Allah in the Quran, Chapter 72

 

Chapter 72

ALLAH AND HELL

 

001 This is one of the points Muslims are not too eager to debate: Many Muslim scholars believe Allah also is the real ruler of Hell, and the real boss of Iblis/the Devil. This from the simple and correct logic that if not, Allah is not omnipotent. The points below also may directly or indirectly indicate that they are right.

002 But if this is the case, what kind of "good and benevolent god" is Allah in reality?

##### Another - and serious - point is that to "explain" that the Quran means something different from what it really says, is to corrupt and falsify it.

Also: What is sure, is that no god ever made a holy book as full of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, unclear language, etc. like the Quran. #### Besides: Which one of the 20-30 known versions accepted by Islam of the Quran (see 15/9c) - if any (and there were even more versions through the times) - is in case the correct one?

Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable is that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?

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003 2/167a: "Nor will there be a way for them (sinners, non-Muslims*) out of the fire." Well, there is a possibility in the beginning, as may be some of the not too bad ones may be called out from the flames. Also in the Quran there are indications for that may be Hell is not quite forever (6/128c, 11/107b, 43/74d, 51/13c, 78/23).

004 4/140d: "For Allah will collect the Hypocrites and all those who defy Faith - in Hell". Often claimed, never proved. It is not even proved that Allah exists or that he has the power for doing this.

005 4/140e: "For Allah will collect the Hypocrites and all those who defy Faith - in Hell". As far as the ones who believe in the Bible this is contradicted by the Bible. The same goes for the ones who believe in the Quran - the ones living according to the harsh parts of the Quran's partly immoral moral code, etc. hardly will have a chance to be accepted by a god behind something like NT (if that god exists, the chances for which at least exists). But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

006 4/168-169: "- - - Allah will not - - - guide them (non-Muslims*) to any way - Except the way to Hell - - -". Compare this to f.x. "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep", "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), or "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8/13) in NT. Definitely not the same god.

007 9/63b: "- - - for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*), is the Fire of Hell - - -". As for all practical purposes here on Earth this meant opposition to Muhammad, this sentence in reality means: "- - - for those who oppose Muhammad, is the Fire of Hell". A strong argument for a robber baron and warlord. Also see 3/77b and 9/62a above.

008 14/17: Hell is pure and brutal sadism. Is it fair punishment for the after all limited sins most sinners have made?

009 17/8f: "- - - and We (Allah*) have made Hell a prison for those who reject (all Faith)". See 3/77b above.

010 17/18c: "- - - in the end have We (Allah*) provided Hell for them (sinners*) - - -". Allah, not Iblis provided - a good and benevolent god? And a confirmation of that Allah is the real top ruler of Hell. See 3/77b above.

##011 17/97l: "- - - We (Allah*) shall increase for them (non-Muslims*) the fierceness of the (Hell*) Fire". Is this another indication for that the real ruler of Hell is Allah? What kind of good and benevolent god is he in case?

012 18/102d: "Verily We (Allah*) have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers - - -". See 3/77b above.

013 19/68e: "- - - then shall We (Allah*) bring them (people*) on their knees round about Hell - - -". See 3/77b above.

014 19/72d: "- - - and We (Allah*) shall leave the wrongdoers therein (in Hell*) - - -". Similar answer to 19/72a above, except that this is possible also if he belongs to the dark forces.

015 19/86a: "- - - And We (Allah*) shall drive the sinners to Hell - - -". See 3/77b above.

016 23/73c: "- - - thou (Muhammad*) callest them (people*) to the Straight Way - - -". Perhaps - but where is that straight way leading as the Quran, the guide-book full of mistakes, etc., is not from any god? - no god would deliver a quality like the Quran for his holy book. Not to mention if the real maker of the Quran was a dressed up Iblis/the Devil, like one of the theories for its creation says?

017 25/11d: "We (Allah*) have prepared a Blazing Fire for such (non-Muslims*) - - -". ###Is this a slip of the tongue confirming that Allah also is the real master of Hell?

018 25/11e: "We (Allah*) have prepared a Blazing Fire for such (non-Muslims*) - - -". If he exists and in addition is either a god or a devil (dressed up like Gabriel, Muhammad would not have a chance to see the difference between a dressed up Iblis/the Devil and Gabriel - this even more so as he had never seen Gabriel in case).

019 32/13k: “If We (Allah*) so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, ‘I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together’”. Many Muslim scholars believe Allah is the real ruler also of Hell, as Iblis could not run it against the wish and will of Allah, as Allah is omnipotent. This verse indicates that this may be correct. What does it in case tell about Allah?

020 38/85: "- - - I (Allah*) will certainly fill Hell - - -". This tells something about Allah - he, not Iblis, is filling Hell.

021 41/40h: “Which is better? - he that is cast into the Fire (by Allah*), or he that comes safe through - - -”. But as the Quran is not from any god - Allah or whoever - who is who?

022 48/6f: "- - - He (Allah*) has cursed them and got Hell ready for them (non-Muslims*)". This he cannot do unless he exist and in addition is either a god or a devil.

###023 48/6g: "- - - He (Allah*) has - - - got Hell ready for them (non-Muslims*)". Is this yet another indication for that Allah is the real top boss for Hell, like many Muslim scholars believe? (The logic is that if Allah is omnipotent, Iblis/the Devil cannot run Hell without Allah's permission). Some good and benevolent god in case.

024 51/14a: "Taste ye (non-Muslims*) your trial (Hell*)!". But why - WHY - does a predestining, omniscient god need to try and test people!??? ###And does Allah's sending them to Hell indicate that he also is the master of Hell? - many points in the Quran indicate this, and also a number of Muslim scholars believe so. What does this in case tell about the claimed "good and benevolent" Allah?

025 53/31d: "- - - He (Allah*) rewards those who do evil (by sending them to Hell*) - - -". Only if he exists and is a god powerful enough to do this. If he belongs to the dark forces, he may cheat people to Hell. But note here that it is Allah who sends them to Hell.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

026 66/6e: "- - - the Commands they (angels*) receive from Allah - - -". This verse is about Hell. Is this a proof for a theory many Islamic scholars have - that Allah is the real ruler of Hell? (The theory says that as Allah is omnipotent, Iblis cannot run Hell without Allah's permission, and he also cannot run it unless it is part of Allah's Plan.)

In that case Allah is quite a "good and benevolent" god.

027 67/7-9: "Description" of life in Hell - a pep-talk to Muhammad's followers and a try to terrify the listeners to flee into Islam and to be obedient and willing in order to evade this terror.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

028 68/33b: "- - - but greater is the Punishment in the Hereafter - - -". Hell. But also see 3/77b above.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

029 69/33a: "This was he (who was punished in Hell*) that would not believe in Allah Most High". The underlying meaning: People who do not believe in me, Muhammad, end in Hell.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

030 69/36a: “Nor hat he (the sinner in Hell*) any food except the corruption from washing wounds.” A pertinent question: How and with what do you wash wounds – and how do fried wounds excrete corruption - in Hell? - it is fried from the heat long before it is excreted. But that aside:

  1. 37/66: “- - - they (the “infidels” in Hell*) will eat thereof (the disgusting fruits of the zaqqum tree in Hell*) and fill their bellies therewith.” About zaqqum tree also see 44/43 and 56/52-54 above
  2. 88/6: “No food will there be for them (the “infidels” in Hell*) but a bitter dari (a dry bush with needles*) - - -.”

(2 contradictions.)

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

031 72/15b: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) are (but) fuel for Hellfire". One of Muhammad’s many negative - often distaste or stronger inducing - characteristics of non-Muslims.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

###032 73/12a: "With Us (Allah*) are - - - a Fire (to burn them (non-Muslims*)) - - -". Many Muslim scholars mean that Allah also is behind the existence of Hell - as Allah is omnipotent, the Devil/Iblis could not run a Hell without the permission of Allah. The words "With Us" may indicate that they are right. Allah in case really is a good and benevolent(?) god permitting and supervising Hell.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

033 74/31a: "And We (Allah*) has set none but angels as guardians of the Fire - - -". Many Muslim scholars believe Allah also runs Hell, as the Devil/Iblis could not run it without the permission of Allah, as Allah is claimed to be omnipotent. This - that Allah has the guardians of Hell - may be a slip of the tongue showing that thus is correct. But what does this in case tell about the claimed good and benevolent god Allah - if he exists?

034 92/14a: "- - - I (Allah or Muhammad speaking? - Allah normally uses "We", not "I", whereas Muhammad normally uses "I"*) warn you (people*) of a Fire blazing fiercely - - -". See 3/77b above.

035 104/6a: "(It is) the Fire of (the Wrath of) Allah kindled (to blaze) - - -". A number of Muslim scholars believe also Hell is part of Allah's work - Iblis/the Devil could not run Hell against the wish of an omnipotent god. This verse seems to confirm the idea.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

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