Allah in the Quran, Chapter 73

 

Volume III

Section VIII: ALLAH AND OTHER GODS, INCLUDED YAHWEH/GOD + THE BIBLE

Chapter 73:  Allah and other gods (here included Yahweh/God)

Chapter 74:  Allah and Yahweh

Chapter 75:  Allah and the Gospels

Chapter 76:  Allah and Pagans

Section IX: ALLAH AND PROPHETS/MESSENGERS

Chapter 77:  Allah and Jesus

Chapter 78:  llah and Muhammad

Chapter 79:  Allah’s claimed messenger Muhammad lying in the Quran

Chapter 80:  Allah and different prophets and messengers - real and claimed ones

Section X: ALLAH AND HUMANS

Chapter 81:  Allah and Muslims in the Quran

Chapter 82:  Save (us) Muslims

Chapter 83:  Allah and non-Muslims

Chapter 84:  Non-Muslims under Islam - Allah's orders for this

Chapter 85:  Allah and slaves

Chapter 86:  Allah and Women

Chapter 87:  Free will for man?

Section XII: DIFFERENT SUBJECTS

Chapter 88:  Is the Quran a message?

Chapter 89:  Allah and swearing.

Chapter 90:  Allah and the Kabah mosque

Chapter 91:  Allah's servants.

Chapter 92:  Belief because the fathers believed? ("taqlid")

Chapter 93:  Falsehood against Allah?

Chapter 94:  Requests for proofs for Allah/the Quran

Chapter 95:  Surah 6 hard on Allah and on the Quran.

Chapter 96:  Why must omniscient Allah try even his followers? (Also see chapter 62.)

Chapter 97:  Allah and abrogation (making points in the Quran invalid)

Chapter 98 Allah's - and Islam's (and Muslims' sometimes) reliability

Chapter 99:  Allah says: Plain, easy and literal language in the Quran

Chapter 100:  Muslims' covenant with Allah?

Chapter 101:  Allah and love.

Chapter 102:  Allah and swearing '

Chapter 103:  Allah's helpless explanations need explanations from man?

Chapter 104:  The real explanations of some points?

Chapter 105:  "Messengers were sent to every people through all times

Chapter 106:  Different topics.

Chapter 107:  Extra chapter: Muhammad lying in the Quran.


 
Chapter 73

ALLAH AND OTHER GODS

(here included Yahweh/God)

 

001 Muhammad's Allah did not like other gods - but was he different from them? - - - if he existed/exists? After all Allah's history is this: The first we know him he was the polytheistic main pagan god Il further east. Then he became the polytheistic moon god al-Ilah in (at least south) Arabia (it is no coincidence that the crescent moon is the symbol for Allah and for Islam). At the time of Muhammad he had become the main pagan and polytheistic god al-Lah, sometimes named Allah, in Arabia. And then without proving any of his religious claims, Muhammad took him over, dressed him up under the name Allah only, claimed he was the only god and the same god as the Jewish and Christian god Yahweh, and made him his own platform of power. As said; without being able to prove one single of his central words or claims. If the old books - included the Quran - tell the truth on this point, Yahweh and Jesus - and Moses - proved that something or someone supernatural was involved. But Allah and Muhammad? Nothing. Nothing except words and claims so cheap that any believer and any false prophet in any sect or religion could and can use exactly the same words and claims, as long as he/she can evade or fast-talk himself/herself away from all requests for proofs, like Muhammad did.

Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable is that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?

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002 2/163b: "- - - there is no god but He (Allah*) - - -". One more claim without proofs or documentation - like more or less always in the Quran. Claims are cheap. Besides we are back to the problem with Yahweh, which contradicts this point. The Quran accepts that this originally Jewish god existed (exists?). Reality - the deep and fundamental differences in the teachings - proves they cannot be the same god, in spite of the Quran's many, but never documented claims. And whenever there are divergences between claims and reality, we always believe in reality. Also science has proved that the Quran's never documented claims for explanation for these differences - falsifications of the Bible - are wrong, and Islam has proved the same even more strongly by not finding a single proved falsification among the tens of thousands of relevant manuscripts. If Allah exists, thus there has to be at least two gods. But Allah has never proved his existence - there only is Muhammad's words for him - a man who wanted power and more, and who used his religion as his platform of power - like so many self proclaimed prophets have done and do. And the same man who institutionalized al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing) - even though it only was formalized later - personally practiced deception and betrayal, and advised that one should even break ones oaths if that gave a better result. Also see 2/255a, 6/106b and 25/18a below.

003 2/165b: "- - - take (for worship) others beside Allah - - -". Wrong. Non-Muslims do not take other god(s) beside of Allah. One simply does not believe in him and take another/others instead of him - there is quite a difference between "beside" and "instead of". Also see 25/18a below.

004 2/165c: "- - - (other gods*) as equal (with Allah) - - -".

  1. All pagan gods are more or less equal to Allah if Allah just is a dressed up pagan god - remember here that Allah = the former Arab pagan god al-Lah/al-Ilah/Il, which Muhammad dressed up. Muhammad claimed Allah was a real god - but Muhammad claimed very much, and he was a man believing in the use of lies, if that gave better results (al-Taqiyya - the lawful lie, Kitman - the lawful half-truth), etc., in deceit, and even in the breaking of words/promises/oaths if that paid better, so how much is really true in what he told and preached?
  2. All made up gods are more or less equal to Allah if Allah is a made up god. And remember here that the Quran at least is not from any god, and thus simply is made up - by dark forces or by man are the only alternatives, as no god would be involved in a book of a quality like the Quran with all its errors, etc.
  3. All real gods are better than Allah if Allah is a made up god or a dressed up pagan god. There is little doubt that most gods are made up, but there still remains the possibility of f.x. Yahweh - the old, originally Jewish, god even the Quran admits existed (though it tries to high-jack him by wrongly claiming - without the slightest proof - that Yahweh just is another name for Allah).
  4. Only if Allah really is a real god, one may ask which god is the most powerful and wise. Allah here has a problem: He never was able to prove even that he existed. There only are claims and words for his power and wisdom - as opposed to f.x. Yahweh, who proved himself many times if the old books, included the Quran, tell the truth. Because of lack of proofs, Allah here at best can be reckoned to be a pretending top god. But as Yahweh exists also according to the Quran, Allah cannot really pretend to be the only god - Yahweh perhaps may if Allah is not real, but not Allah as the existence of Yahweh is accepted (though tried to camouflage). Also see 2/255a and 25/18a below.
  5. Allah also in case is no good god. There are lots of rosy and glorious words about Allah in the Quran, but so it was about King Chaka among the Zulus, about Djingis Khan in Mongolia, Tamerlane/Timur Lenk among the Turks, about Hitler in Germany, Stalin in the Soviet Union, Mao in China - and Muhammad in Arabia. The reality is that facts and demands and deeds often tell quite another story than glorious propaganda and blindness, and whenever there is discrepancy - to say the least of it in this case - between demands, facts, deeds, and introduced rules on one side, and big and shining words on the other, we believe in the facts, demands, deeds and rules. (Scratch out the glorifying words in the Quran, and see what stories the book really tells about Allah and about Muhammad).
  6. As Yahweh is accepted, Allah - if he exists - cannot be the only god. And he only is the main god if he dominates Yahweh - and all other gods if any more exist. It is little likely that he is the dominating god, however, as he has been unable to prove even his existence. Whereas f.x. Yahweh as said has proved himself many times, if the old books, included the Quran, tell the truth.

005 2/198g: "- - - celebrate His (Allah's*) praises as He has directed you - - -." Actually this sentence is a bit strange - or funny - as most, if not all, the rites during Hajj in Mecca are taken over from the older pagan Arab religion - pagan rites simply.

006 2/211c: "But if anyone, after Allah's favor has come to him, substitutes (something else), Allah is strict in punishment". If you enter Islam and then leave (substitutes Allah with another god), the punishment is strict - if Allah exists and behaves according to Muhammad's teaching. But Muslims do not leave the punishment to Allah - they punish in this world, and often severely. What then if Islam is a made up religion? - the real Muhammad was a man of doubtful morality wanting power, and such men have used religion as a platform of power many a time.

007 3/67d: "- - - he (Abraham*) joined no gods with Allah". Well, according to the Bible Abraham's god was not Allah but Yahweh.

008 4/36a: "Serve Allah, and join not partners with Him - - -". In reality an Arabism, because only the Arabs could be accused of joining other gods with al-Lah/Allah. All others simply did not believe in al-Lah/Allah and had one or more god not in addition to him, but instead of him (and the old Arabs really believed in the pagan al-Lah, not in Muhammad's version of him).

009 4/48a: “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him, - - -.” See 2/255a and 6/106b above, and 25/18a below.

Another point is: Can Allah forgive? To forgive in case means to change his predestined Plan, and to change that Plan is impossible according to several verses in the Quran. Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

And the claim contradicts at least this one:

  1. 4/153: “Yet they (Moses’ Jews*) worshiped the (gold*) calf - - - even so We (Allah*) forgave them - - -“ – which he said he would not/never do in 4/48.

And: To forgive, Allah also must exist.

010 4/48c: "- - - to set up partners with Allah, is to devise a sin most heinous indeed". Only if Allah exists and in addition is a god. And it definitely is not heinous if the "other" god - f.x. Yahweh - do exist (not to mention if Allah in addition just is a made up and mental idol).

011 4/48d: "- - - set up partners with Allah - - -". Non-Muslims do not set up partners with Allah. They simply do not believe he exists and set up another god - or other gods - instead. But Muhammad use the mentioned expression to claim that they know about Allah (and thus certifies his claims about Allah's existence), but have other gods in addition. Wrong. There are in this case oceans between "instead of" and "(together*) with" or "in addition to".

012 4/116b: "- - - one who joins gods with Allah - - -". Non-Muslims do not join gods with Allah. They simply do not believe he exists, and believe in their own god(s). An exception may be the old Arabs, who believed in their main pagan god, al-Lah, which Muhammad claimed in reality was the god, Allah - this in case is one of the Arabisms in the Quran.

013 4/116a: “Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this - - -.” This in reality is identical to 4/48a-f above. See this. Also see 25/18a below. As for forgiving see 2/187d above.

014 4/123d: "Nor will he (non-Muslim*) find, besides Allah, any protector or helper". Perhaps not besides Allah - especially if Allah does not exist, not to mention if he is from the dark forces - but perhaps instead of Allah - - - if f.x. Yahweh exists?

015 4/125a: "Who can do better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah - - -". Anybody if Allah does not exist - and there are at least 3 very good indications for that he is fiction: 1) Muhammad was never able to prove anything. 2) Allah has never in 1400 years given the slightest clear indication for his existence. 3) And the Quran is not from a god - no god would ever be connected to a book of that quality.

016 4/125b: "Who can do better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah - - -". Well, the Bible claims it is better to submit to Yahweh.

Besides: If Allah is a made up god - and at least the Quran is not from any god - how much "better" are then the believers in him?

017 4/143b: "Whom Allah leaves straying - never wilt thou (Muslims/Muhammad*) find for him the Way". Wrong if there exists another god, f.x. Yahweh. Then he may find if not "the way", then "a way" - and may be a better one, if the old books tell the truth.

018 4/173g: "- - - nor will they find , beside Allah, any to protect or help them". Well, if they are Jews or Christians may be there is Yahweh.

019 5/76a. "Will ye (Christians*) worship, besides Allah (Jesus*) - - -". No Christian worships something besides Allah. They do not believe in Allah at all, and worship another god, Yahweh, INSTEAD OF Allah. There is a huge difference between these two concepts. (Oh, we know the Quran's claims - and as normal for the Quran without proofs - that Yahweh and Allah is the same god, but their teachings are far too different for that to be true.)

020 5/76b. "Will ye (Christians*) worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you?" The word "something" here must refer to Mary and Jesus in the previous verse. When it comes to Mary and the Catholics, Muhammad here may have a point - saints are not an idea you find in the Bible. (On the other hand Catholics do not pray to a divine Mary, only to what they believe may be a helper to reach the divine.) As for Jesus we are back to the fact that he several places told he could help - - - and to the old fact that science and Islam both clearly has shown that the Bible is not falsified, even though Islam is dependent on this never documented claim for their religion to survive. (If the Bible is not falsified, it is ever so clear that then the Quran is a made up - falsified - book, as so much of what it claims the Bible tells or should tell, is not from the Bible.)

021 6/1j: (YA834): “- - - hold others as equal (“adala”) with their Guardian-Lord (Allah*).” But the Arab word “adala” has many meanings: A: Hold as equal. B: Balance nicely. C: Deal justly. D: To give compensation or reparation. E: (Hold) something as equivalent to something else. F: To give a just bias or proportion. G: To turn the balance the wrong way. Etc. Twist the text a little and get nearly what meaning you want. The text here in the Quran is nearly as crystal clear as texts come(?), as you understand.

022 6/19f: "Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another God?". The expression "besides Allah" demands that Allah really exists. This is nowhere proved - there only are Muhammad's not too reliable words and claims for this. The expression is invalid unless it is proved that Allah exists.

023 6/64c: "- - - yet ye (non-Muslims*) worship false gods!" As far as Jews and Christians go, this is contradicted in the Bible - a book which on top of all neither mentions Allah nor Muhammad nor many of the most essential parts of Islam - like the duty to pray 5 times a day, the duty to go on pilgrimage to Mecca, the duty to wage war for the religion, etc. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs. Because as long as it is clear the Quran is not from any god, it may be Allah who is a false god.

024 6/71b: "Shall we indeed call on others besides Allah - - -". If Allah is a made up god, one might instead try to call on others instead of Allah. Based on a book full of mistakes, there is not much of a chance that the god Allah exists, this even more so as he never has proved or manifested himself. Never (guess if Islam had screamed about it if our information here had been wrong!)

025 6/78f: "- - - giving partners to Allah". See 25/18a below.

026 6/138d: "- - - soon will He (Allah*) requite them (non-Muslims*) for their inventions (other gods*)". See 3/77b above.

027 6/150f: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) hold others (other gods*) equal to their Guardian Lord (Allah*)". See 25/18a below.

028 6/161j: "- - - he (Abraham*) (certainly) joined not gods with Allah". Very naturally if the Bible is correct when it tells that Abraham believed in Yahweh and was not involved with Allah at all.

029 7/33g: "- - - assigning partners to Allah - - -". Wrong. Non-Muslims do not assign partners to Allah. They simply do not believe he exists, and instead believe in other gods - or another god (like Yahweh). Assigning partners to Allah, was only done in the old Arabia, and really not to Allah, but to Allah before he was dressed up by Muhammad and still was the pagan god al-Lah - an Arabism (see 4/13d above).

030 7/37d: "- - - the things (gods*) that ye (non-Muslims*) used to invoke besides Allah - - -". See 2/165c above and 25/18a below.

031 7/53f: "- - - the things they (non-Muslims*) have invented - - -". Other gods than Allah - - - included Yahweh (even though Muhammad accepted that Yahweh existed - but he mixed him up with Allah), even though there is a better chance for that Yahweh exists, than for Allah's existence - some pieces in the Bible are intriguing.

032 7/53g: "- - - the things they (non-Muslims*) have invented will leave them in the lurch". Will this also be the case for Muslims, if the Quran is a made up book and Allah an invented god? - remember that no god made a book of a quality like the Quran.

033 7/190c: "- - - the partners (other gods*) they describe to Him (Allah*)". An Arabism - only in Arabia they had partners to al-Lah - the pagan god Muhammad took over and renamed Allah. All other places they did not have gods in addition to Allah, but instead of Allah. And even in the old Arabia they did not have partners to Muhammad's claimed version of al-Lah/Allah, but to the old pagan god al-Lah/Allah.

034 7/191a: "Do they (non-Muslims*) indeed ascribe to Him (Allah*) - - - partners - - -". An Arabism. Except for in Arabia where the pagan god al-Lah/Allah (renamed to only Allah by Muhammad) had many colleges, no non-Muslims ascribed or ascribe partners to Allah, because they simply do not believe in him. They believe in one or more entirely different god (Jews and Christians) or gods (polytheists).See 2/165c above and 25/18a below.

035 7/191b: "Do they ascribe to Him (Allah*) things that can create nothing - - -". The irony here is that also Allah has created exactly nothing which is proved - there only are lose words and as lose claims for it.

036 7/192a: "No aid (other gods*) can they give them (non-Muslims*) - - -". There is not much reliable religious guidance in a book full of mistaken facts and other mistakes, errors, invalid logic, etc. and with parts of its moral code very immoral - and the book on top of all not from a god (proved 100% by all the mistakes, etc. - no omniscient god makes mistakes). And irony: There is not one single case in 1400 years where it is documented that Allah has given even one single person any kind of aid - lots of claims and words, but not one single documented case. And then there is the problem with Yahweh - who according to relevant books have aided many.

037 7/192b: "- - - nor can they (other gods*) aid themselves!" This is correct if they do not exist, wrong if they do exist. It is highly likely most of them do not exist - but there are some strange stories about f.x. Yahweh if the old books tell the truth. Allah is in a weak position - for one thing his claimed "holy" book has so many mistakes, etc. that it is from no god, and for another thing he was and is unable even to prove he existed, not to mention prove that Muhammad had any connection to him or that what Muhammad told was even partly true. Muhammad and his Quran proves that something is very wrong concerning Allah and hence with Muhammad and with Islam.

038 7/195a: "Have they (other gods or idols*) feet to walk with? (Etc.*) - - -". Has Allah? - Muhammad never was able to prove even his existence. Allah may well be a mental and made up idol only.

Besides: Does an omnipotent god need feet?

039 7/197b: "But those ye (non-Muslims*) call upon besides Him (Allah*), are unable to help you - - -". Strongly contradicted by the Bible as far as Yahweh goes. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

040 9/31e : "- - - yet they (the Christians*) were commanded to worship but One God - - -". Muhammad never understood the Christian religion and thinking. According to Christians there is only one god. Then there is a figure - a helper or something (the son, Jesus) - who in reality gets his light and his power from God/Yahweh. And finally there is something more diffuse and seldom seen; The messenger boy or something named the Holy Spirit (sometimes wrongly claimed to be the arch angel Gabriel by Muslims who have never read the Bible, or who have read it with a closed mind). To use a picture: There is one sun. Then there is a moon which gets its light from the sun. And there is the seldom seen satellite somewhere around. But only one sun. And that is the complete "pantheon". To mix Mary into the Trinity (like Muhammad does at least one place in the Quran) just is one more proof for that no god made the Quran, and for that Muhammad did not understand the trinity. Mary and the other saints (only for the Catholics, and not for all of them) are not divine. In Islam some good Muslims end in the higher heavens closer to Allah. In the same way Catholics believe that some really good Christians end up closer to God in Heaven - though figuratively. And just like Muhammad claimed he can interfere for whom he like on the Last Day, Catholics believe that as these normal, but good, humans called saint can interfere with God on our behalf, as they are closer to him. But as this is not a part of the Bible, the Protestants - and the Sunni Muslims - may be right: May be there are no saints.

041 10/18b: "They (non-Muslims*) serve, besides Allah, things that hurt them (people*) not nor profit them - - -". See 2/255a and 2/272b above.

A small fact: There is not one proved case of Allah neither hurting nor profiting even one person during the entire history and prehistory.

042 10/18c: "- - - hurt them (people*) not nor profit them - - -". But this also goes for Allah: in the entire history and 1400 years exactly as this is written (in 2010 AD) there never was one single proved incident clearly done by Allah - for good or bad. Not one. Jesus had proofs, both according to the Quran and to the Bible. Muhammad only had words which cost zero - and is worth the same, especially coming from a man believing in al-Taqiyya (lawful lies), Kitman (lawful half-truths), broken oaths - and on top had all his future sins forgiven (the last according to Hadiths). (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

043 10/18f: "- - - the partners they (non-Muslims*) ascribe (to Him (Allah*))". See 2/255a and 2/272b above. Also remember that partners can be ascribed to a made up god - f.x. to Allah.

044 10/28c: "- - - their 'partners' (false gods of non-Muslims*) shall say - - -". According to the Quran the false gods - included idols made from wood, stone, etc. - will get life on the Day of Doom and answer questions from Allah. No comments. But one remark: There is not the slightest proof anywhere for the existence of Allah.

This quote - like so much - is not from the Bible. Actually there is nothing similar in the Bible - one more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

045 10/29a: The made up gods claim (see 10/28c just above) they are not guilty in the unbelief in Allah they have been involuntary parts of. Nothing similar in the Bible - one more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

046 10/30e: "- - - their (non-Muslims'*) invented falsehoods (false gods*) will leave them in the lurch". But as the Quran is not from a god - far too much is wrong - where does this fact leave the Muslims?

047 10/34b: "Say (Muhammad*): 'Of your (non-Muslims'*) "partners" (gods*), can any originate creation and repeat it?' Say:’ It is Allah Who originates creation and repeats it - - -." This is a kind of debate you meet all too often from Islam and Muslims: You have to prove everything - for them lose and never proved claims are enough - claims and no need for proofs only are for themselves. Demand proofs from them when they just claim or states out of the air. They do not have valid proofs for any single central point in Islam. Also see 7/38e and 10/31b above.

048 10/34c: “Say: ‘It is Allah Who originates creation and repeats it - - -’”. That is very easy to say - why not for once try to prove it is Allah and not nature? It costs nothing to just say something. Any priest in any religion can say just the same about his god(s) - just as cheaply. Also see 10/31b above.

049 10/35f: "Is then He (Allah*) who (claims he*) gives guidance to (the claimed*) Truth more worthy to be followed, or he (other gods*) who finds not guidance (himself) unless he is guided?" The answer will depend entirely on whether Allah is a made up bluff or not. In addition there is the question of Yahweh, who has proved his existence if the old books tell the truth. There also may be other religions whose followers will vouch as strongly for their gods, as Muslims do for Allah - perhaps with as much reason. Exactly nothing is ever proved about Allah, and not once in 1400+ years has there been an action of any kind provably from him.

050 10/38e: "- - - and call (to your aid) anyone besides Allah - - -". Non-Muslims do not call to aid anyone "besides Allah", but instead of Allah. Muhammad liked to pretend they had gods in addition to Allah, but they simply did and do not believe in Allah at all. And even the Quran strongly indicates they were and are right - a book of a quality like the Quran is from no god, and definitely not from an omniscient one. To claim a god has made the Quran is slander, insults, and heresy towards the indicated god.

051 10/66d: "What do they (non-Muslims*) follow who worship as His (Allah's*) 'partners' other than Allah?" The trouble is that a similar question can be asked about Muslims, as all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran prove that the book is not from a god.

The answer in reality is plain and simple: They simply did not believe in Muhammad and his new religion or in Allah - some of them because they saw that things were very wrong in that new religion.

052 10/106b: "- - - such (other gods than Allah*) will neither profit thee (humans*) nor hurt thee - - -". But as the Quran is not from a god - too many mistakes, etc. - the question is: Does this also go for Allah - if he exists? If he is made up, he is just a pagan god.

053 10/106c: "- - - such (other gods than Allah*) will neither profit thee (humans*) nor hurt thee - - -". Well, there f.x. is the impertinent - or pertinent - question about Yahweh, whom even the Quran admits exists, even if it wrongly mixes him up with Allah.

054 10/106d: "(If you call on another god than Allah) "you (a human*) shalt certainly be of those who do wrong". This not proved statement only is correct if the Quran is from a god and in addition tells the full truth and only the truth. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

055 10/107b: "If Allah do touch thee (humans*) with hurt, there is none (who*) can remove it but He - - -". What about Yahweh? Also see 10/107a just above.

056 10/107d: "- - - He (Allah*) causeth it (a benefit*) to reach whomsoever of His servants He pleaseth". As the servants of the claimed god Allah go by the made up book the Quran, they clearly are on wrong tracks and in a doubtful religion. What then if f.x. Yahweh - a god even the Quran admits exists, even though it wrongly mixes him up with Allah - opposes the delivery of a benefit? Also see 10/107a above.

####057 11/13f: "- - - and call (to your (skeptics'*) aid) whomsoever you can, other than Allah - - -". Well, there always were Yahweh - he is likely to have made as well, if the old books are reliable. But that aside: Judged as literature the Quran at most is 3. class, a truth any knower of good literature who also knows the Quran can confirm. Helter-skelter placing of different topics. Repetitions, repetitions, repetitions of the same stories. Only two possible ends of stories: Either the involved ones become good Muslims, or they are bad people. All mentioned prophets or claimed prophets - even to a degree Jesus - are parallels to Muhammad's situation at the time of telling. Literally may be 3ooo+ mistakes - unbelievable in such an after all short book - of which may be unbelievable 2000 points are wrong facts (we know of no other book in the entire history of literature with the possible exception of science fiction with so many mistakes), a large number (hundreds) of contradictions both to itself - and many of them serious, some so much so that they are destroying for the central claims in the book - and to reality. A large number of cases of invalid or wrong logic and the same of unclear language. As for unclear language there is so much of it, that Islam has had to make a separate rule for how to understand them: If a text is possible to understand in 2 or more ways, both/all are deemed to be correct, even if the meaning varies wildly. It is called "different ways of reading" - a more polite expression for "different varieties". Etc., etc. And not to forget: It is a boring book - f.x. most Muslims have never read the whole book (a fact which makes mullahs' and others manipulating with cherry-picked sentences and untrue claims - f.x. about miracles performed by Muhammad - easy for them).

To be more exact:

Originally parts of what Muhammad said and did were memorized by "memorizers", who then were able to quote what he had said and done at different times. Naturally far from everything he said and did during 23 years were memorized.

Years later one started writing down what the memorizers and others remembered. This was written on palm leafs, pieces of bones, and this and that. These notes + what memorizers and others remembered, resulted in a number of different Qurans, of which 4 came to dominate. But the contents were so different on many points also in those 4, that it ended in even armed strife.

To end those problems Caliph Uthman had an official Quran made, mainly based on the written notes. But Muslim sources claim he omitted more than 100 verses. It also is indicated that he may have added verses, but this tradition is weaker. Afterwards he ordered all other Qurans to be destroyed. This happened sometime between 650 and 656 AD = 20 - 45 years after Muhammad had said or done the different things. (Caliph Utman was killed in 656 AD - 10 of the 11 first caliphs were killed - really a "religion of peace".)

In spite of Uthman's orders the old Qurans were not destroyed. They lived on at least into the 800s, and may well have influenced later copies of also Uthman's version. The main problem with his version, though, was that it was written in Arab. At that time the Arab alphabet was very incomplete, as it only had the consonants. The readers had to guess the vowels and also the writing signs (f.x. full stop, the comma, etc.), and not least the points Arab later used to tell which letter some of the letters really were - the so-called diacritical points. (The Arab alphabet was not complete until around 900 AD.)

This made chaos, because in very many places different words could be guessed. An example in English: If you have the consonants "h" and "s" and know they represent a word, this word may be "his" or "has" or "house" or "hose", etc. Islam "solved" the problem by saying that all words which gave logical meaning, were right - this without ever being able to guess what Muhammad/Allah really had said, and no matter if the possible meanings varied wildly. And the situation is exactly the same today: There are very many points in Uthman's Quran where Islam still does not know what really is meant. To avoid the words "versions of the texts", Islam calls it "different ways of reading", but the different ways of reading simply are another name for different possible versions of the texts.

The result was MANY versions of the Quran over the years, depending on how the copyist understood the original "words". Dozens and many more. Like said: A total chaos.

Finally a group of top Muslim scholars led by the great Muslim teacher Ibn Mohair (dead 935 AD) decided that it was impossible to find out which variety of the many existing versions was the correct one. They decided that 7 variants each had to be accepted as a correct Quran. But as each existed in 2 versions, the group canonized all together 14 different versions as "a correct Quran".

These are the canonized 14 versions (they called it “ways of reading” – as said to hide that there were many variants). 1. name is the editor, 2. and 3. names are the narrators):

  1. 1 + 2: Nafi from Medina after Warsh or Qalun.
  2. 3 + 4: Ibn Kathir from Mecca after al-Bazzi or Qunbul.
  3. 5 + 6: Ibn Amir from Damascus after Hisham or Ibn Dhakwan.
  4. 7 + 8: Abu Amr from Basra after al-Duri or al-Susi.
  5. 9 +10: Asim from Kufa after Hafs or Abu Bakr (not the caliph).
  6. 11 +12: Hamza from Kufa after Khalaf or Khallad.
  7. 13 +14: Al-Kisai from Kufa after al-Duri or Abul Harith.

In addition there were 3 others which were good - each in 2 versions = 6 versions - and 4 which were accepted.

The good ones:

  1. 1 + 2: abu Ga'far from Medina after abu l-Harit 'Isa ibn Wardan or abu r-Rabi (Sulaiman ibn Muslim) ibn Gammaz (az-Zuhri).
  2. 3 + 4: Ja'qub ad-Hadrami from Basra after Ruwais (Muhammad ibn Muttawakkil or Rauh ibn Abdalmu'min.
  3. 5 + 6: Halaf from Kufa after Ishaq al-Warraq or Idris al Haddad.

The accepted ones:

  1. 1: ibn Muhaisin from Mecca.
  2. 2: al-Jazidi from Basra.
  3. 3: al-Hasan al-Basri from Basra.
  4. 4: al-A'mas from Kufa.

This means that all together there were 24 accepted versions - all different or much different, but all reckoned to be a correct Quran. Add the original 4 main ones + Uthman's version = 29 versions all together. (+ all the others excluded by Uthman or Ibn Mohair. We have seen no number for how many such which existed. Likely nobody ever knew for sure, but likely at least 100 and may be (many?) more.)

As you understand there is a good reason for asking Muslims which Quran is the one "perfect and without mistakes", if any - and which one Allah really sent down (if he did). Only one of these really can be 100% correct - and may be none. Most likely none - too many varieties are possible. And too many mistakes etc. in the book.

Over the years 3 of these 14 came to dominate: Asim after Hafs Nafi after Warsh, and Abu Amr after al-Duri. And today there mostly are two versions which are used: Asim after Hafs - the one used when printed in Egypt in 1924 - and Nafi after Warsh (used in parts of Africa). Asim after Hafs is dominant today, but Nafi after Warsh as mentioned is used in large parts of Africa. Also there are 4 others used in smaller areas in Africa = all together 6 versions are in daily use today.

####These are facts all educated Muslim religious scholars know. All the same, and also in spite of that it is very clear that even today it is impossible to know for sure what Muhammad really said in MANY points of the Quran, they teach their subjects that "the Quran is the exact words of Muhammad, who quoted the exact words of Allah. Exact down to the last comma."

A large percentage of the Muslims honestly believe them.

Irony: The comma did not even exist in Arab when Uthman made his version of the Quran. And: The facts that there are MANY versions of the Quran + there were many more + that nobody even today knows which version is the correct one - if any (as nobody knows what Muhammad really said on very many points in the Quran) - are so essential, that we repeat these facts and the names a few times in our book(s).

It is an educated guess that at least 50% of all writers good enough to have books printed, would have been able to write a book of better literature quality than the Quran, if they got enough information about old folklore, legends, religion, apocryphal scriptures, fairy tales, etc. The same goes for at least 80% of persons studying relevant history, etc., included the above mentioned subjects, if they are good enough at writing to have had any books printed. (We here omit the question of the language itself, as the language of today's Quran is not identical to the one of the "original" Quran - the language of the Quran was polished by top scholars through some 250 years until it got its final form around 900 AD - and around that time in 14 different (and more) accepted varieties - called "different ways of reading", 2 of which are used today (Warsh and Hafs) + 4 a little used. Two facts no lay Muslim will admit, because he does not know it. But his religious leaders and scholars know it - but may resort to al-Taqiyya or Kitman or deceit or worse (all of which are permitted and even advised in Islam to use "if necessary" to defend and to promote the religion) when asked.)

058 11/14b: "- - - (your false gods) answer not your (call) - - -". What the Quran and Islam and Muslims NEVER mention, is that also Allah NEVER once through history unmistakably has answered anyone. The only words there ever were (?) are the words from Muhammad. And anyone who has read the Quran, the Hadiths, and Islamic history with an open mind, knows what kind of man he in reality was - it is not hidden in those books (though glossed over with glorious words - if you skip them, you see the reality about Muhammad). Islam only has made Muhammad's moral - or lack of moral - their moral code, and therefore are unable to see how horrible parts of it are. Most Muslims even honestly believe it when they claim Islam is a very moral and ethical religion, this goes even for - to phrase it a bit strongly - the only part of Islam's moral which is strong, is sexual moral for free women. Oh, well, there are ok rules for taking care of boy orphans, and semi-good ones for helping the poor and for taking care of girl orphans + do not cheat or kill Muslims without a good reason. But just look at some of the other moral rules! - and compare them to "do to others like you want others do to you" and weep.

059 11/20c: "- - - protectors (gods*) besides Allah - - -". Except for in Arabia where the pagans had gods beside al-Lah (not Muhammad's Allah, but the original pagan god al-Lah/Allah whom Muhammad took over and dressed up*), no other places had gods besides Allah/al-Lah. They simply did not believe in this god and had their own - and if the Quran's claim that its god was for the entire world, the god had known that this expression was wrong. But by repeating and repeating it, Muhammad gave a picture of a god known all over - or at least had been known all over, but with competition from local (false) gods. Good psychology as long as the listeners accepts anything in blind belief.

060 11/21b: "- - - the fancies (invented gods*) they (non-Muslims*) invented have left them in the lurch!" But if also Allah is invented, will the Muslims also be left in the lurch? After all there never was a proof for Allah - only demands for and glorious words about blind faith, just like in ever so many religions - and blind faith has cheated many a person. After all it is clear that no god made the Quran - too much is wrong in it. What then if f.x. there is a next life ruled by a benevolent god, not a war god like the claimed Allah - where will Muslims in case end?

061 11/50e: "Ye (the 'Ad tribe from before Moses*) have no other god but Him (Allah*)". For one thing neither science nor Islam has found any trace of Allah/Islam before 610 AD, and 'Ad is at least 2ooo years older according to the Quran - not that old in reality. For another see 6/106b above.

062 11/50f: "(Your (non-Muslims'*) other gods) ye do nothing but invent!" This may or may not be true. But the interesting additional question here is: As the Quran is not from a god, is also Allah invented?

063 11/62c: "Dost thou (now) forbid us the worship of what our fathers worshipped?" Sentences like this might make one start thinking, when one know that Muslims believe because their fathers and their mullahs/imams and teachers and surroundings tells this is the true belief, because their fathers etc. have told them it was true, and because there is a strong social pressure never to question such claims. Muslims hardly ever go into the material with the question "where is the truth?" (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

064 12/38b: "- - - partners - - - to Allah - - -". For one thing the Bible here talks about Yahweh, not Allah. But also see 25/18a below.

065 12/40b: "- - - (other gods*) for which Allah hath sent down no authority - - -". Allah does not have the power for sending down authority to anyone at all, if he does not exist - hardly so even if he exists, but belongs to the dark forces (all the mistakes in the Quran proves that he is no god, if he was involved in that book).

066 13/11e: "- - - nor will they (non-Muslims*) find beside Him (Allah*) any to protect". Well, there is the ever recurring fact that the Bible says Yahweh is a good protector. And if the old books tell the truth, Yahweh has proved his existence and power, Allah not.

067 13/14d: "- - - any others (other gods than Allah*) they non-Muslims*) call upon besides Him hear them (not*) - - -". May be they are in the same boat as Muslims? - also Allah to this date - during 1400 years - has never one single time been giving an answer unmistakably from him. Lots of claims, but never a proved case (guess if the world had known it if it had happened even once!)

068 13/14e: "- - - any others (other gods than Allah*) they call upon besides Him hear them (not*) - - -". Well, we are back to the question about Yahweh - the Bible says he hears and helps. Besides: Allah has not in the entire history and prehistory provably heard anything at all. Not one single time.

069 13/16d: "Do ye (non-Muslims*) then take (for worship) protectors other than Him (Allah*), such as have no power for either good or for harm to themselves?" Well, for one thing so much of what is written in the Quran is wrong, that also this claim may be wrong. And for another it is difficult to forget the question of Yahweh - after all a proved god if the old books tell the truth, whereas nothing is proved about Allah.

And not least: Allah has not one single time throughout history and pre-history provably showed that he has power to do anything at all. There are literally millions of claims, but not one single proved case - and claims are cheap.

070 13/16e: "- - - such (false gods*) as have no power neither for good nor for harm to themselves". See 13/14c and 13/14d above. The troubling question is: Is Allah among these? - he only - only - comes from a book with lots of mistakes, told by a man with very doubtful moral, but with strong lust for power, money for bribes and for women. (Drop the big, glorifying words and read the rest of the Quran, and you find the real Muhammad behind the glittering propaganda - demands, introduced moral code, and deeds are far more reliable that saintly verbal portraits "painted" by a dictator himself.

071 13/33c: "Is then He (Allah*) - - - (like all the others) - - -". Difficult to say, because of no reliable information. But if he does not exist, he is like all other non-existing, made up gods. He is no real god if he is behind the Quran - too much is wrong there. If he exists and belongs to the dark forces, he may be like others from those forces.

072 13/33d: "And yet they (non-Muslims*) ascribe partner to Allah". See 25/18a below.

073 13/33e: "But name them (other gods than Allah)!". We may try the name Yahweh.

074 13/36g: "- - - join partners (other gods*) with Him (Allah*)". See 25/18a below.

075 15/96a: "Those (non-Muslims*) who adopt, with Allah, another god - - -". Similar to 15/94a+b just above.

076 16/1f: "- - - far is He (Allah*) above having the partners (likely the other gods of the pagan Arabs, but non-Arab gods and Jesus may be included*) they (the pagan Arabs and perhaps the Christians*) ascribe unto Him (Allah*)!" It is clear that the Quran is not made by a god - too much is wrong. The alternatives thus are dark forces or mere humans - and how are they to know how a god thinks? An omniscient and omnipotent god surely could manage alone, but there might be practical or intellectual or personal reasons for a wish for one or more "partners". There f.x. exists a little known poem telling that it is boring even to be a god, if one is alone.

077 16/1g: "- - - far is He (Allah*) above having the partners (likely the other gods of the pagan Arabs, but non-Arab gods and Jesus may be included*) they (the pagan Arabs and perhaps the Christians*) ascribe unto Him (Allah*)!" Is Allah far above anything at all, if the Quran is a made up book - and Allah perhaps a made up god?

According to the Bible he at least is not above Yahweh.

078 16/1h: "- - - far is He (Allah*) above having the partners (likely the other gods of the pagan Arabs, but non-Arab gods and Jesus may be included*) they (the pagan Arabs and perhaps the Christians*) ascribe unto Him (Allah*)!" By using this formula - and he uses it often - Muhammad indicates that Allah is the god everyone everywhere knows about or at least was known from the old, but that many have added other gods in addition to him. This picture is false - except for in Arabia where many had al-Lah (also named Allah sometimes) as one of their gods - the same pagan god Muhammad dressed up and called only Allah - the rest of the world had other gods not in addition to, but instead of Allah, and most did not even know about al-Lah/Allah. They had their own gods, and they were self-sufficient and not added to Allah. But psychologically a good sentence for Muhammad and his preaching. Also see 25/18a below.

079 16/3c: "- - - far is He (Allah*) above having the partners (likely the other gods of the pagan Arabs and others, but Jesus may be included*) they (the pagan Arabs and perhaps the Christians*) ascribe unto Him (Allah*)!" See 6/106b and 16/1e+f above and 25/18a below.

080 16/20b: "Those (other gods*) whom they (non-Muslims*) invoke besides Allah create nothing and are themselves created". This may be correct - perhaps with exceptions for f.x. Yahweh (not the same god as Allah - too deep an fundamental differences in the teachings - - - and science and Islam both have proved there are no falsifications in the Bible, in spite of the Quran's claims, by finding that there are no falsifications in the known tens of thousands of relevant old papers). But a relevant, serious and never solved question: Is also Allah created? The quality of the Quran indicates, and all the mistakes there prove that something is very wrong. Also the fact that Muhammad some places speaks in the Quran proves this. Also see 21/30a and 25/18a below.

081 16/20c: "Those (other gods*) whom they (non-Muslims*) invoke besides Allah create nothing and are themselves created". The recurring question: Did Allah create or is he created? The facts that not one ounce of the central claims is proved and also the quality of the Quran are ominous signs.

082 16/21a: "They (the images of false gods*) are things) dead, lifeless - - -". If Allah is a made up god, he will not even be a dead and lifeless idol - he will only be a phantom picture made in a scheming and perhaps sick (TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) brain. Or perhaps a phantom picture made up by the dark forces.

083 16/21b: "They (the images of false gods*) are things) dead, lifeless - - -". But there is the recurring question about Yahweh - he is alive even according to the Quran, even though the book wrongly mixes him with Allah.

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#####084 16/52e: "- - - then will ye (people*) fear other than Allah?". Simply yes. For the simple reason we do not believe Allah exists. The only claims - and no facts, only claims and fast words - about his existence are from a man with a very doubtful moral and reliability, who on top of all perhaps was mentally ill (TFL - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy), and who liked power and riches for more power - and women - and who liked/needed a platform of power, something many a scheming man have found in religion. There are thousands who through the times have used an existing religion as a ladder to riches and power - and for that case to women - and hundreds who have started new sects or religions - Muhammad did something in between, which also is not uncommon. The only special thing about Muhammad, is that he was the most successful of these many men and a few women. Well, Jesus was even more successful, but was he only a man?

On top of this all the errors, etc. in the Quran proves 110% to any person with a not damaged brain - f.x. from brainwashing - and an IQ not below medium imbecility, that the Quran is not from any god, and thus that something is seriously wrong with Muhammad, with the Quran, and with Islam.

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085 16/56d: "- - - your (non-Muslims*) false inventions (other gods than Allah*)". But are all of the claimed false gods inventions? There f.x. is the problem of the old Jewish and Christian god Yahweh, who according to the Bible far from is a made up god - in stark contrast to Allah, still according to the Bible. NB: Also the Quran tells that the old Jewish and Christian god exists, though they mix up his name with their own god Allah.

086 16/62a: “- - - they (contemporaries of Muhammad*) attribute to Allah what they hate (daughters* - here meaning the old Arab goddesses al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat who were said to be the daughters of Allah.)”. In Arabia girl babies were disliked, and here it is said people generally hated to get girl babies. Wrong – if Islam pretends to be a universal religion. Some places on Earth – like in Arabia – girl babies may have been hated. But most places they only were of lower value, and far from hated. Then some places they were valued more or less equally. There also were places where daughters were valuable – f.x. because they meant money/valuables to their parents when they married. There even were a few places were the societies were matriarchate’s, and the girls the main sex. (This is one of the many points in the Quran where wrong knowledge points to some human(s) in Arabia as the maker(s) of the Quran – there are too many points like this.)

#087 16/72e: "- - - will they (people?/your women?/your descendants?*) then believe in vain things (other gods*) - - -". The old question: What if at least some of them believe in an existing god? - f.x. in Yahweh if he is not a dreamt up one. And what about Muslims, who believe in a religion based on a book not from any god? (No god delivers a book of that quality.)

088 16/73a: "- - - such (other gods*) as have no power - - -". This may be true for many "gods". But for all? The Quran proves very eloquently that Allah is not the same god as Yahweh, and f.x. Yahweh may have power. As for made up ones - it has never and nowhere been proved that Allah does not belong to them.

089 16/73c: "- - - (other gods than Allah*) cannot possibly have such power- - -". According to the old books, included the Quran, it is quite possible the old Jewish and Christian god Yahweh has such power and more - if the books tells the truth.

090 16/74a: "- - - similitudes for Allah - - -". If Allah is a made up god: Similitudes to nothing are nothing. But also see 25/18a below.

091 16/87b: "- - - all their (non-Muslims'*) inventions (false gods*) shall leave them in the lurch". But where will the Muslims be left with a book and thus a religion not from any god? - (too much is wrong in the book to be from a god).

092 16/116b: "For those who ascribe false things to Allah will never prosper". See 16/116a above. Plus: If Allah did not exist, was it then dangerous for Muhammad to ascribe things to him - f.x. the Quran?

093 17/39c: "Take not, with Allah, another object of worship - - -". See 28/15a below.

094 17/56b: "- - - they (other gods*) have neither the power to remove your troubles from you nor to change them". This may be correct, but a deep question never even mentioned neither in the Quran, nor in Hadiths, nor anywhere else in Islam as far as we have seen, is: If Allah predestines everything, and often years before like the Quran states, and if nothing can change his decisions and Plan: Why then pray to Allah for help in troubles at all? - nothing can change his decisions anyhow, so prayers for such changes are just so much wasted time. This fact is never mentioned by mullahs, etc., so we have never seen how they explain it away.

095 17/57a: "Those (false gods, saints or similar*) whom they (non-Muslims) do desire (for themselves) means of access to their Lord (Allah*) - - -". As for saints this may or may not be true. But for made up gods it is wrong - made up gods in reality does not exist, and thus has no wishes at all (the Quran claims that pictures of them in wood, metal or something are given life at the Day of Doom - it is free for anybody to believe it). This also goes for Allah if he is a made up god.

096 17/67b: "- - - those that ye (non-Muslims*) call upon - besides Him (Allah*) - leave you in the lurch - - -". But in 1400 years there is not reported one single reliable case where Allah has done anything - not one thing at all, positive or negative. Is he any better?

097 17/73d: "- - - substitute in Our (Allah's*) name something quite different (another god*) - - -". A bad idea if Allah exists and the Quran has no mistakes, so that you practice the religion correctly. An idea of no consequence if both Allah and the other god do not exist, or if Islam is so twisted that a good and benevolent god will not accept Muslims (it is most difficult to believe that a good and benevolent and just god will accept to be the god of a war religion which on top of is based on mistreatment of victims and on lies (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah), broken promises/oats, a partly immoral moral code, etc., etc.) But a good idea if Allah and the Quran are made up, but the other god is real. Not to mention if Allah is from the dark forces - behind the creation the Quran or not.

098 18/14c: "- - - if we ("the 7 sleepers"*) did (call upon another god than Allah*), we should indeed have done an enormity!" Now, they "in reality" were believers in Yahweh - the story originally most likely is Christian, but perhaps Jewish - so may be it had not been a big enormity to call on Yahweh? (But the story in reality is a made up fairy tale, this even though the Quran - wrongly, like so often - claims it is a true story.)

099 18/17e: "- - - he whom Allah leaves to stray - for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way". If the Quran is 100 correct, this may be right - - - if Allah exists. It is wrong if another god exists. It is irrelevant if no god exists.

100 18/26g: "They have no protector other than Him (Allah*) - - -". The Bible contradicts, at least for believers in Yahweh.

101 18/27g: "- - - and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him (Allah*)". This will depend entirely on how truthful the Quran is. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.) If it is telling the full truth and only the truth, and if Allah really exists, this may be correct. If not, there either is no god anywhere - everything is made up. Or there is/are one or more gods somewhere - and we f.x. here are back to the fact that Muhammad accepted the existence of Yahweh - though he tried to make one god out his own Allah and the Jewish and Christian Yahweh. The situation grows extra interesting if Allah does not exist - which seems very likely, as there never was any proof for him, as he suddenly appeared 1400 years ago (well, he existed as a Pagan god some time before that) - a god ought to have a longer life - and as there also never was any kind of manifestation of him or any other kinds of proofs, only words and claims and on top of all all those lose claims and words without exception came from a man believing in the use of lies (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah) and broken promises included broken oaths, deceptions ("war is deceit"), etc., and a man who used his religion (like many false prophets) to gain power and women. Not to mention that all the mistakes, etc. in the book tell a lot.

102 18/27h: "- - - and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him (Allah*)". Clearly and strongly contradicted by the Bible - at least as far as believers in Yahweh go. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

##103 18/51c: "- - - nor is it for Me (Allah*) to take as helpers such as lead (men) astray!" All the same many Muslim scholars think Iblis/the Devil is working for Allah, because Iblis could not - and cannot - run his Hell without the permission of Allah, and without being part of the omnipotent Allah's predestined Plan. This in case tells a lot about how good and benevolent Allah is.

104 18/52c: "- - - they (false gods*) will not listen to them (people*) - - -", The question is if Allah belongs to those "gods" - he has not unmistakably given one single answer since he was introduced to mankind 1400 years ago, and neither before (if he had, be sure Islam had told you and everybody else about it!)

105 18/102a: "Do the unbelievers think that they can take My (Allah's*) servants as protectors beside Me?" This is an attack on the Catholic belief in saints, and it may well be it is correct - the idea of saints is not found in the Bible.

106 18/105e: "- - - nor shall We (Allah*) on the Day of Judgment, give them (the work/deeds of non-Muslims*) any weight". But perhaps f.x. Yahweh will - at least some of the non-Muslims (though may be few of the Muslims - many are too far from "do unto others like you want others do unto you").

107 18/110g: "- - - in the worship of (Allah*), admit no one as (Allah's*) Partner". Believers in other religions do not add gods to Allah - a claim Muhammad liked, in order to make his own god more central (though in Arabia the old ones had gods in addition to al-Lah/Allah - the old Pagan god Muhammad transformed and named only Allah - so with a little twisting he could claim so there). They simply did not and do not believe Allah exists, and believe in another or other god(s) - f.x. Yahweh.

#108 18/110h: "- - - in the worship of (Allah*), admit no one as (Allah's*) Partner". But before you dismiss other god(s), check if Allah exists, if he in case had anything to do with the Quran - nothing of which is in any way proved - and if the Quran is true (at least it is from no god with all those mistakes). Also see 25/18a below.

####(If you look into all facts concerning the Quran and Muhammad's teaching + relevant facts from reality, only one conclusion is possible to make about Allah: As the Quran and all its mistakes are not from any god, it is extremely unlikely he exists - and if he after all do exist, it is extremely unlikely he is correctly described among all the mistakes in the Quran. Muhammad's wish for power + possible TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) or something similar may be the real explanation for the Quran and Islam - the top irony in human history in case.

109 19/81a: "And they (non-Muslims*) have taken gods other than Allah - - -". If they saw some of all the mistakes, contradictions etc, in the Quran, they had a reason for this. If Allah in addition does not exist - for which there is a number of reasons to believe - they had a good reason. And if they on top of all themselves believed in a real god (if such one exists), they really made a lucky choice.

110 19/82: "Instead they (the false gods*) shall reject their (non-Muslims*) worship, and become adversaries against them". At the Day of Doom the false gods gets life and accuses their "followers" according to Muhammad. But what about Allah if he just is a made up mental idol?

111 20/89: "Could they (the Jews*) not see that it (the golden calf*) could not return them a word (for answer), and that it had no Power either to harm them or to do them good?". This also goes for Allah: He has to this date never given an unmistakable answer, never unmistakably harmed anybody, nor unmistakably done the least good to anybody (guess if Islam had told about it if there had been just one single proved incident!)

112 21/22a: “If there were, in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both!” The logic is wrong. There exist both hierarchic and parallel (one boss for each department or aspect) systems for management. One can say there could be confusion, but not that there would be. The "proof" is invalid.

113 21/22g: "- - - (high is He (Allah*)) above what they (non-Muslims*) attribute to Him (= other gods*)." Another claim any believer can tell on behalf of any god, as long as he can evade all questions for proof - words and claims are that cheap. For f.x. Yahweh there are lots of proofs if the old books tell the truth, for Allah exactly nothing. (This is one main reason why Muhammad glorified and Islam glorifies blind belief so much.)

114 21/22h: "- - - (high is He (Allah*)) above what they (non-Muslims*) attribute to Him (= other gods*)." This may also be a dismissal of Jesus as son of Yahweh, as Muhammad claims that the god is "high above" having sons. Muhammad did not like the thought of Jesus as the son of the god, partly because he did not understand the Christian thoughts about this, and found it polytheism, and partly because if Jesus was the son of the god, Muhammad impossibly could be the greatest.

115 21/23b: "- - - but they (other gods*) will be questioned (for theirs) (their actions*)". Irrelevant and without logic as far as made up gods concern: If they did not exist, they made no acts they can be questioned about. (The Quran indicates they will be created on the Day of Doom and asked about their believers' actions - believe it if you want (but why should an omniscient god need to do that - and how could images made from wood or something have noticed and remember what was said, and thus be able to remember it at the day of doom?) - but that is something else. It also is irrelevant and without logic if Allah does not exist - if he does not exist, he cannot question anyone, like indicated here. Then remains the alternative: Allah exists and so do other gods - f.x. Yahweh. Yahweh here is extra interesting because the Quran admits this old originally Jewish god exists, though they try to kidnap him in spite of a very different teaching, to give Allah a past - a claimed eternal god who suddenly appeared 1400 years or something ago sounds little believable, so give him a past.

116 21/24a: "Or have they (non-Muslims*) taken for worship (other) gods besides Him (Allah*)". Rather similar to 21/23a plus 21/23b above. Also see 25/18a below.

117 21/26a: “And they say ‘(Allah) Most Glorious has begotten offspring’. Glory to Him! They are (but) servants raised to honor“. We do not know what is the truth about al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat - daughters of al-Lah/Allah in the old Arab religion. But Jesus at least told many times that Yahweh was his father.

118 21/29c: "- - - such a one (other gods*) We should reward with Hell - - -". Only possible if Allah exists, and if the other one in addition is not a real god - but then what about f.x. Yahweh? (if the old books, included the Quran, tell the truth he exists).

Besides it is not possible for Allah neither to reward nor to punish anyone because this means changes to his Predestined Plan. But this Plan nothing and nobody can change, according to the Quran.

119 21/43a: "Or have they (non-Muslims*) gods that can guard them from Us (Allah*)?" See 21/42a above.

120 21/43b: "They (other gods*) have no power to aid themselves - - -". We are back to the irritating Question about Yahweh - a powerful god the Quran tells exists, even if the book wrongly mixes him up with Allah.

121 21/43c: "They (other gods*) have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from US (Allah*)". Quite likely the Quran may be true about other gods not aiding themselves - though there may be names like f.x. Yahweh. But as for threats from Allah, that will depend on f.x. if Allah exists - nothing is documented. It is not f.x. proved that Allah even if he should happen to exist, has power to aid himself, not to mention others.

122 21/66b: "Do you then worship, besides Allah - - -". Except for in Arabia where the pagans had gods beside al-Lah (not Muhammad's Allah, but the original pagan god al-Lah/Allah whom Muhammad took over and dressed up*), no other places people had gods besides Allah/al-Lah. They simply did not believe in this god and had their own - and if the Quran's claim that its god was for the entire world, the god had known that this expression was wrong. But by repeating and repeating it, Muhammad gave a picture of a god known all over - or at least had been known all over, but with competition from local (false) gods. Good psychology as long as the listeners accepts anything in blind belief. Also see 25/18a below.

##123 21/66c: "Do you then worship, besides Allah, things that can be neither of any good to you nor do you harm?" To continue this way of thinking: "Do you then worship a claimed god who not one single time in the entire history has done even one single man, woman or child neither any good nor any harm? A god whose existence only is to be found in claims from a man believing in lying (al-Taqiyya, Kitman), deceit ("War is deceit" and "everything" is Jihad), and broken words/promises/oaths! And a man wanting power - like many a false prophet, but few real prophets.

And to repeat it: Except for in Arabia where the pagans had gods beside al-Lah (not Muhammad's Allah, but the original pagan god al-Lah/Allah whom Muhammad took over and dressed up*), no other places people had gods besides Allah/al-Lah. They simply did not believe in this god and had their own - and if the Quran's claim that its god was for the entire world, the god had known that this expression was wrong. But by repeating and repeating it, Muhammad gave a picture of a god known all over - or at least had been known all over, but with competition from local (false) gods. Good psychology as long as the listeners accepts anything in blind belief. Also see 25/18a below.

124 21/67b: "Have ye (non-Muslims*) no sense (believing in other gods than Allah*)". Muhammad often pretended that to believe in Allah is logical if you are intelligent - for who does not like to be reckoned among the intelligent ones, especially if you are not very intelligent. You meet varieties of this argument not a few places in the Quran. Also see 13/3j above.

125 21/67c: "Have ye (non-Muslims*) no sense (believing in other gods than Allah*)". May be good sense was just what they had - and then saw something was very wrong in the new religion.

126 21/98b: “Verily ye, (unbelievers), and the (false) gods that ye worship besides Allah - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See 6/106b and 21/97e above.

127 21/99: "If these (false gods*) had been gods, they would not have got there (in Hell*)".

  1. False gods = made up ideas of something which in reality do not exist. How can one punish something which do not exist?
  2. If they all the same can be said to exist in some way: Is it fair by Allah to condemn them to Hell when they absolutely are not guilty of the situation themselves and were unable to avoid it?
  3. As essential: They will not end there, unless the Quran is from a god and in addition tells the truth on this point - and there are so many points in the Quran which are not true. Or unless there exists a god somewhere as unfair as Allah sometimes is - - - and what then with all Muslims in case? - especially if Allah on top of all is a made up god.

128 22/12a: "They call on such deities - - - as can neither hurt nor profit them - - -". Does this make you think about that it is an indisputable fact that in 1400 years Allah has not one single time unmistakably neither hurt nor profited one single person - yes, not even a cat or a lowly pig?

129 22/31b: "- - - if anyone assigns partners to Allah, he is as if he has fallen from heaven - - -". Only if Allah exists, is a major god and is correctly described in the Quran - - - and only if no other god exists in which they believe (f.x. Yahweh).

130 22/62b: "- - - those besides Him (Allah*) whom they (non-Muslims*) invoke - they are but vain falsehood - - -". Two points: Allah has never proved himself - does he exist, or is he falsehood? And: Apart from all the other claimed gods, there is the fact that Yahweh has proved both his existence and his power - - - if either the Quran or the Bible speaks the truth. A god who is too different from Allah to be the same god, and the main figure in a book proved not falsified, by science and by Islam + he is a guest star in the Quran, though wrongly under another name. Also see 21/66c and 25/18a.

131 22/71a: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) worship, besides Allah - - -". This and similar expressions you find repeatedly in the Quran - but it mostly is wrong: They do - and did - not worship other gods besides Allah. They worshipped other gods instead of Allah simply - f.x. Yahweh. In a cheating way one can say Muhammad was right about many Arabs - they worshipped al-Lah/Allah - the same god Muhammad called only Allah - and others in addition. But they prayed to the old pagan god al-Lah/Allah, not to the new and different Allah. Muhammad tries to place Allah in the center so that the other gods(?) were in addition to Allah, but Allah in reality was no part of their religion at all - they simply had other gods. Also see 21/66c above and 25/18a below.

132 22/73b: "Those on whom, besides Allah, ye (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) call cannot create (even) a fly - - -". But neither has Allah ever proved that he can - there only exists lose claims resting on nothing for his claimed power - and only in a book full of mistakes, dictated by a man with a very dubious moral. See f.x. 6/2b, 11/7a and 21/56c+e above.

133 23/32a: "Ye (nobody knows who*) have no other god but Him (Allah*)". See 2/255a and 6/106b above.

134 23/84-85: "Say: 'To whom belong the earth and all beings therein? - - -.' They (non-Muslims*) will say, 'To Allah'". Wrong. We would say that nobody knows if the beings do belong to anybody. Religious non-Muslim persons would name their god(s) as owner(s) if they meant there was such an owner. But Muhammad is relying on a trick here - one which only could be used in Arabia (would a god for the entire world have used one valid only in that small part of the world?) as the main god of the old Arabs was named al-Lah/Allah. So when the old Arabs answered "al-Lah" it sounded similar to "Allah", and Muhammad had his "proof". It is a similar trick Islam uses today, when they in the west call Allah "God" - the name "God" camouflages some of the real differences between Allah and Yahweh, as the word "God" automatically makes Jews and Christians think about Yahweh and forget to think over: Are there differences? Which there are, to use small letters.

135 23/92b: "- - - too high is He (Allah*) for the partners they (non-Muslims*) attribute to Him!" This is a claim Muhammad often repeats in the Quran, but never proves - neither that Allah is too high (yes, not even that he exists), nor that he did not want company - if he exists. Also see 25/18a below.

136 23/117a: "- - - if anyone invokes, besides Allah, any other god - - -". A camouflaged way of telling that of course everyone invokes Allah - but some are bad and invokes other gods, too. The plain truth is that few, if any at all, who invoke another god also invoke Allah. In the old Arabia they may have invoked al-Lah/Allah, which was the same god Muhammad took over from the pagans, used only the name Allah, and gave him a new past + a new role. But when the pagans invoked al-Lah/Allah, they invoked the old pagan god, not Muhammad's new Allah. Anyhow this only was possible in Arabia, as it only was there the names were so like, that this "mishearing" was possible - another Arabism.

137 23/117b: "- - - he (another god*) has no authority - - -". According to the Quran with all its mistakes this is so. But what if also this is a mistake? And what about Allah? - he has never proved neither his authority nor his power, yes, not even his existence.

And what real authority has Allah, when all we know about him - if he exists - are claims in a book full of wrong facts and other errors?

138 25/3a: Made up gods are no good. But a reminder: Allah has never been proved to be any better. Muhammad never had anything but undocumented claims to give to people. And Muhammad was a very dubious character according to claimed facts in central Islamic literature - far from the semi-saint Muslims like to claim.

139 25/3b: "- - - (gods*) besides Him (Allah*) - - -". Mostly wrong - the correct mostly was and is "instead of him". By his choice of words, Muhammad indicates that also non-Muslims pray to Allah, but to other gods in addition. This is wrong. With few exceptions they prayed and pray only to their own god(s) - f.x. Yahweh. (In Arabia in the old time this included f.x. al-Lah).

140 25/3c: "- - - gods that can create nothing - - -". Just this one we think is an interesting one, as Allah never proved his ability neither to create or to recreate anything himself - there only are empty words and as empty claims.

141 25/3d: "- - - gods that can create nothing, but are themselves created; that have no control of hurt or good to themselves - - -". But the irony here is that the Quran here blames other gods for defects it is likely also Allah has - if he exists - as there is not one single known proved incident during all the time Homo Sapiens has existed on Earth (195ooo years?), where Allah has done anything of this. A very good proof for this is Islam's silence about such proved cases. Claims yes, proved cases no.

142 25/18a: "- - - others (other gods*) besides Thee (Allah*) - - -". Muhammad very often chooses his(?) words in such a way that it sounds like everyone had Allah for a god, but that many had other gods in addition. (This claim makes Allah very big and central - but it only is a never documented claim.) The correct was and is that with the exception of Arabia where they had the pagan god al-Lah/Allah which Muhammad renamed a little and used only the name Allah, they had/have one or more god(s) not in addition to Allah but instead of Allah - f.x. Yahweh.

As it - after twisting the truth some between pagan and monotheistic god - could be after a fashion correct and understood like that, this in reality is one more Arabism - and one you meet often in the Quran.

143 25/55a: "Yet do they (non-Muslims*) worship, besides Allah, things that can neither profit them nor harm them - - -". The trouble is that also Allah has not one single time clearly and unmistakably showed that he can do any better. Not one single time. There only are Muhammad's claims for the power of Allah - and neither Muhammad (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah, "War is deceit", broken words/promises/oats) nor the Quran is much reliable.

Another point is that non-Muslims do not worship another god/other gods besides Allah, but instead of Allah - non-Muslims simply do not believe Allah at all is a god.

144 26/72-73: "Do they (false gods*) listen to you (Terah in the Bible (1. Mos. 11/26-32), Azar in the Quran (6/74) - father of Abram/Abraham*) when ye call (on them), Or do you good or harm?" But if you ask the same question about Allah, he has not done one single of those things in a provable way during his entire claimed existence - not once - just listen to Islam's silence about this. Besides it is not said in the Bible that Abraham's people were polytheists.

##145 26/93b: "Besides Allah? Can they (other gods*) help you or help themselves?" A rhetoric question leading up to a perhaps correct answer. But another central point: Also Allah has never proved neither his existence nor his power - a main reason why Islam have to stress the ideal of blind belief, etc. so strongly. But blind belief in all other aspects of life is the easiest way to be cheated.

146 26/213b: "So call on no other deity with Allah, or thou wilt be among those under the Penalty." Sure - if the Quran is correct. Also see 3/77b above.

147 26/213c: "So call on no other deity with Allah, or thou wilt be among those under the Penalty." Contradicted by the Bible, which definitely says that it is better to call for Yahweh than for Allah. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

148 27/59e: "(Who) is better? - Allah or the false gods they (non-Muslims*) associate (with Him)?" False gods have no power and no value and nothing to offer for a perhaps next life - on the contrary, as they waylay and misdirect you in your search for a possible next life - even blocks the road for you if it denies you to search other than wrong roads. The disturbing fact here is that also Allah never has proved his power or even his existence, and thus may be a made up and false god - and Muhammad never was able to prove his connection to a god and thus may be a false prophet, this even more so as he clearly liked riches for bribes, and power and women, believed in using lies (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah) and even deceit and broken oaths if that gave better results (plainly said even in the Quran), and had a very doubtful moral (stealing/robbing, raping, suppressing, murdering, deceiving ("war is deceit" - and every place outside Islam is "the land of war"), lying even in the Quran, just to mention a few facts - all this from central Islamic religious literature and history). If the Quran is a made up book and Allah thus a made up god, Allah is as false god as all the other false gods. What is sure, is that the Quran is not from a god - no god makes that many and grave mistakes, contradictions, unclear language, cases of invalid logic, etc.

149 27/59f: "- - - false gods they (non-Muslims*) associate (with Him) (Allah*) - - -". They do not associate other gods with Allah, but he or they are instead of Allah. But Muhammad uses such expressions many places in the Quran - it makes Allah sound much bigger. The exception with some twisting was Arabia, where the polytheistic main god al-Lah/Allah and the monotheistic god Allah had so close names that Muhammad could mix them - an Arabism in this case. But this simply was a linguistic dishonesty.

150 27/60a: "Or, who has created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth, and who sends you down rain from the sky?" Like so often Muhammad takes natural phenomena and without any proofs claims his god made or makes it, just like prophets of most religions do - words are that cheap as long as you can flee from proving anything. Invalid as proof or even indication for Allah, as long as it is not proved it really is Allah who made/makes it.

151 27/60e: "(Can there be another) god besides Allah?"

  1. First: We cannot know if "besides Allah" has a meaning, as we cannot know if Allah exists - if not, there is no "besides Allah" no matter how many other gods exists. One can believe it ever so strong, but as long as he does not prove himself, it only is belief, not real knowledge. Beliefs - even strong beliefs - have proved wrong before, just think about all strong believers in false gods.
  2. Secondly: There is no natural law preventing more than one god. In this case Islam f.x. has the problem with Yahweh - a god who clearly has proved himself if either the Bible or the Quran is correct on these points, and who clearly is not the same god as Allah, in spite of Islam's never documented claims about this - too much, too many, and too deep differences between the teachings, moral codes, etc. If there is just one god at least one of these two does not exist. Which one in case is the more likely one? Also see 25/18a above.

152 27/63f: "(Can there be another) god besides Allah?" See 2/255a, 6/106b, 25/18a, 27/60e and 27/61g above.

153 27/66a: "Still less can their (false gods*) knowledge comprehend the Hereafter - - -". But is Allah any better? He has not proved his power. He definitely has not proved his knowledge if he is behind the Quran. He has not even proved he is not a false god - or his very existence. And all which is said and claimed about him, rests only - only - on the words of a man who even the Quran and other central Islamic books show had a doubtful moral and doubtful reliability (note that we say "show" not "say" - acts and demands are much more reliable than glorious words and claims).

Another point is that according to the Bible the only really omniscient god is Yahweh.

154 27/66b: "Still less can their (other gods*) knowledge comprehend the Hereafter - - -". This depends entirely on how reliable sources they (f.x. Yahweh) have for their knowledge. (It does not take much to be more reliable than the Quran).

*155 28/38a: “Pharaoh said: ‘O Chiefs! No god do I know for you but myself - - -”. This is one of the really good ones, because Egypt at the time of Ramses II had a good number of gods, included some central ones with a strong clerical organization - not to mention: How then explain Islam‘s own story about Ha-Amen in 28/6c above? (It is typical for many “explanations” of mistakes in the Quran that Muslims “explain” some aspects of it, but are then unable not to “collide” with other information in the book - f.x. explaining the heavens as the modern universe (see 51/47c) without telling how the stars then could be fastened to the lowest heaven (37/6-7, 41/12)). But at the time of Muhammad the old gods were reduced - Egypt was partly Christian (the forefathers of the present-day Copts). A real god had not made this blunder, but Muhammad could not know. Then who composed the Quran?

Islam tries to explain this away with that it is not meant literally - only that Ramses II was the top. But in this case - like so often - it is very clear what the Quran says. And also remember that the Quran - and most Muslims - say that the Quran is to be meant literally where nothing else is said - - - and to call something an allegory or say it is figuratively meant, we think is the for Islam the most used means of explaining away of things/mistakes in the Quran which has no explanation.

156 28/62b: "Where are My (Allah's*) 'partners'?" It may well be correct that they do not exist. But does a claimed god who in 1400 - and actually thousands according to the Quran - years never has given a clear proof for his existence, really exist? Or is he, too, a made up god?

157 28/64b: "- - - but they (other gods than Allah*) will not answer them (people*) - - -". A central question for Muslims if there is a Day of Doom: Will there really be an Allah able to answer them? and will he in case belong to the light or the dark forces? Oh, there will be a similar first question - the second one we think is answered if the old books tell the truth - to f.x. Jews and Christians, but after all Yahweh at least has proved his existences (which Allah has not) - - - if the old books tell the truth.

158 28/74d: "- - - (Allah's*) 'partners' - - -". For believers in other religions, Allah is a false and made up god, and their god(s) is/are not partner(s) of Allah. But by his choice of words, Muhammad makes it look like Allah is the general god according to all humans, but that they have additional gods. Wrong. Also see 25/18a above.

29/8b: "- - - join with Me (Allah*) (other gods*) - - -". This only can be the case if Allah exists - you cannot join something to nothing.

159 29/8f: "- - - anything of which ye have no knowledge - - -". In this case = false gods. (Another question is if Allah in reality belongs to them, as there never was a proof for his existence.)

160 29/17a: "The things that ye (Abram/Abraham's people*) worship besides Allah have no power - - -". May be right - but the never answered question: Is Allah any better? Nothing is proved and the Quran is full of mistakes, etc.. The only thing which is sure, is that the Quran is not from a god - too much is wrong in the book. Also see 25/18a above.

161 29/17c: "- - - (gods*) besides Allah - - -". According to the Bible Abraham's god was Yahweh, not Allah. (But as Allah - or al-Lah/Allah before Muhammad renamed him to only Allah - seems originally in Arabia to have been an old moon-god, it is not unlikely that Abram's people had a similar moon-god, but perhaps with another name.)

To repeat Allah's history very short: He originally was a main god named Il further east. He perhaps came to Arabia with people who settled there, and he became the moon god al-Ilah, at least in south Arabia. The name drifted from al-Ilah to al-Lah and later also to Allah - the name Muhammad later occupied. His full position in Mecca around 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission, is not 100% clear, because Islam has destroyed and eradicated so much information about him, but it is clear he then was the pagan main god there. As he is said to have been represented in the Kabah, as also the other main male god, Hubal, is said to have been represented inside there, and as the Arabs is said to normally have had only one male god in a temple, it is possible that these two at that time were reckoned to be two names for the same god. It seems that the Kabah temple originally was dedicated to Hubal, which in case either means that al-Lah outcompeted Hubal or Hubal simply was another name for al-Lah.

162 29/22c: "- - - nor have ye (humans*), besides Allah, any protector or helper". Perhaps not besides - but what about instead of? - f.x. Yahweh?

163 29/25b: "- - - idols besides Allah - - -". See 25/18a.

164 30/31d: "- - - join no gods with Allah - - -". But is Allah in reality a god? He has never proved his power. He has never proved even his existence. There only are lose claims and even loser words - and in all other aspects of life one often and easily are cheated if one believes blindly in such words. And the Quran on top of all is told only by a man of doubtful moral and reliability (why do you think it is so essential for Islamic clergy/scholars to tell and claim and claim he is nearly a saint? - simply because he in reality is the very weak point in Islam. And similar goes for the demand for blind faith: Nothing is proved, and much is proved wrong - you have to have blind faith not to ask difficult questions.) Besides see 25/18a above.

165 30/35a: "Or have We (Allah*) sent down authority to them (non-Muslims*) which points out to them the things (false gods*) to which they pay part-worship". But the very fundamental question is: Does Allah exist, and in case he does: Does he really have the power to send authority of any kind? This simply is one more of the classical Islamic way of debating: "What we say is the truth and does not need verification - so we can make claims on basis of that". But the claims are 100% invalid, as long as the underlying claimed facts are not proved.

###Also note Muhammad's technique: He pretends Allah is a fact, so that no proofs are necessary. You meet this and similar techniques legion places in the Quran.

166 30/40f: "Are there any of your (non-Muslims') 'Partners' who can do a single one of these things?" This is not the central question here. The central question here is: Is Allah able to do it, or is everything just words? Neither Allah nor Muhammad has ever produced one single proof about anything of consequence: Is it bluff or reality?

167 31/13e: "- - - false worship is indeed the highest wrongdoing". Does this also go for Muslims if the Quran is a made up book? (It at least by far have too many errors to be from a god.)

168 31/30c: "- - - whatever else they (non-Muslims*) invoke besides Him (Allah*), is Falsehood - - -". Well, even if we drop all other claimed gods, there still remains the problem Yahweh. If the old books tell the truth, he has proved his existence - and he is NOT the same god as Allah, like Muhammad liked to claim; fundamentally too different teachings.

169 32/4e: “- - - ye (Muslims/people*) have none, besides Him (Allah*), to protect or intercede (for you) - - -.” But:

  1. 9/71: “The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another - - -.” Men and women hardly are in the same league as a god – but they are protectors according to the Quran.
  2. It also at least one place is said angels protect you.
  3. And not least there is question about Yahweh - Jesus told he was a helper, at least for believers in Yahweh.

170 33/17e: "Nor will they (people*) find for themselves, besides Allah, any protector or helper".

  1. This only can be true if Allah exists and is a major god. There are no real indications for that this is the case.
  2. And it only can be true if no other god exists - and the Quran admits that the old Jewish god exists, even though they try to call him Allah instead of Yahweh (the two cannot be the same god in spite of the Quran's claims - the basic ideas of the teachings are too different).

171 34/22b: "Call upon any other (gods) whom ye (people*) fancy, besides Allah; they have no power". Perhaps correct - but also Allah has never, not one single time, clearly showed any power. Is he any better?

172 34/22d: "- - - nor is any of them (other gods*) a helper of Allah". If Allah does not exist, he naturally can have no helper.

173 34/27b: "- - - those (other gods*) whom ye (non-Muslims*) have joined with Him (Allah*) as partners - - -". See 25/18a above.

#174 35/3c: "Is there a Creator, other than Allah - - -". Is Allah a creator? Yes, is Allah a creator? There are lots of lose claims and as lose statements about him, but not one atom is proved or documented. And claims for blind belief are the hallmarks of cheats and deceivers - and sometimes politicians. Also see 6/2b, 7/158i, 11/7a and not least 21/56c above.

###Also note Muhammad's technique: He debates like Allah is a proved fact, even though he never was able to prove one inch about Allah - lots of claims, but never a real proof. You meet this technique many places in the Quran - some places even added by demands for proofs from all non-Muslims.

####There also is an extra point here: Muhammad's demands for proofs from non-Muslims prove that he meant proofs were essential, but all the same he himself was totally unable to give a valid proof for any of his central claims concerning Allah or Islam or the Quran or his own claimed connection to a god.

175 35/3d: "Is there a Creator, other than Allah - - -". Yes, according to the Bible there is - Yahweh. The old Jewish and Christian god even Islam admits - rightly or wrongly - exists, though they wrongly mix him up with Allah.

176 35/13g: "And those (gods*) whom ye (non-Muslims*) invoke besides Him (Allah*) have not the least power (except Yahweh?*)". The disturbing fact here is that Allah has also never - never - in any connection clearly showed his claimed power. All there is are claims never documented".

177 35/14a: "If ye (non-Muslims*) invoke them (other gods*), they will not listen to your call, and if they were to listen, they cannot answer your (prayer)". Similar to 35/13g just above.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

178 35/40c: "- - - 'Partners' of yours (non-Muslims'*) whom ye call upon besides Allah - - -". See 25/18a above.

179 35/40d: "Show me (Muhammad*) what it is they (other gods*) have created in the (wide) earth". But the problem is the same with Allah: Show us even an atom you can prove he has created. Words are very cheap, and any priest of any god can claim anything as long as he is able to evade all questions for proofs, like the case is in Islam. Only lose words. Muhammad also normally demanded proofs form any opponent, but was never able to prove any of his own central claims. Something like: ######"Proofs are essential to be believed - but I am unable to prove anything, and all the same you shall believe my stories in spite of all the errors".

180 35/40g: "Or have We (Allah*) given them a book from which they (can derive) clear (evidence)?" This sentence is so naive, that one has to remember that in the really old times when few knew how to read and write, the written word carried huge respect among the uneducated classes. Many of them simply did not know that it is just as easy to make up books as to make up verbal tales, and that a book does not prove one iota more than a verbal story: In both cases the contents have to be checked and proved true, before it is evidence for anything at all. The Quran has so many mistakes, etc. that it has zero value as proof, unless there are additional proofs. It here is symptomatic that serious science never looks to the Quran for proofs or even indication for anything which is older than 610 AD.

181 36/23c: "- - - of no use whatever will be their (other gods*) intercession for me (a person*), nor can they deliver me". But there never was a proved case which showed that Allah can do this, too. If such a proved case had existed, you bet Islam had told about it - Islam and each and every of its Muslims.

###182 36/74: "Yet they (non-Muslims*) take (for worship) gods other than Allan - - -". Most natural, as they do not believe in Allah - some even knowing how much is wrong in the Quran and thus in Islam.

183 36/75a: “They (different gods*) have not the power to help them (man? gods?*) - - -". One pertinent question: Has Allah ever proved any power at all? And another: What about f.x. Yahweh? - if the old books tell the truth, he at least has proved his existence and power - - - if as said the old books tell the truth.

184 37/125a: "- - - Ba'al - - -". Also written Baal. Name used for several gods in the old Canaan and Israel/Judah - included also the Syrian sun-god. If Hubal just was another name for al-Lah/Allah, the pagan version of Allah may have been part of or influenced by that religion.

185 37/152: “’Allah hath begotten children‘? But they are liars!” May be Allah has no children. But if Allah = Yahweh like Muslims like to claim, there is the curious fact that Jesus many, many times called Yahweh his father - and clearly not like an allegory or figuratively.

186 37/153-154: "Did He (Allah*) (then) choose daughters rather than sons? What is the matter with ye (people*)? How judge ye?". In the old Pagan religion the 3 goddesses al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat were the daughters of the main god al-Lah/Allah. See 37/149b above.

187 37/161-162: "- - - neither ye (non-Muslims*) nor those (other gods*) ye worship can lead (any (believer*)) into temptation concerning Allah". The meaning is that no other gods have the power to lead persons or Muslims astray from Allah. The underlying - but as normal never proved - claim is that the other gods do not exist and thus have no power, which Allah do and has. This claim naturally is wrong if Allah does not exist or is nothing supernatural (he can have power even if he belongs to the dark forces). There also is another underlying, never proved presumption: That no other god - f.x. Yahweh - exists, and that thus no other god - again f.x. Yahweh - has any power.

#188 38/5a: "He (Muhammad*) has made the gods (all) into one God?" That was not exactly what he did: The took the main pagan Arab god, al-Lat/Allah, used only the name Allah, and claimed he was the only real god. Then he sacked all the other Arab and other pagan gods, but not the god of the Jews and the Christians, Yahweh. Instead he said that his god Allah and Yahweh in reality were the same god (a claim which is not true, as the teachings fundamentally are too different). He also claimed that the Arabs of the old had meant that the two were just 2 names for the same god, and this is the official claim today. But lately we have found that not all scientists are sure about this, as there is little or no real documentation for that the old Arabs really meant al-Lah/Allah was the same god as Yahweh - and after all also the distance between Yahweh and the pagan al-Lah/Allah was formidable. If this doubt is correct, this means that also the claimed close connection between Yahweh and Allah is one of Muhammad's claims, only based on Muhammad's own ideas.

189 38/10a: "- - - have they (other gods*) the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth and all between?". The impertinent but pertinent question here is: Does Allah have? - or is also this just a bluff? (There are bluffs and even outright lies in the Quran - f.x. that miracles would make no-one believe anyhow. Muhammad knew better.)

#190 39/36c: "- - - other (gods) besides Him (Allah*) - - -". Another Arabism, because no non-Muslim had Allah as a god in addition to their real god(s) - an expression Muhammad often used because it made Allah sound bigger (the underlying claim: Everybody believe in Allah, though some have other gods in addition - Allah must be the central and main god for all in reality!). But you only could use this claim in Arabia, where the main pagan god was named al-Lah/Allah (the god Muhammad took over and called only Allah), because for one thing the names were so alike that a little twist of the pronunciation was enough to be able to claim that the pagans talked about Allah, and for another when the pagans meant the pagan god al-Lah, Muhammad easily could claim they really meant his monotheistic Allah, as he had taken over al-Lah and dressed him up only, so that in reality they spoke about the same god.

191 39/38e: "The things that ye (non-Muslims*) invokes besides Allah - - -". Wrong. Non-Muslims do not invoke anything besides Allah - they involve other gods than Allah, and not Allah at all. Even the pagan Arabs invoked the old pagan god al-Lah, not Muhammad's modernized copy of him, Allah. But claiming that they invoked Allah, but added other gods, of course fitted Muhammad, as it made his god the central one - - - even in cases where the opposite part did not accept Allah at all - f.x. most of the local Jews.

192 39/38f: "- - - can they (other gods*), if Allah wills some penalty for me, remove His Penalty?". Can Allah do either of this? - not one proved case is documented in 1400 years and more. Lots of claims, but never a proved case - and claims cost nothing.

193 39/43a: "Do they take for intercessors others beside Allah?" See 2/165c, 2/255a, 6/106b and especially 25/18a above.

194 39/67e: "- the Partners they (non-Muslims*) attribute to him (Allah*) - - -". Wrong. Most non-Muslims do not have gods in addition to Allah, but one or more god(s) instead of Allah. Allah is far from as central as Muhammad liked to pretend with expressions like this. Also see 34/8b and 39/32c above.

195 40/20f: "- - - those (other gods*) whom (men) invoke besides Him (Allah*) - - -". See 25/18a above.

196 40/20g: "- - - (other gods*) will not (be in a position) to judge at all". The same goes for Allah if he is a made up god - and we remind you that the Quran with all its mistakes is not from any god. Besides: If f.x. Yahweh exists, the quote is wrong.

197 40/43b: "- - - one who is not fit to be called to - - -". Other gods - f.x. Yahweh.

198 40/73: "- - - part-worship (in addition to Allah*) - - -". See 25/18a above.

199 41/6g: "- - - join gods with Allah - - -". See 2/165c, 2/255a, 6/106b and 25/18a above

200 41/48: "The (deities) they (non-Muslims*) used to invoke aforetime will leave them in the lurch - - -". There remain to disturbing questions:

  1. Is Allah any better - especially if he does not exist? - after all the Quran with all its mistakes is not from any god, and then Islam may be - likely is - a false religion.
  2. Will f.x. Yahweh - whom the Quran admits exists, even though it wrongly mixes him up with Allah - really leave his followers in the lurch? That in case is not in accordance with Jesus' words, and even the Quran says Jesus was reliable.

201 42/13h: "- - - to those (non-Muslims*) who worship other things (gods*) than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou (Allah*) callest them". If Allah exists. If he is a major god. And if he is correctly described in the Quran in spite of all its errors, etc.

202 42/21b: "- - - established some religion without the permission of Allah?" Allah has never - never - demonstrated neither power to permit, nor to deny permission for other religions. Actually if he had had such power, it had not been necessary for Muslims to wage war against others - Allah had fixed it much easier himself. (And in this connection remember that for an omniscient god there is no reason to test his followers by f.x. sending them to war (but a good reason for a leader wanting power, and riches for more power - and women) - he knows everything anyhow).

But note Muhammad's method of debating: He starts with a never proved statement, pretends it is a fact, and argues from there on. Logically it is totally hopeless and invalid, but efficient demagogy. But who is it who has to rely on made up statements, invalid logic, and demagogy? - the cheater, the deceiver, the swindler, the charlatan.

203 42/21c: "Had it not been for the Decree of Judgment, the matter (other gods true or not*) would have been decided between them (non-Muslims*) (at once)". Truth - or just explaining away Allah's/Muhammad's inability to do anything about it?

204 42/31c: ""- - - nor have ye (people*), besides Allah, anyone to protect or to help". Contradicted: Once more we are back to beings like Yahweh - both the Bible and the Quran claims he exists (though the Quran wrongly mixes him up with Allah), and both claim he is helpful and a protector. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

205 42/44b: "For any whom Allah leaves astray, there is no protector thereafter". This presumes that Allah exists and is a major god. But once more there is the question: Both the Bible and the Quran claim that the old Jewish - and Christian - god Yahweh exists (even though the Quran wrongly mixes him up with Allah), and he has a reputation for being a helper and a protector.

206 42/46a: "And no protector have they (non-Muslims*) to help them, other than Allah". See 42/31c above.

207 43/86b: “And those whom they invoke (“gods”, saints*) besides Allah have no power of intercession – only he (has*) who bears witness to the Truth (the Quran*) - - -.” If this all the same refers to Allah (see 43/86a just above), the meaning changes to one more of the many never proved claims in the Quran: Allah is the only one with power. A power he in case never has proved.

Another point: That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. (Actually it is proved that much is wrong in that book.)

208 46/4c: "Show me (Muhammad*) what it is they (pagan gods*) have created on earth, or have they a share in the heavens (plural and wrong*)?". And show us something Allah clearly has created on Earth - facts, not just lose claims. And has Allah really a share in Heaven - please proofs, not just strong, but cheap and invalid words. Muhammad always claimed proofs from others, so it is clear that proofs are valuable - but he never was able to prove anything essential himself. (When Muslims claim it is primitive or something similar to ask for proofs for the Quran and Allah, just remind them that Muhammad frequently asked for proofs from everyone else. Besides: What really is primitive, is to be naive enough to accept claims for facts in such a grave question as the entire - possible - next life.)

209 46/5a: "And who is more astray than one who invokes besides Allah such as will not answer him (also Allah has never clearly answered anybody - if Islam could prove such an unmistakable answer, you bet they had told about it*) to the Day of Judgment, and who (in fact) are unconscious to their call (on them)- - -" If the Quran is without mistakes and tells only and the full truth, all non-Muslims are astray. If there are mistakes in the Quran, then all Muslims are astray - because then the book is not from a god and Islam a false religion - (and most likely also a lot of non-Muslims also in that case are astray, as hardly all gods are real). (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)

210 46/5b: "- - - invoke besides Allah - - -". See 25/18a above.

212 46/28c: "- - - (other gods all are*) falsehood - - -". Correct if Allah exists and is the only god. Wrong if he is not an only god, or if he is a made up god and there exists another instead - f.x. Yahweh.

213 46/28f: "- - - (pagan gods*) were their (non-Muslims'*) invention". A relevant question here is: Whose invention is the Quran, as it is not from any god? - and whose invention is Allah if he just is a fiction in a book full of errors, etc.? (This last question may be extra relevant here, as Allah originally was the pagan Arab god al-Lah/Allah whom Muhammad renamed slightly to only Allah, and claimed he was monotheistic and the only god.)

214 47/11d: "- - - (non-Muslims*) have no protector". We are back to what is claimed in the Quran vs. f.x. in the Bible. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs. The Bible tells that Yahweh is a good protector for his followers. And also the Quran admits that Yahweh exists, even though it wrongly mixes him up with Allah.

215 51/51a: "- - - make not another an object of worship (together*) with Allah - - -". See 25/18a above.

216 52/36a: "Or did they (other gods*) create the heavens and the earth?" Another of Muhammad's rhetoric questions intended to have only one possible answer. But any believer in any religion might answer "yes" on just as correct a basis as any Muslim: Claims and beliefs and not one proof. Because in addition to this obvious "yes", there is a counter-question Muhammad never permitted: Did Allah really create it and where are the proofs in case? Muhammad always behaved like his claimed "truth" was true and needed no proofs - both of which are wrong - - - unless proved.

217 52/43a: "Or have they (non-Muslims*) a god other than Allah?" Many had - some might even have a true god, like Yahweh perhaps was and is (for sure if one either the Bible or the Quran tells the truth on this point - though the Quran wrongly mixes him up with Allah).

218 52/43c: "- - - (other gods) they (non-Muslims*) associate with Him (Allah*) - - -". See 2/255a and 25/18a above.

219 53/23a: "These (other gods than Allah*) are nothing but names which ye (non-Muslims*) have devised". This may or may not be true - it depends on if there are real other gods, f.x. Yahweh. But the obvious contra-question is: Is al-Lah/Allah more than a name and a fiction?

220 59/23n: "(High is He (Allah*)) above the partners they attribute to him". Wrong. Non-Muslims do not attribute partners to Allah. They believe in other gods INSTEAD of Allah, and do not at all believe that Allah is a real god (if they had done, they had become Muslims at once). Also see 25/18a above.

221 60/4e: "- - - whatever ye (non-Muslims*) worship besides Allah - - -". Wrong. Muhammad often used this expression - it gives the impression that Allah is so central that everyone worship him, but that the non-Muslims had other gods in addition. The plain truth is that non-Muslims did not believe in Allah at all, but had other god(s). This also was the case for the old Arabs, where Muhammad twisted the facts to make it look like his claim was right. The old pagan Arabs did not believe in Muhammad's Allah, but in the old pagan god al-Lah/Allah. Also see 25/18a above

222 60/4f: "- - - whatever ye (non-Muslims*) worship besides Allah - - -". If you are able to believe there was any worshipping of Allah some 2500 years before Muhammad started his preaching, you are free to do so. But neither science, nor Islam has been able to find even the smallest trace of such worshipping older than 610 AD, when Muhammad started. We may add for what it is worth that it also is contradicted by the Bible, which tells Yahweh was Abraham's god, not Allah. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

223 72/20b: "- - - join not with Him (Allah*) any (false god)". If Allah does not exist, it is not possible to join anything with him. But for that see 2/255a, 6/106b, and 25/18/a above.

224 89/1-4b: "By - - -". In all these 4 verses Allah/Muhammad swears - 4 very clear proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad is not in the same line of anything of any consequence: The NT very clearly states that you shall not swear at all (Matt 5/34), and it is clear that if you do so all the same, you have to honor your oath, whereas in the Quran you can break any oath if that gives a better result - pay expiation if necessary (but to be fair: The Quran advises not to break a confirmed oath (!) if there is not a good reason. To break other oaths matters little.)

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