Allah in the Quran, Chapter 84
01 Jan 2015
NON-MUSLIMS UNDER ISLAM - ALLAH'S ORDERS FOR THIS
001 This chapter is short, but actually it would need only verses 8/67, 9/5, and 9/29 to tell the full and dark story - a story which has little to do with Muslims' rosy claims about how well non-Muslims in Muslim lands used to be treated, or their tales about a Golden Age of co-existence between Muslims and non-Muslims in Muslim lands in the past. (This claimed Golden Age never existed - see the chapter about this in "www.1000mistakes.com" - "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" - Book A).
002 If you read the Quran, you will find a lot more points indicating what, status, treatment, etc. non-Muslims "deserves" under Islam. They are so easy to see, even though many are indicated only indirectly, that we just pick some samples here.
####### Another - and serious - point is that to "explain" that the Quran means something different from what it really says, is to corrupt it.
Also: What is sure, is that no god ever made a holy book as full of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, unclear language, etc. like the Quran. #### Besides: Which one of the 20-30 known versions accepted by Islam of the Quran (see 15/9c) - if any (and there were even more versions through the times) - is in case the correct one?
Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable are that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?
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***003 8/67a: “It is not fitting for a Prophet (Muhammad*) that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land”. One of the moral and ethical real pinnacles in Islam. It takes an effort - and resources - to take care of prisoners. This Muhammad did not like - and voila! - Allah ordered him to kill all prisoners (of course with the exception of the ones one wanted as slaves or wanted to keep for extorting money for from their families - or women and girls for "personal use").
No doubt at all: A morally and ethically superior prophet, god, and religion, and with lots of empathy - not to forget the perfect and good and kind and good-hearted Muhammad who was free from sins. (Actually there never were philosophers thinking on morality and ethics in Islam like f.x. in the old Greece or later in the West. Muhammad just picked from the contemporary traditions - in some cases he picked good ideas, in other cases he chose rather inhuman ideals, and that was it, as it never later has been permitted to think about whether his rules are good - or the best - or not.)
Does anybody wonder why Muslim warriors and terrorists sometimes murder prisoners - guilty or not?
Non-Muslims in newly conquered land live an often difficult very dangerous life under Islam.
####004 8/69a: “ "But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good - - -”. This is one more of the moral and ethical pinnacles in the Quran: Wage war, and then it is “lawful and good” to steal and rob and plunder and extort - and rape the women and girl children and take slaves. It actually is connected to 8/68a above, but like so often in the Quran specific episodes, etc, are given general meaning.
During war/raids and after conquests Muslims can steal ANYTHING they like, included raping women and girl children (history also clearly indicates that homosexuality was part of life for a percentage of Muslims) and - at least according to the Quran - take what slaves they want, and non-Muslim victims can say and do nothing about it. Yes, in principle Muslims can do this against non-Muslims any time they want, as long as they see to it that there are no Muslim witnesses - according to the rules non-Muslims cannot witness against Muslims.
But of course this quote made it easy and cheap for Muhammad and his successors to get warriors. That such behavior is a catastrophe for any and all victims - and in some cases set back the civilization may be some hundred years like in Persia/Iran (according to science it took Persia 100+ years to return to the level it had before the Arabs attacked) - does not count, as non-Muslim “Untermench” ("sub-humans" in Nazi German) do not count.
This even more so as for fanatics nearly every situation they do not like, can be defined as war against Islam “in the widest meaning of the word” - not to mention that according to Islam’s definition all areas not dominated by Islam are “land of war”. Really a morally and ethical superior religion - compare f.x. to the silly and invalid "Do unto others like you want others do against you", which many religions and culture have as their "constitution". And really a peaceful one.
And honestly the word “good” in ”lawful and good” classifies Muhammad, the Quran and Islam. Laws can be twisted and remade and it is no problem for an absolute dictator to make what laws he wants and thus make things “lawful” – quotation marks used on purpose. But the word “good” is an absolute – flexible “borders”, but fundamentally an absolute. Allah’s/Muhammad’s real rules for behavior against all outsiders is way outside “good”, and the hypocrisy in the using of abrogated verses in the Quran to make outsiders believe something else, makes this aspect of the religion and its hypocrisy even more disgusting.
#####005 8/69c: "- - - lawful and good - - -". If these words and the context it is taken from ("- - - enjoy what (loot, extortion, slaves, and women* + destruction and murder*) ye took (= stole*) in war (normally of aggression*), lawful and good - - -", were all you knew about the Quran and Islam, this alone would be enough to remove it from the civilized parts of the world and transfer it to the dark, harsh, and inhuman Medieval ages or earlier. This even more so as this is not "abrogated" by today's Islam, but on the contrary preached and even practiced today (during armed conflicts and incidents) in some Islamic societies and groups.
006 8/69d: "- - - good - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral code - sometimes very immoral. In just this case the use of this word is a black joke compared to the fundamental sentence of all inter-human moral: "Do onto others like you want others do onto you".
###007 9/5a: "“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and size them, beleaguer them, and lay in wait for them in every stratagem (of war).” Not even an incitement, but a clear order. (The old Arabia had 4 holy months a year - no. 1, 7, 11, 12 - when it was forbidden to wage war – though the Muslims at least made one raid during such a month. Islam took over this pagan custom like so many other pagan customs. These months are quite likely what “the forbidden months” refer to, but it also may mean the time from a covenant is lifted, till it is void. Unclear like so much in the Quran.
008 9/5aa: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and size them, beleaguer them, and lay in wait for them in every stratagem (of war).” Guess if this collides with NT! Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? Is there a stronger word than impossible anywhere? Incompatible with the Bible.
###009 9/5b: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and size them, beleaguer them, and lay in wait for them in every stratagem (of war.)”
#######This is “the Verse of the Sword” – the single verse in the Quran that is reckoned to contradict and to abrogate most peaceful verses of all the harsh and inhuman and bloody verses from the Medina period. Muslim scholars say it abrogates 124 verses in the book, We have seen no numbers for how many it contradicts, but hardly fewer (also all abrogations in reality are contradictions – that is why they are deemed abrogations: to make one or more of the contradicting points invalid so that it is possible to live and behave according to the book - - - and to claim there are no contradictions in it as the contradicting point is abrogated, though this last fact Muslims never mention).
There are so many verses that 9/5 contradicts, that we have not found all. But note that all abrogations also were contradictions before one or more of the contradicting verses were abrogated (which is one of the reasons why it is nonsense when some Muslims say abrogations do not exist in the Quran – abrogations mean Allah is not omniscient, but had to try and fail and/or changed his mind every now and then. Without abrogations you have a lot more of serious contradictions in the book, and which is worst of contradictions which make the book impossible to follow in life, or abrogations that at least makes you wind your way through life? (but shows that Allah often was unable to find the best solution with the first try)). You will find more in the chapter about abrogations in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".
Surah 9, including 9/5, came in 631 AD and according to the Islamic rules for abrogations, this means that it overrides nearly everything in the Quran (as normally the youngest abrogates the older).
Some of the contradictions (many of them also abrogations) follow a little further down.
010 9/5c: The Muslims and Muhammad had treaties with some pagan tribes who had kept their part of the treaties as promised. Muhammad therefore could not attack them before the time/months of agreement (or holy months?) were over, “for Allah loveth the righteous”.
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, and seize them and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in any stratagem of war”.
- Do you see the sick irony? Your partners - kill them as soon as permitted because they are not Muslims. Can the same happen to others they have treaties with?
- Pagans - also Arab pagans - got a very rough treatment often (though modern Muslims never mention this when talking about how well past Muslims treated non-Muslims); frequently they only got two choices: Die or become Muslims - in open violation of the Quran’s word about no compulsion in religion. (A word they often like to quote today even though they know it is dead - abrogated by 2 -3 dozen later verses.)
- This verse may be one of the reasons for the Muslims’ behavior f.x. when conquering India (now Pakistan + India + Bangladesh) and in Africa. There were large-scale mass murders, enslavement, etc.
- It also is a very nice word for terrorists today, as words from one situation in the Quran, normally can be used in similar situations - and as Muslim terrorists have no treaties with non-Muslims, and especially not in the West, it is just to start killing, because even if Europeans are not pagans, they are not Muslims. The same goes for Muslims' behavior in f.x. Darfur.
***011 9/5d: “- - - and lie in wait for them with any stratagem of war”.
- As the Quran overrides any earthly law or agreement, this sentence may nullify the normal laws of war.
- The laws of war have laboriously been agreed on little by little since the battle of Solferino and before, to make war a little less inhuman. Terrorists accept not one single of the rules, partly because of this verse. The more inhuman the better often. A good religion.
- This sentence is a clear “go ahead” for terrorists for absolutely any atrocity - in Europe or anywhere.
Nice neighbors (but just remember that only a few Muslims are that kind of neighbors - though it may at times be difficult to know who is who, and this is a problem for any non-Muslim).
***012 9/5e: Pagans - and often others - often got a rough deal from Muslims. (Quite an irony, as the Muslims are pagans themselves if the Quran is a made up book - and with all those errors and worse it at least is not from any god.) See the other parts of 9/5 above. The choice often was: Fight and be killed or become Muslims: “But if they (the pagans, etc.) repent, and establish regular prayers (= become Muslims) and practice regular charity, then open the way for them (= let them live*)”. Muslims say that according to the Quran there is no force or compulsion used by Islam to change religion (except pressure, economy, etc. and some pogroms). But this verse says the straight opposite - though we never hear it quoted by Muslims, for some reason or other. But this verse is from as late as 631 AD. According to Islam’s rules if two or more verses “collide”, the newest of them normally is the right one and the older ones are invalidated - abrogated. And this verse preaches: Kill them unless they become Muslims. What is a poor non-Muslim to believe? Especially as we know Muslims under some circumstances are permitted - or even advised to if necessary - to lie for non-Muslims.
This verse is said by Islamic scholars to abrogate - make invalid - 124 older and milder verses in the Quran. Here are some of them:
- 2/109 “- - - but (Muslims*) forgive and overlook (Jews and Christians*) - - -.” But that was long before 9/5 and other hard verses.
- 2/190: “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits - - -.” 9/5 does not care much about limits.
###2/256: “Let there be no compulsion in Religion - - -.” This is the flagship for all Muslims who wants to impress non-Muslims about how peaceful and tolerant Islam is. But NB! NB! The surah says: “Let there be - - -.” It is an incitement or – judging also from 2/255 – more likely a wish, it is not something which was a fact or a reality. It is a hope or a goal for the future, it is not something that existed (or exists - just ask a fundamentalist or a terrorist) – and all the same most Muslims quote it like this: “There is no compulsion in Religion” - - - a small, little “Kitman” (lawful half-truth – an expression special for Islam together with “al-Taqiyya, “the lawful lie”) in addition to the obvious al-Taqiyya as there in many a Muslim country are compulsions towards non-Muslims and towards Muslims wanting to change religion. This makes the Quran and the religion sound much more friendly and tolerant than the reality is some places.
Do not tell that to 9/5.
- 2/272: “It is not required of thee (O Messenger (Muhammad*)) to set them on the right path - - -.”
- 3/20: “If they (“infidels”*) do (become Muslims*), they are in right guidance, but if they turn back, thy duty is to convey the Message - - -.” This – that his duty was to convey the message (only), was deeply contradicted – and abrogated - by at least those of these verses that came after surah number 3 (in 625 AD), and we add the ones of them that came before, too, because Islam says an older verse in clear cases can abrogate a younger one (it is the one exception from the standard rule that the newest abrogates the older ones, though it is seldom used). Anyhow it is a clear-cut contradiction – and abrogated by many verses.
- 4/62: “Those men (not good Muslims or apostates*) - - - keep clear of them, but admonish them, and speak to them a word to reach their very soul.”
- 4/81: “- - - so keep clear of them (hypocrites, “infidels”) - - -.” 9/5 instead wants you to kill them.
- 4/90: “- - - if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah hath opened no way for you (to war against them.)” Guess if this changed later!!!
- 5/28: “If thou (“infidels”, Cain*) dost stretch thy hand against me (Muslims, Abel*), it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee - - -.”
- 5/48: “- - - so strive as in a race in all virtues.” In a race you strive peacefully. 9/5 is terror and war and inhumanity.
- 5/99: “The Messenger’s duty is but to proclaim (the Message) - - -.” Oh??
- 6/60: “Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement - - -“.
- 6/66: “Not mine (Muhammad’s*) is the responsibility for arranging your (“infidels’”*) affairs.” No, his responsibility only is to kill you or suppress you or force you to become a Muslim.
- 6/70: “Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement - - -.” No comment necessary.
- 6 /104: “I (Muhammad*) am not (here) to watch over your doings”.
- 6/107: “- - - but We (Allah*) made thee (Muhammad*) not to watch over their (“infidels’) doing - - -.”
- 6/112: “- - - so (Muhammad*) leave them (opponents*) and their Invention (gods*) alone.”
- 6/158: “Wait ye (“infidels”*): we (Muhammad*) too are waiting.” He later stopped waiting.
- 7/87: “- - - hold yourselves in patience until Allah doth decide between us: for He is the best to decide.”
- 7/188: “I (Muhammad*) am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings – to those who have faith.” A warner and a warrior.
- 7/193: “- - - for you (Muhammad*) it is the same whether ye call them or ye hold your peace!”
- 7/199: “(Muhammad*) Hold to forgiveness (towards the “infidels”*).
- 8/61: “But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (Muhammad*) (also) incline towards peace - - -.”
- 9/68: “- - - therein (Hell*) shall they (hypocrites and “infidels”*) dwell: sufficient is it for them - - -.” Later it was not sufficient - Muhammad and his followers sent them there (or at least killed them).
- 10/41: “My work to me (Muhammad*), and yours to you! Ye are free from responsibility for what I do, and I for what you do.” Later he took the responsibility of forcing them to believe.
- 10/99: “Wilt thou (Muhammad*) then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!” Irony.
- 10/102: “Wait ye “non-Muslims*) then: For I (Muhammad), to, will wait with you.”
- 10/108: “- - - those (“infidels”*) who stray, do so for their own loss, and I (Muhammad*) am (not set) over you to arrange your affair.” Muhammad did not want them to arrange their own affairs, but later when he became stronger – then he wanted them to become Muslims and soldier, so that they could strengthen his own affairs of war and power.
- 11/12: “But thou (Muhammad*) art only there to warn”. And then some more – at least after 622 AD.
- 11/121: “Say to those who do not believe: ‘Do what ye can: we shall do our part’”. This was in 621 AD. Muhammad/Allah was/were still speaking peace – but not for much longer.
- 13/40: “- - - thy (Muhammad’s*) duty is to make (the Message) reach them (“infidels”): It is Our (Allah’s*) part to call them to account.” Well, from 622 AD this also became a part of the "duty" of Muhammad and his men.
- 15/3: “Leave them (the disbelievers*) alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves - - -.” This was in 621 AD. It did not take long before Allah needed to change and contradict his word, when he started to change his rather peaceful religion to one of inhumanity and blood and war (luckily many Muslims do not live according to those parts if the Quran).
- 15/94: “- - - turn away from those who join false gods with Allah.”
- 16/35: “But what is the mission of the Messengers but to preach the Clear Message?” Surah 16 is one of the very last surahs from Mecca – months later the contents started to change, and contradictions – and abrogations – were necessary for the changes to a war religion. Then - was the message clear in 622 AD?
- 16/82: “- - - thy (Muhammad’s) duty is only to preach the clear Message.” This was just months before Muhammad fled from Mecca in 622 AD. But a little later he came to Medina and started to gain power:
- 16/125: “Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord (Allah*) with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious - - -.”
- 16/126: “And if ye do catch them out, catch them out no worse than they catch you out: but if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient.”
- 16/127: “And do thou (Muhammad*) be patient, for thou patience is but from Allah; nor grieve over them: and distress not thyself because of their plots.”
- 17/54: “We (Allah*) have not sent thee (Muhammad*) to be a disposer of their (“infidels’”*) affairs for them”. Allah or Muhammad started to change his mind about this one year later – in 622 AD – when Muhammad started to gain enough military power to decide “their” religion for them. (In spite of what Islam likes to tell, Islam to a large degree was introduced by the sword – and by the wish for taking part in the looting/robbing/stealing/raping and slave taking – in Arabia).
- 18/29: “- - - let him who will, believe, and let him who will, reject (it) - - -.” Guess if this peaceful line from the last year in Mecca was short-lived before it was abrogated by bloodier ones from Medina like 9/5!
- 18/56: “We (Allah*) only sent the messengers to give glad tidings - - -.” Well, the self proclaimed messenger started to change his mind shortly after he came to Medina. And so did his god.
- 19/39: “But warn them of the Day of Distress - - -.” Here in ca. 615 AD Muhammad should just warn them. The picture changed somewhat as he gained more power some years later.
- 20/130: “Therefore (Muhammad/Muslims*) be patient with what they (“infidels”) say - - -.” That was Muhammad’s tone in Mecca 615 AD or before – and until his flight to Medina in 622 AD. It changed quite a lot from 622 AD and onwards and contradicted quite a lot of the mild words from the Mecca period.
- 21/107: “We (Allah*) sent thee (Muhammad*) not, but for a Mercy for all creatures.” Muhammad was not much of a mercy to the world – read the surahs from Medina. Neither was he a Mercy for all Muslims – read the surahs from Medina + the verses about women, law, slavery, not to mention the to a large part inhuman ethical and moral code and also the war code.
- 21/112: “(Allah*) is the One Whose assistance should be sought against blasphemies.” Well, that was in 621 (?) AD. After 622 AD the sword was handier – blasphemy soon carried a death penalty - - - and there came a number of contradicting texts.
- 22/49: “I (Muhammad*) am (sent) to you (men*) only to give a Clear Warning - - -.” Well this was ca. 616 AD. But from some 6 years later on it was no longer only a warning, but the sword - - - and a lot of contradictions and abrogations in the texts and the teaching.
- 22/68: “If they (“infidels”) do wrangle with thee, say. ‘Allah knows best what it is ye are doing” – and leave them alone. This was ca. 616 AD. But from some 6 years later and more came lots of contradictions and abrogations.
- 23/54: “But leave them (“infidels”*) in their confused ignorance for a time”. This was in 621 or 622 AD, shortly before his – Muhammad’s – flight to Medina. When he started to become military strong enough, it was finish with leaving them alone – and there came a lot of contradictions and abrogations in the teachings and in the religion – from peace to inhumanity and war.
- 23/96: “Repel evil with what is best”. Later it became: Repel evil with evil – do against “infidel” like they do against you or more – at least when it comes to the bad things. Further comments identical to 23/54 above.
- 24/54: “- - - if ye (people*) turn away (from Muhammad*), he is only responsible for the duty placed on him, and ye for that place on you.”
- 26/216: “I (Muhammad*) am free (of responsibility) for what ye (“infidels”*) do!” This was in Mecca ca. 615 – 616 AD. The tone rapidly grew more unfriendly after 622 AD when he grew military strong – and the teachings needed some “adjustments” to fit a war religion = some more contradictions and abrogations:
- 27/92: “I (Muhammad’) am only a Warner”. That was in 615 – 616 AD. From 622 he fast became a robber baron, warlord and dictator – and more verses with contradictions and abrogations appeared. Many of the older verses were abrogated and contradicted when Muhammad grew military strong after 622 AD and the religion was changed to one of war and conquest.
- 28/50: But if they (“infidels”*) hearken not to thee (Muhammad*), know that they only follow their own lusts - - -.”
- 28/55: “To us (Muslims*) our deeds, and to you (“infidels”*) yours; peace be to you - - -.” Mecca 621 or 622 AD carried a much more peaceful tone than after Muhammad gained strength from 622 – 624 AD and needed a religion more fit for robberies, raids and war – and got it from Allah (or was it Allah who wanted more blood than before?) – resulting in contradiction with and abrogation of the old teachings.
- 29/18: “- - - the duty of the messenger is only to preach publicly (and clearly).” Well, as Muhammad grew more powerful, so did his wish for controlling the locals’ and later all the Arabs’ lives and religious ideas - - - force and punishment became means to a goal. With the necessary changes in the religion, and contradictions and necessary abrogations compared to the more peaceful 12-13 years in Mecca.
- 29/46: “And dispute ye not with the People of the Book - - -.“ No comments – but read 9/29 and 9/5 once more.
- 32/30: “So turn away from them and wait - - -.” When Muhammad grew more powerful, there was little waiting. The rest of the Arabian peninsula mainly was turned Muslim by the sword – and some by “gifts”/bribes and promises of looted riches – all of which demanded changes in the religion (or was it the other way around, initiated by a god who found his original religion was not good enough – or too little blood and human tragedy?) which caused contradictions between the old and the new version of Islam – and also abrogations naturally.
- 34/25: “Ye (“infidels”) shall not be questioned as to our sins, nor shall we be questioned as to what you do.” This may mean something like “we prefer to live and let live” and was one of the many more peaceful verses that became overruled – contradicted and abrogated – when Muhammad gained more power (34/25 is from ca. or a little after 620 AD.)
- 34/28: “We (Allah*) have not sent thee (Muhammad*) but as a universal (Messenger) to men giving them glad tidings - - -.”
- 35/23: “Thou (Muhammad*) art no other than a warner.” No, around 615 – 616 AD he was may be only that. But it changed later – from a warner to an enforcer and a robber baron. With the corresponding changes of the religion – and abrogations of and contradictions to the old sayings, like this one.
- 35/24a: “Verily We (Allah*) have sent thee (Muhammad*) in truth as a bearer of Glad Tidings and as a warner - - -.” As for glad tidings, that only goes for the Muslims, and for far from all of them even.
- 36/17: “And our (Muhammad’s*) duty to proclaim the clear message.” Once more something from Mecca (ca. 615 – 616 AD), that was “killed” by “The verse of the Sword" (9/5) and a number of others when later Muhammad also became – or decided that he also was – an enforcer.
- 39/41: “Nor art thou (Muhammad*) set over them (“infidels”) to dispose of their affairs.” But 5 – 7 years later, when Muhammad started to gain power from 622 AD on, this changed – he became an overseer, enforcer and robber baron – and later a warlord - - - and rules/religion had to change. Or was it the other way around – that it was Allah who changed his mind and wanted more inhumanity, immoral action, and blood? Anyhow the result was contradictions and abrogations compared to the old.
- 41/34: “Repel (Evil) with what is better (Good*); then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate”. This surah is from 616 - 618. From Medina on this became irony.
- 42/6: “- - - thou (Muhammad*) art not the disposer of their affairs.” No, not around 614 – 618 AD. But after 622 AD he became quite a lot, included an enforcer – and verses like this were both contradicted and abrogated.
- 42/15: “There is no contention between us (Muslims*) and you (“infidels”).” May be not in 614 – 618 AD. But later Islam was the power class = Muslims (with Muhammad as dictator), and non-Muslims “thoroughly subdued” - - - and with the religion a lot changed = contradictions and abrogations in the Quran.
- 42/48: “Thy (Muhammad’s) duty is but to convey (the Message (the Quran* - or the peaceful parts which existed in 614 – 618 AD*))”. From some years later on, Islam found some of their duties to be more brutal enforcers, so among other verses this one and a lot more were contradicted and abrogated.
- 43/83: “So leave them (“infidels”*) to babble and play (with their vanities) - - -.” Comments like 42/48 just above.
- 43/89: “But turn away from them, and say ‘Peace.’” Comments like 43/48 above.
- 44/59: “So wait thou (Muhammad*) and watch; for they (people*) (too) are waiting”. Here in the peaceful religion from the middle of the Mecca period, Muhammad should wait and see. He became stricter some 10 years later – much stricter.
- 45/14: “Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah (Day of Doom*).” But the word “forgive" was slowly forgotten after 622 AD – when they also took on the duty of also being enforcers.
- 46/9: “- - - I (Muhammad*) am but a Warner, open and clear.” Yes, in 620 AD he only was a self proclaimed warner. Things changed and verses were really abrogated when he got more power a few years later.
- 46/135a: “(Muhammad*) - - - be in no haste about the (unbelievers) - - -.” When he gained power he got more haste – f.x. the reluctant Arabs (and a lot of others) who were not won by gifts and free plundering/enslaving/rape, were won by the sword – in stark contradiction to what Muslims like to tell. "Become Muslim or fight and die!"
- 46/135b: “(Thine (duty Muhammad is*) but) to proclaim the Message (the Quran*).” This was in 620 AD. The changes came in and after 622 AD.
- 50/39: “Bear, then, with patience, all that they (“infidels”*) say - - -.” The patience became much less talked about from one year later on (622 AD).
- **50/45: “We (Allah*) know best what they (the “infidels”*) say; and thou (Muhammad*) art not one to overawe them by force.” Knowing the later history, this verse is a big, ironic or sardonic joke. This surah is from 614 AD
- 51/50-51b: “I (Muhammad*) am from Him (Allah*) a Warner to you (Muslims*), clear and open. And make not another (person/thing/idea*) an object of worship with Allah: I am from Him a Warner to you, clear and open!” This is from Mecca 620. Muhammad is still military weak – and still only a warner. Later he became an enforcer (much of Arabia became Muslims on the point of the sword):
- 51/54: “So (Muhammad*) turn away from them (“infidels”*) - - -.” One more point that was contradicted and abrogated when Muhammad grew military strong from 2 years later on.
- 52/45: “So (Muhammad/Muslims*) leave them (“infidels”*) alone until they encounter that Day - - -.” Leave them alone till the Day of Doom. But neither Muhammad nor his successors left them alone as soon as Islam was military strong enough. And has Islam at any time ever after left their surroundings alone in periods when Islam was military strong?
- 52/47: “And verily, for those who do wrong (“infidels”*), there is another punishment besides this (that in the long run they will lose – and meet the other punishment: Hell*)” A comforting thought at the difficult end of the Mecca period - so just leave them alone. (A confirmation of 52/45, really).
- 53/29: “Therefore shun those who turn away from Our (Muhammad’s*) Message - - -.” That was Muhammad’s words around 612 – 615 AD. 10 years lager the “melody” changed.
- 67/26: “- - - I (Muhammad*) am (sent) only to warn plainly in public.” But 3 - 4 years later (from 622 AD) he started to take on more dirty and inhuman jobs, too.
- 73/10: “And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble (dignity).” This is an early surah (611 – 614 AD). Muhammad has little or no real power, and is a peaceful preacher. Both he and the religion showed other faces when he gained power – or may be Allah wanted more blood and gore and suffering from 622 AD on.
- 73/11: “And leave Me (Allah*) (alone with those) in possession of the good things of life, who (yet) deny the Truth, and bear with them for a little while.” That little while lasted exactly till Muhammad gained enough military power – then he (or Allah*) went for a stricter regime.
- 79/45: “Thou (Muhammad*) art but a Warner - - -.” And he stayed like that - - - until he grew powerful enough to do more than warning – f.x. enforcing and empire-building. And it is a question who changed his mind around 622 AD – Allah or Muhammad? And who changed the religion – Allah or Muhammad? That chance demanded that the relatively peaceful religion from the 12 - 13 years in Mecca had to be both contradicted and abrogated on many a point.
- 86/17: “Therefore grant a delay to the Unbelievers: give respite to them gently (for a while). Guess if this one from 614 AD was abrogated when Muhammad grew more powerful!!
- 88/22: “Thou (Muhammad*) art not to manage (men’s) (religious*) affairs - - -.” One more verse which was abrogated of the more powerful Muhammad – or Allah – later.
- 109/6: “To you (non-Muslim*) be your ways (in religion*), and to me (Muhammad or Muslims*) mine.” It is typical that Muhammad and Islam were peaceful in Mecca – they were not strong enough for anything else. And besides it is possible Muhammad meant it like that, but was destroyed morally by his success in Medina later, like many scientists believe.
We repeat: “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and size them, beleaguer them, and lay in wait for them in every stratagem (of war).” Not even an incitement, but a clear order.
013 9/28c: “Truly the Pagans are unclean - - -”. Pagans are the lowest caste in Islam - even lower than Jews and Christians (though in this case Jews and Christians are included). Not a negative name but a negative description - and a general description like so often when the Quran talks about non-Muslims.
014 9/28d: “Truly the Pagans (people neither Muslims nor Jews nor Christians, though in this case Jews and Christians are included) are unclean - - -” And what is said in the Quran is valid also today and forever. During the Muslim military expansion, pagans - and Jews and Christians - frequently were very harshly and horribly treated - killed by the thousands and even by the tens of thousands and more f.x. in Sind and the rest of India, and often in painful and inhuman ways. Also from Africa there are bad - horrible - stories, but there is less written documentation from Africa. Muslims often complain about f.x. the crusaders and the Mongols. But they never compare that to their own often much worse deeds, f.x. in India and Africa - those are not mentioned, or they are heroism and justice.
015 9/28e: “Truly the Pagans (people neither Muslims nor Jews nor Christians, though in this case Jews and Christians are included)) are unclean, so let them not - - - approach the Sacred Mosque (the Kabah*)". Now you know why those people are not permitted there.
016 9/28f: “Truly the Pagans (people neither Muslims nor Jews nor Christians, though in this case Jews and Christians are included) are unclean, so let them not - - - approach the Sacred Mosque". Part of the sharia laws.
####017 **9/29a: “Fight those who believe not in Allah - - -.” A most clear order - - - in spite of “no compulsion in religion” (2/256). One of those clear orders which shows the reality and belies the glorious words. As said before: Whenever there is discrepancy between reality and propaganda, we believe in the reality.
Compare this sentence with the 3 samples below and weep:
- 2/256: “Let there be no compulsion in religion”. This is the flagship for all Muslims who wants to impress non-Muslims about how peaceful and tolerant Islam is. But NB! NB! The surah says: “Let it be - - -.” It is an incitement or – judging also from 2/255 – more likely a wish, it is not a manifested fact. It is a hope or a goal for the future, it is not something that exist – and all the same most Muslims quote it like this: “There is no compulsion in Religion” - - - a small, little “Kitman” (lawful half-truth – an expression special for Islam together with “al-Taqiyya", the lawful lie) which makes the Quran and the religion sound much more friendly and tolerant.
- 5/28: “If thou (“infidels”, Cain*) dost stretch thy hand against me (Muslims, Abel*), it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee - - -.” When you read this, remember that Muslims have few if any overall moral codes. What they have to do is to look for “What did Muhammad say about such things?” If he has said or done something, they take that as a moral code – good moral or not. If not, they have to look in the book: “Is there a parallel situation somewhere?” If they find – sometimes by stretching imagination – that is the way to act, or the alibi for how one wishes to act. Mind also that this verse is one of the very few in all the Quran that is in accordance with the teachings of Jesus – one of the very few. And it is totally “murdered” by abrogations.
- 29/46: “And dispute ye not with the People of the Book - - -. “ No comments – but read 9/29 once more.
##018 9/29b: "Fight (armed war*) those who believe not - - -". An extreme contradiction to the Bible - incompatible to even OT. Religion never was the reason for war even in OT - it was fight for land - and in NT armed fighting hardly is accepted at all. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? Impossible is the only possible answer to both.
But a clear message to non-Muslims both outside and under Islam.
Islam is "the Religion of Peace"?
###019 9/29c: “Fight those who believe not in Allah - - - until they pay jizya (extra tax - often heavy, and sometimes so heavy that the victims had to flee the land, especially if the victims also had to pay land tax - often 50%) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” A clear and unmistakable order - and an order often followed to the letter and more, where the victims had to pay the extra tax under humiliating circumstances. The softest word possible: Discrimination. There are a number of stronger ones. And the jizya frequently was high. Comments on how it is to live under such helpless apartheid conditions is not necessary - the Negroes in South Africa or the South States in USA in earlier times could tell you - even though they at least did not have to pay an extra tax on top of all.
Also see other chapters (in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran")- f.x. “Muslims are better than other people”, like 25/44 or 68/35+36, and “Golden Age of Coexistence".
AS THIS IS A CENTRAL PART OF THE QURAN'S DEMANDS FOR HOW TO TREAT NON-MUSLIMS UNDER ISLAM, THIS EASILY WILL BE THE WAY OF TREATMENT FOR NON-MUSLIMS IN A POSSIBLE MUSLIM WORLD - TOGETHER WITH REINTRODUCTION OF SLAVERY, WHICH IS A VERY ACCEPTED INSTITUTION IN THE QURAN.
020 9/29d: “Fight those who believe not in Allah - - - until they pay jizya (extra tax - sometimes heavy) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.” One of the elements in the sharia laws.
021 9/29m: "- - - until they (non-Muslims*) pay Jizya - - -". Strongly contradicted in NT, which says you shall give to the emperor what belongs to the emperor (the tax) and to Yahweh what belonged to Yahweh (the souls*). I.e. do not mix taxation etc. with the religion (f.x. Matt. 22/15-21). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets? Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
022 9/29n: "- - - jizya - - -". This is a special tax the Quran orders non-Muslims to pay in Muslim countries. In contradiction to the zakat - tax for Muslims - which was regulated in the Quran, there was no limit to the jizya, neither to what it could be used for, nor for how big it could be. The result was that when the leaders needed money, they demanded more jizya - sometimes so much that the non-Muslims had to flee because it was impossible for them to pay. You sometimes meet Muslims claiming the jizya is compensation for that the non-Muslims do not have to serve in the Military, etc. But this is mentioned neither in the Quran, nor in Hadiths - jizya simply is a fiscal tax to get money. Less often mentioned is the land-tax - rent for land - which also could be high. Muhammad f.x. demanded 50% from Jews permitted to live on in Khaybar, ant this in a way became the norm, but it could be at least 70%, and if you add the jizya to this, it is easy to see why many were forced to flee.
###023 9/29p: The non-Muslims in Muslim countries shall pay jizya (extra tax), "and feel themselves subdued". A sentence which is NEVER quoted by Muslims in debates. But a most central sentence when it comes to telling what status, power and position non-Muslims according to the Quran shall have in a Muslim state. And it was harsh realities many places in the old times - they had to pay the Jizya under demeaning conditions at times, and the tax could be so high, that it was ruinous at places and times.
###024 9/29q: The non-Muslims in Muslim countries shall pay jizya (extra tax), "and feel themselves subdued". What had been the reaction if a non-Muslim country had demanded this for their Muslim citizen? - remember here that also this part of the Quran is valid today and forever.
025 9/33i: “It is He (Allah*) Who hath sent his Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of the Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest it”. With plain words: Accept it whether you like it or not – as there is “no Compulsion in Religion.” The goal is worldwide total domination. This verse contradicts (and abrogates) at least these verses (here are 88 out of the 124 Muslim scholars say are abrogated by 9/5): 2/109, 2/190, 2/256, 2/272, 3/20, 4/62, 4/81, 4/90, 5/3, 5/28, 5/48, 5/99, 6/60, 6/66, 6/70, 6/104, 6/107, 6/112, 6/158, 7/87, 7/188, 7/193, 7/199, 8/61, 9/68, 10/41, 10/99, 10/102, 10/108, 11/12, 11/121, 13/40, 15/3, 15/94, 16/35, 16/82, 16/125, 16/126, 16/127, 17/54, 18/29, 18/56, 19/39, 20/130, 21/107, 21/112, 22/49, 22/68, 23/54, 23/96, 24/54, 26/216, 27/92, 28/50, 28/55, 29/18, 29/46, 32/30, 34/25, 34/28, 35/23, 35/24a, 36/17, 39/41, 41/34, 42/6, 42/15, 42/48, 43/83, 43/89, 44/59, 45/14, 46/9, 46/135a, 46/135b, 46/135b, 50/39, 50/45, 51/50-51, 51/54, 52/45, 52/47, 53/29, 67/26, 73/10, 73/11, 79/45, 86/17, 88/22, 109/6. They are all quoted under 9/5. (At least 91 contradictions).
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###027 9/33j: "- - - to proclaim it (Islam*) over all religion - - -". This is a sentence to beware of, because #### this is the official goal for Islam even today and for all foreseeable future: Dominate and suppress - or eradicate - all the others.
To become the religion of the world in a way is a legitimate goal for any religion. But it is not legitimate to use dishonesty or lies to do so. This even more so as the need to use such means, is a strong indication for that something is wrong with the religion. The necessity to force unbelievers to believe, also is a reason for thoughts.
We repeat that this is the official goal for Islam - a goal one should strive and fight for with more or less any means, included dishonesty and terror. A fact nobody should ever forget - - - especially as the Quran is so full of wrong facts and other errors, and thus is not from any god (and Islam consequently thus not from any god).
This sentence also must be seen in connection to 9/29c above.
And it is symptomatic that parallel to this, Islam claims that non-Muslims treat them badly when informing about realities in and connected to Islam, because "according to ethics and rules of modern era interference in anyone's religion is serious crime which cannot be tolerated".
Even correct information about Islam is "serious crime which cannot be tolerated" from "people having destructive minds" and "dirty minds", and they are "criminally minded people". On the background of burning and demolition of churches, etc., and on Muslims' discrimination, mistreatment, and even murder of non-Muslims which Islam does little to stop, words like these receive negative reactions instead of sympathy - who likes obvious hypocrisy?
"The permission to inform about and debate all and everything is the heart blood of democracy. Prohibition of debating what the rulers do not like informed about, is the heart blood of despotism". NB: This quote is not from a Muslim source.
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"WHEN THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NICE WORDS AND REALITY, WE ALWAYS BELIEVE IN THE REALITY" - AND THIS IS THE REALITY IN A POSSIBLE FUTURE MUSLIM WORLD, SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE QURAN PRESCRIBES AND DEMANDS - - - PLUS THE TEMPTATION THAT STEALING/LOOTING, EXTRA TAX AND SLAVES MEANS FREE RICHES - AND FREE RAPE OF SLAVES, MEN AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN (THERE ARE HOMOSEXUALS AND PEDOPHILES ALSO AMONG MUSLIMS) - FOR THE "ÜBERMENCH", THE MUSLIMS, MAKES IT EASY FOR THEM TO OBEY THOSE PRESCRIPTIONS AND ORDERS.
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