Allah in the Quran, Chapter 55

 

Chapter 55

ALLAH DOES FORGIVE(?)

 

001 You very many places in the Quran meet the claim that Allah easily forgives. But then we again are up against all the incoherence and all the contradictions in the book. And we are up against Allah's predestined Plan, which "nobody and nothing can change".

002 To forgive means to forget something bad you have said or thought or done, and forget the punishment for it. But the Quran is very clear on that Allah predestines every detail in your life (Hadiths tells this happens when you are a 4 months old fetus), and that he does so according to his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. But if he forgives, that means he reduces or quit his planned punishment = his Plan is changed.

003 "ERGO": SUCH A SMALL THING AS YOUR PRAYER FOR FORGIVENESS, IN CASE HAS TO CHANGE ALLAH'S UNCHANGEABLE PLAN TO HAVE EFFECT!!!

004 Either the Quran's claim that Allah predestines everything and according to his unchangeable Plan - and these claims are repeated several places in the Quran - is wrong, or Allah cannot forgive anything at all. Something is seriously wrong here!

005 (Similar for the Quran's claims about rewards, punishments, free will for man, etc. - they all are impossible even for a god, if the Quran tells the truth when it states that Allah predestines everything on beforehand, and that nobody and nothing can change his predestinations - his unchangeable Plan. Islam and its top scholars have no explanation or solution to these impossibilities - many not too educated Muslims have, but none of those are valid ones. Of the 5 mentioned impossibilities only the problem of free will for man is much debated, but the 4 others - reward, punishment, forgiving, and prayers for a betterment - are as impossible and invalid, as they all demand change of Allah's Plan "which nobody and nothing can change".)

006 As said: Something is seriously wrong./p>

Also see 2/187d (no. 2 quote below).

##### Another - and serious - point is that to "explain" that the Quran means something different from what it really says, is to corrupt it.

Also: What is sure, is that no god ever made a holy book as full of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, unclear language, etc. like the Quran. ##### Besides: Which one of the 20-30 known versions accepted by Islam of the Quran (see 15/9c) - if any (and there were even more versions through the times) - is in case the correct one?

Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable is that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?

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007 2/173e: "For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 2/2b above.

008 2/187d: "- - - (Allah*) forgave you - - -". Wrong. Allah can forgive nobody unless he for one; exists and for two; is a god, neither of which is documented.

But can at all Allah forgive? - even if he should happen to be a god? The Quran MANY places states that Allah predestines absolutely everything, and he predestines it according to his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. And he predestines it long time before it is going to happen - he f.x. according to Hadiths predestines whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven already when you are a 4 months old fetus = 5 months before you are born. Now the Quran tells that man also has free will - a necessary claim not to make Allah very unjust when he sends a person to Hell for sins (or for that case rewards him for good deeds he was forced to do by Allah) - but those are two things which are impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god to combine. Give man even the slightest degree of free will, and the laws of chaos inexorably finish off predestination - the god can make things happen by adjusting this and that, but the moment man gets the possibility to change his mind once more about something, full predestination is gone - and the same is full precognition. Even Islam admits that full predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man (some claim that partly free will is possible, but that is wrong - the laws of chaos is very clear on that point; the so-called "butterfly effect" kicks in): We quote (A6/141 - comment to verse 6/149): “In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true". But here Islam is leaving religion, and entering pure mysticism and occultism. In the non-material realms of life there are things impossible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god. Proofs for this in 6/149a above.

If there is complete predestination in Islam, like the Quran states as absolute several places in the Quran, forgiving can have no effect in this religion - everything is already decided, and nothing can be changed in Allah’s long since predestined Plan. - and to forgive means to change the predestination/Plan. (You of course may claim that also the forgiving was predestined, but then it is not forgiving any more, but theater). To claim the opposite just is mysticism, not religion.

We further quote 67/9c: "(Non-Muslims said*): '- - - ye (Muslims*) are in nothing but an egregious delusion". As for the Quran, all the mistaken facts and other errors, the contradictions, the low quality of the book as literature (except the linguistics - good because of polished for some 250 years afterwards), the unclear language, etc. prove with mathematical certainty that the book is not from any god. As for Allah he of course could have existed in spite of the fact that the Quran is a made up book - made up by dark forces, a mental illness (TLA - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy), or by humans (the only remaining alternatives). But when you add Allah's background - he originally was the pagan god al-Lah which Muhammad simply dressed up, and without the slightest proof claimed was the real god and the only god. Then you add Muhammad himself - a man who wanted respect and power, not to mention riches for more power - and women - and a man who did not hide that he believed in the use of dishonesty to reach a goal (he lied even in the Quran - f.x. the "explanation" that nobody would believe anyhow, even if Allah proved himself by making some miracles; Muhammad was too intelligent and knew too much about people to believe in that claim himself. And there was al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth), etc., even though they were not formalized until later. And not to forget "War is deceit - war is betrayal", and "break your word/promise/oat if that gives a better result - pay expiation later if necessary". (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is "The Religion of Honesty".)

Add this and add to Muhammad's unreliability and low morality (easy to see in the Quran if you skip the glorifications and read the reality) the fact that neither Muhammad, nor Allah ever was able to prove anything at all of any essence concerning Islam or Allah, add the fact that Allah has not manifested himself one single time neither during the life of Muhammad, nor before, and nor afterwards, manifested or proved himself in any way - numbers of claims, but not one single proved case. The only place Allah ever manifested himself, was in the mouth of Muhammad. Add the fact that both science and even more so Islam (they have searched harder) have delivered so strong circumstantial and empirical proofs for that the Bible is not falsified, that it practically is a mathematical proof (45ooo old scriptures : 0 proved falsification in reality is a mathematical proof) - and that thus Allah's claimed history disappears, as he is not the same god as Yahweh (the teachings and everything are fundamentally and morally too different) - yes, not only disappears, but are proved to be made up and wrong.

Add the fact that Jesus' acceptance of OT as genuine, both to Christians and Muslims and most historians and Jews prove that OT was not falsified at his time, and then in case not falsified until after 33 AD, + add the Qumran scrolls to this. Except for minor detail differences normal for handwritten manuscripts, they are identical to today's OT. They are from 150-50 BC, and thus the same OT as Jesus used. Together this proves that even the OT is not falsified. The Quran's never documented claim also here is wrong.

Add all this, and you end up with a probability for Allah's existence far below one to a million. The circumstantial and empirical proofs for that he does not exist, are so strong that it practically is a mathematical certainty. And Jesus + the Qumran scrolls are a full 100% proof alone, for that much is seriously wrong in the Quran.

Then finally add the Muhammad's and Islam's partly immoral moral code, their partly unethical ethical code, their very immoral code of war and terror, their code for dishonesty, betrayal, etc., their partly unjust judicial code, their political code (apartheid/fascism/Nazism), and the Quran's cultural code (f.x. knowledge = knowledge related to Islam only), you end up with such a strong empirical proofs proof for that if Allah after all exists, he is no good and/or benevolent god, that also these in practice are so strong that they have to be classified together with mathematical proofs in strength and reliability.

Combine all this and there just is one conclusion possible: The chances for that this claimed god can forgive, by far is less than one to a million. (And the same goes for that he f.x. can punish or reward or for that prayers to him can have any effect - for the same reasons: Even if the infinitesimal chance for that he exists should happen to be a reality, his predestined Plan cannot be changed.)

And to what paradise does a religion built on a made up book - in worst case made up by dark forces - and worshipping a god which does not exist, or at best is the pagan, dressed up and malevolent god al-Lah, lead?

Or to what Hell if there somewhere exists a real god Muslims are prohibited from looking for?

The bottom line is that the Quran provably is a made up book, and no Allah has ever or in any way proved even his existence. Or his power to forgive or anything else.

009 2/192: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

010 2/199b: "- - - ask for Allah's forgiveness". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god, none of which is proved.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

011 2/199c: "For Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". See 2/299b just above.

012 2/199d: "For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 2/2b above.

013 2/218g: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

014 2/225b: "- - - He (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nothing unless he really exists and in addition is a god - none of which is ever proved.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

015 2/226c: "- - - He (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nothing unless he really exists and in addition is a god - none of which is ever proved.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

016 2/235c: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nothing if he for one thing does not exist, and for another he in addition to existing he has to be a god. None of these is proved.

017 2/263: "- - - He (Allah*) is Most Forbearing". See 1/1a above.

019 2/275b: "Those who after receiving direction from their Lord (Allah*), desist, shall be pardoned for the past - - -". Allah only can pardon if he exists and if he in addition is a god. And if he can change his Plan.

020 2/286e: "- - - (Allah*) grant us forgiveness". There only are 2 who can forgive - the victim and a god. Is Allah an existing god? - if not he cannot forgive. (And can in case his Plan be changed?)

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

021 3/16b: "- - - forgive us (Muslims*) - - -". Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and is a god. There only are Muhammad's words for both, and how reliable are Muhammad's words?

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

022 3/17c: "- - - forgiveness - - -". See 3/16b above.

023 3/31c: "If ye do love Allah, follow me (Muhammad): for Allah will love you and forgive your sins - - -". Partly strengthening his - Muhammad's - platform of power, and partly pep-talk - including a promise which was very cheap for Muhammad, especially if Allah does not exist.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

024 3/89c: "- - - verily Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See 1/1a above.

###025 3/129c: "He (Allah*) forgiveth whom He pleaseth - - -". Here is one of the really deep differences between the Quran and NT: Allah forgives whom he pleases, whereas Yahweh according to the Bible forgives each and everyone who honestly regrets and tries to live a better life. The same god? It is not even a silly question.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

026 3/129e: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

027 3/133a: "- - - forgiveness from your Lord (Allah*) - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god. There is no clear indication - not to mention proof - for any of those two necessities.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

028 3/135c: "- - - who can forgive sins except Allah - - -?". Yahweh according to the Bible.

029 3/136a: "- - - forgiveness from their (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a god. Thus Allah can forgive only if he exists and if he in addition is a god - and can change his Plan.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

030 3/147a: "Our (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*)! Forgive us our sins - - -". This Allah only can do if he is not a made up god in a made up book - a made up god can forgive nothing - and a book so full of all kinds of errors is not from any god.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

031 3/147b: "Our (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*)! Forgive us our sins - - -". Even if Allah should happen to be a god, he cannot forgive if that is contra to his claimed predestined Plan - the prayer then is a waste of time and effort. And if he has predestined forgiving and put it into his Plan long ago, prayer is not necessary as forgiving already is decided. If predestination is true like the Quran claims many times, prayer never has an effect in Islam - a fact strongly contradicting the Quran's never documented claims.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

032 3/152i: "- - - He (Allah*) forgave you (Muslims*) - - -". As mentioned before, Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god. And can change his Plan.

##033 3/157b: “And if ye are slain, or die, in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass”. Nearly no matter how bad a man (nothing is said about women) you have been, to be killed for Allah, is the sure way to go to Paradise. A mighty - and cheap - way to get warriors.

The old Vikings “knew” that if they were killed in battle, they went to Valhalla - that made them ferocious warriors. In Islam the sure way to Paradise with its lazy luxury life and plenty of women, had and has the same effect.

There are two questions, though: Who decides which wars are wanted by Allah? - if you look at history, it seems that a lot of the wars Muslims have fought, in reality were for wealth and power, but mostly they all the same have been declared Holy Wars, a few times even by both sides it seems, when both parts were Muslims. And: What if the Quran is invented or not telling the full truth? - all the mistakes and contradictions, etc. in the book make one wonder (or stronger). At least no god makes such a quality book. If the Quran is not from a god, this promise of Paradise also is not true.

In the wars between Sunni and Shi’ia and in power struggles among leaders, a lot of warriors have been cheated - both parts in a war between Muslims cannot be fighting for Allah and the “right” belief, but all warriors on both sides often were told they fought against enemies of Allah. If at least one part was right, the warriors from the opposite part had a rude awakening in Hell, even if they were told and believed they were fighting enemies of Allah. Not to mention when all was a struggle for power among leaders, and Allah did not agree at all to that any of them were fighting for him - they only were sinning by killing fellow Muslims “without a good reason”, which is a grave sin worthy of Hell.

And even worse: If the Quran is made up or does not tell the truth on this point, no comment is necessary. Especially not if there exists another, true religion somewhere - a religion Muslims are prohibited to look for. Where will the Muslims end in case, if there is a next life?

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

034 3/159c: "- - - ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them (some sinners*) - - -". But to what avail if everything is predestined by Allah long time ago like the Quran states many places? - predestined in accordance with Allah's Plan which nothing and no-one can change, if the Quran tells the truth. There are too many points in the Quran where the logic breaks down - even central and serious points like this. If everything is predestined by Allah long time ago, praying for help or something simply has no meaning, as Allah's Plan is unchangeable. And there are more places in the Quran where the logic is as hopeless. No omniscient god stumbles around like this.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

035 4/23d: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful - - -". Read 1/1a above and see if you agree.

036 4/25l: "And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above and see if you agree.

037 4/43h: "- - - Allah doth blot out sins and forgive - - -". Not unless he exists and is a god, and if he behaves like described in the Quran - and if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about this.

Another point is: Can Allah forgive? To forgive in case means to change his predestined Plan, and to change that Plan is impossible according to several verses in the Quran.

038 4/48a: “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him, - - -.” See 2/255a and 6/106b above, and 25/18a below.

Another point is: Can Allah forgive? To forgive in case means to change his predestined Plan, and to change that Plan is impossible according to several verses in the Quran. Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

And the claim contradicts at least this one:

  1. 4/153: “Yet they (Moses’ Jews*) worshiped the (gold*) calf - - - even so We (Allah*) forgave them - - -“ – which he said he would not/never do in 4/48.

039 4/64g: "- - - asked Allah's forgiveness - - -". To what avail is such a request if it is true that Allah predestines everything according to his unchangeable Plan? As everything is predestined according to an unchangeable Plan, prayers can have no effect - the Plan like said is unchangeable.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

Or is this one more of the many contradictions in the Quran? - a most serious one even?

Also see 4/43h - and 2/187d - above.

040 4/64h: "- - - asked Allah's forgiveness - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and a god. Thus in cases where Allah - if he exists - is not the victim, he cannot forgive unless he is a real god.

041 4/96c: "For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

042 4/99a: "- - - forgive - - -". Allah can forgive only if he exists and if he is a real god - and perhaps not even then; see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

043 4/99b: "- - - Allah doth blot out (sins) again and again". This he can do only if he exists and if he really is a god - there only is the words of a not much reliable man for both, and a man who had much to gain from making people believe that this claimed god existed. Also see 4/43k and 4/64g

044 4/100h: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

045 4/106b: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

046 4/116a: “Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this - - -.” This in reality is identical to 4/48a-f above. See this. Also see 25/18a below. As for forgiving see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

047 4/129b: "- - - Allah (is*) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

048 4/137c: "- - - Allah will not forgive - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a god. Thus Allah cannot forgive unless he is a god - and of course not unless he exists. But perhaps he not even then can forgive - see 2/187 and 67/9c above.

049 4/149d: "- - - Allah doth blot out (sins) - - -". This only is possible if he exists and is a real god.

050 4/152g: "- - - Allah (is*) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

051 4/153j: "- - - even so We (Allah*) forgave them (the people of Moses*) - - -". The problem of Yahweh contra Allah aside: According to the Bible the god forgave them, but for a price (2. Mos. 32/27-27 and 32/35).

052 4/168d: "- - - Allah will not forgive - - -". Allah simply cannot forgive unless he exists and in addition is a god, neither of which is proved. Muhammad was not able to prove anything at all concerning central points in his new religion. Claims based on nothing is a hallmark of cheats, swindlers and deceivers - was Muhammad a such one?

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

053 5/3n: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

054 5/9d: "- - - hath Allah promised forgiveness - - -". Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and in addition is a god. But also see 2/187d and 67/9c above and 5/9f below.

055 5/18f: "He (Allah*) forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punish whom He pleaseth". Whereas the Christian god according to the Bible forgives anyone who regrets honestly and tries to make amends, and punishes only those who deserve it. The same god? Guess twice.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

056 5/34b "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

057 5/39a: "- - - Allah turneth to him (a repenting sinner*) in forgiveness - - -". Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and in addition is a real god.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

058 5/39b: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

059 5/40e: "He (Allah*) punisheth whom He pleaseth, and He forgiveth whom He pleaseth - - -". If you think the world is unjust, remember that it is Allah in his unfathomable wisdom that runs it - and accept that Allah is just even if you do not understand it.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

060 5/40g: "He (Allah*) forgiveth - - -". See 5/39a above. Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

061 5/45a: "We ordered for them: 'Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal'" This is approximately what the OT says - and the Quran is even more specific as it recons different values for different lives: "Free man for free man, woman for woman (half value*), slave for slave (no human value, only economic one*)". The "turn the other cheek" from NT and its New Covenant (f.x. Luke 22/20 and other places in NT) you never find in the Quran, or mentioned by Muslims (you may forgive, but that is based on quite another moral idea). Why - if the gods had been the same one, like the Quran claims - should that god have gone from the on this point rather harsh law of Moses (which was much milder than the customs for revenge before that time, though), to mildness in the NT and its New Covenant, and then back to something at least - at least - as harsh as the laws of Moses?

062 5/74b: "- - - and seek Allah's forgiveness - - -". Only the victim or a deity - or one with permission from such ones - can forgive. As Jews and Christians did not believe Allah was a real god, they simply did not - and do not - believe he could/can forgive.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

063 5/74d: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1b.

064 5/101e: "Allah will forgive - - -". Allah only has the power to forgive if he exists and if he in case is a real god.

As for Allah forgiving: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

065 5/101f: "- - - Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." See 1/1a above.

066 6/54f: "- - - He (Allah*) is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

067 6/145f: "- - - (Allah*) is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

068 6/165e: "- - - He (Allah*) is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

069 7/155i: "- - - Thou (claimed to be Allah*) art the best of those who forgive". See 1/1a above.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

070 7/161b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall forgive you (Muslims*) your faults - - -". There only are two who can forgive something: The victim and a god. Is Allah a god - - - if he exists? At least his claimed words, the Quran, is from no god - too much is wrong.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

071 7/167b: "- - - He (Allah*) is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

072 8/38c: "- - - their (sinners'/non-Muslims'*) past will be forgiven them - - -". This only is possible if Allah is an existing god, and in addition a benevolent and forgiving god. (In spite of all big and glorious words, f.x. 1/1a above indicates that he - if he exists - is not much forgiving. And remember that demands and deeds are much more reliable than cheap, big words. To find the real truth in a piece of propaganda, skip the glorious words and read the demands and deeds, etc.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

073 8/69e: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

074 8/70d: "- - - He (Allah*) will forgive you (Muhammad's victims*) - - -". But Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god. And even then it is an open question if he can forgive, because forgiving means to change his predestined Plan, which the Quran several places states that nobody and nothing can change. But here it is expected that your wish for forgiving will change his Plan, which like said it impossibly can do.

075 8/70e: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

*076 9/21a: “Their (terrorists/warriors*) Lord (Allah*) doth give them glad tidings of a Mercy (that terrorists/warriors for Allah are forgiven practically any sin*) from Himself (from Allah personally*), of His good pleasure (from the fighting and murdering they have done for the good and kind and benevolent god*), and the Gardens for them, wherein are delights (earth-like riches, luxury and women*) that endures”. The ultimate pep talk for war, terror and murder? In the name of a presumably peaceful religion and a kind and good god?

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

077 9/27b: "- - - Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

078 9/66b: “If We (Allah*) pardons some of you (apostates from Islam*) - - -.” To leave Islam is one of the deadly sins, and to be pardoned without regretting deeply is impossible. Contradicted by a number of the verses under 2/256 - see this. More about this verse under verse 9/5 in the chapter: Abrogations in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran".

(Contradicts many verses – at least 10 contradictions).

As for pardoning: Even if Allah should happen to exist and be a god - and a god correctly described among all the errors in the Quran - is it possible for him to pardon anybody? It in case will mean that his predestined Plan will have to be changed, and that is impossible according to several clear statements in the Quran.

079 9/80a: "Whether thou (Muhammad*) ask for their forgiveness, or not (their sin is unforgivable): if you ask seventy times for their forgiveness, Allah will not forgive them - - -." Some contrast to the NT: There it is no sin which is unforgivable if there is honest regret and remorse. And Jesus said: "You shall forgive seventy times seven times" (if there is real regret and remorse). The same god? - prophets in the same line of traditions? Hardly, to use an understatement.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

080 9/99i: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". If Allah made the surahs from Medina, he is very far from most merciful. Destroying lives and communities, torture, rape, enslavement, murder, mass murder, apartheid and suppression and more - little mercy.

081 9/102c: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

082 9/104a: "Know they (people*) not that Allah doth accept repentance - - -". But what is the idea if Allah already has predestined everything according to his unchangeable Plan? If the Plan and the predestinations are unchangeable and made eons before, like the Quran states, also repentance cannot have any effect. See 9/103a above.

083 10/107e: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Please read the 22+ surahs from Medina, and see if you are able to believe this afterwards - it is impossible, except for some of those who are unable to see other humans than "we, the winners". Also see 1/1a above.

084 11/3a: "- - - See ye (Muslims*) forgiveness from your Lord (Allah*) - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god (not f.x. from the dark forces).

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

085 11/3b: "- - - turn to Him (Allah*) in repentance - - -". In addition to 11/2a just above: To what avail if it is true what the Quran states again and again that Allah predestines everything, and the predestinations are made according to an unchangeable Plan - a Plan nobody and nothing can change?

086 11/41c: "- - - (Allah*) is, be sure, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." See 1/1a above.

087 11/52a: "Ask forgiveness from your (peoples'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he for one thing exists and for another is a god (not f.x. something from the dark forces).

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

088 11/61f: "- - - ask forgiveness of Him (Allah*) - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and the god. Is Allah a god? - does he even exist, god or not? There only is the claim from a man with a doubtful reliability, but with a wish for power.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

089 11/61g: "- - - ask forgiveness of Him (Allah*), and turn to Him (in repentance) - - -". Why? - if Allah has predestined everything long before according to an Unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states absolutely several places, this just is a waste of time and effort.

090 11/90a: "But ask forgiveness of your Lord (Allah*) - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god (if he is from the dark forces, it is even less likely "forgiveness" from him is valid).

091 12/53c: "- - -(Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

092 13/6f: "But verily thy (people's*) Lord (Allah*) is full of forgiveness for mankind - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See 1/1a above. Also Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and is a god.

093 14/36b: "(Allah is*) Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See the comment to f.x. 1/1a and 14/8b above.

094 14/41a: "- - - Thy (here indicated Allah*) Forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nothing unless he exists and is a god.

095 15/49a: "I (Allah*) am indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina and see if you afterwards agree to this claim.

096 16/18c: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Please read the surahs from Medina - or perhaps some of his (?) sharia laws - and see if you afterwards agree. Also see 1/1a above.

097 16/110f: "- - - (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." See 1/1a above.

098 16/18c: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Please read the surahs from Medina - or perhaps some of his (?) sharia laws - and see if you afterwards agree. Also see 1/1a above.

099 17/44g: "(Allah*)is Oft-Forbearing, Most Forgiving!" Please read the surahs from Medina and the most unjust of his (?) sharia laws and see if you agree. That a claim is repeated many times, does not make it true - though it may make people start believing it; just ask the Nazi Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels: "Repeat a lie often enough, and people will start believing it."

100 18/58a: "(Allah*) is Most Forgiving - - -." He can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

101 18/58a: "(Allah*) is Most Forgiving - - -." He can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

102 18/58b: "(Allah*) is Most Forgiving - - -." Please read the surahs from Medina - that means the youngest ones and thus the ones little abrogated (= where little is made invalid) and the most unjust parts of the sharia laws, and see if you agree.

103 19/47b; "- - - I (Abraham*) will pray to my lord (here indicated Allah*) for thy (his father's*) forgiveness - - -". Why? - if Allah predestines everything long before, and does so according to a Plan which nobody and nothing can change, like the Quran states many places, prayers have no meaning in Islam, as they cannot have any effect. A question Muslims never touch.

104 20/73b: "- - - may He (Allah*) forgive us (the magicians of Ramses II*) our faults - - -". All the other things aside; Allah only can forgive if he exists and is a real god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

105 20/82b: "- - - I (Allah*) am (also) He that forgives - - -". This Allah only can do if he exists and is a god (or the victim for the sin).

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

106 22/60e: "- - - Allah is One that blots out (forgives*) (sins) - - -". Frequently claimed, never reliably documented. Also possible only if Allah exists and is a major god.

107 24/22b: "For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See 1/1a above.

108 24/62g: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See f.x. 1/1a above.

109 25/6e: "- - - He (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". Not entirely so if he made the surahs from Medina, or the harsh part of Islam's (im)moral code, or the most unjust laws within sharia,

110 25/70d: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina + the most unjust ones of the sharia laws and see if you agree. Honestly, when there is a difference between what someone says and what he/she demands or does, we always believe the demands and the deeds - words are too cheap in comparison. At least he is not the most merciful - compare f.x. to the god of Jesus.

##We may add that the Quran many places talks about natural phenomena, and says Allah makes it or causes it. This needs solid proofs just like claims about mercy etc., as it is things which happens by itself from physical laws - and especially since words and statements are very cheap, and even more so AS ANY PRIEST IN ANY RELIGION CAN SAY JUST THE SAME ABOUT HIS GOD(S) FREE OF CHARGE as long as he (like Muhammad) can evade all requests for proofs) - words are that cheap. Strong claims demand strong proofs, scientists say, and Muhammad did not prove one single of these statements or claims. Not one single. And not one of his other central claims.

111 27/11f: "- - - I (Allah*) am Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

112 27/11g: "- - - I (Allah*) am Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, and the most immoral laws from sharia, and see if you agree afterwards.

113 27/46c: "- - - ask Allah for forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

114 28/16a: "So (Allah) forgave him (Moses) - - -". There only are two who can forgive: The victim and a god. Thus this sentence only can be true if Allah exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

015 28/16b: "- - - He (Allah*) is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". See f.x. 27/30b above.

116 33/35f: "- - - for them (good Muslims*) has Allah prepared forgiveness - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god (well, may be also if he belongs to the dark forces, but it is questionable what value the forgiveness has in case).

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

117 33/50j: "And Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

118 33/71a: ""That He (Allah*) may make your conduct whole and sound and forgive you your sins - - -". This only is possible if Allah exists and really is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

119 33/73e: "- - - Allah is oft-Forgiving, - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

120 34/2b: "- - - He (Allah*) is the Most Merciful, the Oft-Forgiving". Please read:

  1. The surahs from Medina - they are youngest and abrogate much from the Mecca surahs.
  2. The immoral parts of the Muslim codex of moral.
  3. The immoral and/or unjust parts of the sharia laws.
  4.  

If you still agree to the claim above, please contact a psychologist - you need it.

121 34/4e: "- - - for such is Forgiveness - - -". There are just two who can forgive: The victim and a real god. Does Allah exist, and is he in case a god? - there are many claims, but not the smallest proof.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

122 34/15f: "- - - a Lord (Allah*) Oft-Forgiving - - -". See 1/1a above. Also Allah can forgive none unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

123 38/66e: "(Allah is*) forgiving again and again". There only are 2 who can forgive - the victim and a god. This claim only can be true if Allah exists and is a god.

124 39/5h: "He (Allah*) Who forgives again and again - - -". There only are 2 who can forgive, the victim and a god. Then this quote only is true if Allah exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

125 39/53e: "- - - for Allah forgives all sins - - -". There only are 2 who can forgive a sin; the victim and a god. For this sentence to be true, Allah has to exist and to be a god, neither of which is ever proved. There only are the words of Muhammad, and if you omit the glorifying words and just look for the realities, you also in all the central Islamic literature will see that Muhammad had doubtful moral, ethics and reliability.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

126 40/3a: "(Allah*) forgiveth Sins - - -". Only 2 can forgive sins - the victim and a god. This sentence is not true unless Allah exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

127 40/42f: "- - - (Allah*) forgives again and again!" This only is possible if Allah exists and is a god - only a god (and the victim) can forgive.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

128 40/55g: "- - - ask forgiveness - - -". Allah cannot forgive unless he exists and in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

129 41/6e: "- - - ask for His (Allah's*) Forgiveness". Allah can forgive only if he exists and only if he in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

130 41/32c: "- - - One (Allah*) Who is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

131 41/43b: "- - - Forgiveness - - -": Allah only can forgive if he exists and in addition is a god.

132 42/5e: "- - - pray (to Allah*) for forgiveness - - -". Only 2 can forgive - the victim and a god. Allah thus only can forgive if he exists and if he in addition is a god, except in the cases where he is the victim - - - if he exists.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

133 42/5g: "- - - Allah is He, the Oft-Forgiving - - -". See 42/5b above.

134 42/5h: "- - - Allah is He, the oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Islamic moral code, and the unjust/immoral parts of the sharia laws, and see if you agree. When grim realities is covered by nice words, the realities always are more reliable than cheap words and claims.

135 42:25a: "He (Allah*) is the One that accepts repentance - - -". This only may be true if he exists and is a god.

136 42/25c: "- - - (Allah*) forgives sins - - -". This only is true if he exists and is a god - if not he cannot forgive sins.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

137 42/30e: "- - - He (Allah*) grants forgiveness". Only 2 can forgive; the victim and a god. Is Allah a god - if he exists?

138 42/34c: "- - - much doth He (Allah*) forgive". This only may be - may be - true if he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

139 46/8f: "And He (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive exactly nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

140 46/31g: "He (Allah*) will forgive you (people*) your faults - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a god. Is Allah a god - if he exists? There only is a claim from a man with dubious moral, but a liking for power, wealth for bribes, and for women, which tells this.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

141 47/34c: "- - - Allah will not forgive them (non-Muslims*)". Allah can neither forgive nor not forgive unless he exists and in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

142 48/2a: "- - - Allah may forgive - - -". Allah cannot forgive unless he for one thing exists and for another in addition is a god, none of which is proved - there only are the claims of a not too reliable and moral man who on top of all wanted a platform of power.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

######143 48/2b: "- - - Allah may forgive thee (Muhammad) thy faults of the past and those to follow". A dogma in Islam is that Muhammad was forgiven all his sins during his life, also the ones he at each point of time had not yet committed. Well, why then not rape a woman or two or murder some opponents (like he did)?

If the old books are reliable on this point, this is one of the proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad were not like. According to the books Jesus was without sins, whereas Muhammad had to be forgiven his - often horrible - sins. And he was not forgiven them, unless Allah exists and is a god able to and willing to forgive Muhammad's often horrible sins - extra horrible if they were not made on the order of a god. Stealing, lying, extortion, rape, torture, murder, mass murder, etc. And if there is a next life: Teaching a religion not from any god - no god makes a book of a quality like the Quran.

4 48/11c: "- - - do thou (Muhammad*) ask forgiveness (from Allah*) for us". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

146 48/14d: "He (Allah*) forgives whom He wills - - -". Only 2 can forgive: The victim and a5god. Is Allah a god - - - if he exists? Often claimed, never proved, often "explained" away.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

146 49/3f: "- - - Forgiveness - - -". Impossible for Allah to grant, unless he exists and is a god - none of which Muhammad was able to prove.

147 49/5a: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah could and can forgiven nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

148 49/14i: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

149 57/20e: "- - - Forgiveness from Allah - - -". Just for the record: Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and in addition is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

150 58/2c: "- - - truly Allah is the one who blots out (sins) - - -". This he only can do if he exists and if he is a god.

151 61/12b: "- - - forgive - - -". Allah can forgive nobody, unless he exists and is a god.

152 61/12d: “(If you go to war and/or are killed for Muhammad*) He (Allah*) will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of eternity - - -.” Try to find something even remotely similar to this in the NT!! The same god? Make a bet.

153 63/6b: "Allah will not forgive them (big sinners*)". See "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14) or "the 11. hour" in NT (f.x. Matt. 20/8-13). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same religion? If you are able to believe it, then you deserve to believe it.

154 64/17b: “If you loan to Allah, a beautiful loan (offer or give your life in war for Muhammad (Allah?)*), He will double it to your (credit), and he will grant you Forgiveness - - -“. Very similar thinking to the worst medieval excesses made by the Roman Catholic Church once upon a time. But good slogans for recruiting warriors – and money.

There is a lot more like this in the Quran - much of it just with other words. Add this to all the other pep talk for warriors in the book, and you get something that should never be forgotten by non-Muslims - not even by USA.

And of course there is the problem of never knowing who the few are who will turn terrorists, and the not few who are willing to help them - with money at least. The 5. column. Some 30% of Muslims at least have sympathy for or “understand why” terrorists are at work, international polls show - more and much more in some places.

All the same: Never forget that the majority of Muslims absolutely do not want anything but peace and a quiet family life. The ideology of hate and war and suppression is detestable, but not so all the ones of the Muslims who are normal people.

It is too late to keep Islam at a distance - too many have emigrated to the west. The absolute majority have moved vest for economical reasons, but for Muslims to move into “enemy” territory and then later to try to take control, is a strategy of war frequently advocated in the Quran. That f.x. was what happened in Indonesia. Besides a scattered few may move west because of or partly because of that ideology - and it only takes a few to wreak havoc. May be one should not make the problem bigger, until we see how the ones already here will develop - how the integration and the culture will develop. Though Paris and other places may be sinister warnings.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

155 64/17c: “If you loan to Allah, a beautiful loan (normally = go to war or sometimes help to finance it), He will double it to your (credit), and he will grant you Forgiveness - - -“. Strongly contradicted by the Bible - one of the at least 200% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not even in the same world morally speaking. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

156 67/2d: "- - - He (Allah is*) - - - Oft-Forgiving". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

157 71/4a: "So He (Allah*) may forgive - - -". There only are 2 who can forgive: The victim and a god. This thus only can be true if Allah exists and in addition is a god (not f.x. something from dark forces pretending to be a god, like parts of the Quran and parts of its moral code may indicate).

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

158 74/56d: "He (Allah*) is - - - the Lord of Forgiveness". There only are 2 who can forgive - the victim and a god. For this to be true, Allah has to exist and in addition to be a major god (not f.x. someone from the dark forces masquerading - and cheating Muhammad - as a god). But also see 1/1a above.

As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.

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