Allah in the Quran, Chapter 24

 

    ALLAH'S PRESENCE IN PARADISE

     

    001 The very best thing in Paradise according to the Quran, is Allah's presence. But: Allah's presence was never proved, only claimed - and by a man who clearly accepted the use of dishonesty, a man who liked respect, power, riches for bribes, and women, and a man who used his religion for his platform of power. Such men are not always reliable.

    Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable is that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?

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    002 3/195i: "- - - His (Allah's*) Presence is the best of rewards". If he exists. If he is behind the tales of the Quran. And if the Quran in addition tells the full and only truth about this.

    ####003 4/57j: This is what the Muslim paradise has to offer: Good food and drink (and never to the toilet), lots of women (a small share of their husband for women - if they are able to compete with the houris), peace and quiet, nice shades and enough water, nice clothes and riches, and Allah far above. You must be primitive, uneducated, poor, and from a hot desert to be able to think about this as the ultimate Paradise. F.x. exceedingly boring in the long run. Very different from the Bible's "You become like angels" (f.x. Luke 20/36, not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). And also not to mention: "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Mark 12/25)). The very different paradises is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

    *004 9/22b: “They (terrorists/warriors*) will dwell therein (in paradise) forever. Verily in Allah’s presence is a reward, the greatest (of all)”. Warriors/terrorists are in so high esteem in the eyes of Allah, that they will be invited to live in the parts of paradise that has Allah’s presence. (In the Muslim paradise some parts are even better than others - Jesus f.x. only lives in the 2. heaven, whereas Moses was a better prophet and lives in heaven number four, and top prophets like Abraham and Muhammad of course in number seven, closest to Allah, who resides above number seven. In addition some regions of the heavens are better than others - in the heaven for ordinary Muslims, there f.x. are 4 or 6 or perhaps more gardens - Islam does not know for sure - one better than the other (just hope you, your wives and your children do not merit different gardens).

    Compared to 9/21 this may be an even more ultimate pep talk and carrot.

    005 9/22d: "Verily in Allah's presence is a reward, the greatest (of all)". We are back to the old question?: Does he ever exist? And is he in case a god? The only place you ever find him, is in the Quran and other books based on the words of a man of very doubtful morality who liked power, riches for bribes - and women. And a man who advised his followers to use dishonest means when that gave a better result - this even according to the Quran itself. (F.x. disused/broken oaths.)

    ####006 43/4b: “- - - it (the Quran*) is in the Mother of Books, in Our (Allah’s*) presence, high (in dignity) - - -”. This is one of the places in the Quran where Muhammad claims the Quran is taken from (is a copy of) "the Mother Book" in Allah’s own home/Heaven. But no book containing hundreds of mistakes, hundreds of contradictions, hundreds of loose claims and statements, lots of invalid logic, lots of invalid “signs” and lots of invalid “proofs” easy for anybody with good and wide education too see through, hundreds of places with unclear language, etc., is copied from a revered Mother Book, high in dignity and esteem, in the perfect Heaven, the home of and by a perfect, omnipotent and omniscient god. See also 13/39,43/4, 85/21-22.

    ###007 43/4c: "- - - the Mother of Books (from which the Quran is copied according to the Quran*), in Our (Allah's*) Presence, high (in dignity) - - -". No book with so much wrong like the Quran is cherished by a god - or held high in dignity by any god - not even by a baby dwarf god hidden in a cradle in remote corner. Something is seriously wrong.

    008 68/34e: "- - - (in Paradise Muslims are*) in the Presence of their Lord (Allah)". This is the only pleasure in Muhammad's Paradise which is not a bodily one - perhaps in addition to peace and quiet and the closeness of the family. Everything else is for the body: Good food, good things to drink, good clothes, good houses, pleasant weather, etc. Oh, there may be a little vainglory, too: Sitting on glorious thrones in long rows - miles and miles and miles of them (but some of the royal superiority complex gets bleached when everybody else - by the millions - are kings, too, all without underlings, except their wives and houris (and the women do not even have such underlings - but so what, as Islam is a men's and warriors' religion?

    And as for presence to Allah: If normally good Muslims ends up in the lower heaven out of 7, and Hadiths tells there are may be 100 years travel between each heaven, the "presence" is not very close - yes not even Muhammad and the 7th heaven is very close.

    ###009 73/20k: "- - - ye (Muslims*) shall find it in Allah's Presence (= in Paradise) - - -". But what is really "Allah's presence"? There are 7 heavens and Allah lives above number seven - both claims according to the Quran. It is not specified in the Quran, but it seems normally good Muslims end in gardens in the first heaven. This means there are 6 heavens between them and Allah. The Quran also does not specify the distance between the heavens, but relevant Islamic literature mentions 100 years (of travel - or even 500 years).

    A normal speed for a walker is some 3.5 - 4 miles an hour. Say you walked together with a caravan, which walked for 12 hours a day (the main thing for a caravan is to reach its goal and make money, so they often walked from dawn till dusk, and even ate when walking).

    1. That would mean 45 miles (some 72 km) a day.
    2. There are 365 days a year = some 16.400 miles (some 26.300 km) a year.
    3. As there are said to be 100 years between the heavens, this means some 1.64 million miles (2.63 million km) between the heavens.
    4. And the distance between the 1. and the 7. heaven consequently a little less than 10 million miles (a bit less than 16 million km).
    5. Better than 40 times the distance to the moon.
  1. And remember that Allah lives above the 7. heaven = further off.
  2. (And the distance from Earth to Allah is the same plus the distance from Earth to the lowest heaven. If the first and the last distance are similar to the ones between the heavens, we end up with something 11.4 million miles/18,5 million km from Earth to the 7. Heaven, and something like 13 million miles/21 million km between Earth and Allah (or 5 times as much if the distances between the heavens are 500 years), and Allah sitting somewhere well on the way to Venus or Mars.)

Not just "in Allah's Presence" neither for the normal good Muslims in the first Paradise, nor for the Muslims on Earth.

But if the Islamic books have given reasonably correct information about the distances, this is a rough picture of what the Quran means with "Allah's Presence" for normal Muslims here on Earth and in Paradise.

This in case means that the Quran's universe is half a "ball" with the Earths and perhaps Hell at the flat side, and the 7. heaven at the "ball" side 11.4 million miles/18.5 million km - or some 57 million miles/92.5 million km if the distances between the heavens are 500 years. For comparison: When Earth and Mars are closest to each other, the distance is some 48.7 million miles/78 million km. This means that even the most optimistic numbers means that the total Muslim universe according to the Quran is half a ball with Earth on the flat side and the "skin" of the ball around the medium route of Mercury. Well, Allah lives a bit outside that, but if he is not too bar from his heavens, he is a little inside the medium distance to Mercury when it is on line between us and the Sun.

This was/is Islam's universe according to their religious books.

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It also is pretty thought provoking that f.x. all the errors, contradictions, wrong facts, etc., only and alone, in the Quran, prove 100% that there is no god behind that book. And that f.x. the fact that Jesus accepted OT as correct, proves to both Christians and Muslims that the OT was not falsified at that time - and that the Qumran scrolls prove that even OT was not falsified any time later, too.

It further is an insult to that possible god to "explain" that his texts means something different from what they really says = you are more clever than him at explaining what the god "really" meant, than the god is himself, even when he tries to explain things "clearly and easy to understand", and says his words are to be understood literally and without hidden meanings. Also only "the sick of heart" look for hidden meanings behind his words, according to the Quran - the very claimed hidden meanings the wise Muslims claim are what Allah really meant, but was unable to express clearly himself, so that they have to help the bumbling god and tell what he "really" tried to say. This in spite of that the Quran clearly states that meanings hidden behind Allah's clear and easy to understand words, only are possible for Allah to understand, and like said above are "only for the sick of heart" to look for.

May be as bad: To claim that the Quran means something different from what the texts clearly say, is to falsify the quranic texts.

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