Allah in the Quran, Chapter 14

 

ALLAH'S CLAIMED PLAN

001 According to the Quran Allah predestines every detail of what is to happen in Heaven an on Earth (F.x. 2/210c: "But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)", 13/2j: "He (Allah*) doth regulate all affairs - - -"). according to his Plan - a plan nobody and nothing can change (f.x. 6/115e: “- - - none can change His (Allah's*) Words “, 7/183: "My (Allah's*) scheme (Plan*) is strong (and unfailing) - - -"). But if nobody and nothing can change what Allah has predestined, the future is absolutely fixed and nothing can change anything.

002 One thing is that this fixed future makes a joke from the claim that man has a free will. This is admitted by more or less all higher Muslim scholars - or at least that it is impossible to understand how the two opposing claims can be combined - though they try to find ways to explain the fact away. We quote from Muhammad Azad: "The Message of the Quran", surah 6, comment 143 (to verse 149):

003 "In other words, the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man's free will, on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true. The very concept of "Allah" presupposes omniscience; and the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part." In plain words: Impossible to understand or explain, but it MUST be true, if not something is seriously wrong with Islam. And: Allah is unfair if he punishes or rewards if man has not free will.

004 Well, one thing is the impossibility of combining full predestination for Allah and even partly free will for man (the two are mutually excluding each other, and according to the laws of logic then maximum one of the claims can be true - god or no god - and besides; the laws of chaos quickly will make a joke of Allah's predestination and precognition, if man has even a small part of 1% of free will), a problem which Muslims sometimes debate and/or claim they have found a solution to - mullahs and others knowing the rules for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), etc. sometimes pretend they are wiser than the top Muslim thinkers through the times, and have found "explanations" to the impossibility, so as to make the common Muslim believe everything is ok and, Islam the full truth. May be there is a reason why you seldom hear Islam claiming that "Islam is the Religion of Honesty"?

################# Actually verse 6/149 and the comment 6/143 are strong proofs for that things are wrong in the Quran and in Islam, and for that Muslims flee from the reality and from even strong proofs they do not want to see.

005 And full predestination also means Islam has some other problems which are impossible to explain, but which Muslims seldom if ever debates. F.x.:

  1. A. If Allah predestines everything, and you just are a puppet-on-a-string, what is then the moral rationale - explanation - for that Allah can call you good or bad for what you have (been forced to have) done?
    1. B. If Allah predestines everything, and you just are a puppet-on-a-string, what is then the moral rationale - explanation - for that Allah can reward you for what you have (been forced to have) done?
    2. C. If Allah predestines everything, and you just are a puppet-on-a-string, what is then the moral rationale - explanation - for that Allah can punish you for what you have (been forced to have) done?
    3. D. If Allah predestines everything, and you just are a puppet-on-a-string, what is then the moral rationale - explanation - for that Allah can send you to Hell for what you have (been forced to have) done?
    4. E. If Allah predestines everything, how is it then possible for Allah to punish you? - a punishment means that your bad deed for which you are punished, has changed Allah's Plan and given you a punishment - but nobody and nothing, and least of all a deed done by puny humans, can change his Plan. Punishment is impossible.
    5. F. If Allah predestines everything, how is it then possible for Allah to forgive you? - to forgive means that your bad deed for which you are to be punished, is forgotten, and the punishment you should receive for it nullified - the forgiving has changed Allah's Plan - but nobody and nothing can change his Plan. Impossible.
    6. G. If Allah predestines everything, how is it then possible for Allah to reward you? - a reward means that your good deed for which you are rewarded, has changed Allah's Plan and given you a punishment - but nobody and nothing, and least of all a deed done by puny humans, can change his Plan. Impossible. Of course you may say that Allah predestined your good or bad deed, and thus predestined the reward or punishment, but then we are in a theatre and a farce.
    7. H. And if the Hadiths tell the truth that Allah predestines whether you are to end in Heaven or Hell already when you are a 4 month old fetus like some texts say, and there is nothing you can do to change his Plan on this point, what is the moral explanation for the claim that Allah all the same is a "good and benevolent and never unjust god"?
    8. I. And there is the very central point of prayer. Prayers normally are for help or betterment. But if Allah long since has predestined everything according to a Plan which nobody and nothing can change, then mere prayers cannot change what is predestined, too, and prayers in reality are without effect or meaning in Islam - if the Quran tells the truth when it several places tells that Allah predestines everything, and predestines it according to a Plan which nobody and nothing can change. (Of course you once more can claim that Allah has predestined also your prayer and its answer, but then you are back in the theatre and "make believe" and farce.).

     

    We have never seen any explanations to these facts.

    Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable is that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?

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    ###006 2/210c: "But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)". Here we are back to the predestination: Allah decides everything, and he decides it according to his unchangeable Plan. And then we are back to the question of man's free will: If Allah decides everything, man's claimed free will is just an illusion. But if man's free will is an illusion, how then can Allah punish (or reward) humans? - not to mention how can he punish (or reward) for it and still be a benevolent, fair and good god? This is an unsolvable problem for Islam. The lay members of Islam are fed good words about the free will of man and that Allah is able to see the future no matter, and thus only reacts to what you do. Fast words are cheap, and if the naive or the strong believers want to believe these logical impossibilities, it is easy to make them believe it. But the moment Allah "writes down" your future, your free will is gone - if not Allah's knowledge may turn out to be wrong. Or if you really have free will, even a small piece of it, Allah can never know the future for sure, because you always can change your mind once more. Most Muslims happily overlook or are not aware of this impossibility. They as happily overlook the fact that if the claim that you only have partly free will, Allah still is behind most of what you do, and thus most of what you are rewarded or punished for. But among the scholars you meet it (though they never debate it with their lay followers if they can avoid it). We quote from Muhammad Azad: "The Message of the Quran", surah 6, comment 143 (to verse 149):

    "In other words, the relationship between Allah's knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happening the future) on one side, and man's free will, on the other - two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another - is beyond man's comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah (in the Quran*), both must be true. The very concept of "Allah" presupposes omniscience; and the very concept of morality and moral responsibility presupposes free will on man's part."

    This is a version of the "Time Travel Paradox" - a paradox which is proved unsolvable. But instead of facing this fact, Islam makes the ultimate surrendered to blind belief and to "taqlid" - even blind belief in the impossible. (Actually they have to - or face the fact that something is wrong. A fact which is too difficult to meet, because that means something is seriously wrong with the religion). But they are giving in to a claim in a book full of mistakes, dictated by the man who institutionalized al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), etc. - formalized later, but the foundations for it were introduced by Muhammad - and advocated breaking even your oaths if that gave a better result, not to mention that he practiced deceit ("war is deceit" or "war is betrayal" - and "everything" is war). Further comments should be unnecessary.

    007 2/210d: "But to Allah do all questions go back (for decision)". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells that what is decided by a god, is decided by Yahweh - a quite another god in spite of the Quran's claims, as the teachings, included the moral code, of the two are far too different to be made by the same one. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

    008 2/253k: "- - - but Allah fulfilleth His plan". According to the Quran Allah decides absolutely everything which happen in the world, and he decides it in accordance with his predestined Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. Here: Has it been Allah’s Plan not to fulfill his Plan (which is to conquer and suppress the rest of the world) for some 1400 years?

    009 3/47d: "- - - a Plan - - -". Allah predestines everything, the Quran tells many places, and his predestinations are according to his Plan - a predestined plan no-one and nothing can change. (Why then f.x. pray to him, as nothing can change his decisions anyhow?).

    ####010 4/32b: - - - but ask Allah for His bounty". Why? If Allah has predestined everything, prayers is a waste of time - nobody and nothing can change Allah's Plan according to the Quran.

    This in reality is one more - but never mentioned - utmost severe contradiction in the Quran: If Allah has predestined everything according to his unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states several places, it is cheating and a parody to tell Muslims that prayers - and several other things - may have an effect or be true.

    As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

    Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

    011 4/95+96a: “- - - those who strive hath Allah distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward – Ranks specially bestowed by Him (Allah*), and Forgiveness (for anything if you are killed in battle*) and Mercy.” No doubt who is the best Muslim and what is the best deed in Islam – the warrior and the war are most pleasing to Allah. (To call Islam “The religion of peace” is an insult to the intelligence of everybody who has read the surahs from Medina with an open mind. But then Muslims who claim this, seldom claim that "Islam is the Religion of Honesty".)

    As for forgiveness see 4/43h and 4/64g - and 2/187d - above.

    But remember as for punishment and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.) Similar goes for prayers.

    012 4/100f: "- - - his (dead Muslim*) reward becomes due and sure with Allah - - -". This only is possible if Allah exists and if he really is a god - there only are the words of a not reliable man seeking power, for both.

    But as so much is wrong in the Quran that the book definitely is not from any god, no reward from Allah is sure.

    Also remember as for punishment and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (And a predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)

    013 5/1j: "- - - Allah doth command according to His Will and Plan". Here the predestination surfaces again: Allah decides everything, and does so according to his Plan where everything of the future is planned, and not possible to change.

    014 5/48m; "- - - (His (Allah's*) plan is) - - -". Allah decides everything, and does this according to his Plan, which no-one can change. Predestination once more.

    015 5/48n; "- - - (His (Allah's*) plan is) to test you - - -". But why does an omniscient god who on top of all predestines everything, need to test his followers?!?!

    ##016 6/107a: “If it had not been Allah’s Plan, they (non-Muslims*) would not have taken false gods - - -” There is a certain class of people who find out where people wants to go, then walks in front of them, telling everyone that they are leading the people. You often find them in politics and in organizations. They make us think of this verse. If only Allah willed - - -! In addition: HOW - H O W!! - can an omniscient and omnipotent god presumed to be a good and benevolent god, damn humans to Hell for taking other gods, when they did so because of his own plans???! This also is incompatible with the Bible.

    017 6/107b: "- - - Allah's Plan - - -". This is the reason for and the origin of all predestination: Allah's Plan which nobody and nothing can change even a nanometer. There is no such plan mentioned in the Bible. Another proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

    018 6/111b: “- - - they (non-Muslims*) are not the ones to believe, unless it is Allah’s Plan”. This is even worse than 6/107a above - Allah simply has made it impossible for non-Muslims to become Muslims, if it does not fit him. But still he condemns them to Hell!!! Predestination at its worst - perhaps except when luring people to their death or mutilation in battles.

    No comment could possibly express our point of view or distaste.

    019 6/112d: "If thy (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) had so planned, they (non-Muslims*) would not have done it (believed in other gods*) - - -". What kind of god is planning and predestining so as to send millions and even billions of humans - and jinns - to Hell?!!

    ###020 6/115e: “- - - none can change His (Allah's*) Words “. Predestination and his Plan. And free will for man. Allah decides everything, and no-body can change anything. (Then why f.x. pray for help or a better future, when everything already is decided and the decisions impossible to change, because nothing can change his Plan?)

    021 6/115f: “- - - none can change His (Allah's*) Words “. Perhaps no Muslim can, because that means to accept that something is wrong in the foundation and fundamentals of Islam - they cannot afford to change any word in the Quran for that reason. But f.x. reality and science can show if some - a lot - of the words in the Quran are wrong. Which they are. And then there is Yahweh - according to the Bible it is Yahweh who has the final say on every point he wants to act. Also there are changes in the Quran – the differences in the old Qurans, the differences between the old Quran as represented f.x. with the old copies found in ***************** and today's Qurans, and the differences between the 28 or more known versions, the different “ways of reading” (a camouflaged way to talk about what in reality are versions of the texts), the abrogated verses and the change in the religion around/after 622 AD – by whom and why? Well, whoever the maker of the Quran is, he is contradicting himself, as he clearly changes it himself when something forces him to – try and fail? Or change his mind about more blood and injustice from 622 AD on? – or because of other problems or things he has learnt?

    1. 2/106: “None of our revelations do We (Allah*) abrogate or cause to be forgotten, But We substitute something better or similar”. Words can be changed. BUT WHY DID NOT AN OMNISCIENT GOD CHOOSE OR ORDER THE BEST AT ONCE? - DID HE IN REALITY HAVE TO TRY AND FAIL?
    2. 16/101: “When We (Allah*) substitute one revelation for another – and Allah knows best what He reveals - - -“. No doubt that he can change his own words, at least – when he did not do things right at once. (These two verses – 2/106 and 16/101 – are the main fundamentals under Islam’s rules for abrogation – making verses invalid when there are contradictions. See separate chapter about abrogation).

     

    (2 contradictions).

    ##############And not to forget how often Muslims change the words of the Quran by claiming that the book at many points means something different from what the texts say (an often used way to try to explain away errors in the Quran). They overlook that to change the meaning from what the book says - but which is wrong - to something else, is to corrupt the Quran.

    ###022 6/125a: "Those whom Allah (in his Plan) willet to guide - - -". One of the fundamental differences between Yahweh and Allah: Allah predestines your life from even before the beginning, included whether you are to end in Heaven or Hell (according to Hadiths this is decided when the fetus is 4 months old). Yahweh gives man freedom of choice, but accepts anyone to his Paradise - not only the ones "he willeth" - who honestly want and qualify. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Plainly and simply no.

    023 6/125b: "- - - (in His (Allah's*) Plan - - -". The predestination again. Allah has everything planned, and nothing and nobody can change anything (actually why pray to Allah for help in problems, when nothing can be changed?) And full predestination means no free will for man. In spite of Muhammad's, the Quran's, and Islam's claims, to combine full predestination from Allah - like the Quran states several places - with even a snippet of free will for man, is impossible. The two are mutually excluding each other, and maximum one of the two claims can be true. (Islam's "explanation" here is pretty helpless: "Even if it is impossible, it has to be true, because the Quran says so". (6/149))

    ####024 6/149a: (A6/141 – in 2008 edition 6/143): “With Allah is the argument that reaches home (= the decisive arguments = it is Allah who decides*) - - - ". Predestination again - because Allah long since has decided everything according to his Plan. And man's claimed free will?

    “The Message of the Quran” has this unbelievable comment:

    “In other words, the real relationship between Allah’s knowledge of the future (and, therefore, the ineluctably of what is to happen in the future) on one side, and man’s free will, on the other – two propositions which, on the face of it, seem to contradict one another – is beyond man’s comprehension; but since both are postulated by Allah, both must be true".

    Simply the ultimate pinnacle of clear speech. And the ultimate victory not for blind faith, but for blind faith based on naivety and intellectual unconsciousness.

    IT ALSO IS THE ULTIMATE DEFEAT FOR THE CLAIM THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THE CLAIM THAT MAN HAS FREE WILL WITH THE CLAIM THAT ALLAH DECIDES EVERY DETAIL OF YOUR LIFE.

    Predestination contra man’s free will actually is a version of “the Time Travel Paradox”, which is long since proved unsolvable. (In short: The king is murdered. A FTL-message (FTL = Faster Than Light) is sent to a star-ship off Sirius. FTL according to Einstein moves backwards in time, and arrives earlier than it was sent. The ship sends a warning to the king, and as it uses FTL, the warning arrives before the murder and the king avoids the murderer. Because of that no message is sent to the ship, which sends no warning to the king - and the king is murdered. The a FTL message is sent to the ship - - - -".) There is no way Allah can even be fully clairvoyant, not to mention decide everything on beforehand, and man at the same time have free will. (More in the chapter about predestination.)

    Another proof for that there are things in the non-material parts of life which are impossible even for an omnipotent and omniscient god: Add one mathematical 1 to another mathematical 1. The only possible answer even for a god is the mathematical 2. There simply are things not possible even for gods. And to combine full predestination with even a tiny part of free will for man, is one of them - the laws of chaos inexorably prohibit it. A god may direct this and that to happen, but full predestination or full precognition is not possible, if it is possible for man to change his mind, even if he can change it only now and then.

    PREDESTINATION ALSO MAKES F.X. PRAYERS MEANINGLESS: IF ALLAH HAS PREDESTINED EVERYTHING, PRAYERS CAN CHANGE EXACTLY NOTHING. (Similar goes for forgiving.)

    This point perhaps is the pinnacle in Islam's ability to flee even from facts they see themselves, its inability to face hard facts even when they see them, and its ability and willingness to be blind and to overlook even the strongest facts and proofs for that things are very wrong in the Quran and thus with Muhammad and in Islam. Central claims which cannot be true, are accepted in pure superstition.

    "Our fathers told us and our neighbors and mullahs tell us this is true, and then it must be true". There is much "taqlid" among Muslims.

    "We built our lives on this belief - it has to be true, because it is too difficult for me to face the alternative".

    You meet this lack of moral backbone and the ability in Islam and in Muslims to overlook or explain away even the strongest facts and proofs, at every point in the Quran where there are mistakes, contradictions or other proofs for that something is wrong in the Quran, and thus with Muhammad and with his religion - proofs they are unable to face for that Islam as told in the Quran is not a religion, but a superstition. This even as when there are hundreds of clear errors, etc. (some 3ooo ?) to "explain" away in the Quran, it should be high time to start thinking, as no omniscient god makes errors and helpless mistakes by the hundreds and more.

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    025 7/89c: “- - - nor could we (humans*) by any manner or means return thereto (the right way*), unless it be as in the will and plan of Allah - - -:” It - according to the Quran - is Allah who decides everything in this (and in the claimed next) world, as he predestines everything according to his Plan, and you can do nothing which is not in his plan (###########which f.x. should mean that this book about the Quran is decided by Allah, and part of his Plan - thus there is no reason for Muslims to be angry with us, as it is Allah's decision that we should write it).

    ###026 7/99a: "- - - the Plan of Allah - - -". This refers to Allah's predestined running of the world and the heaven(s - 7 according to what Islam insists) and likely also Hell. It is a rigid plan with no room for changes: Allah has decided everything long ago, and that is it - nothing and nobody can change anything in it - total predestination (which in case means absolutely no room for any free will - partly like some Muslims try to explain it away with or total. And in a way worse and never - never - mentioned by Muslims: Also there is no room for prayers in spite of what the Quran insists - if absolutely nothing can change the predestined Plan of Allah, also prayers can change nothing, and is just a waste of time and effort, and the same goes for forgiving, as both means changes in Allah's Plan). You meet this Plan many places in the Quran.

    027 7/183: "My (Allah's) scheme (Plan*) is strong (and unfailing) - - -". Allah has already decided everything - the predestination has locked anything that is going to happen. Nothing can change it - Allah's Plan is too strong.

    028 7/188a: "- - - except as Allah willeth". The predestination - nothing can happen except as Allah will. (But where then is the claimed free will of man?)

    029 9/85a "Allah's Plan - - -". Allah predestines everything, and he does it according to his Plan - a plan nobody and nothing can change. But how can he then punish man for sins Allah himself has planned and forced man to do? - Full predestination means no free will for man, no matter what the Quran claims - even Islam has given in explaining how both can be possible (A6/141) - and then: How can Allah punish for what man is forced to do? Also: Has prayer any meaning when Allah already has decided the outcome? And forgiving is an illusion.

    As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

    Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

    #####030 10/64b: “- - - in the life of the Present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah”. What Allah decides is final - pure predestination and according to his unchangeable Plan. And many things he decides early – f.x. the day of your death and whether you will end in Hell or Heaven is (according to Hadiths) decided 5 months before you are born. And remember: According to the Quran Allah's predestined Plan is impossible to change by anyone or anything, like said here. Good or bad deeds, prayers or whatever - nothing can change Allah's predestined Plan, according to the Quran.

    As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

    Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

    031 10/98d: "When they (the people of Nineveh*) believed, We (here indicated to be Allah*) removed from them the Penalty of Ignominy - - -". How was that possible if Allah has everything predestined according to his Plan, which nobody and nothing can change?

    032 11/76d: "- - - a Penalty that cannot be turned back!" What Allah has decided and predestined according to his Plan, nobody and nothing can change, according to the Quran.

    033 12/76e: "Thus did We (Allah*) plan for Joseph". To plan this did not need any god.

    034 13/2j: "He (Allah*) doth regulate all affairs - - -". = Allah decides everything (and this he does by predestining every detail in life and in the world according to his unchangeable Plan according to other verses in the Quran.

    035 13/11b: "Verily (this definitely is no proved verity/truth*) never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it themselves (with their own souls) - - -". But how can they change anything themselves, if it is true that Allah decides absolutely everything and according to an unchangeable Plan, like the Quran states many places? (For Muhammad it was essential to make Allah seem fair, by claiming that man had free will and thus himself was to blame for bad deeds. But the good Muhammad was never able to combine this with another claim he needed to have many and daring warriors; predestination. Even Islam admits it is not possible to combine the two (but claims very lamely, that all the same it must be true as it is said so in the Quran - it is beyond the incredible what believers are able to believe, if they just want to believe it (if it is Iblis/the Devil who is behind the Quran, perhaps he knew what he did anyhow.)

    036 #### 13/42a: “- - - but in all things the master planning is Allah’s.” Allah is the one that decides in reality. This is one of the verses Islam and Muslims have founded the rules for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), and Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing) on - the moral alibi and explanation for it. When Allah could device plots, also his followers could and can do so.

    Just for the record: Al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), and Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing) can be used at least in these cases (for deceit, broken oaths, etc. there are given no real limitations if the broken oath or deceit, etc. will give a better result. By implication this also goes for ordinary words and promises, as an oath is something stronger than a normal words and promise):

    1. To save your or others' health or life.
    2. To get out of a tight spot or a dangerous problem.
    3. To make peace in a family.
    4. When it will give a better result than honesty or honoring one’s word/promise/oath.
    5. To cheat women (should be remembered by girls with Muslim boyfriends wanting sex - or wanting a marriage to get residence permit in a rich country.)
    6. To deceive opponents/enemies.
    7. To betray enemies.
    8. To secure one’s money (very clear from Hadiths).
    9. To defend Islam. (Not only permitted, but advised if necessary to succeed.)
    10. To promote Islam. (Not only permitted, but advised if necessary to succeed.)

     

    But al-Taqiyya, etc. is a double-edged sword: In the short run you may cheat and deceive some ones – actually also in the long run if the opposite part does not know about this side of Muslims and of Islam, or if he/she is naïve. But in the long run the main effect is that no word from Muslims or from Islam as an institution is reliable.

    You find no acceptance of any of these kinds of dishonesty from Jesus or from Yahweh.

    037 16/61e: "- - - when their (people's*) (predestined*) Term expires, they would not be able to delay (the punishment) for a single hour - - -". Allah's predestinations are absolute - nothing can change it. (Then why f.x. pray to Allah when in difficulties? - Allah already has decided what is going to happen, and nothing can change his decisions.) Also remember this when Islam talks about free will for man - see 3/154 and 14/22b above.

    038 16/63d: "- - - but Satan made, (to the wicked), their own acts seem alluring - - -". But how could this happen, when the Quran so clearly states that Allah decides - even predestines and according to his unchangeable Plan - everything? Remember that free will for man is one of the things not possible even for an omnipotent god if there is full predestination - not even limited free will. (This is one more claim which is wrong in the Quran). See 14/22b above.

    May the fact that many morally bad things/deeds are morally ok/alluring in the Quran, indicate that the book really is from Satan?

    ##039 18/27e: “- - - the Book (the Quran) of thy Lord (Allah*): none can change His Words (the Quran*) - - -”. Wrong. Reality can change the words when the words are wrong. And many verses were abrogated (“We (Allah*) sends another as good or better”) - a few even by Hadiths - not to mention that the whole religion was changed in and after 622 AD from peaceful to war and hate and stealing and rape. Islam cannot admit this change, because it will expose mistakes in the religion, but people are able to read, and it is easy to find it in the Quran.

    But how come that likely the most frequently used way to try to explain away errors, contradictions, etc., etc. in the Quran, is by claiming that Allah has used wrong worse and really means something different from what the words really say? Such claims in reality is to change the words of the Quran - to corrupt it.

    040 18/27f: "- - - none can change His (Allah's*) words - - -". This in reality refers to Allah's claimed predestination and Plan. Allah predestines absolutely everything, and does so according to a Plan he has, and nothing can change that Plan . If this is true, man has no free will, and Allah in case is extremely unjust and sadistic to punish humans for things he has forced them to do - - - and it also is meaningless to pray to Allah for help, because his predestinations and his Plan nothing and nobody can change. (Free will for humans one tries to explain with that it must be true anyhow, as Allah says so in the Quran. Occultism and sorcery + naivety and blind wishful thinking. Well, why it anyhow pays to pray to Allah when nothing can change his predestined Plan anyhow, we have never seen explained.

    041 18/59b: “- - - We (Allah*) fixed an appointed time for their destruction”. Predestination. Humans may do this or that, but Allah decides.

    042 19/4e: "Praying (here wrongly indicated to Allah*) - - -". Why pray to Allah if everything is predestined, like the Quran states many places? Nobody and nothing can change Allah's predestined plan, so what is then the idea with prayers?

    As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

    Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

    043 19/83b: "Seest thou (Muhammad/Muslims*) not that We (Allah*) have set the Satan against the Unbelievers, to incite them with fury?". An interesting claim - impossible if Allah does not exist, and doubly possible if he exists and belongs to the dark forces (if he is behind the Quran and all its errors, he at least is no god).

    044 19/84: "- - - We (Allah*) but count out to them a (limited) number (of days)". Once more the predestination - Allah has decided how long - or short - they are to live (according to Hadiths he does so 5 months before you are born, and at the same time he decides if you are going to end in Heaven or Hell). And if non-Muslims live a good life; remember that this only is for a short time, and sooth yourself: They will be strictly punished in the next life.

    045 20/129a: “Had it not been for a Word that went forth before from thy (Muslims‘*) Lord (Allah*), (their punishment) must necessarily have come; but there is a Term appointed (for respite)”. Allah has decided the time (according to his Plan), and cannot change it - may be to give the culprits a chance to become Muslims, but other places the Quran tells Allah makes it hard or impossible for some non-Muslims to find the way to Allah. Predestination.

    046 20/129b: "- - - a term appointed - - -". Predestination again. Allah predestines every detail in your and everybody's life - included for all animals and all inanimate existence. And the predestination is not possible to change as it is done according to Allah's Plan, which "nobody and nothing can change".

    047 22/14h: "- - - for Allah carries out all that He plans". Allah plans and no-one can change his plans. Predestination is central in the Quran, and especially in the later (chronologically) surahs.

    ##048 22/41g: "- - - with Allah rests the end (and decision) of (all) affairs". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells that Yahweh decides some, and man with his real free will decides some - and nature and its living beings decides some. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

    Predestination - the end rests with Allah because he has predestined everything (according to the Quran Allah predestines everything, and he does so according to his Plan which nothing and nobody can change - also this according to several points in the Quran.)

    049 24/57a: "Never think thou that the Unbelievers are going to frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth - - -". The Quran makes it very clear many places the Allah predestines absolutely everything, that the predestinations are made according to his Plan, and that nobody or nothing can change his Plan (by the way: Why then spill time and energy on praying to him for help or a better future, if everything is predestined already and nothing can change his Plan?).

    It also is very clear that the goal is total world dominance.

    050 24/57b: "- - - (Allah's Plan) - - -". According to many places in the Quran, Allah predestines absolutely everything in this world - it was the only world Muhammad knew about, though he spoke about 6 others, too (65/12). This predestination is absolute, and nobody and nothing can change anything. Everything also is predestined long time before - the time of your death and whether you are going to end in Hell or Heaven (!) are f.x. predestined when you are a 4 months old fetus - 5 months before it is born. And everything is predestined in accordance with Allah's Plan, which nobody and nothing can change. (What about free will for man or effect of prayers or forgiving?)

    #####051 29/22a: “Not on earth nor in heaven will ye be able (fleeing) to frustrate (His Plan) - - -“. Predestination. No-one can change what Allah has destined in his Plan. What then about the effect of prayers? - or forgiving? - and what about free will for man? - not to mention: What then about man's moral responsibility for his words and deeds?

    As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

    Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

    052 39/51d: "- - - and they ("wrongdoers"*) will never be able to frustrate (our (Allah's*) Plan)". The predestination again: Allah decides everything and nothing can change his decisions and Plan.

    053 39/51e: "- - - (our (Allah's*) Plan) - - -". Allah has made a Plan for everything which is going to happen in the entire future, and he predestines everything according to this plan. If this is true, out of the window goes even the smallest morsel of man's claimed free will - - - and in comes a question Islam is not able to meet: How can Allah punish - and reward - humans for their deeds, if he himself has predestined everything? Islam tries to cover this problem by means of mysticism ("partly free will" which the laws of chaos make as destroying for predestination and precognition as full free will - or: "it is just that humans cannot understand how the combination of Allah's deciding of everything and man's free will is possible" - but in the immaterial parts of existence there are things impossible even for an omnipotent god), but the combination simply is not possible.

    054 46/32b: "- - - cannot frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth - - -". Again the predestination and Allah’s Plan which nobody and nothing can change - what Allah has planned and decided, nobody and nothing can change.

    #####055 47/31d: This verse - and quite a number of others - does not give meaning if Allah is omniscient and knows everything. If he is omniscient, he also knows everything about you. Not to mention if he on top of all predestines everything, so that you just are a puppet in a puppet theatre, reacting to his Plan only.

    But if this is Muhammad needing an explanation for why he sends warriors out to steal and enslave and enlarge his power, then suddenly tales like these are logical - if his followers were naive enough or blind enough.

    056 68/45c: "- - - My (Allah's*) Plan". A reference to Allah's Master Plan where everything is decided, and where nobody can change even the smallest detail - unless also that is in accordance with Allah's Plan.

    057 70/41: "- - - (- - - Our (Allah's*) Plan)". Allah has anything - even the smallest details - planned and predestined.

    058 71/4d: "- - - when the Term given by God (here Allah*) is accomplished, it cannot be put forward". When Allah has predestined something and made it part of his Plan, nothing and nobody can change it - what Allah has predestined, cannot be changed. (Then why f.x. prayers, as nothing can change his predestinations according to the Quran?)

    As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)

    Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)

    ####059 +++ 86/16:## "And I (Allah*) am planning a scheme". This is one of the verses behind the dishonesty in Islam - al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing) - not to mention "war is deceit" and "break your oath if that will give a better result" - and pay expiation in bad cases. (f.x. 2/225a (thoughtless oaths),5/89a+b (expiation for deliberate oaths), 16/91e (oaths are not a problem unless you confirm them - then you should not break them (expiation is necessary in case)), 66/2a (the dissolution of your oaths (the translator has added "in some cases"), and the star case in 3/54 - if Allah can deceive, there of course is nothing immoral in doing so if there is a reason. And this view on deceit existed in Islam at least as early as in 614 AD when this surah is dated. Also see 2/26h, 3/54, 3/120, 4/142a, 8/30, 10/21b, 13/42a, and 27/50 above.

    Just for the record: Al-Taqiyya, Kitman, and Hilah can be used at least in these cases (for broken oaths there are given no real limitations if the broken oath will give a better result. By implication this also goes for ordinary promises, as an oath is something stronger than a normal promise):

    1. To save your or others' health or life.
    2. To get out of a tight spot or a dangerous problem.
    3. To make peace in a family.
    4. When it will give a better result than honesty or honoring one’s oath.
    5. To cheat women (should be remembered by girls with Muslim boyfriends wanting sex - or wanting a marriage to get residence permit in a rich country.)
    6. To deceive opponents/enemies.
    7. To betray enemies.
    8. To secure one’s money (very clear from Hadiths).
    9. To defend Islam. (Ought to be used if necessary to succeed.)
    10. To promote Islam. (Ought to be used if necessary to succeed - should be remembered by proselytes.)

     

    But al-Taqiyya is a double-edged sword: In the short run you may cheat and deceive some ones – actually also in the long run if the opposite part does not know about this side of Muslims and of Islam, or if he/she is naïve.

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    It also is pretty thought provoking that f.x. all the errors, contradictions, wrong facts, etc., only and alone, in the Quran, prove 100% that there is no god behind that book. And that f.x. the fact that Jesus accepted OT as correct, proves to both Christians and Muslims that the OT was not falsified at that time - and that the Qumran scrolls prove that even OT was not falsified any time later, too.

    It further is an insult to that possible god to "explain" that his texts means something different from what they really says = you are more clever than him at explaining what the god "really" meant, than the god is himself, even when he tries to explain things "clearly and easy to understand", and says his words are to be understood literally and without hidden meanings. Also only "the sick of heart" look for hidden meanings behind his words, according to the Quran - the very claimed hidden meanings the wise Muslims claim are what Allah really meant, but was unable to express clearly himself, so that they have to help the bumbling god and tell what he "really" tried to say. This in spite of that the Quran clearly states that meanings hidden behind Allah's clear and easy to understand words, only are possible for Allah to understand, and like said above are "only for the sick of heart" to look for.

    May be as bad: To claim that the Quran means something different from what the texts clearly say, is to falsify and corrupt the quranic texts.

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