Allah in the Quran, Chapter 37

 

Chapter 37

SCIENTIFIC NONSENSE AS "PROOFS" OR "INFORMATION"

 

(Some samples only.)

001 Below you will find some samples of scientific nonsense. Read the Quran and you will find more - f.x. ants speaking coherently in a way possible for Solomon to hear, or the angel Gabriel with 600 wings (he would fall like a stone because of turbulence). No god and hardly any devil would serve things like this - they had to know they would be found out sooner or later and lose their credibility. Besides: Why tell fairy tales when he/they as easily could tell the truth and give Islam proofs when science ripened? Then who made the Quran?

####### Another - and serious - point is that to "explain" that the Quran means something different from what it really says, is to corrupt it. Plus it is to claim that you are better to explain what the god "really meant" than the god himself. (But is it possible for a human to be cleverer than an omniscient god?)

Also: What is sure, is that no god ever made a holy book as full of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, unclear language, etc. like the Quran. ##### Besides: Which one of the 20-30 known versions accepted by Islam of the Quran (see 15/9c) - if any - is in case the correct one?

Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable is that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?

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002 2/116d: “(And on earth:) - - - everything renders worship to Him (Allah*).” From other places in the Quran one knows that “everything” is meant literally – every living being and all inanimate things. As one never observes any other living beings, not to mention inanimate things, than Muslims worship Allah, and the nature thus shows that the claim is not true, this is one of the claims that must be deemed untrue unless Islam proves it. Proves, not only states or claims. (To quote remark A120 in Abdullah Yusuf Ali: “The Meaning of the Quran”: “- - - everything in heaven and earth celebrates the glory of Allah”. But like normal for Muslims it only is a claim – no documentation, no proof, and no real explanation).

##003 3/35b: "Imran’s wife - - -". This is an example on "honest" Muslim technique of debate, taken - unbelievably - from Muhammad Yusuf Ali, the famous translator of the Quran, in his book: "The Meaning of the Quran": "By tradition Mary's mother was called Hannah (in Latin Anna, in English Anne), and her father was called Imran. Hannah is therefore both a descendant of the priestly house of Imran (Moses' father*) and the wife of Imran." One thing is that when using traditions and legends as basis, one cannot say that something "is", only that it "may be". But the real screamers:

  1. The name of the father of Mary never in the traditions and legends was Imran. That name you only find in the Quran, and of course among the ones who take the name from the Quran - and this even more so as he mix in the Latin (and English) names. The name of Mary's father in the traditions was Jojakim or Jocim (except that Muslims have looked in the Quran and found the name Imran and made a new “tradition” from that). Further comments not necessary - just make your own conclusions about how reliable Muslims - even outstanding, learned ones like Mr. Ali - sometimes may be, and how reliable Muslim arguments and "facts" sometimes are. "Use al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie*), Kitman (the lawful half-truth*) and even deception and broken oaths to forward or defend the Religion of Truth".) As you understand: When we base most of our writings on Islamic sources, we often run into the problem that everything has to be checked, because even claimed "facts" too often are incorrect.
  2. Modern science agree on that this is a real mistake from Muhammad, likely caused by the fact that in Arab both Mary and Miriam (Moses’ sister) are written Maryam, and because of this Muhammad thought it was the same woman.
  3. The priests in Israel all were from the Levi tribe. We have not been able to find any tradition for that Mary's mother was from that tribe. Moses was from the tribe of Levi, but we have found no tradition for that Mary's mother was a descendant of Moses (it is extremely unlikely it had not been mentioned in the Bible, if that was the case). We also have found no tradition for that Moses' father, Imran, was a priest. (The tradition that the priests should be from the Levi tribe was started after the Exodus from Egypt, when Moses already was an old man - 80+ years if the Bible has correct numbers.)

004 3/37g: "- - - her (Mary's*) chamber - - -". The Quran indicates that this took place in the Temple (in Jerusalem). But according to Mosaic (Jewish) law a female child could not be devoted to service in the Temple - only men served there. And there is one more reason for why this claim is impossible: ONLY members of the Levi tribe served in the Temple, whereas Mary was a descendant of David, which means she was from the Judah tribe. Muslim scholars know this, but never tell their audiences that the Quran here is wrong. Even A. Yusuf Ali knew it - he mentions it in comment 378 in his book "The Meaning of the Holy Quran". But even this according to Islam perhaps very best translator of the Quran, and a learned man, makes no remark about it in his edition/translation of "the Holy Quran". "It is better to believe than to face a destroying truth". We may add that the story of Mary serving in the Temple is taken from apocryphal - made up - sources, and even Islam knows this (see comment 379 in Yusuf Ali: "The Meaning of the Holy Quran", but they keep quiet about it. We quote from YA379: "Some apocryphal Christian writings say that she was brought up in the Temple to the age of twelve like a dove, and fed by the angels". (It is symptomatic for some Islamic literature that he uses the story even if it is an apocryphal one, and even he - a top Muslim scholar - does not mention that "apocryphal" mostly means "a made up story" even though most learned Muslims do know this, and thus let the readers believe it is "bona fide" information - there were many such made up stories and legends, just like there were lots of made up Hadiths, and not a few of them are used by Muslims as it they were true stories. This fact tells not a little about Muslim disputants and about Islam, which does not discourage the use of untrue arguments. We at least have never seen any Islamic try to make an end to this kind of dishonesty. Also see 3/44a below.

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####005 6/149a: (A6/141 – in 2008 edition 6/143): “With Allah is the argument that reaches home (= the decisive arguments = it is Allah who decides*) - - - ". Predestination again - because Allah long since has decided everything according to his Plan. And man's claimed free will?

“The Message of the Quran” has this comment to verse 6/149:

“In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true".

Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but for blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness.

IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE.

Predestination contra man’s free will actually is a version of “the Time Travel Paradox”, which is long since proved unsolvable. (In short: The king is murdered. A FTL-message (FTL = Faster Than Light) is sent to a star-ship off Sirius. FTL according to Einstein moves backwards in time, and arrives earlier than it was sent. The ship sends a warning to the king, and as it uses FTL, the warning arrives before the murder and the king avoids the murderer. Because of that no message is sent to the ship, which sends no warning to the king - and the king is murdered. The a FTL message is sent to the ship - - - -".) There is no way Allah can even be fully clairvoyant, not to mention decide everything on beforehand, and man at the same time have free will. (More in the chapter about predestination.)

Another proof for that there are things in the non-material parts of life which are impossible even for an omnipotent and omniscient god: Add one mathematical 1 to another mathematical 1. The only possible answer even for a god is the mathematical 2. There simply are things not possible even for gods. And to combine full predestination with even a tiny part of free will for man, is one of them - the laws of chaos inexorably prohibit it. A god may direct this and that to happen, but full predestination or full precognition is not possible if it is possible for man to change his mind, even if he can change it only now and then.

PREDESTINATION ALSO MAKES PRAYERS MEANINGLESS: IF ALLAH HAS PREDESTINED EVERYTHING, PRAYERS CAN CHANGE EXACTLY NOTHING. (And similar for forgiving.)

This point perhaps is the pinnacle in Islam's ability to flee even from facts they see themselves, its inability to face hard facts even when they see them, and its ability and willingness to be blind and to overlook even the strongest facts and proofs for that things are very wrong in the Quran and thus with Muhammad and in Islam. Central claims which cannot be true, are accepted in pure superstition.

"Our fathers told us and our neighbors and mullahs tell us this is true, and then it must be true".

"We built our lives on this belief - it has to be true because it is too difficult for me to face the alternative".

You meet this lack of moral backbone and the ability in Islam and in Muslims to overlook or explain away even the strongest facts, at every point in the Quran where there are mistakes, contradictions or other proofs for that something is wrong in the book, and thus with Muhammad and with his religion - proofs they are unable to face for that Islam as told in the Quran is not a religion, but a superstition.

To be able to accept hundreds and more cases of explaining away often clearly wrong facts and other wrong points without starting to check or at least ask questions, takes a lot of mental zombiness.

Total predestination for Allah and even a smithereen of free will for man are two claims which are mutually prohibiting/excluding each other. Maximum one of them can be true. The claim is logical and scientific nonsense.

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006 7/78b: “So the earthquake took them (the people of Thamud*) unawares, and they lay prostrate (= dead*) in their homes in the morning”. Except that this is contradicted by:

  1. 11/67: “The (mighty) Blast overtook the wrongdoers (the people of Thamud*), and they lay prostrate in their homes in the morning - - -.” A blast sounds like something from f.x. an explosion.
  2. 69/5: “But the Thamud – they were destroyed by a terrible Storm of thunder and lightning”. You meet Muslims referring to the storms that “naturally follow earthquakes”. That is wrong – there is no – no – connection between earthquakes and storms, as they are caused by entirely different mechanisms. (To continue the song about “correcting” the Quran: Mr. Muhammad Asad in “The Message of) the Quran” has quietly and without comments changed 69/5 from “storm and lightning” to “earthquake”. An “al-Taqiyya” (lawful lie)? Al-Taqiyya is not only permitted, but ordered if necessary to defend or promote the religion.

2 contradictions. And do you understand why we have to be careful and check everything when we use Islamic sources?

Comment YA2004 to 15/83 where they were killed by a mighty blast: "The mighty rumbling noise and wind accompanying an earthquake". There is no wind (and no blast, thunder or lightning) accompanying earthquakes - the mechanisms producing wind or lightning are totally different, a fact even educated Muslim scholars know, but all the same they produces arguments like this. Scientific nonsense and intellectual dishonesty - there is a bit much of this in Islam. And in a religion using dishonesty/lies, how much is true of their arguments? - and of their religion?

#####The reason for this dishonesty, is that it is believed that "the people of the rocky tract" just is another name of the Thamud tribe. And in 7/78 the Thamuds were killed by an earthquake. 11/67, 15/83, and 54/31 they were killed by a mighty blast. And in 69/5 they were killed by " terrible Storm of thunder and lightning!". Voila!: Make wind/blast accompany earthquakes or let the noise represent a blast to hide this mistake in the Quran - but forget the thunder and lightning! But neither wind nor blasts nor thunder nor lightning is a part of an earthquake.

#####Honesty too often is not essential for Muslims and Islam. The main thing is to make the Quran and thus Islam look like they are true. But when even persons like Muhammad Yusuf Ali uses dishonesty - here an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie), how many more lies are there then in Islamic literature and argumentation? - and in the Quran and in Islam?

007 7/105d: One small "en passent" here as Muslims do not like the timing of the Exodus, and as M. Yusuf Ali makes a comment (in A1073 to this verse) "(The Jews stayed in Egypt*) perhaps two to four centuries. (Renan allows only one century).": The Bible is very clear on how long time the Jews spent in Egypt: 430 Years, and there was no reason for the Jews to falsify this number, in addition to that in spite of Islam's claims no falsification is known in the Bible, mistakes yes, falsifications no (again: Guess if Islam had screamed about it if even one documented case had been found!). But as Ramses II did not drown, Islam needs to use an earlier pharaoh where one does not know how he died - f.x. Thothmes I (ca. 1540 BC) is mentioned. But Jacob - the patriarch who took the Jews to Egypt lived around 1800 BC (if he is not fiction), or to be exact: Abraham lived - if he is not fiction - around 2ooo - 1800 BC. Jacob was his grandson, and as Abraham was old when he got Isaac (the father of Jacob) it is realistic to say Jacob lived around 1800 or perhaps a bit later. Then it is not possible to use earlier pharaohs than Ramses II if the Jews stayed 430 years. A little twist is necessary in case - and voila!: Islam says (the mentioned YA comment 1073): "- - - Israel stayed there perhaps two to four centuries." Problem solved - without any source for the estimate given. May be the 430 years in the Bible is a falsification? (but in case why?) - the standard and easy "explanation" Muhammad always used.

And there is another point here you never hear Muslims mention: According to the Bible (1. Mos. 46/27) the Jews were 80 - 90 (70 + the wives of Jacob's sons + Joseph and his family) when they settled in Egypt. The same book mentions 2 - 3 places that when they left Egypt, they were 600ooo men = something like 2.ooo.ooo included women and children. It at least theoretically is quite possible for 80-90 to become 2.ooo.ooo in 430 years, and especially so if many other slaves claimed to be Jews to get their freedom. But it is in no way possible - scientific nonsense - in 200 or 300 years (and 100 years is a joke) , and even 400 years may be unlikely - for a geometrical curve like this is, one extra generation makes a big difference. Also this makes an exodus and a pharaoh around 1500 - 1600 BC like Islam likes to claim to get rid of Ramses II, impossible.

008 7/171: “When We (Allah*) shook the Mount (Mt. Sinai*) over them (the Jews*) as if it had been a canopy, and they (the Jews*) thought it was going to fall on them - - -”. This needs strong proof from Islam, especially as it in reality is from a fable taken from the old Jewish book “Abodah Sarah”. The picture is clear: The god lifted the mountain, held it over the Jews like a canopy and shook it. All the same you meet Muslims who "forget" about the canopy and the danger that it could fall on the Jews, and claim this was an earthquake(!). "It is the one not wanting to see, who is most blind" or "The blind man you can explain things, but the man not wanting to see, also denies facts" - choose what quote you like.

*009 10/82b: “And Allah by His Words (the Quran*) prove and establish His Truth, - - -”. Actually this sentence is of no consequence here: As all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran proves the book is not from a god, Allah's words are not involved - if he exists.

But to be blunt: The sentence is nonsense, without logic, and very naive on background of the real quality of the Quran.

If we on the other hand pretend we accept the statement: How then can Muslims change Allah's words claiming they do not mean what they say - they are unclear (with hidden meaning), or are metaphors, or something - in order to explain away errors, contradictions, etc., etc. in the Quran? - likely the most used way to try to explain away such things.

If Allah's words "prove and establish His (Allah's*) Truth", the necessity of changing his words proves something entirely different.

Either Allah may prove his truth by his words - and then the words cannot be changed or given a different meaning. Or Muslims may try to explain away thing by changing the meaning of his words. Both at the same time is not possible.

And a book full of errors and worse from a god - - - - ??!!!

**010 13/2b: “Allah is He Who raised the heavens (plural and wrong*) without any pillars that ye can see: - - -”. A Muslim information organization was in ca. 2007 asked to explain this sentence. They replied not 100% politely, that anyone with an IQ of 60 or more had to understand that this meant that the pillars did not exist. The person who asked, replied that he knew the difference between non-existent and invisible - the meaning in the sentence above is “invisible” - and asked them please to give him a real explanation. They never answered.

There exist no pillars - visible or invisible. And actually the idea is ridiculous, as there exists no material heaven which needs to be kept in position - the heaven we see is just an optical illusion. Any god - even small ones - would know this, but Muhammad naturally not. Then who made the Quran?

Besides no man or animal or bird has ever banged into such an invisible pillar – and no plane collided with one. One more point of scientific nonsense in the Quran. Also see 31/10b below.

011 15/17a: “- - - We (Allah*) have guarded them (the Zodiacal Signs*) from every evil spirit accursed: - - -” According to the Quran, the stars – included the Zodiacal signs – are fastened to the lowermost of 7 heavens (material ones – they have to be, if the stars can be fastened to one of them). But jinns/bad spirits wanted to spy on the heavens, and had to be chased away by stars used as shooting stars. And then the Zodiacal signs were guarded at the same time. According to science this is utter nonsense to at least the fifth power. Any god had known – even baby ones – but Muhammad not. Then who made the Quran with all its mistaken facts, etc.?

###012 17/107a: “Say: ‘Whether you believe it or not, it is true that those who were given knowledge beforehand (= Christians and Jews mainly*), when it (the Quran*) is recited to them, fall down on their faces in humble prostration”. One word: Nonsense. Or a stronger word: Propaganda. And what is worse: The one who composed this verse knew it was a lie – which also Muhammad knew when he made or recited it. A few Jews and Christians are said to have converted by 656 AD when the Quran is said to be written, though very few if any in 621 when this surah was made, but as a general rule: Utter nonsense. Just look at the history of conflicts between Islam, Jews and Christians, not to mention all the Jews in and near Medina who rather became fugitives or were killed, than to accept Islam – f.x. the Qurayza tribe - and no more is necessary to say. You sometimes meet dishonesty like this in new, emerging religions and sects. It is a way of gaining “weight” for their statements, especially when they have few facts or proofs to show for themselves. Just one small fact that disproves this fairy tale: The 700 Jews of the Qurayza tribe - the last big Jewish tribe in Medina - could have saved their lives and possessions by becoming Muslims in time. To a man they chose not to. This verse contradicts solid historical science and knowledge. And one more fact: Remember that Muslims not only are permitted to lie to defend or forward Islam, but are urged to do it "if necessary" (al-Taqiyya, Kitman, etc. - the lawful lie and the lawful half-truth, etc.).

***013 18/86e: “- - - he (Alexander the Great*) found it (the sun*) set in a spring of murky water”. This statement - or fairy tale - deserves a series of exclamation marks - anyone who has finished primary school, knows among other these facts:

  1. The sun is too big to settle anywhere on Earth.
  2. Not to mention that it is far too big to settle in a pond - murky or not.
  3. And that if the sun ever came within a million kilometers or miles from the Earth, there would be no spring or pond - or humans - anymore.

Muhammad did not know the size or temperature of the sun – (he even seems to believe it was a flat disk which could be folded up) - but an omniscient god had known. Who made the Quran?

Muslims try to “explain” it by f.x. telling that what he saw was the reflex of a sunset in a spring. Think of the great warrior king Alexander - riding west and west and west with his men, day after day and week after week to find the place where the sun set. Then one day he hits upon one more pond - even one with dirty water. When he stands so that that dirty spring is in the straight line between him and the sun, he sees the red and yellow mirror image of the sunset in the muddy surface - a sight he has seen time and again and again before on the surfaces of ponds and springs and rivers and lakes and seas - and he hails his men: “Now we have reached our goal!! Here is where the sun sets!! Now let’s go back and tell about our great discovery“.

Believe it whoever wants.

But whoever believes it needs to see a professor of history - or a psychologist to mend his brain. (Also see 18/86a and 18/86b above.)

Besides: We know from history that Alexander never went west.

Some Muslims also try to explain that Dhu'l-Quarnayn was not Alexander the Great. For this see 18/83 in the "complete" list of mistakes.

014 18/90a: “- - - he (Alexander*) came to the rising of the sun - - -”. It is not physically possible to come to the place where the sun rises from the Earth like the Quran indicates, because it does not rise from the Earth - and if it had, both Alexander and the Earth had been rather fried. Also see 18/86a-d above. Any god had known this - then who made the Quran?

015 18/95a: “He (Alexander*) said: ’(The power) in which my Lord (Allah!!!*) has established me is better - - -”. The Quran clearly indicates that Alexander was a pious Muslim (some 950 years before Muhammad!). To make an understatement: That is wrong. Alexander was a polytheist. (Muslims sometimes try to use this mistake as a proof for that Dhu’l Quarnayn was not Alexander). Also see 18/96a, 18/96b and 18/96c below.

016 18/96a: "Bring me blocks of iron”. And he (Alexander the Great*) let build a wall of iron blocks produced by the locals straight across the valley, strong enough to be impossible for the people of Gog and Magog to get through, and tall enough to be impossible to get over even with the longest ladders.

But nowhere on the entire earth there existed that much iron blocks around 330 BC – blocks of iron the locals were asked to bring him. (Note here that 18/93 tells the wall had to cross “(a tract) between two mountains” under which mountains a people lived – the wall had to have some length to cross “a tract” big enough for a whole people to live – it took a lot of iron blocks.) Also remember that iron was expensive at that time – it took a lot of work to make it. The locals had to be very rich to have that much iron. (Relevant here - even though it is some 500 years older - may be what is said about the enormously rich king Solomon in 1. Chr. 22/3: "He provided a large amount of iron to make nails for the doors of the gateways (of the Temple in Jerusalem*) and for the fittings". For a king so rich that he reckoned his gold in tons, this was "a large amount" of iron. Alexander asked for at least some tens of thousand times as much). Contradicts historical reality (and besides the story is naïve and ridiculous – there exists no valley big enough to feed two big tribes with only one possible entrance. And even if impossible to get over, then it was possible to dig under – fire and water could get you through even rocks if you had time.)

See also 18/86a – 18/86b – 18/86c above.

**017 18/96b: “At length, when he (Alexander - or really the workers making the wall*) had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, he said, ’Blow (with your bellows)’. Then, when he had made it red as a fire - - -”. It would not be possible to make the whole of such a big wall red like fire at around 340 BC. They neither had the means - that kind of fire - nor the technology. It would be more than difficult even today. Fairy tale.

**018 18/96c: “Then, when he (Alexander the Great) had made it (red) as fire, he said: ’Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead” (Dawood says bronze).

  1. We do not think there any one place on Earth was enough lead - or bronze - for such a job.
  2. Even if they did, metal was expensive - the locals had to be very rich to have so much lead/bronze. And this goes even more so for enough iron blocks to build a huge wall.
  3. It would not be technically possible to heat such a big and long wall to “make it (red) as fire” ca. 340 BC - it is hardly possible today - for pouring the lead/bronze over it.
  4. Besides: If the wall was too tall for Gog and Magog, how did the workers get to the top to poor the molten lead over it?
  5. Red hot iron means ca. 700 centigrade. How do you get close enough to an enormous iron wall radiating 700 centigrade, to poor melted lead or bronze over it?

Nonsense.

To include the rest of the story about Gog and Magog: Thy will be unable to get out of their big valley – it has to be big to feed that many until they are released as a warning about the approaching of the Final Day. But even today nobody has found their valley – not even on a satellite photo. It must be a well hidden big valley, because it is not found even today when every square yard of the globe is mapped. Thus also this way the story is scientific nonsense.

019 22/65b: (A22/80, YA2847): Three translations of the same Arab words:

  1. A. Yusuf Ali: ”He (Allah*) withholds the sky (rain) from falling - - -.”
  2. M. Asad literal meaning (translated from Swedish): "- - - withholds the sky from falling - - -".
  3. M. Asad, “corrected” 2008: “- - - and (that it is He who) holds the celestial bodies (in their orbits), so that they may not fall upon earth - - -.”
  4. One of these sounds much better than the other – and honesty in religion does not matter very much. At least not in all religions.

This Arab word “sama” may mean: A: “something high”. B: ”a roof, a ceiling”. C: “the sky, the canopy of heaven” (not “the universe”*). D: “cloud or rain”. The ones who have revised the 2008 edition really have done a good work. But is it an honest work? Clear at least?

But not to forget: Both that the sky (the real literal meaning) and that the celestial bodies (= stars, planets, and moon) can fall down on Earth is scientific nonsense.

###020 31/10b: “He created the heavens (plural and wrong*) without any pillars that you can see - - -”. The Quran tells that the 7 heavens rest on invisible pillars (of course they need pillars - if not they would fall down!!!). Nowadays even Islam knows this is wrong, and the statements have to be explained away. We have f.x been told from Islamic information centers on Internet that: “- everyone with an IQ more than 60 of course understand that that means the pillars do not exist”.

But we know well the difference between “invisible” and “not existing”.

We also remember that the Quran - and Islam and Muslims - says the book is to be understood literally - "clear meaning" - (if nothing else is said). About the statement that what is said in the Quran has clear meaning - see 3/7, 11/1b, 19/97, 26/2, 27/1, 28/2, 41/3, 43/2, 44/2, 44/58, 54/32. No doubt. As for 7 heavens see 37/6c.

##021 34/11b: "Make you (David*) - - -". And the verse continues: "Make thou (King David*) coats of mail, balancing well the rings of chain armor - - -". This is piece of extra interesting information (also in) 21/79-80): The Quran tells that Allah taught David how to make coats of mail (also named chain mail or ring mail). Soldiers and warriors have used mail - f.x. scaled mail - for thousands of years, but coats of mail was not invented until around 300 BC, according to Wikipedia - some 700 years after David - and then by the Celts, who were not very close to Allah. Any god had known this, but Muhammad not. This point simply is scientific nonsense. Then who made the Quran?

022 34/12e: “- - - and We (Allah*) made a Font of molten brass to flow for him (Solomon*) - - -“. Here Yusuf Ali has an informative twist - informative about Muslim ways of explaining and explaining away. We quote from his "The Meaning of the Holy Quran" (YA3804): "(2. Chronicle 4/2 (says*)), "Also he (Solomon*) made a molten sea of 10 cubits (4.5 m*) from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits (2.25 m*)the height thereof - - -. The receptacle or "sea" or Font was made of molten brass - - -". Here the honorable Yusuf Ali - highly respected Muslim writer - is able to include most of the central words as in the same piece in the Quran. Only the "fact" that the Quran says it was a running font of molten brass flowing for Solomon is missing.

What the Bible in reality says (NIV) is: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring 10 cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high".

There is a difference between a "Sea" of water - an artificial "pond" - and a running font of molten brass. There is a difference between being made from cast metal - melted when made, but then hardened - and being "molten brass to flow for him". There is a difference between an artificial pond and a font "presumably containing flowing water" as YA continues to be able to include the word "flowing" (but how to combine water with flowing, molten brass?). This even more so at flowing water on top of the Temple Mount was technically impossible at that time - a fact a learned man like Mr. YA well knew. Lead tubes existed. But to have running water, one had to have a source of water lying higher than the Temple Mount and the Temple - which did not exist within reasonable distance.

Solomon made an artificial "pond" for water. Islam needs to explain away "a font of molten brass to flow for him". Mr. YA really tries, and quite likely many Muslims believe him - the ones who strongly wants to believe in any explanation which seems to remove mistakes, the ones without enough knowledge to see the impossibilities, and the naive ones.

Actually this point is scientific nonsense - one did not have the technology making it possible to make molten brass flow like a font at the time of Solomon. And not even one with flowing water on the top of a hill. Dishonesty on top does not make the situation better.

**023 34/14b: “Then, when We (Allah*) decreed (Solomon’s) death, nothing showed them (see 34/14a just above) his death, except a little worm from the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away his staff; so when he fell down - - -”. Wrong: It would take days or more for a small worm to weaken the staff enough for Solomon to fall - may be weeks.

  1. A mighty king sitting not mowing for too long, would after some time be addressed by his servants.
  2. A mighty king not talking for a long enough while, would be addressed by his servants.
  3. A mighty king not taking care of his duties and his visitors for a long enough while, would be addressed by his servants.
  4. A mighty king not going to bed in the evening would be addressed by his servants.
  5. Rigor mortis (the only possible, but highly unlikely reason for the situation) takes time to start – and it disappears. If not for other reasons, he would fall because of that long before a small worm had the time to weaken the staff.
  6. In the climate of Jerusalem - even in winter (when there after all would be a fire) - his body would start decomposing. Everyone had to notice that.

Scientific nonsense and a fairy tale simply. Even Islam admits that this is from an Arab legend (A34/20). They try to explain it is an allegory - normal for Islam when something clearly is wrong in the Quran - but in the Quran it is a fact, not an allegory.

###024 37/6c: “We (Allah*) have indeed decked the lower heaven with - - - stars - - -”. The nature has produced billions of stars - of which man with his naked eyes is able to see 6ooo-7ooo. But in no way he used them to deck a non-existing lower heaven (below the moon according to the astronomy of that time - - - and to the Quran as the moon is "between the heavens") - and neither do nature use the stars as weapons (shooting stars) to chase away evil spirits or jinns like in the Quran, next verse (37/7). Also if the stars - suns - were below the moon, Earth had been pretty hot (in addition to all other nonsense this verse would imply if it had been true). Is this a proof for that nature knows what it is doing, whereas Muhammad was bluffing?

Actually it is not 100% correct to say that Muhammad told everything about the heavens according to the astronomy of that time. If we remember our Greek astronomy correctly, it was like this:

  1. The outer layer or ceiling: The stars.
  2. The 7. Heaven Saturn.
  3. The 6. Heaven Jupiter.
  4. The 5. heaven Mars.
  5. The 4. Heaven The Sun.
  6. The 3. Heaven Venus.
  7. The 2. Heaven Mercury.
  8. The 1. Heaven The Moon.

The outer layer some "astronomers" reckoned to be the 8. heaven. We stress that you may find old "charts" with a different design or a somewhat different sequence of the heavenly bodies. But as far as we have found, Islam is the only one with the stars fixed to the 1. Heaven.

###025 43/48b: (A43/41): "The concept of 'returning' to Allah implies that the instinctive ability to perceive His (Allah's*) existence is inherent in human nature as such - - -". Scientifically this is nonsense and gobbledygook. No such "instinctive ability" has ever been found - not even a shadow of it. One has found that a minor percentage (5 - 10%?) has a longing for something strong to lean to - a god, but not a specific one. But nothing more - no "ability to perceive" a god, not to mention a specific one. But Islam is built on absolutely nothing - only on never proved words and claims from a man of doubtful character, but with a liking for power and women - and needs dogmas like this. True or not true does not matter very much, as al-Taqiyyas (lawful lies) and Kitmans (lawful half-truths), etc. are not only permitted, but advised to use "if necessary" for defending or advancing the religion

Islam sometimes is a bit "special" when it comes to honesty. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is "The Religion of Honesty".)

026 65/12b: “Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments (wrong*) and of the earth a similar number”. To call this scientific nonsense, is to whisper. According to Hadith the last part means 7 separate Earths - one above the other. According to Muhammad Ibn ‘Abd Allah al-Kisa’I the last part means 7 layers down in the Earth according to one “explanation”. But what the Quran really says, is 7 Earths – 7 flat Earths (also see the chapter ALLAH, THE CLAIMED CREATOR, verse 65/12b). No matter if you believe the Quran/Hadith or one of the “explanations” for this somewhat special geology/geography/astronomy, the names of the “Earths” from top and down are:

  1. Ramaka. People: Muwasshim, in everlasting torment and divine retribution. (Earth?)
  2. Khalada. People: Tamis, eating their own flesh, drinking their own blood.
  3. Arqa. People: Qays, eating dirt, drinking mother's milk. Pest: Mulelike eagles with spearlike tails and poisonous quills.
  4. Haraba. People: Jilla, have no eyes, hands, or feet, but batlike wings. Pest: the snakes of Hell, large as mountains.
  5. Maltham. People: Hajla, eat each other. Pest: carry stones of sulphur around their neck - may burn.
  6. Sijjin. People: Qatat, look like birds, worship Allah. Pest(?): contains the register of Hell.
  7. Ajiba. People: Khasum, black and short, with claws like lions. Pest: Iblis/the Devil lives here (Hell?). Gog and Magog will end here.

According to Hadiths, Hell is lying under this.

To make the numbers add up, our Earth must be Ramaka. Also see: "The Islamic universe. 7 Heavens, 7 Earths, and Hell", under 67/5d below.

##027 67/5b: “- - - and We (Allah*) have made such (lamps (stars*) as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones - - -”. Well, well. Any secondary school child able to see that the entry from the same verse 67/5a were wrong, would laugh from this: Stars fastened to the lowest heaven and then doubling as shooting stars to drive this away! Today it is clear such "information" only belongs in fairy tales. Also see 67/3 and 67/5a. Who made the Quran?

No further comments - except that you find similar in 15/17-18 - 37/10 – 72/8.

028 67/5d: (A67/5 – omitted in 2008 edition): “We (Allah*) have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven (out of the 7 the Quran frequently tells about, and which Muhammad even visited*) with lamps (stars*), and We have made such (lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones - - -.” But the disagreement concerns: Is it the stones in the shooting stars that chase jinns, etc. away? – the Arab word “rudjum” – plural of “radjm” means “throwing of stones” or “stoning” (one name for the Devil f.x. is “ar-radjim” = “the stoned one”). Or is it the fire? – the Quran really mention the fire. Once more: Start guessing. (The 2008 edition of “The Message of the Quran” even has got a new one – at least new to us: The Quran is not talking about stars used like shooting stars, but used as objects for divination by the bad astrologers. They need a lot of easy words to reach that conclusion, but so what? – as we have indicated before: Sometimes the religion is more essential than honesty and intellectual integrity. Though we have touched this theme before, we ask again: What does it indicate that a religion has to resort to cheating and dishonesty? Normally such methods mean that one does not have real arguments or facts. In religion there also is the serious fact: If there is a next life, and if a religion needs to base its life on Earth on lies – even only partly – that is a strong indication for that that religion is not based on truth. And in that case its believers will not wake up in any Paradise.

The Islamic universe. 7 Heavens, 7 Earths, and Hell.

According to the Quran the “everything” is like this:

On top of all - above the 7. heaven - Allah has his residence.

Seven heavens above the Earth – one on top of the other. They have names, guardian angel, and gates.

The heavens are resting on the Earth by means of invisible pillars.

In between the heavens are the sun (?) and the moon.

The sun is a flat disk (if not it cannot be folded up like it does at the Day of Doom).

The 7 heavens contain Paradise - the higher heavens are for top Muslims.

The lower heaven is for "normal good" Muslims - split in at least 4 gardens = 4 qualities.

Under heavens, and fastened to the lowest (37/6-7, 41/12) one, are all the stars.

Allah often uses stars as shooting stars to chase away jinns and bad spirits spying on Heaven.

Under the heavens and stars are clouds – which Allah sometimes breaks to pieces (rain).

Under that the birds are kept up there by the will of Allah only.

On the Earth mountains are set down - or really dropped down.

The reason why Allah has set down mountains on Earth is to stabilize it - if not it can start wobbling and tip over (This is the Quran's real meaning).

(Modern Muslims claims the mountains are set down to reduce earthquakes - but mountains do not reduce earthquakes (on the contrary sometimes)).

According to Hadiths 2 of the rivers on Earth starts in Heaven - the Nile and Euphrates.

Earth was – according to the Quran - created together with the heavens from something like smoke which Allah ordered to come together to one mass and then he split asunder. One part became our flat Earth (or really "earths" as there are 7 (65/12) – one on top of the other according to Hadiths) and the other became heaven, or actually the 7 material heavens which lies above Earth. (For more about this, see the about the creation of heaven).

On the Earth also all kinds of beings live – created from clay or something or nothing.

Man - Adam - is created in 13 different ways if you count exactly and strictly (5 - 7 if you are kind-hearted towards Islam).

All this is existing or living on our flat Earth.

There are 7 earths - according to Hadiths the others are under "our" Earth.

According to Hadiths Islam knows the names of the 7 earths - and the name of their people.

The lower the earth the more Hell-like is the situation for its inhabitants, Hadiths tell.

And at the bottom Hell (?)

All this (possibly with the exception of Paradise and Hell) was created in 6 - or 8 - days.

That it took 6 days, is mentioned at least in 10/3 – 11/7 – 25/59 – 32/4 – 50/38 - 57/4. But science tells a very different story.

Just like your teacher of geography told you? And who created this nonsense?

##(YA5570):"He (Allah*) Who creates must necessarily know His own handiwork". This is very correct, so when the Quran shows that the maker of that book clearly do not know the reality, it is a strong proof for that something is very wrong somewhere.

The 7 heavens, its guardian angels, and its gates:

  1. 7.Gharibya, angel Razquel, gate made from shining light.
  2. 6.Rafqa, angel Shamkhael, gate made from white pearl.
  3. 5.Ratqa, angel Kalkael, gate made from gold.
  4. 4.Arqlun, angel Salsael, gate made from silver.
  5. 3.Aun, angel Saadiel, gate made from topaz.
  6. 2.Faydum, angel Michael, gate made from ruby.
  7. 1.Birqi, angel Ismael, gate made from emerald.

The 7 heavens were Greek and Persian astronomy. One observed 7-8 movements on the firmament - the stars, the sun and the moon, plus Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (the other planets were not visible to the naked eye) - and thus needed 7 invisible heavens to fasten them to, to explain why they did not fall down on Earth. Any - any - god had known better. Then who made the Quran?

Well, actually it is not 100% correct to say that Muhammad told everything about the heavens according to the astronomy of that time. If we remember our Greek astronomy correctly, it was like this:

  1. The outer layer or ceiling: The stars.
  2. The 7. Heaven Saturn.
  3. The 6. Heaven Jupiter.
  4. The 5. heaven Mars.
  5. The 4. Heaven The Sun.
  6. The 3. Heaven Venus.
  7. The 2. Heaven Mercury.
  8. The 1. Heaven The Moon.

The outer layer some "astronomers" reckoned to be the 8. heaven. We stress that you may find old "charts" with a different design or with a somewhat different sequence of the heavenly bodies. But as far as we have found, Islam is the only one with the stars fixed to the 1. Heaven.

The 7 Earths and Hell - and their people:

(As you see included "our" Earth - scientific name Tellus (or Terra) - Islam lists 8 Earths, but it seems that Ramaka = Tellus.

The scientific name of the people on our Earth is Homo Sapiens. That means "the thinking human" or "knowing human". There are times when there are reasons for believing that name is an ironical joke - f.x. when leaders demand blindness, blind belief, and acceptance/belief in obviously wrong facts and/or obviously invalid logic.

If there somewhere is a god who is behind the creation or development of man, his second most valuable gift - after life itself - is our brain. If it is a gift from a god, it is an insult to this god to use blind belief instead of the brain.

  1. Ramaka. People: Muwasshim, in everlasting torment and divine retribution.
  2. Khalada. People: Tamis, eating their own flesh, drinking their own blood.
  3. Arqa. People: Qays, eating dirt, drinking mother's milk. Pest: Mulelike eagles with spearlike tails and poisonous quills.
  4. Haraba. People: Jilla, have no eyes, hands, or feet, but batlike wings. Pest: the snakes of Hell, large as mountains.
  5. Maltham. People: Hajla, eat each other. Pest: carry stones of sulfur around their neck - may burn.
  6. Sijjin. People: Qatat, look like birds, worship Allah. Pest(?): contains the register of Hell.
  7. Ajiba. People: Khasum, black and short, with claws like lions. Pest: Iblis/the Devil lives here (Hell?). Gog and Magog will end here.

According to f.x. Al-Bukhari the Earths are placed one above the other – easy as the Quran tells the Earth(s) is/are flat. The lower down, the more devilish life on the respective layer – and if you are a big enough sinner, you can fall down through them all at the Day of Doom. It is not necessary to say it is all rubbish.

p> Also see 2/131 – 7/61 - 7/67 – 7/104 – 7/121 – 10/3 – 26/16 – 26/23 – 26/47 – 26/77 – 26/98 – 26/109 – 26/127 – 26/145 – 27/8 – 27/44 – 32/2 – 37/87 – 38/87 – 39/74 – 41/9 – 43/46 – 45/36 - 56/80 – 59/16 – 68/52 – 69/43 – 81/27 – 81/29 – 83/6 and many more. All these places mention “the worlds” in plural – f.x. “Lord of the Worlds (Allah*)” – and reference to the 7 worlds. But beware of a stumbling stone here: The Quran also in 1 – 2 cases uses the expression “the Worlds” in another connection – Muslim scholars believe it in that or those couple of cases refers to “man and Jinn” or “man and woman”. In western languages it is not possible to see the difference, because our nouns only have singular and plural. But in Arab (and some other languages) it is different: They have singular, dual (= 2), and plural. We are informed that in all such cases where the original Arab text has plural, it refers to the 7 non-existing Earths (well, one exists, even though it is not flat). But if the Arab text any place has the noun "Worlds" in dual, it just that place is referring to something else - like "man and jinn".

The 7 gates of Hell:

Like the heavens also Hell has 7 gates. They open to 7 parts of Hell, one worse than the next.

  1. Gehanna.
  2. Laza.
  3. Hutama.
  4. Sair.
  5. Saquar.
  6. Jahim. (This one is for Jews, Christians, and Sabeans - "the People of the Book".)
  7. Hawiya.

Once more: Just like your teacher of geography told you? And who created this nonsense?

Once more: ##(YA5570):"He (Allah*) Who creates must necessarily know His own handiwork". This is very correct, so when the Quran shows that the maker of that book clearly do not know the reality, it is a strong proof for that something is very wrong somewhere.

*029 72/8b: “And we (jinns*) pried into the secrets of heaven, but we found it filled with stern guides and flaming fires (shooting stars*).” The Quran tells that Allah use the stars for shooting stars – flaming fire – to chase away bad spirits and jinns wanting to spy on heaven. No comments should be necessary to this nonsense. Any god had known the difference between a shooting star, and a real star - even a devil had known. Then who made the Quran?

#####030 76/4d: (A76/5): "- - - man's - - - inborn cognition of Allah's existence - - -". This is scientific nonsense. No such inborn cognition has ever been found - even by Islam. Science has found that a small percentage has an inborn longing for something stronger to lean on - a god. But any religion and any god(s) do(es) the job, as long as the needy believe in it. But no "inborn cognition" has ever been found. This most likely is a result of Islam's lack of proofs for Allah (and for Muhammad's connection to a god) and its search for "strong" arguments for that Allah must exist in spite of the total lack of valid proofs. You find similar claims on "instinctive knowledge", etc. several places in the Quran and other Islamic literature. Scientifically it is totally wrong and invalid - so much so, that al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) may be a more correct word than "wrong".

As said: Scientific nonsense.

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It also is pretty thought provoking that f.x. all the errors, contradictions, wrong facts, etc., only and alone, in the Quran, prove 100% that there is no god behind that book. And that f.x. the fact that Jesus accepted OT as correct, proves to both Christians and Muslims, and to most Jews and historians, that the OT was not falsified at that time - and that the Qumran scrolls prove that even OT was not falsified any time later, too.

It further is an insult to that possible god to "explain" that his texts means something different from what they really says = you are more clever than him at explaining what the god "really" meant, than the god is himself, even when he tries to explain things "clearly and easy to understand", and says his words are to be understood literally and without hidden meanings. Also only "the sick of heart" look for hidden meanings behind his words, according to the Quran - the very claimed hidden meanings the wise Muslims claim are what Allah really meant, but was unable to express clearly himself, so that they have to help the bumbling god and tell what he "really" tried to say. This in spite of that the Quran clearly states that meanings hidden behind Allah's clear and easy to understand words, only are possible for Allah to understand, and like said above are "only for the sick of heart" to look for.

May be as bad: To claim that the Quran means something different from what the texts clearly say, is to falsify the Quranic texts.

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