Muhammad in the Quran, Vol. 4: Chapter 80

PREDESTINATION - ITS BASIS IN THE QURAN

Predestination is like you will see below, a very strong part of the Quran, and of Muhammad's teaching. It is easy today to prove by statistical means, that at least central parts - and likely all - of this claim is wrong. But Muhammad needed the claim in order to tell his men that to go on raids and to battles was not dangerous. But even though both logic and science prove that the claimed predestination is wrong, also modern Islam strongly claims that it is a reality - if not fundamental parts of the religion is wrong and invalid. In many a religion it is difficult to face facts one does not like, or even prove the religion wrong, than to meet facts that prove that the religion is a made up one. Islam is just like many other religions concerning this.

It is better to flee from facts telling that the religion is a pagan or in other ways made up one, and come unprepared to the next life (if such one exists), than to admit that the religion of their fathers is invalid, and then have the chance to seek for a real one - - - if such one exists.

For more introduction see the previous chapter.

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###001 2/210c: "But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)". Here we are back to the basis of predestination: Allah decides everything, and he decides it according to his unchangeable Plan. And then we are back to the question of man's free will: If Allah decides everything, man's claimed free will is just an illusion. But if man's free will is an illusion, how then can Allah punish humans? - not to mention how can he punish for it and still be a benevolent, fair and good god? This is an unsolvable problem for Islam. The lay members of Islam are fed good words about the free will of man and that Allah is able to see the future no matter and thus only reacts to what you do. Fast words are cheap and if the naive or the strong believers want to believe these logical impossibilities, it is easy to make them believe it. But the moment Allah "writes down" your future, your free will is gone - if not Allah's knowledge may turn out to be wrong. Or if you really have free will, Allah can never know the future for sure, because you always can change your mind once more. Most Muslims happily overlook or are not aware of this impossibility, but among the scholars you meet it (though they never debate it with their lay followers if they can avoid it). We quote from Azad: "The Message of the Quran", surah 6, comment 143 (to verse 149):

#####"In other words, the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man's free will, on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true. The very concept of "Allah" presupposes omniscience; and the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part."

This is a version of the "Time Travel Paradox" - a paradox which is proved unsolvable. But instead of facing this fact, Islam makes the ultimate surrendered to blind belief - even blind belief in the impossible. (Actually they have to - or face the fact that something is wrong. A fact which is too difficult to meet, because that means something is seriously wrong with the religion). But they are giving in to a claim in a book full of mistakes, dictated by the man who institutionalized al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing) - formalized later, but the foundations for it were introduced by Muhammad - and advocated breaking even your oaths if that gave a better result, not to mention that he practiced deceit ("war is deceit" or "war is betrayal" - and "everything" is war). Islam here is leaving religion and entering occultism or mysticism. Further comments should be unnecessary.

But notice: "- - - the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part". No matter what Islam claims and "explains", free will does not exist if Allah predestines everything, like the Quran clearly states several times.

002 2/253k: "- - - but Allah fulfilleth His plan". According to the Quran Allah decides absolutely everything which happen in the world, and he decides it in accordance with his predestined Plan. Here: Has it been Allah’s Plan not to fulfill his Plan (which is to conquer and suppress the rest of the world) for some 1400 years?

003 3/47d: "- - - a Plan - - -". Allah predestines everything the Quran tells many places, and his predestinations are according to his Plan - a predestined plan no-one and nothing can change. (Why then f.x. pray to him, as nothing can change his decisions anyhow? Not to mention that an unchangeable Plan takes away all smithereens of the claimed free will for man - he cannot even decide to swap a fly or change his mind one time extra in a decade, unless it is predestined in the Plan which according to many verses in the Quran "nobody and nothing can change").

004 3/109c: "- - - to Him (Allah*) do all questions go back (for decision)". = Allah decides and predestines all things - and everything he predestines according to his unchangeable Plan. (Contradicting claim: Man has free will - impossible if Allah decides all things on beforehand. This makes up one of Islam's impossible questions: Predestination contra free will for man - impossible even theoretically to combine, even for a god. Islam is unable to explain this combination - only claims that it has to be true anyhow, as Allah/Muhammad says so in the Quran(!!)). Also see 3/154e, 6/149a and 14/22b below.

As for predestination contra free will for man, “The Message of the Quran” has this comment (6/141 to verse 6/149):

“In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true.

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but a blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness.

IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES AND PREDESTINES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE.

Predestination contra man’s free will actually is a version of “the Time Travel Paradox”, which is long since proved unsolvable. There is no way Allah can even be fully clairvoyant, not to mention decide everything on beforehand, and man at the same time have free will - not even partly free will, like some Muslims try to explain the problem away with. (More in the chapter about predestination in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".)

The ultimately clear and easy to understand claim.

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###005 3/145b: “Nor can a soul die except by Allah’s leave, the term being fixed as by writing”. Wage war - you die when your term comes and not before, no matter what you are doing. The for Muhammad most essential side of predestination? It is easy by means of statistics to show the claim is wrong, but right or wrong does not matter much in cases of blind belief. But one thing is clear: Any man as intelligent as Muhammad did know this was a lie.

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####006 3/154e: “Even if you had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death (anyhow*).” This is the "manifest" of predestination. And: This also is one of the points in the Quran where Muhammad knew he was lying. It is so obviously wrong, that an intelligent man like him knew this was not true. But he was a clever manipulator (“is it not more worth that I live among you, and spend the booty on the people not sure in their belief to make them stay in Islam?” f.x.) and he understood people. Lies like this worked because his followers were primitive and in addition wanted to believe. And for primitive, uneducated souls really believing mish-mash like this (it is easy to prove by statistics that it is untrue, if one are un-intelligent enough not to see at once that it is a lie) it was a mighty incitement – fighting in battles was not dangerous, because Allah had decided when you were to die, and at that time you would die whether you were in a battle or sleeping in your bed. It is worth noticing that even today this is the official point of view of Islam. To quote footnote 3/119 to this surah in “The Message of the Quran” (translated from the Swedish 2006 edition - not found in the English 2008 edition):

“(The) incorrect, heathen belief that humans by acting in special ways can avoid death (even for a time*)”.

Unbelievable!!

Today it like said is easy to prove by statistics that it is very wrong - but Muhammad did not know about statistics (and a god had not even needed statistics to know it was stupidity). On the other hand this claim is so contra all logic, that this like said is one of the points where Muhammad knew he was lying - he was too intelligent to believe in this. Actually Islam today back-pedals very much concerning predestination telling f.x. that the Quran does not mean real predestination (but not explaining what they claim it means). But in some cases the book is so clear, that it is impossible to explain it away.) f.x. many places connected to statements that when your time is out, you will die anyhow, and therefore you can as well go to war.

Also see 3/154g just below.

####Besides: Is it ironic to see a religion built on a book so full of errors, contradictions, wrong facts, etc., that it is clear there is no god behind it, naming others heathens?

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007 3/168c: “Say, ‘Avert death for yourselves (not good Muslims*) - - -.” This also refer to the Islamic belief in predestination: You cannot avert death - not even for a short wile - because Allah decided 5 months before you were born (according to Hadiths) when you are to die, and no-one can change Allah's decisions - he at the same time even decided if you were to end in Paradise or in Hell according to Hadiths. No further comment necessary.

008 3/189d: "- - - Allah hath power over all things." Allah decides everything - the Muslim teaching of predestination on addition to his total power - - - and again the impossibility even for a god to combine total predestination (- all things -) with free will of man = one more reminding of that something is wrong. And if it here is meant physical power, such power from Allah never is proved - - - well, actually none of his claimed kinds of power has ever been reliably proved. And his power? He has never clearly proved it.

We also remind you that f.x. prayers or forgiving will have no effect in Islam, as Allah long since has predestined everything according to a Plan nobody and nothing - f.x. prayers or forgiving - can change. And what about morality and ethics behind punishments and rewards if Allah predestines everything like the Quran clearly and without reservations states in different words may be a hundred places = no free will for man!?

009 5/1j: "- - - Allah doth command according to His Will and Plan". Here the predestination surfaces again: Allah decides everything, and does so according to his Plan where everything of the future is planned, and not possible to change. Where f.x. is the free will of man?

010 5/48m; "- - - (His (Allah's*) plan is) - - -". Allah decides everything, and according to his Plan which no-one and nothing can change. Predestination once more.

011 6/2d: “- - - and then (Allah*) decreed a stated term (for you).” Predestination once more. From other places (Hadiths) we know that your “stated term” (= how long you are to live) is decided by Allah when the fetus is 4 months old = 5 months before you are born. Which means you can as well go to war for Muhammad and perhaps become rich by looting, because you will die at a predestined day no matter. A related claim: At the same time as Allah decided your time of death, he also according to Hadiths decided whether you were to end in Paradise of Hell, and there is nothing you can do to change that diction. Any comments about f.x. a benevolent god or free will for man?

Nothing of this is from the Bible.

012 6/34b: "- - - there is none that can alter the Words (and Decrees) of Allah". At least when it comes to what is claimed sent down in the Quran, reality alters quite a lot of it. (But this is indicating the predestination - Allah decides and nobody can change his decisions, according to the Quran. Incompatible with the Bible. May be worse: Incompatible with the claim that man has free will.)

013 6/39e: "- - - whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander (end in Hell*) - - -". This refers to predestination. According to Hadiths (al-Bukhari) Allah decides 5 months before you are born whether you are to end in Paradise or in Hell. Compare this to "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13), and weep. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Just guess!!

014 6/57c: "The Command rests with none but Allah - - -". The decision and predestination: Allah commands - decides - everything, and of course according to his predestined Plan. (But nothing of this is ever proved.

015 6/60c: "- - - that a term appointed be fulfilled - - -". = That Allah's predestination that you are to wake up again is fulfilled - Allah predestines EVERYTHING. (Incompatible with the Bible>).

016 6/107b: "- - - Allah's Plan - - -". This is the reason for and the origin of all predestination: Allah's predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change even a nanometer. There is no such plan mentioned in the Bible.

017 6/115: “- - - none can change His (Allah’s) Words - - -“. Well, he is contradicting himself, as he clearly changes it himself when something forces him to – try and fail? Or change his mind about more blood and injustice from 622 AD on? – or because of other problems or things he has learnt?

018 6/115e: “- - - none can change His (Allah's*) Words “. Predestination and his Plan. Allah decides everything, and no-body can change anything. (Then why f.x. pray for help or a better future, when everything already is decided and the decisions impossible to change, because nothing can change his Plan?)

019 6/134b: "- - - nor can you frustrate it (Allah's predestination*) (in the least bit)". Nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestination and Plan - nothing and nobody at all. Then where is free will of man, and where is the rationale in praying, forgiving, bad or good deeds, etc.?

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####020 6/149a: (A6/141 – in 2008 edition 6/143): “With Allah is the argument that reaches home (= the decisive arguments = it is Allah who decides*) - - - ". Predestination again - because Allah long since has decided everything according to his Plan. And man's claimed free will?

“The Message of the Quran” has this comment:

“In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true."

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but for blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness.

IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE.

Also Islam here leaves religion and enters occultism and mysticism .

Predestination contra man’s free will actually is a version of “the Time Travel Paradox”, which is long since proved unsolvable. (In short: The king is murdered. A FTL-message (FTL = Faster Than Light) is sent to a star-ship off Sirius. FTL according to Einstein moves backwards in time, and arrives earlier than it was sent. The ship sends a warning to the king, and as it uses FTL, the warning arrives before the murder and the king avoids the murderer. Because of that no message is sent to the ship, which sends no warning to the king - and the king is murdered. Then a FTL message is sent to the ship - - - -".) There is no way Allah can even be fully clairvoyant, not to mention decide everything on beforehand, and man at the same time have free will. (More in the chapter about predestination.)

Another proof for that there are things in the non-material parts of life which are impossible even for an omnipotent and omniscient god: Add one mathematical 1 to another mathematical 1. The only possible answer even for a god is the mathematical 2. There simply are things not possible even for gods. And to combine full predestination with even a tiny part of free will for man, is one of them - the laws of chaos inexorably prohibit it. A god may direct this and that to happen, but full predestination or full precognition is not possible if it is possible for man to change his mind, even if he can change it only now and then.

Yet another point: It is a proved fact in science (logic) that if two claims are mutually excluding each other, maximum one of them may be true.

PREDESTINATION ALSO MAKES F.X. PRAYERS MEANINGLESS: IF ALLAH HAS PREDESTINED EVERYTHING, PRAYERS CAN CHANGE EXACTLY NOTHING. (Predestined help - or reward or punishment - for predestined deeds just is theater.)

This point perhaps is the pinnacle in all Islam's ability to flee even from facts they see themselves, its inability to face hard facts even when they see them, and its ability and willingness to be blind and to overlook even the strongest facts and proofs for that things are very wrong in the Quran and thus with Muhammad and in Islam. Central claims which cannot be true, are accepted in pure superstition.

"Our fathers told us and our neighbors and mullahs tell us this is true, and then it must be true". (Taqlid is normal among Muslims,)

"We built our lives on this belief - it has to be true because it is too difficult for me to face the alternative".

You meet this lack of moral backbone and the ability in Islam and in Muslims to overlook or explain away even the strongest facts, at every point in the Quran where there are mistakes, contradictions or other proofs for that something is wrong in the Quran, and thus with Muhammad and with his religion - proofs they are unable to face for that Islam as told in the Quran is not a religion, but a superstition.

In a way this does not surprise us - such things are typical for strong believers in any religion, and Muslims simply are very typical concerning this. ##############What is more difficult to understand, is that in spite of that there are so very many points - perhaps 3ooo+ in a relatively small book - which must be "explained" in spite of that the book itself declares that its texts are easy to understand, and are to be understood literary, and all the same Muslims do not even start asking questions about what this signify or means!

Total predestination for Allah and even a smithereens of free will for man are two claims which are mutually prohibiting/excluding each other. Maximum one of them can be true. The claim is logical and scientific nonsense.

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021 7/34c: "- - - not an hour can they (humans*) cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation)." Predestination is absolute - man can do exactly nothing. This means that man’s claimed free will is an illusion. But it also means that war and battles are not dangerous - you do not die until your time is out, but then you die either you are in the midst of a hard battle, working in your fields, or sleeping in your bed. A very nice religion for a robber baron and for a warlord - wrong of course, which is easy to prove nowadays with statistics, but naive people even today may believe in it. But also see 7/34a above: Have prayers any meaning at all in Islam, when prayers can change nothing?

###022 7/99a: "- - - the Plan of Allah - - -". This refers to Allah's predestined running of the world(s) and the heaven(s - like Islam insists) and perhaps also Hell. It is a rigid plan with no room for changes: Allah has decided everything long ago, and that is it - nothing and nobody can change anything in it - total predestination (which in case means absolutely no room for any free will - partly like some Muslims try to explain it away with or total. And in a way worse and never - never - mentioned by Muslims: Also there is no room for prayers in spite of what the Quran insists - if absolutely nothing can change the predestined Plan of Allah, also prayers can change nothing, and is just a waste of time and effort, and similar go for punishment and reward - good deeds and f.x. pilgrimages can have no effect, as nothing can change Allah's Plan). You meet this Plan many places in the Quran.

023 7/183: "My scheme is strong (and unfailing) - - -". Allah has already decided everything in his Plan - predestination has locked anything that is going to happen.

***024 7/185c: "- - - their (humans' - in this case non-Muslims*) term - - -". The word "term" in the Quran mostly is used as a word for when something is coming to an end according to the predestined Plan of Allah - here the end of their lives. Predestination is a heavy fact in Islam, and you have to be a blindly believing or not thinking Muslim to be able not to see the impossibility in combining predestination - the total predestination of the Quran - with the claim that man has free will and also that prayers to Allah has any merit if everything already is predestined.

####025 9/51a: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Allah decides everything. The predestination - but where then is the claimed free will of man which justifies Allah's punishments for sins? - not even Islam is able to explain that. Islam even admits it is not possible to explain it, but adds lamely that it all the same must be true, because Allah says so in the Quran(!!) (A6/141, 6/143 in English 2008 edition). The ultimate defeat for the brain vs. blind belief.

And where is the effect of prayers in Islam, if Allah already has predestined what is going to happen, like the Quran tells he always do?

026 9/51b: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Predestination: To do battle is not more deadly than sleeping in your bed, as Allah already has decided your hour of death. Naïve and uneducated people and religious fanatics may really believe this - in those cases it is one terrific piece of pep talk for not being afraid of doing battle.

####027 9/51ca: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Allah decides everything. The predestination - - - and totally incompatible with the Bible, even though Yahweh sometimes directs the future.

028 9/85a "Allah's Plan - - -". Allah predestines everything, and he does it according to his Plan - a plan nobody and nothing can change. But how can he then punish man for sins Allah himself has planned and forced man to do? - Full predestination means no free will for man, no matter what the Quran claims - even Islam has given in explaining how both can be possible (A6/141) - and then: How can Allah punish for what man is forced to do? Also: Has prayer any meaning when Allah already has decided the outcome?

029 10/49c: “To every people is a term (a date of ending*) appointed: when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation)”. No matter what humans do, Allah is it who decides and predestines. Thus f.x. prayers will be in vain - nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan. And what about forgiving? - this means a change of Allah's Plan for you.

###030 10/64b: “- - - in the life of the Present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah”. What Allah decides is final - pure predestination. And many things he decides early – f.x. the day of your death and whether you will end in Hell or Heaven is (according to Hadiths) decided 5 months before you are born. And remember: According to the Quran Allah's predestined Plan is impossible to change by anyone or anything. Good or bad deeds, prayers, pilgrimage, or whatever (f.x. forgiving) - nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan, according to the Quran.

##031 10/64c: “- - - in the life of the Present and in the Hereafter, no change can there be in the Words of Allah.” For one thing this sentence has serious effect for the ones who say that predestination in the Quran, is not real predestination – when Allah has said/thought/written something, no free will of man can change anything - - - which means there is no free will, and things are predestined as sure as carved in stone. But more relevant just here is that there were many and sometimes large changes in Allah’s words after this “revelation” in 621 AD, and also just one year later Muhammad/Allah(?) started to change the religion totally and fundamentally (from peace to a war religion). Thus this claim is contradicted by the changes in the Quran and in the religion (from quite peaceful to a full-fledged war religion) from around 622 - 624 AD. Islam simply was very much transformed - from peace to thieving/looting, extortion, suppression, rape, slave taking, and blood.

####The main change was that the entire religion was changed from something peaceful, to a religion of hate, suppression, inhumanities and blood. But there were a lot of other changes in what Allah (?) had said – all the contradictions which came because the religion was changed, and things had to be adjusted for, and all the abrogations (sorry substitutions according to some Muslims – another, but nicer, name for just the same) which became necessary. So many abrogations, that they demanded explanations:

  1. 2/106: “None of our revelations do We (Allah*) abrogate or cause to be forgotten, But We substitute something better or similar”. Well, this is a contradiction – and an abrogation – in itself. This actually is one of the verses behind the use of abrogations in Islam. It may also be one of the reasons – may be the main reason – why abrogated and thus invalid verses (like 2/256: "Let there be no compulsion in religion") were included by Caliph Uthman in the Quran originally – they should not be abrogated in the meaning that they should be forgotten. But abrogations are absolutely necessary in Islam, because there are so many contradictions, that the situation would be impossible unless they could be eliminated by making a number of them invalid. Se separate chapter about abrogation in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran". NB: Surah 2 from which this verse is taken “arrived” in 622-624 AD. Allah’s words from 621 AD had to be dismissed rather quickly and on a large scale – the change to a robber baron and war religion had started.
  2. 16/101: “When We (Allah*) substitute one revelation for another - - -.” Yes, to “substitute” definitely sounds better than to “abrogate” – but the only difference is that “substitute” is daily English (though perhaps from Latin originally), whereas “abrogate” is more pure Latin. The meaning in this case is just the same. And this verse proves that Allah had to start “substituting” his proud words from 621 AD, maximum one – 1 – year later, because surah 16 is from ca. 622 AD. Allah’s (?) words are for the eternity – but not for long eternities when it is a tempting idea to start stealing and robbing, and it may be wise to have a war religion instead of a peaceful one. But one question: Was it Allah who found he had made a mistake by starting a peaceful religion? - or was is Muhammad who wanted warriors and needed a more warlike teaching which caused the marked change in Islam after 622 AD?

10/64 also totally abrogates the claim about free will for man, as it tells Allah's predestination cannot be changed. And not to forget: If Allah's predestined Plan is unchangeable like the Quran flatly states many places, also prayers are meaningless - they will have no effect on the predestined Plan.

The ironic fact is that this strong statement is proved wrong by even the Quran: There like said were many and deep changes "in the words of Allah" - changes necessary to change Islam from a quite peaceful religion before the flight to Medina in 622 AD, to a full religion of war and dishonesty (included stealing, etc.) from shortly after the arrival in Medina on.

#######As ironic: Both the sentence that there can be no change in Allah's words, and the changed words, rules, etc. from Medina today are central and strong points in Islam.

032 11/3e: "- - - for a term appointed - - -". Predestination - Allah has appointed terms and times for everything according to the Quran.

#033 11/12f: "It is Allah that arranged all affairs!" Once more: It is Allah who decides and predestines everything - the famous predestination many Muslims deny is more than partly, because if Allah decides everything, it is highly immoral to punish man for his claimed sins, and also the claimed free will of man is an impossibility in case. But many places like here the Quran are 100% categorical: It is Allah who decides and arranges all things!

034 11/20a: "They (opponents to Islam*) will in no wise frustrate (His (Allah's*) design on earth - - -". Once again the predestination: None can change Allah's predestined plans. But it is not true unless Allah exists and is a top god.

035 11/20b: "- - - (His (Allah's*) design) on earth - - -". Only fantasy unless Allah exists and is a being with supernatural powers - good or bad.

036 11/56c: "There is not a moving creature, but He (Allah*) hath grasp in its forelock". = Allah directs it = the predestination once more: Allah decides everything. (To hold the forelocks is an Arab expression for that the one grasped has to obey what you decide. The universal god often uses Arab references, and like here references only Arabs understand if they are not explained. There often are not similar references from other parts of the world - strange for a universal god who has had thousands of prophets all over the world during thousands of years according to the Quran - - - and mostly only Arab references.)

037 11/107d: "- - - (Allah*) is the (sure) Accomplisher of what He planneth". = Nothing can change Allah's predestined plan. (But why then f.x. pray to Allah when you have problems - it will change nothing, as nothing can change his predestination? And why go to a doctor if Allah already has decided how your illness will end?)

038 11/119b: "- - - for this He (Allah*) created them". The Quran tells different places that Allah created some for Hell and some for Paradise, and this decision Allah made 5 months before you were born according to Hadiths, cannot be changed - no matter what you want or wish or pray or do you in reality have no chance against his decisions and predestination. Some difference from the Bible and a lot of other religions.

039 11/123c: "- - - and to Him (Allah*) goeth back every affair (for decision) - - -". = Allah decides everything. We are back to the "fact" of total predestination - "everything" - a "fact" many Muslims deny or try to explain away, as it means Allah is highly immoral when ha punishes someone for bad deeds he himself has decided they should do.

Also remember that Allah's total predestination is one more strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

040 12/21f: "And Allah hath full power and control over His (Allah's*) affairs - - -". Allah decides everything, and nothing can change his Plan. Full predestination. Often claimed, never proved.

041 14/10g: "- - - respite for a time appointed!" The predestination again - Allah has decided, and nothing can change his Plan.

042 15/5: “Neither can a people anticipate its term (date when its luck or life runs out - their day of death*), nor delay it”. No matter what people do, they cannot foresee or influence their predestined date of death. Clear predestination - - - except what about self murderers - they decide when to die themselves(?) Another point: As you see it is not dangerous to go on raids or into battle - you will not die until the time Allah has predestined. (Believe it if you are able to - possible only if you know nothing about f.x. probability or statistical proofs.

043 15/84: "- - - to no avail to them was all that they did - - -". Nobody can evade Allah's predestination. At least not according to the Quran.

044 16/1b: "(Inevitable) commeth (to pass) the Command of Allah - - -". It is inevitable only if:

  1. If Allah exists - but with all which is wrong in the Quran also this may be wrong (Muhammad after all just took over a pagan god, al-Lah, and claimed he was not pagan.
  2. If Allah in case he exists and is a major god, is correctly described in the Quran - again; with all which is wrong in the Quran, there might be mistakes also here, especially as all the mistakes makes it clear that the book and hence the description is not made by a god, and perhaps even more so as Allah was a peaceful god as long as Muhammad was in Mecca, but became a war god when Muhammad started to gain power and needed warriors in Medina. The change in the god in 622 - 624 AD is very striking, but never mentioned by Muslims or Islam. As the surahs from Mecca - some 85-90 - and the ones from Medina - some 22-28 (there are some one does not know the age of, though one believe one knows from which period) are mixed helter-skelter in the Quran, it is a bit difficult for readers who do not know the book well, to see this. But if you first read the surahs from Mecca, and then the ones from Medina separately, it is very easy to see this change from a peaceful to a war religion. And the point here is: An eternal god cannot change that much in just 1-2 years from Muhammad's arrival in Medina. At least one of the descriptions has to be wrong. Which of the descriptions - if any - is correct? Mecca and peaceful? - or Medina and dishonesty and blood, stealing and terror?
  3. If the Quran's claims about total predestination are correct (but in that case man has no free will, no matter what the Quran says about this - there are some of the immaterial laws which are impossible to break even for omnipotent gods), then something is very wrong in the Quran.

045 16/35f: "- - - a Clear Message". The message in the Quran may be clear in some ways - the message "believe blindly in one god and obey Muhammad" - though not in others (like predestination contra free will, or its many mistakes and contradictions, etc.). But so what? - also Muhammad's message to the peace delegation from Khaybar was a clear message: "I guarantee you a safe return" - - - but it was not true he murdered them. The main thing here - and especially so as it is the foundation under a religion - is that the message is not a true one, as it is not from any god and full of mistaken facts, contradictions, etc. No god made such and so many errors like in the Quran.

BUT THERE IS ONE EXTREMELY ESSENTIAL POINT HERE. EVEN IF THE MAKER OF THE QURAN HAS NOT MANAGED TO BE CLEAR AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND ALWAYS, THIS VERY CLEARLY HAS BEEN HIS INTENTION. HE HAS NOT INTENDED THAT HIS TEXTS SHOULD CONSIST OF HIDDEN MEANINGS, HIDDEN ALLEGORIES, METAPHORS, PARABLES, ETC. - WHEN HE USED SUCH ONES, HE INFORMED ABOUT IT AND/OR EXPLAINED THE MEANING. IT IS VERY CLEAR FROM MANY VERSES IN THE QURAN THAT THE TEXTS ARE INTENDED TO BE CLEAR AND EASY AND TO BE UNDERSTOOD LITERALLY. THEREFORE, WHEN ISLAM AND MUSLIMS TRY TO EXPLAIN AWAY MISTAKES, ERRORS, BAD POINTS, ETC. BY CLAIMING IT IS F.X. AN ALLEGORY, THIS CLAIM AND THIS EXPLANATION IS WRONG AND INVALID.

046 16/50b: "- - - and they (all living beings and angels*) do all that they are commanded". Allah decides literally absolutely everything for everyone and everything everywhere. Predestination. But is the sentence true?

047 16/61e: "- - - when their (people's*) (predestined*) Term expires, they would not be able to delay (the punishment) for a single hour - - -". Allah's predestinations are absolute - nothing can change it. (Then why f.x. pray to Allah when in difficulties? - Allah already has decided what is going to happen, and nothing can change his decisions.) Also remember this when Islam talks about free will for man - see 3/154 and 14/22b above.

048 16/101d: "(When Muhammad abrogates - makes invalid - older verses with new ones*) They (non-Muslims*) say - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones).

Besides: How come that an omniscient god did not make perfect rules at once, but had to abrogate and change them. Did he have to try and fail? Or was he undecided and f.x. found that some of his early rules and demands were too human and too little harsh and bloody? And there is the problem with free will for man (and perhaps for all animals - at least the primates?)If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different. And multiply even a tiny change with some billion people through the centuries, and many and also big things will be changed.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "Butterfly Effect" and the "Domino Effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
  5. The so-called "Domino Effect": Any change will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change - - - and so on forever. Also each cause may cause one or more or many changes. And: The Butterfly Effect only may happen, whereas the Domino Effect is unavoidable and inexorable - a main reason why if you in a battle is killed 5 meters from or 5 minutes later than where and when Allah has predestined - not to mention if you die when tilling your fields 50 miles off - unavoidably the entire future of the world is changed. Perhaps not much changed, but like said; multiply it with many billion people through the centuries, and the world is totally changed. And full clairvoyance of course totally impossible - except in occultism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, 7/34a, and 14/22b above.

049 17/13b: "Every man's fate - - -". In just this case it is likely Muhammad has forgotten about predestination, and refers to the claimed list of punishable sins versus good deeds, which he claimed would decide whether you will end in Paradise or Hell. He never even tried to explain how it was possible to combine full predestination with free will - and thus fair punishment for sins - for man, and Islam today admits they are unable to explain it. "But it must all the same be true, because it is said so in the Quran", is the unbelievable "explanation" (A6/141).

050 17/58c: "- - - the (eternal) Record - - -" = in this case Allah's Plan. With other words: Allah has predestined and put into his book, and what is written there, is going to happen - no-one can change Allah's predestination and Plan. BUT WHY DOES AN OMNISCIENT GOD NEED A RECORD?

051 17/99g: "- - - He (Allah*) has decreed a term appointed - - -". The predestination once more: Allah has decided a fixed time for it - and no-one can change his Plan, according to the Quran. PS: What then about free will for man?

052 18/27f: "- - - none can change His (Allah's*) words - - -". This in reality refers to Allah's claimed predestination and Plan. Allah predestines absolutely everything, and does so according to a Plan he has, and nothing can change that plan . If this is true, man has no free will, and Allah in case is extremely unjust and sadistic to punish humans for things he has forced them to do - - - and it also is meaningless to pray to Allah for help, because his predestinations and his Plan nothing and nobody can change. (Free will for humans one tries to explain with that it must be true anyhow, as Allah says so in the Quran. Why it anyhow pays to pray to Allah when nothing can change his predestined Plan anyhow, we have never seen explained.)

053 18/58f: "- - - appointed time - - -". = Predestination. This is one more 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Yahweh can decide that things are going to happen, and make it happen. But predestination like Allah uses 100% according to the Quran, does not at all exist.

054 18/59b: “- - - We (Allah*) fixed an appointed time for their destruction”. Predestination. Humans may do this or that, but Allah decides.

055 18/59c: "- - - appointed time - - -". = Predestination. This is one more 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Yahweh can decide that things are going to happen, and make it happen. But predestination like Allah uses 100% according to the Quran, does not at all exist.

056 19/71d: "- - - a Decree which must be accomplished". The predestination - What Allah has decided must happen, because his Plan cannot be changed by anyone or anything.

057 19/84d: "- - - We (Allah*) but count out to them (non-Muslims*) a (limited) number (of days)". Once more the predestination - Allah has decided how long - or short - they are to live (according to Hadiths he does so 5 months before you are born, and at the same time he decides if you are going to end in Heaven or Hell). And if they live a good life; remember that this only is for a short time, and sooth yourself: They will be strictly punished in the next life.

058 20/129a: “Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy (Muslims‘*) Lord (Allah*), (their punishment) must necessarily have come; but there is a Term appointed (for respite)”. Allah has decided the time (according to his Plan), and cannot change it - may be to give the culprits a chance to become Muslims, but other places the Quran tells Allah makes it hard or impossible for some non-Muslims to find the way to Allah. Predestination.

059 20/129b: "- - - a term appointed - - -". Predestination again. Allah predestines every detail in your and everybody's life - included for all animals and all inanimate existence. And the predestination is not possible to change - - - which means no free will for man, no effect of prayer, forgiving not possible, etc.

060 21/40b: "- - - nor will they (non-Muslims*) (then) get respite". Predestination - Allah decides everything, and nothing can change his predestined Plan. Or may be simply a threat - see 3/77b above.

061 21/76b: “We (Allah*) listened to his (Noah’s*) (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress (= Allah saved Noah’s family from the flood*)”. But:

11/43: “- - - and the son (of Noah*) was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.” Noah just had 3 sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth – 1. Mos. 7/13, and not contradicted by the Quran – and he lost one of them. In addition it is clear from another place in the Quran that also his wife ended in Hell. That is not “saved Noah’s family”. (In the Bible Noah lost no son and his wife was not condemned to Hell.)

2 solid contradictions compared to the Bible. Besides: As the Quran is not from a god with all its mistakes, etc., the only source for information about Noah is the Bible. From where then did Muhammad get his claimed information not in the Bible? Similar claim in 37/76.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

But one really serious point: The Quran hers says that "“We (Allah*) listened to his (Noah’s*) (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress" = Allah delivered Noah from distress because Noah prayed for it. Noah was delivered from distress not because that was part of Allah's Plan, but because of Noah's prayer. As it was not part of Allah's Plan, this means that Noah's prayer changed Allah's Plan, something which according to many points in the Quran "nobody and nothing can do".

And remember here that even a small change in life or nature or anything, changes the entire future. Sometime it changes only minor details, other times much. This prayer from Noah in case changed the entire future of the humanity and the world. In this case there only were two things Allah could do: Save Noah and his family, or not save them. As the Quran states that Allah saved them because of Noah's prayers, this means that this was not a part of Allah's Plan. Thus the only alternative is that Allah's Plan was a future earth without humans, or with creating a new human race. This is a change so big, that it made any fixed and unchangeable Plan entirely invalid. At best Allah had to make a totally new one, at worst he has a not working old plan.

THE SAME WILL TO A LARGER OR SMALLER DEGREE BE THE CASE BECAUSE OF EACH AND EVERY DEVIATION FROM ANY FIXED AND PREDESTINED PLAN. MICROSCOPIC OR BIG, ANY CHANGE WILL CHANGE THE ENTIRE FUTURE AND MAKE ANY FIXED, UNCHANGEABLE PLAN INVALID. THIS EVEN MORE SO AS EVEN SMALL CHANGES ACCUMULATE THE EFFECTS AND MAY GIVE MACRO EFFECTS. THE UNAVOIDABLE DOMINO EFFECT + THE POSSIBLE BUTTERFLY EFFECT + THE EFFECT BECAUSE DIFFERENT EFFECTS MAY COMBINE.

SO MUCH FOR THE LOGIC AND THE REALISM BEHIND THE CLAIMS THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE F.X. FORGIVING, EFFECT OF PRAYER, OR FREE WILL FOR MAN WITH FULL PREDESTINATION BY ALLAH. (ONLY POSSIBLE IN OCCULTISM, mysticism, MADE UP LEGENDS, AND FAIRY TALES.)

062 22/10a: "- - - the deeds which thy hands sent forth - - -". = Your good and bad deeds in life - here like many other places in the Quran your deeds are claimed to be decided from your free will, in spite of all the clear statements about Allah's predestination of absolutely everything.

063 22/14h: "- - - for Allah carries out all that He plans". Allah plans and no-one can change his plans. Predestination is central in the Quran, and especially in the later (chronologically) surahs (which may have to do with Muhammad's need for warriors. But if full predestination is true - like the Quran stresses several places - it kills several other central points in Islam, included 2 or 3 of its pillars, as they become meaningless or irrelevant or without value by the claimed "fact" that nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan.

064 22/14i: "- - - for Allah carries out all that He plans". The old fact: This will depend on if he really exists, and on what power he in case in reality has.

065 22/18h: "- - - for Allah carries out all He wills". Predestination and Allah's Plan which no-one can change. Similar to 22/14d above. Also see 3/154 and 14/22b above. (How can he then blame and punish - or reward humans? It actually is dishonesty if a person does what Allah has predestined, and then is punished or rewarded for what they did. Oh, we know the Quran talks like predestination and free will for man is possible to combine - a claim necessary for Muhammad - but that is pure mysticism, dishonesty, and impossible also for a god.)

066 22/32c: "- - - such honor (to sacrifice animals*) should come truly (definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim*) from the piety of heart". The sacrifices are to prove this piety of heart - but how come that an omniscient god needs the slaughtering of animals to believe you?

Another fact is that even if man had only a tenth of 1% free will, so that he himself could decide about doing this, after not much time the laws of chaos had destroyed both Allah's precognition and his predestinations - just ask f.x. any statistician or scientist. Free will for man (and f.x. any effect of prayer or forgiving) combined with full predestination by Allah, only is possible in occultism, mysticism, made up legends, fairy tales, etc. - this no matter what the Quran or Islam claims.

067 22/33c: "- - - for a time appointed - - -". Predestination again. Many Muslims say there is not full predestination in the Quran (because then man has no free will, and Allah is immoral and unjust when he rewards and even worse when he punishes for deeds you have done), even though they never explain what there then is. They should read the Quran - there is no doubt whatsoever about that Allah decides every detail about everything - - - and thus that free will for man (or animals) is an impossibility.

068 22/76b: “- - - to Allah go back all questions (for decision).” It is Allah who decides everything = full predestination - how can he then judge non-Muslims and bad Muslims to Hell for being forced/led to do what they believed they decided themselves, but which in reality were Allah’s decisions? (This is the reason why many Muslims try to explain away predestination.)

069 23/43: ”No people can hasten their term (time of ending*) nor can they delay it”. Predestination. No matter what they do and how much free will they use – they can do nothing but what is foretold in Allah’s predestination - his Plan. Is there then any free will for man? Simply impossible.

070 24/38b: "- - - Allah may reward them (good Muslims*) according to the best of their deeds - - -". Everything also depends on if Allah exists and if he in case has supernatural power (and preferably not dark power). But how can Allah reward without making changes in his predestined Plan? - a plan nobody and nothing can change according to several points in the Quran.

071 24/57a: "Never think thou that the Unbelievers are going to frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth - - -". The Quran makes it very clear many places the Allah predestines absolutely everything, that the predestinations are according to his Plan, and that nobody or nothing can change his Plan (by the way: Why then spill time and energy on praying to him for help or a better future, if everything is predestined already and nothing can change his Plan?).

It also is very clear that the goal is total world dominance.

072 24/57b: "- - - (Allah's Plan) - - -". According to many places in the Quran, Allah predestines absolutely everything in this world - it was the only world Muhammad knew about (except that he claimed there were 6 more - according to Hadiths they lay underneath the pancake Earth). This predestination is absolute, and nobody and nothing can change anything. Everything also is predestined long time before - the time of your death and whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven (!) are f.x. predestined when a fetus is 4 months old - 5 months before it is born - according to Hadiths. And everything is predestined in accordance with Allah's Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. (What about free will for man or effect of prayers or forgiving? - or pilgrimage?)

073 27/57b: "- - - except his (Lot's*) wife; her We (Allah*) destined to be of those who lagged behind." Clear - and for the wife serious - predestination. Remember cases like this when you meet Muslims claiming there in reality is no predestination or that there is no real predestination, or similar. (Predestination makes it very immoral for Allah to punish people for bad deeds - or lack of good ones. If a god first predestines someone to do or not do something, and then punishes - or sends to Hell - this person because of the deeds, this god has a strange moral code.)

074 28/3d: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

075 28/68c: (A28/74): “Thy Lord (Allah*) does create and choose as He pleases: no choice have they (humans*) (in the matter) - - -.” A clear message and in full compliance to Allah’s power of predestination. But predestination collides with man’s presumed (partly? according to some Muslims) free will (predestination and free will - even partly - is mutually excluding each other. The combination of the two is even theoretically impossible, and Muslims go to a lot of pain to reduce both (“not real predestination” and “partly free will”) to make space for a little of both, but no matter: It still is even theoretically impossible to combine them - - - except in religious wishful thinking. Can that be the reason why this explanation is preferred by many Muslims (Zamakhshari, etc.): “(Allah) chooses (for mankind) whatever is best for them.” Then the problem of predestination is omitted – and both translations are possible from the Arab text “ma kana lahum al-khiyarah”. (Al-khiyarah or khirah (depending on what vowels you place there) = “choice” or “freedom to choose”). Just you choose - as mentioned a couple of times the texts in the Quran often far from is "clear and easy to understand".

076 28/82c: "It indeed is Allah Who enlarges the provision or restricts it - - -". One of the Quran's MANY never proved claims. This is the Quran's standard explanation for why non-Muslims and bad Muslims often have a better life than good Muslims: Allah in his unfathomable wisdom has decided it like this - the predestination again. But sooth yourself; you will come out best in the next life. Nothing of this is ever proved, but that does not matter, as long as people believe it. And as this was Muhammad's standard explanation, it was - and is - nice to have it "confirmed" by others like her (and some other places).

077 29/5c: ”- - - for the Term (appointed) by Allah is surely coming - - -.” Predestination - Allah decides.

#####078 29/22a: “Not on earth nor in heaven will ye be able (fleeing) to frustrate (His Plan) - - -“. Predestination. No-one can change what Allah has destined in his Plan. What then about the effect of prayers? - and what about free will for man? - not to mention: What then about man's moral responsibility for his words and deeds? - and not to forget: What about forgiving (which means Allah will have to change his original Plan on that point)? At least something is wrong.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving and for free will for man in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

079 30/4b: "With Allah is the decision, in the Past and in the Future - - -". Allah decides everything - predestination. (As for the number of years in this case, see 30/2-4 just above).

080 30/8c: "- - - for a term appointed - - -". Predestination - which many Muslims claims do not really exist or is not really real predestination, because if Allah predestines the life of humans, it f.x. is most unjust and immoral to punish man for what sins he makes. But there is no doubt about full predestination in the Quran - it is stressed many times, and more in the Medina than in the Mecca period - in Medina Muhammad needed warriors not too reluctant to fight and to die.

081 31/22f: "- - - with Allah rests the End and Decision of (all) affairs". There is no doubt when claiming that man has free will, the Quran is wrong: Allah decides all things - the predestination. (Actually this is said many places and in many ways throughout the Quran). If Allah decides all things, man has no free will. But how fair, how good, and how benevolent is Allah then when he punishes man for sins Allah has decided he shall make? And what is the effect of prayers if everything is predestined - included your prayer?

Either this or predestination is wrong. There is no way to combine the two statements - not even for an omnipotent god. (In the non-material realms of existence, there are things impossible also for gods.)

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

082 33/16b: “Running away will not profit you, if you are running away from death or slaughter; and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy”. Wrong. It is very easy to prove by means of statistics, that if you get away from a battle, your chances for being alive one year later, greatly improve. Any god had known – but Muhammad did not know statistics. (Actually the claim also is strongly contra-intuitive and against common sense – he had to know they were lies even if he knew no statistics, but predestination was good propaganda for getting more warriors and more ferocious warriors. Also see 3/154 below).

Another fact: Even a short piece of time + another place of death are divergences from Allah's omniscient previous predestination and knowledge. The laws of chaos would make such divergences felt and make Allah's total precognition invalid + disturb and change at least details in his Plan.

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###083 33/16c: “Running away will not profit you (Muslim warriors*), if ye are running away from death or slaughter, and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy”. Well, this proves two things: It is not possible to escape predestination - no matter what Islam tries to tell you today that "it is not real predestination" (with full predestination man has no free will, and it is immoral by Allah to punish for sins or reward for good deeds) - and that in spite of the Quran, you at least can change your destination with “a brief respite“. A respite that at least has to be for some hours or days - if not there had been newly-dead frightened warriors laying around the nearest tens and more kilometers from some battlefields (because of their predestined hour or minute of death) - dead for no obvious reasons after fleeing from battle.

This in addition to that modern statistical science long since has proved this verse nonsense. This even more so as even if they had got "no more than a brief (respite)", the laws of chaos then had changed the future - and Allah's precognition was gone.

But Muhammad got many and terrific, but naïve warriors - - - and was so intelligent that he had to know he was lying.

And this goes for each and every time he said things like this.

Another fact is that even if a man died at the same time whether he tilled his garden of fought in a battle, the very fact that he died another place, would change the future. And if he died a little later if he fled from a battle, the time factor would add to that change. Both are scientific facts the Quran "overlooks".

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084 33/16d: “Running away will not profit you (humans/Muslims*), if ye are running away from death and slaughter; and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy.” This is one of the really clear declarations: Go to war for Allah and Muhammad (and his successors), because you will not die until your time is up anyhow – and when it is up, you will die no matter. (It is likely this was the main reason behind Muhammad's strong claims about predestination, and also for the fact that he seems to have put more stress on predestination in later years.

085 33/16e: “Running away will not profit you (humans/Muslims*), if ye are running away from death and slaughter; and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy.” This is one more 100% proof for that something is wrong: Even if it had been true that they would be given only a brief respite, the laws of chaos had changed the future because of that respite, and thus changed Allah's claimed unchangeable Plan - and made his precognition invalid.

086 35/4d: "- - - to Allah go back for decision all affairs". Allah decides and predestines everything. Where then is man's free will? Those two are not possible to combine, in spite of Islam's not only unproved, but unexplained and unexplainable claims (A6/141 - English 2008 edition 6/143: "- - - the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and therefore the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on the one side, and man's free will on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it (!!*), seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran - a book full of mistakes, etc.*) both must be true". Unbelievable naivety).

087 35/11g: "(The length of your life*) is in a Decree (ordained)". Predestination is very clear in the Quran, even if many Muslims try to tell it "is not really predestination", because full predestination like the Quran very clearly states many places, means man is not the one guilty for the sins he commits, and Allah is highly unjust punishing anybody for sins - or rewards good deeds. Full predestination also means that man has no free will - there are combinations even gods cannot make.

088 35/13c: "- - - (the sun and the moon*) each one runs its course for a term appointed". Predestination once more - even for the sun and the moon.

089 35/41i: "(Allah is*) Oft-Forgiving". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god, neither of which is anything but claims.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above. Allah can neither forgive nor accept prayers if full predestination is true like the Quran states - it would mean changes in his predestined Plan "which nobody and nothing can change".

090 35/45e: “- - - when their term expires - - -“. Allah has set terms of time - predestination - and nothing can change his predestinations, his Plan.

091 39/42c: ”- - - those on whom He (Allah*) has passed the decree of death - - -.” Allah decides - predestination.

092 39/51d: "- - - and they ("wrongdoers"*) will never be able to frustrate (our (Allah's*) Plan)". The predestination again: Allah decides everything and nothing can change his decisions and Plan.

093 39/51e: "- - - (our (Allah's*) Plan) - - -". Allah has made a Plan for everything which is going to happen in all the future, and he predestines everything according to this Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. If this is true, out of the window goes even the smallest morsel of man's claimed free will - - - and in comes a question Islam is not able to meet: How can Allah punish - and reward - humans for their deeds if he himself has predestined everything? Islam tries to cover this problem by means of mysticism ("partly free will" which the laws of chaos makes as destroying for predestination and precognition as full free will - or: "it is just that humans cannot understand how the combination of Allah's deciding of everything and man's free will is possible" - but in the immaterial parts of existence there are things impossible even for an omnipotent god), but the combination simply is not possible.

094 39/62b: "- - - He (Allah*) is the Guardian and disposer of all affairs." Allah decides everything - the predestination. The claim is never proved, though.

095 42/14c: "- - - a Term appointed - - -". Here predestination surfaces again.

096 42/30b: “Whatever misfortune happens to you, is because of things your hands have wrought - - -”. Please compare this to some of the other verses quoted in this chapter and other places (f.x. 42/31 below) and tell us: Is there honesty in this kind of Muslim argumentation? Because the Quran clearly tells many places that Allah decides everything, and nothing can change his predestinations. You f.x. cannot change your destiny by staying away from battle.

Or is the main thing to cling to what they want to believe? - and rather not find out if they are wrong until in the possible next world, when it may be too late not to end up in some real religion’s Hell?

(At least 10 contradictions in the Quran.)

097 42/31a: "Nor can ye (humans*) frustrate (aught) - - -". - because Allah decides everything. The predestination once more.

098 42/31b: "Nor can ye (humans*) frustrate (aught) - - -". See this sentence together with "- - - it is because of the things your hands wrought - - -" in 42/30 above.
In clear words: "The bad things you do, is your own fault - but you cannot change anything Allah has predestined". And Allah as you know from the Quran has predestined every detail you say and do throughout your life.

Do you see the irony? Do you see the contradiction? Do you see the hopeless logic? And do you see the insult, slander, and heresy in blaming such a piece of literature on a god?

099 42/49f: "(Allah creates*) - - - according to His Will (and Plan) - - -". Allah decides and plans - the predestination once more.

100 42/50a: "- - - He (Allah*) leaves barren whom He will - - -". Allah decides and predestines everything in his unfathomable wisdom.

#####101 42/50e: (A42/52 - English 2008 edition A42/51): "The purport of this passage is a re-affirmation of the fact that whatever happens to man is an outcome of Allah's unfathomable will - - -". The total predestination confirmed. Where then is man's claimed free will? - with total predestination it does not exist.

And: How can punishment and reward be explained morally when Allah predestines EVERYTHING?

102 43/79: "But it is We (Allah*) who settles things." = It is Allah who decides anything - the predestinations according to his Plan no-one can change.

103 46/32b: "- - - cannot frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth - - -". The predestination again - what Allah has planned and decided, nobody and nothing can change (f.x. prayers, forgiving, free will?).

104 54/3b: “- - - every matter has its appointed time.” Predestination - Allah has appointed a time for each and every thing to happen.

105 57/5c: "- - - all affairs are referred back to Him (Allah*)". = In the end of all cases it in reality is Allah who decides everything - the in the Quran well known predestination; everything have to be run by "Allah's Plan" which nothing and nobody can change.

##106 57/22c: “No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls (minds*) but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) brings it into existence - - -.” In more plain words: Nothing can happen unless in accordance with predestination according to Islam - with what Allah has decided and written down on beforehand. But this contradicts each and every verse saying man has free will and also that man is to blame when he does something wrong. And what about accidents and natural catastrophes – are they planned and executed – like Calvin by the drawer/artist in Calvin and Hobbs – by a benevolent, good god? Not to mention: What about prayers? - if everything is predestined long before and in accordance with a Plan nobody and nothing can change, also prayers can change nothing and are in case meaningless in Islam.

(At least 10 contradictions).

107 57/22e: "No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence: that (predestination*) is truly easy for Allah". Many Muslims try to explain away the predestination - that it "is not really predestination" or "it is not full predestination" or something like that. The reason is that if Allah predestines everything like the Quran clearly states, he is unjust when he rewards or punishes - or for that case rewards - people for what they do. Therefore Muslims need - and Muhammad needed - free will for man so that man can be blamed for things himself. But free will for man is impossible to combine with full predestination , and thus you meet these claims about "not real predestination", etc. and "partly free will", etc. But this verse (and many others) leaves no doubt about that everything is predestined by Allah, and that predestination is easy for Allah. (NB: Also partly - even a tiny part - free will for man makes predestination and also precognition from difficult to (mainly) impossible - the laws of chaos sees to that.

108 58/10c: "- - - but he (the Devil*) cannot harm them (people/Muslims*) in the least (= make them sin*), except as Allah permits - - -". But how then can Allah punish man for sins Allah has permitted - even via the Devil - (and according to other verses in the Quran even decided by predestination)??

109 63/11b: "- - - the time appointed (for it) - - -". Predestination once more - and as normal in the Quran it is claimed to be impossible to change Allah's predestination. Then why bother to try? - and why f.x. pray for betterment or forgiving?

##110 68/28c: "Why not glorify (Allah)?". (A68/14): "This is obviously a reference to their (non-Muslims'*) failure to realize that nothing can come about unless the Almighty (Allah*) so wills". We include this as a sample of modern Islam's point of view on Allah deciding everything - he predestines absolutely everything according to the Quran even today - contra the Quran's and Islam's claims about man's free will (or partly free will as some Muslims try to explain away the impossibility with - but if Allah decides everything "partly free will" is as meaningless as free will). As you see also modern Islam claims that Allah decides everything - - - but also tries to explain that all the same man has free will, even if they admits it is impossible to understand how it can be combined with full predestination by Allah (see A6/141 - comment to verse 6/149 above). To combine full predestination for Allah with even a little free will for man, is an impossibility. Worse: To combine even a part of 1% free will for man with full predestination for Allah, also is an impossibility - the laws of chaos quickly sees to that.

111 71/4c: "- - - for a stated Term - - -". = For the term Allah has predestined.

Full predestination does not exist in the Bible. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. If they had been, such a central point as this had been the same from the two.

112 71/4d: "- - - when the Term given by God (here Allah*) is accomplished, it cannot be put forward" When Allah has predestined something and made it part of his Plan, nothing and nobody can change it - what Allah has predestined, cannot be changed.. (Then why f.x. prayers or the claimed freewill of man, as nothing can change his predestinations according to the Quran?)

113 72/25b: "- - - or whether my (Muhammad's/Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) will appoint for it a distant term". The predestination once more - Allah predestines everything, according to the Quran. (You will meet Muslims claiming it is not real predestination, as predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man - even partly such - and thus it is immoral for Allah to reward or punish people for what they do. But the Quran is extremely clear on that Allah predestines every detail of every ones' life and much more.

114 74/56a: "But none will keep it in remembrance except as Allah wills - - -". Predestination. See 74/31k+l above.

##115 76/30a: “But ye (humans*) will not, except as Allah wills.” Total predestination. Contradicted by:

  1. 8/30 (614-618 AD): “Whenever misfortune happens to you (humans*), it is because of the things your hands have wrought - - -”. Also see 6/22 (630-632 AD): “No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence.”
    But also see all the places where Muhammad tells his people that battle is not dangerous - and refusing to do battle is to no avail - as Allah has long since decided the hour of their death, and nothing they do or not do, can change that hour. This point really goes to the heart of two facts in Islam:
  2. Muhammad came to stress predestination more and more as the years went by in Medina - one can speculate if the reason was that he needed warriors.
  3. And this is a serious point: THROUGH 1400 YEARS ISLAM HAS BEEN UNABLE TO EXPLAIN THE CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL, AND THAT ALLAH DECIDES AND PREDESTINES EVERYTHING. THE MORE OR LESS OFFICIAL POINT OF VIEW (THOUGH NOT AMONG THE UNEDUCATED ONES THAT HARDLY UNDERSTANDS THE PROBLEM) IS THAT THE TWO STATEMENTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE, “BUT IT HAS TO BE TRUE ALL THE SAME AS IT IS SAID IN THE QURAN”(!!!). ALSO THE SENDING PEOPLE TO HELL FOR A FAIR PUNISHMENT COMBINED WITH THE “FACT” THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERYTHING BY PREDESTINATION, IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE WITH THE PRESUMPTION OF A BENEVOLENT AND/OR FAIR GOD. Some Muslims back paddle very much on the point of predestination and try to explain that it is not real predestination, though unable to explain what it then is - but the Quran is too clear on this.
  4. Islam also never has explained how prayers can have value or meaning if Allah has predestined everything and according to his unchangeable Plan long time ago.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

ACTUALLY THIS ONE IS EXTRA INTERESTING, AS IT CONFIRMS THAT ALLAH DECIDES WHAT A HUMAN WILL. A N D W H E R E I S T H E N T H E C L A I M E D F R E E W I L L O F M A N ?

Sub-total Chapter 80 = 115 + 8.029 = 8.144.


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