Muhammad in the Quran, Vol. 4: Chapter 79

Section VII: MUHAMMAD AND PREDESTINATION, FREE WILL FOR MAN, ETC.

PREDESTINATION


Muhammad needed the contra logical and provably wrong claim that Allah does predestine everything in the world, included the exact time of your death, and no matter what you do, at that point of time you will die no matter whether you are fighting in a battle, tilling your farm, or sleeping in your bed. He needed this claim to get willing and brash warriors. But it is easy to prove by means of statistics, that the claim is not true. It also is so totally illogical, that it is difficult to understand how even educated and intelligent persons are able to believe in such a claim even today.

Further the laws of chaos inexorably and unavoidably change the future if you die even a few yards/meters away from the predestined point, or some minutes before or after the predestined time - if you f.x. flee from a battle in which you were predestined to die. This means that in such cases full precognition is impossible for Allah, as like said the future is change - may be much, may be only a little. But even if it is just a little, the "butterfly effect" or the "domino effect" may kick in, and even if not: Multiply a little change with 1000 or a million or a billion people, and by minutes and years and centuries, and inexorably and unavoidably you have a big effect.

Easier to see also for uneducated people, is that if Allah predestines everything, he is unjust if he punishes you for things he has forced you to do.

But Muhammad also needed the claim that man was responsible for his thoughts, words, and deeds. If not Allah was not just or fair when he punished or rewarded humans. He simply stated that man had free will and was bad if he did not do like Allah and Muhammad said, but good if they obeyed. He NEVER explained how it was possible to combine those two claims - and Islam even today is at a loss at how to explain it. They feebly claim f.x.: We quote from Azad: "The Message of the Quran", surah 6, comment 143 (to verse 149):

#####"In other words, the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man's free will, on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true. The very concept of "Allah" presupposes omniscience; and the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part."

But total predestination for Allah and free will for man are two claims which are mutually excluding each other, and it is long since proved that when 2 or more claims are mutually excluding each other, maximum one of them can be true.

Also f.x. full predestination, which is what the Quran indicates, claims, or states more than 100 places in the book, is mutually contradicting any effect of prayer or of forgiving, because both means that Allah for one thing must change his Plan, which the Quran most clearly states that nobody and nothing can do, and it also automatically will change the future, which will make both Allah's Plan and his precognition wrong.

All the same predestination was and is a very central point in Muhammad's religion. Science also tells that predestination became more essential in Muhammad's teaching in Medina = after he started to need warriors - - - - may be for a reason?

##We are a bit thorough in this chapter (but not so that you will not find more if you search the Quran). This partly to show how thoroughly and strongly predestination is an integrated part of the Quran andof Islam, but also to show some of all the places where it is impossible to combine the texts and claims in the Quran - and thus in Islam - logically with the claim of predestination. If Allah predestines everything, like the Quran claims and states so many places that it is no doubt it is a very central part of the religion, among other points the following are mutually contradicting full predestination, and the laws of logic are unbendable in such cases: Where two claims are mutually excluding each other, maximum one of them can be true.

########In the non-material realms of the world, there are things impossible also for gods. An example: Add a mathematical 1 to another mathematical 1, and the only possible answer is 2. You may name it something different, but it still only is 2.

Islam and Muslims often try to flee from the problems predestination makes for the religion, by f.x. claiming that the Quran does not mean full predestination, and that man f.x. because of that partly has free will. But that is not what the Quran says. It several places is very clear on that Allah predestines everything. ##########This means that by claiming differently, Islam and Muslims for one thing are corrupting and falsifying the texts in the Quran, and for another it means that they claim Allah, the Quran, and Muhammad are lying each time they tell Allah predestines everything. Nice confirmations to get from so many Muslims and so many Muslim scholars.

Besides: F.x. the "explanation" that man has partly free will - often used by Muslims - is as hopeless as claiming full free will in spite of full predestination. Even if each person had so little free will, that he/she could change his/her mind only once a year, out of the window goes both Allah's claimed precognition, his omniscience about the future and his Plan. Multiply even such a small insecurity with some billion persons (and some billion animals, because also they count in this world), and you get a big effect - and even more so if you multiply this with days and years and centuries. The laws of logic and the laws of chaos are inexorable - and so is f.x. the "domino-effect".

If it is true that Allah predestines everything, and according to a Plan which nobody and nothing can make him change, there f.x. are these effects:

  1. Free will for man is impossible - as it will change Allah's Plan, Which nobody and nothing can make him do.
  2. Prayers is a waste of time and has no meaning. Prayers = requests for changes in Allah's Plan to give you betterments. But nobody and nothing can make Allah change his Plan, according to the Quran.
  3. Also forgiving is impossible - it means for Allah to change his Plan for you. Of course you may claim forgiving was predestined and thus possible, but then the whole story is threat, not forgiving.

  4. Pilgrimage has no meaning. To give pilgrimage an effect, means to change Allah's plan, which nobody and nothing can make him do according to many points in the Quran.

  5. Reward is not possible - a reward = change Allah's Plan because of something you did (and nobody and nothing can make him change his predestined Plan according to many points in the Quran. It also is meaningless, as it was Allah's Plan which made you do it.

  6. Punishment is impossible and unfair for the same reasons as in point 5.

  7. To earn sin is impossible unless Allah is unfair, if it is true that he predestines everything you do, and thus force you to do the sinful deed.
  8. To earn prise: Similar facts like in pkt. 7.
  9. Trial of humans are without meaning, as Allah predestines everything, according to many points in the Quran = he also predestines the outcome of the trial. (Besides it is totally illogical from the very beginning: If Allah is omniscient and knows everything on beforehand, he can learn absolutely nothing new from a trial. If it is true that Allah predestines everything, he very idea of trials is nonsense. But then the Quran is not too strong on logic.)

If predestination is true, it kills a number of very central points in the religion. But what about Islam if the never proved claim is not true?

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*001 2/26h: “- - - He (Allah*) causes many to stray - - -.” The main point here is that it is Allah who causes it. Can Allah then be a benevolent god when straying means you will end in Hell? There is quite a difference between this and "the lost sheep" in NT (the good shepherd - Yahweh/Jesus - lost a sheep (similitude for a human) and went far out to find it) . This is one of the places where there are worlds between the basic ideas of Allah and of God/Yahweh - so fundamental differences that it is clear that Muhammad's claim that Allah = Yahweh is wrong - - - unless the god is highly schizophrenic. (See f.x. Luke 15/8-10 and 15/11-31 or Matt. 18/12-14 and 20/8-13).

All this means Allah is deceiving persons. We also here touch Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) and lawfully breaking of even oaths (and what then about normal promises?) which is something which is special for Islam. You find this kind of accepted dishonesty in no other of the major religions – and in few of the minor ones.

##002 2/26k: "- - - but He (Allah*) causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path (to Paradise*)- -)". Here we are back to one of the impossible problems in Islam: How can man have free will if Allah decides everything, and does so according to his unchangeable Plan, absolutely every minor detail even? - or the other way round. Islam blames any bad things on yourself - may be after you listened to the devil - in order to be able to tell that Allah is a good and kind and benevolent god. But how is that possible when it is an absolute truth in Islam that absolutely nothing happens unless Allah wills so and unless it is according to his Plan and predestination? If Allah also wills the bad things, he is no good god. So Muslims blame your free will - but free will only is an illusion if Allah decides everything. But as Allah is bad if he sends people to Hell without giving them a fair chance, Muhammad was - and Muslims are - forced to claim free will for man in spite of Allah's deciding everything. Freely quoted: "We cannot explain this contradiction, but both have to be true as it is said in the Quran" (A6/141 - in English 2008 edition 6/143), is the only explanation Muslim scholars are able to give - a book full of errors, contradictions, etc. is the only "proof" they have to give. The total capitulation of mind and intelligence for blind belief.

003 2/34c: "- - - they (the angels*) bowed down (to Adam*) - - -". This means they accepted him/man as being superior to them. Quite different to the Bible. There it is not specified exactly what standing angels have, but clearly more than humans.

This also means that the Quran cannot have been written until after the angels were created -and after Adam was created - not unless Allah's predestination is total and life just a threat.

004 2/50c: "- - - drowned Pharaoh's people - - -". Allah could not have written this in his "Mother Book" millions of years before it happened, unless predestination was/is total: F.x. the pharaoh could have made another decision or a lot of other things could have happened. Only if Allah predestines everything 100%, he could have written this in his book long before, and be sure it was correct. Also see 2/51b below.

005 2/51b: "- - - in his (Moses'*) absence ye (the Jews*) took the calf (for worship), and did grievous wrong". How come that this could be written in the claimed "Mother Book"? Muslims do not quite agree on how old the claimed "Mother Book" is - either it is made by Allah before man was even created, or it has existed since eternity and is never made. In both cases it in case is older than Adam, and unchangeable - the word of Allah is unchangeable. And in both cases it is claimed written long before the time when the different stories in the Quran took place and long before the persons were even born.

But to tell a story where people are involved, millennia’s and more before it happens or to quote persons eons before something is said, only - only - is possible if Allah really predestines everything in absolutely all details - just like the Quran claims many places. Not the most miniscule detail can be changed from what he predestines, because if even the smallest detail is changed, the laws of chaos will throw the foreseen act or words wide off the track. This in case is a 100% proof for that in Islam man has no free will - if he had, he could always change his mind once more about whatever it was - - - and what Allah foresaw or predestined suddenly was wrong. Man just is a puppet on a string.

Even Islam admits that it is not possible to understand how Allah can predestine everything, and man at the same time has free will. We quote Muhammad Asad, "The message of the Quran (A6/141 - in the English 2008 edition A6/143): "- - - the real relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man's free will, on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension - - -" (but the book continues lamely that all the same it has to be true, because Allah says so in the Quran - the brain giving in to blind belief). Actually predestination contra man's free will is a version of the "time travel paradox" - a paradox which is proved unsolvable. And actually in the non-material realms of life there are things impossible also for an omniscient and omnipotent god. The perhaps easiest way to show this, is to make a god add one mathematical 1 with another mathematical 1. The only possible answer even for a god is 2. Predestination versus free will of man is another such non-material unsolvable case - unsolvable even for a god. Therefore, if Allah predestines everything, man has no free will, no matter what the Quran claims - just one more of the many mistakes in that book - or what Islam and its Muslims want to believe.

But if man has no free will, Allah has no moral right to punish - or reward - him/her for what he or she does. We again quote from the same remark from "The Message of the Quran": "- - - the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part". Which means that if Allah predestines everything and man thus has no free will, it is immoral for Allah to punish man for his/her deeds or words which he/she/they has/have been forced to act by Allah's predestination. (But Muhammad needed predestination to make his warriors believe war was not dangerous, and he needed free will of man to make his followers believe Allah was fair when threatening with Hell.)

Then we finally are back to the quote from the Quran at the start of this remark: For this quote to be correct in a book claimed to be thousands and millions and even billions of years old, there only is one possible explanation: Allah predestines absolutely every detail in the world and in your life. If what the Quran here tells is correct, this means full predestination and no free will for man. There is no alternative to this.

Which means Allah is an extremely unjust god rewarding some of his marionettes and damning others to Hell because he has forced them to do bad things.

Another effect of the predestined texts in the Quran - written long before things happened, and copies sent down to all the many (124ooo (= 620 at any time for 5ooo years or 12-15 for 160ooo-200ooo. No traces found. Believe it if you can.) ?) claimed prophets and messengers for Islam, is that those prophets plainly could read about future persons and stories - though in many cases with references they could not understand. This is an inevitable effect of the "fact" that the claimed "Mother Book" naturally was/is unchangeable, and so was and is the words of Muhammad, and of the fact that all books claimed sent down by Allah, was copies of the Mother Book (and copies of one book naturally are identical - here = the Quran, which was and is claimed to be such a copy). Noah could read about Abraham and Jacob and Joseph, Abraham could read about what he himself was going to do, what battles he was going to win, etc., and about f.x. Moses and Jesus - and Muhammad. Etc., etc., etc. There is no indication about such an effect in the Quran, though, and also Islam and Muslims never mention it.

Perhaps Muhammad and Allah did not think about this inevitable result from giving prophets of the very old, copies of the claimed "Mother Book" - similar to the Quran?

(Muslims will here claim that the Quran tells the different prophets got different books, as the Quran tells they were sent new books. That the Quran says new books were sent down, is correct. But as it also implies that those books were copies of the claimed "Mother Book", an unchangeable book from a god whose word was/is unchangeable, this only can mean new copies of the same book - and copies of one and the same book are similar, and in this case similar to the Quran, as also the Quran is claimed to be a copy of that book.) One more and big contradiction in the Quran.

The point quoted on top of this comment is one of the many in the Quran which impossibly could have been written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b, 85/21-22 below) in the far distant past, unless Allah predestines everything 100%. We will point to a number of other such points, but far from all - only some of the most obvious ones. All incidents and quotes where humans are involved and could have changed something, is a case which could not have been written into the claimed "Mother Book" a really long time ago if Allah did not predestine absolutely everything. Just go looking and you will find - but you will find no real explanation from Islam or its Muslims.

One final point: Islam tells that Allah (and his angels) reveres the claimed "Mother Book" in his Heaven. It is highly unlikely Allah would revere his own work - only Pagans revere things they have made themselves. Which means that the other claimed explanation for the existence of the Quran must be the true one: The Quran is never made, but has existed since eternity. But in that case it is even more impossible to have in the Quran things which was to happen or to be said much later, unless the predestination is absolute - With a much larger time-scale the chances for that things might happen or be said which would change the future is much larger.

006 2/108a: “Wouldst ye (Muslims*) question your Messenger (Muhammad*) as Moses was questioned of old?” The Quran says that if it was wrong to ask Moses to show people their god, then it is wrong to ask Muhammad for proofs. Muhammad’s logic is not perfect - there is a difference between asking to see a god and asking for proofs of his existence - but it was a way to evade the questions. Besides: According to the Bible, it was Yahweh who chose to come down, not the Jews who asked him - on the contrary it frightened them. (1.Mos. 19/7-11 + 19/18).Also see 2/55 above - though some Muslims claim this refers to all the work Moses had settling disputes before he delegated power to others (1.Mos. 18/17-24) and in this case also this is an acceptable explanation.

But in the latter case: How come that this could be written in a book claimed to be older than the world, if Allah's predestination is not total?

007 2/113f: "- - - the (same) Book (the Bible*) - - -". A time anomaly. The Bible as we know it is from after Christ, and the very first relevant small book in this connection if we use a lot of goodwill, is "the Book of Covenance" (2. Mos.24/7) from around 1235 - 1230 BC according to science. Nobody before that would understand this reference if the claimed copies of the claimed "Mother Book" 0f which the Quran is one, were sent down to claimed prophets and messengers for Allah throughout all times and to all people, were like the copy named "the Quran". Referring to f.x. 6/67 "For every Message is a limit of time - - -", or 13/38 "For each period is a Book (revealed)", Muslims claim that the copies are changed from time to time - which in case means that the claimed book it is a copy of, the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven, is changed from time to time (if not the books - f.x. the Quran - are not copies of that book, not to mention no exact copies of it).

But that the claimed "Mother Book" is changed now and then, is an impossibility. One thing is claims like f.x. 10/64 "- - - no change can there be in the Words of Allah". By far more central here are the claims that the "Mother Book" - and thus the copy named the Quran - is written by Allah before man was created, or perhaps it has existed since eternity. Such a book naturally is and has been unchangeable since it was created or since eternity. Thus the mentioned verses (6/67 and 13/38) and others cannot mean that new versions of the "Mother Book" are made and copied, but simply that new similar copies are sent down from time to time.

This in case had an interesting side effect in the old times: Prophets and their listeners could learn about future situations, happenings, persons, etc. which at their time had not happened yet, simply by reading their copy of the claimed "Mother Book"/Quran. Abraham could read about Moses and David and Jesus and Muhammad. Jacob could read about his son Joseph. Etc., etc., etc.

This only was possible if Allah's predestination was absolute - like the Quran often claims - and man just puppets on strings.

There is no mentioning of such reading of their future neither in the Quran nor in Hadiths. Which is a clear indication for that one more central claim in the Quran needs a good explanation.

Also see 4/13d below.

008 2/187d: "- - - (Allah*) forgave you - - -". Wrong. Allah can forgive nobody unless he for one exists and for two is a god, neither of which is documented.

But can at all Allah forgive? - even if he should happen to be a god? The Quran MANY places states that Allah predestines absolutely everything, and he predestines it according to his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. And he predestines it long time before it is going to happen - he f.x. according to Hadiths predestines whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven already when you are a 4 months old fetus = 5 months before you are born. Now the Quran tells that man also has free will - a necessary claim not to make Allah very unjust when he sends a person to Hell for sins (or for that case rewards him for good deeds) - but those are two things which are impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god to combine. Give man even the slightest degree of free will, and the laws of chaos inexorably finish off predestination - the god can make things happen by adjusting this and that, but the moment man gets the possibility to change his mind once more about something, full predestination is gone - and the same is full precognition. Even Islam admits that full predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man (some claim that partly free will is possible, but that is wrong - the laws of chaos is very clear on that point; the so-called "butterfly effect" kicks in, and the same does "the domino effect"): We quote (A6/141 - comment to verse 6/149): “In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true". But here Islam is leaving religion, and entering pure mysticism. In the non-material realms of life there are things impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god. Proofs for this in 6/149a below.

If there is complete predestination in Islam like the Quran states as absolute several places in the Quran, forgiving can have no effect in this religion - everything is already decided and nothing can be changed in Allah’s long since predestined Plan - and to forgive means to change the predestination/Plan. (You of course may claim that also the forgiving was predestined, but then it is not forgiving any more, but threat.) To claim the opposite just is mysticism, not religion.

009 2/201-202: "And there are men (hardly ever women in the Quran, except when women are the topic*) who say: 'Give us good in this world and good in the Hereafter, and defend us from the Fire!' To these will be allotted what they have earned - - -". Also Muslims wants a good time in this world, but (unsaid here) the next life is the essential one. And in which part of Paradise - there are several (at least four or six gardens for normal good Muslims and warriors, and then there are the higher heavens for the extra good ones), one better than the other - or in which part of Hell if you after all have not been good enough or obedient enough (there are 7 parts according to Hadiths - one worse than the other) - depends on how you have lived in this life. Which contradicts:

  1. Allah decides everything (and how can he reward or punish you for his own decisions? - See 3/154 and 14/22b below).
  2. Allah predestines everything - even the smallest details in your life - according to his own Plan. And this Plan nothing and no-one can change. (How can he reward or punish you for being forced to live according to his Plan? Here we touches one of Islam's impossible dilemmas: If Allah decides and even predestines everything like the Quran claims time and again and again, then man in reality has no free will, and there is no moral justification for Allah to punish - or for that case to reward - man for what he does or not does. And a claimed good god cannot punish if there is no acceptable reason for punishment - no-one is guilty for things they have been forced to say or do or not do. Because of this Muhammad needed free will for man, so that man could become responsible for his acts and thus be tempted by Muhammad with Paradise if he was a good and obedient Muslim, and threatened by him with Hell if he did not behave according to what the Quran and Muhammad wanted. But Muhammad never was able to explain how both could be possible - Islam even today is unable to explain this. He - and Islam forever after - only claimed it was and is so and expected/expects blind belief in the claim. Islam of today lamely "explains" (we quote A6/141 - A6/143 in 2008 English edition): "- - - the real relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and therefore the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man's free will on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since it is postulated by Allah (in the Quran*) both must be true." The ultimate surrender to blind belief - in the immaterial parts of existence there after all are things which are impossible even for an omnipotent god. But Muhammad needed predestination to claim that war and battles were not dangerous - you did not die until you were destined to die anyhow. But he also needed free will for man partly to have means of ruling his followers (be good and obedient and go to Heaven - if you are bad or disobedient you end in Hell) - and partly to "explain" why Allah had the moral right to reward and punish; we again quote A6/141 (A6/143 in English 2008 edition): "- - - the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part". So Muhammad needed both predestination and free will for man, and used both for everything it was worth and a lot more - but neither he nor later Islam has ever been able to explain how the combination was/is possible. (Actually it is proved impossible, as the combination is a version of "the Time Travel Paradox - a paradox which is proved unsolvable).

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

###010 2/210c: "But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)". Here we are back to the predestination: Allah decides everything, and he decides it according to his unchangeable Plan. And then we are back to the question of man's free will: If Allah decides everything, man's claimed free will is just an illusion. But if man's free will is an illusion, how then can Allah punish humans? - not to mention how can he punish for it and still be a benevolent, fair and good god? This is an unsolvable problem for Islam. The lay members of Islam are fed good words about the free will of man and that Allah is able to see the future no matter and thus only reacts to what you do. Fast words are cheap and if the naive or the strong believers want to believe these logical impossibilities, it is easy to make them believe it. But the moment Allah "writes down" your future, your free will is gone - if not Allah's knowledge may turn out to be wrong. Or if you really have free will, Allah can never know the future for sure, because you always can change your mind once more. Most Muslims happily overlook or are not aware of this impossibility, but among the scholars you meet it (though they never debate it with their lay followers if they can avoid it). We quote from Azad: "The Message of the Quran", surah 6, comment 143 (to verse 149):

#####"In other words, the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man's free will, on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true. The very concept of "Allah" presupposes omniscience; and the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part."

This is a version of the "Time Travel Paradox" - a paradox which is proved unsolvable. But instead of facing this fact, Islam makes the ultimate surrendered to blind belief - even blind belief in the impossible. (Actually they have to - or face the fact that something is wrong. A fact which is too difficult to meet, because that means something is seriously wrong with the religion). But they are giving in to a claim in a book full of mistakes, dictated by the man who institutionalized al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing) - formalized later, but the foundations for it were introduced by Muhammad - and advocated breaking even your oaths if that gave a better result, not to mention that he practiced deceit ("war is deceit" or "war is betrayal" - and "everything" is war). Islam here is leaving religion and entering occultism. Further comments should be unnecessary.

But notice: "- - - the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part". No matter what Islam claims and "explains", free will does not exist if Allah predestines everything, like the Quran clearly states several times.

011 2/233h: "But fear Allah and know that Allah sees well what ye do". This is the last resort; "You know that may be you can cheat us, but there is a god working together with us, and him you cannot cheat. Be good and obedient - and go to war - and he will reward you. Be disobedient or cheat, and he will punish you." This is a carrot and a stick - or a whip - which costs nothing for a leader, but which is efficient if the underlings believe in it - the ultimate means of total control and dictatorship. True or not does not matter - what counts is what the underlings believe.

But one impertinent question: If Allah knows everything and even predestines everything according to his own unchangeable Plan like the Quran frequently states, why - why - does he then need to test his followers, f.x. by sending them on raids for riches or to war for Muhammad to may be become invalids or be killed? - if he knows everything, he cannot learn anything from testing them. There is no logic in it. And this even more so if Allah as said on top of all really predestines everything you do, and thus knows - and forces you to do - every detail of your life and deeds. Allah's claimed need for testing you is a farce or worse, as a test for one thing could tell him nothing he did not already know, and for another thing: If he predestines everything - like MANY points in the Quran very clearly state and confirm - he also predestines what you do during the claimed tests. The tests thus doubly are without meaning.

But if this was Muhammad who needed the carrot and the whip, the logic appears.

This kind of whip (and also the carrot) is much used by Muhammad in the Quran.

012 2/253l: "- - - but Allah fulfilled His plan”. Predestination is central in the Quran. But full predestination like the Quran many places claims, means that man in case has no free will - both at the same time are impossible even for a god. See 3/154, 6/149a, 14/22b below.

###013 3/3m: "- - - He (Allah*) sent down - - - the Gospel (of Jesus) - - -." This is one of the really bad ones, as it is historically clear that the Gospels (there were/are 4, not 1 like Muhammad seems to have believed) were not sent down, but written by humans here on Earth - and not written until some 50-60 years after Jesus had learnt how to read. (The oldest one likely was written in 64 AD or perhaps a little earlier.). Most Muslims try to get out of the syrup by claiming they are speaking of an older one - one so old that even Jesus could read it as a child. Which shows they do not even know what the Gospels are: They are the history of Jesus' life, death, resurrection, and ascension to Heaven, and consequently could not be written until after all this had happened - actually the oldest one was written some 25-30 years after his death. Now, science says there may have existed an older one, but for very obvious reasons it cannot have been much older, not to mention old enough for Jesus to have read, and even more so read it as a child - not unless Islam claims full predestination, and then the free will of man disappears. This mistake simply is caused by the fact that Muhammad did not know the Bible - only legends, etc., and obviously was not aware of what the Gospels really are. And an older Gospel as source for 3 of the present ones, in case makes them even more reliable - an older, written source for them. (The other possible explanation for why 3 of the gospels are very similar, is that the oldest one was used as a model for the 2 younger ones - a possibility Muslims never mention.)

**014 3/24a: "This because they (non-Muslims*) say (to Muhammad or Muslims*): 'The Fire shall not touch us but for a few number of days'". This is one of the very many sentences in the Quran which could not reliably be written into a book - the claimed "Mother Book" - claimed to be made before man was created or even much earlier, unless Allah's predestination you find many places in the Quran, is 100% and absolute - just like the Quran claims. If man had free will - even a little bit of it - he could change his mind and say something else (or the laws of chaos had long sins thrown the story far off track because someone had changed something earlier) and the text in the claimed "Mother Book" the Quran is claimed to be a copy of, would not be correct, or at the very least not reliable. So either predestination is absolute - but how then can Allah reward or punish humans for what he forces them to do? - or this is written after it happened.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

As mentioned there are many - very many - places in the Quran where the text could not be reliably written unless the predestination is absolute. Actually this goes for all points where a human could act or talk differently if he changed his mind a little, and also all the places where someone in times before - perhaps long before - what is described, changed something and threw the story off track. If f.x. David's father had not sent David to his brothers in the battlefields with food (1. Sam.17/17-18), Goliath had not been killed - and what then? If the Quran is as old as Muhammad and Islam claimed and claims, the only possibility for that these very many points could be reliably written into the book, is that predestination is absolute. If man has free will, even just a little, he can change things and change the future, and then the reliability of the old text in the claimed "Mother Book" of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy, is gone.

But if Allah's predestination is absolute, it is morally impossible to defend his punishment of humans for their sins - sins he with his predestination has forced them to perform.

Muhammad needed predestination to make his warriors believe war was not dangerous, but he needed free will for man to justify punishment for sins, included disobeying Muhammad or Allah (which on this Earth also meant Muhammad). He was unable to combine the two - as is Islam even today - - - for the simple reason that total predestination and free will for man is not possible to combine. Islam admits this, but lamely states that all the same it must be true, because Allah said so in the Quran(!) The ultimate defeat for the brain against blind belief.

But in the immaterial parts of existence there are things impossible even for omnipotent gods, and this claimed combination is one of them (it actually is a version of the so-called "time travel paradox", a paradox which is proved unsolvable). Also see 2/51b above.

015 3/35e: "O my (mother of Mary's*) Lord (claimed to be Allah*)! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service - - - (etc*)". One more of the many texts in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the book eons ago unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. See 2/51b and 3/24a above.

016 3/36b: "O my (mother of Mary's*) Lord (claimed to be Allah*)! Behold! I am delivered of a female child! - - - And nowise is the male like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from Satan, the rejected". One more of the many texts in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the book eons ago unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. See 2/51b and 3/24a above.

017 3/37d: "- - - to the care of Zakariyya was she (Mary*) assigned". One more of the many texts in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the book eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. See 2/51b and 3/24a above.

018 3/40b: "O my (Zakariyya's*) Lord (claimed to be Allah*)! How shall I have a son, seeing I am very old, and my wife is barren?" One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, in spite of Islam's claims. See 2/51b and 3/24a above.

019 3/41b: "O my (Zakariyya's*) Lord (claimed to be Allah*)! Give me a Sign!". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, in spite of Islam's claims. See 2/51b and 3/24a above. Also: Zakariyya served in the temple in Jerusalem. ONLY servants of Yahweh served there - a historical fact.

020 3/47c: "How shall I (Mary*) have a son when no man hath touched me?" One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, in spite of Islam's claims. See 2/51b and 3/24a above.

021 3/47d: "- - - a Plan - - -". Allah predestines everything the Quran tells many places, and his predestinations are according to his Plan - a predestined plan no-one and nothing can change. (Why then f.x. pray to him, as nothing can change his decisions anyhow? Not to mention that an unchangeable Plan takes away every smithereens of the claimed free will for man - he cannot even decide to swap a fly or change his mind one time extra in a decade, unless it is predestined in the Plan which according to many verses in the Quran "nobody and nothing can change").

022 3/48: "And Allah will teach him (Jesus*) - - - the Gospel." For one thing: Muhammad does not seem to know there were 4 Gospels - he always uses singular (though also others sometimes use singular). For another: The Gospels did not exist at that time - the oldest one is from ca. 60 AD. For a third: Muhammad obviously did not know what the Gospels are about, as he tells Allah would teach Jesus the Gospels: The Gospels are the history of Jesus' birth, life, death, resurrection, and ascension to Heaven, and could not be written until after all this had happened - not unless total predestination (and then out goes free will for man - such a combination is impossible even for a god, in spite of the Quran's and Islam's claims).

You meet the never documented claim that the Quran talks about an older Gospel - and in a way they may be right, as there may - may - have existed an older one. But for obvious reasons also this one cannot have been written until after things had happened - far too late for Jesus, not to mention the child Jesus, to read. Finally there of course are the naive ones who boldly claim that Allah knew everything before and could have it written down - but then as mentioned out of the window goes free will for man and the benevolent god - predestination and free will for man is not possible to combine. Either the god knows everything before - and man is a puppet forced not to make that knowledge wrong. Or man has free will - and the god is not fully clairvoyant because man always can change his mind once more - the "time travel paradox" which this is a variant of, is long since proved even theoretically unsolvable. There are among the immaterial natural laws a few not even gods can cross (f.x. the mathematical 1 + another mathematical 1 always = the mathematical 2 no matter what trick a god tries).

023 3/52e: “Said the Disciples (of Jesus*): ‘We are Allah’s helpers: we believe in Allah, and do thou (Jesus*) bear witness that we are Muslims". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things.
  3. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".

This that Allah predestines everything is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims), it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (or Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. See 2/51b and 3/24a above.

But also remember that as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

024 3/72a: "A section of the People of the Book say: 'Believe - - - (etc.*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different. And multiply even a tiny change with some billion people through the centuries, and many and also big things will be changed.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "Butterfly Effect" and the "Domino Effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
  5. The so-called "Domino Effect": Any change will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change - - - and so on forever. Also each cause may cause one or more or many changes. And: The Butterfly Effect only may happen, whereas the Domino Effect is unavoidable and inexorable - a main reason why if you in a battle is killed 5 meters from or 5 minutes later than where and when Allah has predestined - not to mention if you die when tilling your fields 50 miles off - unavoidably the entire future of the world is changed. Perhaps not much changed, but like said; multiply it with many billion people through the centuries, and the world is totally changed. And full clairvoyance of course totally impossible - except in occultism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

This that Allah predestines everything is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims), it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (or Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. In the same way out goes any effect of prayers or any possibility of forgiving - both demand changes in Allah's unchangeable Plan. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)

025 3/73a (Non-Muslims say:) "And believe no one unless he (as normal in the Quran only "he" - only men counted*) follows your religion (their religion*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only - and can change his mind, both full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, and an unchangeable Plan, are impossible even for a god, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

026 3/75d: “- - - they (Jews and Christians*) say, 'there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans)'". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places.

This that Allah predestines everything is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims), it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (or Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. In the same way out goes any effect of prayers or any possibility of forgiving - both demand changes in Allah's unchangeable Plan. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

027 3/78c: "- - - (as they (mainly Jews*) read) you (Muslims*) would think it is part of the Book (here the Bible*), but it is not part of the Book (but claimed to be falsifications as it is different from the Quran*); And they say, 'That is from Allah' - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. Anything written down before it is said or done, is unreliable if man has a completely or partly free will and can change his mind. If man has free will - even partly only - and can change his mind, both full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, and an unchangeable Plan, are impossible even for a god, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 4 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

028 3/109c: "- - - to Him (Allah*) do all questions go back (for decision)". = Allah decides and predestines all things - and everything he predestines according to his unchangeable Plan. (Contradicting claim: Man has free will - impossible if Allah decides all things on beforehand. This makes up one of Islam's impossible questions: Predestination contra free will for man - impossible even theoretically to combine, even for a god. Islam is unable to explain this combination - only claims that it has to be true anyhow, as Allah/Muhammad says so in the Quran(!!)). Also see 3/154e, 6/149a and 14/22b below.

As for predestination contra free will for man, “The Message of the Quran” has this comment (6/141 to verse 6/149):

“In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true.

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but a blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness.

IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES AND PREDESTINES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE.

Predestination contra man’s free will actually is a version of “the Time Travel Paradox”, which is long since proved unsolvable. There is no way Allah can even be fully clairvoyant, not to mention decide everything on beforehand, and man at the same time have free will - not even partly free will, like some Muslims try to explain the problem away with. (More in the chapter about predestination in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".)

The ultimately clear and easy to understand claim.

029 3/122c: “Remember two of your parties mediated cowardice (just before the battle of Uhud in 625 AD they wanted to leave*) - - -". Neither the cowardice nor the wish to leave could be reliably foreseen unless predestination was/is total - if man had partly or full free will, he could change his mind + someone could have changed his mind earlier so that f.x. the two groups did not meet at all. One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4BBb+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different. And multiply even a tiny change with some billion people through the centuries, and many and also big things will be changed.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "Butterfly Effect" and the "Domino Effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
  5. The so-called "Domino Effect": Any change will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change - - - and so on forever. Also each cause may cause one or more or many changes. And: The Butterfly Effect only may happen, whereas the Domino Effect is unavoidable and inexorable - a main reason why if you in a battle is killed 5 meters from or 5 minutes later than where and when Allah has predestined - not to mention if you die when tilling your fields 50 miles off - unavoidably the entire future of the world is changed. Perhaps not much changed, but like said; multiply it with many billion people through the centuries, and the world is totally changed. And full clairvoyance of course totally impossible - except in occultism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims), it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

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###030 3/145b: “Nor can a soul die except by Allah’s leave, the term being fixed as by writing”. Wage war - you die when your term comes and not before, no matter what you are doing. The for Muhammad most essential side of predestination? It is easy by means of statistics to show the claim is wrong, but right or wrong does not matter much in cases of blind belief. But one thing is clear: Any man as intelligent as Muhammad did know this was a lie.

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####031 3/145c: "- - - the term being fixed as by writing”. Everything is predestined by Allah and in accordance with his unchangeable Plan - also your death. By the way: As Allah's Plan is impossible to change, there is no use praying to him or do good or bad deeds, as what is predestined cannot be changed. This is one of the Quran's basic contradictions in the Quran and in Islam: Allah predestines everything long time beforehand - according to Hadiths f.x. your destination in the claimed next life (Hell or Heaven) is predestined 5 months before you are even born - and according to an unchangeable Plan. But all the same you should pray to Allah for a better life and for acceptance to paradise, etc. etc. Where is the logic? If everything is predestined, prayers can have absolutely no effect. And if prayers have effect and can change things, predestination and a divine Plan are not true. Predestination combined wit effect of prayers is as impossible as predestination combined with free will of man - even for a god. It is anybody's guess why Muslims do not see this.

032 3/147b: "Our (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*)! Forgive us our sins - - -". Even if Allah should happen to be a god, he cannot forgive if that is contra to his claimed predestined Plan - the prayer then is a waste of time and effort. And if he has predestined forgiving and put it into his Plan long ago, prayer is not necessary as forgiving already is decided. If predestination is true like the Quran claims many times, prayer never has an effect in Islam - a fact strongly contradicting the Quran's never documented claims.

033 3/152f: "- - - until you flinched and fell to disputing about the order, and disobeyed it- - -”. One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4BBb+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

034 3/153b: "Ye (Muslim warriors*) were climbing up the high ground, without even casting a side glance at anybody - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only - and can change his mind, both full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, and an unchangeable Plan, are impossible even for a god, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

035 3/154a: "After (the excitement) of the distress, He (Allah*) sent down calm - - -". This could not reliably be written in the claimed "mother book" until after the distressing situation had happened, and not after the persons had reacted with distress (f.x. instead of stronger reactions). One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4BBb+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different. And multiply even a tiny change with some billion people through the centuries, and many and also big things will be changed.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "Butterfly Effect" and the "Domino Effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
  5. The so-called "Domino Effect": Any change will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change - - - and so on forever. Also each cause may cause one or more or many changes. And: The Butterfly Effect only may happen, whereas the Domino Effect is unavoidable and inexorable - a main reason why if you in a battle is killed 5 meters from or 5 minutes later than where and when Allah has predestined - not to mention if you die when tilling your fields 50 miles off - unavoidably the entire future of the world is changed. Perhaps not much changed, but like said; multiply it with many billion people through the centuries, and the world is totally changed. And full clairvoyance of course totally impossible - except in occultism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims), it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat.)

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####036 3/154e: “Even if you had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death (anyhow*).” This is the "manifest" of predestination. And: This also is one of the points in the Quran where Muhammad knew he was lying. It is so obviously wrong, that an intelligent man like him knew this was not true. But he was a clever manipulator (“is it not more worth that I live among you, and spend the booty on the people not sure in their belief to make them stay in Islam?” f.x.) and he understood people. Lies like this worked because his followers were primitive and in addition wanted to believe. And for primitive, uneducated souls really believing mish-mash like this (it is easy to prove by statistics that it is untrue, if one are un-intelligent enough not to see at once that it is a lie) it was a mighty incitement – fighting in battles was not dangerous, because Allah had decided when you were to die, and at that time you would die whether you were in a battle or sleeping in your bed. It is worth noticing that even today this is the official point of view of Islam. To quote footnote 3/119 to this surah in “The Message of the Quran” (translated from the Swedish 2006 edition - not found in the English 2008 edition):

“(The) incorrect, heathen belief that humans by acting in special ways can avoid death (even for a time*)”.

Unbelievable!!

Today it like said is easy to prove by statistics that it is very wrong - but Muhammad did not know about statistics (and a god had not even needed statistics to know it was stupidity). On the other hand this claim is so contra all logic, that this like said is one of the points where Muhammad knew he was lying - he was too intelligent to believe in this. Actually Islam today back-pedals very much concerning predestination telling f.x. that the Quran does not mean real predestination (but not explaining what they claim it means). But in some cases the book is so clear, that it is impossible to explain it away.) f.x. many places connected to statements that when your time is out, you will die anyhow, and therefore you can as well go to war.

Also see 3/154g just below.

####Besides: Is it ironic to see a religion built on a book so full of errors, contradictions, wrong facts, etc., that it is clear there is no god behind it, naming others heathens?

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#037 3/154f “Even if you had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death (anyhow*).” According to this, they would die anyhow - but another place and may be at a slightly different time. The laws of chaos means that this changes the future - may be much and may be for many. This effect is not possible to avoid, and is sometimes strengthened by the so-called butterfly effect = a small cause can have a big effect. Allah's claimed unchangeable Plan is changed every time this happens. Something is seriously wrong also here in the Quran.

####038 3/154g: “Even if you had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death (anyhow*).” Predestination is not a part of the Bible. Yahweh may decide some things, and see to that it happens, but predestination as an essential part of the religion, no.

That it is a fundamental point in the Quran, but none-existing in the Bible, is one more indisputable proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - the teachings are too different.

039 3/155b: “Those of you who turned back on the day the two hosts met (300 men left Uhud before the battle, leaving 700 to fight, according to Islamic sources*) - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4BBb+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

040 3/166b : "- - - the day when the two armies met - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4BBb+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

041 3/168c: “Say, ‘Avert death for yourselves (not good Muslims*) - - -.” This also refer to the Islamic belief in predestination: You cannot avert death - not even for a short wile - because Allah decided 5 months before you were born (according to Hadiths) when you are to die, and no-one can change Allah's decisions - he at the same time even decided if you were to end in Paradise or in Hell according to Hadiths. No further comment necessary.

042 3/173b: “Men said to them: ’A great army is gathering against you’ - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4BBb+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% - like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

043 3/179c: “Allah will not leave the believers in the state (f.x. of being the losers*) in which ye are now (in Medina at the time of the "deliverance" of this surah*)- - -.” One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

044 3/181b: "Allah hath heard the taunt of those who say: 'Truly, Allah is indigent and we (non-Muslims*) are rich!" The other Arabs taunted the still poor Muslims (mainly poor people followed Muhammad in the start, and they had still not become rich from plunder) with that the Muslims were poor and they themselves were rich. One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places.

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims Allah to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving as results of prayers: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but threat)

045 3/183a: “They (non-Muslims/Jews*) (also) said: ’Allah took our promise not to believe in a Messenger unless he showed us a sacrifice consumed by fire (from heaven)’. One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

046 3/189d: "- - - Allah hath power over all things." Allah decides everything - the Muslim teaching of predestination on addition to his total power - - - and again the impossibility even for a god to combine total predestination (- all things -) with free will of man = one more reminding of that something is wrong. And if it here is meant physical power, such power from Allah never is proved - - - well, actually none of his claimed kinds of power has ever been reliably proved. And his power? He has never clearly proved it.

We also remind you that f.x. prayers or forgiving will have no effect in Islam, as Allah long since has predestined everything according to a Plan nobody and nothing - f.x. prayers or forgiving - can change. And what about morality and ethics behind punishments and rewards if Allah predestines everything like the Quran clearly and without reservations states in different words may be a hundred places = no free will for man!?

191 4/46b: "Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

###047 4/78a: “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if ye are in towers built strong and high!” The predestination once more - Allah has decided when you are to die (Hadiths tell he decides on this - and on whether you are to end in Hell or Paradise - 5 months before you are born). You can as well go to war and do "good" things for Allah – and get rewards and spoils of war from him – because you will die no sooner and no later all the same. No comments should be necessary. Beware that this is the belief also today, even though it is ever so easy to prove by statistics - and also by simply using your brain - that this is wrong. If this is true, free will for man can walk away whistling a tune.

But this claim is so obviously wrong, that a man as intelligent as Muhammad knew he was lying each time he said things like this.

048 4/78d: “All things are from Allah.” From other places in the Quran one knows that “all things” means everything which happens, is given, is taken, and anything else. Then 4/78 is clearly contradicted by 4/79: “- - - but whatever evil happens to thee, is from thy (own) soul”. In addition this sentence from 4/79 is wrong – there f.x. are the natural and other catastrophes and accidents impossible for you to cause, and there are other peoples’ and animals’ actions. In addition every verse telling that man has free will, is contradicted by this (and many others) verse – free will for man and full predestination, and even only full precognition are absolutely impossible to combine even for a god. Even Islam admits that it is impossible to combine, “but all the same it has to be true as Allah says so (in the Quran)” (!!!!!) (“The Message of the Quran” 6/149, note 6/141).

049 4/83a: "When there comes to them (contemporaries of Muhammad*) some matter touching (public) safety or fear, they divulge it". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man, and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined.) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

050 4/111a: "- - - earn sin - - -". How can anyone earn sin if it is Allah who predestines everything everyone does, like the Quran claims many places? Predestination actually is one of the cornerstones of the Quran, not to mention for Muhammad's recruiting of warriors. Muhammad actually placed more stress on predestination in later years. (On the other hand full predestination like the Quran claims many places is impossible to combine with the claim that man has free will (and thus are responsible for his deeds) or with the claim that prayers can have any effect).

051 4/112: "- - - if anyone earns a fault or a sin - - -". How can anyone earn sin if it is Allah who predestines everything everyone does, like the Quran claims many places? Predestination actually is one of the cornerstones of the Quran. Also see 4/111a above.

052 4/118b: "- - - a portion marked off - - -". This indicates that the ones bound for Hell, have a recognizable mark - and it also once more confirms the predestination in the Quran.

053 4/136h: “- - - and the scripture which He (Allah*) hath sent to His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - - ”. One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

054 4/153e: "- - - they (the people of Moses*) said: "Show us Allah (Yahweh*) in public". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

055 5/1j: "- - - Allah doth command according to His Will and Plan". Here the predestination surfaces again: Allah decides everything, and does so according to his Plan where everything of the future is planned, and not possible to change. Where f.x. is the free will of man?

056 5/3e: "This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your (Muhammad's/Muslims'*) religion - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

*057 5/18c: “(Both) the Jews and the Christians say: ‘We are sons of Allah, and (we are*) His beloved’”. One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

058 5/20-21: "Remember Moses said to his people: - - - O my people! Enter ye (the land which were to become Israel') - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

059 5/22a: "They (the Jews*) said: ' O Moses - - - (etc.*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

060 5/24a: "They (the Jews*) said: ' O Moses - - - (etc.*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

061 5/48m; "- - - (His (Allah's*) plan is) - - -". Allah decides everything, and according to his Plan which no-one and nothing can change. Predestination once more.

062 5/52b: “Those in whose hearts is a disease - - - (say*): 'We do fear lest a change of fortune bring us disaster". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

063 5/61a: "When they (Jews*) come to thee (Muhammad*), they say: 'We believe' - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

064 5/64a: "The Jews say: 'Allah's hand is tied up". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

065 5/71a: "They (the Jews*) thought there would be no trial (or punishment); so they became blind and deaf - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

066 5/72b: “They (Christians*) do blaspheme who say: ‘God is Christ the son of Mary.’" One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

067 5/79b: "Nor did they (Jews and Christians*) (usually) forbid one another the inequities which they committed - - -." One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

068 5/82a: "Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou (Muhammad/Muslims*) find the Jews and the Pagans, and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians'." One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

#069 5/104e: "They (non-Muslims*) say: 'Enough for us (non-Muslims*) are the ways we found our fathers following'". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

070 5/112a: "Behold, the Disciples said: "O Jesus - - - (etc.*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

071 6/107a: “If it had not been Allah’s Plan, they (non-Muslims*) would not have taken false gods - - -” There is a certain class of people who find out where people wants to go, then walks in front of them, telling everyone that they are leading the people. You often find them in politics and in organizations. They make us think of this verse. If only Allah willed - - -! In addition: HOW - H O W!! - can an omniscient and omnipotent god presumed to be a good and benevolent god, damn humans to Hell for taking other gods, when they did so because of his own plans???! This also is incompatible with the Bible.

072 6/8b: “They (people*) say: ’Why is not an angel sent down to him (to Muhammad to prove his religion*)”. One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

014 6/115e: “- - - none can change His (Allah's*) Words “. Predestination and his Plan. Allah decides everything, and no-body can change anything. (Then why f.x. pray for help or a better future, when everything already is decided and the decisions impossible to change, because nothing can change his Plan?)

073 6/115f: “- - - none can change His (Allah's*) Words “. Perhaps no Muslim can, because that means that something is wrong in the foundation and fundamentals of Islam - they cannot afford to change any word in the Quran for that reason. But f.x. science can show if some - a lot - of the words in the Quran are wrong. Which they are. Also there are changes in the Quran – the differences in the old Qurans, the different “ways of reading” (a camouflaged way to talk about what in reality are varieties of the texts), the abrogated verses and the change in the religion around/after 622 AD – by whom and why? Well, whoever the maker of the Quran is, he is contradicting himself, as he clearly changes it himself when something forces him to – try and fail? Or change his mind about more blood and injustice from 622 AD on? – or because of other problems or things he has learnt?

  1. 2/106: “None of our revelations do We (Allah*) abrogate or cause to be forgotten, But We substitute something better or similar”. Words can be changed.
  2. 16/101: “When We (Allah*) substitute one revelation for another – and Allah knows best what He reveals - - -“. No doubt that he can change his own words, at least – when he did not do things right at once. (These two verses – 2/106 and 16/101 – are the main fundamentals under Islam’s rules for abrogation – making verses invalid when there are contradictions. See separate chapter about abrogation).

One more confirmation for that nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan - "His word". What then about f.x. free will for man, forgiving, prayers, good/bad deeds, pilgrimage, etc? - they all are illusions if Allah predestines everything and according to an unchangeable Plan.

(2 contradictions).

074 6/25d: "The Unbelievers say: 'These (the tales in the Quran*) are nothing but tales of the ancient.'" One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

075 6/29b: "And they (non-Muslims contemporary of Muhammad*) (sometimes) say: 'There is nothing except our life on this earth, and never shall we be raised up again.'" One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

076 6/34b: "- - - there is none that can alter the Words (and Decrees) of Allah". At least when it comes to what is claimed sent down in the Quran, reality alters quite a lot of it. (But this is indicating the predestination - Allah decides and nobody can change his decisions, according to the Quran. Incompatible with the Bible. May be worse: Incompatible with the claim that man has free will.)

077 6/37b: “They (people*) say: ’Why is not a Sign sent down to him (Muhammad*) from his Lord (Allah*)?” One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

078 6/39e: "- - - whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander (end in Hell*) - - -". This refers to predestination. According to Hadiths (al-Bukhari) Allah decides 5 months before you are born whether you are to end in Paradise or in Hell. Compare this to "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13), and weep. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Just guess!!

##079 6/41b: “Nay - On Him (Allah*) would ye (people*) call (if you were in distress*), and if it be His (Allah’s*) will, He would remove (the distress) - - -”. But why call on Allah, when it is of no use? Allah according to the Quran follows his own predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change - still according to the Quran. Thus if it is in his Plan that your distress will be removed, it will disappear no matter. Whereas if it is Allah's Plan that it shall go on, it will go on no matter what you say or do or plead. If the Quran tells the truth about Allah and his planning, there thus simply is no use praying to Allah - it will change nothing.

Or is this one more place in Islam where Muhammad wanted both good sides of incompatible good things which were impossible to combine - like predestination making battles and wars safe, but free will for man (impossible to combine even for a god) giving Allah reason for punishing sinners, included the ones not obeying Muhammad when he wanted a raid or a war? Here: Allah's unchangeable plans, vs. pray to Allah when you want a change in your future = a change in his plans (if it did not happen that it was his Plan to give you a better future, and in that case it was not the prayer which had any effect.

If Allah is following his unchangeable Plan like the Quran claims, there is no use praying to Allah - things will go according to his predestined Plan no matter ("if it be His will") - - - if the Quran tells the truth. Advising people to pray to Allah in case just is a bluff.

080 6/57c: "The Command rests with none but Allah - - -". The decision and predestination: Allah commands - decides - everything, and of course according to his predestined Plan. (But nothing of this is ever proved.

081 6/60c: "- - - that a term appointed be fulfilled - - -". = That Allah's predestination that you are to wake up again is fulfilled - Allah predestines EVERYTHING. (Incompatible with the Bible>).

082 6/63: "If He (Allah*) only deliver us from these (dangers) - - -". The strategic word here and many other places is "if". Besides: If Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims, and if nothing can change his predestinations and his Plan, why then pray for help? Either Allah has predestined that you will end in a mess, or he has predestined that you will not - prayers will not influence the predestination and the Plan, and thus is without any meaning or effect. The Quran very clearly states that nobody and nothing can change Allah's Plan.

##083 6/70d: "- - - every soul delivers itself to ruin (Hell*) by their own acts - - -". Here we are back to one of Islam's impossible contradictions: Muhammad needed the predestination, because it gave many and unafraid warriors - they were not to die until Allah had when decided, so war was not dangerous. But if Allah predestined everything there was no moral reason for him to punish humans for sins he had predestined they should do - thus man had to have free will. Muhammad was and Islam is unable to explain the very serious contradiction: Allah decides and predestines everything, but man had free will and decides for himself. Islam only has the weak claim "it is impossible for man to understand, but has to be true as Allah says so in the Quran" - see 6/149a below. Some Muslims tries to explain that what is meant, is that man has partly free will, but that is a nonsense explanation. For one thing no human had fully free will - he always was partly dependant on nature and on others, and never had any more than partly free will at best, so then it is not a way out of the problem to claim he only had partly free will. And for another: When it is made totally clear that Allah decides and predestine absolutely every detail on Earth, there is no kind of free will left for man, not even a partly one. And not forget that for a third: The laws of chaos would make even partly free will, spoil Allah’s predestination and unchangeable Plan.

084 6/74f: "Lo, said Abraham to his father Azar: 'Takest thou Idols for gods? For I see thee and thy people in manifest error". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem of full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

016 6/134b: "- - - nor can you frustrate it (Allah's predestination*) (in the least bit)". Nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestination and Plan - nothing and nobody at all. Then where is free will of man, and where is the rationale in praying, forgiving, bad or good deeds, etc.?

085 6/81a: "(Abram/Abraham said:*) 'How should I - - - (etc.*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases like this than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in f.x. praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

086 6/92h: "- - - they (Muslims*) are constant in guarding their Prayers". Why? - if it is true what the Quran claims many places, that Allah has predestined everything for you in accordance with his unchangeable Plan, which nothing and no-one can change, no prayer can change his predestinations - prayers to Allah thus are meaningless and a waste of time. (Muslims never - never - mention this).

087 6/107b: "- - - Allah's Plan - - -". This is the reason for and the origin of all predestination: Allah's predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change even a nanometer. There is no such plan mentioned in the Bible.

088 6/109a: "They (non-Muslims contemporary to Muhammad*) swear their strongest oaths - - - (etc.*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

089 6/111b: “- - - they (non-Muslims*) are not the ones to believe, unless it is Allah’s Plan”. This is even worse than 6/107a above - Allah simply has made it impossible for non-Muslims to become Muslims, if it does not fit him. But still he condemns them to Hell!!! Predestination at its worst - perhaps except when luring people to their death or mutilation in battle.

No comment could possibly explain our point of view or distaste.

090 6/115e: “- - - none can change His (Allah's*) Words “. Predestination and his Plan. Allah decides everything, and no-body can change anything. (Then why f.x. pray for help or a better future, when everything already is decided and the decisions impossible to change, because nothing can change his Plan?)

091 6/124c: "- - - they (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) say: 'We shall not believe until we receive one (proof*) (exactly) like those received by Allah's messengers". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

092 6/125b: "- - - (in His (Allah's*) Plan - - -". The predestination again. Allah has everything planned, and nothing and nobody can change anything (actually why pray to Allah for help in problems, when nothing can be changed?). And what about f.x. free will for man?

093 6/134a: “All that hath been promised unto you (for better or worse*) will come to pass: nor can you frustrate it (in the least bit)”: Everything Allah has predestined for you, will happen. (A never answered question here is: Why then bother with praying to Allah, when everything is predestined, and nothing can change the predestinations?)

094 6/134b: "- - - nor can you frustrate it (Allah's predestination*) (in the least bit)". Nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestination and Plan - nothing and nobody at all. Then where is free will of man, and where is the rationale in praying, forgiving, bad or good deeds, etc.? And how can man earn sin, if he is ordered to do it by Allah's Plan?

095 6/136b: "- - - they (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) say - - - 'This is for Allah - - -(etc.*)'". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

096 6/138c: "- - - they (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) say that such and such crops are taboo (etc.*) - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

097 6/148b: "Those (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) who give partners (to Allah) will say: "If Allah had wished - - - (etc.*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

098 6/148c: “If Allah had wished, we (people*) should not have (had other gods*) - - -” See 6/106 above. And: How can Allah punish people for believing in other gods, when that belief is in accordance with his own predestinations??!! - it is Allah who decides on beforehand anything after all, even your thoughts and acts, according to the Quran.

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####099 6/149a: (A6/141 – in 2008 edition 6/143): “With Allah is the argument that reaches home (= the decisive arguments = it is Allah who decides*) - - - ". Predestination again - because Allah long since has decided everything according to his Plan. And man's claimed free will?

“The Message of the Quran” has this comment:

“In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true."

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but for blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness.

IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE.

Also Islam here leaves religion and enters mysticism.

Predestination contra man’s free will actually is a version of “the Time Travel Paradox”, which is long since proved unsolvable. (In short: The king is murdered. A FTL-message (FTL = Faster Than Light) is sent to a star-ship off Sirius. FTL according to Einstein moves backwards in time, and arrives earlier than it was sent. The ship sends a warning to the king, and as it uses FTL, the warning arrives before the murder and the king avoids the murderer. Because of that no message is sent to the ship, which sends no warning to the king - and the king is murdered. Then a FTL message is sent to the ship - - - -".) There is no way Allah can even be fully clairvoyant, not to mention decide everything on beforehand, and man at the same time have free will. (More in the chapter about predestination.)

Another proof for that there are things in the non-material parts of life which are impossible even for an omnipotent and omniscient god: Add one mathematical 1 to another mathematical 1. The only possible answer even for a god is the mathematical 2. There simply are things not possible even for gods. And to combine full predestination with even a tiny part of free will for man, is one of them - the laws of chaos inexorably prohibit it. A god may direct this and that to happen, but full predestination or full precognition is not possible if it is possible for man to change his mind, even if he can change it only now and then.

Yet another point: It is a proved fact in science (logic) that if two claims are mutually excluding each other, maximum one of them may be true.

PREDESTINATION ALSO MAKES F.X. PRAYERS MEANINGLESS: IF ALLAH HAS PREDESTINED EVERYTHING, PRAYERS CAN CHANGE EXACTLY NOTHING. (Predestined help - or reward or punishment - for predestined deeds just is threat.)

This point perhaps is the pinnacle in all Islam's ability to flee even from facts they see themselves, its inability to face hard facts even when they see them, and its ability and willingness to be blind and to overlook even the strongest facts and proofs for that things are very wrong in the Quran and thus with Muhammad and in Islam. Central claims which cannot be true, are accepted in pure superstition.

"Our fathers told us and our neighbors and mullahs tell us this is true, and then it must be true". (Taqlid is normal among Muslims,)

"We built our lives on this belief - it has to be true because it is too difficult for me to face the alternative".

You meet this lack of moral backbone and the ability in Islam and in Muslims to overlook or explain away even the strongest facts, at every point in the Quran where there are mistakes, contradictions or other proofs for that something is wrong in the Quran, and thus with Muhammad and with his religion - proofs they are unable to face for that Islam as told in the Quran is not a religion, but a superstition.

In a way this does not surprise us - such things are typical for strong believers in any religion, and Muslims simply are very typical concerning this. ### What is more difficult to understand, is that in spite of that there are so very many points - perhaps 3ooo+ in a relatively small book - which must be "explained" in spite of that the book itself declares that its texts are easy to understand, and are to be understood literary, and all the same Muslims do not even start asking questions about what this signify or means!

Total predestination for Allah and even a smithereens of free will for man are two claims which are mutually prohibiting/excluding each other. Maximum one of them can be true. The claim is logical and scientific nonsense.

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####100 6/149a: (A6/141 – in 2008 edition 6/143): “With Allah is the argument that reaches home (= the decisive arguments = it is Allah who decides*) - - - ". Predestination again - because Allah long since has decided everything according to his Plan. And man's claimed free will?

“The Message of the Quran” has this comment:

“In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true."

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but for blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness.

IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE.

Also Islam here leaves religion and enters mysticism.

Predestination contra man’s free will actually is a version of “the Time Travel Paradox”, which is long since proved unsolvable. (In short: The king is murdered. A FTL-message (FTL = Faster Than Light) is sent to a star-ship off Sirius. FTL according to Einstein moves backwards in time, and arrives earlier than it was sent. The ship sends a warning to the king, and as it uses FTL, the warning arrives before the murder and the king avoids the murderer. Because of that no message is sent to the ship, which sends no warning to the king - and the king is murdered. Then a FTL message is sent to the ship - - - -".) There is no way Allah can even be fully clairvoyant, not to mention decide everything on beforehand, and man at the same time have free will. (More in the chapter about predestination.)

Another proof for that there are things in the non-material parts of life which are impossible even for an omnipotent and omniscient god: Add one mathematical 1 to another mathematical 1. The only possible answer even for a god is the mathematical 2. There simply are things not possible even for gods. And to combine full predestination with even a tiny part of free will for man, is one of them - the laws of chaos inexorably prohibit it. A god may direct this and that to happen, but full predestination or full precognition is not possible if it is possible for man to change his mind, even if he can change it only now and then.

Yet another point: It is a proved fact in science (logic) that if two claims are mutually excluding each other, maximum one of them may be true.

PREDESTINATION ALSO MAKES F.X. PRAYERS MEANINGLESS: IF ALLAH HAS PREDESTINED EVERYTHING, PRAYERS CAN CHANGE EXACTLY NOTHING. (Predestined help - or reward or punishment - for predestined deeds just is threat.)

This point perhaps is the pinnacle in all Islam's ability to flee even from facts they see themselves, its inability to face hard facts even when they see them, and its ability and willingness to be blind and to overlook even the strongest facts and proofs for that things are very wrong in the Quran and thus with Muhammad and in Islam. Central claims which cannot be true, are accepted in pure superstition.

"Our fathers told us and our neighbors and mullahs tell us this is true, and then it must be true". (Taqlid is normal among Muslims,)

"We built our lives on this belief - it has to be true because it is too difficult for me to face the alternative".

You meet this lack of moral backbone and the ability in Islam and in Muslims to overlook or explain away even the strongest facts, at every point in the Quran where there are mistakes, contradictions or other proofs for that something is wrong in the Quran, and thus with Muhammad and with his religion - proofs they are unable to face for that Islam as told in the Quran is not a religion, but a superstition.

In a way this does not surprise us - such things are typical for strong believers in any religion, and Muslims simply are very typical concerning this. #### What is more difficult to understand, is that in spite of that there are so very many points - perhaps 3ooo+ in a relatively small book - which must be "explained" in spite of that the book itself declares that its texts are easy to understand, and are to be understood literary, and all the same Muslims do not even start asking questions about what this signify or means!

Total predestination for Allah and even a smithereens of free will for man are two claims which are mutually prohibiting/excluding each other. Maximum one of them can be true. The claim is logical and scientific nonsense.

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101 6/157b: "Or lest ye (contemporaries of Muhammad*) should say - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

102 6/161k: "- - - he (Abraham*) (certainly) joined not gods with Allah". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

103 7/28aa: "When they do aught that is shameful, they say: 'We found our fathers doing so - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

##104 7/29c: "- - - prayer - - -". What is the idea of praying for anything in Islam? According to the Quran - and Hadiths - Allah has predestined every detail in your and everyone else's life according to his unchangeable Plan - a Plan "nobody and nothing" can change. Thus prayers can have no effect and can change nothing, and just is a waste of time and effort - a fact (if the stated predestination is correct - and if it is not, the Quran is wrong) no Muslim ever mentions or tries to explain.

#105 7/34a: “To every people (nation, community*) is a term appointed - - -.” The fate of every nation/people is predestined - like everything else. And nothing can change Allah's Plan. (PS: As nothing can change his plan, why then pray for help then you are in difficulties? - nothing can be changed. Also: Man can have absolutely no free will - even a little free will is mutual excluding to full predestination-.

106 7/34b: (YA1017): “To every People (nation*) is a term appointed - - -.” But the Arab word here used for “people” – “ummah” - also may mean “generation”. In that case the meaning is: “To every generation is a term appointed - - -.” Not quite the same to use an understatement. Clear language in the Quran?

107 7/34c: "- - - not an hour can they (humans*) cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation)." Predestination is absolute - man can do exactly nothing. This means that man’s claimed free will is an illusion. But it also means that war and battles are not dangerous - you do not die until your time is out, but then you die either you are in the midst of a hard battle, working in your fields, or sleeping in your bed. A very nice religion for a robber baron and for a warlord - wrong of course, which is easy to prove nowadays with statistics, but naive people even today may believe in it. But also see 7/34a above: Have prayers any meaning at all in Islam, when prayers can change nothing?

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

108 7/37c: "- - - the Book (of Decrees) - - -". This simply is a reference to Allah's predestination: What he has decreed - what he has predestined. As there is no dogma about a "book of decrees", we guess here is used figurative speech. Though it may be the Quran which is meant - it contains many decrees.

109 7/60aa: "The leaders of his (Noah's*) people said: 'Ah, we see thee evidently wandering (in mind)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

110 7/75b: "The leaders of the arrogant party among his (Salih's*) people said to those who were reckoned to be powerless - - -: 'Knowest ye - - - (etc.*)".One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

111 7/88a: "The (non-Muslim*) leaders - - - said: "O Shu'ayb! - - - (etc.*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

###112 7/99a: "- - - the Plan of Allah - - -". This refers to Allah's predestined running of the world(s) and the heaven(s - like Islam insists) and perhaps also Hell. It is a rigid plan with no room for changes: Allah has decided everything long ago, and that is it - nothing and nobody can change anything in it - total predestination (which in case means absolutely no room for any free will - partly like some Muslims try to explain it away with or total. And in a way worse and never - never - mentioned by Muslims: Also there is no room for prayers in spite of what the Quran insists - if absolutely nothing can change the predestined Plan of Allah, also prayers can change nothing, and is just a waste of time and effort, and similar go for punishment and reward - good deeds and f.x. pilgrimages can have no effect, as nothing can change Allah's Plan). You meet this Plan many places in the Quran.

#### 113 7/89c: “- - - nor could we (humans*) by any manner or means return thereto (the right way*), unless it be as in the will and plan of Allah - - -:” It - according to the Quran - is Allah who decides everything in this (and in the claimed next) world, as he predestines everything according to his Plan, and you can do nothing which is not in his plan ###### (which should mean that this book about the Quran is decided by Allah, and part of his Plan - thus there is no reason for Muslims to be angry with us, as it is Allah's decision that we should write it).

The "fact" (according to the Quran) that Allah predestines everything, influences the Quran's and Islam's moral code and Muslims' behavior.

114 7/99b: "- - - the Plan of Allah - - -". See 7/99a just above.

115 7/148b: "The people of Moses made in his absence - - - the image of a calf - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

116 7/160c: "- - - people asked him (Moses*) for water - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones).

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

117 7/183: "My scheme is strong (and unfailing) - - -". Allah has already decided everything in his Plan - predestination has locked anything that is going to happen.

***118 7/185c: "- - - their (humans' - in this case non-Muslims*) term - - -". The word "term" in the Quran mostly is used as a word for when something is coming to an end according to the predestined Plan of Allah - here the end of their lives. Predestination is a heavy fact in Islam, and you have to be a blindly believing or not thinking Muslim to be able not to see the impossibility in combining predestination - the total predestination of the Quran - with the claim that man has free will and also that prayers to Allah has any merit, if everything already is predestined.

119 7/188a: "- - - except as Allah willeth". The predestination - nothing can happen except as Allah will. (But where then is the claimed free will of man?)

120 7/203c: "- - - they (contemporary of Muhammad non-Muslims*) say: "Why hast thou (Muhammad*) not - - - (etc.)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

#121 8/1b: “They (the warriors*) ask thee (Muhammad*) concerning (things taken as) spoils of war (riches and slaves and sometimes land*)". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

122 8/3a: "- - - establish regular prayers - - -". But what is the idea with prayers in Islam if Allah predestines everything long before and according to his unchangeable Plan? - a plan "nobody and nothing can change". If nothing can change the predestination, prayers have no effect in Islam and are just a waste of time and effort. As bad: Similar goes for f.x. forgiving, not to mention free will for man.

123 8/5d: “Just as thy Lord (Allah*) ordered thee out of your house in truth (to make war against the Quraysh – battle of Badr 624 AD*) - - -.” If man had free will, Allah could not know for sure millions of years earlier that Mecca would march against Badr just then. One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

124 8/9b: "- - - ye (Muhammad’s Muslims*) implored - - -". Something Allah could not know for sure eons earlier, if there is not total predestination. See 8/5 above.

125 8/26b: "Call to mind when ye (Muhammad's followers*) were a small (band*), despised through the land, and afraid that men might despoil and kidnap you - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

126 8/28a: "- - - a trial - - -". But why does an omniscient god who knows absolutely everything, included your innermost thoughts, and who on top of all according to many places in the Quran predestines everything and every detail on Earth and in everyone's life, need trials of his people?!? There exists no logic in it - not unless it in reality was Muhammad who needed an explanation for why Allah wanted his followers to fight for Muhammad.

  1. Predestination - Muhammad even came to stress predestination more and more as the years went by in Medina - one can speculate if the reason was that he needed warriors.
  2. And this is a serious point: THROUGH 1400 YEARS ISLAM HAS BEEN UNABLE TO EXPLAIN THE CONTRADICTION BETWEEN THE STATEMENTS THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL, AND THE STATEMENTS THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERYTHING. THE MORE OR LESS OFFICIAL POINT OF VIEW (THOUGH NOT AMONG THE UNEDUCATED ONES THAT HARDLY UNDERSTANDS THE PROBLEM) IS THAT THE TWO STATEMENTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE, “BUT IT ALL THE SAME HAS TO BE TRUE AS ALLAH SAYS SO IN THE QURAN”(!!!). ALSO THE SENDING PEOPLE TO HELL FOR A FAIR PUNISHMENT COMBINED WITH THE “FACT” THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERYTHING BY PREDESTINATION, IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE WITH THE PRESUMPTION OF A BENEVOLENT AND/OR FAIR GOD. Some Muslims back paddle very much on the point of predestination and try to explain that it is not real predestination, without explaining what it then is - but the Quran is too clear on this.
  3. PREDESTINATION ALSO MAKES PRAYERS INVALID IN ISLAM. IF EVERYTHING IS PREDESTINED LONG TIME AGO, AND PREDESTINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ALLAH'S PLAN - A PLAN NOBODY AND NOTHING CAN CHANGE ACCORDING TO SEVERAL VERSES IN THE QURAN, AND WHICH THUS ALSO PRAYERS CANNOT CHANGE, TO PRAY FOR HELP OR FORGIVING OR ANYTHING FROM ALLAH JUST IS A WASTE OF TIME AND EFFORT. THE SAME GO FOR GOOD DEEDS, PILGRIMAGE, ETC., AS NOTHING CAN CHANGE ALLAH'S PREDESTINED PLAN ACCORDING TO SEVERAL CLEAR STATEMENTS IN THE QURAN.

127 8/44c: "For to Allah do go all questions go back (for decision)." All and everything ends with Allah for decision - because it is Allah who decides absolutely everything, and he decides it by predestination and according to his unchangeable Plan, which nobody and nothing can change, according to the Quran. (But if nothing can be changed from his predestined plan, which help can then f.x. prayers to Allah or pilgrimage or good deeds make? - everything is unchangeably locked to his Plan already according to the Quran!? - and man can have no free will).

128 8/45b: “When ye meet a force, be firm - - -.” Order and pep-talk. But why if Allah already has decided what is going to happen? There is no logic in this in that case - and in many other cases. (But there is logic if all the tales about predestination just are tales to make Muhammad's naive and blindly believing warriors believe that war and battles are no more dangerous than playing with your children or tending your fields back home. But how come that Allah had predestined the time of your death, but not when you were to become rich? - you only became rich if you went on raids or wars and stole things, not if you at just the same time instead were sleeping in your bed.

129 8/49a: "The hypocrites (at the time of Moses*) say - - - : 'These people - - - (etc.*)'". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

130 8/53a: "- - - until they (a people*) change what is in their (own) souls - - -". This is not possible for them if Allah predestines everything like the Quran tells many places. Then only Allah can change it. Full predestination + free will - even partly free will - is an impossibility even for an omnipotent god. As said before, in the realm of the immaterial world there are things impossible even for gods.

131 9/25g: "- - - the day of Hunayn - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

132 9/45d: As for predestination contra free will for man, also see 3/154, 6/149a, and 7/34a above, and 14/22b below.

####133 9/51a: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Allah decides everything. The predestination - but where then is the claimed free will of man which justifies Allah's punishments for sins? - not even Islam is able to explain that. Islam even admits it is not possible to explain it, but adds lamely that it all the same must be true, because Allah says so in the Quran(!!) (A6/141, 6/143 in English 2008 edition). The ultimate defeat for the brain vs. blind belief.

And where is the effect of prayers in Islam, if Allah already has predestined what is going to happen, like the Quran tells he always do?

134 9/51b: “Nothing will happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Predestination: To do battle is not more deadly than sleeping in your bed, as Allah already has decided your hour of death. Naïve and uneducated people and religious fanatics may really believe this - in those cases it is one terrific piece of pep talk for not being afraid of doing battle.

135 9/51c: “Nothing can happen to us except what Allah has decreed for us - - -”. Well, Islam tells it is the free will of man that brings on bad incidents in life. This verse contradicts that, to say the least of it. So just go safely to war.

A warrior or terrorist can only win - riches and glory or Paradise. (Mutilation, becoming a cripple etc. is never mentioned).

Well, as said he may become a cripple f.x. and live a long life in misery - but that is never mentioned. Also his family may live in misery - also never mentioned.

Also the Quran NEVER mentions that the non-Muslims are humans and what the devastation of their culture and lives means to them - it is of absolutely no consequence and without the slightest interest to Islam or Muslims. The destruction of Persia - and for that case the East Roman culture or the terror in Pakistan/India and Africa - represented long series of terrible dramas and catastrophes for people and culture and science, but the only things which counted - and still counts - for Islam, was a lot of spoils of war - and power and riches for their leaders, and like it or not: Frequently forcing people to become Muslims - frequently by weapons, and always using social and other kinds of pressure - and by extra tax (jizya), often high. Even today we have never met a Muslim able to see this side of their wars or murders or suppression, not to mention what rape and enslavement meant to millions of victims - never to this day, not one single time have we heard a Muslim regret this. Only in the western culture the ability to see the fate of the victims is widespread - a military weak spot, but one of the points which perhaps make the western culture better than some others of the big ones. (To say anything good about the West is politically incorrect, but we do not care for what is politically correct - we are able to think ourselves, and what counts is what is correct, not what is politically correct).

136 9/51e: This verse is not from the Bible (actually little "Biblical" stuff in the Quran is from the Bible itself). Predestination in the meaning of what you find in the Quran, does not exist in the Bible - one of the very solid proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - the teachings are far too different also on the fundamental points.

137 9/85a "Allah's Plan - - -". Allah predestines everything, and he does it according to his Plan - a plan nobody and nothing can change. But how can he then punish man for sins Allah himself has planned and forced man to do? - Full predestination means no free will for man, no matter what the Quran claims - even Islam has given in explaining how both can be possible (A6/141) - and then: How can Allah punish for what man is forced to do? Also: Has prayer any meaning when Allah already has decided the outcome?

138 9/97-99: Can these verses at all have been written billions of years ago and be copy of a "mother book" from before ages - may be always existed - and revered by a god and his angels in Heaven? Not unless the predestination is 100%, and even then it is not worthy of reverences from angels, not to mention from and omniscient god. (If you go looking, you will find a number of such doubtful points in the Quran).

139 10/49d: “To every people is a term (a date of ending*) appointed: when their term is reached, not an hour can they cause delay, nor (an hour) can they advance (it in anticipation)”. This is contradicted by the Bible, where the future is changeable. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

140 9/90b: "And there were, among the desert Arabs - - - those who were false to Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

141 9/98c: "Some of the desert Arabs looks upon their payment as a fine." One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

##142 9/99f: "- - - prayer - - -". What is the idea of prayers in Islam if the Quran tells the truth when it many places states that Allah predestines every detail which happens, and predestines it according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change? If nothing can change it, also prayers can change not a thing. This means that if the Quran tells the truth about predestination, prayers just are waste of time and effort. And if it does not tell the truth here, how many other places in the Quran is untrue - and what then is Islam?

Also forgiving is impossible if Allah's Plan is impossible to change.

143 9/100-101: Can these verses at all have been written billions of years ago and be copy of a "mother book" from before ages - may be always existed - and revered by a god and his angels in Heaven? Not unless the predestination is 100%, and even then it is not worthy of reverences from angels, not to mention from and omniscient god. (If you go looking, you will find a number of such doubtful points in the Quran).

144 9/103a: "- - - pray (Muhammad*) on their (the good desert Arabs*) behalf - - -". 11To what avail if Allah predestines everything according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change anyhow? - one of the Quran's and Islam's most central and unsolvable mysteries and contradiction - and one which unlike the impossibility of combining Allah's complete predestination with even a small piece of free will for man, is never mentioned by Muslims. (Total predestination after all is mentions sometimes by Islam, though their scholars (not the lay people who believe in the mumbo-jumbo they are told explains it) admit it is impossible to understand how it can be combined.)

145 9/104a: "Know they (people*) not that Allah doth accept repentance - - -". But what is the idea if Allah already has predestined everything according to his unchangeable Plan? If the Plan and the predestinations are unchangeable and made eons before like the Quran states, also repentance cannot have any effect. See 9/103a above.

146 10/15c: "- - - (non-Muslims) say: 'Bring us a Reading other than this (some surahs*), or change this'". How could this end in the "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

147 10/38c: "Or they (the opponents*) say: 'He (Muhammad*) forged it?" How could this end up in the "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

148 10/48a: "They (skeptics at the time of Muhammad*) say: 'When will this come to pass - - -?" How could this end up in the "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

149 10/53d: "And ye (wrongdoers*) cannot frustrate it (your destiny*)". Allah has decided - predestination rules. Different from NT where there is possibility to the very end, if there is honest regret and remorse.

Predestination also is proved wrong by science. Several aspects of the claims of predestination is possible to test, f.x. by means of statistics, and f.x. the claim that the chance for dying a certain day is not greater in a battle than when working in your fields, playing with your children, or sleeping in your bed, is thoroughly proved wrong. (The claim also is logically hopeless.)

###150 10/64b: “- - - in the life of the Present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah”. What Allah decides is final - pure predestination. And many things he decides early – f.x. the day of your death and whether you will end in Hell or Heaven is (according to Hadiths) decided 5 months before you are born. And remember: According to the Quran Allah's predestined Plan is impossible to change by anyone or anything. Good or bad deeds, prayers, pilgrimage, or whatever (f.x. forgiving) - nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan, according to the Quran.

##151 10/64c: “- - - in the life of the Present and in the Hereafter, no change can there be in the Words of Allah.” For one thing this sentence has serious effect for the ones who say that predestination in the Quran, is not real predestination – when Allah has said/thought/written something, no free will of man can change anything - - - which means there is no free will, and things are predestined as sure as carved in stone. But more relevant just here is that there were many and sometimes large changes in Allah’s words after this “revelation” in 621 AD, and also just one year later Muhammad/Allah(?) started to change the religion totally and fundamentally (from peace to a war religion). Thus this claim is contradicted by the changes in the Quran and in the religion (from quite peaceful to a full-fledged war religion) from around 622 - 624 AD. Islam simply was very much transformed - from peace to thieving/looting, extortion, suppression, rape, slave taking, and blood.

10/64 also totally abrogates the claim about free will for man, as it tells Allah's predestination cannot be changed. And not to forget: If Allah's predestined Plan is unchangeable like the Quran flatly states many places, also prayers are meaningless - they will have no effect on the predestined Plan.

The ironic fact is that this strong statement is proved wrong by even the Quran: There like said were many and deep changes "in the words of Allah" - changes necessary to change Islam from a quite peaceful religion before the flight to Medina in 622 AD, to a full religion of war and dishonesty (included stealing, etc.) from shortly after the arrival in Medina on.

#######As ironic: Both the sentence that there can be no change in Allah's words, and the changed words, rules, etc. from Medina today are central and strong points in Islam.

152 10/68a: "They (Christians*) say: 'Allah (Muhammad wrongly mixed Yahweh and Allah together*) has begotten a son!'" How could this end up in the "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

153 10/71b: "Behold, he (Noah*) said to his people: 'O my People - - -'". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

####154 10/106a: "Nor call on any, other than Allah - - -". Why call on Allah when the Quran is very clear on that nobody and nothing - which includes prayers - can change his predestined Plan, and thus that also prayers just are a waste of time and effort which can have no effect?! That prayers can have effect is a contradiction "par excellence" if it is true that Allah predestines everything and does so according to an unchangeable Plan. One of the most serious of the many contradictions in the Quran in case. (And if predestination is not true, where then is Islam?)

155 11/3b: "- - - turn to Him (Allah*) in repentance - - -". In addition to 11/2a just above: To what avail if it is true what the Quran states again and again that Allah predestines everything, and the predestinations are made according to an unchangeable Plan - a plan nobody and nothing can change?

156 11/3e: "- - - for a term appointed - - -". Predestination - Allah has appointed terms and times for everything according to the Quran.

157 11/12c: "- - - they (contemporaries of Muhammad*) say: 'Why has not a treasure been sent down to him (Muhammad*) - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

#158 11/12f: "It is Allah that arranged all affairs!" Once more: It is Allah who decides and predestines everything - the famous predestination many Muslims deny is more than partly, because if Allah decides everything, it is highly immoral to punish man for his claimed sins, and also the claimed free will of man is an impossibility in case. But many places like here the Quran are 100% categorical: It is Allah who decides and arranges all things!

159 11/20a: "They (opponents to Islam*) will in no wise frustrate (His (Allah's*) design on earth - - -". Once again the predestination: None can change Allah's predestined plans. But it is not true unless Allah exists and is a top god.

160 11/20a: "They (opponents to Islam*) will in no wise frustrate (His (Allah's*) design on earth - - -". Once again the predestination: None can change Allah's predestined plans. But it is not true unless Allah exists and is a top god.

161 11/43c: “The son (of Noah*) replied: 'I will betake myself to some mountain - - -“. How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

162 11/56c: "There is not a moving creature, but He (Allah*) hath grasp in its forelock". = Allah directs it = the predestination once more: Allah decides everything. (To hold the forelocks is an Arab expression for that the one grasped has to obey what you decide. The universal god often uses Arab references, and like here references only Arabs understand if they are not explained. There often are not similar references from other parts of the world - strange for a universal god who has had thousands of prophets all over the world during thousands of years according to the Quran - - - and mostly only Arab references.)

163 11/61g: "- - - ask forgiveness of Him (Allah*), and turn to Him (in repentance) - - -". Why? - if Allah has predestined everything long before according to an Unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states absolutely several places, this just is a waste of time and effort. - especially since the Plan is impossible to change according to several verses in the Quran.

164 11/68c: "For the Thamud rejected their Lord (Allah*) - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

165 11/81c: "- - - but thy (Lot's*) wife (will remain behind (and die*)) - - -". One more contradiction to the Bible: In the Bible nothing like this is said, but she makes the mistake to look behind and dies. In the Quran her death is a result of predestination; Allah had decided it before like so often in the Quran.

166 11/107d: "- - - (Allah*) is the (sure) Accomplisher of what He planneth". = Nothing can change Allah's predestined plan. (But why then f.x. pray to Allah when you have problems - it will change nothing, as nothing can change his predestination? And why go to a doctor if Allah already has decided how your illness will end?)

167 11/104: "- - - for a term appointed". = For a predestined time.

168 11/119b: "- - - for this He (Allah*) created them". The Quran tells different places that Allah created some for Hell and some for Paradise, and this decision Allah made 5 months before you were born according to Hadiths, cannot be changed - no matter what you want or wish or pray or do you in reality have no chance against his decisions and predestination. Some difference from the Bible and a lot of other religions.

169 11/123c: "- - - and to Him (Allah*) goeth back every affair (for decision) - - -". = Allah decides everything. We are back to the "fact" of total predestination - "everything" - a "fact" many Muslims deny or try to explain away, as it means Allah is highly immoral when ha punishes someone for bad deeds he himself has decided they should do.

Also remember that Allah's total predestination is one more strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

170 12/8b: "They (Joseph's brothers - here except Benjamin*) said: "Truly Joseph and his brother (Benjamin*) are loved more by our father (Jacob*) - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

171 12/43b: "The king (= pharaoh*) of (Egypt) said: '- - - Expound to me - - -'". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

172 12/80b: "- - - they (the brothers*) held a conference in private". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

173 13/2j: "He (Allah*) doth regulate all affairs - - -". = Allah decides everything (and this he does by predestining every detail in life and in the world according to his unchangeable Plan according to other verses in the Quran). Often claimed, never proved.

174 13/2k: "He (Allah*) doth regulate all affairs - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says that Yahweh regulates a lot - though not like in the Quran where the claimed god regulates absolutely everything, so that f.x. free will of man, forgiving, and the value of prayers just are illusions, if true. And what is the situation if the claims about total predestination are not true? Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

175 13/6b: "They (non-Muslims*) ask thee (Muhammad*) to hasten - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

176 13/11b: "Verily never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves (with their own souls) - - -". But how can they change anything themselves, if it is true that Allah decides absolutely everything and according to an unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states many places? (For Muhammad it was essential to make Allah seem fair by claiming that man had free will and thus himself was to blame for bad deeds. But the good Muhammad was never able to combine this with another claim he needed to have many and daring warriors; predestination. Even Islam admits it is not possible to combine the two (but claims very lamely, that all the same it must be true as it is said so in the Quran - it is beyond the incredible what believers are able to believe if they just want to believe it (if it is Iblis/the Devil who is behind the Quran, perhaps he knew what he did anyhow.)

177 13/14b: "- - - prayer - - -". But why pray, if it is true like the Quran claims that Allah predestines everything long time before, and that his predestinations are made according to a Plan which nobody and nothing can change? If predestination is true, prayers just are a waste of time and effort in Islam. (If Allah's Plan is unchangeable, ha also cannot forgive.)

178 13/14f: "- - - the prayer from those without Faith is nothing but (futile) wandering (in the mind)". Something like praying to a god who most likely does not exist - never any proofs neither for his power, nor for his existence, and his "holy" book so full of errors, that no god would have touched it, not to mention put his name behind/on/in it or revered it in his "home" as a "mother book" (13/39, 43/4 below). Not to mention prayer to a god who predestines everything years and decades before, so prayers just are naive waste of time - if the claims about predestination are true (and if not, Islam does not exist anymore - except as a made up pagan religion).

179 13/31d: "- - - the command is with Allah in all things!" = Allah decides everything - we in reality are back to his claimed predestination and Plan. Often claimed, never proved. There actually are strong circumstantial proofs for that the quoted words are wrong.

180 13/31j: "- - - He (Allah*) could have guided all mankind - - -". If this were true, it would tell volumes about the good and benevolent god who instead sends the majority of the humanity - and jinns - to Hell, (by means of his predestination).

181 14/10g: "- - - respite for a time appointed!" The predestination again - Allah has decided, and nothing can change his Plan.

182 14/10i: "They (the non-Muslims*) said (to the claimed messengers*): 'Ah! Ye are no more than humans - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

183 14/22b: "- - - reproach your (sinners'*) own souls (for sinning*)". Why? Why, when the Quran so clearly and so often states that Allah decides everything and has 100% predestination? It was Allah who decided that you should sin - how can he then punish you for it when he forced you to do it? As for "free will for man" which the Quran and Muslims blame, that is not even theoretically possible when there is full predestination by Allah - even Islam has given in explaining how that can be possible. (But Islam cannot drop the claimed free will - for one thing there then will be more mistakes in the Quran, and the religion and the god false ones, and for another Allah then will be a morally very bad god, punishing man for sins he himself has forced them to do. Therefore they say: "Even if it is impossible, it all the same must be true, because Allah says so in the Quran" (A6/141) - likely the lamest of all "explanations" you meet from Islam. In the immaterial sphere of existence there are things impossible even for omnipotent gods.) Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, and 7/34a above and not least 16/35e below.

184 14/39e: "- - - the Hearer of Prayer (here indicated Allah*)!" One thing is that Allah can hear no prayers unless he exists. Another: Prayers what for - if what the Quran tells that Allah predestines everything years and decades and more on beforehand, and that nothing can change his predestination, prayers just is naive waste of time in Islam - they can change nothing.

185 15/5: “Neither can a people anticipate its term (date when its luck or life runs out - their day of death*), nor delay it”. No matter what people do, they cannot foresee or influence their predestined date of death. Clear predestination - - - except what about self murderers - they decide when to die themselves(?) Another point: As you see it is not dangerous to go on raids or into battle - you will not die until the time Allah has predestined. (Believe it if you are able to - possible only if you know nothing about f.x. probability or statistical proofs.

186 15/6b: "They (non-Muslims opposing Muhammad*) say: 'O thou (Muhammad*) - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

187 15/30-31: "So the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together: Not so Iblis - - -". This verse makes trouble for Islam as it mentions Iblis among the angels. It is nowhere directly said what kind of being Iblis - the Devil - was/is. Here it is indicated that he was one of the angels. But Allah created the angels from light, whereas it is clearly stated a couple of places in the Quran that Iblis was created from fire, and in that case he should be a jinn. It may also be added that many Muslims mean that all this was threat arranged by Allah to fulfill his great Plan - Iblis could not make a Hell against Allah's will, as Allah is omnipotent. Hell thus must be a part of Allah's Plan, and Iblis' disobedience part of Allah's total predestination. But what does that in case tell about the merciful and benevolent god Allah

188 15/42b: "Over My (Allah's*) servants (man/Muslims*) no authority shalt thou (Iblis/the Devil*) have, except such as put themselves in the wrong - - -". But how can anyone "put themselves in the wrong" if the Quran tells the truth when it many places claims that Allah decides everything? Muslims will tell you about man's free will, but if Allah decides everything, man has not free will - and if man had free will, Allah cannot be entirely omniscient (because f.x. after Allah says "now I know the future" man always can change his mind once more if he has free will - - - which means Allah's knowledge is wrong). Islam has given in finding an answer to this impossibility - only lamely says that it has to be true as it is said so in the Quran(!!) They forget that some of the immaterial laws are absolute even for omnipotent gods (an easy example we have mentioned before: One mathematical 1 + one mathematical 1 can give only one answer even for gods - the mathematical 2). There are things which are impossible also for omnipotent gods - f.x. to combine Allah's total predestination many times stated in the Quran, with full or partly free will for man. Or the other way around. Something is seriously wrong here.

189 15/70b: "They (the men of Sodom*) said: 'Did we not forbid thee (Lot*) - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

190 15/84: "- - - to no avail to them was all that they did - - -". Nobody can evade Allah's predestination. At least not according to the Quran.

191 16/1b: "(Inevitable) commeth (to pass) the Command of Allah - - -". It is inevitable only if:

  1. If Allah exists - but with all which is wrong in the Quran also this may be wrong (Muhammad after all just took over a pagan god, al-Lah, and claimed he was not pagan.
  2. If Allah in case he exists and is a major god, is correctly described in the Quran - again; with all which is wrong in the Quran, there might be mistakes also here, especially as all the mistakes makes it clear that the book and hence the description is not made by a god, and perhaps even more so as Allah was a peaceful god as long as Muhammad was in Mecca, but became a war god when Muhammad started to gain power and needed warriors in Medina. The change in the god in 622 - 624 AD is very striking, but never mentioned by Muslims or Islam. As the surahs from Mecca - some 85-90 - and the ones from Medina - some 22-28 (there are some one does not know the age of, though one believe one knows from which period) are mixed helter-skelter in the Quran, it is a bit difficult for readers who do not know the book well, to see this. But if you first read the surahs from Mecca, and then the ones from Medina separately, it is very easy to see this change from a peaceful to a war religion. And the point here is: An eternal god cannot change that much in just 1-2 years from Muhammad's arrival in Medina. At least one of the descriptions has to be wrong. Which of the descriptions - if any - is correct? Mecca and peaceful? - or Medina and dishonesty and blood, stealing and terror?
  3. If the Quran's claims about total predestination are correct (but in that case man has no free will, no matter what the Quran says about this - there are some of the immaterial laws which are impossible to break even for omnipotent gods), then something is very wrong in the Quran.

192 16/9d: "- - - He (Allah*) could have guided all of you (man*)." If this had been true, what would it tell about the good and benevolent god that he let and lets millions of humans and jinns end in Hell each year, just because he will not guide them? - Not to mention if all that is a result of his predestination!?

193 16/24f: "- - - they (contemporaries of Muhammad*) say, 'Tales of the ancient". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

194 16/28b: "- - - wrongdoing to their (sinners') own souls". But how is it possible that humans can be sinners, if it is Allah and his total predestination who forces them to do it? The Quran many places states absolutely that Allah decides and predestines everything and according to a Plan nobody and nothing can change!

195 16/33c: "But Allah wronged them (the sinners*) not: nay, they wronged their own souls". This is wrong if Allah decides everything - predestination - like the Quran strongly states several places. It may be correct if man has free will - but then Allah is not omniscient. (Muhammad (Allah?) needed predestination to get fierce and willing warriors - you did not die until Allah had decided, and then you could as well go to war and win wealth and women and slaves and merit in Heaven, as sleep in your bed. And he needed free will for man for his little cultivated and proudly free tribe people and even more for making punishment morally possible for a claimed good and benevolent and fair god. And unbelievably he was able to use both, even though they are impossible to combine even for gods. It is unbelievable what you can make people believe when they wish and want to believe - or are brainwashed and not really thinking.

195 16/35c: "The worshippers of false gods say (to among others Muhammad*): 'If Allah had so willed - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

### 197 16/35e: YA here has an interesting comment (YA2057: "- - - the limited free will granted to man, which is the whole basis of Ethics". The Quran claims man has free will. As this obviously is wrong, as Allah predestines everything, some Muslims try to save the day by adjusting it to that the book and Allah in reality mean limited free will, something the Quran definitely nowhere says. The flat reality, though, is that if Allah decides and predestines everything, like the Quran states MANY places, there is nothing left for man to decide. Thus also "limited free will" is an impossibility. Worse: The fact that if Allah decides everything, means there is nothing left for man to decide, is such a simple mathematics, that it is not possible YA and all other learned Muslims do not know it. x - x = 0. There exists no other possible answer. All the same they use this argument - and many simpleminded or uneducated or wishful believers believe it. You meet a little too much of this kind of dishonesty in Islamic literature.

## But the really interesting point just here, is that YA clearly states the obvious: If man has no free will, all ethical questions concerning him disappears. What you are forced to do, tells nothing about your ethics. But on the other hand it tells a lot about the ethics of the one who forces you to do it. Not to mention what it tells about the ethics of the one forcing you, if he punishes you for bad things he has forced you to do. Allah predestines everything according to his Plan, according to the Quran. All the same Allah punishes you for the bad deeds he forced you to do to follow his Plan. What kind of god is this?!!

Thus Islam has at least four problems concerning predestination where the contradictions are so strong, that they are unsolvable even for an omniscient and omnipotent god:

  1. If Allah predestines everything like the Quran states most clearly many places, there is no room for free will of man, not even for "partly free will". x - x = 0 simply, and no other answer is possible. (Also full clairvoyance from Allah would be impossible - with free will man always could change his mind once more.) It also is symptomatic that we no place in Muslim literature have met an explanation for how "partly free will" should be possible. Like so much in Islam, it just is a claim hanging on nothing.
  2. If Allah predestines everything, and you thus just do what he has decided you shall do, how is it then ethically and morally possible to punish you for bad deeds? - and for that case reward you for good deeds? What kind of god is this?!
  3. And the third problem - one Muslims and Islam NEVER mention: If Allah predestines everything, and does so according to his unchangeable Plan like the Quran states many places - and decides it even years and decades before it is to happen (your death and whether you are to end in Hell or Heaven f.x. are decided 5 months before you are born according to Hadiths) - there is no value in prayers, as prayers like everything else can have no effect on his decisions made according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change.
  4. And a fourth problem: Also forgiving means to change Allah's Plan - which "nobody and nothing can do". "Ergo" to ask for forgiving is meaningless, as it is asking Allah change his predestined Plan for you. If Allah's full predestination is true, the Quran's talk about forgiving and effect of prayers are untrue.
  5. And we may mention a fifth problem: If nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan, also the pilgrimage to Mecca is without any effect, and thus invalid and meaningless. Thus only because of this fundamental point in the Quran - full predestination - two of the claimed pillars carrying Islam - prayer and pilgrimage to Mecca - are without effect and value, and thus meaningless.

These are the reasons why you meet Muslims claiming that Allah's predestinations are not real predestinations, without explaining what it then is - and in stark contradiction to many clear statements in the Quran. And why you meet Muslims claiming the impossible - and like so often in Islam without logical explanation for how it is possible - that man has free will or at least partly free will, in spite of the 100% predestination stated frequently in the Quran, "because the claim has to be true because Allah says so in the Quran".

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

To summarize some effects of Allah's total predestination:

  • 1. Free will for man is not possible, this no matter what the Quran and Islam say.
  • 2. Forgiving is not possible - it will change Allah's Plan.
  • 3. Prayers cannot have any effect, as such an effect will change Allah's unchangeable Plan.
  • 4. Pilgrimaes cannot have any effect, assuch an effect will change Allah's unchangeable Plan.
  • 5. Trials of humans are without meaning, as Allah knows and has predestined everything on befoerhand.
  • 6. If your bad deeds are predestined by Allah, like the Quran claims, punishment is immoral.
  • 7. If your good deeds are predestined by Allah, like the Quran claims, reward is theatre.
  • 8. How can man sin if it is Allah's total predestination which forces him to do what he does?

198 16/50b: "- - - and they (all living beings and angels*) do all that they are commanded". Allah decides literally absolutely everything for everyone and everything everywhere. Predestination. But is the sentence true?

199 16/61e: "- - - when their (people's*) (predestined*) Term expires, they would not be able to delay (the punishment) for a single hour - - -". Allah's predestinations are absolute - nothing can change it. (Then why f.x. pray to Allah when in difficulties? - Allah already has decided what is going to happen, and nothing can change his decisions.) Also remember this when Islam talks about free will for man - see 3/154 and 14/22b above.

#200 16/61f: "- - - when their (people's*) (predestined*) Term expires, they would not be able to delay (the punishment) for a single hour - - -". Not even by sincere prayers? Also there is no reason for using medicine, or stop the bleeding of a wound - Allah has long since predestined if you will survive or not.

201 16/63d: "- - - but Satan made, (to the wicked), their own acts seem alluring - - -". But how could this happen, when the Quran so clearly states that Allah decides - even predestines and according to his unchangeable Plan - everything? Remember that free will for man is one of the things not possible even for an omnipotent god if there is full predestination - not even limited free will. (This is one more claim which is wrong in the Quran). See 14/22b above.

But who's acts are made alluring, if it in reality is Iblis/Satan who is behind the Quran? And remember that lots of points in the Quran - especially in the surahs from Medina -and f.x. in the moral code may indicate that this was the real maker. (Compare to "do to others like you want others do to you", and judge for yourself.

202 16/101d: "(When Muhammad abrogates - makes invalid - older verses with new ones*) They (non-Muslims*) say - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones).

Besides: How come that an omniscient god did not make perfect rules at once, but had to abrogate and change them. Did he have to try and fail? Or was he undecided and f.x. found that some of his early rules and demands were too human and too little harsh and bloody? And there is the problem with free will for man (and perhaps for all animals - at least the primates?)If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

203 17/13b: "Every man's fate - - -". In just this case it is likely Muhammad has forgotten about predestination, and refers to the claimed list of punishable sins versus good deeds, which he claimed would decide whether you will end in Paradise or Hell. He never even tried to explain how it was possible to combine full predestination with free will - and thus fair punishment for sins - for man, and Islam today admits they are unable to explain it. "But it must all the same be true, because it is said so in the Quran", is the unbelievable "explanation" (A6/141).

204 17/47d: "- - - the wicked (opponents of Muhammad*) say: "Ye (Muslims*) follow - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

205 17/58c: "- - - the (eternal) Record - - -" = in this case Allah's Plan. With other words: Allah has predestined and put into his book, and what is written there, is going to happen - no-one can change Allah's predestination and Plan. BUT WHY DOES AN OMNISCIENT GOD NEED A RECORD?

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#####206 17/59a: "And we (Allah*) refrain from sending Signs (Quran-speak for "proofs for Allah"), only because the men of former generations treated them as false - - -".

This is Muhammad's standard "explanation" for why Allah would not and Muhammad himself was unable to give any real proofs for the existence of Allah or for Muhammad's connection to a god - Allah or someone else. And it is not a good one, as for one thing it obviously is not true:

  1. There were stories both in the Bible and in the Quran - f.x. the sorcerers of Pharaoh Ramses II and Moses - about people believing in the performed miracles/real proofs (if true stories).
  2. Muhammad knew about at least some of the stories about the miracles Jesus performed, and how huge flocks of believers he got from the miracles.
  3. It is not only contra, but incompatible to, human nature and psychology that not a good percentage of the ones who witnessed real miracles/proofs would not come to believe.

Muhammad was intelligent and he understood people and how to manipulate them. He knew this. But he obviously was unable to find a better excuse - there are not many excuses which would work. But remember that dishonesty is an accepted working tool in Islam - f.x. al-Taqiyya.

What is really strange, is that Muslims have not seen through this "explanation" centuries ago, and still are unable to do so.

This is a monument over the effect of brainwashing, of wishful thinking, of ability to refuse to see the obvious, of lack of ability/training in critical thinking, uncritical acceptance of authorities, and more. A monument over the weak point of the human brain - and over taqlid (blindly and unquestioning believing because your fathers said that this and this - f.x. the Quran - must be the truth, because so their fathers had told them).

There are many such cases in the Quran. The three most prominent and serious effects may be the impossible combination of full predestination like the Quran states many places, and free will of man, and the as impossible combination of full predestination, and claims about any effect of prayers or forgiving.

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207 17/75: "In that case We (Allah*) - - -". This means there existed alternatives. But how was that possible if Allah predestines everything and every detail in a Plan not possible to change, like the Quran claims many places. (Remember here that full predestination and at the same time free will for man is not possible - not even for an omniscient and omnipotent god. In the immaterial parts of reality there are lines not possible to cross even for gods - and predestination vs. free will for man is a version of "the time travel paradox", a paradox which is proved insolvable.

208 17/90b: “They (non-Muslims*) say: ‘We shall not believe in thee (Muhammad*) - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

209 17/99g: "- - - He (Allah*) has decreed a term appointed - - -". The predestination once more: Allah has decided a fixed time for it - and no-one can change his Plan, according to the Quran. PS: What then about free will for man?

210 18/4c: "- - - those (also) who say, 'Allah hath begotten a son'". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, 7/34a, and 14/22b above.

211 18/27f: "- - - none can change His (Allah's*) words - - -". This in reality refers to Allah's claimed predestination and Plan. Allah predestines absolutely everything, and does so according to a Plan he has, and nothing can change that plan . If this is true, man has no free will, and Allah in case is extremely unjust and sadistic to punish humans for things he has forced them to do - - - and it also is meaningless to pray to Allah for help, because his predestinations and his Plan nothing and nobody can change. (Free will for humans one tries to explain with that it must be true anyhow, as Allah says so in the Quran. Why it anyhow pays to pray to Allah when nothing can change his predestined Plan anyhow, we have never seen explained.)

212 18/58e: “- - - but they (non-Muslims*) have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge.” Predestination once more: Allah has decided when their end will come.

213 18/58f: "- - - appointed time - - -". = Predestination. This is one more 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Yahweh can decide that things are going to happen, and make it happen. But predestination like Allah uses 100% according to the Quran, does not at all exist.

214 18/59b: “- - - We (Allah*) fixed an appointed time for their destruction”. Predestination. Humans may do this or that, but Allah decides.

215 18/59c: "- - - appointed time - - -". = Predestination. This is one more 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Yahweh can decide that things are going to happen, and make it happen. But predestination like Allah uses 100% according to the Quran, does not at all exist.

216 18/63b: "He (the attendant*) replied: 'Sawest thou - - -'". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

217 19/4b: "(Zakariyya prayed*): O my Lord (here indicated Allah*)!" How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

218 19/71d: "- - - a Decree which must be accomplished". The predestination - What Allah has decided must happen, because his Plan cannot be changed by anyone or anything.

219 19/84d: "- - - We (Allah*) but count out to them (non-Muslims*) a (limited) number (of days)". Once more the predestination - Allah has decided how long - or short - they are to live (according to Hadiths he does so 5 months before you are born, and at the same time he decides if you are going to end in Heaven or Hell). And if they live a good life; remember that this only is for a short time, and sooth yourself: They will be strictly punished in the next life.

220 20/49b: "(Pharaoh) said: 'Who then, O Moses - - -'". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

221 20/82c: "- - - I (Allah*) am (also) He that forgives - - -". But what effect can (prayers for) forgiving have in Islam? If everything is predestined according to Allah's unchangeable Plan, forgiving can change nothing - what is decided years and decades ago, will happen no matter.

#####The point is that to forgive - or for that case to punish or reward or fulfill prayers - means for Allah to change his Plan considering the sinner/person, which according to the Quran is something nobody and nothing can make him do. See 2/187d above. If full predestination is true, like the Quran states MANY places, neither free will for man, nor forgiving can exist, and prayers have no meaning - everything is predestined and cannot be changed. Of course you may say that also f.x. the forgiving was predestined, but then it is not religion any more, but threat.

222 20/85a: "- - - tested - - -". Why did a predestining, omniscient god have to test anyone?

223 20/88a: "- - - they (some of Moses' Jews*) said: 'This is your god - - -'". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

224 20/110a: "He (Allah*) knows what (appears to his creatures as) before or after or behind them - - -". Allah knows and predestines everything. But why then does he have to test even his own followers??

225 20/127a: "- - - thus do we (Allah*) recompense him who transgress beyond bonds and believes not in our signs - - -". Not unless Allah exists, and is something supernatural. (He is not a god if he is behind the Quran - too much is wrong in that book - but he may well punish if he belongs to the dark forces.)

But how can Allah recompense - punish (or for that case reward) - without changes in his predestined Plan? - changes which are impossible, according to several verses in the Quran.

226 20/129a: “Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy (Muslims‘*) Lord (Allah*), (their punishment) must necessarily have come; but there is a Term appointed (for respite)”. Allah has decided the time (according to his Plan), and cannot change it - may be to give the culprits a chance to become Muslims, but other places the Quran tells Allah makes it hard or impossible for some non-Muslims to find the way to Allah. Predestination.

227 20/129b: "- - - a term appointed - - -". Predestination again. Allah predestines every detail in your and everybody's life - included for all animals and all inanimate existence. And the predestination is not possible to change - - - which means no free will for man, no effect of prayer, forgiving not possible, etc.

228 20/131b: "- - - We (Allah*) test them (people*) - - -". The old question: Why does a predestining, omniscient god need to test anyone at all - - -.

229 21/1d: "- - - yet they (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) heed not (the Quran/Islam*) and they turn away." How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

230 21/4d: "He (Allah*) is the one who heareth and knoweth (all things)". Why then does a predestining, omniscient god have to test his followers? There is no logic in it - not unless the real story was that Muhammad wanted warriors and needed a way to explain his demands (plus explaining away hardship in life).

231 21/29c: "- - - such a one (other gods*) We should reward with Hell - - -". Only possible if Allah exists, and if the other one in addition is not a real god - but then what about f.x. Yahweh? (if the old books, included the Quran, tell the truth).

Besides it is not possible for Allah neither to reward nor to punish anyone unless this means changes to his Predestined Plan. But this Plan nothing and nobody can change, according to the Quran.

And there is a moral question: Made up gods were made up by humans. The Quran tells that at the day of Doom they will be given life, and here it is said they will end in Hell. BUT HOW CAN IT BE MORALLY JUST TO SEND THEM TO HELL WHEN THEY THEMSELVES HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG? IT WAS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO PREVENT WHAT HUMANS DID - AND ON TOP OF ALL DEEDS PREDESTINED BY ALLAH, IF THE QURAN TELLS THE TRUTH WHEN IT SAYS THAT EVERYTHING IS PREDESTINED BY ALLAH.

232 21/40b: "- - - nor will they (non-Muslims*) (then) get respite". Predestination - Allah decides everything, and nothing can change his predestined Plan. Or may be simply a threat - see 3/77b above.

233 21/55a: "They (Abraham's people*) said, 'Have you - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

234 22/14h: "- - - for Allah carries out all that He plans". Allah plans and no-one can change his plans. Predestination is central in the Quran, and especially in the later (chronologically) surahs (which may have to do with Muhammad's need for warriors. But if full predestination is true - like the Quran stresses several places - it kills several other central points in Islam, included 2 or 3 of its pillars, as they become meaningless or irrelevant or without value by the claimed "fact" that nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan.

235 24/57a: "Never think thou that the Unbelievers are going to frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth - - -". The Quran makes it very clear many places the Allah predestines absolutely everything, that the predestinations are according to his Plan, and that nobody or nothing can change his Plan (by the way: Why then spill time and energy on praying to him for help or a better future, if everything is predestined already and nothing can change his Plan?).

It also is very clear that the goal is total world dominance.

236 24/57b: "- - - (Allah's Plan) - - -". According to many places in the Quran, Allah predestines absolutely everything in this world - it was the only world Muhammad knew about (except that he claimed there were 6 more - according to Hadiths they lay underneath the pancake Earth). This predestination is absolute, and nobody and nothing can change anything. Everything also is predestined long time before - the time of your death and whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven (!) are f.x. predestined when a fetus is 4 months old - 5 months before it is born - according to Hadiths. And everything is predestined in accordance with Allah's Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. (What about free will for man or effect of prayers or forgiving? - or pilgrimage?)

237 24/63b: (YA3048): “Deem not the summons of the Messenger (Muhammad*) among yourself like the summons of one of you to another: Allah doth know those of you who slip away under shelter of some excuse - - -.” But the old consonant alphabet also gives 2 more possible variants: “Do not think that the prayer of the Prophet of Allah is like your ordinary requests to another: the Prophet’s prayers will be about serious matters and will be accepted by Allah.” (What then about Allah's predestined Plan, which nobody and nothing can make him change?) And: “Do not address the Prophet familiarly as thou would address one another: use proper terms of respect for him.” These meanings vary wildly – but all are correct according to the unfinished Arab alphabet of ca. 650 AD. Clear and distinct language in the Quran?

238 21/76b: “We (Allah*) listened to his (Noah’s*) (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress (= Allah saved Noah’s family from the flood*)”. But:

  1. 11/43: “- - - and the son (of Noah*) was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.” Noah just had 3 sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth – 1. Mos. 7/13, and not contradicted by the Quran – and he lost one of them. In addition it is clear from another place in the Quran that also his wife ended in Hell. That is not “saved Noah’s family”. (In the Bible Noah lost no son and his wife was not condemned to Hell.)

2 solid contradictions compared to the Bible. Besides: As the Quran is not from a god with all its mistakes, etc., the only source for information about Noah is the Bible. From where then did Muhammad get his claimed information not in the Bible? Similar claim in 37/76.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

But one really serious point: The Quran hers says that "“We (Allah*) listened to his (Noah’s*) (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress" = Allah delivered Noah from distress because Noah prayed for it. Noah was delivered from distress not because that was part of Allah's Plan, but because of Noah's prayer. As it was not part of Allah's Plan, this means that Noah's prayer changed Allah's Plan, something which according to many points in the Quran "nobody and nothing can do".

And remember here that even a small change in life or nature or anything, changes the entire future. Sometime it changes only minor details, other times much. This prayer from Noah in case changes the entire future of the humanity and the world. In this case there only were two things Allah could do: Save Noah and his family, or not save them. As the Quran states that Allah saved them because of Noah's prayers, this means that this was not a part of Allah's Plan. Thus the only alternative is that Allah's Plan was a future earth without humans, or with creating a new human race. This is a change so big, that it made any fixed and unchangeable Plan entirely invalid. At best Allah had to make a totally new one, at worst he has a not working old plan.

THE SAME WILL TO A LARGER OR SMALLER DEGREE BE THE CASE BECAUSE OF EACH AND EVERY DEVIATION FROM ANY FIXED AND PREDESTINED PLAN. MICROSCOPIC OR BIG, ANY CHANGE WILL CHANGE THE ENTIRE FUTURE AND MAKE ANY FIXED, UNCHANGEABLE PLAN INVALID. THIS EVEN MORE SO AS EVEN SMALL CHANGES ACCUMULATE THE EFFECTS AND MAY GIVE MACRO EFFECTS. THE UNAVOIDABLE DOMINO EFFECT + THE POSSIBLE BUTTERFLY EFFECT + THE EFFECT BECAUSE DIFFERENT EFFECTS MAY COMBINE.

SO MUCH FOR THE LOGIC AND THE REALISM BEHIND THE CLAIMS THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE F.X. FORGIVING, EFFECT OF PRAYER, OR FREE WILL FOR MAN WITH FULL PREDESTINATION BY ALLAH. (ONLY POSSIBLE IN OCCULTISM, MADE UP LEGENDS, AND FAIRY TALES.)

239 21/111: "- - - a trial - - -". Why does a predestining, omniscient god need to put people through trials? - especially meaningless if he has predestined the outcome himself, and the Quran many places states that Allah predestines everything and according to his Plan - a Plan nothing and nobody can change. Also see 8/28a above.

240 22/3b: "Yet among men (at the time of Muhammad*) there are such as dispute about Allah". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

241 22/10a: "- - - the deeds which thy hands sent forth - - -". = Your good and bad deeds in life - here like many other places in the Quran your deeds are claimed to be decided from your free will, in spite of all the clear statements about Allah's predestination of absolutely everything.

242 22/14h: "- - - for Allah carries out all that He plans". Allah plans and no-one can change his plans. Predestination is central in the Quran, and especially in the later (chronologically) surahs (which may have to do with Muhammad's need for warriors. But if full predestination is true - like the Quran stresses several places - it kills several other central points in Islam, included 2 or 3 of its pillars, as they become meaningless or irrelevant or without value by the claimed "fact" that nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan.

243 22/18h: "- - - for Allah carries out all He wills". Predestination and Allah's Plan which no-one can change. Similar to 22/14d above. Also see 3/154 and 14/22b above. (How can he then blame and punish - or reward humans? It actually is dishonesty if a person does what Allah has predestined, and then is punished or rewarded for what they did. Oh, we know the Quran talks like predestination and free will for man is possible to combine - a claim necessary for Muhammad - but that is pure mysticism, dishonesty, and impossible also for a god.)

244 22/26e: "- - - prostrate themselves (Muslims*) (therein in prayer)". What is the mission of prayers in Islam? If the statements in the Quran telling that Allah predestines everything on beforehand - years and decades and more before - and according to an unchangeable Plan, prayers can have no effect, because they can change nothing.

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

245 22/4b: "- - - the Penalty of the Fire". But how can a fair god punish anybody for doing what he has predestined them to do?! - the Quran several places states that Allah predestines everything, and that nobody can change what he has predestined (the Quran also claims that man has free will, but to combine full predestination for Allah with even a tiny little free will for man, is impossible even for a god - the two are mutually excluding each others, and maximum one of the statements can be true.) Also see 3/77b above.

###246 22/27b: “And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men - - -.” See 22/27a above. If everything is predestined, a pilgrimage can do just as little and is just as meaningless as a prayer.

##247 22/29a: “- - - the rites (during Hajj pilgrimage in Mecca*) prescribed for them (Muslims*) - - -“. The rites in Mecca during Hajj are all taken over from the pagan/heathen times in Arabia – and in addition they are ever so childish and primitive; run 7 times back and forth between 2 small hills, walk 7 times around a building, throw some stones at a mark impersonating the devil, and kill one or more helpless animals for sacrifice, those are the main acts.

  1. Who prescribed old pagan rites to be the only right ones for the presumed only, real god?
  2. Who prescribed so shallow and childish rites for a presumed unfathomable, “deep” god?
  3. Who prescribed that neither any rites from anywhere else in the world nor something new and soul-sustaining from Allah ought to be used in a presumed world religion – only the old, primitive pagan rites of the heathen old Arabia?

Another point is that there can be no effect of a pilgrimage, if it is true that Allah has predestined your whole life even before you were born, and this included in his Plan which nobody and nothing can change.

##248 22/29a: “- - - the rites (during Hajj pilgrimage in Mecca*) prescribed for them (Muslims*) - - -“. The rites in Mecca during Hajj are all taken over from the pagan/heathen times in Arabia – and in addition they are ever so childish and primitive; run 7 times back and forth between 2 small hills, walk 7 times around a building, throw some stones at a mark impersonating the devil, and kill one or more helpless animals for sacrifice, those are the main acts.

  1. Who prescribed old pagan rites to be the only right ones for the presumed only, real god?
  2. Who prescribed so shallow and childish rites for a presumed unfathomable, “deep” god?
  3. Who prescribed that neither any rites from anywhere else in the world nor something new and soul-sustaining from Allah ought to be used in a presumed world religion – only the old, primitive pagan rites of the heathen old Arabia?

Another point is that there can be no effect of a pilgrimage, if it is true that Allah has predestined your whole life even before you were born, and this included in his Plan which nobody and nothing can change.

249 22/32c: "- - - such honor (to sacrifice animals*) should come truly (definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim*) from the piety of heart". The sacrifices are to prove this piety of heart - but how come that an omniscient god needs the slaughtering of animals to believe you?

Another fact is that even if man had only a tenth of 1% free will, so that he himself could decide about doing this, after not much time the laws of chaos had destroyed both Allah's precognition and his predestinations - just ask f.x. any statistician or scientist. Free will for man (and f.x. any effect of prayer or forgiving) combined with full predestination by Allah, only is possible in occultism, mysticism, made up legends, fairy tales, etc. - this no matter what the Quran or Islam claims.

250 22/33c: "- - - for a time appointed - - -". Predestination again. Many Muslims say there is not full predestination in the Quran (because then man has no free will, and Allah is immoral and unjust when he rewards and even worse when he punishes for deeds you have done), even though they never explain what there then is. They should read the Quran - there is no doubt whatsoever about that Allah decides every detail about everything - - - and thus that free will for man (or animals) is an impossibility.

251 22/34c: "- - - the sustenance He (Allah*) gave - - -". Everything you have is a gift from Allah (but as Allah has predestined what you are to get, then why work? - if it is predestined that you will get it, you will get it anyhow).

This claim is often repeated in the Quran, but never proved anywhere.

252 22/37a: “It is not their (the sacrificial animals*) meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him - - -“. Does an omniscient god have to see you killing helpless animals to see that you are a pious believer? – not if he really is omniscient. If Allah really is omniscient and if the only purpose with sacrificing animals is to prove your piety, then the sacrifice in reality is without meaning, as an omniscient god all the time knows very well whether you are a pious believer or not. Actually the Quran many places makes it absolutely clear that Allah knows also the innermost corners of even the deepest parts of your soul. To what avail and what meaning and what logic is a “test” or a “proof” of your piety, if Allah already knows the answer on beforehand? - and by the way: The same goes for testing your piety in war and battle and kill and be killed, something that even was meaningless if Allah were a good god - not to mention if he knows the answer already. Even worse: What is the purpose and what is the meaning of such slaughtering if Allah really predestines everything? - if he has predestined that you shall sacrifice a sheep or a camel, then it is not even a test of tour piety; it only is Allah playing a childish, bloody and meaningless game. And exactly the same goes for testing you in war.

##253 22/41f: "- - - with Allah rests the end (and decision) of (all) affairs". There is no doubt; Allah decides and predestines EVERYTHING. Muslims trying to explain this away to give man some free will and thus make Allah less immoral when he punishes for bad deeds or rewards good ones, should read the Quran.

254 22/45a: "How many populations have We (Allah*) destroyed - - -" The Quran claims that Allah had destroyed more or less innumerable cultures and peoples and tribes because they sinned - Allah is no benevolent and forgiving god, especially if he predestines everything like the Quran claims, and then punish man for things Allah forced him to do (if Allah predestines, man's full or partly free will is non-existing - only an impossible and never proved claim Muhammad used to explain away Allah's harshness and injustice in such cases - even Islam and its scholars (f.x. A6/141) admit it is impossible to understand how predestination by Allah should be possible to combine with full or partly free will for man: If Allah decides everything, and his decisions are final like the Quran claims, there is nothing left for man to decide.

255 22/47b: "Yet they (skeptics*) ask thee (Muhammad) - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

256 22/48e: "To Me (Allah*) is the destination (of all)". There is no doubt; Allah decides and predestines EVERYTHING. Muslims trying to explain this away to give man some free will and thus make Allah less immoral when he punishes for bad deeds, should read the Quran.

257 22/53a: "- - - a trial - - -". But why? No omniscient god needs a trial of anybody, as he knows everything - and even more so if he predestines everything like the Quran claims (but never prove). Also see 8/28a above.

258 22/76b: “- - - to Allah go back all questions (for decision).” It is Allah who decides everything = full predestination - how can he then judge non-Muslims and bad Muslims to Hell for being forced/led to do what they believed they decided themselves, but which in reality were Allah’s decisions? (This is the reason why many Muslims try to explain away predestination.)

259 23/2b: "- - - prayers - - -". If it is true what the Quran clearly states many places, that Allah predestines absolutely everything in life according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change - and predestines it years and decades and more in advance, what is then the meaning and benefit from prayers in Islam - or for that case pilgrimage? - it can change nothing anyhow.

##260 23/9b: "- - - those who strictly guard their prayers - - -". The Quran has a central dogma which is confirmed many places in the Quran and in Hadiths: Allah predestines everything in this world - everything. This he does long time before it happens - years and decades and even more; 5 months before you are even born he according to Hadiths f.x. decides when you are going to die and whether you are going to end in Heaven or Hell. And his predestinations he makes according to his unchangeable Plan - a Plan nobody and nothing can change. This dogma was fine for Muhammad when he wanted to recruit warriors, which he needed lots and lots of after Islam was changed from a peaceful religion to a religion of war in 622 - 624 AD (Allah changed his mind about the value of peace and humanity contra war and power and terror and apartheid and stolen riches and slaves?)

But this is incompatible with at least 2 other central dogmas in the religion: Free will for man and prayers - and for that case with the dogma of forgiving:

The debated one is the dogma of free will for man. If Allah predestines everything, free will for man is an illusion, and humans are just puppets-on-a-string playing Allah's threat. But if that is the case, how can Allah punish sinners who have been forced by him to do what they did? - or for that case reward "good" persons who also just were playing their forced role? Muhammad needed the dogma of free will for man to be able to claim Allah was a just and good god who rewarded and punished justly. He needed that dogma and he launched it and he used it - - - but he never was able to explain how it could possibly be combined with the dogma about full predestination. And Islam has never been able to explain it - even today it is unexplained and unexplainable for Muslims. We quote A6/141 (English 2008 edition 6/143,comment to verse 6/149): “In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true.

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but for blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness. IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE. (Some Muslims try to "explain it with that the Quran just means partly free will, but that is just a joke. For one thing the Quran is very clear when it several places tells that Allah predestines everything, and then there is no room left for any even partly free will for man. And for another: Even partly free will for man will make reliable precognition and reliable predestination impossible for Allah - the laws of chaos sees to that. Full predestination for Allah is impossible even for gods to combine with even partly free will for man. In the immaterial realms of life there are things impossible even for omnipotent gods.

Then there is the other conundrum: Full predestination and prayers. What is the mission of prayers - and for that case pilgrimage (hajj) and good deeds - if everything is predestined long before? If everything is predestined years and decades before, and according to a Plan nobody and nothing can change, also prayers can change nothing and have no value or meaning, and just are wasted time and effort.

Worse: If it is Allah who has predestined that you have to make a prayer and pray for so and so, what meaning and value does it then have for Allah, when he knows that your prayer just is a repetition of what he decided you should pray for and what to say in your prayer? Such a "prayer" - or "good deed" or "hajj" - tells nothing about you, and has little value for any sentient being, included for a god.

Also read about "regular prayers" - f.x. 22/78j.

261 23/24b: "The chiefs of the Unbelievers among his (Noah's*) people said: 'He is no more than - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

262 23/43: ”No people can hasten their term (time of ending*) nor can they delay it”. Predestination. No matter what they do and how much free will they use – they can do nothing but what is foretold in Allah’s predestination - his Plan. Is there then any free will for man? Simply impossible.

263 23/51d: "- - - I (Allah*) am well acquainted with (all) that ye do". Allah knows everything - and predestines everything. If he exists and is a god.

But if he knew everything, why then did he have to test and test even his followers?

264 23/81b: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) say things similar to what the ancient said". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

265 24/12a: "Why did not the Believers - men and women - when ye heard of the affair - - -". A time anomaly. How could this history be referred in the Quran - a copy of the age-old and older "Mother of the Book" unless Allah's predestination really is 100% and total?

266 24/15b: "- - - ye (people in Muhammad's Medina*) - - - said out of your mouths things of which ye had no knowledge - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this.

267 24/24b: "- - - witness - - -". Why does a predestining, omniscient god need witnesses?

268 24/36-37 What is the real value of this glorification if Allah just have predestined it, like the Quran many places claims he does for absolutely everything?

269 24/38a: "- - - Allah may reward them (good Muslims*) according to the best of their deeds - - -". Why, if it in reality is Allah and his predestination which has made them do it? Allah predestines absolutely everything according to his Plan - a plan no-one can change, according to the Quran.

270 24/54j: "- - - preach the clear (message)". It is not possible to preach a clear message from a book with so many mistakes, so much unclear language, so many contradictions, etc. See f.x. the impossible contradiction between Allah's claimed total predestination (necessary for getting many warriors for Muhammad) and the claim that man all the same has free will (necessary for Allah's moral right to punish bad ones who f.x. did not want to go to war for Muhammad). Or see his predestined Plan which "nobody and nothing can make him change", and the claim that simple prayers will make him change that Plan and give you something better.

But it is very clear that the Quran means its message is clear and easy = to be understood literally. Only when the message has an obvious and easy to understand meaning, it is clear.

271 24/57a: "Never think thou that the Unbelievers are going to frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth - - -". The Quran makes it very clear many places the Allah predestines absolutely everything, that the predestinations are according to his Plan, and that nobody or nothing can change his Plan (by the way: Why then spill time and energy on praying to him for help or a better future, if everything is predestined already and nothing can change his Plan?).

It also is very clear that the goal is total world dominance.

272 24/57b: "- - - (Allah's Plan) - - -". According to many places in the Quran, Allah predestines absolutely everything in this world - it was the only world Muhammad knew about (except that he claimed there were 6 more - according to Hadiths they lay underneath the pancake Earth). This predestination is absolute, and nobody and nothing can change anything. Everything also is predestined long time before - the time of your death and whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven (!) are f.x. predestined when a fetus is 4 months old - 5 months before it is born - according to Hadiths. And everything is predestined in accordance with Allah's Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. (What about free will for man or effect of prayers or forgiving? - or pilgrimage?)

273 24/63g: "- - - let those beware who withstand the Messenger's order (that Allah will punish them strictly*) - - -". Total dictatorship and despotism. Also see 3/77b above. Muhammad's repeated claims that he demanded no payment from his followers for his preaching is a little ironic - or worse.

Besides: How could/can Allah punish? Any punishment will mean that the man and his deed which Allah punishes, changed his Plan - and according to several points in the Quran, nobody and nothing can change that Plan. If this is true, Allah can neither punish nor reward - both means changes in his Plan. And the same for prayers for any kind of betterment or for forgiving (which is a kind of betterment).

274 24/64e: "Well doth He (Allah) know what ye are intent upon - - -". Not a big surprise if he predestines everything. (Well, in reality this is one of the very many places Muhammad "forgets" that Allah predestines, and instead claims that man has free will - a combination even theoretically impossible - and the intended meaning here is: Do not try to cheat Muhammad, because Allah sees it. Nice for Muhammad.)

But id he knows, why - why - does he have to test even his followers??? He can learn nothing from it!

275 25/4c: “But the Misbelievers say: ’Naught is this but a lie which he (Muhammad*) has forged - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this

276 25/16d: "- - - a promise to be prayed for from thy (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*)". But what is the use of praying if everything already is predestined like the Quran unequivocally claims MANY places? - predestined according to a Plan nobody and nothing can change!

277 25/17c: "The Day He (Allah*) will gather them (non-Muslims) together as well as those whom they worship (other gods*) besides Allah, He (Allah*) will ask (the other gods*) - - -". According to the Quran the other gods will be given life on the Day of Doom, to be able to witness against their followers. Nothing is said about what happens to them afterwards, except that they belong in Hell - but are they guilty of Hell as they are made by others and had no will of their own? And why does Allah need such witnesses if he is omniscient and has predestined everything - which must include the making of the other gods and the praying to them, if the Quran tells the truth about predestination and about how Allah predestines absolutely everything?

278 25/20c: "- - - a trial - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need to put somebody through a trial? Also see 8/28a above.

279 25/23: "And We (Allah*) shall turn to whatever deeds they (non-Muslims/sinners*) did (in this life) - - -". According to the Quran your access to Paradise to a large degree will be decided by the balance between your good and bad deeds. But what about the fact that the Quran and Hadiths both state very clearly that Allah predestines everything, and thus also if also if you be permitted to enter Paradise.

280 25/29a: "He (non-Muslim*) did lead me (bad Muslim*) astray from the Message - - -". Bad if Allah exists, if he was involved in making the Quran, and if the Quran tells the full and only the truth. Good if not - this even if there are no other gods, as Islam is a primitive, inhuman and partly immoral religion, not only for the surroundings, but also for Muslims - with a possible exception for the leaders and some of the ones who stole themselves rich. (Perhaps also for some of the some 5-10% who need the belief in a god, #####but for them the effect is more or less the same no matter what god they believe in.)

### But how could someone lead you astray if Allah predestines every detail of your life, like the Quran states several places?

281 25/74b: “And those who pray - - ". But what is the idea of praying, when Allah predestines everything according to his Plan - a Plan nobody or nothing can change? If this statement is true, all prayers are wasted time, as Allah already has decided what is going to happen.

282 25/77b: "- - - if ye (non-Muslims*) call not on Him (Allah*) - - -". But what would be the idea of calling on him when everything all the same is predestined according to many places in the Quran? And when one does not believe he exists, because the Quran is so full of errors that there is no god behind it?

283 26/3c: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) do not become Believers". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different. And multiply even a tiny change with some billion people through the centuries, and many and also big things will be changed.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "Butterfly Effect" and the "Domino Effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
  5. The so-called "Domino Effect": Any change will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change - - - and so on forever. Also each cause may cause one or more or many changes. And: The Butterfly Effect only may happen, whereas the Domino Effect is unavoidable and inexorable - a main reason why if you in a battle is killed 5 meters from or 5 minutes later than where and when Allah has predestined - not to mention if you die when tilling your fields 50 miles off - unavoidably the entire future of the world is changed. Perhaps not much changed, but like said; multiply it with many billion people through the centuries, and the world is totally changed. And full clairvoyance of course totally impossible - except in occultism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, 7/34a, and 14/22b above.

284 26/70b: "- - - they (Abrahams people*) said: 'We worship - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

285 26/218a: “- - - Who seeth thee (Muslims*) standing forth (in prayer).” What is the idea and effect of prayers in Islam, if everything is predestined by Allah in accordance with an unchangeable Plan years and decades and more before, like the Quran stated several places?

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286 27/22a: "- - -the Hoopoe - - - said: 'I have - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this:

  1. When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
  2. The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different. And multiply even a tiny change with some billion people through the centuries, and many and also big things will be changed.
  3. The displacement of a happening - f.x. the death of a warrior in battle - of only one yard or one minute may or even will change the future forever (that yard or minute f.x. may mean that the warrior killed - or not killed - an opponent). The laws of chaos and the "Butterfly Effect" and the "Domino Effect" kick in.

  4. The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
  5. The so-called "Domino Effect": Any change will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change, which will cause this and this to change - - - and so on forever. Also each cause may cause one or more or many changes. And: The Butterfly Effect only may happen, whereas the Domino Effect is unavoidable and inexorable - a main reason why if you in a battle is killed 5 meters from or 5 minutes later than where and when Allah has predestined - not to mention if you die when tilling your fields 50 miles off - unavoidably the entire future of the world is changed. Perhaps not much changed, but like said; multiply it with many billion people through the centuries, and the world is totally changed. And full clairvoyance of course totally impossible - except in occultism, made up legends, and in fairy tales.

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, 7/34a, 14/22b, and not least 27/22-26 above.

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287 27/47: "- - - ye (the Thamud*) are a people under trial". Why did a predestining, omniscient god need to try people? Also see 8/28a.

288 27/57b: "- - - except his (Lot's*) wife; her We (Allah*) destined to be of those who lagged behind." Clear - and for the wife serious - predestination. Remember cases like this when you meet Muslims claiming there in reality is no predestination or that there is no real predestination, or similar. (Predestination makes it very immoral for Allah to punish people for bad deeds - or lack of good ones. If a god first predestines someone to do or not do something, and then punishes - or sends to Hell - this person because of the deeds, this god has a strange moral code.)

289 27/62a: "- - - who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him (Allah*), and who relives its suffering - - -?" How do this fit the strong claims in the Quran about Allah predestining everything according to a Plan which no-one and nothing can change the very least? Either Allah has decided a better future for you or he has not - nothing can change his Plan - - - which means that either the Plan is untrue or your prayers are wasted time. But predestination was necessary for Muhammad to get as many and as fearless warriors as possible - predestination meant that battles were not more dangerous than staying home, and in battles you could gain loot. (####Both these claims are logical nonsense: It for one is not difficult to prove - if a formal proof at is necessary - that if you stay away from battles, your chance for a longer life is much better. For another: If Allah has predestined that you shall become rich, you according to the logic of predestination become rich whether you stay in your bed or steal from other people.)

290 28/3d: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

###291 28/4e: Time anomaly: If - like Muslims often claim - the Quran was written before man was created or even has existed since eternity, and everything is predestined - this cannot have happened if man has free will - if man has free will, the laws of chaos had disrupted things long time ago. If there is free will - even partly - any predestination which the god does not carefully follow up and adjust the course of, will be spoiled by the laws of chaos. If there is any marked degree of predestination, man has no free will. And if man has free will, predestination, except in special cases, is impossible. The claim that general predestination is possible to combine with even a little free will for man, simply is one of the mistakes in the Quran - it is even theoretically impossible (a fact Muslims never can afford to admit, because that means something is seriously wrong with the religion, and it is better to believe in a religion and refuse to see, than to meet the alternative: That the never in any way proved religion is a made up one.) Thus if there exists free will for man, full clairvoyance is impossible even for a god = things which happened after the claimed "Mother of the Book" (of which all prophets during all times received an exact copy = a parallel to the Quran - according to Muhammad) was written, then are time anomalies, not to mention what kind of anomalies it would be to the claimed prophets living before things happened). Anomalies in this case is another word for error - especially if the Quran in reality was made at the time of Muhammad.

Verse 28/4 is a good sample of things difficult - for f.x. Abraham or Noah - to fully understand from their (claimed by Islam) copies of "the Mother of the Book" (= "the Mother of the Quran"). Other samples are the handling of Muhammad's family affairs in "the Mother of the Book" and consequently in its copies to all the claimed prophets/messengers.

There are very many time anomalies in the Quran - we only point the most obvious ones of them. Also see heading over the surahs. But as the Quran claims full predestination, predestination gives all these time anomalies. Yes, even a miniscule piece of free will for man, will destroy full predestination - the laws of chaos guarantees that.

The only way to explain the time anomalies in the Quran - as full clairvoyance is impossible also for gods if man has even a little bit free will - is that the Quran originally is written after everything had happened. And then they very clearly are errors in any book claiming to be VERY old.

292 28/7c "- - - the Mother of Moses - - -". A time anomaly. If the claimed "Mother Book" of the Quran is written before things happen, like Islam claims - may be existed since eternity - the story only can be correct if there is 100% predestination. If even 99% predestination, the laws of chaos would in relatively short time change the story. See heading and 28/4c.

293 28/8c: "- - - (it was intended) that Moses should be to them (the Pharaoh and his men*) an adversary and a cause of sorrow, for Pharaoh and Haman (see the Book of Esther) and (all) their hosts were men of sin." That it was predestined is nowhere said in the Bible.

294 28/8e: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

295 28/9c "- - - we (the pharaoh*) - - -". This is a time anomaly. If the claimed "Mother Book" of the Quran is written before things happen, like Islam claims - may be existed since eternity - the story only can be correct if there is 100% predestination. If even 99% predestination, the laws of chaos would in relatively short time change the story. See heading and 28/4c.

296 28/11b: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

297 28/12c: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

298 28/15c: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

299 28/16c: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

300 28/17-18: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, these verses - and other ones - are time anomalies and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

301 28/19b: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

302 28/20b: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

303 28/21b: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

304 28/23b: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

305 28/26b: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

306 28/27c: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

307 28/28: If the claimed "Mother Book" of the Quran is written before things happen, like Islam claims - may be existed since eternity - the story in this and the neighboring verses only can be correct if there is 100% predestination. If even 99% predestination, the laws of chaos would in relatively short time change the whole story. See heading and 28/4c.

308 28/30g: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

309 28/33b: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

087 28/34b: If the claimed "Mother Book" of the Quran is written before things happen, like Islam claims - may be existed since eternity - the story in this and in the neighboring verses only can be correct if there is 100% predestination. If even 99% predestination, the laws of chaos would in relatively short time change the whole story. See heading and 28/4c.

310 28/34c: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

311 28/36b: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

312 28/38f: If the Quran was written before this happened, or if the book has existed since eternity, like Islam often claims, this verse - and other ones - is a time anomaly and could not be reliably written in the claimed "Mother Book" unless there is full predestination, because the laws of chaos in a short time would change first details and then bigger things, a fact which makes the claim impossible, except if there is 100% predestination of everything (and in that case free will for man does not exist - not even a small piece. In spite of the Quran's claims, not even an omnipotent god can combine those two claims). See heading and 28/4e.

313 28/39c If the claimed "Mother Book" of the Quran is written before things happen, like Islam claims - may be existed since eternity - the story only can be correct if there is 100% predestination. If even 99% predestination, the laws of chaos would in relatively short time change the story. See heading and 28/4c.

314 28/47e: If the claimed "Mother Book" of the Quran is written before things happen, like Islam claims - may be existed since eternity - the story only can be correct if there is 100% predestination. If even 99% predestination, the laws of chaos would in relatively short time change the story. See heading and 28/4c.

315 28/48e: "- - - they (the Quraysh*) say, 'Why are not (Signs) sent - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" long time before, is predestination if less than 100%?

316 28/48k: "And they (the Quraysh*) say: 'For us, we reject- - -'". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" long time before, is predestination if less than 100%?

317 28/50h: If the claimed "Mother Book" of the Quran is written before things happen, like Islam claims - may be existed since eternity - the story only can be correct if there is 100% predestination. If even 99% predestination + 1% free will, the laws of chaos would in relatively short time change the story. See heading and 28/4c.

*318 28/53b: “They (Jews and Christians*) say: ‘We believe therein - - -". This could not be reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" long time before, unless predestination was 100%.

319 28/54f: "- - - out of what We (Allah*) have given them (Muslims*)". According to the Quran Allah have given you everything you have. But had you had so much if you relied on Allah's predestination - that he according to his Plan shall give you this and this - and stopped working? - or if a warrior; stopped stealing?

320 28/57b: "They (skeptics to Muhammad*) say: 'If we were to follow - - -". This could not reliably be written into the claimed "Mother Book" long time before - and later copied into the Quran - if predestination is not 100% (and then there also is no free will for man - Islam is wrong in claiming that the two are possible to combine).

321 28/57f: If the claimed "Mother Book" of the Quran is written before things happen, like Islam claims - may be existed since eternity - the story only can be correct if there is 100% predestination. If even 99% predestination, the laws of chaos would in relatively short time change the story. See heading and 28/4c.

322 28/61a: “Are (these two) alike? - one to whom We (Allah*) have made a goodly promise (Muslim*) - - - and one (non-Muslim*) who We have given the good things of this life, but who (will go to Hell*)?” Another rhetoric question with an obvious answer enlarging “our” self-esteem and feeling of righteousness. But with an addition: Many religions have a problem with non-believers or believers who are not really good people who have a good life in this world. So also Islam. But the Quran explains this very simple - like some other religions: It is Allah who in his unfathomable wisdom has decided it like that - to try the bad person or for some other reason only Allah understands - but Allah is going to punish him in the next life. A fulfilling explanation that leaves the others' envy half satisfied, and their gloating also half satisfied - and our self esteem at least on par or a little in plus.

You find this argument in variations time and again and again in the Quran.

But is the underlying explanation valid? - that it is for to try persons? Because why does a predestining, omniscient god have to try anyone at all? - and why, if it in reality is Allah who predestines everything one does - according to MANY places in the Quran? If he predestines everything, he also predestines what you do during a test. (With full predestination free will for man does not exist - there are immaterial things impossible also for omnipotent gods, in spite of Islam's lame try to explain away the fact that they see this is impossible: "It must be true all the same, because Allah say so in the Quran" (freely quoted after the Swedish "Message of the Quran" - remark A6/141 to verse 6/149).

323 28/68b: “Thy (Muslims’*) Lord (Allah*) does create and choose as he pleases: no choice have they (non-Muslims*) (in the matter)”. No matter what you do, you can do nothing to change the destination Allah has predestined.

324 28/68c: (A28/74): “Thy Lord (Allah*) does create and choose as He pleases: no choice have they (humans*) (in the matter) - - -.” A clear message and in full compliance to Allah’s power of predestination. But predestination collides with man’s presumed (partly? according to some Muslims) free will (predestination and free will - even partly - is mutually excluding each other. The combination of the two is even theoretically impossible, and Muslims go to a lot of pain to reduce both (“not real predestination” and “partly free will”) to make space for a little of both, but no matter: It still is even theoretically impossible to combine them - - - except in religious wishful thinking. Can that be the reason why this explanation is preferred by many Muslims (Zamakhshari, etc.): “(Allah) chooses (for mankind) whatever is best for them.” Then the problem of predestination is omitted – and both translations are possible from the Arab text “ma kana lahum al-khiyarah”. (Al-khiyarah or khirah (depending on what vowels you place there) = “choice” or “freedom to choose”). Just you choose - as mentioned a couple of times the texts in the Quran often far from is "clear and easy to understand".

325 28/69b: "And thy (Muslims') Lord (Allah*) knows all that their (peoples')hearts conceal - - -". But why then does a predestining, omniscient god need to test people - f.x. by sending them into war? Purely because he likes war? - - - or like some men who like to play war games?

326 28/78b: "He (Qarun*) said: 'This has been given - - -". How could this be reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" long time before, if predestination is not 100%? And then free will for man is impossible to arrange even for gods - in spite of the Quran's claims.

327 28/79b: "Said (non-Muslims of Moses (!)*): 'Oh that we had the like - - -". How could this be reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" long time before, if predestination is not 100%? But free will for man is impossible to combine with full predestination even for gods - in spite of the Quran's claims. Moses and Muhammad were quite alike. At least according to Muhammad.

328 28/82c: "It indeed is Allah Who enlarges the provision or restricts it - - -". One of the Quran's MANY never proved claims. This is the Quran's standard explanation for why non-Muslims and bad Muslims often have a better life than good Muslims: Allah in his unfathomable wisdom has decided it like this - the predestination again. But sooth yourself; you will come out best in the next life. Nothing of this is ever proved, but that does not matter, as long as people believe it. And as this was Muhammad's standard explanation, it was - and is - nice to have it "confirmed" by others like her (and some other places).

329 28/86f If the claimed "Mother Book" of the Quran is written before things happen, like Islam claims - may be existed since eternity - a story only can be correct if there is 100% predestination. If even 99% predestination, the laws of chaos would in relatively short time change the story/reality. See heading and 28/4c.

330 29/3b: "- - - Allah will certainly know - - -". As Allah is claimed to be for one thing omniscient, and for another thing predestines everything before it is said or happens, he of course knows everything. (All the same he had/has to test even his followers - f.x by sending them on raids for riches and slaves/victims for extortion for Muhammad. Why?)

331 29/5c: ”- - - for the Term (appointed) by Allah is surely coming - - -.” Predestination - Allah decides.

332 29/7e: "- - - We (Allah*) shall reward them (good Muslims in the possible next life*) according to their best deeds (and the best deed for Muslims, is war or raids for Allah and Muhammad and his successors*)". This only is true if Allah exists and is a major god, and if the Quran in addition has told the full truth and only the truth on relevant points - and if he can reward/punish without changing his own unchangeable predestined Plan. One more never proved claim.

333 29/10a: "There are among men such as say (to Muhammad's followers*), 'We believe - - -'". This could not reliably be written into the Quran long time before, unless predestination is 100%.

334 29/12c: "- - - the Unbelievers say to (the followers of Muhammad*): 'Follow our path - - -". How could this be reliably written into the claimed "mother Book" long time before it happened, unless predestination is 100%? Left alone the laws of chaos would mean changes in the reality after short time with even only 1% free will for man or less.

335 29/14c: "- - - they (the people of Noah*) (persisted in) sin". How could this be reliably written into the claimed "mother Book" long time before it happened, unless predestination is 100%? Left alone the laws of chaos would mean changes in the reality after short time with even only 1% free will for man or less.

#####336 29/22a: “Not on earth nor in heaven will ye be able (fleeing) to frustrate (His Plan) - - -“. Predestination. No-one can change what Allah has destined in his Plan. What then about the effect of prayers? - and what about free will for man? - not to mention: What then about man's moral responsibility for his words and deeds? - and not to forget: What about forgiving (which means Allah will have to change his original Plan on that point)? At least something is wrong.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

337 29/24b: "- - - (Abraham's) people - - - said: "Slay him (Abraham*) - - -". How could this be reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" in Heaven may be before the Universe was created, unless predestination is 100%?

338 29/29c: "- - - they (the people of Sodom and Gomorrah*) said: 'Bring us the Wrath of Allah - - -". How could this reliably be written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39a, 43/4b+c, 85/21+22) - a timeless book written by Allah before the creation of the world or perhaps existed since eternity, and revered by Allah and by his angels, a book of which the Quran is claimed to be an exact copy - how could this be written into this claimed book eons before it happened, if predestination was/is not 100% (and if there are 100% predestination, in spite of the Quran's never documented claims, free will for man is impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god - in the nonmaterial realms of life there are things impossible also for gods. And not less: What is the meaning, purpose and effect of prayers in Islam, if everything is predestined like the Quran states most clearly several times?

339 29/37b: "- - - they (the people of Madyan*) rejected him (Shu'ayb*) - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

340 29/40c: "It was not Allah Who injured (or oppressed) them (non-Muslims*): they inquired (and oppressed) their own souls". Wrong if they were forced to do what they did by Allah's predestination - a predestination the Quran several places says is total and according to Allah's unchangeable Plan. (Here either this claim or the claim that Allah predestines everything - or both - is wrong.

341 29/53d: “- - - had it not been for a term (of respite) appointed - - -.” The predestination decides everything.

342 29/53f: “- - - had it not been for a term (of respite) appointed (by Allah*), the Punishment would certainly have come to them (non-Muslims*) - - -”. Very well - then Muhammad had an explanation why “bad” people lived a good life, and he had to prove nothing - it just was Allah’s unfathomable will which did it, or like in this case; his predestined Plan. Proof?

343 29/62a: The reason why some has a meager life but others a rich one, is that Allah in his wisdom decides it like this. Allah decides and predestines.

344 30/4b: "With Allah is the decision, in the Past and in the Future - - -". Allah decides everything - predestination. (As for the number of years in this case, see 30/2-4 just above).

345 30/5b: "He (Allah*) helps whom he wills - - -" - and consequently not whom he not wills. No comment necessary. Except f.x. that your destination - Hell or Paradise - is decided for you before you are born, predestined by Allah, and if he has destined you for Hell, you get no help (this according to Hadiths).

346 30/8c: "- - - for a term appointed - - -". Predestination - which many Muslims claims do not really exist or is not really real predestination, because if Allah predestines the life of humans, it f.x. is most unjust and immoral to punish man for what sins he makes. But there is no doubt about full predestination in the Quran - it is stressed many times, and more in the Medina than in the Mecca period - in Medina Muhammad needed warriors not too reluctant to fight and to die.

347 31/16b: "- - - Luqman - - -". Even if Luqman is from fairy tales, he in this case is a time anomaly, because once was the first time he was mentioned by a teller of tales, and to everybody living before that the name is such an anomaly - - - if it is true that there were copies - of the claimed "Mother Book" with tales about him even at that time, too. The Quran claims there have been copies of this claimed timeless book sent down to all times to the claimed prophets for Islam. You of course are free to believe this.

Not to mention: How could Arab fairy tales end up in the claimed "Mother of the Book", a book claimed to be written before the world was created, and perhaps existed since eternity? - impossible unless there is at least total predestination - - - and where is then a fair and just god who is said to reward for good deeds and punish for bad ones?

348 31/21d: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) say: 'Nay, we shall follow - - -". How could this be reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

349 31/22f: "- - - with Allah rests the End and Decision of (all) affairs". There is no doubt when claiming that man has free will, the Quran is wrong: Allah decides all things - the predestination. (Actually this is said many places and in many ways throughout the Quran). If Allah decides all things, man has no free will. But how fair, how good, and how benevolent is Allah then when he punishes man for sins Allah has decided he shall make? And what is the effect of prayers if everything is predestined - included your prayer?

Either this or predestination is wrong. There is no way to combine the two statements - not even for an omnipotent god. (In the non-material realms of existence, there are things impossible also for gods.)

350 31/29e: "- - - for a term appointed - - -". In the Quran this expression normally refers to a point of time predestined by Allah - in this case the Day of Doom. But according to (A13/5 - NB) it also may refer to the "mansions" or stages through which the sun and the moon move in time as well as in space. As mentioned before: The language in the Quran in reality often is far from distinct and clear.

351 32/5b: "He (Allah*) rules (all) affairs from the heavens (plural and wrong) - - -". Allah decides - predestines - everything. Never proved.

352 32/10b: "And they (opponents of Muhammad*) say: 'What! - - -". How could this reliably be written into the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

353 32/13ca: “If We (Allah*) had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance - - -”. If this claim is true, it tells some real facts about how "good and benevolent" Allah really is: He has the power to save every man and Jinn, but instead lets billions of them end in Hell. He even predestines that this is what is to happen.

354 33/3c: "- - - (Allah is*) a Disposer of all affairs". Allah decides everything - predestines everything.

355 33/12c: "- - - (non-Muslims*) (even) say: 'Allah and - - -'". How could this reliably be written into the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

356 33/16b: “Running away will not profit you, if you are running away from death or slaughter; and even if (ye do escape), no more than a brief (respite) will ye be allowed to enjoy”. Wrong. It is very easy to prove by means of statistics, that if you get away from a battle, your chances for being alive one year later, greatly improve. Any god had known – but Muhammad did not know statistics. (Actually the claim also is strongly contra-intuitive and against common sense – he had to know they were lies even if he knew no statistics, but predestination was good propaganda for getting more warriors and more ferocious warriors. Also see 3/154 below).

Another fact: Even a short piece of time + another place of death are divergences from Allah's omniscient previous predestination and knowledge. The laws of chaos would make such divergences felt and make Allah's total precognition invalid + disturb and change at least details in his Plan.

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This in addition to that modern statistical science long since has proved this verse nonsense. This even more so as even if they had got "no more than a brief (respite)", the laws of chaos then had changed the future - and Allah's precognition was gone.

But Muhammad got many and terrific, but naïve warriors - - - and was so intelligent that he had to know he was lying.

And this goes for each and every time he said things like this.

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358 34/3c: "The Unbeliever says (to Muhammad*), 'Never will come to us - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

359 34/20a: "And on them (the leaders of the caravans in 34/19a above*) did Satan prove true his idea - - -". Everything which is not according to Muhammad and his new religion, is caused by Satan, according to the Quran. For one thing it does not have to be true even if Muhammad and his Quran says so, and for another: Where has the claimed free will of man disappeared if Satan decides everything for him (well actually how to explain Satan's influence when the Quran many places makes it clear that Allah predestines everything, and according to his Plan which nobody and nothing or even the Devil can change??)

360 34/26f: "- - - He (Allah*) is the One to decide - - -". Allah decides and predestines everything - then where is the free will of man?

361 34/30b: “The appointment to you is for a Day, which ye cannot put back for an hour nor put forward”. Predestined. Whatever you do you cannot change the hour of your death that Allah has decided. Not even by leaving Mecca at Hajj if you are a sheep. The same for a man in a battle. (Any relevant scientist can prove by statistical means that it is more dangerous to take part in a battle than to sleep or play or work at home - - - if such a proof is necessary.)

362 35/4d: "- - - to Allah go back for decision all affairs". Allah decides and predestines everything. Where then is man's free will? Those two are not possible to combine, in spite of Islam's not only unproved, but unexplained and unexplainable claims (A6/141 - English 2008 edition 6/143: "- - - the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and therefore the ineluctability of what is to happen in the future) on the one side, and man's free will on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it (!!*), seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran - a book full of mistakes, etc.*) both must be true". Unbelievable naivety).

363 35/11f: “Nor is a man long-lived granted length of days, nor is a part cut off from his life, but is in a Decree (ordained).” Allah has decided - predestined -how long you are to live.

364 35/11g: "(The length of your life*) is in a Decree (ordained)". Predestination is very clear in the Quran, even if many Muslims try to tell it "is not really predestination", because full predestination like the Quran very clearly states many places, means man is not the one guilty for the sins he commits, and Allah is highly unjust punishing anybody for sins - or rewards good deeds. Full predestination also means that man has no free will - there are combinations even gods cannot make.

365 35/13c: "- - - (the sun and the moon*) each one runs its course for a term appointed". Predestination once more - even for the sun and the moon.

366 35/19a: “The blind (non-Muslims*) and the seeing (Muslims*) are not alike - - -”. No, a blind man - like Stevie Wonder - has no value. Also see 35/18d just above.

367 35/32h: "- - - by Allah's leave - - -". Allah predestines everything, and does it according to his own Plan which nobody and nothing can change. Then where is the free will of man? (It simply does not exist in case.)

368 35/36e: "Thus (sending to Hell*) do We (Allah*) reward every ungrateful one!". If Allah exists, if he is a major god, and if he is correctly described in the Quran - a book full of errors.

And if Allah is able to punish anyone without this changes his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change according to several statements in the Quran. (If Allah all the same will punish, this in case means that your bad deeds have changed his Plan - or that your bad deed was predestined by Allah.)

369 35/36d: "- - - no term shall be determined for them (non-Muslims in Hell*) - - -". Allah will predestine no end of the torture for them.

370 35/38b: "Verily Allah knows (all) the hidden things of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and earth: verily He has full knowledge if all that is in (men's) hearts". This is a reminder and a warning you meet in different forms many places in the Quran. It normally has one (if often more) of 3 functions: Warn you against trying to cheat Allah (in reality Muhammad on this Earth) by doing not your best. Or an incitement to do your best because Allah sees you and rewards you - good also for Muhammad and his successors. Or soothing you that the ones who do bad things will be punished sooner or later, even if they have a good life now.

But why does a god who knows "all that is in your heart" need to test you - f.x. by sending you on raids and into wars for stealing, rape, suppression, extortion, slave taking, etc.? If he knows everything - and on top of all predestines everything - there is not a comma he can learn from it. Not to mention the zero effect - or less - if it on top is true that Allah predestines every bit of your acts and life

371 35/41i: "(Allah is*) Oft-Forgiving". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god, neither of which is anything but claims.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above. Allah can neither forgive nor accept prayers if full predestination is true like the Quran states - it would mean changes in his predestined Plan "which nobody and nothing can change".

372 35/42b: "They (hypocrites of Muhammad*) swore their strongest oaths - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

373 35/43c: "But no change wilt thou (Muhammad? people?) find in Allah's way (of dealing) - - -". What Allah has predestined, is impossible to change.

374 35/45d: "- - - stated Term - - -". The predestined time.

375 35/45e: “- - - when their term expires - - -“. Allah has set terms of time - predestination - and nothing can change his predestinations, his Plan.

376 36/12d: "- - - that which they (people*) send before and that which they leave behind - - -". The good and bad deeds done in this life, from which Allah is going to judge whether to send you to Hell or Paradise - - - but this is contradicted by clear Hadiths telling that Allah decided on whether you are to end in Hell or Paradise when you were a 4 months old fetus = 5 months before you were born. (Sometimes Muhammad needed predestination to tell his warriors that war was not dangerous - you would not die until your time was up anyhow. But some places he needed free will for man, to give Allah a moral reason for why to punish you for real or claimed sins. He never was able to combine these two claims, and there are a number of mix-ups in the Quran. Also Islam of today is unable to combine the two claims, but quite lamely claims that both claims must be true, because Allah(?) says so in the Quran.)

We may add that this impossibility is so obvious that there is no chance an intelligent man like Muhammad did not that the two claims were mutually excluding each other, and thus that maximum one of the claims could be true. But often dishonesty is more efficient than honesty.

277 36/28b: "- - - hosts from heaven - - -". Muhammad claimed Allah sometimes sent down angels from Heaven to help in battles or to avenge or punish - in this case the verse indicates that Allah thought this was not necessary, but used another punishment instead (see 36/29 just below). (But why can such things at all be necessary if Allah predestines everything?)

378 36/28c: "(The punishment*) was no more than a single mighty Blast - - -". But how to justify punishment if Allah predestines everything - and on top does so according to his own Plan which nothing and nobody can change, like the Quran states unequivocally several places? (Islam is unable to explain this - they only say that predestination and free will for man (and thus responsibility) both must be true, because it is said so in the Quran. Blind belief gone amuck.

379 36/38b: "- - - for a period determined by Him (Allah*) - - -". For as long time as Allah has predestined.

380 36/45d: " - - - they (skeptics to Muhammad*) turn back - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

381 37/12b: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) ridicule - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

382 37/61: "For the like of this (Paradise*) let all strive, who wish to strive". In more clear language: Let everyone who wishes try to reach Paradise. But we must here remind you of Allah's predestination and unchangeable Plan. According to Hadiths he already 5 months before you were born, decided whether you were to end in Hell or Paradise, and nothing you can do can change his decision. A contradiction between the wish and claimed Islamic reality.

383 37/80a: "Thus indeed do We (Allah*) reward - - -". Allah rewards nobody unless he exists and is something supernatural - white or black. And it is an open question if he at all can reward - or punish - anybody at all, as that will mean changes in his predestined Plan, which nobody and nothing can change according to several verses in the Quran. .

384 37/102-103: The testing of Abraham. The name of the boy is not mentioned here, but other places the Quran claims that it was Ishmael. The Bible says it was Isaac.

If the time sequences given in the Bible are correct, the boy cannot have been Ishmael. See 37/103 just below.

For Yahweh there was a reason for testing Abraham, as in Yahweh's religion man has real free will, and thus it was/is not possible for Yahweh to know everything about how a person will react. Not so under Allah, as Allah both knows absolutely everything, and predestines everything. In spite of the Quran's claims, it then is not possible for man to have any free will or to change Allah’s predestined Plan, "which nobody and nothing can change”. As Allah thus - and according to MANY points in the Quran and in Hadiths - knows EVERYTHING on beforehand, there is exactly nothing he can learn from testing anyone - the claimed tests are meaningless.

385 38/4e: "And the Unbelievers say, 'This is a sorcerer telling lies!". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

386 38/75-82: The same story as in 15/33-39 above (Muhammad had a strong tendency to repeat himself – not god for literature quality), but with the addition of why Iblis did not want to prostrate himself for Adam: “I am better than he: Thou createdst me from fire, and him Thou createdst from clay.” Iblis was haughty or - if he was in cohorts with Allah in a game for having a reason for creating Hell – he played haughty.

If Allah created Iblis/the Devil, is Allah then a good and benevolent god? - this especially if he had everything predestined and thus did decide what was going to happen? Remember here that Allah predestines everything, and that nobody and nothing can change what he has decided - his Plan - according to many verses in the Quran.

Nothing like this in the Bible. From where is it? As the Quran and all its errors is not from any god - no god makes that many and that grave mistakes - the choice is: Dark force? A sick brain? A cold brain? Or legends, folklore, etc.?

387 39/3c: "- - - (non-Muslims*) (say) (to Muhammad*): 'We only serve - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this

388 39/5f: "- - - for a time appointed". This is a Quranic expression normally meaning "until the point of time Allah has predestined".

########389 39/23d: “(The Quran*) is consistent with itself”. Wrong – there are plenty of contradictions. Plenty - several hundred (at least 300 internal contradictions + all the external ones)! Islam even needs a special abrogation rule for deciding which paragraph is the correct one when two or more “collide” (the youngest one is normally claimed to be the correct one - that is one of the reasons why the age of the different verses counts in Islam and why the question of ages of the surahs are integrated parts of Islamic judicial procedures). Some Muslims tell this is not true - Allah just made the rules stricter. It may look like an ok explanation in some, but only some, cases, f.x. concerning alcohol. But what kind of omniscient god did not know from the very beginning what kind of rules was needed? – besides; more strict rules also are abrogations.

Contradicted by all the contradictions in the book.

Simply an unintended joke. (F.x. see the claims that Allah predestines everything vs. man has even a little free will. Or Allah predestines everything and all the same rewards or punishes for words and deeds he predestined. And what about the value of prayer or pilgrimage or forgiving if everything is predestined?

390 39/42c: ”- - - those on whom He (Allah*) has passed the decree of death - - -.” Allah decides - predestination.

391 39/51d: "- - - and they ("wrongdoers"*) will never be able to frustrate (our (Allah's*) Plan)". The predestination again: Allah decides everything and nothing can change his decisions and Plan.

392 39/51e: "- - - (our (Allah's*) Plan) - - -". Allah has made a Plan for everything which is going to happen in all the future, and he predestines everything according to this Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. If this is true, out of the window goes even the smallest morsel of man's claimed free will - - - and in comes a question Islam is not able to meet: How can Allah punish - and reward - humans for their deeds if he himself has predestined everything? Islam tries to cover this problem by means of mysticism ("partly free will" which the laws of chaos makes as destroying for predestination and precognition as full free will - or: "it is just that humans cannot understand how the combination of Allah's deciding of everything and man's free will is possible" - but in the immaterial parts of existence there are things impossible even for an omnipotent god), but the combination simply is not possible.

393 39/62b: "- - - He (Allah*) is the Guardian and disposer of all affairs." Allah decides everything - the predestination. The claim is never proved, though.

394 40/17b: "- - - no injustice will there be that Day (the Day of Doom*) - - -". Wrong: There is no honest justice between the mediocre sins of most sinners, and the devilish and sadistic and everlasting punishment they will receive. Not to mention if Allah has predestined the sins.

395 40/17c: "- - - no injustice will there be that Day (the Day of Doom*) - - -". Wrong: If Allah has predestined everything you have done, like the Quran clearly and many places claims, there is nothing but the most horrible injustice in judging "sinners" to Hell. (Both the Quran, Islam and all Muslims try to claim man has free will in addition to Allah's total predestination, but in the immaterial realms of life there are things impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god, and to combine total predestination with free or even partly free will for man, is one of them - the laws of chaos sees to that. Also Islam is unable to explain this claimed combination.

Besides: There is no correspondence between the after all medium sins most sinners have made, and the sadistic bestiality in the 7 parts of Islam's Hell.

396 40/25d: "- - - they (Pharaoh and his people*) said: “Slay the sons of those who believe with him (Moses*) - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

397 40/60b: "- - - prayers - - -". But what is the idea behind and what is the effect of prayers, if Allah long since has predestined everything - and predestined according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, like the Quran states several places. If predestination is true, prayers just are waste of time and effort - there is no way they can have any effect. To claim differently either needs a good explanation or is mumbo-jumbo.

398 40/65c: "- - - call upon Him (Allah*) - - -". It may be worth a try. But he has never provably answered anyone between Muhammad and now. And besides if he has predestined everything like the Quran states several places, prayer cannot have any effect - everything is already decided.

399 40/67c: “(Allah*) lets you (living beings*) reach a Term appointed - - -”. Allah lets any living being reach the time for dying he has predestined and decided. Though if you are a sheep and are brought to Mecca before Hajj, it is easy to prove by means of statistics that you had had a much better chance to be alive after Hajj if you had stayed at home. And the same for a man in a battle.

########400 41/30ba: "'Fear ye (Muslims*) not' (they (angels*) suggest (= this is something happening "now")), 'nor grieve!" Here angels are speaking in the Quran. This is one more proof for that "the Mother of the Book" of which the Quran is a copy according to Islam, cannot have existed since eternity - it cannot have been written until after the first angels were created. Further: The angels are speaking to humans - to good Muslims even. This proves that "the Mother of the Book"/the Quran cannot have been written until after the first humans were created/born.

(There also are some 8+ places or more in the Quran where Muhammad is speaking - which proves that the Quran cannot be older than Muhammad - at least not if man has the slightest part of free will (even one milligram of free will for man combined with the laws of chaos, makes precognition about far future impossible even for a god).

401 40/67d: "- - - a Term appointed - - -". The time predestined by Allah for your death.

402 41/4d: "- - - most of them (non-Muslims opponents of Muhammad*) turn away - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

403 41/39e: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See 2/2b above.

When used in the Quran words like "true", "truth", "truly", "sure" "surety", "surely", "verity", "verily", etc. are claims, not proved facts. Also see 2/2b + 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones - and as for contradiction to the Bible also 40/20b. Also the latter half of the comments to 41/39a is very relevant. These and similar words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved.

A. Occam's Broom (the same Occam as the one with the razor): "The intellectual dishonest trick of ignoring facts that refute your argument in the hope that your audience won't notice". (New Scientist 21.Sept. 2013.) This trick is frequently used by Muhammad, by Islam, and by Muslims argumenting for the Quran's texts and for Islam - just use your ears and/or eyes, and brain, and you will find lots and lots of samples, f.x. in some of Muhammad's lies in the Quran.

B. "'Surely' (etc.*) and rhetorical questions - whenever you encounter these in a text, stop and think. The author usually wants you to skate over them as if the claim is so obvious as to be beyond doubt, or the answer self-evident. The opposite is often the case." (Graham Lawton.) Also this trick is very often used in the Quran, by Islam, and by Muslims.

C. Daniel Kahneman (2002 Nobel Prize winner for research on psychological biases that distort rational decision-making - New Scientist 14. Aug. 2014, p. 24)): "An assimilation bias (is a bias*) that bends information to fit people's existing values and prejudices". You find much of assimilation biases in the Quran, in Islam, and among Muslims, all based on the wish to make the Quran seem true - or on the belief that it is true.

D. Science: "You need a Muslim's belief to be able to believe that the quality of the texts in the Quran prove a divine origin".

Try to count such cases in the Quran - they are MANY. Especially the never proved claim "the Truth" and similar are very often used. Samples: "Without doubt", "certain", "verily", "clear", "right", "fact", "wrong", "sign", "proof" (even modern Muslims disuse this word often), "term appointed", "predestined", "If Allah wanted - - -", "non-Muslims are bad, Muslims are good", "error", "wisdom", and more.

404 41/51: "- - - prolonged prayer - - -". What is the idea of prayers in Islam? If everything is predestined long time before, and according to a divine Plan nobody and nothing can change like the Quran states many times, prayers cannot have any effect.

405 42/5d: "- - - pray - - -". What is the idea with prayers in the Quran? If Allah predestines everything long before, and in accordance with his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change, also prayers can change nothing, and is just a waste of time and effort.

##406 42/10b: "- - - the decision thereof is with Allah - - -". According to the Quran, Allah decides - and predestines - everything. We may also add that just this verse is one of the arguments some Muslim scholars (f.x. Ibn Hazm and Razi) use when they claim it is not correct to use analogy (qiyas) in the religious laws, where no clear rules exist, because it is up to Allah to decide. An interesting piece of information, as it proves that the Quran does not explain everything, even though this is claimed now and then - not to mention explains everything clearly.

407 42/14c: "- - - a Term appointed - - -". Here predestination surfaces again.

408 42/24b: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) say, 'He (Muhammad*) has forged - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

409 42/30b: “Whatever misfortune happens to you, is because of things your hands have wrought - - -”. Please compare this to some of the other verses quoted in this chapter and other places (f.x. 42/31 below) and tell us: Is there honesty in this kind of Muslim argumentation? Because the Quran clearly tells many places that Allah decides everything, and nothing can change his predestinations. You f.x. cannot change your destiny by staying away from battle.

Or is the main thing to cling to what they want to believe? - and rather not find out if they are wrong until in the possible next world, when it may be too late not to end up in some real religion’s Hell?

(At least 10 contradictions in the Quran.)

410 42/31a: "Nor can ye (humans*) frustrate (aught) - - -". - because Allah decides everything. The predestination once more.

411 42/31b: "Nor can ye (humans*) frustrate (aught) - - -". See this sentence together with "- - - it is because of the things your hands wrought - - -" in 42/30 above.
In clear words: "The bad things you do, is your own fault - but you cannot change anything Allah has predestined". And Allah as you know from the Quran has predestined every detail you say and do throughout your life.

Do you see the irony? Do you see the contradiction? Do you see the hopeless logic? And do you see the insult, slander, and heresy in blaming such a piece of literature on a god?

412 42/44a: "For any whom Allah leaves astray - - -". Allah leaves astray whom he wants. Remember in this connection that he according to the Quran predestines absolutely everything, and according to his unchangeable Plan. F.x. he according to Hadiths predestine whether you are to end in Hell or Heaven already 5 months before you are born - and nothing you do can change that decision. You simply are left astray before you are born.

413 42/48f: "- - - on account of the deeds which his (a person*) have sent forth - - -". But how is it possible to reward or punish a person for his deeds, if the Quran tells the truth when it strongly states that Allah predestines everything you do - it then is Allah who causes what happens, not the human! (Muslims try to explain this problem away, f. x. by claiming a "limited free will for man". But even limited free will is impossible to combine with total predestination like the Quran many places states. In the immaterial spheres of life there are things impossible even for omnipotent gods).

414 42/49f: "(Allah creates*) - - - according to His Will (and Plan) - - -". Allah decides and plans - the predestination once more.

415 42/50a: "- - - He (Allah*) leaves barren whom He will - - -". Allah decides and predestines everything in his unfathomable wisdom.

#####416 42/50e: (A42/52 - English 2008 edition A42/51): "The purport of this passage is a re-affirmation of the fact that whatever happens to man is an outcome of Allah's unfathomable will - - -". The total predestination confirmed. Where then is man's claimed free will? - with total predestination it does not exist.

And: How can punishment and reward be explained morally when Allah predestines EVERYTHING?

417 43/20b: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) say: 'If it had been - - -'". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

418 43/76b: "- - - it is they (the sinners*) who have been unjust themselves". How is that possible if it is true what the Quran tells again and again: Allah predestines absolutely everything, and he does it according to a Plan impossible to change. How can a person be unjust if he is forced by Allah to do everything he does? (This is one of the dark spots in Islam which Islam is unable to explain - and most Muslims evade the question or tries different claims. Islam/higher scholars admits it is impossible to understand or explain it, but "it must be true as Allah says so in the Quran" - the ultimate victory for blind belief.

419 43/79: "But it is We (Allah*) who settles things." = It is Allah who decides anything - the predestinations according to his Plan no-one can change.

420 43/80c: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Messengers are by them (people*), to record". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need spies and records?

421 44/14c: "Yet they (skeptics*) turn away from him (Muhammad*) and say: 'Tutored - - -'". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

422 45/12c: "- - - His (Allah's*) Bounty - - -". Everything you earn in an honest way by work or trade, or by stealing or robbing or murdering, are gifts from Allah's bounty according to the Quran - what you do yourself seems to be of less consequence - - - and may be it has to be like this in a religion where the god predestines everything you do according to its claimed holy book.

423 45/24b: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) say: 'What is there - - -'". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

424 46/3e: "- - - (created*) for a term appointed - - -". Everything is created "for a term appointed" - Allah predestines everything.

425 46/7d: “- - - the Unbelievers say (to Muhammad*)- - -: .This is evident - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

426 46/20d: "Ye (non-Muslims and bad Muslims*) received your good things in the life of the world, and ye took your pleasure out of them: but today (the Day of Doom*) shall ye be recompensed with a Penalty of humiliation (Hell*) - - -". This is the Quran's standard way of even out and of explaining why some bad people had good lives whereas good Muslims often had lousy lives: The bad ones had wanted - and Allah had granted them (there is nowhere explained how this is possible to combine with Allah's total predestination according to an unchangeable Plan) - a good life now, but they have to pay in the next life. Good and soothing to know for the poor ones - your own success is good, but other people's downfall is not too bad either. It also is a warning: Be good and obedient and do not end like the bad ones.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

427 46/32b: "- - - cannot frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth - - -". The predestination again - what Allah has planned and decided, nobody and nothing can change (f.x. prayers, forgiving, free will?).

428 47/4i: "- - - but (He (Allah*) lets you fight) in order to test you - - -". Why - why does an omniscient and omnipotent god need to test his followers - he knows everything and predestines everything!? There is no logic in this sentence, unless it in reality is Muhammad who wants warriors and needs an "explanation".

429 47/26b: "- - - they (people leaving Muhammad and his religion*) said - - -: 'We will - - -'". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

#####430 47/31d: This verse - and quite a number of others - does not give meaning if Allah is omniscient and knows everything. If he is omniscient, he also knows everything about you. Not to mention if he on top of all predestines everything, so that you just are a puppet in a puppet theatre reacting to his Plan only.

But if this is Muhammad needing an explanation for why he sends warriors out to steal and enslave and enlarge his power, then suddenly tales like these are logical - if his followers were naive enough or blind enough.

431 48/11e: "Who then has any power at all (to intervene) on your (half-hearted Muslims*) behalf with Allah - - -". The desert Arabs - the Bedouins - originally were rather luke-warm to Muhammad and his religion, and Muhammad was frustrated about it. But where is the logic when he normally tells that Allah decides everything and nobody can influence Allah's will and decisions or Plan, whereas his implicit threat here seems to be that if the desert Arabs will not obey him - the two points you find he comments other places in the Quran, are that they are reluctant to take part in his raids and reluctant to pay tax - he will not intervene on their behalf with Allah (to make Allah change his Plan to benefit them). But then Muhammad is not always logical when other arguments works better. See f.x. his claims that Allah decides and predestines everything, but all the same man has free will. It is so impossible to combine these two, that even Islam has given in to explain it. The essential things seem not to be that things or claims can be true, but that they work - that naive or brainwashed or blindly believing followers believe what is claimed. Predestination and free will for man is not possible even for gods to combine. The same goes for predestination and no intervention possible but all the same intervention by Muhammad possible, like here is indicated.

And a small PS: What is the value of prayers or claimed forgiving in Islam, if everything is predestined long time before by Allah, and according to his Plan which "nobody and nothing can change"? - if nothing can change it, then also prayers can change nothing in the Plan, and prayers are to no avail.

432 49/14b: "The desert Arabs say, 'We believe.'". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

433 50/2a: "But they (people*) wonder that there has come to them a Warner from among themselves." How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

434 50/24a: “- - - throw into Hell every contumacious Rejecter (of Allah)!” Good Muslims do not end in Hell, so they clearly are much better. But who says this? - no god is involved in a book with so many errors, etc. like the Quran.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical. Similar goes for how central forgiving is (even if we omit the logic that if Allah predestines everything, he cannot forgive unless he changes his Plan).

##435 50/28: "I (Allah*) had already sent you (non-Muslim*) Warning". To what avail and for what reason if you had predestined everything for me according to your Plan which nothing and nobody can change, so that I had no choice but to do and say exactly what you had predestined?!

436 51/13b: "- - - tried (and tested) - - -". Why - WHY - does a predestining, omniscient god need to try and test people!???

437 51/14a: "Taste ye (non-Muslims*) your trial (Hell*)!". But why - WHY - does a predestining, omniscient god need to try and test people!???

438 51/17: "They (Muslims*) were in the habit of sleeping but little by night - - -". = They spent parts of the night praying. (But what is the idea of praying, if Allah has predestined everything long before, so that prayers can have no effect? - "nobody and nothing can change Allah's Plan".

439 51/18a: "- - - praying for - - -". But why and to what avail if Allah has predestined absolutely everything - in a Plan nothing can change? Because this is what the Quran states several places in the book. This is one of the problems with the Quran and with Islam: There are so many points which contradict each other - even very central points. No god had made such blunders.

440 52/16: "- - - ye (non-Muslims*) but receive the recompense for your own deeds". This is not true if Allah predestines absolutely everything like the Quran claims many places. (Islam tries to explain this problem away by claiming man has free will or partly free will, but this is not possible to combine with full predestination even for an omniscient and omnipotent god - see f.x. comment A6/141 to verse 6/149 above.

You may just forget the Islamic claim that full predestination for Allah is possible to combine with even a little part of free will for man - Islam's claimed answer just is mysticism and hardly even that. The two claims are mutually excluding each other, and it is long since proved that when two claims mutually exclude each other, maximum one of them can be true. Another good proof is that the entire Islam during 1400 years has been unable to find even a way to "explain away" - not even "explain", but "explain away" - this very revealing point.

#####In a way worse: Also at least the educated intelligentsia in Islam knows ever so well that when two points are mutually excluding each other, maximum one of them can be true. All the same they say nothing. Dishonesty.

#####When a religion needs to use dishonesty - yes, perhaps partly is built on and rests on dishonesty - is it then a religion or a "religion"?

441 52/49a: "- - - parts of the night - - - at the retreat of the stars - - -". This refers to 2 of the 5 fixed prayers a day which the Quran demands. These fixed prayers are so essential to Allah, that he made them one of the 5 pillars of Islam. Yahweh on the other hand did not mind such formalism at all - pray when there was a reason or a need or a wish. This fundamental difference is one of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

And one more detail - but an essential detail: What is the idea of prayers in the Quran if Allah predestines everything long before, and according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change? Also prayers then cannot change that Plan, and just are waste of time and effort - yes and some self-deception.

442 53/18a: "- - - truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See 49/13b above.

When used in the Quran words like "true", "truth", "truly", "sure" "surety", "surely", "verity", "verily", etc. are claims, not proved facts. Also see 2/2b + 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones - and as for contradictions to the Bible also 40/20b. These and similar words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved.

A. Occam's Broom (the same Occam as the one with the razor): "The intellectual dishonest trick of ignoring facts that refute your argument in the hope that your audience won't notice". (New Scientist 21.Sept. 2013.) This trick is frequently used by Muhammad, by Islam, and by Muslims arguing for the Quran's texts and for Islam - just use your ears and/or eyes, and brain, and you will find lots and lots of samples, f.x. in some of Muhammad's lies in the Quran.

B. "'Surely' (etc.*) and rhetorical questions - whenever you encounter these in a text, stop and think. The author usually wants you to skate over them as if the claim is so obvious as to be beyond doubt, or the answer self-evident. The opposite is often the case." (Graham Lawton.) Also this trick is very often used in the Quran, by Islam, and by Muslims.

Try to count such cases in the Quran - they are MANY. Especially the never proved claim "the Truth" and similar are very often used. Samples: "Without doubt", "certain", "verily", "clear", "right", "fact", "wrong", "sign", "proof" (even modern Muslims disuse this word often), "term appointed", "predestined", "If Allah wanted - - -", "non-Muslims are bad, Muslims are good", "error", "wisdom", and more.

#######Like said these two rhetorical ways of dishonesty are used very many places in the Quran - we have not counted, but hundreds. Each of them may be a hidden lie - is a lie if the orator knows his point is a claim or bluff or worse, and not a proved or provable fact. And according to the Quran what is said in the Quran, is said by Allah.

Who needs such tricks? - the cheat and deceiver, the swindler and the charlatan.

443 53/31e: "- - - He (Allah*) rewards those who do evil, according to their deeds - - -". How can this be fair, if Allah predestines every detail of everybody's life like the Quran many places claims? - yes, even if he predestines only some of it, like some Muslims claim to try to explain away things - in contradiction to the Quran's very clear words? (And for that case: How can it be fair to reward for good deeds Allah has forced the doers to do?)

444 53/31h: "- - - He (Allah*) rewards those who do good, with what is best." How can this be fair, if Allah predestines every detail of everybody's life like the Quran many places claims? - yes, even if he predestines only some of it, like some Muslims claim to try to explain away things - in contradiction to the Quran's very clear words?

445 53/39: "- - - Man can have nothing but what he strives for - - -". How does this compare with the Qurans' many statements that Allah predestines everything, also what you get and what you not get, because that in addition are gifts from Allah’s abundance? This claim simply is wrong if Allah predestines everything like the Quran states.

446 53/40: "- - - (the fruit of) his (man's*) striving will soon come in sight - - -". This is wrong if the Quran's statements about Allah’s predestination are true. If Allah predestines, it will be the fruits of his predestinations which come in sight. But at the same time it is a case of the carrot and the stick: Allah sees what you do, so be good, and willing and obedient.

447 53/41a: "Then (in the next life*) will he (a person*) be rewarded - - -". Is it fair to reward a person for good or for bad deeds if he/she did it because Allah had predestined it like that?

448 53/48: "- - - it is He (Allah*) Who giveth wealth and satisfaction - - -". It is Allah who predestines also this - so why work, as Allah has predestined how rich and satisfied you are to be?

449 54/2c: "- - - (opponents of Muhammad*) say, 'This is but - - -'". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones) If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

450 54/3b: “- - - every matter has its appointed time.” Predestination - Allah has appointed a time for each and every thing to happen.

###451 54/12c: "- - - the water rose to the extent decreed". = To the extent predestined. You will meet Muslims saying the Quran is not talking about real predestination (to be able to claim man has at least partly free will). There is no reason to believe them - the Quran is very clear on predestination, and that predestination is full and complete, and that Allah predestines absolutely everything. The book also is very clear on that Allah does his predestination according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change - - - which f.x. means that there is no free will for man, and that prayers in Islam has no meaning as everything already is predestined long time before. Not even a god can combine these two things with predestination - even Islam has given in to explain how that could be possible (that is to say, they have given in explaining predestination contra free will for man - predestination contra prayers and their futility if predestination exists, they never debate).

452 54/53a: "Every matter, small and great, is on record". It is a sobering sentence for the believers - "beware that angels note down everything you say and do" - but why so if Allah is omniscient and also predestines everything? It is another case if Islam is a made up religion and Allah a made up god - in that case it just is a sentence very sobering for the believers and thus efficient for Muhammad’s - and his successors' - control of the Muslims.

453 57/5c: "- - - all affairs are referred back to Him (Allah*)". = In the end of all cases it in reality is Allah who decides everything - the in the Quran well known predestination; everything have to be run by "Allah's Plan" which nothing and nobody can change.

454 57/10e: “Not equal among you (Muslims*) are those who spent (freely) and fought, before the Victory, (with those who did so later). Those are higher in rank than those who spent (freely) and fought afterwards. But to all has Allah promised a goodly (reward).” Spend money and fight in war for Muhammad (and his successors) and Allah, and Allah will give you a rich reward. Another mighty incitement for getting money and warriors for war. (But does an omniscient and omnipotent god really need war? – he knows everything and can do everything in better ways. The Quran says it is to test you – but does an omniscient god need to test you, when he knows everything and all the answers before and even predestines everything? And can a god really be a good and benevolent one, when the main thing he wants from his underlings, is that they behave like devils against others? – when someone says something, but gives instructions for or does something very different, we believe in the instructions and deeds, not in the cheap words.)

455 57/22b: "No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence - - -". Everything which happens is not only predestined by Allah, but even recorded "in a decree" before Allah makes it happen. But where is then the justice in punishing man for sins, when it is Allah who has decided it and made it happen??!!

##456 57/22c: “No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls (minds*) but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) brings it into existence - - -.” In more plain words: Nothing can happen unless in accordance with predestination according to Islam - with what Allah has decided and written down on beforehand. But this contradicts each and every verse saying man has free will and also that man is to blame when he does something wrong. And what about accidents and natural catastrophes – are they planned and executed – like Calvin by the drawer/artist in Calvin and Hobbs – by a benevolent, good god? Not to mention: What about prayers? - if everything is predestined long before and in accordance with a Plan nobody and nothing can change, also prayers can change nothing and are in case meaningless in Islam.

(At least 10 contradictions).

457 57/22d: “No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence (= predestines*): that is truly easy for Allah:” See 4/78 above, Plus: How do Islam explain why Allah makes natural disasters - like the tsunami of 2004? And how do they explain why non-Muslims are condemned to Hell, when “no misfortune in your souls” f.x. not becoming Muslims, can happen except by the will of Allah? A benevolent god?

458 57/22e: "No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence: that (predestination*) is truly easy for Allah". Many Muslims try to explain away the predestination - that it "is not really predestination" or "it is not full predestination" or something like that. The reason is that if Allah predestines everything like the Quran clearly states, he is unjust when he rewards or punishes - or for that case rewards - people for what they do. Therefore Muslims need - and Muhammad needed - free will for man so that man can be blamed for things himself. But free will for man is impossible to combine with full predestination , and thus you meet these claims about "not real predestination", etc. and "partly free will", etc. But this verse (and many others) leaves no doubt about that everything is predestined by Allah, and that predestination is easy for Allah. (NB: Also partly - even a tiny part - free will for man makes predestination and also precognition from difficult to (mainly) impossible - the laws of chaos sees to that.

459 57/23a: "- - - favors bestowed upon you - - -". All good things you experience, are favors bestowed upon you by Allah (but bad things are your own fault, though predestined by Allah - understand this if you are able to).

460 57/25f: "- - - (so) that Allah may test who it is that will help, unseen, Him and His Messengers - - -". One of the big mysteries in the Quran, and one we have never met any Muslim able to or wanting to explain, is: Why does an omniscient, omnipotent and predestining god need to test his followers?!

461 58/1b: “Allah has indeed heard (and accepted) the statement of the woman who pleads with thee (Muhammad’) - - - and Allah (always) hears and sees the arguments between both sides among you - - -.” How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

462 58/1e: "- - - (prayer) - - -". What is the idea with prayer in Islam? If Allah has predestined everything long time ago, and according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, like the Quran states many places, also prayers can change not a thing.

463 58/10c: "- - - but he (the Devil*) cannot harm them (people/Muslims*) in the least (= make them sin*), except as Allah permits - - -". But how then can Allah punish man for sins Allah has permitted - even via the Devil - (and according to other verses in the Quran even decided by predestination)??

464 60/4i: "I (Abraham*) will pray for thee (his father*) - - -". If Abram/Abraham had been a Muslim, what had been the idea of praying? - everything is totally predestined by Allah in his unchangeable Plan, according to the Quran - a plan nobody and nothing can change. Why then prayers, when they can change nothing anyhow?

265 60/5a: "- - - a (test and) trial - - -". Why does an omniscient and omnipotent god who on top of all predestines everything, have to test anybody at all?

466 62/5c: "- - - the Mosaic Law - - -". The laws of Moses in the Bible - - - and in connection to the claimed "Mother Book" in heaven a time anomaly when it was written, if man has the slightest grain of free will. (A book like the claimed "mother of the Book" = the Quran ONLY could have been written on beforehand if man - and animals - is/are totally without free will and absolutely everything is 100% predestined. If not full precognition is absolutely impossible, as someone could change their mind once more and then change the future - the laws of chaos are efficient for changing the future in such cases.)

467 62/8a: "The Death from which ye (Jews*) will flee will truly overtake you - - -". According to the Quran it is not possible to make your death come later than what Allah has predestined. His predestination is absolute, and nothing and nobody can change it.

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###468 62/9c: "- - - prayer - - -". What is the idea with and the effect of prayers in Islam? The Quran MANY places states that Allah predestines absolutely everything, and he predestines it according to his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. And he predestines it long time before it is going to happen - he f.x. according to Hadiths predestines whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven already when you are a 4 months old fetus = 5 months before you are born. Now the Quran tells that man also has free will - a necessary claim not to make Allah very unjust when he sends a person to Hell for sins (or for that case rewards him for good deeds) - but those are two things which are impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god to combine. Give man even the slightest degree of free will, and the laws of chaos inexorably finish off predestination - the god can make things happen by adjusting this and that, but the moment man gets the possibility to change his mind once more about something, full predestination is gone - and the same is full precognition. Even Islam admits that full predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man (some claim that partly free will is possible, but that is wrong - the laws of chaos is very clear on that point; the so-called "butterfly effect" kicks in): We quote ###(A6/141 - comment to verse 6/149): “In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true". But here Islam is leaving religion, and entering pure mysticism. In the non-material realms of life there are things impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god. Proofs for this in 6/149a above.

If there is complete predestination in Islam like the Quran states absolute several places in the Quran, prayers can have no effect in this religion - everything is already decided and nothing can be changed in Allah’s long since predestined Plan. To claim the opposite just is mysticism, not religion.

Combine this with 67/9c and you get a dark picture.

Also forgiving is impossible in Islam if nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan.

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469 62/11c: "But when they (people*) see some bargain or some amusement, they disperse headlong to it, and leave thee (Muhammad*) standing". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

470 63/5d: "- - - pray - - -". If Allah predestines everything and according to a plan nobody and nothing can change, what then is the effect of prayers in Islam? - it can change nothing anyhow.

471 63/11b: "- - - the time appointed (for it) - - -". Predestination once more - and as normal in the Quran it is claimed to be impossible to change Allah's predestination. Then why bother to try? - and why f.x. pray for betterment or forgiving?

472 64/11a: "No kind of calamity can occur, except by the leave of Allah - - -". Allah decides and predestines everything.

473 67/2b: "- - - that He (Allah*) may try which of you is best in deed - - -". But why does an omniscient, predestining god need to try anybody at all?!

474 67/12c: "- - - Forgiveness - - -". There only are two who can forgive: The victim and a god. This means that unless Allah exists and in addition is a god - neither of which is proved - he cannot forgive anyhow. Besides: How is it possible to forgive without changing details in Allah's predestined Plan, which nobody and nothing can change, according to several statements in the Quran?

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

475 68/17c: "- - - tried - - -". But the big enigma: WHY does an omniscient, predestining god who knows absolutely everything have to try people? - there is no logic in it. (But if it was Muhammad who needed an "explanation" for why people were sent on raids for riches, etc. for Muhammad, then there suddenly is full logic.)

##476 68/28c: "Why not glorify (Allah)?". (A68/14): "This is obviously a reference to their (non-Muslims'*) failure to realize that nothing can come about unless the Almighty (Allah*) so wills". We include this as a sample of modern Islam's point of view on Allah deciding everything - he predestines absolutely everything according to the Quran even today - contra the Quran's and Islam's claims about man's free will (or partly free will as some Muslims try to explain away the impossibility with - but if Allah decides everything "partly free will" is as meaningless as free will). As you see also modern Islam claims that Allah decides everything - - - but also tries to explain that all the same man has free will, even if they admits it is impossible to understand how it can be combined with full predestination by Allah (see A6/141 - comment to verse 6/149 above). To combine full predestination for Allah with even a little free will for man, is an impossibility. Worse: To combine even a part of 1% free will for man with full predestination for Allah, also is an impossibility - the laws of chaos quickly sees to that.

477 68/43: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) had been summoned aforetime - - -". Only by an unreliable man of doubtful moral quality even according to the central Islamic religious books, and a man without ANY kind of credentials to show for himself - none at all. Besides: If Allah exists, and has predestined all your life like the Quran states several places, how can a fair god judge you for what he has forced you to do??! See f.x. 68/45c below.

478 68/45c: "- - - My (Allah's*) Plan". A reference to Allah's Master Plan where everything is decided and predestined, and where nobody can change even the smallest detail - unless also that is in accordance with Allah's Plan.

479 69/19a: "- - - his (Muslim's*) Record - - -". But why does an omniscient, predestining god need to keep a record?

480 69/25a: "- - - his (Muslim's*) Record - - -". But why does an omniscient, predestining god need to keep a record?

##481 70/22b: "- - - prayer - - -". What are the idea with and the effect of prayers in Islam. The Quran MANY places states that Allah predestines absolutely everything, and he predestines it according to his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. And he predestines it long time before it is going to happen - he f.x. according to Hadiths predestines whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven already when you are a 4 months old fetus = 5 months before you are born. Now the Quran tells that man also has free will - a necessary claim not to make Allah very unjust when he sends a person to Hell for sins (or for that case rewards him for good deeds) - but those are two things which are impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god to combine. Give man even the slightest degree of free will, and the laws of chaos inexorably finish off predestination - the god can make things happen by adjusting this and that, but the moment man gets the possibility to change his mind once more about something, full predestination is gone - and the same is full precognition. Even Islam admits that full predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man (some claim that partly free will is possible, but that is wrong - the laws of chaos is very clear on that point; the so-called "butterfly effect" kicks in): We quote (A6/141 - comment to verse 6/149): “In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true". But here Islam is leaving religion, and entering pure mysticism. In the non-material realms of life there are things impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god. Proofs for this in 6/149a above.

If there is complete predestination in Islam like the Quran states as absolute several places in the Quran, prayers can have no effect in this religion - everything is already decided and nothing can be changed in Allah’s long since predestined Plan. To claim the opposite just is mysticism, not religion, not to mention any reality or truth.

482 70/41: "- - - (- - - Our (Allah's*) Plan)". Allah has anything - even the smallest details - planned and predestined in his Plan which nobody and nothing can change.

483 71/4c: "- - - for a stated Term - - -". = For the term Allah has predestined.

Full predestination does not exist in the Bible. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. If they had been, such a central point as this had been the same from the two.

484 71/4d: "- - - when the Term given by God (here Allah*) is accomplished, it cannot be put forward" When Allah has predestined something and made it part of his Plan, nothing and nobody can change it - what Allah has predestined, cannot be changed.. (Then why f.x. prayers, as nothing can change his predestinations according to the Quran?)

485 71/7b: "- - - they (opponents of Noah*) have (only) thrust their fingers into their ears, covered themselves with their garments, grown obstinate, and given themselves up to arrogance". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

486 72/17a: "That We (Allah*) might try them (people*) - - -". Why does an omniscient and predestining god need to try people? - according to the Quran he knows absolutely everything?

487 72/25b: "- - - or whether my (Muhammad's/Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) will appoint for it a distant term". The predestination once more - Allah predestines everything, according to the Quran. (You will meet Muslims claiming it is not real predestination, as predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man - even partly such - and thus it is immoral for Allah to reward or punish people for what they do. But the Quran is extremely clear on that Allah predestines every detail of every ones' life and much more.

488 73/6c: "- - - Prayer - - -". What is the idea and effect of prayers in Islam, if Allah already has predestined everything?

489 73/20a: "- - - (to prayer) - - -". But what mission can prayers have if the god has predestined everything long time before?

490 74/31c: "- - - a trial - - -". But why does an omniscient and predestining god need to try people?!

491 74/38: "Every soul will be (held) in pledge for their deeds". Is this fair if Allah predestines everything you say and do like the Quran states? (The Quran claims that man also has free will, but this is not possible to combine with full predestination, even for an omnipotent god, as the two are mutually excluding each other - in the non-material realms of life, there are things impossible also for omniscient and omnipotent gods.)

492 74/43: "We (non-Muslims*) were not of those who prayed". But what is the idea with and effect of prayer in the Quran and in Islam, if Allah has predestined everything long before, and according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change? - the two claims are mutually excluding each other.

493 74/56a: "But none will keep it in remembrance except as Allah wills - - -". Predestination. See 74/31k+l above.

#####494 75/14: "- - - evidence - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need evidence? Of course one may say that it is to show others, but that only is necessary if the others do not trust his words. Also remember that Muslims hardly make any difference between words like "unlikely, but slightly possible", "coincidence", "a chance for", "perhaps", "likely", "probable", "theory", "claim", etc. etc. and "evidence/proof", "fact", etc., when they find things which they like - in such cases the normal is to treat everything like evidence or proved fact. Also remember their strong tendency to quote the Quran, other Islamic books, quasi-science or twisted science, etc. and pretend it is proofs or facts. Always in such cases demand real proofs from them, included proofs for that the Quran really tells the truth in cases where they quote that book as a "proof" - too much is wrong in the Quran, and therefore it has very little value as a proof, unless real proofs are given in addition.

495 75//31c: "- - - pray". But to what avail are prayers in Islam? If it is true like the Quran states many times, that Allah predestines everything long before and according to a Plan nobody and nothing can change, also prayers can change nothing - the two claims (predestination contra any value of prayers) are mutually excluding each other, and maximum one of them can even theoretically be true - there are things impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god, too.

496 76/2c: "- - - in order to try him (man*) - - -". There are questions Muslims never answer if they can evade it - and when forced to answer they just produce claims or evasions. One of them is why does an omniscient and predestining god need to test people??!

497 76/3c: "- - - whether he (man*) be grateful or ungrateful (rests on his will)". How can this be possible if Allah predestines everything according to his unchangeable Plan? - it has to rest on the Plan.

498 76/25: "And celebrate the name of your (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". = Pray to or glorify. But what is the value and effect of prayers if Allah long since has predestined everything and is unchangeable? And as for glorifying: See 1/1a above and see if you think he deserves it - - - if he exists.

##499 76/30a: “But ye (humans*) will not, except as Allah wills.” Total predestination. Contradicted by:

  1. 8/30 (614-618 AD): “Whenever misfortune happens to you (humans*), it is because of the things your hands have wrought - - -”. Also see 6/22 (630-632 AD): “No misfortune can happen on earth or in your souls but is recorded in a decree before We (Allah*) bring it into existence.”
    But also see all the places where Muhammad tells his people that battle is not dangerous - and refusing to do battle is to no avail - as Allah has long since decided the hour of their death, and nothing they do or not do, can change that hour. This point really goes to the heart of two facts in Islam:
  2. Muhammad came to stress predestination more and more as the years went by in Medina - one can speculate if the reason was that he needed warriors.
  3. And this is a serious point: THROUGH 1400 YEARS ISLAM HAS BEEN UNABLE TO EXPLAIN THE CONTRADICTING STATEMENTS THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL, AND THAT ALLAH DECIDES AND PREDESTINES EVERYTHING. THE MORE OR LESS OFFICIAL POINT OF VIEW (THOUGH NOT AMONG THE UNEDUCATED ONES THAT HARDLY UNDERSTANDS THE PROBLEM) IS THAT THE TWO STATEMENTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE, “BUT IT HAS TO BE TRUE ALL THE SAME AS IT IS SAID IN THE QURAN”(!!!). ALSO THE SENDING PEOPLE TO HELL FOR A FAIR PUNISHMENT COMBINED WITH THE “FACT” THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERYTHING BY PREDESTINATION, IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMBINE WITH THE PRESUMPTION OF A BENEVOLENT AND/OR FAIR GOD. Some Muslims back paddle very much on the point of predestination and try to explain that it is not real predestination, though unable to explain what it then is - but the Quran is too clear on this.
  4. Islam also never has explained how prayers can have value or meaning if Allah has predestined everything and according to his unchangeable Plan long time ago.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Similar goes for forgiving in Islam - it will change Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change" according to the Quran.

ACTUALLY THIS ONE IS EXTRA INTERESTING, AS IT CONFIRMS THAT ALLAH DECIDES WHAT A HUMAN WILL. A N D W H E R E I S T H E N T H E C L A I M E D F R E E W I L L O F M A N ?

500 76/31e: "- - - for them (non-Muslims*) He (Allah*) has prepared a grievous Penalty". This only is right if Allah exists, and if they in addition have had free will, so that they sinned from choice, not from being forced to by Allah's predestination - but punish he can do even if he should happen to be from the dark forces, just cheating Muhammad by pretending to be a god.

501 78/17c: "- - - the Day of Sorting Out is a thing appointed - - -". Once more the predestination - Allah predestines everything included the Day of Doom according to his unchangeable Plan.

502 78/26: "(Hell is*) A fitting recompense (for them) (sinners*)". Wrong. There is no reasonable correspondence between the sins of a normal sinner, and the horrible and sadistic punishment in Hell.

AND NOT LEAST: IS IT FITTING IF IT IS ALLAH WHO BY HIS PREDESTINATION HAS MADE YOU DO IT?

503 78/29: "And all things have We (Allah*) preserved on record". Why does a claimed omniscient and predestining god need a record?

504 78/30a: "So taste ye (non-Muslims*) (the fruits of your deeds) - - -". Is it in any way fair for a claimed good and benevolent god to punish for deeds he himself has predestined and thus forced the person to do? (We are aware of the Islamic claim that man has free - or partly free - will, but that is not possible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god to combine with full predestination unmistakably stated many places in the Quran - that claim simply is not true).

505 79/42b: "- - - its appointed time - - -". Allah predestine everything according to his unchangeable Plan - included the Day of Doom.

506 79/44: "With thy (Muslims'/Muhammad’s*) Lord (Allah*) is the Limit fixed therefore". Allah decides and predestines absolutely everything according to the Quran.

507 81/15b: "- - - I call to witness - - -". Who is speaking here? It may be Allah - but why do an omniscient, predestining god need witnesses? Or it may be Muhammad - but how can a human speak in a copy of the "mother book" in Heaven, a book which on top of all has to be billions of years old if it is made before the universe or at least before the Earth?

508 81/29a: "But ye (people*) shall not will except as Allah wills". This can be understood at least in 2 ways in this book of claimed very clear texts: You ought not to want to or do other things than what Allah will like - or it may be a reference to Allah's predestination; you shall for all times say and do only what Allah wills you to say and do.

509 82/11: "- - - writing down (your deeds) - - -". Why does an omniscient and predestining god need the deeds written down? - and why writing? - does an omniscient and omnipotent god have more "modern" means?

510 83/13c: "- - - he (a skeptic*) says (to Muhammad*), 'Tales of the - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

511 84/7a: "- - - Record - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need to keep records?

512 84/10b: "- - - Record - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need to keep records?

513 85/19c: "- - - the Unbelievers (persist) in rejecting (the stories Muhammad told*) - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones) If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help or wishing for forgiving, if everything already is predestined in accordance to a Plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 5 reasons - at least 3 of them unavoidable - for this.

514 89/15a: "Now, as for man, when his Lord (Allah*) trieth him - - -". A trial only was possible if Allah exists (but if he does, a trial was possible no matter if Allah is a god or something else dressed up like a god - actually the last explanation in case is most likely, as there is no reason for an omniscient god to try anyone, as he knows everything already, and even more so if he also predestines everything).

515 102/6: "- - - certainty - - -". See f.x. 2/2b and 81/19a above.

"- - - certainty - - -" (and "predestination"):

A. Occam's Broom (the same Occam as the one with the razor): "The intellectual dishonest trick of ignoring facts that refute your argument in the hope that your audience won't notice". (New Scientist 21.Sept. 2013.) This trick is frequently used by Muhammad, by Islam, and by Muslims arguing for the Quran's texts and for Islam - just use your ears and/or eyes, and brain, and you will find lots and lots of samples, f.x. in some of Muhammad's lies in the Quran.

B. "'Surely' (etc.*) and rhetorical questions - whenever you encounter these in a text, stop and think. The author usually wants you to skate over them as if the claim is so obvious as to be beyond doubt, or the answer self-evident. The opposite is often the case." (Graham Lawton.) Also this trick is very often used in the Quran, by Islam, and by Muslims.

Try to count such cases in the Quran - they are MANY. Especially the never proved claim "the Truth" and similar are very often used. Samples: "Without doubt", "certain", "verily", "clear", "right", "fact", "wrong", "sign", "proof" (even modern Muslims disuse this word often), "term appointed", "predestined", "If Allah wanted - - -", "non-Muslims are bad, Muslims are good", "error", "wisdom", and more.

#######Like said these two rhetorical ways of dishonesty are used very many places in the Quran - we have not counted, but hundreds. Each of them may be a hidden lie - is a lie if the orator knows his point is a claim or bluff or worse, and not a proved or provable fact. And according to the Quran what is said in the Quran, is said by Allah.

Who needs such tricks? - the cheat and deceiver, the swindler and the charlatan.

516 107/5: "- - - their (regular*) Prayers - - -". This demand for regular prayers - 5 times a day - was so essential for Allah (he even wanted more often according to Hadiths) that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. For Yahweh such formalism was so totally without any interest, that no similar rule - not even the idea - at all is mentioned in the entire Bible: Pray when there is a reason or a need or a wish. One of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 23/9b above.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Sub-total Chapter 79 = 516 + 7.513 = 8.029.


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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".