Humans, Other Beings in/Relevant to the Quran, Part 4


 

21.  ANGELS

- the servants of the god.

Angels or similar exists in several religions, included the Mosaic (Jews), Christianism, and Islam. In both the Mosaic and the Christian religion the angels "socially" are above mankind, in Islam the angels are of lower kind than humans - one of the many proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, as their Heavens (and paradises) are too different and to fundamentally different. If they had been the same god, also their paradises had been one and the same.

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##001 1/1–7a. “In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Praise be to Allah The Cherisher and Sustainer of the Worlds; Most Gracious, Most Merciful; Master of the Day of Judgment. Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek. Show us the straight way, The way of those Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray”.

This really is a bad one as it is a prayer to Allah, it is not Allah speaking (when Muhammad is to repeat what Allah says, Allah gives the order “Say”) - and besides Allah does not pray to himself!! A clear mistake compared to what Islam claims: It is all sent down by Allah (The Quran is said to be either made by Allah, or never made, but has always existed - the last claim is impossible, though, as #angels are speaking - and speaking to humans - at least one place (41/30-32) in the Quran (this also according to Muslim scholars), which proves that the Quran cannot have been made until after at least the first angels were created and not even until after the first humans existed. Actually Muhammad speaks also other places in the Quran than here - at least 8 places or more it is said (2/286c, 6/104c, 6/114, 11/2b, 19/36b, 27/91a, 42/10a and 51/50-51a) - so when can the Quran have been made? - not until after Muhammad was born and a grown man.) A clear mistake.

Also the places where it is clear that it is Muhammad that is speaking contradict the statements that the Quran is from Heaven, made by Allah or never made but existed from eternity - it as indicated above cannot have been made before Muhammad said what he said (at least not if man has free will).

It tells something that in the very beginning of the Quran, and in what is said in a way to be the essence of the book, there are things seriously wrong, compared to the for Islam very fundamental - but unproved - statement that the book is sent down by an omniscient god, and is perfect and without mistakes.

*002 1/1-7b: “In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, Praise be to Allah - - - Thee do we (Muhammad and Muslims*) worship and thine aid we seek. Show us the strait way - - -“. The Quran starts with a contradiction. All the places where Muhammad quotes Allah starts with the word “Say”. It is not present here, which means that it is Muhammad or Muslims who are praying - as said above; in a book claimed and presumed to have been made by Allah at least before Adam, since also Adam (who in reality never existed as man developed from earlier primates according to science) was introduced to the book, but perhaps have existed since eternity – which means at least since before the Universe was created some 13.7 billion years ago). And a book which is the revered and unalterable "mother book" in Heaven (13/39, 43/4, 85/21-22) – revered by Allah and his angels in his own “home”. Impossible and a solid internal contradiction.

###003 2/25k: "- - - companions pure - - -". These are the famous houris - the beautiful and willing women whom nobody knows where come from. This is not only contradicted in the Bible, it simply is incompatible with the Bible and its clear message that marriages, etc. does not exist in Heaven, as every saved soul "will become like the angels". One of the many proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are totally different gods - if one of them exists. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one.

There are similar contradictions - Muhammad speaking - with the claim that it is all from Allah, at least in these verses: 2/286, 6/104, 6/114, 11/2b, 19/36b, 27/91a, 42/10a and 51/50-51a. In addition there as mentioned above, is at least one place where it is clear that angels are speaking (41/30-32) - which makes it impossible that the book can be from eternity, as at least some of the angels had to be created before the book (if not angels could not speak in the book (and as they spoke to humans, the book could not be made before there were humans) - and actually the similar goes for Muhammad - he could not speak in the Quran before he was born.

004 2/30aa: "- - - angels - - -". According to the Quran beings created from light, and without a mind of their own - totally obedient to Allah.

005 2/30b: The angels questioning the wisdom of creating man. Not from the Bible.

006 2/31c: "- - - then He (Allah*) placed them (all things*) before the angels - - - ". Not from the Bible.

007 2/31+33: "- - - then He (Allah*) placed them (all things*) before the angels - - - (and shortly after said): "O Adam! Tell them (the angels*) their (the things'*) natures". Not from the Bible. See 2/31b above.

008: 2/32a: "- - - of knowledge we (the angels*) have none - - -". Not from the Bible.

009 2/33a: "O Adam! Tell them (the angels*) their natures". See 2/31 above.

010 2/33b: "O Adam! Tell them (the angels*) their natures". Not from the Bible.

011 2/34b: "Bow down to Adam", and they (the angels*) bowed down (to Adam*) - - -". Not from the Bible.

012 2/34c: "- - - they (the angels*) bowed down (to Adam*) - - -". This means they accepted him/man as being superior to them.

013 2/34d: (A2/26) “- - - they (the angels*) all prostrated themselves, save Iblis (the future Devil*) - - -". Not from the Bible.

###014 2/34e: (A2/26) “- - - they (the angels*) all prostrated themselves, save Iblis (the future Devil*) - - - and thus he became one of those who deny the truth”. There is an added mystery here: It is indicated here that Iblis was an angel, but angles were created from light, whereas it many places in the Quran is said that Iblis was created from fire = Iblis was a Jinn. Also the fact that he was able to refuse Allah’s order makes Islamic scholars question his being an angel, because angels are totally obedient. That aside:

#####(It is) “absolutely clear that at the time of that command he (Iblis*) was indeed one of the heavenly host. Hence we must assume that his “rebellion” has a purely symbolic significance and is, in reality, the outcome of a specific function assigned to him by Allah. (This is what many Muslim scholars believe, as Allah has absolute power, and nothing happens unless according to his plan.) If this is true, and Allah is behind also the Devil and Hell - where then is the good and benevolent god?”

This is a touchy point for some Muslims: If Iblis was able to refuse to obey, Allah is not omnipotent. If on the other hand Hell is part of Allah’s design, Allah far from is a pure and good and benevolent god. Muhammad Asad:"The Message of the Quran", tends to believe it is part of Allah’s design – the omnipotence is more essential than benevolence – but we have never seen a clear answer to the enigma. The real significance of this scene thus is unclear.

Also very different from the Bible.

##########015 2/34f: (YA49): “Not so Iblis (the later Devil*).” But the Arab text actually says: “They (the angles*) bowed down, except Iblis.” This in case means that Iblis was an angel, whereas the Quran several other places tell he was a jinn (made from fire, whereas angles were made from light). Clear text?

016 2/87g: "- - - the Holy Spirit." This is one of the few places the Holy Spirit is clearly mentioned in the Quran (at least here and in 2/253, 5/110, 16/102, 17/85, and 26/193 - the last one not 100% sure, though). All the same Muhammad believed the trinity consisted of God/Yahweh, Jesus and Mary!! Also beware that many Muslims who has not read the Bible, believe the Holy Spirit = the arch angel Gabriel (Gabriel was said to bring Muhammad messages, the Holy Spirit was said a few times to bring Muhammad messages - "ergo" the Spirit = Gabriel. You also other places in Islamic literature will see that not all Muslims have studied the laws of logic. "Cows have horn. Cars have horn. 'Ergo' they are the same".) Anyone who reads the Bible with an open mind, will see that the Holy Spirit is something special.

017 2/98a: "Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - - lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith". Included an enemy to those who opposes Muhammad - - - the main point? Non-Muslims?

018 2/98b: "Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - - lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith". Psychologically a good claim if Muhammad wanted followers and warriors - who wants to be friends of Allah's enemies? And of course enemies of Allah are ok and a good deed to rob and enslave and kill.

019 2/98ca: "- - - Michael - - -". According to the Bible one of the arch angels.

020 2/102e: (A83): “- - - and such things as came down at Babylon to the angels Harut and Marut.” This meaning you get if you among the consonants in the Arab original text use the vowels a-a-a-y and get the word “malakayn” = the two angels. If you instead guess that the correct vowels are a-i-a-y and get the word “malikayn” = the two kings, you get this meaning: “- - - and such things as came down to the two kings Harut and Marut.” There is a difference between 2 angels and 2 kings. And these variants also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word there has more than one meaning. Facts and problems like these Muslims strongly deny when they say the Quran is exact and correct “to the last comma” (the comma did not even exist in Arab at the time of Muhammad). A clear language?

021 2/102f: (A83): “- - - and such things as came down at Babylon to the angels Harut and Marut.” A time anomaly as no user of the claimed timeless Quran would understand this reference at least until the rise of Babylon in the eighteenth century BC - and then Homo Sapiens (modern man) already was may be 190ooo years old according to science, and all societies through all times got prophets with books from Allah - a Quran - according to the Quran.

Another point is that Harut and Marut do not exist in the Bible and seems to derive from old superstition - Harut may even originally have been an old Armenian pagan god.

022 2/136a: “- - - the revelations (the Quran*) - - -". Was it really a revelation? - and in case from whom? A book of a quality like the Quran is not from any god - too much is wrong. Then remain dark forces or an illness or a cold human brain.

As for dark forces Muhammad would not have one chance to see the difference between the angel Gabriel and the Devil dressed up like Gabriel. Also the partly immoral moral code, the war religion, etc. might indicate an explanation like this. But we personally are reluctant to believe this, because not even a devil would use a book with so many errors as his "holy" book - he had to know he would be found out sooner or later and loose credence. There is one possibility, though: If the god permitted him to try to lure or cheat more humans to Hell - say the god f.x. wanted fewer of the stupid ones in his Paradise - but on the condition that so much should be wrong, that any intelligent person should be able to see the trap and evade it. Well, it is a possibility.

023 2/161b: "Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting - on them is Allah's curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind". For the ones of these who believe in the Bible, the Bible strongly contradicts this, as it tells that instead to believe in the Bible, is the road to salvation.

024 2/177d: “- - - to believe in Allah and the last day, and the Angles, and the Book, and the Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -“. If it is not righteousness to believe in Muhammad, Islam may fall. Everything in Islam is built on Muhammad, but Muhammad with all his doubtful moral and deeds at the same time is the weak spot in Islam (why do you think they can afford nothing negative - even the not glossed up truths - and no skeptical questions about him?)

025 2/177e: “- - - to believe in Allah and the last day, and the Angles, and the Book, and the Messengers - - -“. Muslim scholars say this is like accepting the “heavenly revelations” as facts – clearly Islam’s meaning also today, even though absolutely nothing is proved or documented, and it all rests well on blind belief in what a morally very suspect and perhaps mentally sick (TLE? Psychopathic?) person once told. And one thought provoking fact: In all other aspects of life naivety and blindness is the most sure way to be cheated by deceivers and swindlers - but in such a serious case as religion Islam glorifies and advices and demands blind belief and acceptance as the claimed only rational thing.

026 2/248g: “- - - there shall come to you the Ark of the Covenant - - - carried by angels - - -”. This needs strong proof, especially since the Bible has a much more likely explanation: Yahweh gave instructions and measures, and according to 2.Mos.37/1-9 it then was made by a man named Bezalel.

027 2/248h: “- - - a Symbol (= Sign*) - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above. This even more so as the likely god was Yahweh. As the claim in this case is far away from what the only perhaps reliable - at least on this point - source, this "Sign" in addition in reality is a parody, if not Islam brings proofs. You can bet high money and more on that if the ark had been brought by angels, such a miracle had been mentioned in the Bible! And to claim that an obviously wrong "fact" is a proof or a symbol, only can be called a parody. Another thing: So highly unlikely as it is that the Bible had forgotten a miracle like angels bringing the ark, this is a strong indication for that also this point is not only contradicted by the Bible, but incompatible with the Bible. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

######There is something symbolic in that the Quran uses a wrong fact as a thus valueless symbol.

028 2/248j: Conclusions about verse 2/248 in the Quran: It tells that Saul (wrongly called Talut in the Quran) has become a king, and that the Ark of Covenant was going to be brought to the Jews. But Saul was king shortly before 1000 BC, whereas the Ark of Covenant was made - not brought, but made - under Moses somewhere around 1330 BC (according to science the Exodus - if it is not fiction - took place ca. 1335 BC (under Pharaoh Ramses II) and the Ark was made not too long afterward). The Quran is some 300 years wrong - in addition to wrong way of "delivery". There are so clear references to the Ark in the Bible, that even if the Bible is the only source for it, Islam will have to bring strong proofs to make us believe it was brought by angels during the reign of Saul/Talut, containing relics from Moses and Aaron and their families.

029 2/253f: "- - - the holy spirit - - -" This is one of the few times the Spirit - also named the Holy Spirit, the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of God/Yahweh, the Spirit of the Lord, etc. - like Allah and like Muhammad it has several names - is mentioned in the Quran (you also find it in 2/87, 5/110, 16/102, 17/75 likely in 26/193). Muhammad had very vague ideas about it and f.x. believed the Trinity consisted of Yahweh, Jesus and Mary (!). Muslims often claim it is another name for the angel Gabriel - and idea no-one who ever read the Bible with an open mind would get. And in addition to everything else which makes the claim ridicules, the old Jews knew well the difference between angels and spirits, and in the entire Bible there is not one single case where the two are mixed or mistaken. (But never think that a religious person will believe facts if they do not fit his belief).

030 2/285h: "- - - His (Allah's*) books - - -". Remember that the Quran claims (without any proof and in reality wrongly) that Allah and Yahweh is the same god. Here it is books in plural, which must mean the Bible and the Quran. The Bible is reckoned to be the book of Yahweh, even though nearly all of it is written by humans. The Quran is claimed to be from Allah, but no book of that quality was ever delivered by any god - not to mention revered by a god and his angels in his own "home" as the "mother book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22).

#031 2/286c: “(Pray:) ‘Our Lord! - - -‘“. The word "(Pray:)" does not exist in the original Arab text – Yusuf Ali has added it to “camouflage” the fact that this is Muhammad praying to Allah - in a book claimed to be billions of years old or made by a god. Honesty? How is it possible to explain that Muhammad is praying to Allah in a book made by Allah or may be never made, but existed since eternity? (There are some 8+ places like this in the Quran concerning Muhammad and at least one or two concerning angels).

032 3/23b: "- those who have been given a portion of the Book - - -" This refers to the old and wrong (proved wrong by science and by Islam) Muslim claim that the Bible is falsified. The claim is that the Bible originally like the Quran was a copy of the claimed "mother book" revered by Allah and his angels in Heaven, and thus a parallel to the Quran - a claim proved wrong by science and by Islam by being unable to find any proved falsification in the tens of thousands of relevant old documents, and thus unable to find that the Bible in the old times was similar to the Quran. Actually it is strongly proved that the old and the present Judeo-Christian scriptures are identical, except for minor errors normal for hand copied manuscripts. Also both science and Islam has been unable to find scriptures similar to the Quran older than 610 AD and Muhammad, in spite of the claim that there have been more than 100ooo prophets for Islam through the times and all over the world (Hadiths mentions the number 124ooo, and even that may just be a symbolic number for something even bigger) - not one such copy or fragment has been found - - - but some 45oooo relevant manuscripts from the time before 610 AD quoting the Bible, a not falsified Bible. 0 to 45ooo are odds too strong to believe in - there are limits even to naivety (unless you are religiously blind).

033 3/37g: "- - - her (Mary's*) chamber - - -". The Quran indicates that this took place in the Temple (in Jerusalem). But according to Mosaic (Jewish) law a female child could not be devoted to service in the Temple - only men served there. And there is one more reason for why this claim is impossible: ONLY members of the Levi tribe served in the Temple, whereas Mary was a descendant of David, which means she was from the Judah tribe. Muslim scholars know this, but never tell their audiences that the Quran here is wrong. Even A. Yusuf Ali knew it - he mentions it in comment 378 in his book "The Meaning of the Holy Quran". But even this according to Islam perhaps very best translator of the Quran, and a learned man, makes no remark about it in his edition/translation of "the Holy Quran". "It is better to believe than to face a destroying truth". We may add that the story of Mary serving in the Temple is taken from apocryphal - made up - sources, AND even Islam knows this (see comment 379 in Yusuf Ali: "The Meaning of the Holy Quran", but they keep quiet about it. We quote from YA379: "Some apocryphal Christian writings say that she was brought up in the Temple to the age of twelve like a dove, and fed by the angels". (It is symptomatic for some Islamic literature that he uses the story even if it is an apocryphal one, and even he - a top Muslim scholar - does not mention that "apocryphal" normally means "a made up story" even though most learned Muslims do know this, and thus let the readers believe it is "bona fide" information - there were many such made up stories and legends, just like there were lots of made up Hadiths, and not a few of them are used by Muslims as it they were true stories. This fact tells not a little about Muslim disputants and about Islam, which does not discourage the use of untrue arguments. We at least have never seen any Islamic try to make an end to this kind of dishonesty. Also see 3/44a below.

034 3/42a “Behold the angels (plural*) said (when they came to tell Mary she was going to have the baby Jesus*)”. But:

  1. 12/109: “Nor did we send before thee (humanity, man, Muhammad*) (as Messengers) any but men.”
  2. 16/43: “And before thee (Muhammad*) also the Messengers we sent were but men - - -“.
  3. 21/7: “Before thee (Muhammad*), also, the messengers we sent were but men”.
  4. 25/20: “And the messengers whom We (Allah*) sent before thee were all (men) - - -.”

Well, 3/42 - 6/130 - 11/69 – 11/77 – 11/81– 19/17b – 19/19 – 22/75 all say that not all were men. Nice small contradictions to 12/109 – 16/43 – 21/7 – 25/20 which all says all messengers were men.

(8 contradictions - or really 32 as each contradicts each of the others).

035 3/42c: “Behold the angels (plural*) said (when they came to tell Mary she was going to have the baby Jesus*)”. According to the Bible there only was one angel - Gabriel (Luke 1/26).

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong argument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

036 3/45a: "Behold, the angels said (to Mary*) - - -". See 3/42a above.

037 3/45b: “Behold the angels (plural*) said (when they came to tell Mary she was going to have the baby Jesus*)”. According to the Bible there only was one angel - Gabriel (Luke 1/26).

038 3/80a: "Nor would he (a true prophet*) instruct you to take angels - - - for Lords and Patrons". No Christian would understand this sentence unless he/she also knew the Quran and some more of Islam: There is no place in the NT where one is instructed to take one or more angels "for Lord and Patron" - not even a place in the Bible where the text is possible to misunderstand like that.

But then there is the claim that The Holy Spirit just is another name for the angel Gabriel. Gabriel brought messages to Muhammad, but the Quran also a couple of times mention that the Holy Spirit also did so: Logical shortcut - and like some other places in the Quran a logically invalid one: The Holy Spirit = the angel Gabriel. But no-one who has ever read the Bible with an open mind, would ever get the idea that the Holy Spirit is an angel - whatever it is, it clearly is something very special and very different from an angel. Also the Quran does not say that Gabriel = the Holy Spirit - the claim started somewhere outside the Quran.

As for prophets as "Lord and Patron", there remains the question of saints - though they normally never was prophets originally. Here the Quran may have a point, as saints is not something from the Bible.

And finally there remains the question of Jesus. Here it is no doubt that the NT unmistakeingly indicates that Jesus is divine - and Islam has till date never proved this wrong - lots of claims, but only claims. Also see 3/80b just below.

##039 3/81e: "I (Allah*) give you (the prophets*) a Book - - -". As mentioned other places the prophets got all got a copy of the claimed "Mother of the Book" according to the Quran. The Quran claims that all societies to all times and all places have been sent prophets teaching Islam (but neither science nor Islam has found the tiniest traces of such prophets or teaching) - Hadiths mention 124ooo through the times, and even this may just be a symbolic number. And as you see here they as mentioned each got a book which was a copy of the claimed "mother book" in Heaven, similar to the copy Muhammad claimed he got - the Quran. The claimed "mother book" either is made by the god or have existed since eternity according to Muslims - and is revered by Allah and his angels. You of course are permitted to believe this, but the normal reaction when you meet this claim after having read the Quran and all its mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, helpless language (helpless in bringing clear messages not to be misunderstood), etc., is disbelief or a hearty laughter - no god would revere a quality like the Quran.

#####As all the claimed book, included the Bible and the Quran, were copies of the same book, all the books should be very similar. One of the very many never proved claims in the Quran - a claim which is proved wrong at at least two points: 1. Out of claimed at least 124ooo copies (according to Hadiths) + likely copies of these, not one single fragment or quote is ever found. This at least - at least - is a very strong circumstantial proof for that the claim is wrong, this even more so as there are found tens of thousands of quotes, copies, and fragments from the Bible from the same period of time. 2. The Bible provably was never falsified. This again proves that the Bible and the Quran never was even similar books.

Another revealing fact: The Bible never mentions that any of the Biblical prophets were sent a book from Heaven.

*040 3/83a: “- - - all creatures (= angels, jinns, man and animals*) in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on the earth have, willing or unwilling bowed to His (Allah’s*) will (accepted Islam)”. Muslims will have to produce very strong proofs to make us believe that everything, included snails and flatworms and mosquitoes have accepted Islam and pray to Allah.

041 3/87b: "- - - on them (who left/leave*) (rests) the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all mankind". We cannot tell about the effect on Allah and his claimed angels - except that it is none if Allah is a made up, pagan god. But even though this verse primarily talks about people leaving Islam, it may sometimes have weighed heavily for Muslims starting horrors also against other non-Muslims. (Muslims often complain about the crusaders, but holy Heaven how much worse and on how much greater scale they behaved themselves - f.x. in Armenia, Africa, Sind (now approximately Pakistan) and India.)

Muslims also like to claim that nobody leaves Islam (it many places carry strict punishment or death to do so). This is one of the many proofs for that this neither is nor was true. Not to mention that the majority of mankind agree with the ones leaving a war, suppressing, hate, and blood religion based only on a book full of errors and worse, and dictated by a man who provably (from the Quran) believed in the use of dishonesty, deceit, broken words, etc., and with much to gain by making people believe in his new religion and platform of power, and a man who provably (from the Quran) liked respect, power, riches for bribes - and women. A most saintly and reliable (re?)teller of the book.

042 3/123a: “Allah helped you at Badr - - -”. This was a battle against the Meccans which the Muslims won, in spite of being outnumbered 3 : 1 (according to Muslim sources - there are no others). Muhammad told they won because Allah had sent down (3ooo) angels who fought together with the Muslims (a rather primitive way to do things for an omnipotent god). Pep talk - he helped you then, we believe, and it is likely he will help you in other battles, too. But: Why does an omnipotent god have to bring his followers to war to strengthen his position? If it was Muhammad who wanted more power and more riches to use for bribes and more power - and women - the logic is easy to understand, but an omniscient god - - - ?

043 3/124b: “Is it not enough for you (Muslims in battle*) that Allah should help you with three thousand angles (specially) sent down?” Pep talk to warriors referring to the battle of Badr, which Muhammad claimed was won because Allah sent down 3ooo angels who fought together with the Muslims - Allah helps you in battle with angle warriors. Morals counts in battle, and battle was essential for Muhammad at this time, though in 625 AD he might also think about defense against Mecca - they might again attack to stop his robbing their caravans, etc. But except for real defense: Why does an omnipotent god have to bring his followers to war to strengthen his position? If it was Muhammad who wanted more power and more riches to use for bribes and more power - and women - the logic is easy to understand, but an omniscient god...?

044 3/124c: "- - - three thousand angels (specially) sent down - - -". Remember this sentence (and other sentences in the Quran) each time Muhammad - and others - claim Allah could not send down an angel or two to prove Muhammad's claims about representing a god, or even the claimed god's very existence, because that would have meant the Day of Doom had arrived.

045 3/125a: “Yea – if you remain firm - - - your Lord (Allah*) would help you with five thousand angels making a terrific onslaught”. Go to war in the secure knowledge that Allah sends large battalions of soldiering angels fighting beside you. It is not explained why an omnipotent god had/has to send angles and by the thousands to strain your enemy’s forces to give you a better chance to win. But a mighty pep-talk for believers – especially the uneducated and/or naïve ones. But again: Why does an omnipotent god have to bring his followers to war to strengthen his position? If it was Muhammad who wanted more power and more riches to use for bribes and more power and women, the logic is easy to understand, but an omniscient god - - -?

046 3/125b: “Yea – if you remain firm - - - your Lord (Allah*) would help you with five thousand angels making a terrific onslaught”. This is not from the Bible, and you also find nothing similar anywhere in that book, not even in the more warlike OT, where the Jews should and had to fight to get a country for themselves, and later to defend it. If Yahweh and Allah had been the same god, this had meant that the god suddenly had got a new idea: Send the angels to take part in battles on Earth. A likely idea?

The fact that no Jewish prophet ever told the same kind of story, also is one more proof tor that Muhammad was not in such a line of prophets - if he had been a prophet. His teaching also on points like this, was very different from the teaching of the Jewish prophets, and thus not in their line or tradition.

047 3/125e: “- - - your (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah) would help you with five thousand angles (specially) sent down?” Pep talk. See 3/124a-c above.

048 3/125f: "- - - five thousand angels (sent down*) - - -". Remember this sentence (and other sentences in the Quran) each time Muhammad - and others - claim Allah could not send down an angel or two to prove Muhammad's claims about representing a god, or even the claimed god's very existence, because that would mean the Day of Doom had arrived.

049 3/136e: "- - - how excellent a recompense (Paradise*) is for those who work (and strive) (good Muslims*)!" If Allah exists. If he is behind what Muhammad told. And if what Muhammad told in the Quran is the full and only truth about this. One should also remember that the Islamic Paradise mainly offers bodily satisfaction and luxury - not very inventive for an omniscient god (in the Bible it is told the Christians will become like angels - f.x. Matt. 22/30).

050 4/13g: "- - - that (life in the Quran's Paradise*) will be the supreme achievement". Life in the Quran's Paradise mainly is bodily pleasures - luxury, good food and drinks, shade, nice cloths and place of living, plenty of sex, etc., and in addition there is a god at some distance. Is that a supreme achievement compared to f.x. Yahweh's Paradise, where you according to the Gospels "become like angels", also in the neighborhood of their god? (The differences between the two Paradises are one more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are different gods.)

051 4/57g: “- - - therein (Paradise*) shall they (deserving Muslim men*) have companions (houris - sex slaves in Paradise*) pure and holy - - -.” Very different from the Bible's Paradise to use an understatement (f.x. Luke 20/36 - "they are like angels") - very different. The same god? You bet! Actually this - the concubines in Paradise - is one of the points where the difference between the Bible and the Quran is so big and so fundamental, that it singlehanded proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs in addition.

####052 4/57j: This is what the Muslim paradise has to offer: Good food and drink (and never to the toilet), lots of women (a small share of their husband for women - if they are able to compete with the houris), peace and quiet, nice shades and enough water, nice clothes and riches. You must be primitive, uneducated, poor, and from a hot desert to be able to think about this as the ultimate Paradise. F.x. exceedingly boring in the long run. Very different from the Bible's "You become like angels" (f.x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). The very different paradises is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

053 4/97a: "When the angels take the souls - - -." A small (?) contradiction: Other places it is Allah or the Angel of Death who does this, not "angels" in plural.

*054 4/136j: “Any who denieth Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray”. Hardly. When you know how full of mistakes, contradictions and wrong logic the book on which all Islam rests on is, it takes some more proof to decide that it is the non-Muslims that are “far, far astray”. As everything in Islam rests on the Quran and on the if possible even less reliable Hadiths, the chances are that Muslims are the ones who are most astray. This even more so as all the mistakes, etc. proves that no god was involved in the Quran, and that nothing - absolutely nothing - ever was proved about the existence of Allah or about Muhammad's connection to a god. In all other aspects of life blind belief is the easiest way to be cheated - and it is normal for false prophets (there have been many through the times) to rely on fast talk, bluffs and demands for blind belief.

*055 4/136k: “Any who denieth Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray”. Strongly contradicted by the Bible. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

056 4/166d: "- - - the angels bear witness - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need witnesses?

057 5/73b: “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity - - -.” Muhammad never understood the trinity - he even believed it consisted of Yahweh, Jesus, and Mary, a mistake no god - agreeing or not agreeing to the Trinity - would have made. But for once there is a possibility that the Quran has a point; the Trinity is formally not a part of the Bible. On the other hand those are the three special ones: Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit - we may think of them as God, his co-worker and representative, and his errand boy/messenger boy and helper. Trinity or not - those three have a special status according to both the Bible and the Quran (even though the Quran does not agree to which status - it even say the Holy Spirit = the angel Gabriel, which makes anyone really knowing the Bible laugh.) There also is the fact that according to the Bible, Jesus said that he and his father were one - but figuratively meant. Also see 5/773a just above.

As for the Trinity: It is a dogma decided by humans after much discussion; it is not part of the Bible - but see 5/17a above. (This dogma is from the 4. century, and it got its present form from the so-called Cappadocian Fathers (Gregory of Nyassa (332-395 AD), Basil the Great (320-79 AD), Gregory of Nazeanzus (329-389 AD). The nearest you come in the Bible is that Jesus said that he and his father, Yahweh, were one.) Also see 5/17a and 5/73b. But no-one in his right mind and with some knowledge about the Bible, would ever believe Mary was part of the trinity. Any even baby god had known. Then who made the Quran?

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel (Gabriel according to the Bible was/is an arch-angel), this had been such a strong argument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

058 5/75d: "They (Mary and Jesus*) had both to eat their (daily) food according to the Quran (according to the Bible they did (1. Mos. 18/8))." This is intended to be a proof for that they just were ordinary humans - even lowly angels f.x. visiting Abraham did not eat food. (Funny; Muslims in Paradise have to eat - one of their few pass-times and one of their few things to look forward to in the claimed next life - f.x. absolutely no intellectual activity). But on Earth Jesus was born as a physical normal human who needed food. The "proof" thus is of no value. As for Mary: Here Muhammad tries to prove she was not part of the Trinity, as she was a human. Not even the most imbecile Christian ever said she was part of that. We simply are back to the fact that Muhammad did not understand these central parts of Christianity: No-one ever indicated that Mary was part of the Trinity or divine - some say she was holy, but in the meaning "better than ordinary people", not in the meaning "divine", and some do not even say that. As for Jesus; no matter whether one believes he was divine or not, no-one ever indicated that his life here on Earth was in something other than a normal human body. Muhammad is breaking in open doors. And any god had known this. Who made the Quran?

059 5/110d: "- - - the holy spirit - - -". The Spirit is mentioned a few times in the Quran, even though Muhammad did not understand it properly. Muslims today often claim that this is just another name for the angel Gabriel, even though this is not said in the Quran - perhaps because Muhammad used to claim it was Gabriel who brought him many of his claimed revelation (though other times he dreamt them), and once it is mentioned that the Holy Spirit brought him some revelations; viola! - the Holy Spirit = Gabriel. The logic is invalid (the most you can say logically, is: "perhaps the Holy Spirit is Gabriel" - there is a long distance from "perhaps" to "is", but you will often see Muslims doing this kind of logically invalid "jumps" to get answers they wish or want. Just keep an eye open and you will see such logically invalid "conclusions" here and there.) No-one who knows the Bible would get that idea, as the Holy Spirit clearly is something special (and also the old Jews knew the difference between an angel and a spirit) - but Islam as normal just claims without any documentation.

*060 5/116d: Mohammad believed the Trinity consisted of God/Yahweh, Jesus and Mary. Wrong. Both Muhammad and the Quran were wrong in the extreme when he/they thus believed Mary was part of the Trinity. (It consists (?) of God/Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit – also called the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of God, or only the Spirit, the Spirit of the Lord, and a few other names). Muhammad never understood the trinity and he never understood the Holy Spirit, even though he used the Spirit a few times in the Quran – and some Muslims refer to the Holy Spirit in the Quran as another name for the arch angel Gabriel(!) as it is “known” that Gabriel brought surahs and verses, but it is also said in the Quran that the Spirit brought some. A logical short-circuit. (No knower of the Bible would ever get this idea, and no god - then who made the Quran?)

061 6/8a: “They (people*) say: ’Why is not an angel sent down to him (to Muhammad to prove his religion*)”. So many angels that Allah is said in the Quran to send up and down each day (even though it says differently later in this verse - inconsistency), this would be an easy proof. But: See 6/7a above and 6/8b just below).

062 6/8b: “They (people*) say: ’Why is not an angel sent down to him (to Muhammad to prove his religion*)”. One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different. And multiply even a tiny change with some billion people through the centuries, and many and also big things will be changed.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "Butterfly Effect" and the "Domino Effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
  5. The so-called "Domino Effect": Any change will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change - - - and so on forever. Also each cause may cause one or more or many changes. And: The Butterfly Effect only may happen, whereas the Domino Effect is unavoidable and inexorable - a main reason why if you in a battle is killed 5 meters from or 5 minutes later than where and when Allah has predestined - not to mention if you die when tilling your fields 50 miles off - unavoidably the entire future of the world is changed. Perhaps not much changed, but like said; multiply it with many billion people through the centuries, and the world is totally changed. And full clairvoyance of course totally impossible - except in occultism, mysticism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims (but it also is to corrupt and falsify the texts)) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to or forgiving from Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

063 6/8c: “They (people*) say: ‘Why is not an angel sent down to him?’ If We (Allah*) did send down an angel, the matter would be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them”. This question – a proof f.x. by means of an angel – arose frequently. Muhammad’s often used “explanation” was this: Allah will not send down an angel until The Last Day (the Day of Doom). That means that if he sends down angles, that day becomes the Last Day (“the matter will be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them”), and in that case the unbelievers would lose their chance to become believers (“- - - no respite would be granted them”.) This “explanation” is nonsense even according to the Quran. That book tells that the angel Gabriel visited Muhammad often, it tells that angels come down to fetch the souls of the dead, it tells that angels come down to fetch your soul when you fall asleep and to return it when you wake up, it tells that angels surround you to note down your good and bad deeds – not to mention the thousands of angels Allah sends down to do battles together with Muslims time and again. And angels visiting f.x. Abraham, Lot, and Mary.

There was not one single reason why Allah could not use one of the myriads of angles he daily and frequently sends down as a proof for Muhammad.

On the contrary: There were all reasons for Allah to prove himself and his claimed messenger - in stark contradiction to Muhammad's claim, it had given lots of followers. Proofs: 1) Human psychology. 2) The Pharaoh's sorcerers all became Muslims because Moses made a miracle (a story which proves Muhammad knew he was lying when he said miracles would convince no-one. The same goes for Ramses II becoming a Muslim in 10/90 because he saw a miracle of a made flooding. 3) Jesus made miracles and got many followers from this, which Muhammad knew.

A very obvious bluff and a piece of fast-talk - and wrong even according to other points in the Quran.

064 6/9a: "- - - We (Allah*) should have sent him (the angel*) as a man - - -". Why? A real angel would make quite another impression. But even as a man - why not? If this "man" could prove he was an angel, it would make a huge impression, and there is no way Muhammad did not know this. More explaining away from Muhammad about why he could prove not one single sentence of his claims about connection to a god - or the existence of the god. Worse: ###There is no way Muhammad did not know this was an invalid - and thus dishonest - explaining away. Neither to send an angel, nor to send him in whatever shape the god wanted, would be difficult for an omnipotent god.

To claim Allah had to send an angel in the shape of a man is wrong for any omnipotent god. And could he prove he was an angel, he would make a strong impression. Both of these facts any intelligent person - like Muhammad - knew and knows.

065 6/9b: “If We (Allah*) had made it (the proof*) an angel, We should have sent him as a man, and We (= our proof/angel*) should certainly have caused them confusion in a matter (religion*) which they have already covered with confusion.”

  1. There is no reason for Allah to camouflage an angel like a man. Allah is omnipotent and could send them in any shape he wanted. This argument is invalid.
  2. The arrival of an angel – no matter in what gestalt as long as it was clear it was an angel – might confuse only the most skeptical ones. All the other would become believers.

Any intelligent man understanding people would know all this. Not to mention that any god, however tiny, would be sure to know it. Muhammad knew this was fast-talk – by himself, by a helper (if the Quran was made by a helper like some rumors said), or by the dark forces if they were behind the Quran, or by Allah (if the Quran – or this piece of it – really was made by Allah). Muhammad was too intelligent and knew too much about people – he knew this was a lie – both that an angle had to look like a man, and that no unbeliever would believe if they got real proofs.

066 6/9c: “If We (Allah*) had made it (the proof*) an angel, We should have sent him as a man, and We (= our proof/angel*) should certainly have caused them confusion in a matter (religion*) which they have already covered with confusion.” Actually this is contradicted by Hadiths, which tell that Muhammad saw Gabriel - an angel - and he had 600 wings. Not much like a man. (But we man add that you nowhere in the Bible find angels described with wings - seraphs, yes, cherubs, yes, angels, no. Angels in Christian art got wings around 300 AD, simply because it was the only way of flying the artists at that time knew - but Muhammad gave his angel Gabriel 600 wings (which aerodynamically is hopeless for flying,))

And anyhow: To claim Allah had to send an angel in the shape of a man is wrong for any omnipotent god.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong argument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

###067 6/43b: "- - - their hearts became hardened, and Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them". This is an interesting sentence, as it is clear that the Quran with all its mistakes is not from a god, but that one of the few real possibilities is that it came from a devil dressed up like the angel Gabriel. A number of immoral and even horrible things seem alluring to Muslims, and one has to have a much hardened heart to be able to do some of the things Muslims have done through the times, and some still do.

068 6/50ba: "- - - nor do I (Muhammad*) tell you (people) I am an angel". With his CV he had better not - and this even more so later. (Surah 6 is from ca. 621 AD - before Islam was changed to a religion of hate and war.)

069 6/61c: "- - - He (Allah*) sets guardians over you." Here is a contradiction. Guardians mean angels, and other places in the Quran makes it clear it is more than one who looks after you at the same time - and all the time. But f.x. 6/8 says: "If We did send down an angel, the matter would be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them" = your life would come to an end or it would be the Day of Doom according to Islam. 6/61 says guardians (= angels, plural) take care of you. And for that case it is several places in the Quran said that the angel Gabriel is sent down to Muhammad. And Abraham, Lot, Mary, inhabitants in Sodom and Gomorrah saw angels. But 6/8 says no angel can be sent down because then everything will be over. A clear contradiction.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong argument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 12 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

070 6/61d: "- - - when death approaches one of you, Our (Allah's*) angels (plural*) take his soul - - -". This is another contradiction, because another place in the Quran it is said Allah takes your soul, and yet another place that it is the Angel of Death (name - singular) who does it.

This quote also contradicts the claims that Allah cannot send down angels to prove his existence, because to send down angels means that the day of Doom has arrived.

071 6/61e: "- - - Our angels take his soul - - -". But the Arab word used for Angel here, is "rusul" - the same word which the Quran uses for Muhammad in the meaning "messenger". If you instead inserts this meaning of the word in this claimed clear and distinct language, you get "- - - Our messenger (Muhammad*) take his soul - - -". Knowing something about the real Muhammad, this may provoke a few thoughts.

072 6/93c: "- - - inspiration - - -". Muhammad claimed he got most of his claimed information from his god by means of inspiration - a very convenient way, especially if some things in reality are made up, as it is impossible for others to check if it is true, and also easy for a claimed prophet to add or subtract or simply to make up. Remember here that all the mistakes etc. in the Quran prove at least 110% that it is not from a god, and someone or someone(s) has/have to have made it. In this verse two things are the subject: Prevent that others got the idea to make (competing?) inspirations", and to stress the claim that his own "inspirations" were reliable. We may here remind you that the word "inspiration" never is used in such connection in the Bible - 4. Mos. 12/6-8 tells that Yahweh speaks to his prophets directly, in visions or in dreams - inspiration is not an alternative. Muhammad also never tells how he sees the difference between Allah's inspirations and his own - all humans have inspirations now and then. Neither does he mention how he can be sure the ones not his own, are from a god and not from a sick brain (remember TLE) or from a dressed up member of the dark forces (Muhammad would have no chance to see the difference if it was f.x. a dressed up Iblis (the Muslim devil) posing as Gabriel).

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong argument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

####073 6/104c: "Now have (the Quran*) come - - - from your (Muslim's) Lord (Allah*) - - - I (Muhammad*) am not here to watch over your (people's) doings". THIS IS A SERIOUS ONE: Here it is Muhammad who is speaking - - - in a book presumably made eons ago in Heaven!!! - an impossibility and a clear contradiction of the Islamic claim that it is a copy of the Mother Book in the Heaven. (There are some 8+ such cases in the Quran, and at least 2-3 cases where angels are speaking - see 6/114a below.) Clear proof(s) for that the Quran is not from Heaven - at least not all of it.

###074 6/111a: “Even if We (Allah*) did send unto them (non-Muslims*) angels, and the dead did speak unto them, and We gathered together all things before their very eyes, they are not the ones to believe, unless it is Allah’s plan”. This may be understood in two ways – both quite fast talk:

  1. Another and strengthen variety of no. 7/120a and others - with Muhammad lying in the Quran.
  2. Some of Muhammad’s audience questioned the obviously wrong logic and psychology in that clear proofs would not impress anybody, and needed a reason why not – and got the all-encompassing and ultimate answer to all difficult or unanswerable questions: It is Allah’s will - sometimes the fastest of all fast-talk.

This is one of the places in the Quran where Muhammad knew he was lying - produce some real miracles, and at least some will believe, and this even more so in old times with naive, uneducated, superstitious people, not as skeptical towards such things as people nowadays - it was easier to make people believe.

*075 6/156a: “The Book (here the Bible, but see 6/156b just below*) was sent down to two Peoples before us (Mohammad and/or the Arabs*)”. Wrong. The OT was for one people primarily - the Jews - and it was mainly written, not sent down (only the 10 Commandments were sent down physically). The NT was written - not sent down - for many people, not only for one or two. Chapters/letters are even addressed to very different people. Besides there were other religions with books – f.x. in Persia. Or to see it another way – like “The Message of the Quran” explains it: The Bible was sent down to the Jews and the Christians “the only ones that according to what the Arabs knew had scriptures based on revelations from a god”. The interesting part of this explanation is the reason Islam gives for the mistake: That reason was that the Arabs – Muhammad - only knew about the book(s) of the Christians and the Jews. What the Arabs knew around 621 AD when Muhammad dictated this surah, should be totally irrelevant for an omniscient god when he made (?) the Quran many eons earlier like Muhammad claimed – a "Mother Book" which Allah and his angels revered in his own heaven, now with one more mistake. Then who made the Quran?

076 7/11b: “- - - We (Allah*) bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis (the future Devil) - - -.” But was Iblis an angel, like it is indicated here? It is said several places in the Quran that he was created from fire (f.x. 7/12), which means he was a jinn (angles are created from light, according to the Quran). An unclear point in Islam, but most scholars mean he was a jinn. (Jinns are beings "borrowed" from old Arab pagan religion, legends and fairy tales.

077 7/12a: "Thou (Allah*) didst create me (Iblis - the Devil*) from fire - - -". There is some debate in Islam - is Iblis originally an angel? F.x. the previous verse, 7/11b, may indicate that. But this verse clearly indicates he originally was a jinn (a being from old Arab fairy tales, legends, and pagan religion), because according to the Quran Allah created jinns from fire, whereas angels were created from light.

078 7/37ca: "- - - Our (Allah's*) messengers (angels*) (of death) arrive and take their (non-Muslims'*) souls - - -". The "soul" is an a bit unclear thing in the Quran, but it is clear it represents consciousness (Allah takes away your soul when you are sleeping) and the life essence - when it is taken away permanently like here, you are dead. But unlike in the Bible the soul is not your eternal spirit and, the part of you which will become like an angel in Heaven (f.x. Matt. 22/30) as you will be resurrected in body in the claimed next life, according to the Quran.

079 8/9ba: "I (Allah*) will assist you (Muslims*) with a thousand angels (doing battle*), ranks on ranks". But why do angels have to take part in battles if Allah is omnipotent? Yes, why do Muslims have to fight battles for him an die or become invalids? He just can say "Be, and it is", according to the Quran. Something is seriously wrong.

080 8/9c: (YA1184): “I (Allah*) will assist you with a thousand of angels (f.x. in battle)” But Islam itself questions if the numbers are exact or figurative. Another question: If Allah is omnipotent and just can say “be, and it is” to quote the Quran, why then does he have to send angels? He just can decide the outcome of any battle. And actually: Why did he need any battle at all? - he just could decide how he wanted the world. (The propaganda tells it is to test his followers - but why does an omniscient and predestining god need to test anyone at all?)

081 8/50c: (A8/57): “If thou ((Muslims*) couldst see, when the angels take the souls of the (unbelievers) at death - - -.” This is the meaning if you guess that the Arab word “yatawaffa” refers to the angels. But if you guess it refers to Allah, the sentence becomes like this: “- - - when He (Allah*) causes (them) to die - - -”. A detail in difference for the one who dies. But for a text which is “correct and identical to Muhammad’s and Allah’s words to the last comma”, even this is a significant proof for that this claim is wrong. And these variants of course also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has/have more than one meaning.

082 9/21g: "- - - wherein (in Paradise*) are delights that endure". The delights in the Muslims' paradise are good food and drinks, excellent clothes, an excellent place to live, good weather and cool shades plus plenty of women for the men. More or less a poor, uneducated and naive warrior's dream of the life of a king or something here on Earth - an Earth-like and exceedingly boring paradise in long eternities. Is this the best an omniscient, omnipotent god has to offer? (And he has even less to offer women.)

Also note how different the Bible's paradise is from Muhammad's: In the Quran royal, Earth-like luxury + lots of sex/women, in the Bible (f.x. Luke 20/35-36 there is no sex or Earthlike luxury, but "they will become like angels". The same god behind two so incompatible paradises?

083 9/26c: "- - - forces which ye saw not - - -". Muhammad claimed that here and in some other battles Allah sent down large forces of angel warriors to help the Muslims in battles. But why take part in primitive battles, when he - Allah - "just can say 'Be' and it is"? Such claims about the necessity of wars and battles have no meaning when an omniscient god is involved. But if there was no god, but only a charismatic warlord pep-talking to his warriors, there suddenly is logic in it all.

084 9/31e : "- - - yet they (the Christians*) were commanded to worship but One God - - -". Muhammad never understood the Christian religion and thinking. According to Christians there is only one god. Then there is a figure - a helper or something (the son, Jesus) - who in reality gets his light and his power from God/Yahweh. And then there is something more diffuse and seldom seen; The messenger boy or something, named the Holy Spirit (sometimes wrongly claimed to be the arch angel Gabriel by Muslims who have never read the Bible, or who have read it with a closed mind). To use a picture: There is one sun. Then there is a moon which gets its light from the sun. And there is the seldom seen satellite somewhere around. But only one sun. And that is the complete "pantheon". To mix Mary into the Trinity (like Muhammad does at least one place in the Quran) just is one more proof for that no god made the Quran, and for that Muhammad did not understand the trinity. Mary and the other saints (only for the Catholics, and not for all of them) are not divine. In Islam some good Muslims end in the higher heavens closer to Allah. In the same way Catholics believe that some really good Christians end up closer to God in Heaven - though figuratively. And just like Muhammad claimed he can interfere for whom he like on the Last Day, Catholics believe that as these normal, but good, humans called saint can interfere with God on our behalf, as they are closer to him. But as this is not a part of the Bible, the Protestants - and the Sunni Muslims - may be right: May be there are no saints.

085 9/40g: "- - - (Allah*) strengthened him (Muhammad*) with forces which ye (humans*) saw not (= angels*) - - -". Often claimed - especially in connection to battles - but never proved.

086 9/74e: "- - - they (hypocrites*) uttered blasphemy (disbelief in Muhammad and the Quran*), and they did it after accepting Islam - - -". It is not possible to utter blasphemy by disbelieving in Allah or Muhammad, unless Allah really exists an in addition is a god (not f.x. something from the dark forces - Muhammad would not have a chance to see the difference f.x. between a dressed up devil and the angel Gabriel).

087 9/97-99: Can these verses at all have been written billions of years ago and be copy of a "mother book" from before ages - may be always existed - and revered by a god and his angels in Heaven? Not unless the predestination is 100%, and even then it is not worthy of reverences from angels, not to mention from and omniscient god. (If you go looking, you will find a number of such doubtful points in the Quran).

088 9/99a: "- - - some of the desert Arabs (nomads*) believe in Allah and the Last Day, and look on their payments (tax/zakat*) as pious gifts bringing them nearer to Allah - - -. Aye, and indeed they (and perhaps Muhammad's prayers*) bring them nearer (to Him (Allah*))". No comments except: A nice reward - - - if Allah exists and is a god (quite a surprise to some Muslims if he turns out to be someone from the dark forces who sometimes dressed up like the angel Gabriel to meet Muhammad - a possibility which the f.x. immoral parts of the Quran's moral code may point to.

089 9/100-101: Can these verses at all have been written billions of years ago and be copy of a "mother book" from before ages - may be always existed - and revered by a god and his angels in Heaven? Not unless the predestination is 100%, and even then it is not worthy of reverences from angels, not to mention from and omniscient god. (If you go looking, you will find a number of such doubtful points in the Quran).

090 9/116f: "Except for Him (Allah*) ye have no protector nor helper". Wrong according to the Quran - the book tells that angels may be protectors, that Muslims are the protectors of each other (and non-Muslims of each others), and that Muhammad even may protect, or at least intercede for, the ones he wants, even at the Day of Doom - one of the reasons for being friendly and obedient to him?

091 10/9f: "- - - Gardens of Bliss." One of the Quran's names for Paradise. The Quran describes Paradise like the dream of a poor, naive warrior in a hot desert about the life of a rich king on Earth: Good food and drinks, exquisite clothes and flat/house, luxury, cool shades, rivers, a harem, and not much more except that Allah is not too far off. A very boring "life" in the long run. (Little is said about "life" in Paradise for women or for children. What counts in the Quran is the man - the warrior). Also see separate chapter in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".

For comparison: The Bible tells that you become "like an angel" in its Paradise. The same god? - at least very far from the same paradise.

##092 11/2b: “(Say) ‘Verily, I (Muhammad') am (sent) unto you (people*) from Him (Allah*) - - -“. According to Ibn Warraq and to Muhammad Asad the word “(Say)” does not exist in the Arab original. This means that here it is Muhammad who speaks. There are a few places (8? + angels speaking according to Ibn Warraq) like that in the Quran. But how is it possible that Muhammad speaks in a book (presumed to (?) be made by Allah or existed since eternity – and sent down by Allah? (Some Muslims say the word is just forgotten – but how many more words may then have been forgotten in the Quran?). Also see 2/286c.

093 11/12d (Medina?): "Why is not a treasure sent down to him (Muhammad*), or why does not an angel come down with him?" This is one of the many requests for proofs or at least a real sign Muhammad had to explain away - he was never able to prove even his smallest claims concerning central parts of Islam. He had to use fast-talk or worse to waylay such requests. And who is it normally who has to relay on fast-talk and worse? The cheat and the deceiver.

094 11/69a: “There came Our (Allah’s*) Messengers to Abraham - - -“. It is clear from the following verses that these messengers were angels. But this is clearly contradicted by:

  1. 12/109: “Nor did we send before thee (humanity, man*) (as Messengers) any but men.”
  2. 16/43: “And before thee (Muhammad*) also the Messengers we sent were but men - - -“.
  3. 21/7: “Before thee (Muhammad*), also, the messengers we sent were but men”.
  4. 25/20: “And the messengers whom We (Allah*) sent before thee were all (men) - - -.”

Well, 3/42 - 6/130 - 11/69 – 11/77 – 11/81– 19/17b – 19/19 – 22/75 all say that not all were men. A nice little contradiction to 12/109 – 16/43 – 21/7 – 25/20 which all says all messengers were men.

(8 contradictions - actually many more, as each "yes" contradicts each "no").

095 11/70a: "But when he (Abraham*) saw they (his guests*) went not towards the (meal) - - -". Many places in the world it was a wise custom not to eat when visiting an enemy - the food could be poisoned. Here it is indicated that Abraham feared they could be enemies as they would not eat his food. But the real reason was that they were angels, and it is implicated in the Quran that angels do not eat (contradiction to the Bible - 1. Mos. 18/8 - the 3 visitors ate).

096 11/71c: "- - - she (Sarah*) laughed - - -". Muslim scholars still are debating why she laughed, because there is no clear reason. Also the Bible tells she laughed, but because the angels told such an old couple was going to have a child. In the Quran she laughed before she got this message, and one does not really understand why.

097 11/77a: “When Our (Allah’s*) Messengers (it is clear from the text they were angles (they f.x. ate no food*) came to Lut (Lot*) - - -.” But this is clearly contradicted by:

See identical comments to 11/69a above.

(8 contradictions - or more.)

098 11/81a: “(The angel messengers (from Allah*)) said: O Lut (Lot*)! We are Messengers from thy Lord!” But this (that they were angles) is clearly contradicted by:

Identical comments to 11/69a above.

(8 contradictions).

099 12/31f: "This (Joseph*) is none other than a noble angel!" Not from the Bible - then from where?

##100 13/11a: "For every (such person (here in reality everybody*)) there are (angels) in succession (= working shifts*), before and behind him - - -". Remember this and similar verses each time the Quran or a Muslim tells you that angels could not visit Muhammad and prove to his followers and doubters and opponents that he spoke the truth, because the sending down of angels meant that the Day of Doom had arrived.

*101 13/13a: “- - - the thunder repeateth His praises, and so do the angels - - -“. Hardly – the thunder is just a natural and automatic reaction to the lightning (which again is natural and automatic reactions to electrical charges). Islam will have to prove that the thunder – vibrations in the air - has enough brain to be able to prize Allah in this way, in order to be believed. A case of animism (animism is typical mainly for primitive religions and fairy tales). And the angels? - perhaps. If they exist and if Allah exists and is a god. Also see 11/7a above.

##102 13/23–24b: “Gardens of perpetual bliss: they (Muslims*) shall enter there, as well as the righteous among their fathers, their spouses, and their offspring - - - how excellent is the final Home.” And all shall live in luxury - and plenty of sex for the men. Totally incompatible with the Bible, and at least a 110% proof for that with so different paradises, Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - in Yahweh's paradise you "will be like angels" (f.x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17).

103 14/23e: "- - - Gardens beneath which rivers flow - - -". The most frequently used Arabism in the Quran. And as said: Muhammad's Paradise is like the life of the very rich + more water and women, as seen through the eyes of primitive and poor male dwellers of a hot desert. But Allah should be the god of the entire world and all people. And why such a primitive paradise? – because as paradises come, this is a primitive one, and in the long run also a very boring one.

The many and fundamental differences between Yahweh's Paradise (where you become like the angels) and the one of Allah is one of the many absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, the Paradise had been one and the same.

104 15/7a: "Why bringest thou (Mohammad*) not angels to us (non-Muslim*) - - -". See 15/6b above.

105 15/7b: "Why bringest thou (Mohammad*) not angels to us if it be that thou hast (speak*) the Truth?" One more of the many requests for proofs - requests Muhammad always had to evade, ####sometimes with lies like "no-one will believe even if they get sure proofs/miracle". Muhammad was too intelligent not to know this was untrue - some/many had come to believe. The only normally intelligent and educated person believing in excuses like this one, is the person who strongly wants to believe, or who is so brainwashed that his brain does not work.

106 15/7+8: “’Why bringest thou (Mohammad*) not angels to us if it be that thou hast (speak*) the Truth?’ We (Allah*) send not the angels down unless for just cause: if they came (to the ungodly), behold, no respite would they have (it would suddenly be the Day of Doom*).”

#####It is no just cause to prove to millions of non-Muslims and to doubting Muslims that Islam is a true religion? See 6/8a+b+c above.

107 15/8c: "- - - no respite would they (the ungodly*) have". = it would automatically be the Day of Doom for them. But this is contradicted by the "fact" that there all the time are angels around every human being noting down all their good and bad deeds, according to the Quran.

108 15/29a: "- - - fall ye (angels*) down in obeisance unto him (Adam*)". This is not from the Bible, and you find nothing even remotely similar in that book.

109 15/29b: "- - - fall ye (angels*) down in obeisance unto him (Adam*)". Here we have yet another fundamental difference between Yahweh's religious establishment and the one of Allah. That the angels should prostrate themselves for and pay obeisance to man, proves that man is high above the angels in the Quran. The relative position between man and angels is not specified in the Bible, but there is no doubt that they are of a higher standing than an earthbound man.

##110 15/30a: "So the angels prostrated themselves (for Adam) - - -". Proving that man is something much higher than Allah's angels. And on background of that in the Bible angels are something of high esteem - not specified, but clearly higher than man - it at the same time is proving that there is a marked difference between the Biblical angels of Yahweh and Allah's angels - a clear proof for that the two gods and their divine spheres are not the same, as their angels are of different value and standard compared to man - Allah's ones clearly much lower than Yahweh's, as they are lower than man.

111 15/30b: "So the angels prostrated themselves (for Adam) - - -". Just for the record: You find nothing like this in the Bible - there the angels belong to a higher sphere than man. One of the proofs for that the Bible and the Quran represent different gods and different religions.

112 15/30-31: "So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together: Not so Iblis - - -". This verse makes trouble for Islam. It is nowhere directly said what kind of being Iblis - the Devil - were. Here it is indicated that he was one of the angels. But Allah created the angels from light, whereas it is clearly stated a couple of places in the Quran that Iblis was created from fire, and in that case he should be a jinn. It may also be added that many Muslims mean that all this was theater arranged by Allah to fulfill his great Plan - Iblis could not make a Hell against Allah's will, as Allah is omnipotent. But what does that in case tell about the merciful and benevolent god Allah

113 15/45-47: “The righteous (will be) amid Gardens and fountains (of clear-flowing water. (Their greeting will be): ‘Enter ye here in Peace and security’. And We (Allah*) shall remove from their hearts any lurking sense of injury: (they will be) brothers (joyfully) facing each other on thrones (of dignity).” An existence one could envy them - - - if it was not for all that is wrong in the Quran, that results in a lurking feeling of “what if”. – what if all this also is wrong? – what if it is fairy tales to attract people – and warriors - to build a platform of power for someone? – and even worse for the ones believing in religion: What if there exists a real religion somewhere, one that Islam blocks the road to? (What is totally sure at least, is that the Quran neither is made by an omniscient nor by a benevolent god).

The many and fundamental differences between Yahweh's (where you become like the angels) and the one of Allah is one of the many absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, the Paradise had been one and the same.

###114 15/51b: "- - - the guests of Abraham - - -". According to the Quran these were some angels in the shape of men, who later continued to Lot. According to the Bible it was Yahweh and 2 angels - all three in the shape of men. (1. Mos. 18/1, 18/10, 18/13, 18/17, 18/20, 18/22, 18/26, 18/33 - When the word "Lord" is used like here in the Bible, it always means Yahweh.). The two angels later continued to Lot in Sodom (1. Mos. 19/1).

115 15/51-60: The angels visiting Abraham - details different from and/or often contradicting the Bible. This story - like a number of others - are with variations told several times in the Quran (as said viewed as literature the Quran is not a good book - f.x. often boring and repeating itself like here).

Not mentioned just here, is that the Quran claims Abraham built the Kabah mosque in Mecca - not mentioning that it is some 750 miles/1200 km by air and mostly harsh desert between Canaan (and also Sinai) where Abraham lived and Mecca. You are free to believe it.

116 15/52b: "He (Abraham*) said (when the angels came*):, 'We feel afraid of you'". In the Bible ha did not feel so, but gave them food, which they ate (1. Mos. 18/8) - - - which contradicts other places in the Quran which claims that Abraham grew afraid of his guests because they did not eat. (In the old times it might mean they were enemies who were afraid of poisoned food.)

117 15/57b: "- - - O ye messengers (of Allah) - - -". As these were angels, it is worth remembering this sentence, because the Quran some places says all messengers to man were men.

118 15/63-66: In the Bible these messages - in other words - were not delivered until after the angels had sent away the inhabitants of Sodom ("struck them with blindness").

119 15/72c: "- - - in their wild intoxication, they (the men from Sodom and perhaps Gomorrah*) wandered in distraction, to and fro". If they were wild from erotic lust, it sounds unlikely that they wandered to and fro in distraction. The explanation in the Bible would have cooled them down, though: The angels struck them with blindness (1. Mos. 19/11).

120 16/2a: “He (Allah*) sent down His angels with inspiration (“ruh”*) - - -.” Remember this when you come to verses where Muhammad tells Allah cannot send down angels to prove his existence or Muhammad's connection to a god, because that will mean the Day of Doom has arrived.

121 16/2b: “He (Allah*) sent down His angels with inspiration (“ruh”*) - - -.” It may here be worth reminding you that Yahweh did not use inspiration when giving messages to his prophets - he either used direct contact, visions or dreams (4. Mos. 12/6-8). Yahweh and Allah the same god? No.

122 16/2d: “He (Allah*) doth send down His angels with inspiration (“ruh”) - - -.” But the Arab word “ruh” used here does not really mean inspiration – it means spirit or the Spirit (or the Holy Spirit) or the breath of life. We may add that Muslims often claims that the Holy Spirit just is another name for the angel Gabriel (an idea no-one who reads the Bible with an open mind would get). But here it is clear that the (Holy) Spirit – “ruh” – is not included among the angels (the angels transported the "ruh"). (Actually Muhammad never quite understood what the Holy Spirit – one of it’s at least 8-10 names – was). Also see f.x. 70/4a, 78/38 and 97/4c where the same word – “ruh” – is used (it is used 21 times in the Quran).

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong argument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

123 16/28a: "- - - those whose lives the angels take in a state of wrongdoing - - -". Non-Muslims or bad Muslims.

124 16/32a: "- - - those whose lives the angels take in a state of purity - - -". = Good and obedient Muslims.

125 16/35a: "The worshippers of false gods - - -". An interesting point here is that Muhammad reckoned Christians to believe Jesus was/is such a false god - Muhammad never understood the Gospels and the rest of NT on points like this. The Bible do not say Jesus is a god, only that he is divine - a prince is not a king, even if he belongs to the royal family (and in this case he also never will become a king, as the king - Yahweh - is eternal). Muhammad also never understood the Trinity dogma, and believed it consisted of Yahweh, Jesus and Mary instead of of Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (though he may be right that the Trinity dogma is not correct - the three may perhaps not be one - that dogma is manmade and may be wrong, as this is not said in the Bible. It is a Christian dogma from the 4. century, and it got its present form from the so-called Cappadocian Fathers (Gregory of Nyassa (332-395), Basil the Great (320-79), Gregory of Nazeanzus (329-389)). The nearest you come in the Bible is that Jesus said that he and his father, Yahweh, were one.)). And to finish the Trinity: The Holy Spirit is a kind of messenger or ambassador for Yahweh - one hardly with any will of its own. And just to mention it: Many Muslims claim the Holy Spirit just is another name for the archangel Gabriel. No-one who really knows the Bible would ever get that idea - the claim was not even worth a comment if it was not because many Muslims do not know any better and believe in it. It also is not said in the Quran.

126 16/43b: “And before thee (Muhammad*) also the Messengers We (Allah*) sent were but men - - -“. This is contradicted by verses in the Quran telling that angels were sent as messengers (beware: the Quran here says Messengers, not Prophets) to at least Abraham, Lot, and Mary, and that Jinns were sent as messengers to Jinns, (only men 12/109 - 21/7 - 25/20).

  1. 3/42: “Behold the angels (plural*) said (when they came to tell Mary she was going to have the baby Jesus*)”.
  2. 6/130: “O ye assembly of Jinns and men! Came there not unto you messengers (from Us, Allah*) from amongst you - - -.” A rhetoric question demanding the answer “yes” – yes, there came Jinn messengers from Allah to the Jinns, and human messenger from Allah to the humans.
  3. 11/69: “There came Our (Allah’s*) Messengers to Abraham - - -“. It is clear from the following verses that these messengers were angels.
  4. 11/77: When Our (Allah's*) messengers came to Lut (Lot*) - - -". The same angels who visited Abraham".
  5. Also the messengers to Mary were angels according to both the Bible and the Quran.

At least 4 contradictions.

In addition there are the contradictions to the Bible if Islam claims Yahweh=Allah. Also there are angels and there are the Holy Spirit all bringing messages + at least 4 female prophets. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

127 16/49b: “And to Allah doth obeisance all that is in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth, whether moving (living) creatures or the angels - - -“. The Bible makes no religious claims on inanimate things or beings without mental capacity - such claims belong in fairy tales (but then the Quran has got some of its tales from fairy tales, etc.). But it contradicts claims like this when it comes to humans and angels - for them there is Yahweh to respect and pray to.

128 16/50a: “They all (all living beings*) revere their Lord (Allah*) - - -”. Wrong – if Islam does not produce good proofs. See 16/49a+b above.

129 16/50b: "- - - and they (all living beings and angels*) do all that they are commanded". Allah decides literally absolutely everything for everyone and everything everywhere. Predestination. But is the sentence true?

130 16/57a: "And they (pagan Arabs at the time of Muhammad*) assign daughters for Allah!" Many believed angels were daughters of Allah, but more central is that the three main goddesses - just below the main god al-Lah/Allah (by Muhammad renamed only Allah) - al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat - officially were his daughters in the old pagan Arab religion from where Muhammad took his god".

131 16/102b: “- - - the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation - - -“. Muhammad Azad: “The Message of the Quran” tells that the Arab word “ruh al-qudus” (= the Holy Spirit) is used 3 times in the Quran (2/87, 5/110 – both connected to Jesus – and here), and that here it means the angel Gabriel. The Holy Spirit in Arab = Gabriel? That in case means that in 2/87 and 5/110 Jesus is strengthened with the angel Gabriel - a bit far from what the Bible tells. (It is likely Islam sets the Holy Spirit = Gabriel because the Quran tells that Gabriel brought large parts of the Quran (other parts came to him in dreams, by "inspiration", etc.), so that when it says that the Holy Spirit brought him verses, that must mean that the book is talking about Gabriel - not 100% logical to say the least of it. (But Muslims often are quick to go from "this may be so" to "this is so" and sometimes even to "this is a proof"). Also see 2/97. (There are texts in the Bible making this impossible - f.x. that the disciples of Jesus each got a part of the Spirit, whereas angels do not split into pieces. Besides the Bible very well knows the difference between angels and spirits. And not to forget: It is nowhere said in the Quran that Gabriel = the Holy Spirit.)

132 16/102c: (YA2141): "- - - the Holy Spirit - - -". YA's comment: = The title of the Angel Gabriel - - -". This is a claim you sometimes meet from Muslims. But no-one who ever read the Bible with an open mind, would ever get such an idea (and even the Quran does not say so) - the Holy Spirit clearly is something special in the Bible, and something much more and much more essential than even an arch angel. Besides the Bible knows very well the difference between a spirit and an angel - and in the Bible Gabriel is not even an ordinary angel, but an arch-angel. And: When the Holy Spirit came to the disciples of Jesus after he had left them, it split or splintered off something and took part in each of them. No angel could be split in 11 (Judas Iscariot was not there naturally) or more. Some spirits can.

133 17/40a: "Has then your Lord (O Pagans!) preferred for you sons, and taken for Himself (al-Lah/Allah*) daughters - - -?" The angels and the central goddesses al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat, were reckoned to be the daughters of al-Lah/Allah (by Muhammad only named Allah) in the old Arabia. In a strictly masculine society Muhammad obviously thought it was a heavy and killing argument that as all men wanted sons and not daughters, it was unthinkable that a god should want daughters! Any god had known that in many cultures the religion you would meet "mother" goddesses and there this argument was laughable or at least invalid, and used universal arguments instead - at least if he wanted the religion to be universal.

134 17/61a: "Behold We (Allah*) said to the angels: 'Bow down to Adam'". This is not from the Bible, and there is nothing even remotely similar there.

135 17/61b: "Behold We (Allah*) said to the angels: 'Bow down to Adam'". This is one of the many clear proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god: In the Quran man is superior to angels. In the Bible the situation is not as clearly told as in the Quran, but angels clearly are "higher" than man. Which shows that Yahweh's angels are not the same as Allah's, and thus also that the Paradises are different (angels are an integrated part of Yahweh's Paradise, but are not mentioned in Allah's except that they exist) are different. With marked different angels and very marked different Paradises, the two are not the same god.

136 17/78b: "- - - the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony". We have not found any Muslim source giving a good explanation for what here is meant. But we have found some unscientific mysticism about angels, and sparks of Allah's light, and intuition all being special at daybreak. Often far from clear language in the Quran.

137 17/79c: "- - - soon will thy Lord (Allah*) raise thee (Muhammad*) to a Station (Heaven*) of Praise and Glory (a top position -"Maqam Mahmud" - in Paradise*)". One more proof for that Yahweh's and Allah's paradises are very different, and that thus Yahweh and Allah cannot be the same god: In Yahweh's Paradise the humans "become like angels" (Mark 12/25) and not one single place in the entire NT there is said anything about anyone being different in Paradise (little is said about Paradise in OT). In Allah's Paradise there is aristocracy and even the commoners are divided in 4 or 6 or more gardens, one better than the other. Yahweh and Allah the same god? You bet!

138 17/85a: "- - - the Spirit - - -". Most Muslim scholars mean this is a reference to the Holy Spirit (mentioned 3-4 times in the Quran), though other explanations are possible - like Islam claims, the Quran has a very distinct language, easy to understand and impossible to misunderstand(?). But many of the scholars mix the Holy Spirit with the arch angel Gabriel - Gabriel brought messages to Muhammad according to the Quran, and the Holy Spirit a few times did the same - "ergo" the Holy Spirit must be Gabriel, Q.E.D. No comments except that no really knower of the Bible - Christian, Jewish, or something else - would ever get that idea if the book is read with an open mind.

139 17/95b: "If there were settled, on earth, angels walking about in peace and quiet, We (Allah*) should certainly have sent down from heaven an angel for a messenger". The underlying meaning is that as angels do not live on Earth, Allah could not use angels as messengers for beings living on Earth. But according to the Quran Allah used angels for such jobs - to f.x. Abraham. Lot, Mary and Jesus (remember also that the Holy Spirit = the angel Gabriel according to many Muslims). Muhammad sometimes uses different excuses for why angels cannot come and prove he has supernatural connections or give proofs for the existence of Allah (obvious excuse is the claim that Allah cannot send down angels, because that would mean the Day of Doom had arrived, or that it would give no good results because angels would have to take the shape of med - he does not explain why.

This is one more of Muhammad's "explanations" for why Allah could not send proofs for his claimed existence and power, or for Muhammad's connection to the claimed god.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong argument, that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

###140 18/31a: A partly description of the Islamic Paradise. As you see it is like a poor and naive person’s vision of an earthly king's luxurious life, with good food and drinks and lots of women. Very different from the Bible's Paradise where people become "like angels" (Luke 20/3), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). Not to mention ""When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Mark12/25). Definitely not the same gods - their paradises are extremely different. Yet another proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same one - the differences are so extreme between the two paradises, that this proof must be set to 200% sure.

141 18/49a: "- - - the Book (of Deeds) - - -". The Quran tells that angels surround you and write down everything you do of good and bad in a book - the Book of Deeds. BUT WHY DOES A PREDESTINING, OMNISCIENT GOD NEED A BOOK?

  1. Why? - if Allah is omniscient he knows everything without cumbersome books?
  2. And why write down in books if necessary? - any god would know easier and more efficient methods - though Muhammad not.

##142 18/50a: "- - - We (Allah*) said to the angels. 'Bow down to Adam.'". This is not from the Bible, and it is one of the more than 100% roofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. In Allah's paradise, man clearly has measurably higher standing than angels. In Yahweh's the lines are not as clearly told, but it is very clear that angels are of higher standing than man. Add this to man's life in the paradises: Allah's offer resurrection in body, top earthly luxury and plenty of women - and no mental activity. In Yahweh's the resurrected souls becomes like angels. There are nearly no similarities at all, and the differences are formidable. Not the same paradise - not the same god.

143 18/50b: (A18/53 – omitted in 2008): “Behold, We (Allah*) said to the angels,’ Bow down to Adam’: they bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns - - -.” But here is a clear mistake – or more likely; A. Yusuf Ali’s religion and al-Taqiyya may have suppressed his honesty: The original Arab text here do not say he was a jinn: It says something like (translated from Swedish): “He (Iblis*) belonged to the multitude of invisible beings” - and also angels are invisible. The text here honestly and clearly indicates that he was an angel before he became the Devil - "We said to the angels" are words clearly including Iblis. On the other hand the Quran other places tells he was made from fire, which in case means he according to this book in reality was a jinn. This is one more place where the Muslim scholars agree that the text in the Quran is wrong (though they never say this in clear words) as it here clearly is indicated that Iblis was an angel.

144 19/17c: “- - - We (Allah*) sent to her our angel (singular – to tell Mary she was going to have the baby Jesus*), and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.” Also 19/9 tells only about one. There is a distinct difference between one and three or more. (If there had been only two, Arab had used grammatical dualis/dual, and been translated “our two angles”):

  1. 3/42: “Behold the angels (plural - remember that Arab needs minimum 3 to use plural*) said (when they came to tell her she was going to have the baby Jesus*)”. A small, but distinct contradiction.

145 19/17d: “- - - We (Allah*) sent to her (Mary*) our angel (singular – to tell her she was going to have the baby Jesus*), and he appeared before her as a man in all respects.”

  1. 12/109: “Nor did we send before thee (humanity, man*) (as Messengers) any but men.”
  2. 16/43: “And before thee (Muhammad*) also the Messengers we sent were but men - - -“.
  3. 21/7: “Before thee (Muhammad*), also, the messengers we sent were but men”.
  4. 25/20: “And the messengers whom We (Allah*) sent before thee were all (men) - - -.”

Well, 3/42 - 6/130 - 11/69 – 11/77 – 11/81– 19/17b – 19/19 – 22/75 all say that not all were men. A nice little contradiction to 12/109 – 16/43 – 21/7 – 25/20 which all says all messengers were men.

(4 contradictions).

*146 19/18c: “- - - I (Mary, mother of Jesus*) seek refuge from thee to (Allah) Most Gracious: (come not near) if thou dost fear Allah”. It is highly unlikely that a Jew - and especially one working in Yahweh's temple (though this is another piece of contradiction in the Quran to the Bible and to historical facts, as she lived in Nazareth according to the Bible, days away from Jerusalem (Luke 1/26-27) and besides was a woman and of the tribe of Judah, and for both reasons could not work in the Temple) - should seek refuge from a then highly polytheistic god from another country. As one see from what happened to Jesus, the monotheism and Yahweh were strong in Israel at that time. If the Quran had been telling the truth when it tells that Mary was working in the Temple, it is absolutely impossible - she had got into serious troubles if she addressed any other god than Yahweh (but then the Quran most likely is wrong also on this point - We have found nothing about Mary working in the Temple in the Bible or any other source, and if it had been true, most or all Christian sources had mentioned it, as it would mean one more connection between Jesus and Yahweh. (Actually it is incorrect that she worked in the Temple. This legend is taken from the apocryphal - made up - “’proto gospel’ after Jacob” - - - but Muslims all the same tell that the differences between the Quran and the Bible is because the bad non-Muslims have falsified the latter one – not because Muhammad ever so often used twisted fairy tales as basis for stories in the Quran.) Our Muslim sources also do not mention if there exists any other reliable source for this story in the Quran - which Islam frequently does not do when they have no sources, only statements built on nothing or, like here, on what legends and stories and fairy tales the story-tellers told in long evenings. Her work in the Temple simply is a fairy tale shined up and used like a true story in the Quran (this even more so as our sources tell that all workers in the Temple were men, and only from the Levi tribe) - by Allah or by Muhammad, and presumably sent down from Allah and copy from the Mother Book in Heaven, a book perhaps made by Allah, but most likely - according to Islam - never made, but existed from eternity (impossible as angels are speaking at least one place in the book - it must be made after the first angels were created. Not to mention that Muhammad speaks some 8+ places in the book).

You are free to believe it if you want.

147 19/19: “He (the angel*) said: ‘Nay, I am only a messenger from thy (Mary’s*) Lord - - -“. But contradictions:

  1. 12/109: “Nor did we send before thee (humanity, man*) (as Messengers) any but men.”
  2. 16/43: “And before thee (Muhammad*) also the Messengers we sent were but men - - -“.
  3. 21/7: “Before thee (Muhammad*), also, the messengers we sent were but men”.
  4. 25/20: “And the messengers whom We (Allah*) sent before thee were all (men) - - -.”

Well, 3/42 - 6/130 - 11/69 – 11/77 – 11/81– 19/17b – 19/19 – 22/75 all say that not all were men. A nice little contradiction to 12/109 – 16/43 – 21/7 – 25/20 which all says all messengers were men.

(4 contradictions).

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#############148 19/19b: "- - - a holy son (Jesus*)". HERE THE QURAN CONFIRMS THAT JESUS WAS HOLY AND THUS RELATED TO WHAT IS HOLY = THE GOD. THAT HE WAS HOLY ALSO CONFIRMS THAT HE WAS SOMETHING MORE THAN A NORMAL MAN. AND NOT LEAST JUST HERE, THAT HE WAS SOMETHING MORE THAN MUHAMMAD, WHO HIMSELF SEVERAL TIMES ADMITTED AND EVEN STATED THAT HE JUST WAS AN ORDINARY HUMAN.

Muhammad very far from was anything holy.

(This is not about angels, just a reminder about something very central and serious.)

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##149 20/99c: "- - - a Message from our (Allah's*) own Presence". = The Quran, which is claimed to be a copy of the timeless "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) which Allah made before the creation of the world or which perhaps has existed since eternity, and which is so good and perfect that Allah and his angels revere it in their Heaven (Look at all the errors, etc. and see if you believe this). Copies of this book is claimed to be sent down to all prophets and messengers for Allah through the times - 124ooo or more according to Hadiths. It is aid the books have varied some from time to time to fit the changing times, but it is not explained how copies of one and the same timeless book can vary - but there is much which is not explained in the Quran, and many contradictions Muslims and Islam refuse to see.

###150 20/116b: “Prostrate yourself to Adam”. This is one of the revealing differences which make it impossible that Yahweh and Allah can be the same god: The differences between the paradises - here the differences between the angels. In Allah's paradise the angels indisputably is of a much lower standing than humans - if not they did not have to prostrate themselves to the humans. In Yahweh's paradise it is not so directly said, but angels clearly are of higher standing than man. (In addition there f.x. are the enormous differences between how humans live in the two paradises). If Yahweh and Allah had been the same god, they had had the same paradise. To use the understatement of the century: That is not the case.

This is one of the at least 100% proofs for that also this of Muhammad's claims is wrong.

humans live in the two paradises). If Yahweh and Allah had been the same god, they had had the same paradise. To use the understatement of the century: That is not the case.

 

This is one of the at least 100% proofs for that also this of Muhammad's claims is wrong.

151 20/116c: "When We (Allah*) said to the angels, 'Prostrate yourselves to Adam', they prostrated themselves, but not Iblis (later the Devil in Islam*) - - -".

Note that Allah only spoke to the angels, and when he then reacted to that Iblis did not obey, it must mean Iblis was an angel. If Iblis was something else, there was no reason for Allah to react, as he then had not ordered Iblis to do anything. This represents a problem for Islam: Was Iblis an angel? But angels according to the Quran is created from light, whereas it is clear that Iblis was created from fire, and thus should be a jinn. The question is not settled yet. Clear language in the Quran?

152 21/7c: "- - - those who possess the Message (of the old*)". The Jews (and the few Christians around). They could have testified that most messengers from the god were men, but would have added that Muhammad all the same was wrong, as some were angels and a few were women. They also would have protested to that the old prophets, not to mention the angles, mainly got their messages by inspiration, because the word is not at all used in such connections in the Bible. Perhaps a bluff by Muhammad to prove he was a real prophet? As claimed he got his messages via inspiration it was good "documentation" to claim the old ones had got their messages the same way.

153 21/26f: "They are (but) servants raised to honor". This also may refer to the angels, which in the old pagan Arab religion also were the daughters of al-Lah/Allah.

154 21/27: "They (likely angels*) speak not before He (Allah*) speaks, and they act in all things by His command". This only can be true if Allah exists.

155 22/23a: “Allah will admit those who believe and work righteous deeds, to Gardens beneath which rivers flow: they shall be adorned therein with bracelets of gold and pearls; and their garments will be of silk”. Like said before: A Paradise like the life of the very rich and kings in and around Arabia at that time, as seen through the eyes of the poor and the primitive. Has an omniscient god nothing better to offer? Also this is a robust proof for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god - their Paradises are totally different: "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Matt. 22/30). To say the least of it: There is some difference between Earth-like luxury plus plenty of sex for the men, and to become like angels. Not the same go, not the same paradise. not the same religion.

156 22/39e: "- - - Allah is Most Powerful for their (Muslims*) aid - - -". This is a claim you frequently meet in the surahs from Medina and the war religion Islam there developed into: Allah is powerful and will help you in battles - aiding you f.x. with thousands of angels of war.

VERY different from NT. And remember: Both science and - against their wish - Islam thoroughly have proved that the Bible, included NT, is not falsified, in spite of Muhammad's - like normal - never proved claims about this.

157 22/56g: "- - - Gardens of Delight". Paradise. Also see 10/9f above.

In the Bible the delight is life like an angel in Paradise. In the Quran it is life like a poor, uneducated, and naive desert dweller's vision of a royal luxury life, included lots of sex. Yahweh and Allah definitely not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion, not to mention in the same line of prophets.

158 22/58i: "- - - truly Allah is He Who bestows the best Provision". If Yahweh's paradise is correctly described in the Bible (one becomes like the angels (f.x. Mark 12/25)), and if Allah's paradise is correctly described in the Quran (a primitive desert dwellers vision of a king's luxury life in laziness + lots of women), both were true, we by far prefer the first one. A royal life and nothing to do would be nice for some time, but exceedingly boring in the long run. Not to mention how it is for women, where perhaps 70 or more women and houris have to share one man according to Hadiths.

159 22/75a: “Allah chooses Messengers from angles and from men - - -.” But not from Jinns? Contradicted by:

  1. 6/130: “O ye assembly of Jinns and men! Came there not unto you messengers from amongst you - - -?” A rhetoric question shoving there came messengers from men to men, and from Jinns to Jinns. Not only from angels and men.

160 23/24f: “- - - if Allah had wished - - - He could have sent down angels (as prophets*) - - -” But for some reasons he either did not wish that, even if that had been far more efficient - or he was not able to (or some human was bluffing?). A NB: Why does the Quran some places tell that Allah cannot prove Islam or Muhammad by sending down angels because that would mean it was the Last Day? Here he tells he could send down if he wanted, and other places he sends them down in the thousands to do battle together with Muslims, or to note down good or bad deeds, or to help. One or a few more would mean nothing for him. Is something a bluff or fast-talk?

161 23/24g: “- - - if Allah had wished - - - He could have sent down angels (as prophets*) - - -”. This is exactly one of the requests Muhammad got from his skeptics - he is using Noah to "show" that earlier Jewish prophets had no angels sent down, too, and thus that this is normal for prophets - and that he himself thus is a normal prophet. Muhammad uses this tactic many times in the Quran.

162 23/35b: "Does he (the claimed Muslim prophet*) promise that when ye (people*) die and ye become dust and bones, ye shall be brought forth (again)?" Remember here that what Muhammad promised and Islam promises, is that Allah shall find all the pieces and juices - all atoms and molecules - you were made by and put everything together again and then wake you up to the claimed next life. The old Arabs knew about a possible waking up of your soul, but this process with putting everything together and waking you up bodily, was a bit hard to swallow - it still is for people knowing some about chemistry, physics, etc. - especially as a life free from the cumbersome body like in NT is a far more attractive alternative for a possible next life. (But in Islam's Paradise most of the pleasures are bodily ones, and then Muhammad needed bodily resurrection - very different from NT where Jesus tells that in Paradise you become like the angels (f. x. Luke 20/36, not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). And also not to mention: "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Mark 12/25)) - the same god and the same Paradise? - impossible.

But a copy of Muhammad's experiences like so much in the Quran - - - "proving" Muhammad's problems were normal for prophets, and that Muhammad thus was a normal prophet - though the greatest one. Not from the Bible.

163 25/7e: "Why were not an angel sent down to him (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad was asked for proofs from very early from both followers and opponents. He never was able to prove anything. And in a way worse: Some of the "explanations" he used for evading the requests for proofs, so obviously were untrue, that an intelligent man like him knew he was lying.

164 25/20b: "- - - men who ate food and walked through the streets - - -". In the Quran this is used like proofs for that certain beings could not be angels. The logic is invalid, as if the god could give angels human bodies, he also could give them bodily functions. (Yahweh and the two angels who visited Abraham near Mamre, ate food according to the Bible - 1. Mos. 18/8).

165 25/21d: "Why are not angels sent down to us (people*) - - -". See 25/7e above.

166 25/22a: "The Day they see the angels - no joy will there be to the sinners that Day - - -". It is indicated here and directly said at least one other place in the Quran that there will be no angels on Earth until the Day of Doom. But this is strongly contradicted by several places telling about much traffic of angels between the Heaven and Earth - sometimes they even are seen by humans. F.x. see 25/20a+b above.

*167 26/193a: “With it (the Quran*) came the Spirit of Faith and Truth”. If truth came down with the Quran, it must have been mutilated later. That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. NB: This is one of the places where Quran mentions "the Holy Spirit", (though the Arab "Al ruh al Amin" normally refers to the archangel Gabriel - but Muslims often mix the two, and many do not even know the difference and believe they are the same. This even though Muslim top scholars know the Bible, and no-one really knowing the Bible would mix the two; for one thing it indirectly, but very clear is told in the texts that the two are two different beings, and for another the writers of the Bible knew the difference between angels and spirits.)

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

168 27/17e: "- - - Jinns - - -". A being "borrowed" by Muhammad from old Arab folklore and pagan religion. They are told in the Quran to be created from fire by Allah. (But would a god - and one for all Earth - have to "borrow" beings from old Arab folklore and pagan religion, (and only from there)?) Or to think the other way around: How come that the old Arab pagan religion had all beings of Heaven, and no other kinds of beings, something no other religion has managed? (To take the central ones for the Quran: Both Islam, the Jews and the Christians have angels, devils and spirits, but only Islam has Jinns, (well, Jews have djinnies, but not in their Bible) a kind of beings which differently from angels and spirits have material bodies - they f.x. can be punished by the fire of Hell, and according to Islam they can marry humans (laws for such marriages exists!!).)

169 27/39a: "- - - an 'Ifritt - - -". A category of Jinns.

Ifritts are supernatural beings "borrowed" from old Arab pagan religion and folklore. They were below angels and devils in power, and were enormous winged creatures made from fire - males and females. Naturally they lived in societies arranged like in old Arabia with kings and tribes and clans - like it fit a claimed god and a claimed religion for the entire world. They generally marry each others, but also may marry humans. They may be Muslims or "unbelievers", good or bad, but most often ruthless and wicked beings. You do not find them in the Bible.

170 29/22b: "- - - nor have ye (humans*), besides Allah, any protector or helper". Contradicted by verses in the Quran telling that Muslims are the protectors and helpers of Muslims, and by verses telling that angels are the protectors and helpers of Muslims.

171 29/29c: "- - - they (the people of Sodom and Gomorrah*) said: 'Bring us the Wrath of Allah - - -". How could this reliably be written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39a, 43/4b+c, 85/21+22) - a timeless book written by Allah before the creation of the world or perhaps existed since eternity, and revered by Allah and by his angels, a book of which the Quran is claimed to be an exact copy - how could this be written into this claimed book eons before it happened, if predestination was/is not 100% (and if there are 100% predestination, in spite of the Quran's never documented claims free will for man is impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god - in the nonmaterial realms of life there are things impossible also for gods. And not less: What is the meaning, purpose and effect of prayers in Islam, if everything is predestined, like the Quran states most clearly several times?

172 29/31a: "When Our (Allah's*) Messengers (angels*) came to Abraham - - -". This contradicts verses in the Quran which tell that messengers to humans only were men. It also contradicts the Quran's claim that the reason why Allah did not send down an angel to prove his own existence or Muhammad's connection to Allah, was that is an angel was sent down, that meant the Day of doom had arrived.

173 29/31b: "When Our (Allah's*) Messengers (angels*) came to Abraham - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells they were from Yahweh - or to be more exact: The three visitors he got were Yahweh himself (1. Mos. 18/1+10+13+17+20+26+30+31+33) and 2 angels (1. Mos. 18/2 and 19/1). Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

174 29/31c: "When Our (Allah's*) Messengers (angels*) came to Abraham with good news (intention of destructing Sodom and Gomorrah*) - - -". But according to the Bible this was not good news to Abraham - he tried to save them (from pity or empathy?) (1. Mos. 18/23-32).

175 29/32c: "- - - we (the angels*) will certainly save him (Lot*) and his following - - - except his wife - - -". In the Quran her death was predestined, in the Bible it was caused by a mistake she did.(1. Mos. 19/26).

176 29/33a: "When Our (Allah's*) Messengers (angels*) came to Lut (Lot*) - - -". See 29/31a-c above.

#177 29/58d: “- - - to them (Muslims*) shall We (Allah*) give a Home in Heaven, lofty Mansions beneath which flow rivers, to dwell therein for aye - - -”. Like life of the super rich on Earth plus plenty of water and women. Pretty different from Yahweh's Paradise: "- - - they will be like angels in heaven"(f.x. Matt. 22/30). The same god?! Answer not necessary. Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets - or even in related lines? Still no answer necessary.

####Also note that this description of Paradise is not from the Bible. And remember: The big differences between Yahweh's and Allah's Paradises are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradise had been one and the same.

178 30/44g: "- - - (good Muslims*) will spread their couch (of repose) for themselves (in heaven)". Some difference from "- - - they are like angels - - -", (f.x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). Yahweh and Allah the same god with so different paradises? You bet!

179 31/21a: “- - - the (Revelations) - - -". Often claimed, but never proved - and even if it had been revelations: From whom or what? There is the TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) which modern medical science suspects. There are dark forces. There is Iblis - the Muslim Devil - dressed up like Gabriel (Muhammad had in case no chance to know the difference). Personally we are skeptical to the idea about Iblis - too many mistakes in the Quran even for a devil. But the possibility remains that the god did not permit him to make the Quran to waylay more humans, unless it contained so many mistakes that normally intelligent persons saw the trap. And there is a cold, scheming brain - perhaps Muhammad's. The only thing which is sure, is that revelations as full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. as the Quran, is not from any god.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

180 32/11b: “The Angel of Death (singular* and obviously a name – capital letters*) - - - will (duly) take your souls - - -.” But:

  1. 39/42: “It is Allah who takes the souls (of men) at death - - -.”
  2. 47/27: “- - - the angels (plural*) take their souls at death - - -.”

(2 contradictions.)

181 33/9f: "- - - and forces ye (the people of Medina*) saw not - - -". After the siege was lifted, Muhammad claimed that part of the reason for the "victory" was an army of warrior angels sent down by Allah.

182 33/28c: “O Prophet (Muhammad*)! Say to thy Consorts - - -". Allah frequently took part in the private life of Muhammad - via a book may be made before the universe was made (13.7 billion years ago) and in any case revered by Allah and his angels as the "Mother Book" (13/39, 43/4, 85/21-22). Believe it if you want - if it is true, it is a 1000% (one thousand %) proof for that no living being ever had a trace of free will throughout the billions of years, and that physicians are wrong about things like chaos and entropy - some of the most basic elements of physics.

183 33/43b: "- - - His (Allah's*) angels - - -". Allah has no angels unless he exists and is a god (we have seen no angels of Iblis/the Devil in the Quran*).

184 33/56a: "Allah and His Angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessing on him, and salute him with all respect". Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Idi Amin and many others would like to be able to use words like this and be believed.

185 34/40b: "Was it you (angels*) that these men (non-Muslims - no women in Islam?*) used to worship?" As for Jews and Christians they never worshipped angels. Perhaps some of the old Arabs?

186 35/1d: "- - - angels, messengers with wings - - -". Contradicts verses telling only men were messengers, at least to men. (A couple of places say jinns to jinns.)

187 35/1e: "- - - angels, messengers with wings - - -". Cherubim had, seraphs had, but for ordinary angels wings are not mentioned in the Bible. (In Christian art angels got wings in the 3. century AD only.)

188 35/1f: "- - - angels, messengers with wings - two or three or four pairs - - -". Highly unlikely - there is a reason why all birds have just one pair of wings (there once existed with 2 pairs of wings, but they were outcompeted), as many extra pairs of wings just would mean turbulence and drag, not lift or speed (to give Gabriel 600 wings like Muhammad does one place, is aerodynamically nonsense). Any god had known, but Muhammad of course knew nothing about aerodynamics. Then who made the Quran?

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

189 36/5b: “It (the Quran*) is a revelation - - -". Is the Quran really a revelation? - and in case from whom or what, as no god ever was involved in a book of that quality? There are these alternatives: Dark forces - Muhammad would not have a chance to see the difference between the angel Gabriel and a dressed up Iblis/Devil. A sick brain - modern medical science strongly suspects that Muhammad had TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy), an illness which can give just the symptoms and religious illusions Muhammad is said to have experienced. Or a cold brain - f.x. Muhammad's. Also see 36/5a just above.

190 36/28b: "- - - hosts from heaven - - -". Muhammad claimed Allah sometimes sent down angels from Heaven to help in battles or to avenge or punish - in this case the verse indicates that Allah thought this was not necessary, but used another punishment instead (see 36/29 just below). (But why can such things at all be necessary if Allah predestines everything?)

##191 37/48c: “And besides them (Muslim men in Paradise*) will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes (of wonder and beauty).” This is one of the 200% sure proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same gods: Their paradises are universes apart - mentally and morally. Allah: Beautiful, obedient women, good food and drinks, shade and plenty of water, and laziness, etc. (little is said about women's paradise). Yahweh: You become like angels (f.x. Mark 12/25).

192 37/134: "- - - We (Allah*) delivered (here: saved) him (Lot*) and his adherents - - -". According to the Bible, it was 2 angels from Yahweh who did this, not Allah.

193 37/150a: "Or that We (Allah*) created the angels female - - -". In the old pagan Arab religion the angels were believed to be females.

194 37/158a: "And they (people*) have invented blood-relationship between him (Allah*) and the Jinns: But the Jinns know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before His Judgment Seat)". To say the least of it: This is not from the Bible. If there had been any connection between Allah and Yahweh, the Jinns and their judgment at least should have been mentioned in the Bible. As for what exactly is meant here with "blood-relationship" (= quite close relatives) we have not found out, as different Muslim scholars give different comments, but it is clear no Muslim likes the accusation. It is clear, though, the old Arabs reckoned the angels to be the daughters of al-Lah/Allah, but the Jinns were not angels.

195 37/164: "- - - those ranged in ranks - - -". This Islamic expression often simply means Muslims - they range themselves in ranks when praying and when going into battle (the ultimate service for Allah). But it may also mean the angels, which it seems to do here. One more unclear point in the Quran.

####196 37/164-166: #####Here according to most Islamic scholars, it is the angles who are talking. That at least means the Quran cannot have existed since eternity, like many Muslims like to believe: It must have been made, and made after at least some angels had been created – if not the angels could not have spoken in the book.(There also are some 8+ places where Muhammad is speaking - an impossibility if the "Mother Book" in Heaven which the Quran is said to be an exact copy of, is really old.)

197 38/25c: "- - - a beautiful place of (final) Return". The Quran's heaven is a tall hierarchy - the better Muslim you have been on this Earth, the better place you get in Paradise. (One of the many proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - also their paradises are too different - in Yahweh's paradise everyone simply "becomes like the angels" (f.x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). According to this verse in the Quran, David got a good place in Paradise.

198 38/40c: "- - - a beautiful place of (final) Return". The Quran's heaven is a tall hierarchy - the better Muslim you have been in this Earth, the better place you get in Paradise. (One of the many proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - also their paradises are too different - in Yahweh's paradise everyone simply "becomes like the angels" (f.x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17).. According to this verse in the Quran, David got a good place in Paradise.

199 38/52b: “And beside them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, (companions) of equal age.” In the Bible the resurrected are above such things as sex, which here is the clear indication "they will neither marry, nor be given in marriage" but "are like angels" (f.x. Luke 20/35-36). One of the 100+% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

200 38/71-85: This is not from the Bible - like so much other "Biblical" text in the Quran.

201 38/72: "- - - fall ye (angels*) down in obeisance to him (Adam*)". Also this is not from the Bible.

202 38/69c: "- - - the Chiefs on high - - -". Who are they? Some Muslims think it means the angels. But angels are not chiefs. All too often the Quran is unclear.

#203 38/73: "So the angels prostrated themselves (for Adam*), all of them together (quite a number - there must be millions and billions according to some places in the Quran and in Hadiths*) - - -". This proves that in the Quran, humans are high above angels as beings. In the Bible this is not clearly defined anywhere, but all the same it is very clear that angels are beings superior to humans. One more clear proof for that that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - also their heavens are too different.

204 38/74a: "Not so Iblis - - -". This sentence creates uncertainty in Islam. Here it sounds like Iblis originally was one of the angels. But other places in the Quran it is told he was created from fire (f. x. in 38/76 below), which means he is a Jinn (angles are made from light according to the Quran).

205 38/74b: "- - - Iblis - - -". The angel or jinn - most likely jinn as he is created from fire, whereas the angels are created from light according to the Quran - who became the Devil (still according to the Quran).

##206 39/4e: (MA 39/4) "He (Allah*) is "limitless in His glory" - i.e. complete in His excellence and utterly remote from all imperfection - He is 'ipso facto' ('eo ipso' in the more reliable Swedish 2002 edition) remote from the incompleteness inherent in the need of, or desire for, progeny, which logically precludes the possibility of His having a son". The logic here is wrong - a wish for company or a co-worker does not have to be because of an imperfection. And wrong also because:

1. Mr. Azad here presumes he knows how a god thinks or wishes. No-one knows that. Then it impossible to make logical conclusions about a god's thoughts, conclusions and deeds, like Mr. Asad here does, as one does not have the necessary knowledge.

2. From the same logic there also would be no angels - no omniscient and omnipotent god needs angels. According to the Quran there all the same are thousands and millions and more of them.

##This argument is an "ad hock" construction made up - partly outside the rules for logical conclusions - for to explain away a problem. You find quite a number of such ones in Islam - frequently outside the rules for logical conclusions like here (often simply omitting facts which would make the conclusion invalid - like here omitting the fact that no human really can know how a god thinks).

#########207 39/32c: "- - - utters a lie concerning Allah - - -". There is no bigger lie against Allah than the Quran, this whether he exists or not. Why we can say this so 100% sure and definitely, is that the book is so full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. that no god has been involved in it, not to mention a claimed omniscient god. It is not possible to say who made it, though there are good reasons for to suspect Muhammad, partly because one recognize the methods used by false prophets, partly because many of the mistakes are things one believed were correct science at his time in that area, partly because it is clear from f.x. Arabisms that it was made in or near Arabia, partly because of all the times Allah helped him with family and other personal problems, partly because he was the main benefactor, partly because it was his platform of power, and not least because the religion changed when Muhammad needed or wanted changes. And not to forget: Partly because no god revere a book of a quality like the Quran and all its errors, etc.

If he was mentally ill like modern medical science suspects, he can however partly have believed in his tales and preaching himself. But he was too intelligent and knew too much about people not to know that he was lying some times, even in surahs and verses in the Quran. Some things there is not possible for an intelligent person knowing people to believe.

But if one believes in supernatural beings, there also is the possibility that the Quran is from the dark forces. If f.x. the Devil dressed up like the angel Gabriel, no human - included - Muhammad would have a chance to know the difference. The partly immoral moral code, the partly unethical ethical code, the partly unjust judicial code, the permission of stealing/robbing, raping, suppressing, enslaving, murdering, etc., etc., may point in this direction.

What do these facts mean for the religion?

Also see 34/8b above.

208 39/35b: "- - - reward according to the best of what they (good Muslims*) have done". In the Quran's paradise according both to the Quran and to Hadiths there are many grades. There are 4 or 6 or more gardens, one better than the other, and in addition there are the higher heavens for especially good Muslims. Allah has to decide - if he has not predestined - which grade you deserve. (We may add that especially if Islam is a made up religion, this with better reward the more eager you are to serve the boss, is very efficient for the boss - and very cheap.)

This is one more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. The Bible does not mention such a system - only that one "becomes like angels".

209 39/42a: “It is Allah who takes the souls (of men) at death - - -.”

  1. 32/11: “The Angel of Death (singular* and obviously a name – capital letters*) - - - will (duly) take your souls - - -.” But:
  2. 47/27: “- - - the angels (plural*) take their souls at death - - -.”

(2 contradictions.)

210 39/75a: “And thou will see the angles surrounding the Throne (divine) on all sides, singing Glory and Prize to their Lord (Allah*)”. As Allah lives above the 7. heaven and mere normal Muslims live far down even in Paradise - in the lowest Heaven - this sight will take a little explaining. The distance simply will be too big (especially as Hadiths indicate there is a long distance between each of the heavens.

211 41/14d: “If our Lord (Allah*) had so pleased, He would certainly have sent down angles (to preach).” There clearly were questions for proofs, but Muhammad - or earlier claimed Arab prophets - never was able to prove anything. Instead he used fast talk, wrong facts, bluffs and glorification of himself and of blind belief - and at least some clear lies.

##212 41/30b: "'Fear ye (Muslims*) not' (they suggest (= this is something happening "now")), 'nor grieve! But receive the Glad Tidings of the Garden (of Bliss), that for which ye were promised!'" (Also see 41/31 and 41/32 below.) Some Muslims claim that the Quran - or really the "mother book" in Heaven which the Quran is an exact copy from - is never made, but has existed since eternity. Here it is proved once more that this claim is not correct: It is angels who are speaking. Which proves that the claimed "mother book" must be younger than the first angels - yes younger than the first humans, as they are speaking to humans - , and the angels have not existed since eternity (and definitely the same goes for humans) - actually they are created by Allah from light, according to the Quran. Worse: They are speaking to Muslims, which means that the claimed "mother book" cannot be older than the first Muslims. Worst: The first sure trace from Muslims is from 610 AD. Is 610 AD the age of the oldest parts of the claimed "mother book"? Also see the rest of this verse and the next two ones.

########213 41/30ba: "'Fear ye (Muslims*) not' (they (angels*) suggest (= this is something happening "now")), 'nor grieve!" Here angels are speaking in the Quran. This is one more proof for that "the Mother of the Book" of which the Quran is a copy according to Islam, cannot have existed since eternity - it cannot have been written until after the first angels were created. Further: The angels are speaking to humans - to good Muslims even. This proves that "the Mother of the Book"/the Quran cannot have been written until after the first humans were created/born.

(There also are some 8+ places in the Quran where Muhammad is speaking - which proves that the Quran cannot be older than Muhammad - at least not if man has the slightest part of free will (even one milligram of free will for man combined with the laws of chaos makes precognition about far future impossible even for a god).

214 41/30c: "- - - the angels descended on them (good Muslims*) (from time to time) - - -". Remember this in the cases where Muhammad explains away his inability to prove Allah or his own connection to a god by f.x. the claim that Allah cannot send angels down to humans, because that will mean the Day of Doom,

##215 41/30f: "- - - the angels continue to descend on them (Muslims*) (from time to time) - - -". A verse to remember each time a Muslim tries to tell you that Allah could not prove his existence to Muhammad and his followers, because that would mean the Day of Doom had arrived (it is said so in the Quran, and you may meet this "explanation" from Muslims).

216 41/31a: The angels continue to speak. See 41/30b and 41/30ba above - and this and next verse below.

217 41/31b: “We (the angels or Allah *) are your protector in this life and in the Hereafter.” But contradicted at least by this:

  1. 2/107: “And beside Him (Allah*) ye have neither patron nor helper.”

218 41/32a: The angels finish their speech in this verse. Also see the two verses above - 41/30 and 41/31.

219 41/38b: "- - - those who celebrate His (Allah's*) praise - - -". Here: Angels or good Muslims. Likely here is intended good Muslims, but it is said "in the presence of (Allah*)", which means in Paradise. And as the Day of Doom has not arrived yet, there cannot be humans in Paradise yet. The Quran and Islam meet the same impossibility each time they tell about humans in Paradise: According to the Quran humans stay in their graves until the Day of Doom. Then they are resurrected and some sent to Hell and others to Paradise. #######THIS MEANS THERE CANNOT BE HUMANS IN PARADISE/HEAVEN UNTIL AFTER THE DAY OF DOOM.

Something to think over f.x. when Muslims tell you about Muhammad's claimed night trip to Paradise/Heaven, where he met Abraham and Moses and many others? As said before: Islam is good at making stories, but weak on logic and on making different aspects and details in the stories or "explanations" fit together and not "kill" each other. (Another point is that neither Muhammad's trip to Jerusalem, nor to Heaven is likely to be true. These tales overwhelmingly likely are fantasies spun over 17/1, which likely mentions a trip Muhammad made from al-Jirana (9 miles/15 km from Mecca) to Mecca and back.)

220 41/45a: “We (Allah*) certainly gave Moses the Book aforetime - - -”. Wrong. Those books were written much later according to science. (Moses according to the Bible only got the 10 commandments in writing. In addition he got the law verbally – parts of what now is “the Books of Moses” (the first 5 books in the Bible) – which he himself wrote down later. Nothing else. And as said: Science confirms that the Torah - the Book of Moses - is centuries younger than Moses).

But quite another fact is that Muhammad claimed that all the old prophets did receive a copy similar to the Quran (copy of "the Mother of the Book" claimed revered by Allah and his angels in Heaven). According to Hadiths Allah must have sent down at least 124ooo copies all over the world. Not one single trace from such a book or from the war and apartheid religion it represented older than 610 AD (when Muhammad started his mission) has been found neither by science nor by Islam.

There also is an extra point here: The so-called Mosaic religion never was a proselyting one. And for nearly 2ooo years Abraham and his descendants never did much proselyting (not until Jesus, who ordered it before he left - and remember here that the Quran (21/91) confirms that Jesus was for all peoples, (and in 19/19 that he was holy, which Muhammad definitely was not)). Islam is a strongly proselyting religion - even by means of strong compulsions and sometimes even death warnings and murder to force people stay or become Muslims. This very central difference - a historical fact - is one more proof for that Abraham and his descendants (f.x. Moses and the Jewish prophets) never were Muslims. This on top of that neither science nor Islam has found traces from a god like Allah, a religion like Islam, a book like the Quran, or prophets preaching Islam before 610 AD, when Muhammad started his proselyting, and this on top of the fact that Abraham like mentioned did not have camels, and thus could not go back and forth between Canaan/Sinai and Mecca like the Quran claims. These are facts from history. Also as far back as history goes, it tells that the Jews had the god Yahweh and the Mosaic religion, not the very different Allah and Islam or similar.

############And not least: We know from as far back as written history goes, and from archeology, etc. even further back, the Mosaic religion was the religion of the Jews, that NT was the religion of Christians - and like mentioned not least that there nowhere or any time before 610 AD is found even traces from a god like the Muslim Allah, a religion like Islam, a book like the Quran, or messengers preaching Islam.

**221 42/22k: "- - - (Paradise is*) the magnificent Bounty (of Allah)". For a claimed eternal paradise run by an omniscient and omnipotent god, we are not impressed: Only earthly luxury + lots of women for the men. F.x. nothing to do and no intellectual activity - a most boring place in the long run. But likely the top of what poor, naive and uneducated desert dwelling rough warriors were able to dream about - like their visualizing of an emperor's life and harem on Earth.

Compare this to Yahweh's, Jesus', and the Bible's Paradise, where "you become like the angels" (Matt. 22/30). Not the same god, not the same religion.

#222 42/30d: (A42/35 - English 2008 edition 42/34): "Since this latter (man’s life in the hereafter*) is but an organic continuation of the earthly life - - -". A very informative sentence - and a universe from the Bible's Paradise, where you become "like the angels in heaven" (f. x. Matt. 22/30). Did anyone claim Yahweh and Allah are the same god? - even their Paradises are incomparable and incompatible. And did anyone claim the basic elements in the religions of all prophets, included Muhammad, are identical? It is so wrong that "wrong" is not even the correct word.

One more of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradises had been one and the same.

223 42/51c: "- - - by inspiration - - -". Muhammad many places in the Quran works to legitimize his own claimed main canal for contact with his claimed god. Inspiration is never mentioned in such connections in the Bible - the Bible even has contradicted this claim in 4. Mos. 12/6-8, saying Yahweh only used direct contact, visions, or dreams. (He also sometimes sent angels, but that is direct contact with Heaven). Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

224 42/52b: "And thus have We (Allah*) - - - sent inspiration to thee (Muhammad*) - - -". "Inspiration" is a very practical way to receive messages: What is really messages, what is wishful thinking, and what is own planning? - impossible for others to say. But even Muslim scholars say there are verses in the Quran which does not fit in a holy book and/or is not worthy of a god - f.x. surah 111.

Also: The word "inspiration" is never used in such connections in the Bible. There like said only are mentioned direct contact (included by angels*), visions, and dreams.

225 43/16a: "What! Has He (Allah*) taken daughters - - -". In the pagan old Arabia the 3 main goddesses al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat and also the angels were reckoned to be the daughters of the main god, al-Lat/Allah, whom Muhammad later took for his god, renamed him to only Allah, and declared he was the only real god (out of some 300 - 400 or more in the old Arabia - there were 360 only in the Kabah until Muhammad threw out all of them except al-Lah/Allah).

###226 43/18: "Is then one who is brought up among trinkets (women*), and unable to give a clear account in a dispute (some Muslim scholars say also this - "unable to give clear account in a dispute" - refers to women, others that it refers to angels - clear language in the Quran*) (to be associated with Allah?)". No, women are not valid to be associated with Allah in Islam. We quote YA4623: "The softer sex (women*) is usually brought up among trinkets and ornaments, and, on account of the retiring modesty (demanded by Islam - in old nomadic Arabia it happened women were even war leaders*) which for the sex is a virtue, is unable to stand up boldly in a fight (a metering stick in Islam - but see just above*) and give clear indications of the will to win. Is that the sort of quality to be associated with Allah?". No comment - except that this is the point of view of a highly educated, modern Muslim. And notice the metering stick.

227 43/19a: "And they (pagan Arabs*) make into females angels - - -". See 43/16a+b above.

228 43/19b: "And they (pagan Arabs*) make into females angels - - -". Muhammad did not only promote the pagan Arab god al-Lah to the universal god Allah, but also changed the old Arabs' female angels to angels without any sex. They are neither male nor female.

229 43/53: "Then why are not gold bracelets bestowed on him (Moses*), or (why) come (not) with him angels accompanying him in procession?" These were questions Muhammad got from skeptics, and it is remarkable how eager Muhammad was to project his own position in life and his own problems, into the claimed lives of earlier prophets or claimed prophets - a way of telling his followers and others that his problems were normal ones for prophets, and thus that he was a normal prophet. That the above topics are not mentioned in the Bible at all, did not matter - he got a little legitimating from it.

230 43/60b: “And if it were our (Allah’s*) Will, We could make angels from amongst you (non-Muslims*) - - -.” Then why not? - it had been a much more efficient way of saving the souls of people - if Muhammad spoke the truth - than self proclaimed prophets, terror and war. But may be Muhammad bluffed?

231 43/60c: “And if it were our (Allah’s*) Will, We could make angels from amongst you, succeeding each other on the earth". Remember this next time you read in the Quran Muhammad explaining that Allah cannot send angels to Earth as proof for a god, because that will mean it is the Day of Doom. To send angels only depended on Allah's will, not on the Day of Doom.

232 43/71-73: What an empty paradise - all is about earth-like luxury (+ lots of sex for the men), etc. What a difference to Yahweh's Paradise where you "are like the angels" (Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). The same god? - impossible with so different Paradises (in addition to all the other differences). The differences of the paradises are one of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same line of anything of any essence, not even in the same religion.

233 44/5b: "(wisdom - the Quran - is sent*) - - - from Our (Allah's*) presence". The Quran claims it is an exact copy of the claimed "Mother of the Book" (13/39b, 43/4b-c above, and 85/21-22 below), and according to Islam either made by Allah before creation of the world, or never created, but existed since eternity - even though both angels and Muhammad speak in it, and even though if man has even the smallest part of free will, this gives hundreds and may be more historical or time anomalies. It is further claimed that the claimed "Mother Book" is so excellent that it is revered by Allah and his angels in his Heaven. Please engage your knowledge and brain and not only your eyes, and read the Quran - an exact copy of this claimed "Mother Book" - and see for yourself what that book really is worth.

234 47/2c: "- - - (Revelation) - - -". Was it really revelation? - or was it an illness, like TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) like modern medical science believes? - or was it all made up by Muhammad or some? - or a mixture of this, f.x. some TLE and some made up? And if it was revelation, then from whom? All the mistakes prohibit a god. The partly horrible moral codes, laws and rules for waging war and parts of the sharia laws may indicate dark forces - and Muhammad would not have a chance recognizing Iblis - the Devil - dressed up like the Arch Angel Gabriel. But would even a devil make a book with so much wrong facts, etc.? - he had to know that sooner or later he would be looked through. There also are all the mistakes which are correct compared to wrong knowledge one had at the time of Muhammad, and all the tales, etc. taken from in and around Arabia at that time, which both cry: Made by man at the time of Muhammad - perhaps by Muhammad himself.

What is sure is that no book as full of errors, etc. as the Quran is from an omniscient god.

235 47/27: “- - - when the angels (plural*) take their (peoples’*) souls at death”. But:

  • 32/11: “The Angel of Death (singular* and obviously a name or a title – capital letters*) - - - will (duly) take your souls - - -.”
  • 39/42: “It is Allah who takes the souls (of men) at death - - -.”
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    (2 contradictions.)

    236 50/17a: "Behold, two (guardian angels) appointed to learn (his (any Muslim's - note: "his", not "her"*) doings) - - -":

    1. Remember the next time you read in the Quran Muhammad explaining away questioned for proofs for Allah, by claiming that sending down angels meant that the Last Day had come.
    2. Why does an omniscient god need angels to note down thing?

     

    237 50/17b: "Behold, two (guardian angels) appointed to learn (his (any Muslim's - note: "his", not "her"*) doings) - - -". Why is this necessary if Allah is omniscient and "sees all and hears all"?

    238 50/18: Similar to 50/17 just above. The angels note down everything you think and say and do - why, if Allah is omniscient?

    239 50/21b: (YA4957): “- - - with each will be an (angel (?*)) to drive, and an (angel (?*)) to bear witness.” Several interpretations are possible according to Muslim scholars: 1) It may refer to the 2 angels Islam claims are at your right and left side to note down good and bad deeds. 2) It may not be angels, but your evil deeds that “drive you like a task-master. 3) “His misused limbs and faculties will drive him to his doom, where his well-used limbs and faculties will witness for him” – to quote “The Meaning of the Holy Quran” exactly. Yes, the language in the Quran is clear and not to be understood - so clear that it is a proof for Allah, because only a god can have written/created it.

    240 51/24a: "- - - the honored guests of Abraham - - -". Some (2 or 3 ?) angels visiting first Abraham and then Lot according to the Quran. According to the Bible it was Yahweh and 2 angels who visited him and the 2 angels afterwards went on to waist Lot (1. Mos. 18/1-33 + 19/1).

    241 51/24b: "- - - the honored guests of Abraham - - -". The Quran does not here clearly tell what kind of beings they were, but other places make it clear they were angels. Worth remembering next time you read in the Quran that Muhammad "explaining" that Allah cannot prove his existence or any connection to Muhammad by sending down angels to prove it, because to send down angels meant that the Day of Doom had arrived.

    We may add that according to the Bible, the guests were Yahweh himself plus two of his angels (1. Mos. Ch. 18, several verses) - the two angels later went on to Lot like the Quran tells.

    242 51/28a: "Will ye not eat?" In the Quran heavenly beings do not eat. In the Bible they may - or perhaps need - to do so when they have taken on human bodies (like here and f.x. like Jesus if he was from the white forces). One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

    243 51/35-36: (A51/23 – omitted in the English 2008 edition): Who is talking in these two verses? – are it the angels who continues from 51/34, or is it Allah who has that has started speaking? Islam guesses.

    244 52/20a: "They (Muslims in Paradise*) will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks - - -". Those ranks must be enormous - - - and stereotype and monotonously boring. And very different from the Paradise described in the Bible where you "become like the angels in Heaven" - f.x. Matt 22/30. The same Paradise and the same god? No chance. Too much is fundamentally different. As said: The big differences between the two paradises prove at least 200% that they do not belong to the same god - and thus that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god no matter how strongly the Quran and Muhammad claim so. (Because someone says something, it is not necessarily true - and even more so when the one/ones saying so is/are very unreliable.)

    245 52/23: “They shall there exchange, one with another, a (lowing) cup free of frivolity, free of all taint of ill.” A good cup of wine in Paradise - - - but likely without alcohol(?)

    Another point: In Allah's Paradise people needed food and drink and enjoyed a number of other bodily pleasures. In Yahweh's Paradise one became "like the angels in heaven". (Matt.22/30) Even Muhammad admitted that angels do not eat food. Thus this is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. If they had been, their Paradise had been one and the same.

    246 53/5b: “- - - one Mighty in Power (Allah - by means of the Angel Gabriel*) - - -.” But is Allah mighty in power? – there is not one single proof for that. Lots and lots of words – even big words – but not one single proof. NB: It also may be that "one mighty in power" here means the angel Gabriel himself, not Allah.

    As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

    247 53/13b: "For indeed he (Muhammad*) saw him (the angel Gabriel*) at a second descent". What the Quran here says, it that Muhammad saw Gabriel coming down for a second time. But some scholars claim that what it really means (f. x. A53/9 - in the English 2008 edition 53/10 and changed explanation) is that Muhammad saw Gabriel in his real shape for the second time - like so often it seems that Allah was unable to express himself clearly and correctly, and has to be corrected by humans. As for "second descent" - see 53/6-9 above.

    248 53/26a: "However many be the angels in the heavens, their intercession will avail nothing, except after Allah has given leave for whom He pleases - - -". Other places in the Quran states that there will be no intercessors, but at least there are, if Allah permits.

    And what kind of intercession, if everything is predestined.

    249 53/27c: "- - - name the angels with female names". The old Arabs believed that also the angels (in addition to the main goddesses) were the daughters of their foremost god, al-Lah/Allah - the same god Muhammad only called Allah.

    250 53/27d: "- - - (non-Muslims*) name the angels with female names". See 50/2a above.

    251 53/28b: (A53/21): “But they (opponents of Muhammad*) have no knowledge therein (the gender of angels, etc.*).” But the Arab pronoun “hi” perhaps do not point to the angels. Perhaps it point to Allah (M. Asad). In that case the sentence means: “But they have no knowledge whatever about Allah.” Clear speech?

    252 54/53a: "Every matter, small and great, is on record". It is a sobering sentence for the believers - "beware that angels note down everything you say and do" - but why so if Allah is omniscient and also predestines everything? It is another case if Islam is a made up religion - in that case it just is a sentence very sobering for the believers and thus efficient for Muhammad’s - and his successors' - control of the Muslims.

    253 55/48a: (A55/23): “- - - Containing all kinds (of trees and delights) - - -.” The Bible mentions nothing like this. There you will be like the angels (f.x. Matt. 22/30) and need no fruits or whatever. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

    254 55/54a: "They (good Muslims in Paradise*) recline on Carpets (also Paradise is Arabian style*), whose inner lining is rich brocade - - -". Earthly royal style - - - and very different from Yahweh's Paradise where you become like the angels (f.x. Luke 20/36). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Guess 3 times.

    255 56/15-23: A description of Allah's Paradise. Does anyone see any difference between this and a poor, naive, uneducated warrior's dream of a royal life included a suitable harem, and this? Very - VERY - different from Yahweh's Paradise in the Bible, where you "become like the angels" (f. x. Luke 20/36, not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17)). Another point: In Yahweh's Paradise there are no houris and even no married couples any more - no sex. And being like an angel, you need no food - a sharp contrast to Muhammad's description of delicious things to eat and drink. Yahweh the same god as Allah? You are free to believe it if you are logically blind. If they had been, their paradises had been similar.

    256 56/20-21: "And with fruits, any that they (Muslims in Paradise*) may select: And with the flesh of fowls, any that they may desire". There is excellent food in the Quran's Paradise - - - but in the Bible's Paradise you are like angels (f.x. Luke 20/36, Mark 12/25) and do not need food - there is not one word about need for food or drink in Paradise in the entire Bible. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Just guess. Actually the fundamental differences in the two paradises are one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

    257 56/32: "- - - fruit in abundance - - -". Earthly luxury. And a small detail mentioned by the Hadiths: No matter how much you eat and drink, you never have to go to the toilet in Paradise.

    Not from the Bible. According to the Bible you become like the angels (f.x. Matt. 22/30), and according to standard belief, angels do not need fruits or other food. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - their paradises are different, and too different.

    ###258 57/25c: "- - - (Allah*) sent with them (the 124ooo claimed earlier prophets/messengers) the Book (a claimed copy of the claimed "Mother Book" - the same one the Quran is a claimed exact copy of*) - - -". This is one of the places where the Quran makes it clear that the claimed earlier prophets/messengers also got their book similar to the Quran - a copy of the claimed timeless "Mother of the Book" (= "Mother of the Quran") revered by Allah and his angels in his Heaven. And copies of the same book has to be identical - if not, Islam has got another problem to explain.

    Neither science nor Islam has found the slightest traces from or references to such a book older than 610 AD, when Muhammad started his mission. From the Bible and relevant references to the Bible science has found altogether some 45ooo manuscripts and fragments. This discrepancy exists even though according to the Quran copies similar to the Quran have existed on Earth as long as man has existed - even though for most of that time he did not know how to read - and even though Allah sent down at least one copy to each of his messengers and prophets (at least 124ooo according to Hadiths) + all the copies which naturally were written from those copies, just like from the Bible.

    Are the age and the quantities of the Qurans bluffs?

    #259 61/12i: "- - - that (Allah's paradise*) is the Supreme Achievement". There is no doubt that Yahweh's paradise as described in the Bible sounds more tempting - where you become like angels (f.x. Mark 12/25). Allah's paradise is a worthy reward from a king or an emperor. Yahweh's paradise is a worthy reward from a god.

    ####260 63/5a: "- - - the Messenger of Allah - - -". Here something is wrong if Allah is a god. No omniscient god ever sent a messenger with so much wrong information, so many contradictions, so many cases of invalid logic, so many cases of unclear language, etc. like Muhammad and his Quran. And no good and benevolent god ever sent a messenger with such a bloody, inhuman, dishonest (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah, break your oaths, deceive, betray, etc.), lying even in the Quran (f. x. "miracles will make no-one believe anyhow"), steal-and-rob, suppress others, and partly (highly) immoral teaching like the one of Muhammad and his Quran. If Allah sent him as a messenger, then Allah is neither an omniscient, nor a good and benevolent god, but something from the dark forces pretending to be a god and sending something pretending to be an angel to tell Muhammad this and that ###(if Gabriel was not a later good idea and a made up claim - Muhammad did not mention him in the Quran until after he fled to Medina, something which sounds extremely unlikely if Muhammad really had met him). (As it is possible Allah is real, but from dark forces, we classify Muhammad's claim to be his messenger not as obviously wrong (it only is obviously wrong that he is the messenger of an omniscient and good/benevolent god) but as likely wrong, as Muhammad may have been the representative of a dark Allah - though even this is unlikely, as even not a dark Allah would make so many mistakes, etc. in his "holy" book, as the mistakes, etc. would be found out sooner or later and his credibility destroyed, except perhaps if the low quality was a condition from the god for permitting him trying to deceive humans).

    261 65/12b: “Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments (wrong*) ########and of the earth a similar number”. According to Hadith the last part means 7 separate Earths - one above the other. According to Muhammad Ibn ‘Abd Allah al-Kisa’I the last part means 7 layers down in the Earth according to one “explanation” (an "explanation which is impossible, as the claimed Earths are populated, and nobody can live and move around deep down in solid stone, enormous pressure, and hundreds or a few thousand centigrade - a typical Islamic "explanation: One "explains" one aspect of a problem, without remembering/seeing that other aspects make the "explanation" impossible.). But what the Quran really says, is 7 Earths – 7 flat Earths. No matter if you believe the Quran/Hadith or one of the “explanations” for this somewhat special geology/geography/astronomy, the names of the 7 heavens and the 7 “Earths” from top and down are:

    The 7 heavens, its guardian angels, and its gates:

    Actually it is not 100% correct to say that Muhammad told everything about the heavens according to the astronomy of that time. If we remember our Greek astronomy (which was the going one until long after Muhammad) correctly, it was like this:

    1. The outer layer or ceiling: The stars.
    2. The 7. Heaven Saturn.
    3. The 6. Heaven Jupiter.
    4. The 5. heaven Mars.
    5. The 4. Heaven The Sun.
    6. The 3. Heaven Venus.
    7. The 2. Heaven Mercury.
    8. The 1. Heaven The Moon.

     

    The outer layer some "astronomers" reckoned to be the 8. heaven. We stress that you may find old "charts" with a different design or with a somewhat different sequence of the heavenly bodies. But as far as we have found, Islam is the only one with the stars fixed to the 1. Heaven. And the Moon claimed to be between the heavens(!)

    The 7 heavens were Greek and Persian astronomy. One observed 7 movements on the firmament - the sun and the moon, plus Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (the other planets were not visible to the naked eye) - and thus needed 7 invisible heavens to fasten them to, to explain why they did not fall down on Earth. Any - any - god had known better. Then who made the Quran?

    262 66/1c: "Why holdest thou (Muhammad*) to be forbidden what Allah has made lawful to thee?" It is unclear exactly what this refers to, except that it seems to have to do with "disturbance"/jealousy in his harem, which made him swear something he later regretted (and found an excuse for breaking his promise: It was something Allah had made lawful.)

    The most likely explanation is that it has to do with Muhammad's falling for his daughter-in-law (according to old Arab rules), Zaynab.

    ###Do family/woman problems for the leader belong in a holy book for the entire world? And as the Quran is claimed to be an exact copy of "the Mother of the Book" in Heaven: How come it could be written there billions of years before it happened if man has even the slightest degree of free will? Not to mention: Is it possible for an omniscient god to revere texts like these? - the Quran states it is revered by Allah and by his angels.

    263 66/3-5: These are family problems in Muhammad's family. Do they belong in a holy book? And: The Quran is a copy of the "mother book" (13/39, 43/4, 85/21-22) which Allah and his angels revere ("high in dignity" - 43/4) in his "home". For one thing, how did Muhammad's family problems end up in the "mother book" written may be billions of years earlier? - and for another; would really a god revere texts like this?

    264 66/4c: "- - - truly Allah is his (Muhammad's*) Protector - - -". The same old fact: Only if Allah exists and is something supernatural. The same goes for Gabriel, who is not necessarily (unlikely) Yahweh's arch angel Gabriel, even if the name is the same. This will especially be the case if Muhammad's Gabriel in reality was someone from the dark forces, dressed up like Gabriel.

    265 66/4d: "- - - truly Allah is his (Muhammad's*) Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe - and furthermore, the angels will back him up". Muhammad had a formidable protection and help against his wives and others!

    As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

    266 66/4g: "- - - and furthermore, the angels will back him (Muhammad*) up - - -". A point to remember when Muhammad explained Allah could not send down angels (to prove Allah's existence and Muhammad's connection to him), because that would mean the Day of Doom had come. It does not even belong in a book given to 124ooo prophets and messengers through all times and places, like the Quran and Hadiths claim (the Quran does not give any number).

    267 66/6d: "- - - the Commands they (angels*) receive from Allah - - -". This only can be the case if Allah exists and if he in addition has power over angels. By the way: Why does a claimed omnipotent god who just can say "Be" and things are, need to order angels to do this and that?

    268 66/10c: "- - - the wife of Noah and the wife of Lut (Lot*) - - - were false to their (husbands) - - -". This contradicts the Bible. There is mentioned nothing like this about the wife of Noah, and as for the death of the wife of Lot it had nothing to do with being false to her husband - she just turned to look at what happened, something the angels had warned against, but it is not indicated it was because of disobedience (when dramatic things happen, it is normal and human to react to them). Simply contradicted by the Bible by not mentioning anything like the Quran claims. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

    ####269 67/3a: “He (Allah*) Who created the seven heavens one above another - - -”. It is hardly possible to state the Quran’s picture of our sky more accurately and clearly than this. Neither is possible to be much more wrong, especially when we add that according to the Quran the heavens are held up by invisible pillars, that the heavens are made from something material (if not you could build them and not fasten the stars, etc. to them), that the stars are fixed to the lowest heaven (37/6-7, 41/12) with the sun (?) and the moon between the heavens, and that the stars also double as shooting stars to chase away spying Jinns and bad spirits - and everything as said kept up there by invisible pillars resting on Earth.. See 67/5a and 67/5b below. Who composed the Quran - a god or someone not omniscient? Muhammad perhaps? (And 71/15 even confirms “one above the other”).

    This is not even fairy tale quality today - even small children know it is wrong.

    Who made the Quran?

    You find these claims about 7 heavens/firmaments/tracts in 2/29d-f, 17/44a, 23/17a-b, 23/86a, 41/12a-e, 65/12a-c, 67/3a+b, 71/15a+b, and 78/12a-b - all together the Quran mentions "heavens" in plural at least 199 times; there is no doubt the Quran means there are 7 heavens (and as the stars are fastened to the lowermost of them - f. x. 67/5a - they have to be material ones - if not the stars could not be fastened to it). In 67/3 you also are told they are placed one above the other, which means they of course are built successively higher above the Earth - which also is clear from most places in the Quran where the place of the heavens are indicated. Some modern Muslims try to place the heavens in space, deep space included. But among others 67/3 prohibits this, as "up" and "down" ("one above the other") has no meaning as part of the real space.

    By the way: 65/12b also claims there are 7 Earths, and gives their names according to Islam.

    The 7 heavens, its guardian angels, and its gates:

    1. 7.Gharibya, angel Razquel, gate made from shining light.
    2. 6.Rafqa, angel Shamkhael, gate made from white pearl.
    3. 5.Ratqa, angel Kalkael, gate made from gold.
    4. 4.Arqlun, angel Salsael, gate made from silver.
    5. 3.Aun, angel Saadiel, gate made from topaz.
    6. 2.Faydum, angel Michael, gate made from ruby.
    7. 1.Birqi, angel Ismael, gate made from emerald.

     

    270 67/9b: "- - - (message (the Quran*)) - - -". If it is a message, then from whom? No god ever was involved in a book that full of errors. Then remain: Dark forces (f.x. the Devil dressed up like the angel Gabriel - Muhammad would have no chance to see the difference). A sick brain (f.x. TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - like modern medical science suspects, which can give illusions and symptoms like Muhammad is said to have experienced. Or one or more cold and scheming brain(s) liking power - f.x. Muhammad's own. Those are the alternatives.

    271 69/17a: (A69/11): “And the angels will be on its sides, and eight will, the Day (of Doom*) bear the throne of thy lord (Allah*) above them.” But if Allah is something diffuse that is everywhere, how can he use a throne? – and how can just 8 angles carry it if he is that huge? (Not our questions - Muslim scholars'.*) Islam still does not know. On the other hand: You can be absolutely sure the Muslims to whom this was told originally – naïve and uneducated and wanting to believe – believed this was an exact picture. Clear language?

    272 70/4a: “The angels and the Spirit (“ruh” in the Arab text) - - -.” The word “ruh” is used a few times in the Arab text – at least in 16/2, 78/38, 97/4c and here. It likely means “the Spirit” or “the Holy Spirit”, but is f.x. in 16/2 given another translation (“inspiration”). A number of Muslims wants it to be another name for the angel Gabriel (simply because it was he who was said to bring down the surahs to Muhammad, and it is said a couple of places that the “ruh” – the Spirit or Holy Spirit – brought down such ones, “ergo” the Holy Spirit = the angel Gabriel). But the logic is not correct – by means of the rules of logical deductions it is possible only to say they may be the same. And here is another piece of information which makes that deduction unlikely or impossible: The “ruh” – the Holy Spirit” - is not included among the angels. Neither is it the other places – which makes it highly unlikely logically that the Holy Spirit is an angel - the angel Gabriel. (In the Bible it is clear they are not the same).

    As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

    273 71/23b: "Wadd - - - Suwa' - - - Yaghuth - - - Ya'uq - - - Nasr - - -". 5 gods which were cherished in Arabia at the time of Muhammad. But Muhammad claimed these gods were cherished by Noah's people somewhere in southern Mesopotamia (now southern Iraq) 2500 years earlier. What were the chances those people had the same gods as In Arabia some 100 generations later? Muslims of course say these gods were imported from Mesopotamia and were age-old - but there exist no documentation for this at all; just one more of Islam's many not proved claims. Worse: Science believes they were imported from Syria, so they in case must have made a long detour + that in the old times when there were no books to make ideas permanent, gods slowly changed over the generations - they were not the same through 2500 years. (Just compare to all the chances the god Il went through: First he was the main god Il somewhere in the east (perhaps in south Mesopotamia where one also believes Noah lived - if he is not fiction). Then in Arabia he slowly became the moon god al-Ilah, at least in the southern part. Then he developed into the main god of Arabia, al-Lah and got lots of daughters - angels and goddesses. Then his name drifted towards Allah, but still a pagan main god. And finally Muhammad dressed him up to become the monotheistic god Allah. (But unless everything in the Quran is true, included the never proved claim that the book is from a god, Allah still is a pagan, made up god.)

    Wrong unless Islam proves - proves, not claims - differently.

    274 72/27b: "- - - He (Allah*) makes a band of watchers march before him (the messenger*) and behind him - - -". Muslim scholars agree on that "him" is Muhammad, but what kind of guard is guesswork - angels, high moral (!), etc.

    275 72/28a: "- - - (so*) that He (Allah*) may know that they (messengers - included Muhammad*) have (truly) brought and delivered the Messages of their Lord (Allah*) - - -". Why did Allah need a number of angels(?) for each messenger to check what they said and not said, if he was omniscient?

    **276 74/30: (A74/15): “Over it are Nineteen.” Nineteen what? Nobody knows!! One guesses for angels or powers or guards or whatever. But nobody knows. A clear language in the Quran? – impossible not to understand? Impossible to misunderstand? (Well, there is a theory that the number of angels appointed to guard Hell was 19).

    277 74/31a: "And We (Allah*) has set none but angels as guardians of the Fire - - -". Many Muslim scholars believe Allah also runs Hell, as the Devil/Iblis could not run it without the permission of Allah, as Allah is claimed to be omnipotent. This - that Allah has the guardians of Hell - may be a slip of the tongue showing that thus is correct. But what does this in case tell about the claimed good and benevolent god Allah - if he exists?

    278 77/1c: (YA5864): “By the (Winds) sent forth one after another - - -.” See 77/1a+b above. But it may also perhaps instead mean: “By the angels sent forth - - -“ or: “By the Messengers sent forth - - -". To say the least of it: When Islam boasts of the very clear language in the Quran, it may seem like they do not know what they are talking about - or are using an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie - something you only find in Islam of the big religions). And when they further claim that the clear and distinct and not to misunderstand language in the Quran is a proof for that it is made by a god, what then does the reality of hundreds and hundreds of points (at least 500) of so unclear language that Muslim scholars are unable to agree on what it really means, then prove?

    279 78/33: "Companions of Equal Age" - the famous houris. As mentioned, sex is not named in Paradise in the Quran, bur it all the same is a very essential part - - - for the men. In all the Quran, in all the many Hadiths, in all Islamic literature, we have not seen one single word about how it feels for the houris to be sex toys for rough, uneducated, primitive warriors. And not one word about how it is for the wives to share their husbands with lots of likely much more beautiful women. Not one word.

    Also you do not find the houris in the Bible and in Yahweh's paradise (the houris is an idea "borrowed" from the Persian religion, where they were named paaris). On the contrary: There you will be like the angels (Mark 12/25), and angels are not bent on sex. One more of the at least 200% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

    280 78/38a: "That Day shall the Spirit and the angels stand forth - - -". The Day of Doom.

    281 78/38b: "That Day shall the Spirit and the angels stand forth - - -". It is unclear what the Spirit her is. You will find it translated as the souls (of the people), but more common it to believe it is the Holy Spirit from the Bible (it is mentioned a very few times in the Quran). Some go one step further and say that it must be the angel Gabriel, as he is the Holy Spirit. This is a claim - as always from Islam not proved - you often meet from Muslims, at least from lower educated ones, ####even though it is not from the Quran. Our short comment is that no-one who really has read the Bible, would ever get such an idea - not unless he had decided if before he started reading and skipped reading what did not fit his idea. How could f.x. an angel split (parts of) himself in 12 at Pentecost (Acts 2/3-4)? A spirit can split itself, but not an angel.

    ##########Besides this verse kills the claim that Gabriel was another name for the Holy Spirit. Gabriel was an angel according to both the Bible and to the Quran. Here the Quran says "the Spirit and the angels" = the spirit is not an angel. Thus according to the Quran and this verse, Gabriel cannot be the Holy Spirit.

    282 78/38c: (YA5911): "Some(!*) Commentators understand by 'the Spirit' the angel Gabriel, as he is charged specially with bringing Messages to human prophets". An interesting piece of information, as this is neither from the Quran nor from the Bible, and arch angel Gabriel also hardly is mentioned as a messenger boy in connection with Biblical prophets. (But the claim of course makes Muhammad look like a prophet at this point as he claimed he god his messages via Gabriel.) Also see 78/38b just above.

    As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

    283 79/1a: "By the (angels) - - -". Sentences in the Quran starting with ”by” normally are an oath - the Quran/Muhammad is swearing by something. Here he seems to be swearing something by the angels - perhaps that verse 6 really will happen. But whenever the Quran swears - or in other ways promises - remember that according to the rules for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth), it is permitted to lie to defend and to forward Islam (and for 6 - 8 other topics), and that according to Muhammad's own words and deeds in the Quran, oaths should be broken if that will give a more satisfying result, even though in some cases you should pay expiation to Allah afterwards. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

    284 79/1b: "By the (angels) - - -". That Allah is swearing is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and he are not the same god, not to mention Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion. According to the Bible, one shall not swear at all (Matt. 5/34). And if you do so all the same, you are bound by your oath, whereas Allah does not care very much (f.x. 34/3f above) except that if you break a serious oath, you should pay expiation afterwards. Not the same moral code and thus not the same religion at all = Yahweh and Allah not the same god unless he is strongly schizophrenic - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

    285 81/23b: "- - - without doubt he (Muhammad*) saw him (Gabriel?*) on the horizon". This likely refers to Muhammad's claim that he ones saw the angel Gabriel with his 600 wings on the horizon. 600 wings may sound impressive for uneducated people only knowing how fast birds can go with just 2 wings. But 600 wings would create so much turbulence that Gabriel in case would fall like a sack of meat - there is a good reason why both birds and planes only have 2 wings. Any god would know this, but Muhammad not. Then who made the Quran?

    Another small point here is that you will not find one single place in the Bible where angels are described with wings. Seraphs yes. Cherubs yes. Ordinary angels no - and Gabriel was an angel both according to the Bible and to the Quran. (The wings of the angels were created by artists in the 3. and 4. century AD, simply because it was the only means those artists knew for flying - it is not from the Bible). If angels are spiritual beings or souls, they may not need wings for flying. One more difference between the Quran and the Bible?

    As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

    286 82/10b: "- - - over you (Muslims*) (are appointed angels) to protect you - - -". Remember verses like this, when Muhammad claims that angels cannot be sent down to prove Allah or his own connection to a god, because if angels are sent down, it will be the Day of Doom.

    287 82/12: "They (your guardian angels*) know (and understand) all that ye (humans*) do (and note down reports to Allah*)". The never answered question: Why then does Allah need to test even his followers when he knows everything already from other sources?

    288 85/3: (YA6054): “By the one who witness - - -“. Nobody understands exactly who – Muhammad and the prophets (3/81), Allah (3/81 and 10/61), the recording angels (50/21), the sinners own misused limbs (24/24), the sinner’s record of deeds (17/14), or the sinner himself (17/14)? There is quite a choice in this exact language.

    ##289 85/22a:** "- - - this is a Glorious Quran, (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!". The Quran claims the book is a copy of a "mother book" - a Tablet Preserved - which is made by Allah or perhaps has existed since eternity, and which is inscribed in tablets in Allah's Heaven - and revered by Allah and by his angels. Other references to it in 13/39, 43/4, and 85/21-22 (beware that some Muslims say that only some parts of the Quran - the parts "of established meaning" are from the claimed #####"mother book", but that is not what the Quran says).

    Also see 85/22b just below.

    290 86/4: "There is no soul but has a protector over it". According to the Quran every human have angels nearby. Worth remembering each time Muhammad tells Allah cannot send down angels to prove himself or to prove his connection to Muhammad, because sending down angels means that the Day of Doom has arrived.

    291 87/6-7a: "- - - so that thou (Muhammad*) shalt not forget, except as Allah wills - - -". May be this is one of the points which make Islam claim that Muhammad quoted the angel Gabriel exactly correct, so that the Quran is an exact copy of the "mother book" in Heaven.

    292 89/22: "- - - (the day) thy (people's*) Lord (Allah*) cometh, and His angels - - -". The Day of Doom.

    293 92/17a: "But those most devoted to Allah shall be far removed from it (hell*) - - -". If Allah exists, and if he is a good and benevolent god (and nor f.x. Iblis/the Devil dressed up like the arch angel Gabriel).

    294 97/4a: "Therein come down (to Earth*) the angels - - - by Allah's permission - - -". Remember this the times Muhammad explains that the reason why Allah will not send down angels to prove himself or Muhammad, is that if he sends them down, it will be the Day of Doom. Also see 97/4b just below.

    295 97/4b: "Therein come down (to Earth*) the angels - - - by Allah's permission, on every errand - - -". See 97/4a just above. According to this verse can send angels on every errand. In that case it is clear that Muhammad's claim about Day of Doom in this connection is just explaining away something. A clear contradiction.

    296 97/4e: (YA6219): "The Spirit: Usually understood to be the angel Gabriel, the Spirit of Inspiration". Quite another meaning than the one(s) in 97/4b above.

    And in addition: No-one who has ever read the Bible with an open mind, has ever got the idea the Spirit (= the Holy Spirit) was another name for the arch angel Gabriel - to find such a meaning in the Bible, you have to have strong and fixes ideas before you start reading. For one thing it is clear from all contexts that the Holy Spirit is something different from everything else and something special. For another the functions are different - how could f.x. an angel split himself in 12 at Pentecost - or be part of many disciples (the helper Jesus promised them before he left them). And not least: It is very clear that the Bible knows the difference between angles and spirits - there never is a mix-up of those two (also hardly in the Quran - but Muslim scholars have found a "good" idea anyhow, even though it is neither in the Bible, nor in the Quran). #####The Holy Spirit = Gabriel is not found neither in the Bible nor in the Quran - and is anti-thesis to the contexts and the texts in the Bible. For good measure see 94/4f just below.

    As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

    #####297 97/4f: "Therein came down the angels and the Spirit - - -". The (Holy*) Spirit - here like in the Bible - is not an angel, and thus has to be mentioned separately.A verification in the Quran for that the Holy Spirit is not the angel Gabriel. Remember here that it also nowhere in the Quran is said or indicated that the Holy Spirit = Gabriel - this never documented claim is a later invention made by Muslims, and only based on the fact that the Quran tells Gabriel brought Muhammad messages, but also that the Holy Spirit a few times did so - - - which according to Muslims/Islam "must" mean the Holy Spirit = Gabriel. This deduction is far outside all rules for logically correct deductions.

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    22.  ANNA (OR HANNAH?)

    - perhaps the name of the mother of Mary, Jesus' mother.

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    The name of the mother of Mary is not mentioned in the Quran and also not in the Bible, but according to traditions it may have been Anna or Hannah. It is told in the Quran, though, that she dedicated her daughter to service in the Temple of Jerusalem.

    The contradiction here is the historical fact that only men served in that temple, and only men of the Levi tribe, whereas Mary naturally was a woman and in addition of the Judah tribe. ####This repeated claim in the Quran is wrong.

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    23.  ANSARS

    The word means companion or supporter. The term is used for people of Medina who supported Muhammad and his followers after they fled from Mecca to Medina in 622 AD - the hirja (the name of that flight).

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    001 9/117e: "- - - Ansars - - -". The Arabs in Medina who helped Muhammad and his followers the first time after the flight from Mecca to Medina.

    002 59/9a: Muhammad and his people got much help from the locals in Medina the first time after they arrived. Muhammad called these helpers in Medina "ansar".

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    24.  ANTS

    Ants are not a big subject in the Quran. They are a main point in a legend about Solomon - told in the Quran pretending to be a true story - in Surah 27 (which is named "An-Naml" = "the Ants"). That story is "borrowed" from the legend/fairy tale and made up book named "The Second Targum of Esther".

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    ##001 12/111c: “- - - a confirmation of what went before (the Bible) - - -”. When there are so many and so serious mistakes in a book, it is not to be expected that the reader can believe too much. Just the story about Josef is taken from the Bible (which “went before“). But the story is much changed (maybe he in reality has retold a local legend about Josef, slightly based on the Bible) - it is no confirmation. On the background of all the documented mistakes in the Quran, which one is easiest to believe, if any - the Quran or the Bible? Not to mention the fact that many of the stories in the Quran are easy to recognize from known legends, fairy tales, apocryphal (made up) books, etc, from the time of Muhammad. And at least some of the details in this story in the Quran are illogical - like Solomon listening to the speech of ants. More to the point: There are too many and too fundamental differences in the teachings - the Quran does not confirm the Bible.

    *002 27/16 – 44: These stories – also repeated other places in the Quran - about King Solomon, the ants, the jinns slaving for him, the hoopoe, and not to mention the Queen of Sabah – are fantastic like were they from a fairy tale - - - which is what they are: They are “borrowed” from the made up - apocryphal, and hardly even apocryphal - scripture “Second Targum of Ester”. No god needs to steal old fairy tales and retell them with small – or big – twists to make them fit his religion/tales, and then call them facts. But Muhammad often did so. This is the reason why his contemporaries so often said that what he told just were old tales – they simply recognized the legends, fairy tales and stories.

    *003 27/18a: An ant spoke to other ants and in a way possible for King Solomon to hear. Wrong. Ants do not have the brainpower for composing complicated (for non-human terrestrial beings) sentences, and they do not have organs for pronouncing words - not even “ant-language” words. Not to mention that they lack the power to speak loud enough for humans to hear. A fairy tale. (It is worth mentioning that Islam to a degree admits this. “The Message of the Quran calls it a legend – comment A27/17. But if this is a legend told like a truth, how many more are there like that in the Quran? Similar claim in 27/19. Also see 27/16-44 above. The only place you normally meet talking ants, are in fairy tales.

    ##004 27/19a: “So he (Solomon) smiled at her (the ant's*) speech - - -”. Wrong. See 27/16b and 27/18a above. It would be impossible for Solomon to hear what the ant also could not pronounce – also because if it could speak and if it could speak loud enough for us to hear, the diminutive size of an ant also would make the words far too high-pitched for our ear to register. Besides ants do not have organs making it possible for them to vocalize - and not large enough brain to compose coherent speech.

    005 27/19b: “So he (Solomon) smiled at her (the ant's*) speech - - -”. Anthropomorphism - (the belief that inanimate things or animals can react, think and/or speak like humans) - normally found in primitive religions and in fairy tales.

    006 99/7-8: "- - - atom - - -". Some react to this word in the Quran, and think it is a far too modern word to fit in this book. But atom (meaning; that which is so small that it cannot be split) is an old Greek word, much older than Muhammad, and may well have been known in Arabia at his time.

    But all the same it is wrong, because the Arab word used here - "dharrah" - does not mean atom, but an ant. Why does a good Muslim translator name something which is a hundred million times smaller than what the Quran mentions? - to make an even better impression than the Quran itself, and a claim that it fits modern science?

    Solomon and the ants. (Cut from an internet debate).

    First we remind you that the Quran several places states that the book has a clear and easy to understand language, and that only the "sick of heart" look for hidden meanings - anomalies, etc. - they are for Allah if not otherwise is said. All the same one of the most often used ways to flee from difficult problems in the Quran, is to claim that "the god was not able to express himself clearly, so that this means something else than what is said - it is a similitude or analogy - and intelligent me will explain to you what the clumsy god was unable to tell himself - - - something entirely different from the mistake he made".

    That ants were speaking in the Quran, so obviously is wrong, that there is no other solution than to try to explain it away - so Mr. Refuter uses this well worn claim: "This really means something else than what the omniscient, clumsy god said, and wise me will explain away his mistake". Thus the ant did not vocalize what he said, but transmitted his words in other ways Mr. Refuter does not specify, but he likely meant by smell, as that was mentioned (also it is the only remaining possibility, as there only were 4 possible ways of transmitting information: Sound (impossible here), sight (but ants do not use visible signals for transmitting information), touch (which ants use, but touch is not mentioned here), and smell). But he bumps into 3 mistakes: For one thing ants still have too small brains to verbalize - even by smell or touch - coherent sentences. For another when animals - often insects - communicate by means of smelly molecules - pheromones - they only are able to transmit rudimentary messages like "I am here", "I am ready for sex", etc. (ants and touch are more unclear). And finally: Man is not able to smell the pheromones except a few of them, and also then only if there is much of it - and insects do not produce much "smell", but have an exquisite "nose" for their own art's pheromones. (There are insects which can smell one single molecule of a relevant pheromone, and male butterflies which can smell a female "in heat" 10 km off. The human nose is not of that quality and not geared for insect pheromones. Solomon would be totally unable to smell it, and even if it had been possible, no coherent message could have been transmitted.

    Fast talk and bluff dismissed - and I dare Mr. Refuter to prove that he is right if he disagrees - proofs, not just cheap words and easy and wrong claims.

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    25.  APOSTATES

    There are Muslims claiming nobody leaves Islam. It was and is wrong. There were apostates from Islam from the very beginning. Islam f.x. tells that one of Muhammad's "secretaries" left Islam when he discovered that Muhammad's claimed recitation of the claimed god's words was not reliable. (That secretary proposed a good expression - but from his own brain, not from Allah - and when Muhammad accepted that this was a better expression than his own and put it into the surah instead of the claimed god's claimed expression, the secretary found that things were so wrong, that he left Muhammad and Islam.)

    But as Muhammad grew more powerful and could punish the ones who left him and his religion, it became dangerous to leave the religion, and it still is many places - at best social extrication, at worst murder.

    A modern sample: The student Sayed Pervez Kambaksh was sentenced to death in Afghanistan, not for slandering or opposing Allah or Muhammad or Islam, but simply for asking some questions about Islam. (He was saved by two Scandinavian high officials and a local helper, who managed to get him out from the prison on a pretext, and then smuggled him to Europe in a business jet, but how many are that lucky?)

    (If Islam takes over Europe, there will be a lot of executions it seems.)

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    001 2/18: “Deaf, dumb, and blind – they (“infidels”, apostates*) will not return (to Islam*)". Yes, they have to be deaf, dumb, and blind if they question all which is wrong in the Quran. A reason for looking down on them. Though a bit ironic that the Quran demands deaf and blind belief.

    002 2/254g: “ Those who rejects Faith (Islam*) - they are the wrongdoers”. If you read the Quran, you many, many times will find the non-Muslims called wrongdoers. You meet persons claiming that "the wrongdoers" means criminals, etc., but in the Quran "wrongdoers" mainly refers to non-Muslims (or even worse; apostates who has left Islam like here). It simply is one of Muhammad's most frequently used names for non-Muslims. No comment necessary.

    003 3/100d: "- - - they (some Jews and Christians*) would (indeed) render you (Muslims*) apostates after you have believed". Apostates from what as the Quran is not from a god? - too much wrong in the book.

    004 3/106b: "Did ye (non-Muslims, apostates*) reject Faith, after accepting it? Taste then the Penalty for rejecting Faith". One of the worst sins possible to commit according to Muhammad, was - and is - to leave Islam.

    005 4/53b: "Behold, they give not a farthing to their fellow-men". A bit strange claim as generosity always has been a positive thing in Christianity. And not less strange as hardly any of the really international aid or help NGOs started in Muslim countries, but in Christian ones. Claims are cheap, reality is reliable. This quote simply is wrong.

    In reality generosity is more central in Christianity than in Islam. Compare f.x. the Quran's words that you shall give, but not so much that you hurt your own life, with the Bible's story about the widow and her 2 small copper coins (f.x. Luke 21/14). Not to mention the difference in mental generosity between the Quran's message that you shall revenge a bad deed with a similar deed, and kill apostates, with Jesus' message that you shall love and do good to also your enemies (f.x. Luke 6/27).

    006 4/63: “Those men (not good Muslims or apostates*) - - - keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their very soul.” To keep clear of the not good Muslims, not to mention the apostates (this verse shows that apostates did (and do) exist - there are Muslims denying this), was not the real – and shortly also not the official - line for a long time. It soon was: Punish them! This verse is contradicted and often “killed” and abrogated by at least these verses demanding stricter actions: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).

    007 9/66b: “If We (Allah*) pardons some of you (apostates from Islam*) - - -.” To leave Islam is one of the deadly sins and to be pardoned without regretting deeply is impossible. Contradicted by a number of the verses under 2/256 - see this. More about this verse under verse 9/5 in the chapter: Abrogations in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".

    (Contradicts many verses – at least 10 contradictions).

    As for pardoning: Even if Allah should happen to exist and be a god - and a god correctly described among all the errors in the Quran - is it possible for him to pardon anybody? It in case will mean that his predestined Plan will have to be changed, and that is impossible according to several clear statements in the Quran.

    ##008 18/80a: Moses and a wise man who in Islam (not in the Quran) is named al-Kadir or Al-Khidr ("the green one") are in a known legend retold in the Quran on a long walk. They meet a young man whom the wise man without being provoked slays (18/74). Later he explains that the reason was that “we feared that he would grieve” his good Muslim parents. If that is enough to kill their son, it is no doubt that Muslims – his parents – were much better than non-Muslims, and perhaps that apostates – at least bad ones, deserve to be killed? No matter: That it is better to kill even their children than to perhaps - perhaps - meet problems, tells much about ethic and moral in Islam. And does it tell something about Muhammad and the Quran that they use legends for true stories in the "holy" book?

    009 47/25a: "Those who turn back as apostates - - - Satan has instigated them - - -". A nice and cozy explanation for his followers. More cozy for Muhammad to tell this, than the plain truth: That at least some of them had seen that something was horribly wrong with Muhammad's new religion.

    010 47/25c: "- - - Satan has instigated them (apostates from Islam*) and buoyed them with false hope". A good pep-talk and a good "explanation" to his - Muhammad's - followers. Much better than to admit they may be had seen that things were much wrong in Muhammad's teachings.

    011 47/25d: "- - - Satan has instigated them (apostates from Islam*) and buoyed them with false hope". Or if Yahweh exists, it may have been he who instigated them with true hope?

    012 47/26aa: "- - - they (people leaving Muhammad and his religion*) - - -". You meet Muslims telling that Islam is such a good religion that nobody leaves it. Here is a proof for that some did already at the time of Muhammad.

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