Allah in the Quran, Chapter 66
01 Jan 2015
Section VII: ALLAH AND THE PROMISED NEXT LIFE
WHY DOES THE OMNISCIENT GOD ALLAH NEED WITNESSES TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE PEOPLE?
(This chapter is closely related to "Why does Allah need to test people to be able to evaluate people?" Take a look at that one, too.)
001 Muhammad many places in his tales and arguments referred to Allah's use of witnesses. But why does an omniscient god need witnesses to know what has happened? Is he not really omniscient? Or does he - a claimed omniscient god - need witnesses to make his followers or others believe him? - or believe he is a just judge?
002 The situation becomes directly a parody if the Quran is right when it several places clearly states that Allah predestines everything, and thus also predestines your reactions to his claimed facts, statements, and decisions, and thus predestines whether you believe him or not. (Islam and its Muslims try to downplay predestination, because it is impossible to combine it to some other aspects of the Quran's teaching, but the Quran is very clear on that point: Allah predestines everything, and everything goes back to him and his predestinations for diction, and to his predestined Plan which nobody and nothing can change.)
003 I know the family of a learned and very reliable man. In adult age his daughter once told me that "when father said something, we always knew it was the truth". Allah's need for witnesses may indicate less trustworthiness than that man had.
###### Another - and serious - point is that to "explain" that the Quran means something different from what it really says, is to corrupt it.
Also: What is sure, is that no god ever made a holy book as full of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, unclear language, etc. like the Quran. #### Besides: Which one of the 20-30 known versions accepted by Islam of the Quran (see 15/9c) - if any (and there were even more versions through the times) - is in case the correct one?
Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable are that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?
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004 2/143d: "- - - witnesses over the nations - - -". Why does an omniscient god so often in the Quran need witnesses?
005 4/41a: "How then if We (Allah*) brought from each People a witness - - -?" But why - WHY - does a god who Islam claims is omniscient and predestining, need witnesses??!!
006 4/135d: "- - - a witness to Allah - - -". But why does a presumed or at least claimed omniscient and predestining god need witnesses? This even more so as even in this same verse it is stated that Allah knows everything one does!? See 4/135f below.
007 4/166d: "- - - the angels bear witness - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need witnesses?
008 4/166e: "- - - enough is Allah for a witness". Only if he exists and in addition is reliable in spite of the Quran's and Islam's points of view concerning al-Taqiyya (lawful lies), Kitman (lawful half-truths), etc., deception ("war is deceit" - and everything is war), broken words/oaths, etc. Not to mention his reliability if he in reality is from the dark forces. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)
009 7/37e: "- - - witness - - -". Why did an omniscient god even bother with witnesses - or throw away time listening to things he already knew?
010 7/172c: "- - - made them (people*) testify concerning themselves". Why is that necessary when the god not only knows everything, but even predestines everything?
011 10/21d: "Our (Allah's*) messengers record all the plots ye (non-Muslims*) make!.
Untrue for the simple reason that it is impossible - at best they can record the ones they get to know about.
And: WHY does an omniscient, predestining god need a record??
012 10/61d: "- - - recorded in a clear Record". Why did an omniscient god need a record?
013 11/18c: "- - - witnesses - - -" Why do Allah arrange a “court” and why the witnesses, and why the writing down - in this case and in some other cases in the Quran? If Allah is omniscient, he knows everything and this all is just theatre – a farce. Or is he not omniscient? Why does he need witnesses?
But it may be an efficient tale to tell followers on Earth if they are not trained in thinking. And these variants of course also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has/have more than one meaning.
014 16/38d: "- - - that Allah will not raise up those who die - - -". Quite likely correct. For one thing he cannot if he does not exist, and for another he has not proved the power of being able to create anything at all, included recreating or even resurrecting the dead (which Yahweh has proved if the old books tell the truth).
015 16/84b: "- - - a Witness - - -". Many Muslim scholars believe it here is referred to all the claimed prophets who according to the Quran are sent out by Allah, but it is not clear - like so much in the Quran. But why does Allah need a Witness, if he is omniscient?
016 16/89b: "- - - raise from all Peoples a witness against them (sinners*), from amongst themselves - - -". See 16/84b above.
017 17/13c: "- - - We (Allah*) shall bring out for him (every man*) a scroll - - -". Why did an omniscient god need "paper"? And a god using something as primitive and time consuming as scrolls!!?
018 17/14: "- - - record - - -". Why does an omniscient god need a record? Is he not reliable enough and needs proofs to be believed?
019 17/58c: "- - - the (eternal) Record - - -" = in this case Allah's Plan. With other words: Allah has predestined and put this into his book, and what is written there, is going to happen - no-one and nothing can change Allah's predestination and Plan. BUT WHY DOES AN OMNISCIENT GOD NEED A RECORD?
020 17/71c: "- - - those who were given their records - - -".The old question: Why does an omniscient god use records? - even in a situation like this it is needed only if the humans distrust him.
021 18/49a: "- - - the Book (of Deeds) - - -". The Quran tells that angels surround you and write down everything you do of good and bad in a book - the Book of Deeds. BUT WHY DOES A PREDESTINING, OMNISCIENT GOD NEED A BOOK?
- Why? - if Allah is omniscient he knows everything without cumbersome books?
- And why write down in books if necessary to note down? - any god would know easier and more efficient methods - though Muhammad not.
022 19/70a: "And certainly We (Allah*) know best those who are most worthy of being burned therein". Allah knows absolutely everything - - - but he needs books, records and tests. Also see 2/233h above.
023 19/79a: "- - - We (Allah*) shall record - - -". Why does a predestining, omniscient god need a record?
024 20/52b: "- - - (Allah*) never errs, nor forgets - - -". Why then does he have to test people? And why does he need records?
025 21/94d: "We (Allah*) shall record it - - -". Why does an omniscient good need a record?
026 22/78i: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*) may be a witness for you, and ye be witnesses for mankind!". But why does an omniscient god need witnesses?
027 23/62b: "- - - a record - - -". Why does an omniscient god need a record?
028 27/75a: "(Everything) is (recorded) in a clear record". But why does Allah need a record if he is omniscient?
029 28/75a: "And from each people We (Allah*) shall draw a witness - - -". What for if Allah is omniscient?
030 28/75b: "And from each people We (Allah*) shall draw a witness - - -". According to Muslim scholars here are meant the prophets claimed by Islam sent to every people and nation in the world throughout all times. There never have been found any kind of traces from claimed Muslim prophets anywhere older than 610 AD, when Muhammad started his preaching - neither by science, nor by Islam. The claimed many prophets/messengers never existed, unless Muslims/Islam bring(s) proofs instead of claims for them.
031 29/9c: "- - - them (good Muslims*) shall We (Allah*) admit to the company of the Righteous". The ones who are going to end up in the Quran's Paradise - - - if the Quran tells the full and only truth. But what if the righteous ones f.x. are the ones living according to "do to others like you want others do to you"? Also see 10/9f above.
032 34/3m: "- - - Record Perspicuous". Why does an omniscient god need a record?/p>
033 36/12c: "- - - We (Allah*) record - - -". Why did an omniscient god need to keep a record (other places in the Quran even tells it is written in a book - like mentioned at the end of this verse)?
034 39/69a: "- - - the Record (of Deeds) will be placed open - - -". This record is a book according to the Quran. But why does an omniscient god need such a record? And why in case does he use so primitive a means as a book? Because Muhammad did not know anything more advanced when he told the story? - a god had known.
035 39/69b: "- - - the witnesses will be brought forward - - -". Why does an omniscient god need witnesses?
036 40/51e: "- - - when the Witness will stand forth - - -". Why does an omniscient god who on top of all decides and predestines all things, need witnesses?
037 41/20: "- - - witness - - -". The Quran never explains why an omniscient good needs witnesses. Any god would have known this was unnecessary.
038 43/80c: "- - - Our (Allah's*) Messengers are by them (people*), to record". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need spies and records?
039 45/28a: "- - - Record - - -". Why does an omniscient god need a record?
040 45/29a: "This Our (Allah's*) Record speaks about you with truth - - -". Why does an omniscient god need a record?
041 48/8a: “We (Allah*) have truly sent thee (Muhammad*) as a witness - - -”. Is this reliable? - in a book with this much mistakes, invalid statements, “signs” and “proofs”? There is only one possible answer to that: A “witness” bringing so much wrong information and wrong fact, is not sent from an omniscient god. And one may add: A “witness” bringing so much injustice, hate and misery to the world, is not sent by a good and benevolent god. If Muhammad at all was sent, on may speculate about by whom. Personally we hardly believe he was sent by even a devil, though the parts of the religion as preached in the Quran, fits any devil well. But not even a devil would make a "holy" book with that many mistakes and errors – he would be found out sooner or later.
###But may be a devil knew that mistakes do not matter very much – may be he knew that religiously blind persons are unable to see even the most obvious mistaken facts, because they do not want to see them? Or maybe that was the condition on which the god permitted the book - so that man should have a fair chance to see the trap and avoid Hell?
042 50/4: "- - - with Us (Allah*) is a record guarding (the full account)". Why does an omniscient god need a record?
043 50/21c: "- - - Witness". Why does an omniscient god need witnesses?
044 50/23b: "Here is (his Record) - - -". Why would an omniscient god need a record?
045 54//52a: "All ye (humans*) do is noted in (their) Books (of Deeds) - - -". Why does an omniscient good need such books?
046 54/52b: "- - - Books (of Deeds) - - -". Why does an omniscient and omnipotent god use such a primitive means as books for noting down deeds and misdeeds if he after all needs to note it down? It would not be difficult to explain that gods had better means. But Muhammad(?) did not think over such things?
047 54/53a: "Every matter, small and great, is on record". It is a sobering sentence for the believers - "beware that angels note down everything you say and do" - but why so if Allah is omniscient and also predestines everything? - why does he need a record? It is another case if Islam is a made up religion - in that case it just is a sentence very sobering for the believers and thus efficient for Muhammad’s - and his successors' - control of the Muslims.
048 54/53b: "Every matter - - - is on record". Why does an omniscient god need to keep records?
049 56/75a: “Furthermore I call to witness - - -". Why does an omniscient and omnipotent god need witnesses? - does he feel he is not trusted?
050 57/19f: "- - - the witnesses (who testify) in the eyes of their (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". Why does an omniscient god need witnesses testifying???
051 58/7e: "For Allah has full Knowledge of all things". But why then does he so often use witnesses in the Quran? With absolute power and total knowledge that does not make sense. Not unless people distrust him.
052 64/16d: "- - - they (good Muslims*) are the ones that achieve prosperity". If the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth - and with no mistakes.
053 69/19a: "- - - his (Muslim's*) Record - - -". But why does an omniscient, predestining god need to keep a record?
054 69/38: "So do I (Allah*) call to witness - - -". This is a question never answered in the Quran: Why does an omniscient god need witnesses? Is he not trusted?
#####055 75/14: "- - - evidence - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need evidence? Of course one may say that it is to show others, but that only is necessary if the others do not trust his words. Also remember that Muslims hardly make any difference between words like "unlikely, but slightly possible", "coincidence", "a chance for", "perhaps", "likely", "probable", "theory", "claim", "truth", etc. etc. and "evidence/proof", "fact", etc., when they find things which they like - in such cases the normal is to treat everything like evidence or proved fact. Also remember their strong tendency to quote the Quran, other Islamic books, quasi-science or twisted science, etc. and pretend it is proofs or facts. Always in such cases demand real proofs from them, included proofs for that the Quran really tells the truth in cases where they quote that book as a "proof" - too much is wrong in the Quran, and therefore it has very little value as a proof, unless real proofs are given in addition.
056 81/10: "- - - the Scrolls - - -". Most likely the Quran here refers to the journals containing the list of bad and good deeds you did in this life. But why did an omniscient god need scrolls?
057 81/15b: "- - - I call to witness - - -". Who is speaking here? It may be Allah - but why do an omniscient, predestining god need witnesses? Or it may be Muhammad - but how can a human speak in a copy of the "mother book" in Heaven, a book which on top of all has to be billions of years old if it is made before the universe or at least before the Earth existed?
058 82/11: "- - - writing down (your deeds) - - -". Why does an omniscient and predestining god need the deeds written down? - and why writing? - does an omniscient and omnipotent god have more "modern" means?
059 83/7b: "- - - the Record of the Wicked - - -". Why does an omniscient god need a record?
060 83/9: "(There is) a Register (fully) inscribed". Once more: Why does an omniscient god need a Register?
061 83/18b: "- - - the Record of the Righteous - - -". Even once more as the Quran never addresses this question: Why does an omniscient god need a record?
062 83/18-21: “Nay, verily (though this definitely is no proved verity/truth*), the Record of the Righteous is (preserved) in ‘illiyin. And what will explain to thee what ‘illiyin" is? (There is a Register (fully) inscribed, to which bear witness those nearest (to Allah).” The omniscient god Allah needs witnesses – and he is not more advanced and omniscient than that everything has to be written down in a good, old-fashioned book.
063 83/21: "- - - witness - - -". Why does a claimed omniscient god need witnesses?
064 84/7a: "- - - Record - - -". Why does an omniscient, predestining god need to keep records?
065 84/8: "- - - his account - - -". Why does an omniscient god need to keep an account?
066 84/10a: “But he who is given his Record behind his back - - -.” The non-Muslim or Muslim sinner.
067 84/14b: "- - - return to Us (Allah - at the Day of Doom*) - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says you will return to Yahweh, not to Allah. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
068 90/1: "I (Allah*) do call to witness this City - - -". But why does an omniscient god need witnesses?
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