Muhammad in the Quran, Vol. 4: Chapter 82

 

PREDESTINATION - ITS EFFECT ON THE CLAIMED FREE WILL FOR MAN

Muhammad needed full predestination for man to attract more and more fierce warriors. But he never was able to explain away the conflict between full predestination like the Quran claims, and f.x. free will for man, the effect of prayers, or the possibility of forgiving.

The Quran claims both that Allah predestines every detail on Earth, included every detail of your life, and that man has free will - some Muslims limits it to "partly free will", even though this is not said in the Quran. But even partly free will for man is impossible to combine with full predestination by Allah - in the non-physical parts of existence there are things impossible even for an omnipotent god, and these two are impossible to combine. Even Islam admits it is impossible to see how it can be true. (But they claim that it must be true because Allah says so in the Quran. If man is created by a god, the brain is the second biggest gift he got after life itself, and here is a proof for that very often that gift is not used - an insult against the giver.)

In spite of the Quran's words, Allah either has full predestination and man no free will, or man has free will and Allah not full predestination. (Well, if Allah exists and is a powerful god.)

Islam itself admits they are unable to explain this – probably largest – contradiction in the Quran. Their solution simply is to say: We cannot understand or explain it, but is has to be true, as Allah say so in the Quran (!!!) We quote from "The Message of the Quran" - a book certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy (Al-Azhar in Cairo is one of the 2-3 foremost Islamic universities in the world),(A6/141 - In the English 2008 edition A6/143): "- - - the real relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on the one side, and man's free will, on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran - a book full of mistakes*), both must be true.

The ultimate defeat for intelligence and knowledge. And the ultimate victory for blind belief. To combine these two claims is possible only in occultism, mysticism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

If Allah predestines everything, the claim that man has a free will - even partly - is a bluff. And like it or not: Bluffs are a kind of lie.

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*001 1/1-7b: “In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful, Praise be to Allah - - - Thee do we (Muhammad and Muslims*) worship and thine aid we seek. Show us the strait way - - -“. The Quran starts with a contradiction. All the places where Muhammad quotes Allah starts with the word “Say”. It is not present here, which means that it is Muhammad or Muslims who are praying - as said above; in a book claimed and presumed to have been made by Allah at least before Adam, since also Adam (who in reality never existed as man developed from earlier primates according to science) was introduced to the book, but perhaps have existed since eternity – which means at least since before the Universe was created some 13.7 billion years ago). And a book which is the revered and unalterable "mother book" in Heaven (13/39, 43/4, 85/21-22) – revered by Allah and his angels in his own “home”. Impossible and a solid internal contradiction.

Muslims try to explain it with that Allah is omniscient and knows everything, and of course knew this, too – that Muhammad would be praying, and included it in the "mother book" at the beginning of time.

The problem only is that this is even theoretically impossible if man has free will – and if man has no free will, then for one thing the Quran is lying, and for another thing: How then explain that all the bad and unjust persons in reality are acting according to Allah's wishes, and how justify that a presumably good and benevolent god forces humans to behave in such ways that they end in Hell?

The combination of that Allah knows everything long before – not to mention that he decides and predestines everything – and free will for man is an absolute impossibility, even for gods. Actually it is a version of “the Time Travel Paradox” and that paradox is long since proved unsolvable.

An easy way to understand this is:

  1. If Allah is omniscient: The moment Allah says: Now I know the future, man can do nothing that changes what Allah knows, because that would make Allah’s knowledge wrong. Man has no free will from that moment (and remember that Allah has decided and knows your life since before you were born, and in this special case much longer - he f.x. according to Hadiths decides your future and whether you are to end in Hell or in Heaven when the fetus which is to become you, is 4 months old = 5 months before you even are born) – .
  2. If man has free will: Then it is not possible for Allah to know the future, because a man can always change his mind one more time, after Allah thought that now he knows the future. Then Allah is not omniscient, or at least not fully clairvoyant.
  3. Some Muslims try to explain this away with claiming that man has partly free will - an expression never used in the Quran, and we also never have found an explanation for what it means. But this "explanation" is meaningless, as if a person cannot change his mind about something, then he has no free will in that case, and is just a puppet. Besides as mentioned: The claim that man has free will is never restricted in any way in the Quran.

Actually Islam admits they are unable to explain this – probably largest – contradiction. Their solution simply is to say: We cannot understand or explain it, but is has to be true, as Allah say so in the Quran (!!!) We quote from "The Message of the Quran" - a book certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy (Al-Azhar in Cairo is one of the 2-3 foremost Islamic universities in the world),(A6/141 - In the English 2008 edition A6/143): "- - - the real relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on the one side, and man's free will, on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran - a book full of mistakes*), both must be true.

The ultimate defeat for intelligence and knowledge. And the ultimate victory for blind belief.

But as for this explaining away of how the prayer is taken into in the Quran – a copy of the claimed very old "mother book" - there are only these 5 possible solutions:

  1. Allah was praying to himself in the "mother book". Too ridiculous to discuss.
  2. Muhammad was really praying, but outside the text from the "mother book" and then adding it into the Quran. But how much more of the texts in the Quran is then from outside the "mother book" - just added to it?
  3. It really is from the "mother book", but Allah or Gabriel forgot the essential word "say"– but how many more words are then forgotten in the Quran?
  4. It - the order "Say" - was in the "mother book" and neither Allah nor Gabriel forgot – but Muhammad did. But then – if he forgot something, how much more did he forget which should have been in the Quran?
  5. Muhammad or someone made up the Quran or at least this surah, and forgot to pretend it was from Allah.

Pick your choice.

There are similar contradictions - Muhammad speaking - with the claim that it is all from Allah, at least in these verses: 2/286, 6/104, 6/114, 11/2b, 19/36b, 27/91a, 42/10a and 51/50-51a. In addition there as mentioned above, is at least one place where it is clear that angels are speaking (41/30-32) - which makes it impossible that the book can be from eternity, as at least some of the angels had to be created before the book (if not angels could not speak in the book (and as they spoke to humans, the book could not be made before there were humans) - and actually the similar goes for Muhammad - he could not speak in the Quran before he was born.

002 2/184b: “But he that will give more, of his own free will – it is better for him.” But the Arab expression “alladhina yutiqunahu” may be “able to do it” or “can afford it”. In this translation it tends towards "ability to afford". But if one thinks the other one is the correct, the meaning may be this: “Whoever does more good than he is bound to do, do good unto himself thereby - - -.” To do god is a much wider word than to give. Clear language in the Quran?

But another point: If Allah predestines everything, there remains no space for free will for man - this in spite of what Islam claims on this point - those claims are wrong.

##003 2/26k: "- - - but He (Allah*) causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path (to Paradise*)- -)". Here we are back to one of the impossible problems in Islam: How can man have free will if Allah decides everything, and does so according to his unchangeable Plan, absolutely every minor detail even? - or the other way round. Islam blames any bad things on yourself - may be after you listened to the devil - in order to be able to tell that Allah is a good and kind and benevolent god. But how is that possible when it is an absolute truth in Islam that absolutely nothing happens unless Allah wills so and unless it is according to his Plan and predestination? If Allah also wills the bad things, he is no good god. So Muslims blame your free will - but free will only is an illusion if Allah decides everything. But as Allah is bad if he sends people to Hell without giving them a fair chance, Muhammad was - and Muslims are - forced to claim free will for man in spite of Allah's deciding everything. Freely quoted: "We cannot explain this contradiction, but both have to be true as it is said in the Quran" (A6/141 - in English 2008 edition 6/143), is the only explanation Muslim scholars are able to give - a book full of errors, contradictions, etc. is the only "proof" they have to give. The total capitulation of mind and intelligence for blind belief.

###004 2/210c: "But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)". Here we are back to the predestination: Allah decides everything, and he decides it according to his unchangeable Plan. And then we are back to the question of man's free will: If Allah decides everything, man's claimed free will is just an illusion. But if man's free will is an illusion, how then can Allah punish humans? - not to mention how can he punish for it and still be a benevolent, fair and good god? This is an unsolvable problem for Islam. The lay members of Islam are fed good words about the free will of man and that Allah is able to see the future no matter and thus only reacts to what you do. Fast words are cheap and if the naive or the strong believers want to believe these logical impossibilities, it is easy to make them believe it. But the moment Allah "writes down" your future, your free will is gone - if not Allah's knowledge may turn out to be wrong. Or if you really have free will, Allah can never know the future for sure, because you always can change your mind once more. Most Muslims happily overlook or are not aware of this impossibility, but among the scholars you meet it (though they never debate it with their lay followers if they can avoid it). We quote from Azad: "The Message of the Quran", surah 6, comment 143 (to verse 149):

#####"In other words, the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man's free will, on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true. The very concept of "Allah" presupposes omniscience; and the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part."

This is a version of the "Time Travel Paradox" - a paradox which is proved unsolvable. But instead of facing this fact, Islam makes the ultimate surrendered to blind belief - even blind belief in the impossible. (Actually they have to - or face the fact that something is wrong. A fact which is too difficult to meet, because that means something is seriously wrong with the religion). But they are giving in to a claim in a book full of mistakes, dictated by the man who institutionalized al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing) - formalized later, but the foundations for it were introduced by Muhammad - and advocated breaking even your oaths if that gave a better result, not to mention that he practiced deceit ("war is deceit" or "war is betrayal" - and "everything" is war). Islam here is leaving religion and entering occultism. Further comments should be unnecessary.

But notice: "- - - the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part". No matter what Islam claims and "explains", free will does not exist if Allah predestines everything, like the Quran clearly states several times.

005 2/253l: "- - - but Allah fulfilled His plan”. Predestination is central in the Quran. But full predestination like the Quran many places claims, means that man in case has no free will - both at the same time are impossible even for a god. See 3/154, 6/149a, 14/22b below.

**006 3/24a: "This because they (non-Muslims*) say (to Muhammad or Muslims*): 'The Fire shall not touch us but for a few number of days'". This is one of the very many sentences in the Quran which could not reliably be written into a book - the claimed "Mother Book" - claimed to be made before man was created or even much earlier, unless Allah's predestination you find many places in the Quran, is 100% and absolute - just like the Quran claims. If man had free will - even a little bit of it - he could change his mind and say something else (or the laws of chaos had long sins thrown the story far off track because someone had changed something earlier) and the text in the claimed "Mother Book" the Quran is claimed to be a copy of, would not be correct, or at the very least not reliable. So either predestination is absolute - but how then can Allah reward or punish humans for what he forces them to do? - or this is written after it happened.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

As mentioned there are many - very many - places in the Quran where the text could not be reliably written unless the predestination is absolute. Actually this goes for all points where a human could act or talk differently if he changed his mind a little, and also all the places where someone in times before - perhaps long before - what is described, changed something and threw the story off track. If f.x. David's father had not sent David to his brothers in the battlefields with food (1. Sam.17/17-18), Goliath had not been killed - and what then? If the Quran is as old as Muhammad and Islam claimed and claims, the only possibility for that these very many points could be reliably written into the book, is that predestination is absolute. If man has free will, even just a little, he can change things and change the future, and then the reliability of the old text in the claimed "Mother Book" of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy, is gone.

But if Allah's predestination is absolute, it is morally impossible to defend his punishment of humans for their sins - sins he with his predestination has forced them to perform.

Muhammad needed predestination to make his warriors believe war was not dangerous, but he needed free will for man to justify punishment for sins, included disobeying Muhammad or Allah (which on this Earth also meant Muhammad). He was unable to combine the two - as is Islam even today - - - for the simple reason that total predestination and free will for man is not possible to combine. Islam admits this, but lamely states that all the same it must be true, because Allah said so in the Quran(!) The ultimate defeat for the brain against blind belief.

But in the immaterial parts of existence there are things impossible even for omnipotent gods, and this claimed combination is one of them (it actually is a version of the so-called "time travel paradox", a paradox which is proved unsolvable). Also see 2/51b above.

007 3/109c: "- - - to Him (Allah*) do all questions go back (for decision)". = Allah decides and predestines all things - and everything he predestines according to his unchangeable Plan. (Contradicting claim: Man has free will - impossible if Allah decides all things on beforehand. This makes up one of Islam's impossible questions: Predestination contra free will for man - impossible even theoretically to combine, even for a god. Islam is unable to explain this combination - only claims that it has to be true anyhow, as Allah/Muhammad says so in the Quran(!!)). Also see 3/154e, 6/149a and 14/22b below.

008 7/188a: "- - - except as Allah willeth". The predestination - nothing can happen except as Allah will. (But where then is the claimed free will of man?)

009 8/3a: "- - - establish regular prayers - - -". But what is the idea with prayers in Islam if Allah predestines everything long before and according to his unchangeable Plan? - a plan "nobody and nothing can change". If nothing can change the predestination, prayers have no effect in Islam and are just a waste of time and effort. As bad: Similar goes for f.x. forgiving, not to mention free will for man.

221 8/44c: "For to Allah do go all questions go back (for decision)." All and everything ends with Allah for decision - because it is Allah who decides absolutely everything, and he decides it by predestination and according to his unchangeable Plan, which nobody and nothing can change, according to the Quran. (But if nothing can be changed from his predestined plan, which help can then f.x. prayers to Allah or pilgrimage or good deeds make? - everything is unchangeably locked to his Plan already according to the Quran!? - and man can have no free will).

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran. And also out goes free will for man - only in occultism, made up legends, and in fairy tale is it possible to combine full predestination for Allah, with even only a little free will for man. There exist immaterial laws which are unbreakable also for omnipotent gods. (A sample which is easy to understand, is that if you add the mathematical 1 to another mathematical 1, there only is one possible answer even for a god - the mathematical 2. Among the immaterial laws you will find a number of such samples, included some of the laws of logic and of chaos, some of which the statement "full predestination + free will for man = true" is trying to break. Impossible. And beware that "partly free will" - a Muslim way of trying to explain the problem away - is as meaningless as full free will, if there is complete predestination like the Quran claims many places. And the other way around: Full clairvoyance or precognition - ability to see or know the future - is impossible for a god if man has even partly free will; after Allah thinks 'now I know the future', a man always can change his mind once more. But partly precognition is possible (this is what Yahweh has the Bible makes clear)).

####010 9/51a: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Allah decides everything. The predestination - but where then is the claimed free will of man which justifies Allah's punishments for sins? - not even Islam is able to explain that. Islam even admits it is not possible to explain it, but adds lamely that it all the same must be true, because Allah says so in the Quran(!!) (A6/141, 6/143 in English 2008 edition). The ultimate defeat for the brain vs. blind belief.

And where is the effect of prayers in Islam, if Allah already has predestined what is going to happen, like the Quran tells he always do?

011 9/85a "Allah's Plan - - -". Allah predestines everything, and he does it according to his Plan - a plan nobody and nothing can change. But how can he then punish man for sins Allah himself has planned and forced man to do? - Full predestination means no free will for man, no matter what the Quran claims - even Islam has given in explaining how both can be possible (A6/141) - and then: How can Allah punish for what man is forced to do? Also: Has prayer any meaning when Allah already has decided the outcome?

012 10/53d: "And ye (wrongdoers*) cannot frustrate it (your destiny*)". Allah has decided - predestination rules. Different from NT where there is possibility to the very end, if there is honest regret and remorse.

Predestination also is proved wrong by science. Several aspects of the claims of predestination is possible to test, f.x. by means of statistics, and f.x. the claim that the chance for dying a certain day is not greater in a battle than when working in your fields, playing with your children, or sleeping in your bed, is thoroughly proved wrong. (The claim also is logically hopeless.)

##013 10/64c: “- - - in the life of the Present and in the Hereafter, no change can there be in the Words of Allah.” For one thing this sentence has serious effect for the ones who say that predestination in the Quran, is not real predestination – when Allah has said/thought/written something, no free will of man can change anything - - - which means there is no free will, and things are predestined as sure as carved in stone. But more relevant just here is that there were many and sometimes large changes in Allah’s words after this “revelation” in 621 AD, and also just one year later Muhammad/Allah(?) started to change the religion totally and fundamentally (from peace to a war religion). Thus this claim is contradicted by the changes in the Quran and in the religion (from quite peaceful to a full-fledged war religion) from around 622 - 624 AD. Islam simply was very much transformed - from peace to thieving/looting, extortion, suppression, rape, slave taking, and blood.

####The main change was that the entire religion was changed from something peaceful, to a religion of hate, suppression, inhumanities and blood. But there were a lot of other changes in what Allah (?) had said – all the contradictions which came because the religion was changed, and things had to be adjusted for, and all the abrogations (sorry substitutions according to some Muslims – another, but nicer, name for just the same) which became necessary. So many abrogations, that they demanded explanations:

  1. 2/106: “None of our revelations do We (Allah*) abrogate or cause to be forgotten, But We substitute something better or similar”. Well, this is a contradiction – and an abrogation – in itself. This actually is one of the verses behind the use of abrogations in Islam. It may also be one of the reasons – may be the main reason – why abrogated and thus invalid verses (like 2/256: "Let there be no compulsion in religion") were included by Caliph Uthman in the Quran originally – they should not be abrogated in the meaning that they should be forgotten. But abrogations are absolutely necessary in Islam, because there are so many contradictions, that the situation would be impossible unless they could be eliminated by making a number of them invalid. Se separate chapter about abrogation in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran". NB: Surah 2 from which this verse is taken “arrived” in 622-624 AD. Allah’s words from 621 AD had to be dismissed rather quickly and on a large scale – the change to a robber baron and war religion had started.
  2. 16/101: “When We (Allah*) substitute one revelation for another - - -.” Yes, to “substitute” definitely sounds better than to “abrogate” – but the only difference is that “substitute” is daily English (though perhaps from Latin originally), whereas “abrogate” is more pure Latin. The meaning in this case is just the same. And this verse proves that Allah had to start “substituting” his proud words from 621 AD, maximum one – 1 – year later, because surah 16 is from ca. 622 AD. Allah’s (?) words are for the eternity – but not for long eternities when it is a tempting idea to start stealing and robbing, and it may be wise to have a war religion instead of a peaceful one. But one question: Was it Allah who found he had made a mistake by starting a peaceful religion? - or was is Muhammad who wanted warriors and needed a more warlike teaching which caused the marked change in Islam after 622 AD?

10/64 also totally abrogates the claim about free will for man, as it tells Allah's predestination cannot be changed. And not to forget: If Allah's predestined Plan is unchangeable like the Quran flatly states many places, also prayers are meaningless - they will have no effect on the predestined Plan.

The ironic fact is that this strong statement is proved wrong by even the Quran: There like said were many and deep changes "in the words of Allah" - changes necessary to change Islam from a quite peaceful religion before the flight to Medina in 622 AD, to a full religion of war and dishonesty (included stealing, etc.) from shortly after the arrival in Medina on.

#######As ironic: Both the sentence that there can be no change in Allah's words, and the changed words, rules, etc. from Medina today are central and strong points in Islam.

014 11/90b: "But ask (pray for*) forgiveness of your Lord (Allah*), and turn to Him (in repentance) - - -". What for if Allah already has predestined everything according to his unchangeable Plan, like the Quran strongly states several places? - nothing can all the same change what is to happen - prayers and repentance in case just are wasted time and effort if this is true. And what is Islam if it is not true?

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran. And also if Allah predestines 100%, out goes free will of man.

015 14/22b: "- - - reproach your (sinners'*) own souls (for sinning*)". Why? Why, when the Quran so clearly and so often states that Allah decides everything and has 100% predestination? It was Allah who decided that you should sin - how can he then punish you for it when he forced you to do it? As for "free will for man" which the Quran and Muslims blame, that is not even theoretically possible when there is full predestination by Allah - even Islam has given in explaining how that can be possible. (But Islam cannot drop the claimed free will - for one thing there then will be more mistakes in the Quran, and the religion and the god false ones, and for another Allah then will be a morally very bad god, punishing man for sins he himself has forced them to do. Therefore they say: "Even if it is impossible, it all the same must be true, because Allah says so in the Quran" (A6/141) - likely the lamest of all "explanations" you meet from Islam. In the immaterial sphere of existence there are things impossible even for omnipotent gods.) Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, and 7/34a above and not least 16/35e below.

016 16/1b: "(Inevitable) commeth (to pass) the Command of Allah - - -". It is inevitable only if:

  1. If Allah exists - but with all which is wrong in the Quran also this may be wrong (Muhammad after all just took over a pagan god, al-Lah, and claimed he was not pagan.
  2. If Allah in case he exists and is a major god, is correctly described in the Quran - again; with all which is wrong in the Quran, there might be mistakes also here, especially as all the mistakes makes it clear that the book and hence the description is not made by a god, and perhaps even more so as Allah was a peaceful god as long as Muhammad was in Mecca, but became a war god when Muhammad started to gain power and needed warriors in Medina. The change in the god in 622 - 624 AD is very striking, but never mentioned by Muslims or Islam. As the surahs from Mecca - some 85-90 - and the ones from Medina - some 22-28 (there are some one does not know the age of, though one believe one knows from which period) are mixed helter-skelter in the Quran, it is a bit difficult for readers who do not know the book well, to see this. But if you first read the surahs from Mecca, and then the ones from Medina separately, it is very easy to see this change from a peaceful to a war religion. And the point here is: An eternal god cannot change that much in just 1-2 years from Muhammad's arrival in Medina. At least one of the descriptions has to be wrong. Which of the descriptions - if any - is correct? Mecca and peaceful? - or Medina and dishonesty and blood, stealing and terror?
  3. If the Quran's claims about total predestination are correct (but in that case man has no free will, no matter what the Quran says about this - there are some of the immaterial laws which are impossible to break even for omnipotent gods), then something is very wrong in the Quran.

### 017 16/35e: YA here has an interesting comment (YA2057: "- - - the limited free will granted to man, which is the whole basis of Ethics". The Quran claims man has free will. As this obviously is wrong, as Allah predestines everything, some Muslims try to save the day by adjusting it to that the book and Allah in reality mean limited free will, something the Quran definitely nowhere says. The flat reality, though, is that if Allah decides and predestines everything, like the Quran states MANY places, there is nothing left for man to decide. Thus also "limited free will" is an impossibility. Worse: The fact that if Allah decides everything, means there is nothing left for man to decide, is such a simple mathematics, that it is not possible YA and all other learned Muslims do not know it. x - x = 0. There exists no other possible answer. All the same they use this argument - and many simpleminded or uneducated or wishful believers believe it. You meet a little too much of this kind of dishonesty in Islamic literature.

### But the really interesting point just here, is that YA clearly states the obvious: If man has no free will, all ethical questions concerning him disappears. What you are forced to do, tells nothing about your ethics. But on the other hand it tells a lot about the ethics of the one who forces you to do it. Not to mention what it tells about the ethics of the one forcing you, if he punishes you for bad things he has forced you to do. Allah predestines everything according to his Plan, according to the Quran. All the same Allah punishes you for the bad deeds he forced you to do to follow his Plan. What kind of god is this?!!

Thus Islam has at least four problems concerning predestination where the contradictions are so strong, that they are unsolvable even for an omniscient and omnipotent god:

  1. If Allah predestines everything like the Quran states most clearly many places, there is no room for free will of man, not even for "partly free will". x - x = 0 simply, and no other answer is possible. (Also full clairvoyance from Allah would be impossible - with free will man always could change his mind once more.) It also is symptomatic that we no place in Muslim literature have met an explanation for how "partly free will" should be possible. Like so much in Islam, it just is a claim hanging on nothing.
  2. If Allah predestines everything, and you thus just do what he has decided you shall do, how is it then ethically and morally possible to punish you for bad deeds? - and for that case reward you for good deeds? What kind of god is this?!
  3. And the third problem - one Muslims and Islam NEVER mention: If Allah predestines everything, and does so according to his unchangeable Plan like the Quran states many places - and decides it even years and decades before it is to happen (your death and whether you are to end in Hell or Heaven f.x. are decided 5 months before you are born according to Hadiths) - there is no value in prayers, as prayers like everything else can have no effect on his decisions made according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change.
  4. And a fourth problem: Also forgiving means to change Allah's Plan - which "nobody and nothing can do". "Ergo" to ask for forgiving is meaningless, as it is asking Allah change his predestined Plan for you. If Allah's full predestination is true, the Quran's talk about forgiving and effect of prayers are untrue.
  5. And we may mention a fifth problem: If nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan, also the pilgrimage to Mecca is without any effect, and thus invalid and meaningless. Thus only because of this fundamental point in the Quran - full predestination - two of the claimed pillars carrying Islam - prayer and pilgrimage to Mecca - are without effect and value, and thus meaningless.

These are the reasons why you meet Muslims claiming that Allah's predestinations are not real predestinations, without explaining what it then is - and in stark contradiction to many clear statements in the Quran. And why you meet Muslims claiming the impossible - and like so often in Islam without logical explanation for how it is possible - that man has free will or at least partly free will, in spite of the 100% predestination stated frequently in the Quran, "because the claim has to be true because Allah says so in the Quran".

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

To summarize some effects of Allah's total predestination:

  1. Free will for man is not possible.
  2. Forgiving is not possible - it will change Allah's Plan.
  3. Prayers cannot have any effect, as such an effect will change Allah's unchangeable Plan.
  4. If your bad deeds are predestined by Allah, like the Quran claims, punishment is immoral.
  5. If your good deeds are predestined by Allah, like the Quran claims, reward is theatre.

018 16/101d: "(When Muhammad abrogates - makes invalid - older verses with new ones*) They (non-Muslims*) say - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones).

Besides: How come that an omniscient god did not make perfect rules at once, but had to abrogate and change them. Did he have to try and fail? Or was he undecided and f.x. found that some of his early rules and demands were too human and too little harsh and bloody? And there is the problem with free will for man (and perhaps for all animals - at least the primates?)If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different. And multiply even a tiny change with some billion people through the centuries, and many and also big things will be changed.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "Butterfly Effect" and the "Domino Effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
  5. The so-called "Domino Effect": Any change will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change - - - and so on forever. Also each cause may cause one or more or many changes. And: The Butterfly Effect only may happen, whereas the Domino Effect is unavoidable and inexorable - a main reason why if you in a battle is killed 5 meters from or 5 minutes later than where and when Allah has predestined - not to mention if you die when tilling your fields 50 miles off - unavoidably the entire future of the world is changed. Perhaps not much changed, but like said; multiply it with many billion people through the centuries, and the world is totally changed. And full clairvoyance of course totally impossible - except in occultism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, 7/34a, and 14/22b above.

019 17/13b: "Every man's fate - - -". In just this case it is likely Muhammad has forgotten about predestination, and refers to the claimed list of punishable sins versus good deeds, which he claimed would decide whether you will end in Paradise or Hell. He never even tried to explain how it was possible to combine full predestination with free will - and thus fair punishment for sins - for man, and Islam today admits they are unable to explain it. "But it must all the same be true, because it is said so in the Quran", is the unbelievable "explanation" (A6/141).

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#####020 17/59a: "And we (Allah*) refrain from sending Signs (Quran-speak for "proofs for Allah"), only because the men of former generations treated them as false - - -".

This is Muhammad's standard "explanation" for why Allah would not and Muhammad himself was unable to give any real proofs for the existence of Allah or for Muhammad's connection to a god - Allah or someone else. And it is not a good one, as for one thing it obviously is not true:

  1. There were stories both in the Bible and in the Quran - f.x. the sorcerers of Pharaoh Ramses II and Moses - about people believing in the performed miracles/real proofs (if true stories).
  2. Muhammad knew about at least some of the stories about the miracles Jesus performed, and how huge flocks of believers he got from the miracles.
  3. It is not only contra, but incompatible to, human nature and psychology that not a good percentage of the ones who witnessed real miracles/proofs would not come to believe.

Muhammad was intelligent and he understood people and how to manipulate them. He knew this. But he obviously was unable to find a better excuse - there are not many excuses which would work. But remember that dishonesty is an accepted working tool in Islam - f.x. al-Taqiyya.

What is really strange, is that Muslims have not seen through this "explanation" centuries ago, and still are unable to do so.

This is a monument over the effect of brainwashing, of wishful thinking, of ability to refuse to see the obvious, of lack of ability/training in critical thinking, uncritical acceptance of authorities, and more. A monument over the weak point of the human brain - and over taqlid (blindly and unquestioning believing because your fathers said that this and this - f.x. the Quran - must be the truth, because so their fathers had told them).

There are many such cases in the Quran. The three most prominent and serious effects may be the impossible combination of full predestination like the Quran states many places, and free will of man, and the as impossible combination of full predestination, and claims about any effect of prayers or forgiving.

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021 21/76b: “We (Allah*) listened to his (Noah’s*) (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress (= Allah saved Noah’s family from the flood*)”. But:

11/43: “- - - and the son (of Noah*) was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.” Noah just had 3 sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth – 1. Mos. 7/13, and not contradicted by the Quran – and he lost one of them. In addition it is clear from another place in the Quran that also his wife ended in Hell. That is not “saved Noah’s family”. (In the Bible Noah lost no son and his wife was not condemned to Hell.)

2 solid contradictions compared to the Bible. Besides: As the Quran is not from a god with all its mistakes, etc., the only source for information about Noah is the Bible. From where then did Muhammad get his claimed information not in the Bible? Similar claim in 37/76.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

But one really serious point: The Quran hers says that "“We (Allah*) listened to his (Noah’s*) (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress" = Allah delivered Noah from distress because Noah prayed for it. Noah was delivered from distress not because that was part of Allah's Plan, but because of Noah's prayer. As it was not part of Allah's Plan, this means that Noah's prayer changed Allah's Plan, something which according to many points in the Quran "nobody and nothing can do".

And remember here that even a small change in life or nature or anything, changes the entire future. Sometime it changes only minor details, other times much. This prayer from Noah in case changed the entire future of the humanity and the world. In this case there only were two things Allah could do: Save Noah and his family, or not save them. As the Quran states that Allah saved them because of Noah's prayers, this means that this was not a part of Allah's Plan. Thus the only alternative is that Allah's Plan was a future earth without humans, or with creating a new human race. This is a change so big, that it made any fixed and unchangeable Plan entirely invalid. At best Allah had to make a totally new one, at worst he has a not working old plan.

THE SAME WILL TO A LARGER OR SMALLER DEGREE BE THE CASE BECAUSE OF EACH AND EVERY DEVIATION FROM ANY FIXED AND PREDESTINED PLAN. MICROSCOPIC OR BIG, ANY CHANGE WILL CHANGE THE ENTIRE FUTURE AND MAKE ANY FIXED, UNCHANGEABLE PLAN INVALID. THIS EVEN MORE SO AS EVEN SMALL CHANGES ACCUMULATE THE EFFECTS AND MAY GIVE MACRO EFFECTS. THE UNAVOIDABLE DOMINO EFFECT + THE POSSIBLE BUTTERFLY EFFECT + THE EFFECT BECAUSE DIFFERENT EFFECTS MAY COMBINE.

SO MUCH FOR THE LOGIC AND THE REALISM BEHIND THE CLAIMS THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE F.X. FORGIVING, EFFECT OF PRAYER, OR FREE WILL FOR MAN WITH FULL PREDESTINATION BY ALLAH. (ONLY POSSIBLE IN OCCULTISM, MADE UP LEGENDS, AND FAIRY TALES.)

022 22/4b: "- - - the Penalty of the Fire". But how can a fair god punish anybody for doing what he has predestined them to do?! - the Quran several places states that Allah predestines everything, and that nobody can change what he has predestined (the Quran also claims that man has free will, but to combine full predestination for Allah with even a tiny little free will for man, is impossible even for a god - the two are mutually excluding each others, and maximum one of the statements can be true.) Also see 3/77b above.

023 22/32c: "- - - such honor (to sacrifice animals*) should come truly (definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim*) from the piety of heart". The sacrifices are to prove this piety of heart - but how come that an omniscient god needs the slaughtering of animals to believe you?

Another fact is that even if man had only a tenth of 1% free will, so that he himself could decide about doing this, after not much time the laws of chaos had destroyed both Allah's precognition and his predestinations - just ask f.x. any statistician or scientist. Free will for man (and f.x. any effect of prayer or forgiving) combined with full predestination by Allah, only is possible in occultism, mysticism, made up legends, fairy tales, etc. - this no matter what the Quran or Islam claims.

##024 23/9b: "- - - those who strictly guard their prayers - - -". The Quran has a central dogma which is confirmed many places in the Quran and in Hadiths: Allah predestines everything in this world - everything. This he does long time before it happens - years and decades and even more; 5 months before you are even born he according to Hadiths f.x. decides when you are going to die and whether you are going to end in Heaven or Hell. And his predestinations he makes according to his unchangeable Plan - a Plan nobody and nothing can change. This dogma was fine for Muhammad when he wanted to recruit warriors, which he needed lots and lots of after Islam was changed from a peaceful religion to a religion of war in 622 - 624 AD (Allah changed his mind about the value of peace and humanity contra war and power and terror and apartheid and stolen riches and slaves?)

But this is incompatible with at least 2 other central dogmas in the religion: Free will for man and prayers - and for that case with the dogma of forgiving:

The debated one is the dogma of free will for man. If Allah predestines everything, free will for man is an illusion, and humans are just puppets-on-a-string playing Allah's theater. But if that is the case, how can Allah punish sinners who have been forced by him to do what they did? - or for that case reward "good" persons who also just were playing their forced role? Muhammad needed the dogma of free will for man to be able to claim Allah was a just and good god who rewarded and punished justly. He needed that dogma and he launched it and he used it - - - but he never was able to explain how it could possibly be combined with the dogma about full predestination. And Islam has never been able to explain it - even today it is unexplained and unexplainable for Muslims. We quote A6/141 (English 2008 edition 6/143,comment to verse 6/149): “In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true.

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but for blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness. IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE. (Some Muslims try to "explain it with that the Quran just means partly free will, but that is just a joke. For one thing the Quran is very clear when it several places tells that Allah predestines everything, and then there is no room left for any even partly free will for man. And for another: Even partly free will for man will make reliable precognition and reliable predestination impossible for Allah - the laws of chaos sees to that. Full predestination for Allah is impossible even for gods to combine with even partly free will for man. In the immaterial realms of life there are things impossible even for omnipotent gods.

Then there is the other conundrum: Full predestination and prayers. What is the mission of prayers - and for that case pilgrimage (hajj) and good deeds - if everything is predestined long before? If everything is predestined years and decades before, and according to a Plan nobody and nothing can change, also prayers can change nothing and have no value or meaning, and just are wasted time and effort.

Worse: If it is Allah who has predestined that you have to make a prayer and pray for so and so, what meaning and value does it then have for Allah, when he knows that your prayer just is a repetition of what he decided you should pray for and what to say in your prayer? Such a "prayer" - or "good deed" or "hajj" - tells nothing about you, and has little value for any sentient being, included for a god.

Also read about "regular prayers" - f.x. 22/78j.

#####025 29/22a: “Not on earth nor in heaven will ye be able (fleeing) to frustrate (His Plan) - - -“. Predestination. No-one can change what Allah has destined in his Plan. What then about the effect of prayers? - and what about free will for man? - not to mention: What then about man's moral responsibility for his words and deeds? - and not to forget: What about forgiving (which means Allah will have to change his original Plan on that point)? At least something is wrong.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving and for free will for man in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

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###026 33/16c: “Running away will not profit you (Muslim warriors*), if ye are running away from death or slaughter, and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy”. Well, this proves two things: It is not possible to escape predestination - no matter what Islam tries to tell you today that "it is not real predestination" (with full predestination man has no free will, and it is immoral by Allah to punish for sins or reward for good deeds) - and that in spite of the Quran, you at least can change your destination with “a brief respite“. A respite that at least has to be for some hours or days - if not there had been newly-dead frightened warriors laying around the nearest tens and more kilometers from some battlefields (because of their predestined hour or minute of death) - dead for no obvious reasons after fleeing from battle.

This in addition to that modern statistical science long since has proved this verse nonsense. This even more so as even if they had got "no more than a brief (respite)", the laws of chaos then had changed the future - and Allah's precognition was gone.

But Muhammad got many and terrific, but naïve warriors - - - and was so intelligent that he had to know he was lying.

And this goes for each and every time he said things like this.

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027 35/4d: "- - - to Allah go back for decision all affairs". Allah decides and predestines everything. Where then is man's free will? Those two are not possible to combine, in spite of Islam's not only unproved, but unexplained and unexplainable claims (A6/141 - English 2008 edition 6/143: "- - - the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and therefore the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on the one side, and man's free will on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it (!!*), seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran - a book full of mistakes, etc.*) both must be true". Unbelievable naivety).

028 35/11g: "(The length of your life*) is in a Decree (ordained)". Predestination is very clear in the Quran, even if many Muslims try to tell it "is not really predestination", because full predestination like the Quran very clearly states many places, means man is not the one guilty for the sins he commits, and Allah is highly unjust punishing anybody for sins - or rewards good deeds. Full predestination also means that man has no free will - there are combinations even gods cannot make.

029 52/16: "- - - ye (non-Muslims*) but receive the recompense for your own deeds". This is not true if Allah predestines absolutely everything like the Quran claims many places. (Islam tries to explain this problem away by claiming man has free will or partly free will, but this is not possible to combine with full predestination even for an omniscient and omnipotent god - see f.x. comment A6/141 to verse 6/149 above.

You may just forget the Islamic claim that full predestination for Allah is possible to combine with even a little part of free will for man - Islam's claimed answer just is mysticism and hardly even that. The two claims are mutually excluding each other, and it is long since proved that when two claims mutually exclude each other, maximum one of them can be true. Another good proof is that the entire Islam during 1400 years has been unable to find even a way to "explain away" - not even "explain", but "explain away" - this very revealing point.

#####In a way worse: Also at least the educated intelligentsia in Islam knows ever so well that when two points are mutually excluding each other, maximum one of them can be true. All the same they say nothing. Dishonesty.

#####When a religion needs to use dishonesty - yes, perhaps partly is built on and rests on dishonesty - is it then a religion or a "religion"?

030 71/4d: "- - - when the Term given by God (here Allah*) is accomplished, it cannot be put forward" When Allah has predestined something and made it part of his Plan, nothing and nobody can change it - what Allah has predestined, cannot be changed.. (Then why f.x. prayers or the claimed freewill of man, as nothing can change his predestinations according to the Quran?)

031 74/38: "Every soul will be (held) in pledge for their deeds". Is this fair if Allah predestines everything you say and do like the Quran states? (The Quran claims that man also has free will, but this is not possible to combine with full predestination, even for an omnipotent god, as the two are mutually excluding each other - in the non-material realms of life, there are things impossible also for omniscient and omnipotent gods.)

##032 76/30a: “But ye (humans*) will not, except as Allah wills.” Total predestination. Contradicted by:

  1. 8/30 (614-618 AD): “Whenever misfortune happens to you (humans*), it is because of the things your hands have wrought - - -”. Also see 6/22 (630-632 AD): “No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence.”
    But also see all the places where Muhammad tells his people that battle is not dangerous - and refusing to do battle is to no avail - as Allah has long since decided the hour of their death, and nothing they do or not do, can change that hour. This point really goes to the heart of two facts in Islam:
  2. Muhammad came to stress predestination more and more as the years went by in Medina - one can speculate if the reason was that he needed warriors.
  3. And this is a serious point: THROUGH 1400 YEARS ISLAM HAS BEEN UNABLE TO EXPLAIN THE CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL, AND THAT ALLAH DECIDES AND PREDESTINES EVERYTHING. THE MORE OR LESS OFFICIAL POINT OF VIEW (THOUGH NOT AMONG THE UNEDUCATED ONES THAT HARDLY UNDERSTANDS THE PROBLEM) IS THAT THE TWO STATEMENTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE, “BUT IT HAS TO BE TRUE ALL THE SAME AS IT IS SAID IN THE QURAN”(!!!). ALSO THE SENDING PEOPLE TO HELL FOR A FAIR PUNISHMENT COMBINED WITH THE “FACT” THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERYTHING BY PREDESTINATION, IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE WITH THE PRESUMPTION OF A BENEVOLENT AND/OR FAIR GOD. Some Muslims back paddle very much on the point of predestination and try to explain that it is not real predestination, though unable to explain what it then is - but the Quran is too clear on this.
  4. Islam also never has explained how prayers can have value or meaning if Allah has predestined everything and according to his unchangeable Plan long time ago.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

ACTUALLY THIS ONE IS EXTRA INTERESTING, AS IT CONFIRMS THAT ALLAH DECIDES WHAT A HUMAN WILL. A N D W H E R E I S T H E N T H E C L A I M E D F R E W I L L O F M A N ?

Sub-total Chapter 82 = 32 + 8.222 = 8.254.


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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".