - - he (the good Muslim*) will get his reward with his Lord (Allah*) - - -". If Allah exists. If he is behind the Quran. And if the Quran tells the full and only truth here.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)

007 2/158f: "- - - to (do*) good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code - though in this case it is likely it indicates giving to the poor or something (but normally the best deed in the Quran is to wage raids and wars for Muhammad and his successors in the name of Allah - including stealing, raping, enslaving, killing).

008 2/177l: "- - - ransom for slaves - - -". To free a slave - at least a Muslim slave - was a good thing (even though the freed slave still belonged to your extended family if nothing else was said). But you will meet many a Muslim boasting that Islam intended to abolish slavery. One thing is that they made no progress on this in 1200-1400 years - until they were forced backwards into it by western ideas and western power (the last one - Mauritania - as unbelievably late as 1982, and worse: It did not become a punishable crime there until in 2007!!!). But worse: The claim is rubbish. Muhammad was a slave owner, a slave taker, a slave dealer - it is mentioned both in the Quran and in Hadiths - and anything Muhammad said and did was just and right and could - and in religious principle still can - be done by anyone without the slightest bad conscience.

009 2/184b: “But he that will give more, of his own free will – it is better for him.” But the Arab expression “alladhina yutiqunahu” may be “able to do it” or “can afford it”. In this translation it tends towards "ability to afford". But if one thinks the other one is the correct, the meaning may be this: “Whoever does more good than he is bound to do, do good unto himself thereby - - -.” To do god is a much wider word than to give. Clear language in the Quran?

010 2/195c: "- - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is meant in accordance with the Quran's own partly immoral moral code. Remember f.x. that the best deed according to the Quran, was to go to war for Muhammad/Allah.

011 2/195d: "- - - Allah loveth those who do good". See 2/195b just above.

012 2/197d: "And whatever good ye (Muslims*) do, (be sure) Allah knoweth it". If Allah exists and is behind the Quran - and if the Quran tells the truth on this point.

013 2/197e: "- - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is meant in accordance with the Quran's own partly immoral moral code. Remember f.x. that the best deed according to the Quran, was to go to war and steal, rob, suppress and kill for Muhammad/Allah.

014 2/212a: “But the righteous (good Muslims*) will be above them (all others*) on the Day of Resurrection - - -.” Of course – as the Muslims of course are the best. One more thing: Statements like this "explain" away why many non-Muslims and bad Muslims live a good life, whereas many good Muslims live a poor one.

But there is one difficult point here: This claim just is a claim - nothing is ever documented. F.x. the Bible offers some real proofs - if the books tell the truth. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.) The Quran only offers claims and invalid "signs" and "proofs" - and who uses invalid signs and proofs? - the cheat, the deceiver, the swindler.

015 2/215a: "Whatever ye spend (in charity/alms*) that is good, is for parents and kindred and orphans and those in want and for wayfarers". Abrogated in the meaning making "wider" - may be by a god not able to make the perfect rules at his first try? - by:

9/60: Alms are for the poor and the needy, and those employed to administer the (funds); for those whose hearts have been (recently) reconciled (to Truth (Muhammad often used "gifts"/bribes to keep new followers'); for those in bondage and in debt; in the cause of Allah; and for the wayfarer - - -". ("those whose hearts have been (recently) reconciled (to Truth) = new Muslims*)

Charity is one of the positive sides with Islam. But it has 2 "special" points which reduces its effect: For one you do not help others out of compassion or empathy or even sympathy, but to gain merit in Heaven. The lack of compassion and empathy - and not too much sympathy - makes the Quran an even colder book and Islam an even colder religion. And for another you get the same merit from Allah whether you help your nearest family or strangers - then why help strangers? (How many of the big international - not inter-Muslim, but international - help or aid organizations have started in Muslim areas? Or another example: After the tsunami in 2004 many needed help - mostly Muslims, but some Buddhists and Hindus and a "few" others. The country who donated most compared to its number of inhabitants, was the mainly Christian Norway - nearly 50 US dollar on average from each and every inhabitant and immigrant and baby and old one just the first very few days and weeks. How much did the golden Gulf states give their Muslim brothers and sisters before they were forced by international opinion to give more? Another fact: In some Scandinavian papers this year (2010 AD) it was reported that when there were collection to help or aid organizations, Muslims give little or nothing (an exception may be for organizations working explicit among Muslims).

016 2/215b: "- - - whatever ye (Muslims*) do that is good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like "good" and similar, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

017 2/261a: "The parable of those who spend their substance in the way of Allah is that of a grain of corn (Americans; beware that here is not meant maize - this even more so as maize did not exist in "the old world" at that time): it grows seven years, and each ear hath a hundred grains". There mainly are two ways to "spend in the way of Allah": To help the poor and to help the religion - included to wage war (war cost a lot, and even though you can get rich from looting, that is afterwards, whereas the expenses is before and during the war or raid - one simply needs money to start a war, even if one can steal much during and after the war). So spend of your money and get rich profit in the next life - if there is a next life, if Allah exists, and if the Quran in addition tells the full and only truth about everything. (If there is not a Muslim paradise, Muhammad got lots of money and warriors for his raids and wars for free - which is not unusual for self proclaimed prophets.) It must be added that this verse is a clever piece of work, if the intention was to get money and to recruit warriors - good psychology (Muhammad understood people).

018 2/262b: "- - - on them (good Muslims*) shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve (in the presumed next life*)". If Allah exists. If he is a god. If he is behind the stories of the Quran. And if the Quran in addition tells the full and only truth on this point. But what if the Quran is a made up book? - - as it is not from any god with all its errors, this is a real possibility. Actually the only possibility.

019 2/272g: "Whatever good ye (Muslims*) give, shall be rendered back to you, and ye shall not be dealt with unjustly". Once more the old fact: This claim only may be correct if Allah exists and is a major god.

020 2/274a: "- - - their (good Muslims'*) reward with their Lord (Allah*) - - -". If he exists. If he is a god. If he is behind the stories in the Quran. And if the Quran in addition retells the stories 100 correctly.

021 2/274b: "- - - on them (good Muslims*) shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve (in the possible next life*)". If Allah exists. If he is behind the stories in the Quran. And if the Quran in addition retells the stories 100 correctly.

022 2/277e: "- - - (good Muslims*), will have their reward with their Lord (Allah*) - - -". If he exists. If he is a god. If he is behind the stories in the Quran. And if the Quran in addition retells the stories 100% correctly.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

023 3/28d: “Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah, except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourself from them." Deception, not honesty, also in friendship.

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When preparing just this for Book F, I was reading about what is happening in Northeast Africa: Muslim gangs prying on people trying to get away from poverty and war by fleeing north. Kidnapping, gang raping, stealing what little the victims have got, enslaving, slave trading, extortion, torture, killing - even slaughtering victims to sell body parts on the black market.

Islam could stop this. But why should they, and for what moral reason? With the exception of selling hearts and livers, etc. on the black market, this is exactly what Muhammad did, and what he did is "lawful and good".

This is Islam let lose in its pure form. Men living strictly according to the surahs from Medina - the youngest surahs and thus the most correct ones according to Islam's rules for abrogation.

These men are claimed to be humans. And as they are living and behaving strictly according to the Quran's later surahs and to Muhammad's excellent sample, they are the diamonds of what Islam has to offer.

No further comments.

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024 3/30b: "- - - good (deeds*) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expression like this it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

025 3/92a: "By no means shall ye attain righteousness unless ye give (freely) of that which ye love - - -". - among other things gifts to finance warfare. Thieving and robbing pays - but takes some money each time a raid is to be outfitted, not to mention a war. We may add that most of Muhammad's raids were raids of aggression to steal/rob riches and to take captives for extortion or slaves. But all the same it was named "holy wars" and "holy battles". (Well, to be just: Also gifts to the needy and to the religion, etc. were good gifts).

026 3/92b: "By no means shall ye attain righteousness unless ye give (freely) of that which ye love - - -". Another of the fundamental differences between the Bible - and especially NT - and the Quran: In NT it is you mind and your belief in Yahweh which count most. Good deeds are plusses, but your honest belief and what is in your mind are the decisive points. In the Quran - like you see here - your deeds are what decide your possible 2. life. Yahweh and Allah the same god with two so fundamentally different teachings on such an essential point? Nope.

#027 3/104a: "Let there arise out of you (Muslims*) a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong - - -". The world is still waiting for this - the Muslims instead follow the Quran and its somewhat special laws and rules.

028 3/104b: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

029 3/104e: "- - - they (good Muslims*) are the ones to attain felicity". If Allah exists. If he is behind what is told in the Quran. And if the Quran in addition tells the full and only truth. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

030 3/104f: "- - - they (good Muslims*) are the ones to attain felicity". Strongly contradicted by the Bible - and by most other religions. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

###031 3/110b: “Ye (Muslims*) are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind - - -”. If the Muslims were evolved for the good of mankind, they have been rather lazy the last 900 years - the culture stagnated around 1100 AD, and after that nothing which could benefit mankind came from Muslims (and much/most of what came before, came not because of Islam, but in spite of Islam.

They later also stagnated in military power. The Great Siege of Malta (18. May to 8. September 1565 AD), and shortly after (7. October 1571 AD) the Battle of Lepanto - at sea - broke the Muslim hegemony in the Mediterranean. Well, they rebuilt their some 210 lost ships, and for a few years expanded some. But they had lost too many experienced sailors and too many experienced warriors in those to and some other battles, and the effort to rebuild and man the fleet overreached the Muslims power - from 1580 AD their power in the Mediterranean area quickly decreased.

032 3/115a: "Of the good they (Jews and Christians gone Muslims or at least nearly so*) do, nothing will be rejected of them - - -". = All good deeds will be remembered on the Day of Doom - - - if the Quran can be relied on.

033 3/115b: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with the book's own partly immoral moral code.

034 3/134a: "Those who spend (freely) - - - (are good*) - - - for Allah loves those who do good". Spend for helping others. Spend for forwarding the religion. Spend for warfare.

035 3/134c: "- - - Allah loves those who do good - - -". If he exists - - - and if a war god really likes really good deeds - "do onto others like you want others do onto you".

036 3/134d: "- - - those who do good - - -". Good Muslims.

037 3/134e: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses such words, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. Remember f.x. that the best of deeds in the Quran is to go to war and steal and rape and suppress and kill in the name of Allah.

038 3/136e: "- - - how excellent a recompense (Paradise*) is for those who work (and strive) (good Muslims*)!" If Allah exists. If he is behind what Muhammad told. And if what Muhammad told in the Quran is the full and only truth about this. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.) One should also remember that the Islamic Paradise mainly offers bodily satisfaction and luxury - not very inventive for an omniscient god (in the Bible it is told the Christians will become like angels - f.x. Matt. 22/30).

039 3/148c: “For Allah loveth those who do good - - -". Allah can love no-one unless he exists - and there is not one single proof, not even a clear indication, for his existence.

###But an extra point: What is the meaning of "good" in this connection? What the Quran calls "good" too often is far from good - often really bad - according to normal religions, normal moral codes and normal cultures. Cfr. f.x: "Do to others like you want others do to you" and compare it to the Quran's partly rather special moral code.

040 3/148d: “For Allah loveth those who do good (in this case: To wage war for Allah and Muhammad*)”. To do battle for Allah - to steal and burn and kill and murder and destroy and rape for the good and benevolent deity - is a good thing which Allah loves. (Actually that it shall be made in the name of the god, makes it even more disgusting.) Did anyone say that modern terrorists have to twist the words of the Quran to find incitements to their deeds? And also: Muhammad got cheap warriors and gained wealth and power - in wars and robberies that really were illegal according to the Quran, as they in reality were wars of aggression, not really of defense. And they gave him the possibility to rape at least two women - Rayhana bint Amr and Safijja bint Huayay.

##041 3/157b: “And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass”. Nearly no matter how bad a man (nothing is said about women) you have been, to be killed for Allah, is the sure way to go to Paradise. A mighty - and cheap - way to get warriors.

The old Vikings “knew” that if they were killed in battle, they went to Valhalla - that made them ferocious warriors. In Islam the sure way to Paradise with its lazy luxury life and plenty of women, had and has the same effect, and for the same reason.

There are two questions, though: Who decides which wars are wanted by Allah? - if you look at history, it seems that a lot of the wars Muslims have fought, in reality were for wealth and power, but mostly they all the same have been declared Holy Wars, a few times even by both sides when both parts were Muslims. And: What if the Quran is invented or not telling the full truth? - all the mistakes and contradictions, etc. in the book make one wonder (or stronger). At least no god makes such a quality book. If the Quran is not from a god, this promise of Paradise also is not true.

In the wars between Sunni and Shi’ia and in power struggles among leaders, a lot of warriors have been cheated - both parts in a war between Muslims cannot be fighting for Allah and the “right” belief, but all warriors on both sides often were told they fought against enemies of Allah. If at least one part was right, the warriors from the opposite part had a rude awakening in Hell, even if they were told and believed they were fighting enemies of Allah. Not to mention when all was a struggle for power among leaders, and Allah did not agree at all that any of them were fighting for him - they only were sinning by killing fellow Muslims “without a good reason”, which is a grave sin worthy of Hell.

And even worse: If the Quran is made up or does not tell the truth on this point, no comment is necessary. Especially not if there exists another, true religion somewhere - a religion Muslims are prohibited to look for. Where will the Muslims end in case if there is a next life?

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

##042 3/158a: “And if ye die, or are slain, lo! It is unto Allah that ye are brought together”. Be killed in war for Allah, and go to paradise - good “knowledge” for a warrior or terrorist. Whoever said the Quran has to be disused to justify terrorism, hardly ever read the Quran - or uses an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie - this "convenient" Islamic only phenomenon). See also 3/157b above.

##043 3/162a: “Is the man who follows the good pleasure of Allah like the man who draws on himself the wrath of Allah - - -?” Of course not – the Muslims are better. It is a strange rule this that the ones inventing an ideology, always deem themselves to be the best, and all others of lower value. The Greeks were better than their "barbarian" neighbors. The old Egyptian found it distasting even to eat together with the Jews, according to the Bible (because they were lowly shepherds). Arab Muslims for centuries were better than other Muslims. Afghan Muslims even today mean they are better Muslims than other Muslims. Everybody is better than the Jews. The Indians were better than the Eskimos. The white race was the very best. Communists were and are best. Not to mention how best the Nazis were. And not to forget: Muslims are better than anyone else - twice as good or better according to some Muslims. It even is possible to believe things like this if you have little education, are naive, or are brainwashed.

044 3/170b: “They (the ones killed in war*) rejoice in the Bounty of Allah (an Earth-like luxury life + plenty of women – how that life is for the women, is of no consequence* - not worth even one question in the entire Quran and all the Hadiths or anywhere else in Islamic literature we have seen) - - - (and*) the (martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve.” Psychologically a very good way for a leader to tackle and to prepare his followers for the fact that some warriors were going to die in the wars. There were little cause for sorrow and little cause for blaming the leader. But to be able to believe in this, take lots of naivety, blind belief and wishful thinking - just naivety is not enough.

045 3/173c: "- - - it (the possibility of battle*) (only) increased their (good Muslims'*) Faith - - -". The religion of peace? The same god as in NT?< You bet!/p>

###046 3/174a: “And they returned (from war) with Grace and Bounty from Allah: no harm ever touched them - - -”. A fairy tale picture of war and easy riches. A good pep talk for recruiting new warriors if the men are uneducated and naïve. Glorifying war and spoils of war attracts new warriors. The larger the “army” the better chance of success and power for leaders.

But never a word about the catastrophes for the victims and for the destroyed lives and cultures, etc. Compassion and empathy nearly do not exist in the Quran - and definitely not concerning non-Muslims.

#####It is worth noticing that Muhammad and his followers behaved like Muslim gangs are doing today (2013 AD) in northeast Africa: Raiding - in this case especially people fleeing north from war and poverty - the weak ones. Muslims stealing what meager possessions they have, murdering, raping, gang raping, torture, extortion, slave taking, slave selling (yes, it goes on even today). This was the life of the semi-saint Muhammad the last 9-10 years of his life - Muslims were involved in some 82 armed incidences during that time, nearly all of them raids for stealing riches, for rape, extortion, and slaves. Muhammad personally led some 26 of them and personally raped at least two women (Rayhana bint Amr and Safiyya bint Huayay). #####Some morally perfect idol!

#####It also is very telling that as far as we know, Islam is doing little or nothing to stop those gangsters of today - and how can they? Those gangsters are behaving just like Muhammad did, and everything Muhammad did was perfect, "lawful and good".

047 3/174c: "- - - they (Muslims at war*) followed the good pleasure of Allah - - -". That his followers wage war is the good pleasure of Allah. "The religion of peace"? - a god of peace? If you are sufficient naive or indoctrinated you may be able to believe this.

049 3/182c: "- - - (what*) your hands sent on before ye (humans*) - - -". This is an expression you meet some places in the Quran. It means that what you did of good and bad things in this life is noted in a book in Heaven, and will give you plusses and minuses at the day of doom. But again: Is this fair, if Allah predestines everything you say and do, like the Quran claims several places? Intellectually believing Muslims are living in straight-jackets and mental prisons, and believing narrow-mindedness and intellectual fences is the horizon.

050 4/2b: “To orphans restore their property (when they reach their age), nor substitute (your) worthless things for (their) good ones; and devour not their substance (by mixing it up) with your own. For this is indeed a great sin". One of the verses behind the Sharia laws.

051 4/4d: "- - - but if they (your wives*), of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, take it and enjoy it with right good cheer". But who controls if it really is done by free will?

052 4/36b: “- - - do good - to parents, kinfolks, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near, neighbors who are strangers, the Companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hand possess - - -”. Allah likes people who do good - even to slaves. Your slaves are mentioned after even wayfarers you happen to meet, but they are mentioned. Proving Islam was planning to end slavery? Hardly.

053 4/36c: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is meant in accordance with the book's own partly immoral moral code.

054 4/40c: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is meant in accordance with the book's own partly immoral moral code.

055 4/57f: “- - - therein (Paradise*) shall they (deserving Muslim men*) have companions pure and holy (houris - sex slaves in Paradise*) - - -.” Houris are a bit special kind of women, but the “fact” that they are given to the men arriving in Paradise as repayment for good (?) deeds, tells kilometers about Islam’s view on women, about the Quran's moral code and about the Muslim Paradise.

056 4/58a: "- - - judge with justice - - -". On the face of it, this is a good demand. The minus is that it is meant "justice" according to the Quran's partly immoral moral code and the sometimes very unjust sharia laws.

057 4/63: “Those men (not good Muslims or apostates*) - - - keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their very soul.” To keep clear of the not good Muslims, not to mention the apostates (this verse shows that apostates did (and do) exist - there are Muslims denying this), was not the real – and shortly also not the official - line for a long time. It soon was: Punish them! This verse is contradicted and often “killed” and abrogated by at least these verses demanding stricter actions: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).

058 4/69j: "- - - (who do good) - - -". See 4/69h+i above.

059 4/85a: "- - - a good cause - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

##060 4/95a: “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive in the cause of Allah with their goods and their person". Background for the sharia laws.

##061 4/95b: “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive in the cause of Allah with their goods and their person. Allah hath granted a grad higher to those who strive with their goods and their persons”. Clear words: Go to war or terrorism and end in a better part of Paradise - there are at least 4 or 6 different qualities of Gardens there + the higher heavens according to the Quran. Incitement “de luxe”.

##062 4/95c: “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive in the cause of Allah with their goods and their person." You find nothing similar to this in the Bible. In OT the Jews fought to gain a country and later to defend it, in NT physical fighting is not accepted at all. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

063 4/95d: "- - - strive in the cause of Allah - - -". In the Quran this expression normally means to wage war on claimed behalf of Allah and Muhammad and later leaders.

064 4/95e: "- - - strive in the cause of Allah - - -". Contradicted by the Bible - in OT the Jews fought to gain a country and later to defend it, in NT physical fighting is not accepted at all. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

065 4/95f: "Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive (fight*) with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home)". Strongly contradicted by especially in NT - in NT physical fighting is not accepted at all. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

#066 4/95g: “Unto all (in Faith (= all Muslims*)) hath Allah promised good: but those who strive hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by special reward -.” Are any comments necessary? - except f.x. compare this to NT. The Quran is war and murder. Compare it to the pacifistic and anti-war NT or f.x. Buddhism!

What a nice verse for a terrorist!

But what if the Quran is a made up book? - by man or dark forces? (with all its mistakes, etc. it is not from any god). Where will Muslims end if there is a next life?

#067 4/95h: “Unto all (in Faith (= all Muslims*)) hath Allah promised good: but those who strive hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by special reward -". But what is such a promise worth unless Allah exists and is a powerful god?

Remember as for punishment and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)

#068 4/95i: “Unto all (in Faith (= all Muslims*)) hath Allah promised good: but those who strive hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by special reward -". Strongly contradicted by especially in NT - in NT physical fighting is not accepted at all. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god not to mention Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion - and one of those many proofs which each alone proves this. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

069 4/114aa: "- - - to him who does this (charity or justice), seeking the good pleasure of Allah - - -". Here is one of the central differences between daily life in Christianity and daily life in Islam: In the Bible charity partly is from empathy and sympathy with the one in need and partly to gain merit from Yahweh. In Islam it mainly is to gain merit from Allah. And something similar - fair justice vs. merit - when it comes to justice.

###070 4/124a: "If any do deeds of righteousness - - - and have faith, they will enter Heaven - - -". Here is one of the fundamental differences between Islam and Christianity: In Islam what count is faith and good deeds. In NT the main things are faith and the belief in your god - good deeds counts, but the major point is your belief in your god and forgiveness from him.

071 4/125c: "- - - does good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. F.x. one of the best deeds is to wage raids and wars and suppress - and worse - others.

072 4/127e: "- - - stand firm for the justice to orphans". One of the plusses for the Quran, is its insisting on good treatment of orphans. This may be because Muhammad himself early became an orphan.

073 4/127f: "- - - good deeds - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

074 4/128c: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

075 4/135b: "Stand out firmly for justice - - -". This had been a good point, if it was not for the fact that the Quran's "justice" and the moral code it rests on, both often have sick rules. Compare some points in them to "do towards others like you want others do against you" and be horrified. And ethics we hardly ever even mention in connection to the Quran, as you may be have noticed.

###076 4/144c: “Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?” This is really a strong one: To make good friends with non-Muslims is a clear proof that you are not a good Muslim - this even for Allah, not to mention for all the Muslim society. This verse may give a strong social pressure NOT to associate with non-Muslims. (Sect leaders often do not want their followers to associate with people from the outside - it may give his followers correcting information and facts.)

077 4/147b: "- - - (all good) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. F.x. one of the best deeds is to wage raids and wars and suppress - and worse - others.

078 4/173c: "- - - He (Allah*) will give (the good Muslims*) their (due) rewards - - -". If he exists. If he is behind what is told in the Quran. And if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about this.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)

079 4/175b: "- - - soon He (Allah*) will admit them (good Muslims*) to (Paradise*) - - -". If he existed. If he is a god. If he is behind the texts in the Quran. And if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth.

080 5/35c: “Do your duty to Allah, seek the means of approach unto Him, and strive with might and mind (= make war*) in His Cause: that ye may prosper”. You prosper if you do like this. Islam after fighting non-religious knowledge for a few centuries (to ca. 1100 AD - or actually 1095 AD in the eastern and central Muslim area and ca. 1198 in the western) found that there was no prosperity in thinking and researching and studying - except just studying and repeating the religion and related subjects - to fight and steal/rob/suppress/enslave on the other hand was good. The result was stagnation after some time, and not prosperity. Also see 5/35b just above.

081 5/54e: “- - - fighting in the way of Allah - - -”. Unlike when you fight for Jesus and Yahweh - and many other gods - with your brain and words and good deeds, when you fight for Muhammad and Allah you fight with weapons and wage war and terror, and is paid by loot and rape and slaves - the laudable thing to do according to the Quran. Or - ?

082 5/81h: "- - - (if they were good Muslims*), never would they have taken them (non-Muslims*) for friends and protectors - - -". A clear and unmistakable message.

083 5/85d: "Such is the recompense of those who do good". But the Bible tells another and more tempting story about its Paradise.

084 5/85e: "- - - those who do good - - -". Good Muslims.

085 5/85f: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code - a code which too often sins against the gold standard: "Do against others like you want others do against you".

##086 5/87b: "Make not unlawful the good things which Allah hath made lawful for you (Muslims, people*) - - -". Do not make additional rules making lawful things difficult for you - or prohibiting them (- like the Jews had a tendency to do). In just this case Muhammad talks about food - quite an abrupt jump from belief in Allah and paradise, but the Quran often makes such jumps. Not god literature technique.

#####But as the Quran and all its mistakes are not from any god, who was it in reality who made things lawful or unlawful? There only are these alternatives:

  1. The dark forces making Muhammad believe Gabriel visiting him.
  2. A mentally sick brain - f.x. TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) like modern medical science strongly suspects.
  3. A cold brain - f.x. Muhammad's.
  4. A combination of these - modern science f.x. says that it is possible Muhammad believed in the beginning, but became professionally scheming later, which may indicate that Muhammad in the beginning was cheated by f.x. the Devil or by TLE, but then over some time discovered that things were wrong, but that he by then was caught by the situation and/or liked the power too well, and "played the game".

087 5/93b: "- - - deeds of righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. (F.x. one of the best deeds is to go to war and steal and rob and rape and suppress and kill in the name of the good and benevolent god Allah.)

#088 5/93d: "For Allah loveth those who do good". Whenever we see sentences like this and similar, we remember the golden rule for moral: "Do unto others what you want others do unto you". And then we wonder if Allah is able to like Muslims living according to the harsh parts of the Quran's moral rules, and what that in case tells about Allah.

Besides Allah can love nobody unless he exists.

####089 5/101b: "Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble". Guess if this is a revealing sentence! Do not ask questions - debate - if the result may be something that put question marks to the Quran!! - the criterion is not to find the truth, but not to find anything which may give you reason to question Islam - true or not is not part of the statement. This tells something serious about Muhammad, about the Quran, and about Islam. And most likely a main reason why Islam ended in its intellectually and culturally blind alley, and petrified and stagnant dark ages from around 1100 AD - dark ages they were forced backwards and protesting (f.x. printing was prohibited in Egypt for 300 years, because "it could be used to hurt Islam") out from by ideas, impulses and technical from the west, and by military realities mainly during the last century only. Also see 5/102a below.

090 6/48b: "- - - nor shall they (good Muslims in the claimed next life*) grieve". That will entirely depend on what they in reality meet in the possible next life - remember that the Quran with all its mistakes, etc. is not from any god.

091 6/160a: "He that doeth good, shall have ten times as much to his credit - - -." Islam is a religion where it is easy to deserve Paradise - in addition to all other easy ways, you have this. Similar is mentioned a few times in the book. Similar is not said in the Bible.

092 6/160b: "He that doeth good, shall have ten times as much to his credit - - -." This is not to be found in the Bible - it is such an essential point that it should have been if Yahweh was just another name for Allah, like the Quran claims - as normal without the slightest documentation.

093 6/160c: "- - - doeth good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expression like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

094 7/8b: "- - - those whose scale (of good) will be heavy - - -". This includes all kinds of thieving, lying, discrimination mongering, suppressing, enslaving, torture, rape, murder, etc. if it is done in the name of "Allah and His Prophet" during a Jihad - and practically every conflict and raid was and is claimed to be Jihad.

095 7/35d: "- - - on them (good Muslims*) shall be no fear nor shall they grieve". If the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about everything.

096 7/56d: "- - - call on (pray to*) Him (Allah*) - - - for the Mercy of Allah is (always) near to those who do good.

How can the claimed mercy of Allah come to light or have any effect, when everything already is predestined according to Allah's plan - a plan nobody and nothing can change according to the Quran?

097 7/56f: "- - - the Mercy of Allah is (always) near to those who do good". Does this include the Muslims living also in accordance with the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code?

098 7/56g: "- - - those who do good". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is meant in accordance with the book's own partly immoral moral code.

099 7/146h: "- - - right conduct - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code - good conduct was f.x. to raid for valuables, slaves and power for Muhammad.

100 7/157f: “- - - for he (Muhammad*) commands them (Muslims*) what is just, and forbids them what is evil”. The last statement is solidly contradicted both by reality and by the Quran. The book – not to mention Muhammad and his successors not only permitted but demanded murders and war, robbing and extortion, rape and enslavement, etc. It is possible to make such things “lawful” by sick laws. But there exists no way to make such inhumanities “good”, of “just” or “pure” – and this includes calling what in reality are raids for loot and slaves, or wars of aggression, for “self defense” or jihad (like Muslims have done legion times throughout history – often with a real but minor detail or made up arguments as pretext).

101 7/161c: "- - - those who do good". Muslims. Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

102 7/199a: “(Muhammad*) Hold to forgiveness (towards the “infidels”*). This verse is abrogated – made invalid - by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threats, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256 in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran". (At least 28 abrogations).

  1. Many non-Muslims - and Muslims - say that terrorists and others pick and choose and disuse the Quran when they hate and kill. But in reality it is the militants and the terrorists who are right: According to the surahs from Medina it is the peaceful Muslims who are not good Muslims - and the surahs from Medina mostly override the peaceful ones from Mecca as they are younger, like mentioned before. (As this book is meant to be one to open and find out things – an “encyclopedia” - we sometimes repeat essential information, so that readers do not have to search too much - in addition to that many things are repeated because the Quran often repeats and repeats and repeats itself, and we have to give the answers). But some mullahs, militants and terrorists really do know how to read the Quran correctly. And the horrible fact is: The militants do read it correctly (with the possible exception of self murder).
  2. Most of the verses telling about peaceful coexistence with and treatment of non-Muslims are found in the some 86 surahs from Mecca (610-622 AD). Practically all the bloody, suppressing, hate, rape, robbery (“lawful and good”) and war verses are from Medina (622-632 AD). That means that many or most of the peaceful ones are nullified by the much harsher ones from Medina, a fact which turned the religion into one of disgust and haughtiness towards others, and war and robbing and conquest - a religion that fitted the warring desert Arabs (by far the majority in Arabia at that time) most well (it is symptomatic that Muhammad did not start getting large quantities of followers until he stopped preaching peace, and started preaching robbing, stealing, slave taking, ”lawful and good” rape, suppression, war and riches and power also in this life - - - and abrogated the peaceful verses to get a warriors‘ and robbers‘ religion.)
  3. You will see that in many cases it is the same verses/points that are abrogated (and thus often at the same time are contradicted) by many other verses, and the other way around. The reason simply is that many or most of the harsh verses – mainly from Medina where Islam changed to a war religion – each abrogates and contradicts many or most of the same softer verses – mainly from the earlier time (the Mecca period).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

103 8/1i: "- - - obey Allah and His Prophet (Muhammad*) - - - if ye do believe". You were not a good Muslim and believer unless you obey Allah and Muhammad - which here on Earth just meant Muhammad.

104 8/66c: “- - - for Allah is with those who patiently persevere.” This is a pep talk all non-Muslims should forever remember - fanatic Muslim warriors never give in and never stop. And also: How many soldiers in the future did Spain kill by pulling out their few men from the East, and proving to Muslims just these words which are repeated and repeated in the Quran? - a proof that now may be strengthened by Australia pulling out, and by USA pulling out too early.

But a good and efficient pep-talk for Muslim warriors? Yes.

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######105 8/69a: “ "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, #######lawful and good - - -”. This is one more of the moral and ethical pinnacles in the Quran: Wage war, and then it is “lawful and good” to steal and rob and plunder - and rape the women and girl children and take slaves. It actually is connected to 8/68a above, but like so often in the Quran specific episodes, etc, is given general meaning.

But of course this made it easy and cheap for Muhammad and his successors to get warriors. That such behavior is a catastrophe for any and all victims - and in some cases set back the civilization may be some hundred years like in Persia/Iran - does not count, as non-Muslim “Untermench” ("sub-humans" in Nazi German) do not count.

This even more so as for fanatics nearly every situation they do not like, can be defined as war against Islam “in the widest meaning of the word” - not to mention that according to Islam’s definition all areas not dominated by Islam are “land of war”. Really a morally and ethical superior religion - compare f.x. to the silly and invalid "Do unto others like you want others do against you", which many religions and culture have as their "constitution". And really a peaceful one.

And honestly the word “good” in ”lawful and good” classifies Muhammad, the Quran and Islam. Laws can be twisted and remade and it is no problem for an absolute dictator to make what laws he wants and thus make things “lawful” – quotation marks used on purpose. But the word “good” is an absolute – flexible “borders”, but fundamentally an absolute. Allah’s/Muhammad’s real rules for behavior against all outsiders is way outside “good”, and the hypocrisy in the using of abrogated verses in the Quran to make outsiders believe something else, makes this aspect of the religion and its hypocrisy even more disgusting.

This quote also tells a lot about the person Muhammad.

########To us this is perhaps the most disgusting and revealing sentence in the entire Quran and the entire Islam.

Also: Combine this quote with Islam's slogan: "Islam is the Religion of Peace" and "Allah is good and benevolent" and weep - or laugh.

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106 8/69b: "- - - lawful and good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral code - sometimes very immoral.

#####107 8/69c: "- - - lawful and good - - -". If these words and the context it is taken from ("- - - enjoy what (loot, slaves, and women* + destruction and murder) ye took in war (normally of aggression*), lawful and good - - -", were all you knew about the Quran and Islam, this alone would be enough to remove it from the civilized world and transfer it to the dark, harsh, and inhuman Medieval ages or earlier. This even more so as this is not "abrogated" by today's Islam, but on the contrary preached and even practiced today (during armed conflicts) in some Islamic areas and groups.

108 8/69d: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral code - sometimes very immoral. In just this case the use of this word is a black joke compared to the fundamental sentence of all inter-human moral: "Do onto others like you want others do onto you".

##109 8/72d: “Those who believed - - - and fought for the Faith, with their property (= gave money - like many Muslims do even today*) and their persons (= went to war personally*), in the cause of Allah, as well as those who gave them (warriors, terrorists*) asylum and aid (like what a large numbers of Muslims do today also - at least giving money and sympathy and aid to “the cause” included terrorism*) - all these (are good Muslims*)”. Comments unnecessary. Except: One more strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

110 9/13d: “Will ye (Muslims*) not fight people who violated their oaths (like Muhammad did himself*), plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive lead by being the first (to assault) you?” The Quran says the best thing is to forgive - - - but why live according to one’s own words? To wage war and gain power for Muhammad and Islam is reality, the words are just words. And if you do not want to go to war, it is incredible! - you then are no good Muslim!!

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

111 9/14c: “Fight them (the not good Muslims*), and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame - - -.” This at least contradicts – and abrogates:

  1. 2/256: “Let there be no compulsion in Religion.”
  2. 00b 5/28: “If thou (“infidels”, Cain*) dost stretch thy hand against me (Muslims, Abel*), it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee - - -.” When you read this, remember that Muslims have few if any overall moral codes. What they have to do is to look for “What did Muhammad say about such things?” If he has said something, they take that as a codex – good moral or not. If not, they have to look in the book: “Is there a parallel situation somewhere?” If they find – sometimes by stretching imagination – that is the way to act, or the alibi for how one wishes to act. Mind also that this verse is one of the very few in all the Quran that is in accordance with the teachings of Jesus – one of the very few. And it is totally “murdered” by abrogations. This verse contradicts (and abrogates) at least these verses (here are 88 out of the 124 Muslim scholars say are abrogated by 9/5): 2/109, 2/190, 2/256, 2/272, 3/20, 4/62, 4/81, 4/90, 5/3, 5/28, 5/48, 5/99, 6/60, 6/66, 6/70, 6/104, 6/107, 6/112, 6/158, 7/87, 7/188, 7/193, 7/199, 8/61, 9/68, 10/41, 10/99, 10/102, 10/108, 11/12, 11/121, 13/40, 15/3, 15/94, 16/35, 16/82, 16/125, 16/126, 16/127, 17/54, 18/29, 18/56, 19/39, 20/130, 21/107, 21/112, 22/49, 22/68, 23/54, 23/96, 24/54, 26/216, 27/92, 28/50, 28/55, 29/18, 29/46, 32/30, 34/25, 34/28, 35/23, 35/24a, 36/17, 39/41, 41/34, 42/6, 42/15, 42/48, 43/83, 43/89, 44/59, 45/14, 46/9, 46/135a, 46/135b, 46/135b, 50/39, 50/45, 51/50-51, 51/54, 52/45, 52/47, 53/29, 67/26, 73/10, 73/11, 79/45, 86/17, 88/22, 109/6. They are all quoted under 9/5 . (At least 91 contradictions).

Where is the logic in that an omnipotent, good and benevolent needed his followers to punish - and by means of terror, suppression and blood - his non-believers? The need for help does not correspond to his claimed mighty power, and the inhuman ways it was done far from corresponds with his claimed goodness and benevolence.

###Where there are disagreements between words and reality, we always believe in the reality. Words easily are propaganda or bluffs, reality is reliable.

##112 9/19h: “They (Muslims doing good deeds*) are not comparable in the sight of Allah (with the ones killing/waging raids/war for Muhammad/Allah*)”. Terrorists and others using weapons and murdering for Allah, are the best Muslims.

Guess if verses like these do their work on some single-minded or fanatic Muslims. Who said “there are verses in the Quran that can be disused for war and terror”? Wrong: It hardly is possible to be a really pious Muslim without using weapons against non-Muslims.

###Yet another 120% proof for that Yahweh an Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion: The differences are too many, too deep, and too fundamental (except perhaps if the god is deeply schizophrenic, helpless and sadistic).

##113 9/19i: “They (Muslims doing good deeds*) are not comparable in the sight of Allah (with the ones killing/waging raids/war for Muhammad/Allah*)”. Terrorists and others using weapons and murdering for Allah, are the best Muslims. See 9/19h above.

Combine this quote with Islam's slogan: "Islam is the Religion of Peace" and weep - or laugh.

114 9/75d: "- - - they (some good Muslims*) would give (largely) in charity - - -". This stressing of charity is one of the - too few - good sides of Islam. But the fact that charity also is for forwarding Islam also by means of armed strife and war, gives the point a not tasty second taste.

115 9/88e: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper". Often claimed, never proved. Two of the many cheap and not documented claims in the Quran.

116 9/99h: "- - - soon will Allah admit them (good Muslims*) to his Mercy (paradise*)". Often claimed, never proved. And as for Allah's mercy, see 1/1a above.

117 9/100d: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) hath He (Allah*) prepared Gardens under which rivers flow (= Paradise*) - - -". Claimed MANY times, never documented. Not true unless Allah exists and is a powerful god - and not unless the Quran in addition has told the full truth and only the truth about this. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

Also remember that the big and fundamental differences between the Bible's Paradise and the one of the Quran, are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

118 9/104c: "- - - (Allah*) doth accept their (Muslim's*) gifts of charity - - -". As mentioned before the stressing on charity is one of (the not too many) good sides with Muhammad's teaching. But this sentence touches one of the weak spots of the Quran's charity: The main thing is not to help persons in distress, but to gain points in Heaven.

119 9/112c: "- - - enjoin good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

120 9/120m: “- - - (suffered*) in the Cause of Allah, or trod paths to raise the ire (not in self defense*!!!) of the Unbelievers, or received any injury whatever from an enemy. For Allah suffered not the reward to be lost to those who do good - “. To wage war, with all the destruction and suffering that means, is to do good things in the eyes of Allah and Islam/the Quran. And those of Muhammad.

Make your own comments. Think your own thoughts.

Allah = Yahweh? Only if the god is schizophrenic.

121 9/120n: "- - - for Allah suffereth not for the reward to be lost for those who do good - - -". If he exists. If he is a major god. And if the Quran describes him correctly.<7p>

122 9/120o: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like these, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

123 9/126b: "See they (Muslims*) not that they are tried every year once or twice?" In reality more often - at least the Muslims. The war period under Muhammad was from some time after he arrived in Medina in 622 AD, till he died in 632 AD. During that time it is said there were 82 armed "incidents" ( http://www.1000mistakes.com names 63 of them) - by far most of them were raids for stealing valuables and taking prisoners for slaves or extortion. Split over some 10 years that means 6 - 8 "armed incidents" a year - every second month or a bit more - and practically always the aggression were from Islam - not untypical for this religion. If you took part in all of them (which hardly anyone did) that meant you were tested not once or twice a year, but 6 - 8 times a year. And if you survived - which most of them did - they became rich. Or at least richer than before. (If they survived and were not crippled.)

But we have never in all our reading - old or new Islamic literature - or debating, seen or heard one single sentence or thought about what terror, catastrophe, or destruction this meant to all its victims - only the heroism of the destructors. Even today Islam is too primitive to see anything but the glory of "our" victories.

We do hope none of the Muslims in our neighborhood thinks like that. The problem is that many Muslim terrorists also were thought to be good persons before they started terrorism - it is not possible to know who the few are. How do you see the difference between a human and an inhuman Muslim? Like the ones who filmed victims they burned alive or beheaded or in other ways murdered.

124 10/12c: "Thus does the deeds of the transgressors seem fair in their (non-Muslims'*) eyes". Comment to this in (YA1400): "Those without Faith (= non-Muslims*) are selfish - - - (and) - - - They do not see their own faults." Muslims "forget" that this also goes for them: This may also be the reason why Muslims - often very honestly - are unable to see f.x. the horrors in their war religion, or the immoral - often highly immoral - sides of their moral code, etc. They have so often been told that this and this is just and right and glorious, that it simply feels right for them. And when then Islam has no moral philosophy - thinking - they also never learn to think over such things over.

125 10/26a: "To those who do right is a goodly (reward) - - -" - especially if you have gone on raid or to war for Muhammad - or his successors. Because battles give more merit than anything in Heaven in the "religion of peace".

126 10/26d: "- - - they (good Muslims*) will abide therein (in Paradise*) (for aye)!". But 11/108c may indicate it is not quite forever.

127 11/11a: "Not so (go wrong*) those who (good Muslims*) show patience and constancy, and work righteousness; for them is forgiveness (of sins) and a great reward". This is the ideal for Muslims according to the Quran - but remember that war and suppression are among the top duties, and that the Islamic moral is such that ultimate idol is the stealing/robbing, extorting, enslaving, womanizing, raping, distaste and war mongering, murdering man Muhammad - a man who on top of all had so little respect for the truth that he more or less institutionalized al-Taqiyya (lawful lie) and Kitman (lawful half-truth - or perhaps an as correct definition is that you can tell lies, but make mental reservations inside you, and thus do not sin) and according to the Quran advised even breaking your oaths (and can you break oaths, you also can break weaker promises and words) if that gave a better result. (The Quran also contains a few obvious lies he made - f.x. that miracles would make no-one believe, a claim any intelligent man knows is untrue.)

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

128 11/11c: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) is forgiveness - - -". There only are two who can forgive - the victim and a god. Thus Allah only can forgive if he exists and is a god.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

129 11/84f: "And give not short measure and weight - - -". One of the (few?) good moral rules in the Quran, is the demand for honesty in trade - though the fact that it some places is said you shall not cheat Muslims, to some - or many? - weak souls may indicate that to cheat non-Muslims does not count too much (do not ask a sailor about his opinion about "Arab salesmen" - he may answer in too strong words for your ears).

130 11/108c: (A11/133 – in 2008 edition A11/134): “They (the good Muslims*) will dwell therein (heaven) ######for all the time that the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth endure”. What does this mean? The heaven is forever and the Earth until the Day of Doom according to many verses in the Quran. Will they dwell there only as long as the Earth exists, or - - -? In old Arab – so old that f.x. Tabari had to explain – (translated from Swedish): “- - - as long as heaven and Earth exists - - -“ means forever. And that is good and well - - - except for that Islam then has to explain if this means that also Earth will exist forever, and in case how the Earth can exist forever, when the Quran tells that Earth as we know it, will be finished at the Last Day. The Quran has a most complicated way of using such “a plain and easily understood language that no-one can misunderstand it.” And, yes, these variants also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has/have more than one meaning.

131 11/108e: (A11/134 – in 2008 edition A11/135): (Good Muslims will stay in heaven forever), “except as thy Lord (Allah*) willeth - - -.” Exactly nobody knows or understands what this means - the last part of the sentence is explained nowhere in the Quran. The same words are used about Hell in 11/107b (and similar in 6/128c, 11/107b, 43/74b-c, 78/23, plus some Hadiths), and some Muslim thinkers say it may mean that perhaps Hell will not last forever - at least not for all its inmates. Can Heaven come to an end? Can it change? Can it become ever better? Or what? Islamic scholars are bound by duty and indoctrination – and by lack of training in critical thinking - to be optimists, and promises that nothing will happen “unless Allah wills to bestow on them a yet greater reward (which will not take much – the Muslim heaven mainly is materialism and sex, and for women only materialism mostly because of all the houris who compete with them*) (Razi). But not one single soul has ever been able to do anything but guessing and hoping when it comes to this sentence. And as said before these variants also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has/have more than one meaning – or here: No clear meaning.

132 11//114c: "- - - good - - - evil - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like these, it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

133 12/56c: "- - - We (Allah*) suffer not , to be lost, the reward of those who do good". If he exists and is a major god. And if the Quran has described him correctly.

134 12/56d: "- - - do good". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

135 12/101g: "- - - the righteous". Good Muslims according to "Quran-speak".

136 13/6e: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

137 13/19a: "(Is a good Muslim*) like one who is blind?" Blind belief often is stronger blindness than blind eyes. Besides: Who is worst off - the one blindly believing in wrong facts like Muslims, or the one checking his facts?

138 13/19f: "(Is a good Muslim not better than') one who is blind?" A rhetoric question with an intended obvious answer. But the correct answer is completely dependent on two other questions and their answers: Is the Quran from a god? - and does it in addition tell the full truth and only the truth?

139 13/19g: "(Is a good Muslim not better than') one who is blind?" The recurring question: Who is most blind ? - the one with little knowledge but honestly searching the truth, or the one with wrong knowledge?

140 13/19-22: In these verses are listed some of the good things which characterize a good Muslim - the black "good" sides of a good Muslim are omitted.

141 14/24-25: This must be understood like if a man brings forth good deeds, he will receive admonition. And of course the best of deeds was to go to war when Muhammad wanted.

142 16/30g: "Those who do good - - -". Muslims - only Muslims really do good according to the Quran.

143 16/30-32: “To those (Muslims*) who do good, there is good in this world (sometimes*), and the Home of the Hereafter (Paradise*) is even better; and excellent indeed is the Home of the righteous – Gardens of Eternity which they will enter: beneath them flow (pleasant) rivers - - -”. The promise is: A nice, Earth-like Paradise (see 10/9f above) for eternity. But as there is no god behind the Quran and all its mistakes, it is an open question how much the promise is worth. What is sure, though, is that the many and fundamental differences between Yahweh's and Allah's paradises alone prove 100+% that the two are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradise had been one and the same.

144 16/31g: "- - - the righteous - - -". Good Muslims.

145 16/31h: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

###146 16/32d: "- - - enter ye (Muslims*) the Garden, because of (the good) which ye did (in the world)". Ones more serious difference between Yahweh and Allah: In the Bible you do not enter Paradise so much because of your good deeds - though they count - as because of the goodness of Yahweh, who forgives your bad deeds. In the Quran your good and bad deeds are weighted on a scale against each other (even though you can pray for forgiveness - but for unclear purposes, as for one thing Allah has predestined your destination, and for another nothing can change his predestined Plan, both facts according to many statements in the Quran), whereas in the Bible honest remorse and prayers for forgiveness removes the "debt of sins" and open the gate of Paradise.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not, many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

147 16/32f: "- - - (the good) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

148 16/41d: "(Good Muslims*) We (Allah*) will assuredly give a goodly home in this world; but truly the reward in the Hereafter will be greater". This is a pep-talk to Muhammad's followers in a difficult time. This surah is from 622 AD, shortly before Muhammad had to flee the town - good words are cheap, but often helps the spirit. Some of it even became true, as a number of his followers later gained riches and power from stealing/robbing, extortion, and enslaving.

149 16/41e: "(Good Muslims*) We (Allah*) will assuredly give a goodly home in this world; but truly the reward in the Hereafter will be greater". Once more: Yes, if Allah exists, is a major god and is correctly described in the Quran. If he does not exist, not to mention if he exists, but belongs to the dark forces, the answer will be different.

150 16/41i: "If they (good Muslims*) only realized (this (that they will be rewarded))!" #####You cannot realize something unless it is true and proved - you can believe, but not realize.

151 16/90c: “- - - and He (Allah*) forbids shameful deeds - - -.” Strongly contradicted by f.x.:

2/230: “So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), he cannot, after that, remarry her until after she has married another husband (and “fulfilled” that marriage*) and he has divorced her.” This situation is not often to meet, but it does happen. It is a most shameful deed in those cases to force the woman to prostitute herself to be permitted to go back to her husband.

Not to mention that 16/90 is contradicted by some of the “moral” rules in the Quran: Stealing/robbing, discrimination, enslavement, rape, murder, war, etc. – all “lawful and good” if you in some way can claim you do it in the name of a benevolent, good god. Or the rule that a raped woman who cannot produce 4 male witnesses who have seen the actual act – and will be punished for not helping her in case – is to be strictly punished for illegal sex. Most likely the most unjust and shameful law we have ever heard about.

152 16/91a: "Fulfill the Covenant of Allah when ye have entered into it- - -". = Be good and obedient - included in going to war - when you have become a Muslim. But there is nowhere in the Quran stated if and when Allah made a covenant with the Muslims, or the contents of it.

153 16/96d: "And We (Allah*) will certainly bestow - - - (on Muslims*) - - - their reward according to the best of their actions." One more difference between Yahweh and Allah: For Yahweh regretting sins and asking for forgiveness counts more than the good deeds. For Allah it is mainly the balance between good (sometimes "good") and bad deeds which counts. A plus for leaders on Earth who wanted action.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

154 16/97e: "- - - to him (the good Muslim*) will We (Allah*) give a new Life - - -". Again this interesting, but ever so cheap promise from a claimed god who never was able to prove he had the power neither of creation, nor of recreation - yes, not even prove his own existence or Muhammad's connection to a god.

155 16/128a: "For Allah is with those who restrain themselves and do good". Only if he exists and is a god.

156 16/128c: "- - - do good". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

157 17/11: "- - - good - - - evil - - -". Beware that this is in comparison to the rather special Quranic moral code.

158 17/11a: "The prayer man should make for good, he maketh for evil". Please take a look at the Quran's and Islam's (also today's Islam) code of moral - and remember the golden rule: "Do to others like you want others do to you". Also read some modern Islamic literature meant for the Muslim masses. This quote in the Quran seems to be very correct.

159 17/19c: "- - - they (the good Muslims*) are the ones whose striving is acceptable (to Allah)". But if now Allah does not exist - and too much indicates that (f.x. the fact that the Quran is from no god) - will then a religion built on Muhammad's war ideology, ethical and moral codes, etc., make them acceptable for another god if there all the same is a next life? - f.x. Yahweh? Or for Allah if he exists but is lied about in the Quran? - f.x. all the wrong information = lies.

160 17/23c: “Thy Lord (Allah*) hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents.” This last part actually is strongly contradicted by 6/151 which prohibits you from being kind to your parents. (We honestly think the words in 6/151 represent an accident during f.x. the Uthman’s edition of the book. But it is a clear and strong contradiction - and how many more "accidents" are there in the Quran?).

  1. 6/151: This is a really strange contradiction: “Come, I (Muhammad*) will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from – - (to*) - - be good to your parents - - -.” Read it once more: You are prohibited from being good to your parents!! – the opposite of what is said everywhere else in the book and contradicts it strongly. The Muslim sources we have found, all agree on that this is wrong – and actually we agree with them – this is so far out of the Quran’s style, that it must have been an accident and wrong. (It also in the same verse is prohibited "not to kill your children" if you are poor - also an obvious mistake and contradiction of the rest of the Quran).

     

    But this means that here you have a (actually 2) clear mistake(s) in the Quran – certified by Islam as a mistake – to serve for free to any Muslim or non-Muslim claiming that the book is perfect and without mistakes “to the last comma”. Just ask them if they have ever red 6/151? (And ask if they are aware of that the comma did not exist in Arab when the Quran was written around 650 AD).

    And: When this is wrong – how much more is wrong in the book?

    It may have meaning, though, if the Quran here had been talking about "infidel" parents, but the book here is not doing so - and actually Muhammad said you should be kind to your parents even if they were non-Muslims. But we include:

  2. 9/23: “Take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith (= if they are not Muslims).
  3. 58/22: “Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons - - -.” (You find similar rules in extreme sects even today. The rationale behind such rules, is to cut as many as possible of sources of balanced or correcting information, to hinder that the one-sided propaganda from the sect is contradicted and nullified by facts.)

These are ugly verses. But as it is possible to be superficially kind to your parents (only superficially, as the main thing that counts for many parents – the love from their children – is gone), even if you are prohibited from loving them, this is a borderline case. We include it partly because it is so ugly and inhuman and tells so much about extreme sects and religions like Islam, and partly because it in reality is nearly impossible to be really kind to them if you are ordered to keep them away from you as humans.)

161 17/26a: One of the good points in Islam - for after all there are a few good points, too - is the insistence on helping the poor. There are some very telling aspects to this side of Islam, though:

1. The one and only reason given for such kindness to others, is to gain merit from Allah. In many other religions the main point is empathy with the ones in difficulties - and the merit in Heaven is just a welcome extra plus. In the Quran "I" - my gaining of merit - am/is the central person/thing and the one moral reason. In f.x. the NT the care for and empathy with fellow humans is in the center for the moral behind your act, and the merit with Yahweh just a good, but after all secondary reason. You do not have to be much of a philosopher to see there is quite a difference here - but then all philosophy in Islam finally died in 1095 AD with the famous and infamous book against philosophy - thinking new thoughts - "The Incoherence of the Philosophers" by "the greatest Muslim after Muhammad", al-Ghazali, after a long starvation (well, it lingered on for about 100 more years in the far west - but from then on there came not one single new idea or new thought which could benefit man until far into the 20th century from the entire Islamic world). To say the least of it: There is a moral difference between: "I help others because I benefit from it", and: "I help others because I feel empathy with them".

2. In Islam also you gain just the same merit from helping your own nearest family - wife and children and other close relatives - as from helping strangers. Then why help strangers? - at least not until your family has got everything they need. In many other religions to help your nearest is a duty and a matter of course, and only to help the ones outside your nearest family are genuinely good deeds. This difference in the roots of the moral thinking may be one of the reasons why NGO help organizations are weaker in Muslim areas than many other places. To quote Turks after a really bad earthquake some years ago: "From where did we get help when we really needed it? Not from our Muslim brothers, but from the West - even from (their partly enemy*) Greece!" (This was one of the arguments in Turkey for wanting into Europe. It seems to be difficult though - anti-EU in Turkey names the European reluctance to accept Turkey as a member in EU with bad names, but the real reasons are genuine fear for Islam's aggressive sides and as genuine fear and honest distaste for too many of Islam's ethical and (im)moral ideologies - Europe paid a terrible price to get rid of Nazism, and not a little to make an end to Fascism and Communism and helped with ending Apartheid - they are very reluctant to accepting a new and very strong ideology built on the same kind of elitism ("are non-Muslims worth half of a Muslim or less" - modern Pakistani scholars. "Islam shall be the dominant religion and all others be suppressed and pay zakat (extra tax*) with willing submission" - the Quran. Etc.). But that is another debate.

3. In Islam the duty to help other only exists for the ones who can afford it - do not use too much of your wealth for helping others ("squander not (your wealth) - - - (like*) - - - a spendthrift" to quote just this verse in the Quran, and in the next - 17/27 - "Verily spendthrifts are brothers of the Satans - - -" ). In f.x. NT the central question only is: "Does he/she need help?" and "Love your fellow human" - see f.x. the story about the old widow and the small coin (Mark. 12/41-44). In Islam "I" am the central one again, in NT the central words are "Love" and "Fellow humans" (the word "love" hardly exists in the Quran, except in connection to members of your closest family). Also here are fundamental differences in the ideology behind the basics of the moral and ethics.(Actually the quoted words are very telling about the difference on these points between the Quran and NT - Allah and Yahweh so definitely are not the same god - - - and Muhammad and Jesus as surely not from the same line of prophets, as their moral and their teachings are too different. (To be from the same line of prophets, every new prophet has to build on what the former prophets in the line said and thought and did - Muhammad thus does not belong in Yahweh's line of prophets/messengers (in addition to that he was no real prophet - he had not the gift of being able to make prophesies.))

4. There also is another serious moral difference between the Quran and the Bible: The Quran tells that the main thing with helping the poor and others, is to gain merit in Heaven for the future next life. The Bible also tells that the help itself has a meaning - empathy with the unlucky ones is something valuable, and so is betterment for a fellow human being.

162 17/71e: "- - - they (the good Muslims*) will not be dealt with unjustly in the least". Not if Allah exists and the Quran is correct.

163 18/2j: "- - - wherein they (good Muslims*) shall have a goodly reward - - -". A never proved claim which is dependent on that Allah really exists, that he is behind the Quran, and that the Quran in addition speaks only and the full truth at least on this point. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.) There also is the question one meets in 11/108c above.

164 18/3: "- - - wherein (Paradise*) they (good Muslims*) shall remain forever". See 11/108c which indicates it may be it is not quite forever.

165 18/30b: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that this is compared to the Quran's partly immoral and unjust code of moral, laws and codes for honesty and for war.

166 18/30c: "- - - verily We (Allah*) shall not suffer (good Muslims*) to perish the reward - - -". With all the mistakes in the Quran it is difficult to know what is verity and what not. It definitely is no proved verity/truth.

167 18/30e: "We (Allah) shall not suffer to perish the reward of any who do a (single) righteous deed". Note that in the Quran it is mainly the balance of good and bad deeds which will decide if you will end in Paradise of Hell. In NT the love of Yahweh towards an honestly repenting and regretting sinner counts heavily. (But the Muhammad needed warriors, and waging war for Muhammad/Allah was and is the best of deeds in the Quran.) Also here it is clear that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

168 18/30g: This verse is one of the many promising Paradise to good and obedient Muslims. It is valid if Allah exists, if the Quran is from him, and if the Quran is fully truthful concerning this point.

169 18/46b: "- - - but the things that endure, Good Deeds, are the best in the sight of thy (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". And as the best of all deeds were to go on raids or to war for riches, captives/extortion and power for Muhammad/Allah, may be Muhammad also liked these words?

170 18/46c: "- - - Good Deeds - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. f.x. some of the very best deeds are to fight and kill and steal for Muhammad and for his successors.

171 18/46d: "- - - Good Deeds, are - - - best as (the foundation for) hopes (about Paradise*)". See 18/46b above.

According to the Bible the best foundation is grace and forgiving from Yahweh. Second likely is honest belief and will and wish to live accordingly. Good deeds may be number 3. One of the many clear indications for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

172 18/82: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that this is compared to Muhammad's somewhat special (im)moral code.

173 18/88a: "But whoever believes (= is a good Muslim - only Muslims believe according to the Quran*) - - - he shall have a goodly reward - - -". Here the polytheist war king Alexander the Great is claimed to be a good Muslim who wants to reward other good Muslims nearly 1000 years before the first known Muslim, Muhammad. Believe it if you want. Anyone who knows history may have a good laugh.

174 19/60d: "- - - (good Muslims*) will not be wronged in the least - - -". If Allah exists and is a major god, and if everything is correctly described in the Quran. The question may be different if the Quran is a made up book - and it at least is not from any god with all its errors.

175 19/63b: "Such is the Garden We (Allah*) give (to good Muslims*) - - -". It is very different from the garden given to believers in Yahweh, according to the Bible - VERY different. One of the at least 110% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

176 19/76c: "- - - Good Deeds - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code - f.x. are going on raids and to war and steal, kill and suppress for the benevolent and good god Allah, for Muhammad and for his successors, among the very best deeds, and to rape female victims included children (at least down to 9 years old) is "lawful and good".

177 20/15e: "- - - every soul to receive its reward by the measure of its Endeavour". In the Quran a main question for the claimed next life is the balance of your good contra bad deeds - and the best of deeds was to go to war for Muhammad (Allah?) and destroy, steal, take captives for extortion, etc., and later also to force Islam on them and Iblis take the abrogated flagship 2/256: "Let there be no compulsion in religion". In especially NT the main way to salvation is the love and forgiving from Yahweh, as much as good deeds, though they count.

178 20/76d: "- - - they (good Muslims*) will dwell therein (Paradise*) for aye - - -". See 20/76b and 11/108c above.

079 21/13: "- - - good things - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

180 21/35b: "- - - evil - - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like these, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

181 21/73c: "- - - good deeds - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

182 21/73f: "- - - regular charity - - -". One of the plusses for the Quran is its stressing of charity. The "good marks" are, however, reduced some because for one thing the main point is not to help others, but to gain merit in Heaven, and for another that you gain as much merit from helping your nearest family as from helping strangers - then why help strangers? - oh, it is done, but it is not too high on the priority list for everyone.

183 21/101: "- - - Good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

184 22/10a: "- - - the deeds which thy hands sent forth - - -". = Your good and bad deeds in life - here like many other places in the Quran your deeds are claimed to be decided from your free will, in spite of all the clear statements about Allah's predestination of absolutely everything.

##185 22/30c: "- - - for him (who practice the pilgrimage rites*) it is good in the sight of his Lord (Allah*) - - -". Such an idea is totally foreign to the Bible - and even more so that Mecca is holy place to the god. A 100% and more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. In addition there are all the other proofs for the same.

186 22/34f: "- - - those who humble themselves - - -". Good Muslims.

187 22/50c: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) is forgiveness - - -". Only if Allah exists and is a major and a benevolent god - only the victim or a god can forgive.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

188 22/58a: This is one of the verses from 624 AD: "Those who leave their home in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die - on them will Allah bestow, verily, a goodly Provision (Paradise*) - - -". This is the flagship of the revised (mainly during 622-624 AD) Islam: Be killed in war for the religion, and you go directly to the paradise, no matter how big a sinner you are. A very good claim - though never proved - for Muhammad and later warlike rulers. It definitely is no proved verity/truth.

There is nothing similar in the Bible.

189 22/58b: This is one of the verses from 624 AD: "Those who leave their home in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die - on them will Allah bestow, verily, a goodly Provision (Paradise*) - - -". Why did it take 14 years from Muhammad started his mission till he mentioned this for the first time, even though it is one of the central "facts" in the revised Islam?

(Beware, though, that even though Muhammad started his mission in 610, he was not very active outside his family and nearest ones the first some 4 years. But he did not mention the above until he started needing warriors.)

##190 22/58c: "Those who leave their home in the cause of Allah, and are then slain or die - on them will Allah bestow, verily, a goodly Provision (Paradise*) - - -". Except for real martyrs (the Quran calls everything martyrs, included aggressive warriors, terrorists, and whatever) guess if here is a difference between Yahweh and Allah, between Jesus and Muhammad! Not the same god and not the same kind of representatives on Earth by far - and Jesus and Muhammad definitely not in the same religion.

191 22/58d: "- - - on them (Muslims killed for Muhammad*) will Allah bestow, verily, a goodly provision - - -". If he exists, if he is a major war god, and if the Quran has told the truth and only the truth about this.

192 22/77c: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is relative to the book's partly immoral moral code - where f.x. stealing/robbing, lying, suppressing, enslaving, killing in the name of Allah, are the best of good deeds. "Do unto others like you want others do unto you" is not an essential sentence in the Quran's moral code.

193 23/4: "- - - active in deeds of charity". The Quran's standpoint when it comes to charity is one of its (too few) positive sides. This aspect is weakened, though, by 2 facts: One is that the reason for charity mainly is not empathy or sympathy with the ones who need help, but the wish to gain points in Heaven. The other is that you get the same points from Allah if you help your wife or son, as when you help others - and then why help others?

#194 23/5+6a: “(Those Muslims are good*) Who abstains from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, ####or (the captives) whom your right hand possess - for (in their case) they are free from blame”. Catch a girl and make her your captive - and you are free from any blame if you rape her - or gang-rape her - or make more women your captives and rape them, too - or exchange girls with your mates every half hour or day or week. A slave is a slave - and spoils of war you take “just and good”, according to the Quran and Islam. We sometimes wonder if this is the reason for so much mass rape sometimes when Muslims wage war - Darfur and Bangladesh are/were examples to remember. Forget that the women are humans - take them captive and you are free to rape them without any blame. Really a good religion. And we do not mention the word empathy - it is something you hardly find in the Quran. Probably one of the most rotten points in any somewhat civilized pretended moral code.

But it brought Muhammad cheap highwaymen and later cheap warriors.

It is verses like this - and worse - which make people with normal moral codes - codes in reasonable nearness to "do to others like you want others do to you" - sometimes want to puke over the Quran and over Islam.

195 23/5+6b: “(Those Muslims are good*) Who abstains from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, ####or (the captives) whom your right hand possess - for (in their case) they are free from blame (if they rape them - included children!!)”. Part of the basis for the sharia laws.

Yes, it is verses like this - and worse - which make people with normal moral codes - codes in reasonable nearness to "do to others like you want others do to you" - sometimes want to puke over the Quran and over Islam.

196 23/7-11: These (good Muslims) go to Paradise - - - if the Quran is from a god and in addition tells the truth on this point. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.) Also see 10/9f above.

197 23/7-11: These (good Muslims) go to Paradise - - - if the Quran is from a god and in addition tells the truth on this point. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.) Also see 10/9f above.

##198 23/9b: "- - - those who strictly guard their prayers - - -". The Quran has a central dogma which is confirmed many places in the Quran and in Hadiths: Allah predestines everything in this world - everything. This he does long time before it happens - years and decades and even more; 5 months before you are even born he according to Hadiths f.x. decides when you are going to die and whether you are going to end in Heaven or Hell. And his predestinations he makes according to his unchangeable Plan - a Plan nobody and nothing can change. This dogma was fine for Muhammad when he wanted to recruit warriors, which he needed lots and lots of after Islam was changed from a peaceful religion to a religion of war in 622 - 624 AD (Allah changed his mind about the value of peace and humanity contra war and power and terror and apartheid and stolen riches and slaves?)

But this is incompatible with at least 3 other central dogmas in the religion: Free will for man, forgiving, and effect of prayers:

The debated one is the dogma of free will for man. If Allah predestines everything, free will for man is an illusion, and humans are just puppets-on-a-string playing Allah's theater. But if that is the case, how can Allah punish sinners who have been forced by him to do what they did? - or for that case reward "good" persons who also just were playing their forced role? Muhammad needed the dogma of free will for man to be able to claim Allah was a just and good god who rewarded and punished justly. He needed that dogma and he launched it and he used it - - - but he never was able to explain how it could possibly be combined with the dogma about full predestination. And Islam has never been able to explain it - even today it is unexplained and unexplainable for Muslims. We quote A6/141 (English 2008 edition 6/143,comment to verse 6/149): “In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true.

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but for blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness. IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE. (Some Muslims try to "explain it with that the Quran just means partly free will, but that is just a joke. For one thing the Quran is very clear when it several places tells that Allah predestines everything, and then there is no room left for any even partly free will for man. And for another: Even partly free will for man will make reliable precognition and reliable predestination impossible for Allah - the laws of chaos sees to that. Full predestination for Allah is impossible even for gods to combine with even partly free will for man. In the immaterial realms of life there are things impossible even for omnipotent gods.

And the difficult point forgiving: It is not possible for Allah to forgive, unless he changes his Plan concerning you, unless he changes his Plan on that point - something the Quran straight out tells nobody and nothing can make him do.

Then there is the other conundrum: Full predestination and prayers. What is the mission of prayers - and for that case pilgrimage (hajj) and good deeds - if everything is predestined long before? If everything is predestined years and decades before, and according to a Plan nobody and nothing can change, also prayers can change nothing and have no value or meaning, and just are wasted time and effort.

Worse: If it is Allah who has predestined that you have to make a prayer and pray for so and so, what meaning and value does it then have for Allah, when he knows that your prayer just is a repetition of what he decided you should pray for and what to say in your prayer? Such a "prayer" - or "good deed" or "hajj" - tells nothing about you, and has little value for any sentient being, included for a god.

Also read about "regular prayers" - f.x. 22/78j.

199 23/61a: "It is these (Muslims*) who hasten in every good work - - -". A claim Islam will have to prove, especially on black background of historical facts.

200 23/61b: "- - - good work - - -". Beware that when words like this are used in the Quran, it is meant relative to the Quran's partly immoral moral code - the best of works was f.x. to wage war for Muhammad/Allah.

201 23/61c: "- - - these (Muslims*) who are foremost in them (good works*)". See 23/61a+b just above.

202 23/102: "- - - those whose balance (of good deeds) is heavy - - -". In Islam the main thing for being admitted to Paradise, is the balance between good and bad deeds, as opposed to especially Christianity, where the mercy of Yahweh and forgiveness counts a lot more heavily than in the Quran.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

203 24/11d: "- - - evil - - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

204 24/30a: "Say to the believing men that they should - - - guard their modesty - - -". - - - except when they rape captive - or slave - girls and women "lawful and good"? One of the most rotten and immoral laws which exist - NB exist, not only existed - on this planet. And made even more immoral and disgusting by the fact that to be lawful it must be done in the name of Allah (it only is lawful if you make her your slave or if the raping is done during/after jihad - holy war - - - but almost any conflict is jihad). One relevant(?) piece of information here: According to UN some 24 million persons today live as slaves or under slave-like conditions - a good percent of them in Muslim area.

205 24/33a: “And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if you know any good in them- - -”. This mostly was a sleeping paragraph, but as far as we have heard, it did happen now and then. We do not know of any western law in the really old times saying the same, but slaves sometimes were given their freedom and at least a few times got a chance to work themselves free also in the west. (Actually it f.x. happened among the Vikings that slaves were given the chance to work themselves free.) But from shortly after 1800 the movement for freeing the slaves rapidly grew in strength in the West. That is to say; at that time slavery "de facto" had been more or less abolished in Europe for centuries (it did not conflict with the words of the Bible, but all the same with the morality of that book), though often not formally prohibited.

And how did Islam f.x. make a forcibly castrated man - often Negroes - "man" again.

206 24/37b: "- - - regular Charity - - -". One of the good sides with the Quran, is its weight laying on charity. The moral value is reduced, however, by the fact that the main thing is not to help others, but to gain merit in Heaven, and also by the fact that you gain just as much merit from helping your nearest, as from helping strangers - which may move strangers far down on the priority list.

207 24/38a: "- - - Allah may reward them (good Muslims*) according to the best of their deeds - - -". Why, if it in reality is Allah and his predestination which has made them do it? Allah predestines absolutely everything according to his Plan - a plan no-one can change, according to the Quran.

208 24/38b: "- - - Allah may reward them (good Muslims*) according to the best of their deeds - - -". Everything also depends on if Allah exists and if he in case has supernatural power (and preferably not dark power). But how can Allah reward without making changes in his predestined Plan? - a plan nobody and nothing can change according to several points in the Quran.

209 25/3e "- - - hurt - - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this - at least when using them in the non-physical meaning - it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

210 25/24a: "The Companions of the Garden - - -". The good Muslims who will end in Paradise.

211 25/70b: "- - - evil - - - good- - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like these, it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

212 25/71a: "- - - does good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

213 25/72: Muslims. (The good ones in the Quran always are Muslims - the book is very "black and white" (a signature for cheap literature)).

214 25/74e: "- - - the righteous - - -". The good Muslims.

215 25/74f: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is relative to the same book's partly immoral moral code.

216 25/75a: "Those (the good Muslims*) are the ones who will be rewarded with the highest place in Heaven." If the Quran tells the full and only truth. If it is from a god. And if Allah exists and is a god.

217 26/181-183: One of the good things in the Quran, is demand for honesty in trade (though some places may indicate that it is worse to cheat Muslims than non-Muslims). But then there are facts like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumnavigating), deceit, broken promises/words/oaths it that gives a better result). Islam is the only one of the big religion which has dishonesty and worse as an integrated part of the religion. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

218 27/3c: "- - - regular charity - - -". One of the good aspects with the Quran is its weight laying on charity. But the moral effect is reduced by the fact that the main thing is not to help others, but to gain merit in Heaven, and by the fact that you gain as much merit from helping your nearest family, as from helping strangers - which often pushes strangers far down on the priority list.

219 27/11c: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

220 27/46b: "- - - evil - - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

##221 27/89a: "If any do good, good will (accrue) to them therefrom - - -". The good things you do here on Earth will accumulate and count in your favor at the Day of Doom. But beware that this also goes for bad deeds - and not least: What are good deeds and what are bad deeds in Islam, is not necessarily the same as in other religions. In spite of loud claims of being "the Religion of Peace", Islam is a war religion, and its ethical and moral codes are "adjusted" accordingly. It also is a very fascistic religion, which also influences its ideologies and its ethical and moral codes. Well, in the end it mainly will be the balance between your good and bad deeds which will decide whether you will end in Hell or Heaven - the goodness of Allah and forgiving counts, but it is not as essential as the love and goodness and forgiving of Yahweh in NT (there actually is little about love in the Quran, except some among close persons).

222 27/89b: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

223 27/89c: "- - - (those who do much good*) will be secure from terror that Day". See 27/89a+b above. If you f.x. have terrorized or killed enough non-Muslims in Jihad, you will be safe.

224 28/14a: "- - - We bestowed on him (Moses*) wisdom and knowledge: for thus do We reward those who do good". Simply wrong - you can be as good as the most goodhearted, and it does not influence your intelligence much. And you may be the incarnation of a sadist or cheater or thief or suppressor or robber baron or war lord or slave taker or mass murderer and still be intelligent. F.x. Muhammad was wise and intelligent (though with limited knowledge about too many subjects).

225 28/14c: "- - - those who do good". Beware that in the Quran words like this normally means people acting according to the Quran's partly immoral moral code.

226 28/47c: "- - - (the deeds) that their hands (in this case the Quraysh'*) have sent forth - - -". An Arab expression for the good and bad deeds you will be judged from at the Day of Doom. An Arabism - see 4/13d above.

227 28/54d: "- - - evil - - - Good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

228 28/80j: "- - - (good) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is relative to the book's own partly immoral moral code and hardly existing empathy.

229 28/83g: "- - - righteous". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is relative to the book's own partly immoral moral code and hardly existing empathy.

230 28/84a: “If any does good, the reward to him is better than his deed - - -". If the Quran tells the truth.

231 28/84b: “If any does good, the reward to him is better than his deed; but if any does evil, the doers of evil are only punished (to the extent) of their deeds.” It is not too difficult to reach Paradise for Muslims: Merits for good deeds are multiplied, and by a factor of up to 10 according to the Quran, whereas bad deeds only are valued once. And if you anyhow are on minus, you can always do some good deeds like lying, stealing or murdering or waging war/terrorism for the religion and get lots of merit from the benevolent Allah.

232 28/84c: “If any does good, the reward to him is better than his deed; but if any does evil, the doers of evil are only punished (to the extent) of their deeds.” Beware that your deeds counts more and the goodness and forgiving from the god is less central in the Quran than in NT.

233 28/84d: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is relative to the book's own partly immoral moral code and hardly existing empathy.

234 29/3f: "- - - good - - - bad - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it normally is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

235 29/7e: "- - - We (Allah*) shall reward them (good Muslims in the possible next life*) according to their best deeds (and the best deed for Muslims, is war or raids for Allah and Muhammad and his successors*)". This only is true if Allah exists and is a major god, and if the Quran in addition has told the full truth and only the truth on relevant points - and if he can reward/punish without changing his own unchangeable predestined Plan. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

236 29/8a: "We (Allah*) have enjoined on man kindness to parents - - -". Clearly contradicted by 6/151: "Come, I (Muhammad*) will rehearse what Allah (really) prohibited you from: - - - (among other things*) - - - be good to your parents". On the other hand 6/151 is one of the points in the Quran Muslim scholars agree on must be wrong. The Quran all other places says you shall be good to your parents (unless they denies you to become a Muslim).

237 29/9c: "- - - them (good Muslims*) shall We (Allah*) admit to the company of the Righteous". The ones who are going to end up in the Quran's Paradise - - - if the Quran tells the full and only truth. Also see 10/9f above.

238 29/9d: "- - - the Righteous - - -". Good Muslims.

239 29/58h: "- - - those who do (good) - - -". In the Quran this normally is another name for Muslims.

240 29/58i: "- - - do (good) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

241 30/15b: "- - - those who have believed and worked righteous deeds - - -". Who are they in reality? - the ones who have lived according to the Quran's demand - not words, but demands - ####or the ones who have lived according to the one and basic really good rule: "Do unto others what you want others do unto you"? - there are oceans and horrors between those two moral codes.

242 30/15d: "(In Paradise good Muslims*) shall be happy in a Mead of Delight". This "Mead of Delight" is described for ca. 1/3 of the population; the adult men. For women and children little is told. But adult men will experience pleasant weather and shade, peace, nothing to do and no work, high luxury and plenty of sex. This might be the ultimate dream for poor and primitive desert warriors, but is this really the best an omniscient and omnipotent god can do? Such a life f.x. must be extremely boring in the long run. And the contrast to Yahweh's paradise is striking: "(You*) will be like the angels in heaven". (f. x. Matt.22/30). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Only the difference in their paradises proves beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt that this is not the case. And then there are all the other differences proving the same in addition.

PS: Also women and children will end in Paradise if they qualify, but their existence there is little described.

243 30/15e: "(In Paradise good Muslims*) shall be happy in a Mead of Delight". Only true if there is the god Allah, and his Paradise is correctly described in the Quran.

244 30/43e: "- - - on that Day shall men be divided (in two)". Good Muslims and the rest simply.

245 30/44f: "- - - (good Muslims*) will spread their couch (of repose) for themselves (in heaven)". Only if the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth about this, and only if Allah in addition exists and is a major god.

246 30/44g: "- - - (good Muslims*) will spread their couch (of repose) for themselves (in heaven)". Some difference from "- - - they are like angels - - -", (f.x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). Yahweh and Allah the same god with so different paradises? You bet!

##247 30/53d: "- - - (Good Muslims*) submit (their wills in Islam (and to Muhammad*))". Well and good - but as the Quran with all its mistakes is not from any god, what then is Muhammad and Islam? - and to what - except leaders on Earth - then do Muslims submit their wills?

###248 30/56d: (YA3574): "The men of knowledge and faith knew all along of the true values - - -". Wrong, because man often is led astray by popular idea, old ways of thinking, etc. There are good values which are reckoned to be good. There are good values which are reckoned to be bad. There are things with no real value which may be reckoned in one religion or culture to be bad and in others to be good. And not least there are negative values which may be reckoned to be good. In Islam you will find a number of such wrongly evaluated values - not least of bad values reckoned to be good. Search f.x. in Islam's moral code, ethical code, war code, and in sharia, and you will find a number of negative values claimed to be good ones (and honestly believed to be good ones by many Muslims, because "everyone" tell them so). Just by comparing "do onto others what you want others do onto you" - the basis for all inter-human moral - with the mentioned codes and the sharia, and you will find a number of cases. And then there are all the other cases.

249 31/3c: "- - - Doers of Good - - -". Muslims. Further comments should be unnecessary about people living according to the Quran's partly immoral moral code.

250 31/3d: "- - - Good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is relative to the book's own partly immoral moral code. Compared to the one and fundamental "constitution" of all moral and all ethics and of moral and ethical rules: "Do unto others like you want others to do unto you", the Quran's - and thus Islam's - moral code is unethical and immoral a number of places, even horrible some places. (F.x. the best deeds were raids and wars in the name of Allah - most of them in reality for riches, slaves and power. Muslims defend this with that such behavior only is permitted during jihad - holy war. But that is no defense - doing it in the name of the god in reality makes stealing, rape, enslavement, torture, and murder even more despicable).

251 31/4d: "- - - (good Muslims have*) - - - the assurance of the Hereafter - - -". Only if Allah exists and has delivered the Quran, and the Quran in addition tells the full truth and only the truth.

252 31/5a: “These (Muslims*) are on (true) guidance (the Quran*) - - -“. A book with lots of mistakes, twisted arguments, as twisted logic, and dictated by a man of very suspect morality and defending and enlarging his platform of power – his self proclaimed religion – is no reliable guidance and of suspected truth. More proofs are needed to make this believable.

253 31/5e: "- - - (good Muslims*) are the ones who will prosper". Often claimed, never documented. Also see 31/5a above.

254 31/8c: "(For good Muslims*) there will be the Gardens of Bliss". If Allah exists and if the Quran in addition tells the full truth and only the truth about him. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

Also remember that the enormous differences between the Paradise of Yahweh and the one of Allah, are one of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. If they had been, their paradise had been one and the same.

255 31/8-9: "(For good Muslims*) there will be the Gardens of Bliss, to dwell therein". If Allah exists and if the Quran in addition tells the full truth and only the truth about him.

256 31/14a: "And We (Allah) have enjoined on man (to be good) to parents - - -". This strongly contradicts 6/151 which among other things says: "- - - I (Muhammad*) will rehearse what Allah hath really prohibited you (Muslims*) from: - - - be good to your parents - - -". But on the other hand 6/151 is one of the (19?) places in the Quran where Muslim scholars generally agree on that there is a mistake in the book. ("1000 Mistakes in the Quran" lists 15 of them).

257 31/20c: "- - - (Allah*) has made His bounties flow to you (Muslims*) in exceeding measures - - -". For one thing many a Muslim does not have material means and good life "in exceeding measures", and for another: Similar claim is put forth many places in the Quran, but never proved. On the contrary: Within a work or an area or both there normally is a correlation between your toil and your outcome - your bounty. This indicates it not a god, but your/somebody's work and/or background which decides how big your bounty will be, not a god.

258 31/22b: "- - - a doer of good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is relative to the book's own partly immoral moral code. Compared to the one and fundamental "constitution" of all inter human moral all ethics and of moral and ethical rules: "Do unto others like you want others to do unto you", the Quran's - and thus Islam's - moral code is unethical and immoral a number of places, even horrible some places. (F.x. the best deeds were raids and wars in the name of Allah - most of them in reality for riches, slaves and power. Muslims defend this with that such behavior only is permitted during jihad - holy war. But that is no defense - doing it in the name of the god in reality makes stealing, rape, enslavement, torture, and murder, etc. even more despicable).

259 31/24a: "We (Allah*) grant them (well off non-Muslims*) their pleasure for a while: in the end shall we drive them to their chastisement unrelenting." There is a saying: "Good luck is good, but others' bad luck is not too bad either" - especially when you are envious. Muhammad was a good knower of humans and utilized this psychological effect frequently. This also was Muhammad's standard explanation for why some "bad" persons had a good life whereas good Muslims sometimes had a bad one - Allah's unfathomable wisdom.

260 32/17c: "- - - a reward for their (good Muslims') (good) Deeds". Included robbing, suppressing, slave taking, and killing. See 32/14 above.

261 32/17d: "- - - a reward for their (good Muslims') (good) Deeds". If the Quran tells the full and only truth. Note one big difference between the Bible and the Quran. In the Bible and especially in NT good deeds count much, but forgiving is more central, in the Quran/Islam forgiving counts much, but good deeds are the central.

262 32/17e: "- - - (good) Deeds". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

263 32/19a: "For those who believe and do righteous deeds are Gardens as hospitable homes, for their (good) deeds". If Allah exists. If he is behind the Quran. If the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth.

Also remember that the many and deep differences between Yahweh's Paradise and the one of Allah, are one of the really strong proofs for that those two are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradises had been one and the same.

264 32/19e: "- - - (good) deeds - - -". See the remark to 32/12b and 32/19c above, and remember especially that the best of all good deeds according to the Quran, is to make raids and wars for stealing and raping and killing and enslaving for Allah - - - and for Muhammad and his successors.

#####265 33/19d: "Such men (who do not want to fight*) have no faith - - -.” What does it tell about Muhammad and Islam that they stated that unless you were a willing warrior, you were no good Muslim? Some contrast to propaganda about "Islam is the Religion of Peace"!! (But then few Muslims claim that ”Islam is the Religion of Honesty".)

266 33/27a: (Continued from 33/26 above): "And He (Allah*) made you heirs of their land, their houses, their goods, and of land ye had not frequented (before) - - -". Muhammad "on the war-path" stole everything - in this case (Medina) also their homes and land - - - in addition to making the women and children slaves and murdering the men (some 700 men and youths).

Muhammad was very different from Jesus. Very. And living in a totally different religion.

267 33/27b: “And He (Allah*) made you (Muslims*) heirs of their (Jews'*) land, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things”. Some rich spoils of war can justify much, and quiet many a man’s conscience - especially when a god sanctifies it. Could such things happen today or in the future? - we do not mention names like Darfur or Indonesia or East Timor or the Turks against Christian underlings around 1900 AD - f.x. in Armenia and Smyrna. It is accepted in the Quran as "lawful and good" and the Quran cannot be changed - a fact those forget who talks about liberalizing Islam. If Islam gains the upper hand, things like this may happen again, as it is part of the Quran's unchangeable and partly immoral moral code.

Muhammad was very different from Jesus. Very. And living in a totally different religion.

268 33/35f: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) has Allah prepared forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god (well, may be also if he belongs to the dark forces, but it is questionable what value the forgiveness in case has).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

269 33/35g: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) has Allah prepared - - - a great reward". If he exists and is a major god, and if he is like described in the Quran. Also see 10/9f above.

270 33/44b: "He (Allah*) has prepared for them (good Muslims*) a generous Reward". Impossible for Allah unless he exists and is something supernatural - white or dark.

271 33/47c: "- - - they (good Muslims*) shall have from Allah a very great Bounty". You find similar claims here and there in the Quran, not one of them is documented or in other ways proved fulfilled. Many claims, but not one proved case.

272 33/58a: “And those who annoy believing men and women undeservedly bear (on themselves) a calumny and a glaring sin.” But for Muslims to steal and extort from, rape, suppress, and murder non-Muslims without being provoked, was/is “lawful and good” as long as you can name it jihad – and anything is called jihad as long as the opponent is non-Muslim, not to mention Pagan. No doubt Muslims are something much better, yes.

Also note that prohibition only is for annoying Muslims.

273 33/71f: "- - - he that obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*), has already achieved the highest Achievement". No comment - except: Good psychology if the listeners are naive, uneducated or in more or less blind belief.

274 34/4b: (A34/3): “That He (Allah*) may reward those who believe and work deeds of righteousness - - -.” Yes – but where? Many or most scholars say “in Paradise” – this has the extra benefits that the promises of luxury can be bigger, and one does not have to explain why pious people often are not very well off. But others – like Razi – claims it is in this world, with the good feelings one have when one believes strongly, as the main benefit. The text itself is silent about the mystery. And these variants also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has more than one meaning.

275 34/4f: "(Allah gives good Muslims*) a Sustenance most Generous". One of the many not proved claims in the Quran. The poverty through the times and even today in many Muslim areas, prove this wrong if it is meant to be the case for this life. If it is meant the possible next life; big, not provable words are quite normal for Muhammad and the Quran. Also see 34/4a above.

276 34/37c: "- - - these are the ones for whom there is a multiple reward - - -". Good Muslims

277 34/37d: "- - - there is a multiple Reward for their (good Muslims'*) deeds - - -". The Quran some places tells that the value of good deeds will be multiplied at the Day of Doom. (Thus it is easy to be accepted to the Quran's paradise - see 10/9f above - IF the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth).

278 34/37e: "- - - secure they (good Muslims in the claimed next life*) (reside) in the dwellings on high!". Often claimed, never documented - - - and words are cheap, especially in a book not from any god".

279 35/8a: “Is he, then, to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring (non-Muslims*) - - - (equal to one who is 'rightly guided'*)?” Of course not - Muslims are much better, of course. This even though the famous Muslim al-Ghazali (1058 - 1111 AD) - "the greatest Muslim after Muhammad", according to Islam - marked the end of any new thinking in any science not helpful for Islam, in the eastern and central Muslim world with his book "The Incoherence of the Philosophers" against philosophy in 1095 AD. For more than 800 years there did not come one single new thought or idea bringing humanity forward in any kind of science, "humanoria" included, from the entire Muslim world, Maghreb/Spain excluded. (There the ability and freedom to think yourself lasted another ca. 100 years - the death of Ibn Rushd (Averroes) in 1198 can arbitrarily be said to mark the end there). Not one single new thought or new idea in over 800 years!!! Among now some 1.6 BILLION people!!! Yes, it has really to be said: It is difficult to match Muslims and Islam.

Actually new ideas some places for long times meant punishment or even death penalty, though after some time it was agreed on that new ideas building on the Quran and the Hadiths could be accepted, but all other ideas were “Bad new thoughts” and negative or even punishable.

Quite another point is that much of what the Quran makes alluring, good deeds, morally right, etc. collide head on with the essence of the fundamental moral code: "Do to others like you want others do to you". Compare the Quran's moral code - and the sharia laws - to this, and you will understand why some believe the real maker of the Quran, is the dark forces.

280 35/8d: “Is he, then, to whom the evil of his conduct is made alluring (non-Muslims*) - - - (equal to one who is rightly guided*)?” There is a serious question here: In the Quran there are a number of central rules and demands which are obviously bad - compare them to "do to others like you want others do to you". But they are made look like good and alluring by the texts in the book. Is he who believes in these verses which well may be made by a devil, to be reckoned among the evil ones? (these evil rules in the Quran are the reason why we cannot drop the possibility that the real originator is a devil - f.x. dressed up like Gabriel. This even though it is difficult for us to see how even a devil would make so many mistakes, etc. in an after all small book. He had to know he would be found out sooner or later.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

281 35/32g: "- - - some who are - - - foremost in good deeds - - -". Good Muslims.

##But it is an irony here that not the Muslims, but the Christians internationally are accepted to be the foremost in good deeds.

282 35/32i: "- - - good deeds - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

283 36/12d: "- - - that which they (people*) send before and that which they leave behind - - -". The good and bad deeds done in this life, from which Allah is going to judge whether to send you to Hell or Paradise - - - but this is contradicted by clear Hadiths telling that Allah decided on whether you are to end in Hell or Paradise when you were a 4 months old fetus = 5 months before you were born. (Sometimes Muhammad needed predestination to tell his warriors that war was not dangerous - you would not die until your time was up anyhow. But some places he needed free will for man, to give Allah a moral reason for why to punish you for real or claimed sins. He never was able to combine these two claims, and there are a number of mix-ups in the Quran. Also Islam of today is unable to combine the two claims, but quite lamely claims that both claims must be true, because Allah(?) says so in the Quran.)

284 37/131a: "- - - those who do right". Muslims - also Elijah was a good Muslim, according to the Quran. A strong contradiction to the Bible.

285 37/172a: "That they (good Muslims or messengers/prophets*) would certainly be assisted". This depends on if Allah exists and has the power to assist anybody - there is not reported one proved case of assistance from Allah in all history and before.

286 38/24c: "- - - good deeds of righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

287 38/47: "- - - the Good". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

##288 38/49b: "- - - the righteous - - -". The Muslims - all good persons the Quran uses from the Bible, included Jesus, were good Muslims.

##As also Jesus is claimed to have been a good Muslim, the claimed falsification of the Bible must have happened later - after the good Muslim(?) Jesus had learnt his OT and Gospels. Muslims often claim that it was Ezra - half a millennium before Jesus - who falsified the OT, but if that had been the truth, the claimed good and correctly believer (according to the Quran) Jesus studied a falsified OT (and a falsified Gospel? - in spite of the fact that Gospel did not and could not exist until later). We also would like to see the combined Jewish/Christian commission working on this falsification job and trying to agree on what to falsify and what not - especially about Jesus.

Another point is that a good Muslim like Jesus hardly studied falsified books - this even more so if he got his copy from Allah/Heaven like Islam tells all prophets received. It is very clear that Jesus read from the books in the Temple and in the synagogues he visited, which means that those books were not falsified - if they had been the good Muslim Jesus had seen that they differed MUCH from his own copy of "the Mother of the Book"/the Quran, as there are enormous differences between the old Jewish scriptures/OT (and NT) and the Quran. As Jesus did not protest to the texts in the synagogues, this thus means they were not falsified. This means that they must have been falsified later. This again means that also this proves it was not Ezra who falsified OT. Muslims and Islam are very good at finding "explanations" for errors and difficult points in the Quran, but all too often overlook or "forget" aspects with the question or with related facts which make their "explanation" impossible. Go looking and you will find this ever so often in Islamic debate and literature, also from persons so well educated that it is impossible they do not know those other killing aspects and/or facts. But then dishonesty is an accepted working tool by Islam - al Taqiyya (the lawful lie) just to mention one kind of lawful dishonesty.

OT simply was not falsified by Ezra. And as the good Muslim Jesus studied and taught from OT/the old Jewish scriptures, OT cannot have been falsified until after Jesus had finished his teaching. And how to make f.x. Jews and Christians agree on what to falsify f.x. about Messiah, fundamental moral codes, the description of Paradise compared to Allah's Paradise, etc. afterwards?

Nonsense.

289 38/49c: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

290 38/49d: "- - - a beautiful place of (final) Return". The Quran's heaven is a tall hierarchy - the better Muslim you have been in this Earth, the better place you get in Paradise. (One of the many proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - also their paradises are too different - in Yahweh's paradise everyone simply "becomes like the angels" (f.x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). According to this verse in the Quran, good Muslims will get good places in Paradise. Also see 10/9f above.

291 39/10f: "- - - those who do good in this world - - -". Muslims.

292 39/10g: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

293 39/17d: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

294 39/34b: "They (good Muslims*) shall have (in Paradise*) all that they wish for, in the presence of their Lord (Allah*) - - -". But only if Allah exists, is a major god, and only if the Quran is reliable at least on this point.

295 39/35b: "- - - reward according to the best of what they (good Muslims*) have done". In the Quran's paradise according both to the Quran and to Hadiths there are many grades. There are 4 or 6 or more gardens, one better than the other, and in addition there are the higher heavens for especially good Muslims. Allah has to decide - if he has not predestined - which grade you deserve. (we may add that especially if Islam is a made up religion, this with better reward the more eager you are to serve the boss, is very efficient for the boss - and very cheap.)

This is one more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. The Bible does not mention such a system - only that one "becomes like angels".

296 39/58b: "- - - those who do good - - -". Muslims.

297 39/58c: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral and ethical codes.

298 39/61d: "- - - no evil shall touch them (good Muslims in Paradise*), nor shall they grieve". See 39/61a above.

299 39/70b: "- - - will be paid in full (the fruit) of its Deeds - - -". Beware that in the Quran the balance between your bad and good deeds counts more at the Day of Doom than in NT, where the benevolence of the god and forgiving is more central than in the Quran. There also is another difference: In the Quran the good deeds are enlarged and weigh up to 10 times of what a similar bad deed weighs - and some deeds guarantees you entrance to paradise no matter of how bad you are (to be killed in war/raid for Allah/Muhammad/the leader). It is easy to enter paradise in Islam - if it exists.

300 40/40g: "- - - therein (Paradise*) will they (good Muslims*) have abundance without measure." If the Quran has told the truth - the full truth and only the truth. Also remember that the deep differences between Yahweh’s and Allah's paradises are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. If they had been, the paradise had been one and the same.

#####301 40/58d: “- - - nor are (equal) those who believe and work deeds of righteousness and those who do evil”. This is obvious. But what then about those points in the Quran's codes of moral, of ethics, of conduct, of warfare, etc. which are evil? And what about the unjust parts of the sharia laws? (Muslims normally are unable to see the evil such places, because they have been told since they were born that this is just and good and glorious. But anyone - Muslims and non-Muslims - are free to compare such points to "do to others like you want others do to you".

302 41/34d: “Repel (Evil) with what is better (Good*); then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate”. To be friendly towards enemies was good when this was told around 616 – 618 AD - - - but that was before Medina and blood. This verse is abrogated – made invalid - by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threats, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 28 abrogations).

303 41/34d: “Repel (Evil) with what is better (Good*); then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate”. To be friendly towards enemies was good when this was told around 616 – 618 AD - - - but that was before Medina and blood. This verse is abrogated – made invalid - by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threats, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 28 abrogations).

304 41/38b: "- - - those who celebrate His (Allah's*) praise - - -". Here: Angels or good Muslims. Likely here is intended good Muslims, but it is said "in the presence of (Allah*)", which means in Paradise. And as the Day of Doom has not arrived yet, there cannot be humans in Paradise yet. The Quran and Islam meet the same impossibility each time they tell about humans in Paradise: According to the Quran humans stay in their graves until the Day of Doom. Then they are resurrected and some sent to Hell and others to Paradise. #######THIS MEANS THERE CANNOT BE HUMANS IN PARADISE/HEAVEN UNTIL AFTER THE DAY OF DOOM.

Something to think over f.x. when Muslims tell you about Muhammad's claimed night trip to Paradise/Heaven, where he met Abraham and Moses and many others? As said before: Islam is good at making stories, but weak on logic and on making different aspects and details in the stories or "explanations" fit together and not "kill" each other.

305 42/17c: "- - - the Balance - - -". The scale to weigh the good and the bad deeds. From the made up "The Testament of Abraham". (But originally likely from religions further east.)

306 42/23d: "- - - righteous deeds". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance to its own partly immoral moral code. Good righteous deeds f.x. were to steal and rob and extort and suppress and kill for Allah and Muhammad - if Allah exists, if not in reality only for Muhammad - and to rape female captives taken in the name of Allah, not to mention to stone or whip raped women who could not bring 4 male witnesses to the very act for that it was rape. Etc., etc.

307 42/33e: "- - - everyone who patiently perseveres and is gracious". Every good Muslim.

308 42/37c: "- - - forgive - - -". To forgive is a point also in the Quran. But it is far from as central as in NT. And when the claimed Day of Doom comes, according to the Quran it mainly are the balance between your good and bad deeds which will count (though Allah may forgive bad deeds if you are a good Muslim), and to forgive only is one among your good deeds.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

309 42/43a: "But indeed if any show patience and forgive, that would truly be an exercise of courageous will and resolution in the conduct of affairs." Verses like this in reality are abrogated and made invalid by other and harsher verses - f.x. 9/5 - the Verse of the Sword - at least concerning non-Muslim. But one should remember that all the same many Muslims take verses like this into account and live more or less accordingly. One also should remember that according to science some 70 percent of the Muslims are as good as you and me, and that a lot of the remaining 30 are not too bad either - only a small percent has forgotten to be humans. The trouble of course it to find out who is who, so there may be situations where one has to be careful or suspicious, but there is no reason to be unnecessarily harsh or unfriendly, until they have shown there are reasons for this. We have Muslim friends, and see no reason why not making more - we only move a little more slowly not to make mistakes. A good person mostly is a good person whether he is a Muslim or something else. So do not condemn any Muslim only because he/she is a Muslim. Most of them are ok.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

310 43/35b: "- - - the Hereafter - - - is for the Righteous (good Muslims*)". But are the good Muslims really "the Righteous"? If you compare even the most "righteous" of Muhammad's people to the moral codes of any normal religion, or to "do unto others like you want others do unto you" (which f.x. "sums up the Law and the Prophets" according to Jesus in Matt. 7/12), quite a lot of them were far - very far - from righteousness. When you then know the Muslims have their partly immoral moral code from a book with no connection to a god, there are reasons for second thoughts.

###311 43/37e: (YA4639): "The downward course in evil is rapid. But the most tragic consequence is that evil persuades its victims to believe that they are pursuing good. They think evil to be their good. They go deeper and deeper into the mire, and become more and more callous." Think of the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, the unethical parts of its ethical code, the unjust parts of its laws, the inhuman parts of its war code (compare all of it to the one and only main moral code "do onto others like you want others do onto you", and you easily see the immoral, etc. parts) - is this point describing Muslims?

312 43/67b: "- - - the Righteous - - -". Good Muslims. Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and unethical moral and ethical codes.

313 43/71: "- - - ye (good Muslims*) shall abide therein (Paradise*) (for aye)". But 11/108c makes it unclear and indicates that it may not be quite forever. (In the Bible it is very clear that Paradise is forever.)

314 43/72b: "- - - (good) deeds (in life)". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral and unethical moral and ethical codes. As you understand, also your deeds are more essential in the Quran than in especially NT. Good for Muhammad and other leaders, as it is an argument for obeisance and will to do things.

315 44/53: "Dressed in fine silk and rich brocade - - -". The Quran's paradise is like a poor, uneducated, and naive person's dream about earthly royal life - likely the maximum of luxury Muhammad's early followers were able to dream about. According to the Bible Yahweh's Paradise on the other hand is spiritual. One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

316 44/54: “- - - and We (Allah*) shall join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes.” Houris are a bit special kind of women, but the “fact” that they are given to the men arriving in Paradise as repayment for good (?) deeds, tells kilometers about Islam’s view on women - and remember that the Quran's mora code, etc. is forever. Also see 37/48 above.

###317 44/54a: “- - - and We (Allah*) shall join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes.” Women as payment for "good deeds" like stealing, suppressing, torturing, killing. Some moral code and some view on women - slaves/things to use for gifts or payment. Not in the Bible. One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - their paradises are utterly different. If they had been the same god, their Paradise had been one and the same. See f.x. Luke 20/36, not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17).

#####318 45/14e: "- - - it is for Him (Allah*) to recompense (for good or ill) each People - - -". Tell this to aggressive Islamic clergy, to Muslim warriors and terrorists.

319 45/14f: "- - - it is for Him (Allah*) to recompense (for good or ill) each People - - -". Tell this to aggressive Islamic clergy, to Muslim warriors and terrorists. But this was in Mecca, where Muhammad led a peaceful religion. Much was changed when he changed the religion to one of discrimination and blood and war after 622 AD.

320 45/21c: (YA4759): “What! do those who seek after evil ways think that We (Allah*) shall hold them equal with those who believe and do righteous deeds - - -?” Here 3 different meanings are possible: 1) The evil ones are not in Allah’s sight like the righteous ones. 2) The evil ones and the good ones are not the same in this life and in the next life – the evil ones may flourish in this life, but the good ones in the next. 3) The real life of the righteous is not like the one of the evil ones – their spiritual life is different.

321 45/28c: "This Day shall ye (people/sects*) be recompensed for all that ye did!" This may well be - but by whom? As the Quran is from no god, and there never has been a real proof for Allah, he is highly unlikely to be anything but the old pagan god al-Lah in a new suit, and thus no existing god. Then who will recompense people for good and bad deeds, prayers for forgiving, etc.? One may hope for a good and benevolent god, but what then about all the Muslims who have lived according to the Quran's harsh war religion laws?

322 46/14d: "- - - (good) deeds". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like they, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code and partly unethical ethical code.

#323 46/15a: "We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents - - -". This is clearly contradicted by 6/151: "Come, I (Muhammad*) will rehearse what Allah hath really prohibited you from: (Among other things*) - - - be good to your parents". (But right shall be right: This point in 6/151 is one of the ones Muslim scholars agree on must be wrong in the Quran, and most likely they are right. But then: How much more is wrong in the book, and how can an omniscient god make mistakes?)

Seen separately: This sentence is one of the plus points for the Quran.

####324 46/19a: "And to all (humans*) are (assigned) degrees according to the deeds which they (have done) - - -". In the Quran the balance between the good and bad deeds you have done on Earth, are more central for whether you are to end in Hell or Heaven than in especially NT, where the goodness of and forgiveness from the god is more central concerning this, than in the Quran (though this counts in the Quran, too). The stressing on your deeds, is a good "carrot and whip" for leaders on Earth: "Be obedient and act according to the Quran, and you will end in Heaven - if not you go to Hell! And if you are extra willing and obedient, you will end in a better part of Paradise, whereas if you refuse to obey me and Allah, you will end in the hottest part of Hell!" This especially was a cheap means for Muhammad to use if the religion was a made up one - and as mentioned: At least the Quran with all its errors, etc. has no connections to a god.

To complete the picture: The Quran's paradise is not too difficult to enter, because according to the Quran, good deeds counted more than bad ones - up to 10 times more. Especially if the religion is a false one and Allah a made up god - which all real facts indicate, on top of that they prove the Quran is not from a god - this may merit this comment: Populism is nothing new among politicians.

One more difference to especially NT - and one more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

###325 46/19b: "And to all (humans*) are (assigned) degrees according to the deeds which they (have done), and in order that (Allah) may recompense their (peoples'*) deeds (good or bad ones*) - - -". In Heaven there are several gardens - 4 or 6 or more according to Hadiths - plus there are the higher heavens for the really top Muslims. To be able to place each person in the right place, they have to be given degrees of goodness and split in groups to be sent to the correct place in the 7 Heavens/Paradise.

One topic here you NEVER hear Muslims mention, is how the claim that you will have your wife/wives, children and family around in Paradise, can be fulfilled, unless absolutely all of them get the same degree as you and thus merit the same garden and Heaven like you. You may be a good Muslim and get grade 4. But two of your sons were killed in battle for Muhammad/Allah and automatically goes to the best parts part of the ordinary Paradise, say grade 6, and one black sheep of a son just sneaks into Heaven and the lowest degree, a plains 1. Your other 3 sons get satisfying 3s and 4s, whereas your daughters are good girls and get 4s and 5s, but their husbands only makes 2s and 3s. Obvious things like such results of human nature are never - never - mentioned when the nice and populist promises are made about you are going to have your family around you in Paradise. Never mentioned neither by the Quran, as far as we know neither by Hadiths, and definitely not by Muslims debating religion with non-Muslims, or by mullahs or imams or others trying to tease you to become a Muslim.

326 47/4m: "- - - He (Allah*) will never let their (slain warriors') deeds be lost - - -". If the Quran tells the truth, if Allah exists, if Allah is a major god of war (only gods of war and devils reward or "reward" ill deeds and make them look good in the doers' eyes).

327 47/5c: “Soon will He (Allah*) guide them (Muslims slain for Allah/Muhammad*) and improve their conditions, And admit them to the Garden which He has announced for them”. Vague promises - it can of course be no less than Paradise, but you will find much more epic - and lyric - descriptions not much later. Allah quickly had found a good receipt - or perhaps Muhammad. Nice promises for the warriors and cheap promises for Muhammad. This claim/promise is invalid if the Quran is a made up book - and at least no god made a book of that quality.

328 47/7b: “O ye who believe! If ye will aid (from the context it is clear it means in war*) (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly.” Seemingly a good deal. A strengthening of the morality of Muhammad's warriors. But the deal only is really good for Muhammad and his successors if Allah does not exist or is not a god.

329 47/35c: "- - - Allah - - - will never put you in the loss for your (good) deeds". Often claimed, never proved. A good promise if everything the Quran tells about Allah is true. Cheating if the Quran is not from a god or for other reasons contains mistakes or similar - - - but a promise giving Muhammad power and cheap warriors no matter.

3230 47/35d: "- - - (Allah*) will never put you in loss for your (Muslims'*) (good) deeds (on the battlefield*)". See 47/35b above - one more indication.

331 48/16b: “Say (Muhammad*) to the desert Arabs (but most of the Quran is valid for all people and all times according to Islam*) who lagged behind: ‘Ye shall be summoned (to fight) against a people given to vehement war: then shall ye fight, or they shall submit. Then if ye show obedience (fight*), Allah will grant you a goodly reward (rich spoils of war and Paradise*) - - -”. A huge carrot to make fighting attractive - but what peaceful religion goes far out to make war attractive?

##332 48/16f: "Then if ye (in this case desert Arabs reluctant to take part in raids*) show obedience, Allah will grant you a goodly reward - - -". Obedience to whom? - here on Earth in reality to Muhammad, and for a reward costing Muhammad exactly nothing but some words free of charge. The dream position for a Hitler, a Stalin, a Mao, a Papa Doc, any dictator wanting absolute and total power and obedience. Religion disused is the ultimate platform of power.

333 48/16g: "- - - Allah will give ye (Bedouins*) a goodly reward (for going to war*)". The religion of peace?? Try to find things like this in NT! One more at least 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same line of anything of any consequence.

###334 48/17c: “- - - but he (the Muslim*) that obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad, and goes to war when called*) - (Allah) will admit him to Gardens beneath which rivers flow - - -”. The great War God (Allah) and his representative and High Commander on Earth (Muhammad) will admit any dead warrior (aka robber, murderer, rapist, etc., “lawful and good” according to the Quran) to their warriors’ paradise with riches and women. Also see 48/16a and 48/16b above + 10/9f above.

335 48/18a: "Allah's Good Pleasure was on the Believers when they swore Fealty to thee (Muhammad*) under the Tree (in Hudaybiyah outside Mecca in 628 AD*)." Swearing obedience to Muhammad for taking part in his raids and wars, was Good Pleasure to Allah - some "Religion of Peace"! And a very easy and good way for Muhammad to get ruthless warriors - - - and a most cheap way for him pay them.

####336 48/19a: "And many gains will they (Muslims*) acquire (besides) - - -". Well, a good number of Muslims became rich or at least well off from plunder, extortion, slave taking, etc. But we have never till this day met a single Muslim - not to mention a Muslim religious or profane leader or Islam itself - reflecting on what price others had to pay for that. You meet boasting about riches and power, but never a thought about the victims. And as it was "lawful and good" according to Muhammad, none of them will ever do or think so - not among the religious Muslims at least. That is ethics and moral in Islam.

337 48/20f: (A48/23 – in 2008 edition A22): “Allah has promised you many gains that ye shall acquire - - -.” Booty. A good and cheap way to get warriors. But does it here only talk about “gold and slaves and a few rapes” in this life (may be Khaybar in this case), or also riches in the next life like among others Ibn Abbas thought?

338 49/9c: "- - - Allah loves those who are fair (and just)". Contradicted by reality: Both in Islamic code of moral (f.x. "lawful and good" to rape female prisoners, to steal/rob if it is done in the name of Allah (!!!), extortion, all are ok.) and in sharia (f.x. punish a raped woman for indecency if she cannot bring 4 male witnesses who have seen the raping) there are unfair and unjust rules presumably made by Allah. Nice claims and nice and big words cannot outweigh reality.

339 49/18e: "- - - Allah sees well all that ye (Muslims*) do". Once more the carrot and the stick: Allah sees and rewards all good deeds, so stay good and obedient. But Allah also sees and punishes all bad deeds, so do not try to cheat. Also see 2/233h above.

340 50/25a: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral and ethical codes. They in some ways are similar to the Nazi and the apartheid ones - and to the ones of the Mafia, the Cosa Nostra, the Chinese Triads, etc.

341 51/16: "Taking joy in the good things their (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) gives them (in Paradise*) - - -". One should remember, though, that this just is a claim - like always in the Quran, no central points are proved.

Also remember that "the good things" in Allah's Paradise mainly was/is pleasure for the body. In Yahweh's there is no body, only the soul, and then of course pleasures meant for souls. Only this difference alone is a 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. (If they had been, their Paradise(s) had been one and the same.

039 51/16-20: Some of the indications for a good Muslim.

342 52/19-20: (To them (Muslims in Paradise*) will be said) ’Eat and drink ye, with profit and health, because of your (good) deeds.’ They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions (the famous houris*), with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.” What more can a poor, virile young – or old – uneducated and uncultivated and uncultured man from the desert dream about? Also see 10/9f and 52/17-24 above.

But it has no relationship to Yahweh's and Jesus' Paradise, where you become like the angels (f.x. Matt. 20/35-36) - a lot more tempting in the long run than Muhammad's Paradise a la a king's dreamt up life included a harem. Not the same Paradise = not the same god = also not the same religion.

##343 52/21c: "- - - to them (Muslims in Paradise*) shall we join their families - - -". According to Hadiths there are at least 4 or 6 gardens in Paradise - one better than the other. Plus there are the higher heavens for the really good Muslims. It would take quite a co-incidence that every member of the big and extended families of that time - and for that case partly today - to merit the same garden in Paradise. What then? We have never met any Muslim mentioning this problem, or being able to give a good explanation if we mention it. One thing is to reach Paradise. Another to reach the same garden in paradise. With 6 or more gardens, a family very easily can become very scattered.

One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - their Paradises are too different (according to the Bible, Paradise is one for all). If Yahweh and Allah had been the same god, their Paradise had been one and the same.

344 53/31h: "- - - He (Allah*) rewards those who do good, with what is best.". How can this be fair, if Allah predestines every detail of everybody's life like the Quran many places claims? - yes, even if he predestines only some of it, like some Muslims claim to try to explain away things - in contradiction to the Quran's very clear words?

345 53/31i: "- - - do good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. Compare the Quran's moral code with "do against others like you want others do against you" and weep.

346 53/40: "- - - (the fruit of) his (man's*) striving will soon come in sight - - -". This is wrong if the Quran's statements about Allah’s predestination are true. If Allah predestines, it will be the fruits of his predestinations which come in sight. But at the same time it is a case of the carrot and the stick: Allah sees what you do, so be good, and willing and obedient.

347 53/41a: "Then (in the next life*) will he (a person*) be rewarded - - -". Is it fair to reward a person for good or for bad deeds if he/she did it because Allah had predestined it like that?

348 58/11c: A sample of Islamic good deeds (and also see next comment just below): "And when you are told to rise up, rise up - - -". Muhammad Asad's translation in the Swedish 2002 edition: "And when you are told 'Rise up!' - then rise up (at once)". Muhammad Asad's comment (A58/20, translated from Swedish 2002 AD edition): "Many of the classical commentators, among them especially clearly Tabari - - - means that the underlying meaning here is: "If you are told: 'Raise up and do good', follow then this incitement". - According to Ibn 'Abbas and Al-Hasan al-Basri, quoted by Ibn Kathir, the underlying meaning in this connection is "- - - prepare for going to war".

The Good Deed may be going to war to kill and rob and rape and suppress.

The religion of peace(!!)

###349 58/11d: And a sample of honesty in Islamic religious debate: The same text and comment as in 58/11c just above, but from the adjusted and more "correct" English 2008 edition:

Muhammad Asad's translation according to this edition (and NB: According to our knowledge he died long before 2008 AD): "And whenever you are told, 'Rise up (for a good deed)', do raise up - - -". And his claimed comment: (A58/20): "The interpretation implied in the words 'for a good deed' interpolated by me (Asad !!*) is analogous to that offered by most classical commentators, and most explicitly by Tabari (see 58/11c just above*); in the words of Qatadah (ibid.), "Whenever you are called to do a good deed, respond to this call".

The words that it means going to war - see 58/11c just above - have "disappeared", and this is not done by Muhammad Asad, as he was dead by then, but the book does not tell the readers that it is someone else who has made the book more politically "correct". Islam is too peaceful to be honest about such things.

One sample of honesty and reliability in Islamic religious literature and debate.

How much is really honesty and reliability in Islamic religious literature and debate - not to say propaganda?

Do you understand why we say that it is heavy work to study Islamic literature, because every piece of "information" have to be checked to find out if it is true or not?

350 60/1i: "If ye (Muslims*) have come out to strive (normally in the Quran = war (there are a few possible exceptions)) in My (Allah's*) Way and to seek My Good Pleasure, (take them (non-Muslims*) not as friends)". A clear message and order.

351 60/1l: “And any of you (Muslims*) that does this (making friends with non-Muslims*) has strayed from the Straight Path (Islam*)”. To make friends - at least good friends - with non-Muslims is a sin and a deviation from Islam. How do you think a verse like this works on the possibility of integration of Muslims in other societies? - or for non-Muslims trying to be integrated in a Muslim society? - or even for contact between Muslims and other people?

352 60/4b: “There is for you (Muslims*) an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: ‘We are clear of you and of whatever you worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever - unless you believe in Allah and him alone’ - - -”. Remember that Islam tells often and clearly that what is told in one context in the Quran, nearly always has general and universal meaning and value. Words not possible to misunderstand: Non-Muslims are enemies.

An extra point: To have another religion is enough for the good Muslim (according to Islam and here to the Quran) to feel "enmity and hatred forever". Rather a thought provoking piece of information.

353 61/12a: “(If you go to war and/or are killed for Muhammad*) He (Allah*) will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of eternity - - -.” There once was a cheap book named “All this and Heaven too”. It is similar here: all the rape and stealing and slaves you can manage – and for those good, benevolent deeds for your as benevolent god: The Paradise with more luxury and more women. Nice and attractive for naïve, poor and virile – not to say virulent – uncivilized young and not young men.

This point is totally at odds with the Bible (some war in OT, but for Israel, not for Yahweh) and especially with NT. One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

354 63/10c "- - - doers of good". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

355 64/16d: "- - - they (good Muslims*) are the ones that achieve prosperity". If the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth - and with no mistakes.

356 65/11o: "- - - to dwell therein (Paradise*) for ever - - -". Verse 11/108c indicates that Paradise may be is not quite forever. Islam is a little at a loss how to explain that verse. The favorite explanation is that the good Muslims in Paradise then will be moved to an even better place, but this is not said in the Quran - it is based on wishful thinking.

357 66/8h: "- - - their right hand - - -". The right hand was the good or lucky hand in the old Arabia, whereas the left was the bad or unlucky one. A number of references to this, may indicate that Allah had some superstitions, and partly the same superstitions like the old Arabs - likely a coincidence (?)

358 67/16-18: Different threats about what punishments Allah can send if you refuse Muhammad and Islam. Be good and obedient and do not risk this.

######359 68/4b: “And thou (Muhammad*) (standest) on an exalted standard of character - - -”. Well:

Seen in the Quran and the Hadiths:

  • 1: Lots of mistaken facts, and other mistakes. Not typical for an omniscient god, but sometimes for cheaters, deceivers and swindlers.
  • 2: Lots of invalid arguments - hallmarks for cheaters and deceivers.
  • 3: Lots of "signs" - all invalid as proofs for Allah or for Muhammad's connection to a god.
  • 4: A number of "proofs" - all invalid as proofs for Allah or for Muhammad's connection to a god. A few of the "proofs" even are scientifically wrong. Hallmarks for cheats, swindlers, and deceivers.
  • 5: A man gluing himself to his god and his religion – his platform of power.
  • 6: A self proclaimed prophet who in reality was no prophet – he had not the gift of prophesying. Muhammad did not even pretend or claim to have that gift, he just “borrowed” the distinguished and imposing title. (A few things he said, came true, but less than the probability of sheer chance should predict – and they were not given as prophesies.) A messenger, ok – for someone or something or for himself – an apostle for the same, ok. But a person who does not have the gift of prophesying, is not a real prophet - Muhammad just “borrowed” an imposing title. Islam also claims that messenger is a more distinguished title prophet – but that title just means “one who is not implicated, but just brings messages from one or more to one or more others” - a messenger boy. He does not even have to understand what things really are about. Besides: Why did Muhammad borrow the title “prophet” if the title “messenger” had been more distinguished? – simply because a prophet is something more: Messages like a messenger + prophesies - - - if it is a real v prophet. Also beware that the original title for prophets was "a seer" - one who saw the unseen or the future (f. x. Amos 7/12, 1. Chr.26/28, 29/29, 2. Chr.16/7, 16/10, 19/2, 29/25, Micha 3/7, 1. Sam. 9/9, 9/11, 9/18, 9/19). It is very clear that Muhammad was unable to see the unseen - - - but "prophet" was a very tempting title. (Muhammad also used the title prophet relatively seldom in the Quran - perhaps he did not want to invite to questions.)
  • 7: A messenger being the chief of highwaymen from Yathrib/Medina - even in holy months.
  • 8: A messenger also living from extortion - (money for men kidnapped from f.x. caravans or raided villages and towns).
  • 9: A messenger whose due was 100% of the robbed things if the victim gave in without a fight (albeit not all for personal use).
  • 10: A messenger permitting to take “spoils of war” - and 20% for him (albeit not all for himself).
  • 11: A messenger permitting to take slaves - and 20% for him (albeit not all for personal use).
  • 12: A messenger who received ca. 2.5% (from 0% to 10 %) of what you owned each and every year (if you were not too poor) – for the poor, but also for war and for “gifts” (bribes) to keep or attract followers, etc.
  • 13: A messenger using betrayal (f. x. promise of safe return of a 30 strong delegation from Khaybar broken and had 29 of them murdered, and his slogan "war is betrayal" and "war is deceit").
  • 14: A messenger with special agreement with the god for having many women.
  • 15: A messenger teaching hate against and suppression of non-followers.
  • 16: A messenger teaching and inciting war against non-followers.
  • 17: A messenger personally raping female prisoners/slaves.
  • 18: A messenger liking a sizable harem.
  • 19: A messenger who married a 6 year old girl and started sex with her when she was 9 (and he slowly approaching 60).
  • 20: A messenger who married a rich widow 15 years his senior, but his other wives 20 to 36 years younger than him - the child Aisha even more.
  • 21: A messenger who had the child Aisha as his favorite wife for the rest of his life.
  • 22: A messenger and his men - all with permission from their god to rape any female prisoner or slave who was not pregnant. It was “lawful and good”.
  • 23: A messenger who initiated assassinations of opponents.
  • 24: A messenger who initiated murders on opponents.
  • 25: A messenger who initiated mass murder.
  • 26: A messenger teaching suppression of women and non-followers.
  • 27: A messenger with lust for power (easy to see from f.x. Hadith, but even more so from f.x. the way he glues himself to his platform of power, his god, also in the Quran).
  • 28: A messenger with a huge appetite for women - one knows the name of 36 he had sex with. 11 long time wives, 16 short time wives (never mentioned by Muslims), 2 concubines, and 7 one do not know if he was married to or not (never mentioned by Muslims. He also was a rapist - he raped at least Rayhana bint Amr and Safiyya bint Huayay, and also Maria had no free choice. We do not know if he raped other captives or slaves.

And not least: All this is from Muslim sources - what Islam itself tells about him, though in more glossy words. There is no excuse for becoming angry, because it is 100% true according to Islam itself.

Yes, many will call this “an exalted standard of character”. But not many of those would be non-Muslims. And how many of the Muslims can say it and feel honest?

"Do against others like you want others do against you".

If Muhammad was an excellent idol for good Muslims, we hope never to meet a bad Muslim.

360 68/12b: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

361 69/19b: "- - - in his (Muslim's*) right hand - - -". In the old pagan Arabia the right hand was reckoned to be the good or lucky one (and the left the bad or unlucky one). According to several places in the Quran, included here, the superstition is the same in Heaven. There are 3 possible explanations for this:

  1. It is a coincidence.
  2. The old pagan Arabia has got the idea from Heaven.
  3. Haven - or at least Muhammad - has got the idea from the old Arabia.

Which one is likely?

362 69/24b: "- - - the (good) that ye (Muslims*) sent before you - - -". = The good deeds you did in this life.

363 69/34: "- - - feed the indigent - - -". This pops up here and there in the Quran, and it is one of its - sorry to say so - pitifully few, good sides. But the good moral point is marred by two facts: The main thing is not to help someone, but to gain merit in heaven, and you get as much merit from helping your nearest, as from helping strangers - and then strangers easily end up low down on the priority list. (For f.x. Christians it does not give merit to help one's nearest - that is a matter of course and a duty).

###364 70/29-30: “And those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess (= slaves*) – for (then) they are not to be blamed - - -.” There is no blame for raping a captive woman taken captive in the name of Allah, or your slave women – just how and how often you want. A good and benevolent god with an excellent moral (at least for the Muslim free man).

"Do against others like you want other do against you" (Luke 6/31).

One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad are not in the same line of prophets (in addition to that Muhammad was not really a prophet. see 9/88b above.

It is verses like this - and worse - which make people with normal moral codes - codes in reasonable nearness to "do to others like you want others do to you" - sometimes want to puke over the Quran and over Islam.

365 70/30: “(Muslim men should have no sex*) Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess - - -.” To force captive women or slave women to have sex – to rape them – was “lawful and good”! What a benevolent religion and what a benevolent god!!

366 70/35a: "Such (good Muslims*) will be the honored ones in the Garden (of Bliss)." This only may - may - be true if Allah exists and is a god (not f.x. something from dark forces pretending to be a god like parts of the Quran and parts of its moral code may indicate), and if the Quran in addition tells the full truth and only the truth about this.

###367 70/39b: (YA5699): "The animal part of man is nothing to be proud of, and they (humans*) know it. It is by spiritual effort, and long preparation through a good life that man can raise above the mere animal parts of him to his high dignity as a spiritual being, and his noble destiny in the hereafter". Statements like this from modern Islam, makes it very thought provoking that Muhammad's and the Quran's and Islam's Paradise only contains bodily - the animal part of man - pleasures and nothing for his spiritual life (except that Allah is claimed to be above the 7. heaven whereas normal Muslims seems to end up in the lowest one with 6 heavens between him/her and Allah (and according to Islamic relevant literature there are long distances between each heaven - up to 100 years travel is mentioned) - but Allah is a subject for reverence, not for intellectual or spiritual activity and development in the daily life in Paradise as a parallel to the "animal" activities.

#####368 73/20e: (A73/12 - English 2008 edition 73/13): "- - - there is no doubt that jihad was first sanctioned during the Medina period - - -". Which confirms that Muhammad and Islam did not think about or talk about or insist on or glorify war until after Muhammad started needing warriors for his raids for riches and later also for conquests in and after 622 AD. Was this very fundamental change in the religion at this time a coincidence? And why did not the omniscient god Allah know before 622 AD and Muhammad's need for warriors know that fighting was a good thing, a duty for all fit Muslim men, and a sure way to Paradise for even the worst sinner?

369 73/20j: "- - - whatever good ye (people, Muslims*) send forth for your souls - - -". = Whatever good deeds you do in this life, will benefit you at the Day of Doom - and in the war religion Islam was turned into in/after 622 - 624 AD, nothing was a better deed than to go on raids or war for Muhammad - - - and nearly all of Muhammad's raids were for stealing/looting, taking captives for slaves or extortion, and later also for power and for forcing Islam on the Arabs - large parts of Arabia got the choice: "Become Muslims or fight us and die" (though many by Muhammad's successors, not by Muhammad himself). Also see the list about Muhammad's raids and wars, where the purpose of the raids is given, in https://www.1000mistakes.com .

370 74/5a: "And all abomination shun!" Thieving/robbing, womanizing, raping, suppressing, lying, breaking oaths, torturing, enslaving, slave trading, murder, mass murder, hate mongering, war mongering, raids for thieving and enslaving, wars - they all are "lawful and good" if done in the name of Allah (a fact which makes this even more repulsive), so - yes, "all abomination shun!".

This is one of the points which should have had an impact on the Quran's moral code, but the book uses a twisted - often very twisted - way of understanding that word, with the result that Muslims doing even horrible things, believe or at least are able to claim that what they do is good or even glorious.

371 74/39b: "- - - the Right Hand". In the old Arabia the right side was the good side, and the left the bad side. Is it a co-incidence that it is the same in Heaven? Yes, we know that some Muslims claim that Arab is the language spoken in Heaven (if not f.x. the Quran has to be translated from the claimed "mother book" it is a copy of, and they accuse all other Quran's than the Arab one to be not exact - - - because they are translated), and the Amaddiyya Muslims even have "proved" that Arab is the original language on Earth. But childish stupidity aside: Is there a distinction between good and bad side in Heaven like in the old Arabia - but very far from in all country? An Arabism? Is the choice of good and bad side in case the same as in the old Arabia? Or has simply Muhammad or Allah or Iblis or whoever made the Quran thought that this superstition was universal as it was self evident in Arabia?

As for the similarity between Arabia and Heaven on this point, there are 3 possible explanations:

  1. A coincidence.
  2. Arabia - but few others - has learnt it from Heaven.
  3. Heaven has learnt it from Arabia or someone.

372 74/56b: “He (Allah*) is the Lord of Righteousness - - -.” A Lord making laws that f.x. say that killing and raping and stealing are “lawful and good” (8/69a-d) at least when it is done in his name, and who says that a woman shall be strictly punished for indecency if she is raped and cannot bring 4 male witnesses to the very act, is not righteous – on the contrary: He belongs to the most inhuman, worst and most unjust beings in the entire universe. The last mentioned law – about punishing the raped woman – is among the very most unjust laws that have ever existed (may be together with the law that says that stealing/robbing, extortion and killing in jihad – everything is jihad – is “lawful and good”), especially as Allah (if he exists and is omniscient) knows she is not guilty. On many points the opposite of benevolent.

  1. A man correctly telling that a woman has been indecent is lying to Allah if he cannot produce 4 witnesses - even if an omniscient Allah has to know he is speaking the truth.
  2. A woman who has been raped, is forbidden to tell who it was, unless she can produce 4 MALE witnesses WHO HAS ACTUALLY SEEN THE ACT. If she cannot produce 4 such witnesses, and all the same tells who the rapist(s) is/are, she shall have 80 whiplashes for slander. And she also is to be strictly punished for illegal sex, even though an omniscient god knows she is telling the truth!! Probably part of the most unjust and amoral law we have ever seen in any not extremely primitive society or culture.
  3. It is 100% permitted for an owner to rape his female slaves or prisoners of war (may be this is why Muslims so often rape women during conflicts - f.x. earlier in Bangladesh and earlier and now in Africa). The Quran even directly tells that it is no sin to rape also your married slaves or married prisoners of war, as long as they are not pregnant. The price for the victims is of no interest for Islam and the Quran - and some Muslims.
  4. It is glorious and the Muslims’ right to steal, rob, plunder, and to kill non-Muslims during jihad - and almost any conflict is declared jihad (holy war). It is “just and good”.

#373 76/9: "We (Muslims*) feed you for the sake of Allah alone - - -". Here is one of the differences between the Quran and NT: In the Quran you do good deeds to gain merit from Allah , and according to this verse for this alone. In NT you do good deeds partly to help fellow humans, and partly to gain merit. But beware that we here are speaking about the teachings. In praxis many a Muslims helps also to help fellow humans. But if this is done from personal morality and humanity, it is not a part of the religion (just check before you protest - every place in the Quran where one is recommended to help the poor and others, the motif given is to gain merit in heaven). Also see 76/8a above.

374 77/44a: "Thus do We (Allah*) certainly reward the Doers of Good". Once more we are back to the fact that if this may be - may be, not necessarily is - true or not, depends on if Allah exists and is a god of some power, none of which is ever proved.

Besides there is not a little irony in this sentence. Compare the moral code in the Quran to normal such codes or to "do to others like you want others do to you", and you will see that much of what the Quran and Islam names "good deeds" far from are good. In a religion of war some words have to have twisted meanings to make the religion and the corresponding culture sound fair and just and - yes, good.

375 77/44c: "- - - Doers of Good". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

376 78/40e: "- - - (the Deeds) which his (a person*) has sent forth - - -". The good and bad deeds you have done in this life, and from which you according to the Quran will be judged at the Day of Doom.

377 81/7: "When the souls are sorted out - - -". Beware that the souls will be sorted in 3 groups according to the Quran - the especially good Muslims "nearest to Allah", going for the best parts of Heaven, the ordinary good Muslims going for the lower classes of Heaven, and the rest, going for Hell. One of the clear differences to the Bible showing Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradises had been one and the same.

378 86/13b: "- - - (good from Evil) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

379 90/12-13: “And what will explain to thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) the path that is steep (in the meaning ascending fast, not that it is hard to walk?*)? – (It is): freeing the bondman, or giving of food in a day of privation (and some other things*) - - -.” To set free a slave was a good thing – but the main argument and the main moral (?) reason was not to help a fellow human, but to gain merit with Allah. With other words: To help yourself now for the coming next life.

380 90/13-16a: Different good deeds which may help you to reach Paradise.

381 90/15-16: “(A good deed is among others*) the giving of food in a day of privation to the orphans with the claims of relationship.” Take care of the orphans.

382 90/18b: "- - - the Right Hand". In the Old Arabia the right hand was the good and lucky one. (Whereas the left hand was the unlucky one.) An Arabism. Is it a coincidence that this superstition also is found in the Quran?

383 91/8a: "And it’s (the soul's - in this case the conscience’s?*) enlightenment as to its wrong and right - - -". Beware that the conscience is a natural part of most (?) humans, but its enlightenment as to what is right and wrong, good and bad, is not something given by nature or by a god. This is given by what your surroundings tell you are god and bad (which is one of the main reasons why bad quality friend may destroy the personality of a person - - - not to mention that this is why many Muslims honestly believe f.x. their moral code is a good one, etc. - compare it to "the golden rule": "Do against others like you want others do against you" and weep.)

384 91/8c "- - - right and wrong - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code, partly unethical ethical code, partly unjust judicial code, etc.

385 91/9b: "Truly he succeeds that purifies it (his soul*) - - -". If there really is a soul in the religious meaning of the word, and if there is a next life, this claim may well be true. But is anyone purifying his soul by living according to a book full of mistakes and contradictions, a book "selling" a partly very immoral moral code (compare it to "do unto others like you want others do unto you", and judge yourself), a partly unethical ethical code (f.x. to claim that to steal/rob and rape is "lawful and good" is highly unethical - in addition to that it is immoral and unjust), unjust laws (f.x. to punish a woman for unlawful sex after being raped if she cannot produce 4 men who have witnessed the rape, perhaps is the most unjust law which has ever existed, at least outside the most brutal and dark dictatorships) - does anyone really purify his/her soul by living according to such a religion?

386 99/7: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

387 101/6a: "- - - he whose balance (of good deeds) will be (found) heavy - - -". Muslims.

388 101/6b: "- - - (- - - good deeds) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

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