Muhammad in the Quran, Vol. 4: Chapter 86


 

FORGIVING

The Quran - and Islam - has a big problem concerning forgiving: The Quran very clearly and several places says that Allah predestines everything, that he does so according to his predestined Plan, and that nobody and nothing can change this plan. But to forgive means that the one forgiving grants the forgiven one something better than planned = a change of Allah's predestined Plan - which according to the Quran is impossible.

Of course you can say that also the forgiving was predestined, but then it is not forgiving any more, but theatre.

If it is true that Allah predestines everything, and according to his unchangeable Plan, like the Quran clearly states some places, forgiving because of this is impossible and has no meaning in the Quran and in Islam.

PS: THE SAME GOES FOR PRAYERS AND FOR REWARDS FOR GOOD DEEDS - OR PUNISHMENT FOR BAD DEEDS. F.X. PRAYERS NORMALLY ARE FOR FORGIVING OR FOR SOME BETTERMENT, BOTH OF WHICH MEANS YOU PRAY FOR A CHANGE IN ALLAH'S UNCHANGEABLE, PREDESTINED PLAN, WHICH THE QURAN CATEGORICALLY STATES IS IMPOSSIBLE. PERHAPS AS BAD: ALLAH'S TOTAL PREDESTINATION ACCORDING TO HIS UNCHANGEABLE PLAN ALSO MAKES EVEN A MILLIMETRE OF FREE WILL FOR MAN IMPOSSIBLE. (ISLAM ADMITS THAT EXPLANATION IS IMPOSSIBLE, BUT FLEE FROM THE PROBLEM BY CLAIMING THAT "ALL THE SAME IT HAS TO BE TRUE, BECAUSE ALLAH SAYS SO IN THE QURAN(!!)

This was one of Muhammad's strong "carrots" - and sometimes also his stick.

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001 2/109g: “- - - but (Muslims*) forgive and overlook (Jews and Christians*) - - -.” But that was long before 9/5 and other hard verses. This verse is abrogated – made invalid - by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threat, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 28 abrogations).

As for Allah forgiving: See 2/187d below (to forgive means for Allah to change his Plan considering you, something which according to the Quran is impossible).

002 2/134: "They (the forefathers*) shall reap the fruits of what they did, and ye of what ye do!" Islam does not have the concept of "the inherited sin" - Adam and Eve fell from grace, but all the same were forgiven, according to the Quran.

Another point is that to forgive means for Allah to change his Plan considering you, something which according to the Quran is impossible.

003 2/175b: "They are the ones who buy Error in place of Guidance and Torment in place of Forgiveness." One of Muhammad's many distaste and worse inducing names for non-Muslims.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d below.

004 2/178c: “The law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder” - take revenge (though to forgive is a good deed - or accept money instead of revenge). Rather similar to OT, much harsher than NT.

Another point is that to forgive means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner, something which according to the Quran is impossible. See 2/187d below.

005 2/187d: "- - - (Allah*) forgave you - - -". Wrong. Allah can forgive nobody unless he for one exists and for two is a god, neither of which is documented.

But can at all Allah forgive? - even if he should happen to be a god? The Quran MANY places states that Allah predestines absolutely everything, and he predestines it according to his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. And he predestines it long time before it is going to happen - he f.x. according to Hadiths predestines whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven already when you are a 4 months old fetus = 5 months before you are born. Now the Quran tells that man also has free will - a necessary claim not to make Allah very unjust when he sends a person to Hell for sins (or for that case rewards him for good deeds) - but those are two things which are impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god to combine. Give man even the slightest degree of free will, and the laws of chaos inexorably finish off predestination - the god can make things happen by adjusting this and that, but the moment man gets the possibility to change his mind once more about something, full predestination is gone - and the same is full precognition. Even Islam admits that full predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man (some claim that partly free will is possible, but that is wrong - the laws of chaos is very clear on that point; the so-called "butterfly effect" kicks in): We quote (A6/141 - comment to verse 6/149): “In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true". But here Islam is leaving religion, and entering pure mysticism. In the non-material realms of life there are things impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god. Proofs for this in 6/149a above.

If there is complete predestination in Islam like the Quran states as absolute several places in the Quran, forgiving can have no effect in this religion - everything is already decided and nothing can be changed in Allah’s long since predestined Plan - and to forgive means to change the predestination/Plan (You of course may claim that also the forgiving was predestined, but then it is not forgiving any more but threat). To claim the opposite just is mysticism, not religion.

We further quote 67/9c: "(Non-Muslims said*): '- - - ye (Muslims*) are in nothing but an egregious delusion". As for the Quran, all the mistaken facts and other errors, the contradictions, the low quality of the book as literature, the unclear language, etc. prove with mathematical certainty that the book is not from any god. As for Allah he of course could have existed in spite of the fact that the Quran is a made up book - made up by dark forces or by (a?) sick or not sick human(s) (the only alternatives). But when you add Allah's background - he originally was the pagan god al-Lah (sometimes named Allah) which Muhammad simply dressed up, and without the slightest proof claimed were the real god and the only god. Then you add Muhammad himself - a man who wanted respect and power, not to mention riches for more power - and women - and a man who did not hide that he believed in the use of dishonesty to reach a goal (he lied even in the Quran - f.x. the "explanation" that nobody would believe anyhow, even if Allah had proved himself by making some miracles; Muhammad was too intelligent and knew too much about people to believe in that claim himself. And there was al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), and Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), even though they were not formalized until later. And not to forget "War is deceit - war is betrayal", and "break your word/promise/oat if that gives a better result - pay expiation later if necessary (2/225, 3/54 (if Allah can cheat, cheating is ok), 5/89, 16/91, 66/2)). (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

Add this and add to Muhammad's unreliability and low morality (easy to see in the Quran if you skip the glorification and read the reality) the fact that neither Muhammad, nor Allah ever was able to prove anything at all of any essence concerning Islam or Allah, add the fact that Allah has not manifested himself one single time neither during the life of Muhammad, nor afterwards, manifested or proved himself in any way - numbers of claims, but not one single proved case. The only place Allah ever manifested himself, was in the mouth of Muhammad. Add the fact that both science and even more so Islam (they have searched harder) have delivered so strong circumstantial and empirical proofs for that the Bible is not falsified, that it practically is a mathematical proof (44ooo old scriptures : 0 proved falsification in reality = a mathematical proof) - and that thus Allah's claimed history disappears, as he is not the same god as Yahweh (the teachings and everything are fundamentally and morally too different) - yes, not only disappears, but are proved to be made up and wrong.

Add all this, and you end up with a probability for his existence far below one to a million. The circumstantial and empirical proofs for that he does not exist, are so strong that it practically is a mathematical certainty.

Then finally add the Muhammad's and Islam's partly immoral moral code, their partly unethical ethical code, their very immoral code of war and terror, their code for dishonesty, betrayal, etc., their partly unjust judicial code, their political code (apartheid/fascism/Nazism), and the Quran's cultural code (f.x. knowledge = knowledge related to Islam only), you end up with such a strong empirical proofs proof for that if Allah after all exists, he is no good and/or benevolent god, that also these in practice are so strong that they are to be classified together with mathematical proofs in strength and reliability.

Combine all this and there just is one conclusion possible: The chances for that this claimed god can forgive, by far is less than one to a million. Far less. (And the same goes for that he f.x. can punish or reward or for that prayers to him can have any effect - for the same reasons: Even if the infinitesimal chance for that he exists should happen to be a reality - even if perhaps totally different from what is described in the Quran - his predestined Plan cannot be changed.)

006 2/199b: "- - - ask for Allah's forgiveness". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god, none of which is proved.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

007 2/214b: "Or do ye think that ye shall enter the Garden (of Bliss) without such (trials) - - -". You cannot expect to enter Paradise except after trials. Incompatible with the Bible and especially NT where the only condition is that you are forgiven your sins.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

008 2/218f: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah could not and cannot forgive unless he exists and in addition is a god - neither of which was ever proved. There only is the word of a man with doubtful moral and according to central Islamic literature believing in the use of dishonesty if that gave a better result - a man also with strong personal motifs for making people believe, as that gave him respect, power and riches (at least for bribes) - and women.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

009 2/224g: "- - - Allah is one who heareth and knoweth all things". Here it seems to mean that Allah understands what you really meant when you swore an oath, and thus can forgive - against expiation - the not too strongly meant oaths (and even those if there is a reason for breaking them). But oaths also have another side: The humans. How can anyone know when a Muslim is telling the truth and when not, when not even an oath is very serious to break, if he thinks there is a reason for doing so? And how can a Muslim telling the plain truth strengthen his words in order to be believed, when the opposite part knows about al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), the advices about breaking even oaths if that gives a better result, Muhammad's practicing (and thus permitting all Muslims to do the same) of deceit, etc.?

There are clear samples for that Muhammad lied (f.x. promising the peace delegation from Khaybar safe return) or advised people to lie (f.x. to hit enemies or save one's money).

Just for the record: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), and Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing) can be used at least in these cases (for broken oaths there are given no real limitations if the broken oath will give a better result. By implication this also goes for ordinary words and promises, as an oath is something stronger than a normal word or promise):

  1. 1. To save your or others' health or life.
  2. 2. To get out of a tight spot or a dangerous problem.
  3. 3. To make peace in a family.
  4. 4. When it will give a better result than honesty or honoring one’s oath.
  5. 5. To cheat women (should be remembered by girls with Muslim boyfriends wanting sex - or wanting a marriage to get residence or work permit in a rich country (we have personally seen such cases).)
  6. 6. To deceive opponents/enemies.
  7. 7. To betray enemies.
  8. 8. To secure one’s money (very clear from Hadiths).
  9. 9. To defend Islam. (Advised used if necessary to succeed.)
  10. 10. To promote Islam. (Advised used if necessary to succeed.)

But al-Taqiyya is a double-edged sword: In the short run you may cheat and deceive some ones – actually also in the long run if the opposite part does not know about this side of Muslims and of Islam, or if he/she is naïve. But in the long run: No-one can quite trust a Muslim/Muslims/Islam in serious questions.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

010 2/225b: "- - - He (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nothing unless he really exists and in addition is a god - none of which is ever proved.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

011 2/226a: “For those who take an oath for abstention from their wives (preparing for divorce*), a waiting for four months is ordained; if they then return (all is ok and the marriage goes on*)”. If the man still wants divorce after the 4 months, it takes place. Divorce is very simple for men in Islam (but also possible, though more complicated, for women). But if a man breaks his oath by taking back his wife before the divorce is irrevocable, Allah forgives that broken oath.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner, something which according to the Quran is nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

012 2/226c: "- - - He (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nothing unless he really exists and in addition is a god - none of which is ever proved.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

013 2/235c: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nothing if he for one thing does not exist, and for another he in addition to existing has to be a god. None of these is proved.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

014 2/284d: "He (Allah*) forgiveth whom He pleaseth - - -". Similar to 2/272d above.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

015 2/284e: "He (Allah*) forgiveth whom He pleaseth - - -". Allah can forgive exactly nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner, something which according to the Quran is nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

016 2/286e: "- - - (Allah*) grant us forgiveness". There only are 2 who can forgive - the victim and a god. Is Allah an existing god? - if not he cannot forgive.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

017 3/16b: "- - - forgive us (Muslims*) - - -". Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and is a god. There only are Muhammad's words for both, and how reliable are Muhammad's words?

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

018 3/17c: "- - - forgiveness - - -". See and 3/178d 3/16b above.

019 3/31c: "If ye do love Allah, follow me (Muhammad): for Allah will love you and forgive your sins - - -". Partly strengthening his - Muhammad's - platform of power, and partly pep-talk - including a promise which was very cheap for Muhammad, especially if Allah does not exist.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

020 3/88-89: "- - - nor will their (the ones who leave Islam*) penalty be lightened, nor respite be their (lot) - Except for those who repent (even) after that (see 3/89a just below*) - - -". The Bible will say that the ones who repent and believe in Yahweh, not those who believe in Muhammad and Allah, will be forgiven.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

021 3/89c: "- - - verily Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See 1/1a above.

###022 3/129c: "He (Allah*) forgiveth whom He pleaseth - - -". Here is one of the really deep differences between the Quran and NT: Allah forgives whom he pleases, whereas Yahweh according to the Bible forgives each and everyone who honestly regrets and tries to live a better life. The same god? It is not even a silly question.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

023 3/133a: "- - - forgiveness from your Lord (Allah*) - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god. There is no clear indication - not to mention proof - for any of those two necessities.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

024 3/135b: "- - - who can forgive sins - - -?". On Earth the ones sinned against can forgive. But here it obviously is meant a higher level, and then it only is a god or whom he has given the right to do so, which can be the answer. But there must be made an addition: Only gods who really exist can do so - and it is highly unlikely that Allah exists and is a god, as he only appears in a book full of mistakes and other errors and a book obviously not from any god, dictated by a man of highly dubious morality. Gods from fairy tales do not count in this connection.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

025 3/136a: "- - - forgiveness from their (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a god. Thus Allah can forgive only if he exists and if he in addition is a god.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

026 3/147a: "Our (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*)! Forgive us our sins - - -". This Allah only can do if he is not a made up god in a made up book - and a book so full of all kinds of errors is not from any god.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

027 3/147b: "Our (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*)! Forgive us our sins - - -". Even if Allah should happen to be a god, he cannot forgive if that is contra to his claimed predestined Plan - the prayer then is a waste of time and effort. And if he has predestined forgiving and put it into his Plan long ago, prayer is not necessary as forgiving already is decided. If predestination is true like the Quran claims many times, prayer never has an effect in Islam - a fact strongly contradicting the Quran's never documented claims.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

##028 3/157b: “And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass”. Nearly no matter how bad a man (nothing is said about women) you have been, to be killed for Allah, is the sure way to go to Paradise. A mighty - and cheap - way to get warriors.

The old Vikings “knew” that if they were killed in battle, they went to Valhalla - that made them ferocious warriors. In Islam the sure way to Paradise with its lazy luxury life and plenty of women, had and has the same effect.

There are two questions, though: Who decides which wars are wanted by Allah? - if you look at history, it seems that a lot of the wars Muslims have fought, in reality were for wealth and power, but mostly they all the same have been declared Holy Wars, a few times even by both sides when both parts were Muslims. And: What if the Quran is invented or not telling the full truth? - all the mistakes and contradictions, etc. in the book make one wonder (or stronger). At least no god makes such a quality book. If the Quran is not from a god, this promise of Paradise also is not true.

In the wars between Sunni and Shi’ia and in power struggles among leaders, a lot of warriors have been cheated - both parts in a war between Muslims cannot be fighting for Allah and the “right” belief, but all warriors on both sides often were told they fought against enemies of Allah. If at least one part was right, the warriors from the opposite part had a rude awakening in Hell, even if they were told and believed they were fighting enemies of Allah. Not to mention when all was a struggle for power among leaders, and Allah did not agree at all that any of them were fighting for him - they only were sinning by killing fellow Muslims “without a good reason”, which is a grave sin worthy of Hell.

And even worse: If the Quran is made up or does not tell the truth on this point, no comment is necessary. Especially not if there exists another, true religion somewhere - a religion Muslims are prohibited to look for. Where will the Muslims end in case if there is a next life?

The same if Allah was/is from the dark forces.

As for forgiving see 2/187d above.

029 3/157d: "- - - forgiveness - - -". Allah only can forgive if he exists and in addition is a god.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or react to a prayer - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

030 3/159c: "- - - ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them (some sinners*) - - -". But to what avail if everything is predestined by Allah long time ago like the Quran states many places? - predestine in accordance with Allah's Plan which nothing and no-one can change, if the Quran tells the truth. There are too many points in the Quran where the logic breaks down - even central and serious points like this. If everything is predestined by Allah long time ago, praying for help or something simply has no meaning, as Allah's Plan is unchangeable. And there are more places in the Quran where the logic is as hopeless. No omniscient god stumbles around like this.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

031 3/193b: "Forgive us (Muslims*) our sins - - -". Allah only can forgive sins if he exists and is a god.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

032 4/43h: "- - - Allah doth blot out sins and forgive - - -". Not unless he exists and is a god, and if he behaves like described in the Quran - and if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about this.

Another point is: Can Allah forgive? To forgive in case means to change his predestined Plan, and to change that Plan is impossible according to several verses in the Quran. See 2/187d above.

033 4/48a: “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him, - - -.” See 2/255a and 6/106b above, and 25/18a below.

Another point is: Can Allah forgive? To forgive in case means to change his predestined Plan, and to change that Plan is impossible according to several verses in the Quran. Also see 2/187d above.

034 4/64g: "- - - asked Allah's forgiveness - - -". To what avail is such a request if it is true that Allah predestines everything according to his unchangeable Plan? As everything is predestined according to an unchangeable Plan, prayers can have no effect - the Plan is unchangeable.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

Or is this one more of the many contradictions in the Quran? - a most serious one even?

Also see 4/43h - and 2/187d - above.

035 4/64h: "- - - asked Allah's forgiveness - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and a god. Thus in cases where Allah - if he exists - is not the victim, he cannot forgive unless he is a real god.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner, something which according to the Quran is nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

036 4/95+96a: “- - - those who strive hath Allah distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward – Ranks specially bestowed by Him (Allah*), and Forgiveness (for anything if you are killed in battle*) and Mercy.” No doubt who is the best Muslim and what is the best deed in Islam – the warrior and the war are most pleasing to Allah. (To call Islam “The religion of peace” is an insult to the intelligence of everybody who has read the surahs from Medina with an open mind.)

As for forgiveness see 4/43h and 4/64g - and 2/187d - above.

But remember as for punishment and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

037 4/95+96b: “- - - those who strive hath Allah distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward – Ranks specially bestowed by Him (Allah*), and Forgiveness (for anything if you are killed in battle*) and Mercy.” The total and 180 degree difference from NT - in NT physical fighting is not accepted at all. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and one of those many proofs which each alone proves this.

But remember as for punishment and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

038 4/96a: "- - - Forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive only if he exists and if he is a real god. Also see 187d above.

039 4/99a: "- - - forgive - - -". Allah can forgive only if he exists and if he is a real god - and perhaps not even then; see 2/187d above.

040 4/106a: "- - - the forgiveness of Allah - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and a god. Thus Allah can forgive if he is the victim - which he never is unless he exists - or if he is a god.

Besides see 2/187d above.

041 4/116a: “Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this - - -.” This in reality is identical to 4/48a-f above. See this. Also see 25/18a below. As for forgiving see 2/187d above.

042 4/137c: "- - - Allah will not forgive - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a god. Thus Allah cannot forgive unless he is a god - and of course not unless he exists. But perhaps he not even then can forgive - see 2/187 above.

043 4/153g: “Yet they (the Jews of Moses*) worshipped the (gold*) calf - - - even so We (Allah *) forgave them - - -.” That he should do so, is contradicted by - or contradicting:

  1. 4/48: “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him - - -.”
  2. 4/116: “ Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him - - -.” - and there are more ones.

(2 contradictions).

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner, something which according to the Quran is nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

044 4/168d: "- - - Allah will not forgive - - -". Allah simply cannot forgive unless he exists and in addition is a god, neither of which is proved. Muhammad was not able to prove anything at all concerning central points in his new religion. Claims based on nothing is a hallmark of cheats, swindlers and deceivers - was Muhammad a such one?

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

045 5/9d: "- - - hath Allah promised forgiveness - - -". Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and in addition is a god. But also see 2/187d above and 5/9f below.

046 5/9f: "- - - a great reward". True only if Allah exists, if he is behind what is told in the Quran, and if the Quran in addition tells the full truth and only the truth about this. And not least: Only if this paradise really exists. Nothing is ever proved - like always for central claims in the Quran.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

047 5/18f: "He (Allah*) forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punish whom He pleaseth". Whereas the Christian god according to the Bible forgives anyone who regret honestly and tries to make amends, and punishes only those who deserve it. The same god? Guess twice.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

048 5/39a: "- - - Allah turneth to him (a repenting sinner*) in forgiveness - - -". Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and in addition is a real god.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

049 5/40g: "He (Allah*) forgiveth - - -". See 5/39a above. Also see 2/187d above.

050 5/74b: "- - - and seek Allah's forgiveness - - -". Only the victim or a deity - or one with permission from such ones - can forgive. As Jews and Christians did not believe Allah was a real god, they simply did not - and do not - believe he could/can forgive.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

051 5/95d: "Allah forgives what is past - - -." See 5/93c above. Deeds which were no sins according to your old religion, but are sins according to Islam, are automatically forgiven if you ask Allah for this, if you do not repeat them after you became a Muslim and learnt they were sins".

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

052 5/98b: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

053 5/101e: "Allah will forgive - - -". Allah only has the power to forgive if he exists and if he in case is a real god.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

054 5/118a: "If Thou (Allah*) dost forgive them (sinners*) - - -". Allah only can forgive if he exists and in addition is a god.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d above.

055 7/161b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall forgive you (Muslims*) your faults - - -". There only are two who can forgive something: The victim and a god. Is Allah a god - - - if he exists? At least his claimed words, the Quran, is from no god - too much is wrong.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

056 7/199a: “(Muhammad*) Hold to forgiveness (towards the “infidels”*). This verse is abrogated – made invalid - by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threats, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256 in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran". (At least 28 abrogations).

  1. Many non-Muslims - and Muslims - say that terrorists and others pick and choose and disuse the Quran when they hate and kill. But in reality it is the militants and the terrorists who are right: According to the surahs from Medina it is the peaceful Muslims who are not good Muslims - and the surahs from Medina mostly override the peaceful ones from Mecca as they are younger, as mentioned before. (As this book is meant to be one to open and find out things – an “encyclopedia” - we sometimes repeat essential information, so that readers do not have to search too much - in addition to that many things are repeated because the Quran often repeats and repeats and repeats itself, and we have to give the answers). But some mullahs, militants and terrorists really do know how to read the Quran correctly. And the horrible fact is: The militants do read it correctly (with the possible exception of self murder).
  2. Most of the verses telling about peaceful coexistence with and treatment of non-Muslims are found in the some 86 surahs from Mecca (610-622 AD). Practically all the bloody, suppressing, hate, rape, robbery (“lawful and good”) and war verses are from Medina (622-632 AD). That means that many or most of the peaceful ones are nullified (abrogated) by the much harsher ones from Medina, a fact which turned the religion into one of disgust and haughtiness towards others, and war and robbing and conquest - a religion that fitted the warring desert Arabs (by far the majority in Arabia at that time) most well (it is symptomatic that Muhammad did not start getting large quantities of followers until he stopped preaching peace, and started preaching robbing, stealing, slave taking, ”lawful and good” rape, suppression, war and riches and power also in this life - - - and abrogated the peaceful verses to get a warriors‘ and robbers‘ religion.)
  3. You will see that in many cases it is the same verses/points that are abrogated (and thus often at the same time are contradicted) by many other verses, and the other way around. The reason simply is that many or most of the harsh verses – mainly from Medina where Islam changed to a war religion – each abrogates and contradicts many or most of the same softer verses – mainly from the earlier time (the Mecca period).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

057 8/4a: (A8/5): “Such in truth are the Believers: they have grades of dignity with their Lord (Allah*), and forgiveness, and generous sustenance - - -.” Yes, generous sustenance, etc. – but where? Many or most scholars say “in Paradise” – this has the extra benefits that the promises of luxury can be bigger, and one does not have to explain why pious people on Earth often are not very well off. But others – like Razi – claims it is in this world, with the good feelings one have when one believes strongly, as the main benefit. The text itself is silent about the mystery. And these variants also - as always - are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has more than one meaning.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

058 8/4c: "- - - forgiveness - - -". But Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god (his moral code and laws may f.x. indicate that he is something dressed up from the dark side).

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

059 8/29e: "- - - forgive you - - -". Only two can forgive - the victim (or his representative) and a god. Is Allah really a god - if he exists? Muhammad is the only source for claims about him, and the real Muhammad was not very reliable (cfr. al-Taqiyya - lawful lies, Kitman - lawful half-truths, broken oaths, deceptions, etc.). Also his book, the Quran, is choke full of mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. and not from any god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

060 8/38c: "- - - their (sinners'/non-Muslims'*) past will be forgiven them - - -". This only is possible if Allah is an existing god, and in addition a benevolent and forgiving god. (In spite of all big and glorious words, f.x. 1/1a above indicates that he - if he exists - is not much forgiving. And remember that demands and deeds are much more reliable than cheap, big words. To find the real truth in a piece of propaganda, skip the glorious words and read the demands and deeds.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

##061 8/38-39a: “Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief (become Muslims*)), their past would be forgiven them, but if they persist, the punishment for those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight with them until there is no more tumult and oppression, and there prevail justice (sharia?*) and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere”. Well, this to say the least of it contradicts and abrogates and kills:

  1. 2/256: “Let there be no compulsion in Religion” and some other older, “soft” verses.
  2. ##5/28: “If thou (“infidels”, Cain*) dost stretch thy hand against me (Muslims, Abel*), it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee - - -.” When you read this, remember that Muslims have few if any overall moral codes and no moral philosophy - only the words and example of Muhammad. What they have to do is to look for “What did Muhammad say about such things?” If he has said something, they take that as a codex – good moral or not. If not, they have to look in the book: “Is there a parallel situation somewhere?” If they find – sometimes by stretching imagination – that is the way to act, or the alibi for how one wishes to act. Mind also that this verse is one of the very few in the entire Quran that is in accordance with the teachings of Jesus – one of the very few. And it is totally “murdered” by abrogations.

(2 abrogations).

#062 8/38-39b: “Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief (= becomes Muslims*)) their past will be forgiven them; but if they persists - - - fight whit them - - -”. Muslims like to quote the Quran saying that there shall be no forcing others to become Muslims - it is used as a proof for that such things never happen (f.x. 2/256). But here it is said just the opposite: Become Muslims or fight. This in reality was often the choices the other part had: Come to Islam or die - though it should be mentioned that this mostly were the case when Islam waged war on pagans, not so often when the other part were Jews or Christians - though this, and also pogroms, happened frequently. Some Muslim wars of conquest were rather bloody (understatement) - included mass murders after the victory.

These two verses are interesting because:

  1. They oppose - contradicts - another verse (2/256: "Let there be no compulsion in religion") - which the Quran, Islam and Muslims say never happen.
  2. They prove that force may be used to convert people to Islam.
  3. They tell that refusing to convert to Islam is a valid reason for attack according to the Quran. (Actually all the 4 law schools in Islam accepted that the fact that an opponent was non-Muslim as sufficient reason for declaring holy war - jihad - on him and attack. This right up to the first part of the 20th century.)

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

063 8/70c: “O Prophet! Say to those who are captives in your hands: ‘If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you - - -.” It also is a bit ironic that Muhammad had attacked and stolen and raped and murdered and enslaved - - - but it was his victims who needed forgiving. Muhammad the hypocrite. Some religion.

The hypocrite side of Allah is visible not a few times in the Quran. Worth a sardonic laugh.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

064 8/70d: "- - - He (Allah*) will forgive you (Muhammad's victims*) - - -". But Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god. And even then it is an open question if he can forgive, because forgiving means to change his predestine Plan which the Quran several places states that nobody and nothing can change. But here it is expected that your wish for forgiving will change his Plan, which as said it impossibly can do.

It also tells volumes about Islam that it is their victims who are claimed to need forgiving, in spite of that normally it was and is Islam and/or Muslims who were/are the aggressors.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran is something nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

##065 8/74d: “- - - for them (warriors, terrorist and all their helpers and those giving them aid*) is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous”. This sentence tells a lot about Islam. And it also is a good pep talk.

It also may explain some of all the help terrorists get from “normal” Muslims.

But a serious question as a book with so many errors as the Quran is not from a god: Are these never proved claims true?

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

066 8/74g: "- - - for them (Muslims) is the forgiveness of sins - - -". Allah only can forgive if he exists and in addition is a god (not f.x. someone from dark forces dressed up like a god or like Gabriel - Muhammad would not have a chance to see the difference).

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from a central angel, this had been such a strong argument, that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

067 9/5n: "- - - for Allah is Oft-forgiving - - - ". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

068 9/13d: “Will ye (Muslims*) not fight people who violated their oaths (like Muhammad did himself*), plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive lead by being the first (to assault) you?” The Quran says the best thing is to forgive - - - but why live according to one’s own words? To wage war and gain riches and power for Muhammad and Islam is reality, the words are just words. And if you do not want to go to war, it is incredible! - you then are no good Muslim!!

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

*069 9/21a: “Their (terrorists/warriors*) Lord (Allah*) doth give them glad tidings of a Mercy (that terrorists/warriors for Allah are forgiven practically any sin*) from Himself (from Allah personally*), of His good pleasure (from the fighting and murdering they have done for the good and kind and benevolent god*), and the Gardens for them, wherein are delights (earth-like riches, luxury and women*) that endures”. The ultimate pep talk for war, terror and murder? In the name of a presumably peaceful religion and a kind and good god?

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

070 9/80a: "Whether thou (Muhammad*) ask for their forgiveness, or not (their sin is unforgivable): if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness, Allah will not forgive them - - -." Some contrast to the NT: There is no sin which is unforgivable if there is honest regret and remorse. And Jesus said: "You shall forgive seventy times seven times" (if there is real regret and remorse). The same god? - prophets in the same line of traditions? Hardly, to use an understatement.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

###071 9/80b: "- - - (their (some bad persons*) sin is unforgiveable - - -". One more of the abysmally deep differences between especially the NT and its New Covenant and the Quran, and on one of the most fundamental points in the religions: As mentioned just above, in the NT no sin is unforgiveable if you really and honestly regret. One more of the 110% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same gods and for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same line of prophets (this even omitting the fact that Muhammad was no real prophet as he was unable to make prophesies).

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

##072 9/113a: "It is not fitting, for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray forgiveness for Pagans - - - (who are bound for Hell*)". In NT it always is permitted to pray for the lost souls - we are back to the search for f.x. "the lost lamb" and to "the 11.th hour" (Luke 15/8-10 and 15/11-31, Matt. 18/12-14, 20/8-13). Definitely Allah is not like Yahweh - and Muhammad not in the same line of prophets as Jesus (if they had been, their teachings had had to be similar). And remember: Science has proved far beyond any even unreasonable doubt that the Bible and especially the NT is not falsified in spite of Muhammad's never proved claims - may be some mistakes, but no falsifications. The best proof for this is Islam: If one single real falsification had been found, Islam had screamed about it to every living being on Earth, included rats and worms. No such scream has ever been heard.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

####073 9/113d: "It is not fitting, for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray forgiveness for Pagans, even though they be of kin - - -". This cynical sentence tells a few megabytes about the Quran, about Muhammad, and about Islam - not to mention about the Quran's and Islam's moral code. And even if this was the only difference between the Bible and the Quran, this alone had been a 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

074 11/3a: "- - - See ye (Muslims*) forgiveness from your Lord (Allah*) - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god (not f.x. from the dark forces).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

075 11/11a: "Not so (go wrong*) those who (good Muslims*) show patience and constancy, and work righteousness; for them is forgiveness (of sins) and a great reward". This is the ideal for Muslims according to the Quran - but remember that war and suppression are among the top duties, and that the Islamic moral is such that ultimate idol is the stealing/robbing, extorting, enslaving, womanizing, raping, distaste and war mongering, murdering man Muhammad - a man who on top of all had so little respect for the truth that he more or less institutionalized al-Taqiyya (lawful lie) and Kitman (lawful half-truth - or perhaps an as correct definition is that you can tell lies, but make mental reservations inside you, and thus do not sin) and according to the Quran advised even breaking your oaths (and can you break oaths, you also can break weaker promises and words) if that gave a better result. (The Quran also contains some obvious lies he made - f.x. that miracles would make no-one believe, a claim any intelligent man knows is untrue.)

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

076 11/11c: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) is forgiveness - - -". There only are two who can forgive - the victim and a god. Thus Allah only can forgive if he exists and is a god.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

077 11/52a: "Ask forgiveness from your (peoples'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he for one thing exists and for another is a god (not. f.x. something from the dark forces).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

078 11/61f: "- - - ask forgiveness of Him (Allah*) - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and the god. Is Allah a god? - does he even exist, god or not? There only is the claim from a man with a doubtful reliability, but with a wish for power.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

079 11/90a: "But ask forgiveness of your Lord (Allah*) - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god (if he is from the dark forces, it is less likely "forgiveness" from him is valid).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

080 12/29c: "O Joseph, pass this over! (O wife), ask forgiveness for thy sin, for truly thou hast been at fault!" See 12/8b above.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

081 12/92b: "- - - Allah will forgive you (the brothers*) - - -". According to the Bible, Joseph's god was Yahweh, not Allah.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

082 12/98b: "Soon I (Jacob*) will ask my Lord (here indicated to be Allah*) for forgiveness for you". Why - if Allah predestines everything, the brothers only did what Allah forced them to do, and is there then a reason for asking for forgiveness? - and besides: If Allah has predestined everything according to a plan nobody and nothing can change, like the Quran states many places, why spend time and effort on prayers, when they can change nothing?

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not, many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

083 13/6f: "But verily thy (people's*) Lord (Allah*) is full of forgiveness for mankind - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See 1/1a above. Also Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d above.

084 14/10f: "- - - forgive your sins - - -". There only are 2 who can forgive: The victim and a god. Is Allah a god even if he should happen to exist? - he at least is not behind a book of a quality like the Quran.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

085 14/41a: "- - - Thy (here indicated Allah*) Forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nothing unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d above.

086 15/85h: "So overlook (any human faults) with gracious forgiveness". Among human faults according to Islam, are disbelief in Allah or even leaving Islam - and you bet Muhammad left this 621 AD point of view when he grew strong enough. f.x. Arabia to a large degree was made Muslim at the point of the sword, and the wish to leave Islam soon carried - and some places carries - death penalty. This verse is abrogated – made invalid - and contradicted by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threats, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 28 abrogations).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

087 16/96d: "And We (Allah*) will certainly bestow - - - (on Muslims*) - - - their reward according to the best of their actions." One more difference between Yahweh and Allah: For Yahweh regretting sins and asking for forgiveness counts more than the good deeds. For Allah it is mainly the balance between good (sometimes "good") and bad deeds which counts. A plus for leaders on Earth who wanted action.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

088 17/33b: "And if anyone is slain wrongfully (it is clear from the Arab word used here - "zulm" (actually the full expression is "qutila mazluman") is not used in connection to accidents), We (Allah*) have given his (females not mentioned*) heir authority (to demand punishment/revenge (the Arab word here "quisa" may be translated with fair revenge or fair punishment or similar*) or forgive) - - -". But the Arab word here translated with heir - "wali" - have several meanings, like "protector" etc. From this f.x. Zamakhshari means it also may include the government = the judicial system. (But this is not clearly said, and in several Muslim countries it is the killed person's family/heir who has the last word as to whether a death sentence is to be executed or not.)

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

089 17/44h: "(Allah*)is Oft-Forbearing, Most Forgiving!" He can forgive no-one unless he exists.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

090 18/58a: "(Allah*) is Most Forgiving - - -." He can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

091 18/58a: "(Allah*) is Most Forgiving - - -." He can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

092 19/47b; "- - - I (Abraham*) will pray to my lord (here indicated Allah*) for thy (his father's*) forgiveness - - -". Why? - if Allah predestines everything long before, and does so according to a Plan which nobody and nothing can change, like the Quran states many places, prayers have no meaning in Islam, as they cannot have any effect. A question Muslims never touch.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not, many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

093 20/73b: "- - - may He (Allah*) forgive us (the magicians of Ramses II*) our faults - - -". All the other things aside; Allah only can forgive if he exists and is a real god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

094 20/82b: "- - - I (Allah*) am (also) He that forgives - - -". This Allah only can do if he exists and is a god (or the victim for the sin).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

095 22/50c: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) is forgiveness - - -". Only if Allah exists and is a major and a benevolent god - only the victim or a god can forgive.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

096 22/60g: "- - - Allah is One that - - - forgives (again and again)". Only two can forgive; the victim and a god. This thus only is possible if Allah exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

###097 26/51: "Only, our (the sorcerers*) desire is that our Lord (Allah) will forgive us our faults, that we may become foremost among the Believers". For one thing this is not from the Bible. For another thing it is a contradiction to reality - one know there was no religion like Islam in Egypt around 1235 BC when the Exodus happened according to science - if it happened. But more serious: #####That Muhammad told that such an after all small miracle could make all the sorcerers such strong believers, proves very strongly that he knew he was lying each time he told miracles would make no-one believe. Also see 26/46-47 above.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

098 26/86: "Forgive my (Abram/Abraham's*) father, for that he is among those astray". Contradicting the Bible - in the Bible there is no conflict between Abram - later Abraham - and his father. There also is no conflict between Abraham and the others.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

099 27/11f: "- - - I (Allah*) am Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

100 27/46c: "- - - ask Allah for forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

101 28/16a: "So (Allah) forgave him (Moses) - - -". There only are two who can forgive: The victim and a god. Thus this sentence only can be true if Allah exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

102 29/7c: "- - - blot out all evil - - -". = Forgive. Forgiving from the god is an essential part also in the Quran, but forgiving is less central and your deeds more central in the Quran, than in f.x. NT. This distance is enlarged by the effect of the Quran's often big gap between its (im)moral code and "do unto others like you want others do unto you"

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

103 29/13a: "They (non-Muslims*) will bear their own burdens (of sins*), and (other) burdens along with their own, and on the Day of Judgment they will be called to account for their falsehoods". In the Quran sinners on some occasions have to carry also the burden of sins of the one you have sinned against. F.x. if you kill someone "unjustly", the victim loses the chance of being forgiven by Allah later in life, and then he/she is forgiven and you have to take over his/her burden of sins.

If this principle really is valid in a possible next life, it will have serious effect for many a Muslim if Allah is a made up god and/or the Quran has not told only and the full truth in everything. In that case all the millions of killings and murders and assassinations done by Muslims throughout times are "unjust killings" - and the killers only can hope for that there is no next life and no god judging their deeds.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

104 33/35f: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) has Allah prepared forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god (well, may be also if he belongs to the dark forces, but it is questionable what value the forgiveness in case has).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

105 33/71b: "- - - forgive - - -". Allah can forgive nobody if he just is a made up god or a dressed up pagan god (al-Lah) - not to mention if he belongs to the dark forces.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

106 34/2c: "- - - He (Allah*) - - - the Oft-Forgiving". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

107 34/4e: "- - - for such is Forgiveness - - -". There are just two who can forgive: The victim and a real god. Does Allah exist, and is he in case a god? - there are many claims, but not the smallest proof.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

108 35/7d: "- - - but for those who believe and work righteous deeds, is Forgiveness and a magnificent Reward". See 37/7a below.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

109 35/7g: "- - - Forgiveness - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a god. The claimed forgiveness thus here only is possible if Allah exists and is a real god of some power.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

110 35/28d: "- - - Allah is - - - Oft-Forgiving". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See also 2/187d above.

111 35/30b: (A35/22 – comment omitted in English 2008 edition): “- - - He (Allah*) will grant them their just rewards, and give them (even) more out of His Bounty; for He is Oft-forgiving, Most ready to appreciate (service).” “The Message of the Quran” (2008) has it like this: “- - - for, verily. He is much-forgiving, ever-responding to gratitude.” What the literal meaning is according to the less “revised” 2006 edition, is (translated from Swedish): “He (Allah*) forgives much and He shows great gratitude.” May the different ways of “understanding” the text derive from the fact that it cannot be correct that the great god Allah can show gratitude towards mere humans?

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

112 36/11f: "- - - Forgiveness - - -". Only two can forgive; the victim and a god. Was Allah a real god - if he existed?

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

113 36/27a: "For that my (a Muslim*) Lord (Allah*) has granted me forgiveness and has enrolled me among these held in honor!" This only is possible if Allah exists, is a major god and is correctly described in the Quran - a book so full of errors that no god has ever been involved in it.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

114 38/66e: "(Allah is*) forgiving again and again". There only are 2 who can forgive - the victim and a god. This claim only can be true if Allah exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

115 39/5h: "He (Allah*) Who forgives again and again - - -". There only are 2 who can forgive, the victim and a god. Then this quote only is true if Allah exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

116 40/3a: "(Allah*) forgiveth Sins - - -". Only 2 can forgive sins - the victim and a god. This sentence is not true unless Allah exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

117 40/7b: "- - - implore Forgiveness (from Allah*) - - -". Allah can forgive nobody, unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

118 40/42f: "- - - (Allah*) forgives again and again!" This only is possible if Allah exists and is a god - only a god (and the victim) can forgive.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

119 40/55g: "- - - ask forgiveness - - -". Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

120 41/6e: "- - - ask for His (Allah's*) Forgiveness". Allah can forgive only if he exists and only if he in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

121 41/43b: "- - - Forgiveness - - -": Allah only can forgive if he exists and in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

122 42/5e: "- - - pray (to Allah*) for forgiveness - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and a god. Allah thus only can forgive if he exists and if he in addition is a god, except in the cases where he is the victim - - - if he exists.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

123 42/25c: "- - - (Allah*) forgives sins - - -". This only is true if he exists and is a god - if not he cannot forgive sins.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

124 42/30e: "- - - He (Allah*) grants forgiveness". Only 2 can forgive; the victim and a god. Is Allah a god - if he exists?

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

125 42/34c: "- - - much doth He (Allah*) forgive". This only may be - may be - true if he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

126 42/37c: "- - - forgive - - -". To forgive is a point also in the Quran. But it is far from as central as in NT. And when the claimed Day of Doom comes, according to the Quran it mainly are the balance between your good and bad deeds which will count (though Allah may forgive bad deeds if you are a good Muslim), and to forgive only is one among your good deeds.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

127 42/40d: "- - - if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah - - -". Forgiving is a theme also in the Quran, but far from as central as in especially NT.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

##128 45/14a: “Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah.” But the word “forgive" was slowly forgotten after 622 AD – when they also took on the duty of also being enforcers. With the result: This verse is contradicted and often abrogated and “killed” by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

129 46/8f: "And He (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive exactly nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

130 46/31g: "He (Allah*) will forgive you (people*) your faults - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a god. Is Allah a god - if he exists? There only is a claim from a man with dubious moral, but a liking for power, wealth for bribes, and for women, which tells this.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

131 47/19c: "- - - forgiveness - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and a god. If Allah exists, is he a god? - there only is Muhammad's word for it - and Muhammad's word has limited value with among other facts his belief in dishonesty - f.x. (al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth) - both building on Muhammad’s words and deeds - "war is deceit"/"war is betrayal" (and "everything" jihad), "break even your oath if that gives a better result - pay expiation afterwards if necessary".

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

132 47/34c: "- - - Allah will not forgive them (non-Muslims*)". Allah can neither forgive nor not forgive unless he exists and in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

133 48/2a: "- - - Allah may forgive - - -". Allah cannot forgive unless he for one thing exists and for another in addition is a god, none of which is proved - there only are the claims of a not too reliable and moral man who on top of all needed a platform of power.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

134 48/11c: "- - - do thou (Muhammad*) ask forgiveness (from Allah*) for us". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

135 48/14d: "He (Allah*) forgives whom He wills - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a god. Is Allah a god - - - if he exists? Often claimed, never proved, often "explained" away.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

136 49/3b: "Those (ordinary Muslims*) that lower their voices before Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - - for them is Forgiveness and a great Reward". No comment necessary. Except see 49/1b-c above.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

137 49/3f: "- - - Forgiveness - - -". Impossible for Allah to grant unless he exists and is a god - none of which Muhammad was able to prove.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran is something nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

138 51/18b: "- - - praying for Forgiveness - - -". See 51/17 and 51/18a above. In addition: Allah in any case can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

139 57/28h: "- - - He (Allah*) will forgive you (Muslims*) - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a god. Thus this only may be true if Allah exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

140 60/4g: "- - - but not (= no good example*) when Abraham said to his father: "I will pray for forgiveness for thee - - -". It is normal for leaders of extreme sects to try to cut their followers' connections to people outside the sect, included the nearest family, because knowledge from the outside may tell truths the leaders do not want should reach their often manipulated congregations. Muhammad and Islam was - and is - in good company when doing this.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

141 60/4j: "- - - forgiveness - - -". According to the Quran, Abraham's god was Allah. But Allah can forgive nobody and no-one unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

142 60/5c: "- - - forgive us (claimed good Muslims*) - - -". But Allah can forgive exactly nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

143 61/12a: “(If you go to war and/or are killed for Muhammad*) He (Allah*) will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of eternity - - -.” There once was a cheap book named “All this and Heaven too”. It is similar here: all the rape and stealing and slaves you can manage – and for those good, benevolent deeds for your as benevolent god: The Paradise with more luxury and more women. Nice and attractive for naïve, poor and virile – not to say virulent – uncivilized young and not young men.

This point is totally at odds with the Bible (some war in OT, but for Israel, not for Yahweh) and especially with NT. One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

144 61/12b: "- - - forgive - - -". Allah can forgive nobody, unless he exists and is a god.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

145 63/5e: "- - - forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

146 64/17d: "- - - He will grant you (Muslims*) Forgiveness - - -". There only are two who can forgive: The victim and a god. Is Allah a god - - - if he exists?

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran is something nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

147 66/8i: "- - - Forgiveness - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and a god. Thus Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and is a god. (He cannot forgive if he is no god, because then there is no sin in disbelieving that he is a god, and thus there is nothing to forgive).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

148 67/2d: "- - - He (Allah is*) - - - Oft-Forgiving". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

149 67/12c: "- - - Forgiveness - - -". There only are two who can forgive: The victim and a god. This means that unless Allah exists and in addition is a god - neither of which is proved - he cannot forgive anyhow.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

150 71/4a: "So He (Allah*) may forgive - - -". There only are 2 who can forgive: The victim and a god. This thus only can be true if Allah exists and in addition is a god (not f. x. something from dark forces pretending to be a god, like parts of the Quran and parts of its moral code may indicate).

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

151 71/7a: "- - - that Thou (Allah*) mightest forgive them (non-Muslims*) - - -". There only are 2 who can forgive - the victim and a god. Then this is wrong unless Allah exists and is a god.(Remember here that it is no sin to doubt Allah the god, if he is no god.)

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

152 71/10a: "Ask forgiveness from your (peoples'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". See 71/4a above.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

153 71/28b: "(Allah*). Forgive me (Noah*), my parents, all who enter my house in Faith, and (all) believing men and believing women - - -". These represented the ones Noah took on board the ark - Allah saved all believers according to the Quran. In the Bible only Noah, his wife, his (3) sons and their wives = 8 persons were on board the ark (Gen.6/18 and Gen.7/13). From where did Muhammad get this new information, as no god was involved in the making or delivery of a book of a quality like the Quran?

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

154 74/56d: "He (Allah*) is - - - the Lord of Forgiveness". There only are 2 who can forgive - the victim and a god. For this to be true, Allah has to exist and in addition to be a major god (not f.x. someone from the dark forces masquerading - and cheating Muhammad - as a god). But also see 1/1a above.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

##155 78/40c: (YA5914): "Is Judgment very near? Yes. There are three stages of Judgment. (1) Many of our sins and wrongdoings find their penalty in this life. It may not be an open and striking event, but it corrodes the soul and conscience all the time. Let us therefore turn back to Allah and ask for forgiveness. (2) Where the Penalty is not actually perceived in this life, Death is considered the Lesser Judgment for each individual soul. - - - Death may come to anyone at any time, and we must be ready for it. (3) Then there is the final Judgment, when the whole of the present order passes away - - -". An interesting fact here is that this is not a clear part of the Quran - ###the Lesser Penalty is nowhere clearly mentioned in the book.

###Also see (YA5822) under 75/22c above - a detail is interestingly different: Here death is the Lesser Judgment, there it is some pain after death which is that judgment.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

156 110/3c: "- - - His (Allah's*) Forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

Another point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, something which according to the Quran nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above.

Sub-total Chapter 86 = 156 + 8.376 = 8.532.


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