Allah in the Quran, Chapter 6
01 Jan 2015
ALLAH THE SAME GOD AS YAHWEH?
A short list.
Also see next chapter.
001 2/139a: “Will ye (Jews and Christians) dispute with us about Allah, seeing that He is our Lord and your Lord - - -”. Muhammad used to and Islam likes to pretend or state without any proof that Allah and Yahweh/God is the same god. But both the gods and their teachings are very different - as said before, especially if you compare the bloody god of war Allah was turned into in and after 622 AD, after Muhammad started to need warriors for highwaymen and later for wars, with the far milder and more benevolent God/Yahweh we meet in NT. The Quran makes a lot of statements about among other things this, but not one single proof, even though it should be easy for Allah to prove something - at least his own existence. Besides: Read history (drop glorifying propaganda and judge from acts and deeds and demands and introduced rules of moral, etc.- compare to "do against others like you want others do against you") - read Muslim history like ibn Ishaq if you want - and the Hadiths, and also the Quran, and see what kind of a man Muhammad really was! We do not accept the word of a man with that kind of moral and ethical standards, without proofs - there has to be limits to being naïve. And there only are his never proved claims for that Yahweh and Allah was/is the same god. Also: Contradiction to the Bible.
002 Even more essential: Yahweh and Allah are far too different - and too deeply different - to be the same god. Also their teachings are far too different and too deeply different - they do not come from the same god. And further f.x. their moral codes also are far too different and too fundamentally different to come from the same god.
003 These deep differences prove far more than 100% that this never proved claim from Muhammad and from the Quran is wrong - - - unless the god is deeply schizophrenic. Yahweh and Allah - if they exist, they are two very different gods.
004 If Islam or Muslims disagree, they first will have to prove that Allah exists, and that he and the Quran are not made up fairy tales, and then that Allah is so different from how he is described in the Quran, that he may be Yahweh all the same. (As the Bible is proved not falsified, Yahweh - and Jesus - may be correctly described there.)
005 Yahweh and Allah like described in the old books, and especially like Yahweh stands forth in NT, are so different, that they only can be the same god if that god is deeply schizophrenic. The old books simply prove this by many and strong circumstantial and empirical proofs.
############################### Another - and serious - point is that to "explain" that the Quran means something different from what it really says, is to corrupt it.
Also: What is sure, is that no god ever made a holy book as full of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, unclear language, etc. like the Quran. ###############Besides: Which one of the 20-30 known versions accepted by Islam of the Quran (see 15/9c) - if any (and there were even more versions through the times) - is in case the correct one?
Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable is that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?
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006 2/125m: "- - - My (Allah's*) House (the Kabah mosque in Mecca*). Never mentioned in the Bible, which it should have been if it was the central point on Earth also for Yahweh. The difference in religious position of the Kabah for the two gods, is one of the proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. If they were the same god, Kabah's religious position had been the same for Yahweh and for Allah.
007 2/133b: (The sons of Jacob promised him before he died): "- - - the One (True) God (Allah*): to Him we bow (in Islam)". One more contradiction to the Bible. Further comments unnecessary - except: See 2/132c+d above.
008 2/139a: “Will ye (Jews and Christians) dispute with us about Allah, seeing that He is our Lord and your Lord - - -”. Islam likes to pretend or state without any proof, that Allah and Yahweh/God is the same god. But both the gods and their teachings are very different - as said before; especially if you compare the bloody god of war Allah was turned into in and after 622 AD, after Muhammad came to need warriors for highwaymen and later for wars, with the far milder and more benevolent God we meet in NT. The Quran makes a lot of statements, but not one single proof, even though it should be easy for Allah to prove something - at least his own existence. Besides: Read history (drop glorifying propaganda and judge from acts and deeds and demands and introduced rules of moral, etc.- compare to "do against others like you want others do against you") - read Muslim historians like ibn Ishaq, if you want - and the Hadiths, and also the Quran, and see what kind of a man Muhammad really was! We do not accept the word of a man with that kind of moral and ethical standards, included his acceptance of the use of dishonesty if that gave a better result, without proofs - there has to be limits to being naïve. Also: Contradiction to the Bible.
Yahweh and Allah like described in the old books, and especially like Yahweh stands forth in NT, are so different, that they only can be the same god if that god is deeply schizophrenic. Like said above: The old books simply prove this by many and strong circumstantial and empirical proofs - so many that they together make a proof of mathematical strength.
009 2/139b: "- - - seeing that He (Allah*) is our (Muslim's*) Lord and your (non-Muslim's*) Lord - - -". At least for Jews and Christians this is impossible to see, as Yahweh and Allah provably are not the same god. Also see 2/139a just above and 29/46ec below.
010 2/139c: “- - - (Allah*) is our (Muslims’*) Lord and your (non-Muslim’s*) Lord - - -“. As this claim only is based on other, not proved claims, and especially as there exist other explanations than Islam's, where at least some - f.x. about Yahweh - are based on stronger traditions, this is an invalid statement, unless it is proved. After all if the old books tell the truth, the Bible proves a number of things concerning Yahweh, whereas the Quran was unable to prove even a comma. Plus: Severe contradiction to the Bible plus fundamentally different teachings, moral codes, etc., prove that Allah cannot be the same god as Yahweh - fundamentally too different. Also see 29/46ec below.
011 2/139d: “- - - (Allah*) is our (Muslims’*) Lord and your (non-Muslim’s*) Lord - - -“. Contradicted by the Bible, where it is Yahweh/God who is the god for Jews and Christians at least. And perhaps in reality for all others. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs. As it stands now, the old books prove that Yahweh and Allah - and their teachings - are too different - yes, antipodes in several ways, "the god of love" vs. "a god of apartheid and war" - to be the same god.
#########012 2/225a: “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your heart”. If you swear an oath without thinking it over - or not enough over – you are not bound by it. But how are other people to know if the oath you have made is binding for you or not - or if you will break it? Besides; you may break also a more serious oath if that will give a better result, but you may have to pay expiation to Allah for it. See f.x. 2/224e-f above.
One of the proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. According to Yahweh you preferably shall not swear at all, but if you do, you are bound by your oath.
Besides: Any Muslim can break any oath, no matter how strong and how seriously meant, "if that gives a better result" - pay expiation afterwards if necessary. This also goes for other words and promises, as words and promises are weaker than oaths.
013 2/229e: "These are the limits ordained by Allah - - -". If Allah had ordained limits, those limits at least should have been given also in the Bible if Allah had been the same god as Yahweh - and remember here that both science and Islam has proved the Bible is not falsified, so that falsification cannot be the explanation why it is not in the Bible. (Besides: It is the Muslims who claim the Bible is falsified, and thus it is the Muslims' job to prove their claim - which they have never done.)
An even more serious point: As the Quran is not from any god - no god males that many and that serious wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, etc. - who did really make those limitations?
014 2/246e: "- - - fight in the cause of Allah". Not in the Bible, as not even "- - - in the cause of Yahweh" is found there, yes, nowhere except in figurative meaning. There is no demand for war in the cause of the god in the Bible. Incompatible with especially NT. Not the same religion. Not the same god. Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion. This is one of the MANY proofs for these points.
There were some fighting in OT, but in the cause of the Jews or in the cause of their land, not in the cause of the god or in the cause of spreading his religion.
015 2/255a: "There is no god but He (Allah*) - - -". (Also see 6/106b and 25/18a below). But:
- Both according to the Quran and to the Bible the old Jewish god (Yahweh) existed.
- Both according to the Quran and to the Bible Yahweh has proved his existence and his power many times, included via Jesus - there (according to both books if one or both of them tells the truth on this point) is no doubt about his existence and his power.
- The Quran claims that Allah and Yahweh is the same god. But this is not true, as the teachings fundamentally are far too different, especially if you compare the Quran with NT and the New Covenant via Jesus - a covenant Muslims never are told about by their imams or mullahs (f.x. Luke 22/20). The same goes for the underlying ethics and moral (parts of it is very twisted and different in the Quran from the most basic rule;"do onto others what you want others do onto you") and the stressing in especially NT of the value of empathy and love (empathy with and love of your fellow humans hardly are to be found in the Quran, and non-existing towards victims and non-Muslims), etc., not to mention that this also goes for the view on thieving (looting), lying (f.x. al-Taqiyya - the lawful lie), killing, etc. - not to be found in NT. The only possibility for the two to be the same god, is if the god is strongly schizophrenic. (See separate chapter about this in http://www.1000mistakes.com (planned completed in the final edition in 2016 or 2017, and copied in this book). Demand proofs from the next Muslim telling you that Yahweh is the same god as Allah.
- The Quran tries to explain away the differences between the Bible and the Quran, and thus the differences in the teachings, by claiming - like normal for Muhammad without a single document or proof - that the Bible is falsified. But this is not true, as science long since has proved by many and strong circumstantial and empirical proofs that there is no falsification. May be some mistakes - f.x. in Genesis - but no falsification. What is even more convincing is the fact that also Islam has proved the same, and most strongly, by not being able to find one single documented falsification among all the tens of thousands relevant old manuscripts.(There exist some 300 copies or fragments of the Gospels older than 610 AD, 13ooo other manuscripts or fragments from other parts of the Bible and 32ooo other documents/fragments with quotes or references from the Bible, from before 610 AD (before that there was no reason to falsify anything to expel Islamic teaching) - parts of this also older than 325 AD and council that year in Nicaea. (The number of copies and fragments can vary some from one source to another, but around these ones.) All have exactly the same and invariable texts within minor variations normal for hand-copied documents, and not one shows any traces of being tampered with - falsified - in ways that modern science can find. And modern science is good at finding falsifications, as it is a frequent kind of crime. No scratching out of text, no other tries of removing old text, no putting in new words, no new words written with another kind of ink, no new words with another handwriting, etc. Islam also never even has tried to explain how it could be possible to make identical falsifications in 40-45ooo and more different manuscripts spread over the whole known world and wider - and how it was possible for Jews and Christians to agree on identical falsifications. Muslims often claim the falsifications of OT were done by Ezra around 440 BC (impossible as the very central prophet Jesus accepted the old scriptures as correct 500-600 years later), and that the falsifications in NT were done at the mentioned meeting of bishops in Nicaea in 325 AD. But for one thing the agenda for that meeting is well known, and nothing like this was on that agenda. For another ting a lot of manuscripts are older than 325 AD exist (f.x. the Qumran scrolls) - not one of them falsified. And for a third: It is exactly as difficult to get bishops change the Bible, as it is to make ayatollahs change the Quran. (Muslims also claims that the OT was falsified when it "had to be rewritten" (by Ezra - see above). But for one thing not all Jews were deported to Babylon (f.x. 2. Kings 25/12), and you bet the ones who remained, took care of their holy scriptures - religion is a comfort in difficult times. And for another thing also the Jews in exile had managed to keep some copies of the scriptures. And for a third: Jews lived in many countries also at that time, and in each and every synagogue there always was and is at least one copy of the scriptures - in addition to what was owned by members of the congregations. (F.x. Ezra "was a teacher well versed in the Laws of Moses" = the Books of Moses (Ezra 7/6) - which meant they had the books) The OT simply never was rewritten - there never was a reason for that.) There simply never were any falsifications of any part of the Bible - like proved by science. But it is as said even better proved by Islam: If there had existed one single falsification, Islam had found it and screamed about it. Nobody has ever heard such a scream.
- ######And there is one more proof for that at least OT was not falsified - indirect, but very strong: The - according to the Quran - good Muslim Jesus for 3 years went around from synagogue to synagogue, read from and taught the congregations from the old scriptures in those synagogues. If the according to the Quran good Muslim and - according to both the Bible and the Quran - very central prophet Jesus had found falsifications, he had protested loudly and strongly. There is not reported any such case neither in the Bible, nor in the Quran, nor as far as we know in the Hadiths. An indirect, but most strong proof for that the Bible cannot have been falsified until after the death of Jesus in 33 AD - and relevant science knows for sure that it has not been falsified later (as the texts in the modern OT are the same as in known texts from before 33 AD - f.x. the Qumran scrolls), this in spite of Muhammad's many, but never proved claims. (Muhammad did not know the Bible, but took his "Biblical" stuff from legends, made up apocryphal stories, etc. The result was that what he claimed the Bible told, often differed from what the book really told - and the only way for Muhammad to save his new religion and platform of power then was to claim that the Bible was falsified. (He never even tried to prove his claim.)
- As Yahweh clearly existed, if the old books tell the truth, and as clearly was/is not the same god as Allah, and as Islam's "explanation" ("falsification") is wrong, Islam here has a problem when claiming there only is one god, Allah. Even if we omit all other (claimed) gods, there still remains Yahweh, whose existence they have admitted, and who by far is too different from Allah to be the same god, in spite of Muhammad's never proved claims.
- This problem grows even more interesting when one remember that Yahweh has proved his existence and power many times if either the Bible or the Quran or both tell the truth on this point, whereas Allah has proved exactly nothing - there only are words and claims from a man with a very doubtful moral (even according to Muslim books, included the Quran - take away the glorious words and see what remains) behind the claims for Allah's existence and power.
- And: If there then exists one, but only one god - who is most likely to exist? - Yahweh or Allah?
- But what is provably clear from the old books, is that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god - not unless that god was strongly schizophrenic.
We repeat because this is so essential:
Some Muslims as mentioned claim Ezra falsified OT, but in addition to other facts:
THERE IS ONE STRONG FACT CONNECTED TO JESUS AND THE OTHER OLD JEWISH PROPHETS: ACCORDING TO THE QURAN THEY ALL WERE GOD MUSLIMS - AN IMPOSSIBILITY FOR THE ONES AFTER EZRA (around 540 BC) IF THEIR CLAIMED HOLY BOOKS FROM ALLAH WERE FALSIFIED. THUS THE CLAIMED FALSIFICATION OF ALSO OT CANNOT HAVE HAPPENED UNTIL AFTER JESUS (F.X. EZRA COULD NOT HAVE FALSIFIED OT, LIKE SOME MUSLIMS CLAIM - IF HE HAD, JESUS HAD RECEIVED WRONG INFORMATION AND HAD BEEN NO GOOD MUSLIM). THIS IN ADDITION TO THAT THE BOOKS WERE SENT DOWN (DIRECTLY) FROM ALLAH TO THE PROPHETS, ACCORDING TO THE QURAN, AND ERRORS IN THEM THEREFORE SHOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE. ALL THE OLD GOOD MUSLIM PROPHETS INCLUDED JESUS THUS MUST HAVE HAD CORRECT HOLY BOOKS - THE OLD JEWISH SCRIPTURES/OT. IF NOT F.X. JESUS HAD BEEN TEACHING WRONG THINGS, WHICH HE DID NOT DO ACCORDING TO THE QURAN (and if the scrolls he read from in the synagogues had differed from what he received from Heaven, he had told about it - if not he was a bad Muslim). THE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION HERE IS THAT ALSO NO PART OF THE OLD SCRIPTURES - OT - CAN HAVE BEEN FALSIFIED UNTIL AFTER JESUS TIME = AFTER THE YEAR 33 AD..
BUT THERE EXIST PLENTY OF MANUSCRIPTS AND FRAGMENTS OLD ENOUGH TO PROVE THAT O.T. WAS NOT SIMILAR TO THE QURAN AT THAT TIME!!! IT WAS SIMILAR TO THE SCRIPTURES OF TODAY!!! (Look f.x. at the Qumran scrolls - the Biblical parts of them are from 150 - 50 BC, and thus identical to the ones Jesus used - - - and identical to what you find in today's OT (except minor differences normal for hand copied scriptures)).
In addition there is the problem: How in case make Jews and Christians and different sects agree on what new texts to use when they falsified (parts of) the Quran into OT??? And how to make ALL Jews spread over large parts of the world unprotestingly accept the new and falsified holy scriptures - and destroy all the old copies so thoroughly that not one piece of any of them has been found later? This in addition to the claimed falsification of NT and all the impossibilities and improbabilities which have to be "explained" away concerning the claimed falsification of NT.
Not to forget: It was and is exactly as easy to make bishops, etc. agreeing on falsification of the Bible as it was/is to make Muslim religious leaders agree on falsifying the Quran - and for similar reasons.
THIS IS ONE OF THE CLAIMS MUHAMMAD MADE UP.
016 3/2a: "There is no god but He (Allah*)". Well, what is for sure is that Allah is not the same god as Yahweh (if any of them exists) - the teachings are fundamentally too different. (The only possibility is if the god is strongly schizophrenic.) Also see 2/225a above and 6/106b and 25/18a below. Another thing which is for sure, is that the existence of Allah was and is never proved. And a third: The only basis for the claims about Allah, is the word of a man who would be accepted by no court in any real democracy, as a reliable witness, as he believed in the use of lies (al-Taqiyya - the lawful lie, Kitman - the lawful half-truth, etc.), deception and even the breaking of words and oaths, but pay expiation if necessary (2/225a above, 5/89a+b, 16/91e, 66/2a below). (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)
Both the Bible and the Quran states that the old Jewish and Christian god existed, even though the Quran wrongly mixes him up with Allah (the question of other gods - f.x. the Hindu ones - we omit here, even though Muslim "proof-hunters" claim to find proofs for Islam f.x. also in religious Hindu tales (and thus confirm that the Hindu gods must exist - if not those gods' revelations could not be true, and thus could not prove anything about Islam)). Thus there are at least two, Yahweh and Allah - - - if Allah exists (the chance or that Yahweh exists is better). And two very different gods, especially like you meet Yahweh in NT: "The god of love" vs. "a god of war".
####017 3/54b: ”- - - and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.” This verse is one of the verses the Muslim phenomena al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), and Hilah (the lawful pretending or circumventing - "the dishonesty in disguise") are based on – when Allah can “plot and plan” (indicating using dishonest means), of course his followers can do the same as long as it is not forbidden – which it is not. Also see 2/224e-f, 2/225a, 4/142a, 8/30, 10/21b, 13/42, 27/50, and 86/16 - dishonesty as a policy is one of the fundamental rules in the Quran's moral - or immoral - code. Al-Taqiyya, Kitman, and Hilah are permitted in 8 - 10 wide cases, and advised "if necessary" in 2: To defend and to promote Islam. Worth remembering for Muslims and non-Muslims alike; what is true and what is not true in Muslims' arguments about such things? And how much is true in a religion partly relying on dishonesty? - - - and what then about its claimed prophet, Muhammad? - how much of his words are Kitmans or al-Taqiyyas or deceit, etc.? (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)
Just for the record: Al-Taqiyya, Kitman, and Hilah can be used at least in the cases listed below (for broken oaths there are given no real limitations - if the broken oath will give a better result, then use it. By implication this also goes for ordinary promises, as an oath is something stronger than a normal promise. Also for deceit there are given no real limits. Muhammad said according to f.x. ibn Ishaq, "The life of Muhammad", that "war is deceit" - and according to many Muslims "anything" is war (according to Islam also everything outside Islamic lands are "area of war"), and in war, you shall use any means to win, according to the Quran):
- 1. To save your or others' health or life.
- 2. To get out of a tight spot or a dangerous problem.
- 3. To make peace in a family.
- 4. When it will give a better result than honesty or honoring one’s word or oath.
- 5. To cheat women (should be remembered by girls with Muslim boyfriends wanting sex - or wanting a marriage to get residence permit in a rich country.)
- 6. To deceive opponents/enemies.
- 7. To betray enemies.
- 8. To secure one’s money (very clear from Hadiths).
- 9. To defend Islam. (Advised if necessary to succeed.)
- 10. To promote Islam. (Advised if necessary to succeed.)
But al-Taqiyya, etc. is a double-edged sword: In the short run you may cheat and deceive some ones – actually also in the long run if the opposite part does not know about this side of Muslims and of Islam, or if he/she is naïve or brain washed or wishes to believe.
But in the long run the surroundings learn that it is impossible quite to trust a Muslim in serious questions: When is he speaking the honest truth and when is he using an al-Taqiyya or some other kind of "lawful" dishonesty? - lawful at least according to the Quran and to the Sharia laws.
DO YOU WONDER WHY ISLAM AND ITS MUSLIMS SO SELDOM USE THE CLAIM "ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF HONE STY"?
018 3/64d: “- - - that we (Muslims and Jews/Christians*) worship none but Allah (= Yahweh and Allah is claimed to be the same god*)”. Wrong. This is not possible as the fundamental differences between the Quran and the Bible/NT are too big and too many – not unless the god is schizophrenic. Mainly only Muslims say this – and they will have to bring strong proofs to be believed by us.
Which raises the question: Are Muhammad and his Arabs really descendants from Abraham (and thus earlier of the same religion)? At least they in case only are maximum quarter breeds, as Ishmael’s mother, Hagar, was a slave from Egypt (1. Mos. 16/1), and also his wife (only one is mentioned) was from Egypt (also according to the Bible, written and unabridged since more than 1000 years before Muhammad – 1. Mos.21/20). Well, worse than that: Modern DNA analysis has showed that the pure Arab does not exist. Arabia is on a crossroad – caravans and merchants have passed through - - - and left babies behind now and then (remember that before Muhammad in Arabia sex and alcohol were “the two delightful things”). And Arab caravans and traders roamed wide – and now and then brought back brides from abroad. And finally the perhaps main reason for the diluted blood: The slaves. Literally millions of slaves from Africa and other places – some 2/3 of them women – have through the times been brought to Arabia, both before and after Muhammad. And the women of the harems – do you think they were permitted to demand condoms? It is impossible to say there are not traces of DNA from Abraham in Arabs – perhaps via Jewish slave women? But any scientist will say that the chances for finding much more DNA from Abraham (if he ever existed) in Jews than in Arabs are big, because the Jews mostly have been intermarrying because of the excluding religion. Arabs? Diluted blood and hardly any traces of Abraham - none if the Bible tells the truth when it tells that Ishmael settled near the border of Egypt (1. Mos. 25/18 - and there was no reason for him who wrote 1. Mos. not to tell the truth), or if science is correct when it says that "it is very unlikely Abraham ever visited Mecca". Blood from Abraham in Arabs? Small parts of milliliters in case. Blood in Arabs from f.x. Negro slaves? One or a few deciliters in each Arab.
####019 29/46f: “- - - our (Muslims*) and your (Jews and Christians*) god is one - - -”. This is not correct unless he is schizophrenic, as too many fundamental aspects are too different between the two teachings. To mention a few points (there are MANY more):
|Islam:||The New Testament:|
|Do not kill without a good reason.||Do not kill.|
|To wage war is a religious duty.||Do not kill.|
|An eye for an eye.||Turn the other cheek.|
|You cannot carry another’s burden.||Carry your fellow man’s burden.|
|Religion shall run the country.||My land is not of this world.|
|Be killed for Allah and go to Paradise.||Become like a child to go to Paradise.|
|Paradise = Earth-like luxury plus women||Paradise = Heaven for your soul.|
|(for women = Earth-luxury and a share of the husband).||(for women = Heaven for your soul.)|
|Paradise = resurrected body.||Paradise = the soul lives on.|
|Do not lie except for good reason.||Do not lie.|
|Do not mourn the unbeliever.||“The lost lamb”.|
|Break an oath and pay expiation for it if necessary.||To break any oat is a severe sin.|
|Al-Taqiyya – Muslims’ lawful lie.||Do not lie.|
|Kitman - Muslims' lawful half-truth.||Do not lie.|
|Hilah - Muslims' lawful pretending/circumventing”.||Do not lie.|
|"War is deceit” - and "everything" is holy war.||Do not lie.|
|To rob and steal may be “lawful and good” and a duty.||Do not steal.|
|To rape a female slave is “lawful and good”.||So immoral that it is not even mentioned.|
|Help others to gain merit in heaven.||Help others because they need it – and gain merit in heaven.|
*A similar sentence exists also in Islam (in Hadiths), but it is so well hidden and forgotten and sleeping, that we never have heard it quoted even from Muslims trying to prove what a benevolent religion Islam is.
(For those who do not know: Jesus said that if someone hit you on one cheek, turn the other towards him = answer bad with good. And: Jesus said that a good shepherd would search for a lost lamb = to save a lost soul is very valuable, and there is a reason to mourn the not saved ones.)
We know both religions have been misused – though with one serious difference: Christ has been misused in contradiction to its teaching, Islam very often because of and in accordance with the Quran’s often bloody teaching and lack of real moral.
But these are some of the teachings – some of the fundamental points. And it is worth repeating here that science (and even more so Islam) has proved that the Bible is not falsified – a few mistakes, but no falsifications. This in spite of the Quran’s and Islam’s never documented claims of much falsification. Islam will have to show proofs for the claims, if they want to be believed – proofs they have been unable to find in 1400 years. (We also reminding you that the only other alternative is that something is seriously wrong with the Quran and hence with Islam, as no god makes a book full of errors, etc.). Only Islam says it is the same god - and they are wrong, as the differences between the 2 are too many and too deep, unless the god is mentally ill. Similar claims in 2/139 -3/64 – 42/13.
Also see separate chapter - hopefully to be launched in 2016 AD - in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran", Book A under http://www.1000mistakes.com .
Only Islam says that Yahweh and Allah are the same god - and they are wrong, unless the god is mentally ill.
020 3/142c: "- - - (fight*) (in His (Allah's*) Cause - - -". As the Quran with all its errors is not from any god, it is a very open question if the raids and wars were and are in Allah's cause.
Also: Similar is not to be found in the Bible - one more strong indication for that the two are not the same god.
##021 3/158a: “And if ye die, or are slain, lo! It is unto Allah that ye are brought together”. Be killed in war for Allah, and go to paradise - good “knowledge” for a warrior or terrorist. Whoever said the Quran has to be disused to justify terrorism, has hardly ever read the Quran - or uses an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie - this "convenient" Islam only phenomenon). See also 3/157b above.
022 3/167d: "- - - fight in the way of Allah - - -". Verses like this - and there are many of them in the Quran - are more or less the antithesis to NT. Yahweh and Allah the same god? You only need two letters for the answer "no".
023 3/199h: "For them (strongly believing Jews and Christians*) is a reward with their Lord, and Allah is swift in account". Here the Quran once more wrongly indicates that Yahweh and Allah is the same god, a claim which obviously is wrong, as the teachings, moral codes, etc. of those two too often and too fundamentally are too different.
But remember as for punishment and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)
024 4/74d: “To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah - whether he is slain or gets victory - soon shall we give him a reward of great (value) (= Paradise*)”. What can be a better reward - - - if it is true? And what can be a cheaper way for leaders to get warriors, than promises of payment in the next life? - especially if the religion is made up (and remember that this is likely, as the Quran with all its mistakes is from no god) and the Quran's paradise thus does not exist.
But if Yahweh and Jesus rule the perhaps next life, Muslims will not find that the gate to Heaven opens automatically. They are very different from Allah and Muhammad.
025 4/74e: “To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah - whether he is slain or gets victory - soon shall we give him a reward of great (value) (= Paradise*)". Guess if this is a contradiction to NT!!! Yahweh and Allah the same god? You NEVER find things like this in NT - NEVER - and not even in OT (there they fought for (establishing and later defending) their country, not for the god or the religion). One more of the many points which alone proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs in addition.
###026 4/76b: “Those who believe (Muslims*) fight in the cause of Allah - - -". This is about as far from NT as you can come. Allah and Yahweh the same god? One more of the many points which alone proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and then there are all the other proofs in addition.
###027 4/84c: “Then fight in Allah’s cause - - -.” This one is strongly contradicted both by OT (where one fought first to establish a country and later to defend it, and definitely not for the god), and even far more - 180 degrees opposite - by NT (which does not accept physical fighting at all - "turn the other cheek"). One of the many points in the Quran which singlehanded proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion - and then there are all the other proofs.
028 4/94f: "- - - with Allah are profits and spoils abundant". Make money on and steal from others during/after war - steal it "lawful and good". One more sentence which alone proves that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - stealing is an absolute NO in NT - and then there are all the other proofs in addition.
029 4/95+96b: “- - - those who strive hath Allah distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward – Ranks specially bestowed by Him (Allah*), and Forgiveness (for anything if you are killed in battle*) and Mercy.” The total and 180 degree difference from NT - in NT physical fighting is not accepted at all. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and one of those many proofs which each alone proves this.
But remember as for punishment and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given by Allah unless there are made changes in his the Plan, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)
030 4/131e: “- - - We (Allah*) have directed the People of the Book before you (Muslims*) - - -.” Wrong. The "People of the Book" believe in Yahweh, and Yahweh and Allah are not the same god – not unless the god is seriously ill mentally – the teachings are too different and Islam also never has been able to do anything but claiming that they are the same god – never a proof or any kind of documentation. They only show you to a book with very many mistakes, told by a very doubtful man, who also never was able to prove anything, and wrongly claim – without documentation also here – that this is a proof. After all a proof is "one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion". The "signs" and "proofs" in the Quran all are invalid (perhaps with the exception of those "borrowed" from the Bible, and which in case prove Yahweh), mostly because they do not build on proved facts, only on claims or on nothing.
0031 5/2f: "- - - Sacred Months - - -". One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - the months are sacred for Allah, but to Yahweh not interesting enough to even mention.
#032 5/2j: "- - - Sacred House - - -". The mosque Kabah in Mecca is one of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah is not the same god. There is not one chance that a god had not mentioned his most sacred place and the duties and benefits connected to it, to his strongly believing followers relatively nearby - f.x. to Abraham and Moses or a powerful king like David, who could have tried to conquer the area to get it into his country. But neither the Kabah nor Mecca is mentioned even one single time in the entire Bible.
033 5/5l: "- - - dower - - -". There is no demand for dower in the NT - one more contradiction to the Bible. And as dower is a must to Allah, but of no interest to Yahweh, it is another difference so essential that it indicates or even proves Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
##034 5/12e: "I (Allah*) am with you (the Jews*): if ye (but) establish regular Prayers - - -". There is no demand, request or even mentioning of a fixed number of prayers or fixed times for prayers in the Bible. As this is so essential to Allah, that it is one of the 5 pillars of Islam, but of no interest at all for Yahweh - pray when there is a reason or when you feel for it - the 5 fixed prayers of the Quran is one of the absolute proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valued solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)
Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly needs, as it has not any proof for a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)
######035 5/35g: “- - - strive with might and main (see 5/35a-b*) in His (Allah’s*) cause - - -”. For us this is one of the most detestable points in the entire Quran and Islam: Fight and steal and rob and mutilate and rape and enslave and hate and murder and get rich and suppress in the name of your god, and as a service to your god - a claimed good and benevolent god!
The same god as Yahweh? Jesus and Muhammad in the same religion? Don't ask silly questions.
036 5/40f: "He (Allah*) forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and punish whom He pleaseth - - -". Whereas the Christian god according to the Bible forgives anyone who honestly regrets and tries to make amends, and punishes only those who deserve it. The same god? Forget it.
037 5/73b: “They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity - - -.” Muhammad said Yahweh = Allah, and he never understood the trinity - he even believed it consisted of Yahweh, Jesus, and Mary, a mistake no god - agreeing or not agreeing to the Trinity - would have made. But for once there is a possibility that the Quran has a point; the Trinity is formally not a part of the Bible. On the other hand those are the three special ones: Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit - we may think of them as God, his co-worker and representative, and his errand boy/messenger boy and helper. Trinity or not - those three have a special status according to both the Bible and the Quran (even though the Quran does not agree to which status - Islam even say the Holy Spirit = the angel Gabriel, which makes anyone really knowing the Bible laugh.) There also is the fact that according to the Bible, Jesus said that he and his father was one - but figuratively meant. Also see 5/73a just above.
Besides: Is it possible to blaspheme Allah if he does not exist?
As for the Trinity: It is a dogma decided by humans after much discussion; it is not part of the Bible - but see 5/17a above. (This dogma is from the 4. century, and it got its present form from the so-called Cappadocian Fathers (Gregory of Nyassa (332-395 AD), Basil the Great (320-79 AD), Gregory of Nazeanzus (329-389 AD). The nearest you come in the Bible is that Jesus said that he and his father, Yahweh, were one.) Also see 5/17a and 5/73b. But no-one in his right mind and with some knowledge about the Bible, would ever believe Mary was part of the trinity. Any even baby god had known. Then who made the Quran?
038 8/13a: "This (kill them*) because they contended against Allah and His Messenger - - -". How much Allah and how much Muhammad?
Also one more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion - there never in the entire Bible is an incitement to war for the god (there were wars in OT, but defense or - mainly - to establish and later defend a national country for the Jews, never waging war for Yahweh, not to mention for Jesus or any other prophet).
###039 8/39aa: “And fight with them (the Unbelievers who will not convert to Islam*) on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere”. Religious war is incompatible with the Bible, not to mention the NT. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion - too big differences on too many fundamental points.
##040 8/72d: “Those who believed - - - and fought for the Faith, with their property (= gave money - like many Muslims do even today*) and their persons (= went to war personally*), in the cause of Allah, as well as those who gave them (warriors, terrorists*) asylum and aid (like what a large numbers of Muslims do today also - at least giving money and sympathy and aid to “the cause” included terrorism*) - all these (are good Muslims*)”. Comments unnecessary. Except one more strong proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.
041 9/19g: "- - - strive with might and mind in the cause of Allah - - -". Guess if this conflicts with the Bible! Even in the rather hard and harsh OT the wars were not for Yahweh, but for establishing and then defending a national state for the Jews, and not for the religion. And in NT war is hardly an accepted thing at all. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Nope. Jesus and Muhammad in the same religion, not to mention in the same line of prophets? - more than nope.
###042 9/20c: “Those who believe, and suffer exile and strive with their might and main (= fight in raids/war*), in Allah’s cause, with their goods (= giving money to war expenses*) and their persons (= fighting personally in raids/war or terrorism - in “any stratagem of war”*), have the highest rank in the sight of Allah - - -”. It is hardly worth the bother to tell that you find nothing like this in the Bible, not to mention in NT. Yahweh the same god as Allah? Jesus in the same line of prophets as Muhammad? Anyone able to believe such claims either need much more knowledge or a psychiatrist. An at least 200% proof.
043 9/24e: "- - - or the striving in His (Allah's*) cause ("Quran-speak" for waging war*) - - -". Going to war for Muhammad/Allah gives top marks in the claimed "religion of peace". Guess if this is contradicted by the NT - one of the many strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion! Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
044 9/31e : "- - - yet they (the Christians*) were commanded to worship but One God - - -". Muhammad never understood the Christian religion and thinking. According to Christians there is only one god. Then there is a figure - a helper or something (the son, Jesus) - who in reality gets his light and his power from God/Yahweh. And finally there is something more diffuse and seldom seen; The messenger boy or something named the Holy Spirit (sometimes wrongly claimed to be the arch angel Gabriel by Muslims, who have never read the Bible, or who have read it with a closed mind). To use a picture: There is one sun. Then there is a moon which gets its light from the sun. And there is the seldom seen satellite somewhere around. But only one sun. And that is the complete "pantheon". To mix Mary into the Trinity (like Muhammad does at least one place in the Quran) just is one more proof for that no god made the Quran, and for that Muhammad did not understand the trinity. Mary and the other saints (only for the Catholics, and not for all of them) are not divine. In Islam some good Muslims end in the higher heavens closer to Allah. In the same way Catholics believe that some really good Christians end up closer to God in Heaven - though figuratively. And just like Muhammad claimed he can interfere for whom he like on the Last Day, Catholics believe that as these normal, but good, humans called saint can interfere with God on our behalf, as they are closer to him. But as this is not a part of the Bible, the Protestants - and the Sunni Muslims - may be right: May be there are no saints.
###045 9/39a: “Unless ye (Muslims*) go forth (in war/battle for Islam/Muhammad*), He (Allah*) will punish you with a grievous penalty (normally in the Quran a synonym for Hell*) - - -”. An order not possible to misunderstand for a pious - or fanatic - Muslim.
Yes, a religion built on peace, goodness and heavenly ethics.
THIS IS THE ORDER ALSO TODAY - JUST LISTEN TO SOME IMAMS, ETC. - see 9/38d.
THIS VERSE TELLS HORRIBLY MUCH ABOUT ISLAM AS IT IS TAUGHT IN THE QURAN.
One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - not to mention that Jesus and Muhammad were not in the same religion.
046 9/81h: This verse in short: The ones not willing to do battle, may end in hell. Do you want to end there? One more of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and Jesus and Muhammad neither serving the same god nor the same religion. The differences between them - and between their teachings, moral codes, etc. - are far too big, too deep, and too fundamental
047 9/111b: “Allah hath purchased of the Believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise): they fight in His (Allah’s) Cause, and slay and are slain (and go to Paradise afterwards*) - - -.” Try to find something similar to this in NT - or even in the more warlike OT. Yahweh and Allah the same god? Jesus and Muhammad in the same line of prophets (even omitting the fact that Muhammad was unable to make prophesies - "see the unseen")? The answers are very obvious - one of the 200%+ proofs for that Muhammad was not telling the truth here, not to mention for that Yahweh and Allah are different gods (if one or both exists). This also is incompatible to the Bible.
048 9/113d: "It is not fitting, for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray forgiveness for Pagans, even though they be of kin - - -". This cynical sentence tells a few megabytes about the Quran, about Muhammad, and about Islam - not to mention about the Quran's and Islam's moral code. Even if this was the only difference between the Bible and the Quran, this alone had been a 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. And remember: Science has proved far beyond any even unreasonable doubt that the Bible and especially the NT is not falsified, in spite of Muhammad's never proved claims - may be some mistakes, but no falsifications. The best proof for this is Islam: If one single real falsification had been found, Islam had screamed about it to every living being on Earth, included rats and worms. No such scream has ever been heard.
###049 14/5d: “Bring out thy (Moses’*) people (the Jews*) from the depth of darkness into light, and teach them to remember the Days of Allah”. We just remind you that Muhammad claimed Allah = Yahweh - a claim which is easy to see is wrong, as the fundamental ideas and ideologies in the teachings, moral codes, etc. are too deeply different (Yahweh mainly love and peace and empathy, Muhammad Nazi-like haughtiness, discrimination and war - and lawful dishonesty (al-Taqiyya, etc)). Because of this claim, he uses the name Allah for Yahweh. This mistake is so obvious and so easy to see, that often we do not bother to comment on it.
Also remember that there exists no known trace from any god like Muhammad's Allah or any religion like Islam anywhere in the world older than 610 AD, when Muhammad started his mission. Moses lived some 2ooo years earlier.
050 16/56d: "- - - your (non-Muslims'*) false inventions (other gods than Allah*)". But are all of them false inventions? There f.x. is the problem of the old Jewish and Christian god Yahweh, who according to the Bible far from is a made up god - in stark contrast to Allah, still according to the Bible. NB: Also the Quran tells that the old Jewish and Christian god exists, though they mix up his name up with their own god Allah.
And there is the contra question: Does Allah belong among the false gods? He after all is the dressed up pagan Arab god al-Lah, and his claimed holy book is so full of wrong facts and other errors, etc. that it 100% sure is not from any god.
And: If it is falsehood, is it falsehood to Allah if Allah does not exist, or if he exists but is something different from what the Quran describes?
051 17/61b: "Behold We (Allah*) said to the angels: 'Bow down to Adam'". This is one of the many clear proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god: In the Quran man is superior to angels. In the Bible the situation is not as clearly told as in the Quran, but angels clearly are "higher" than man. Which shows that Yahweh's angels are not the same as Allah's, and thus also that the Paradises are different (angels are an integrated part of Yahweh's Paradise, but are hardly mentioned in Allah's). With marked different angels and very marked different Paradises, the two are not the same god.
##052 19/36b: “Verily Allah is my (Muhammad’s*) Lord and your (other people's*) Lord - - -“. This is a serious one: Here clearly it is Muhammad himself – Muhammad the man - who is speaking. How is that possible in a book made by a god before the universe (see 51/47c) was created, or may be one which has existed since eternity, and a copy of a revered Mother Book sent down from Heaven by Allah? (There are a few mistakes (?) like this in the Quran (8 places in the book where it is Muhammad who is talking ?) – see f.x. 2/286c, 6/114a, 27/91a, and 51/50-51.)
But it definitely is no proved verity/truth that Allah really is a god, or if he in case is correctly described in the Quran.
##053 22/30b: "- - - the sacred rites of Allah - - -". These rites - so essential to Allah in spite of being pagan ones, and pretty childish/naive ones fitting primitive minds mainly - are so entirely different from anything Yahweh asks for, that especially combined with the very demand for going on pilgrimage to one special place, and a place of no interest to Yahweh, they make up one more 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. This even more so as the demanded place as said is one totally without interest to Yahweh - not mentioned a single time in the entire Bible. And neither Yahweh, nor Jesus ever expressed a wish for humans to practice pilgrimage (there is pilgrimage among Christians, too, but the request for such ones is not from the Bible - f.x. not one of the Biblical prophets, included Jesus, ever made a pilgrimage or even wanted to do so, not to mention a pilgrimage to Kabah).
054 22/32a: "- - - the symbols of Allah - - -". Here referring to the rites of the pilgrimage - the hajj - in Mecca, likely especially to the ones connected to the sacrifice of animals.
If Yahweh and Allah had been the same god, it had been somewhat peculiar that the god liked such sacrifices in the OT, but dropped it in the New Covenant and the teaching of Jesus - for them to reinstall it shortly (at least shortly for a god) afterwards. A god with no clear ideas for what he wants?
Most of the rituals during Hajj are taken over from the old pagan Arab religion. It is peculiar if pagan polytheistic rites are symbols of a monotheistic god, and as peculiar that only the Arab pagan religion "happened" to have the correct rites. There are no similar rites in NT; not the same god, Jesus and Muhammad far from in the same religion.
Also the rites are very primitive - fit old pagan religions. Of course one can claim symbolism - one can claim symbolism from the stories of Al Capone, Baron von Münchausen, Adolph Hitler, and Donald Duck - but also the symbolisms in the rites are primitive ones, fitting primitive, naive minds. Throw stones at "the Devil", walk the old magic number of 7 times around the Kabah, kill some defenseless animals, etc.
Both the rites and the claimed symbols tell a lot about Islam.
055 22/60c: "- - - if one has retaliated to no greater extent than the injury he received, and is again set upon inordinately, Allah will help him - - -". If you are attacked more times after a reasonable revenge the first time, you are permitted to do whatever you like and use whatever means, and Allah will accept and forgive it (A22/74). Also this is widely different from the moral ideas behind NT. Not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad absolutely not in the same religion (remember f.x. Jesus' "Love your enemy", "Turn the other cheek".
As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.
056 27/91b: "- - - Him (Allah*) Who has sanctified it (the town Mecca*) - - -". One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god: To Allah Mecca is very holy and central, whereas neither Yahweh, nor anyone else in the Bible even mentions it one single time - not in any connection. F.x. none of the Jewish prophets, included Jesus, ever uttered one single wish to visit that claimed top holy place - not even at Ramadan/the time for Jihad. Not one of them and not one single time. One of the 200% - at least - proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, not to mention for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion.
058 37/48b: “And besides them (Muslim men in Paradise*) will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes (of wonder and beauty).” These are the famous houris who are to comfort Muslim men in Paradise. And what comfort did primitive – and for that case some other – men think of? The women are solely for man’s pleasure in Paradise, too, (well, on Earth they also are for giving him sons). Nothing is said in the Quran about where the houris come from, nothing is said about how they like to be in the harems of often rough, uneducated and primitive – and naïve? – warriors - - - and also nothing is said about how the wives enjoy the competition. Only what the man likes counts.
There as mentioned is another mystery: From where did the houris come? – and what were they. A theory that the early Muslims – f.x. Hasan al-Basri - believed, is that they were women who had lived a pious and good life on Earth. Of necessity they could not have been married (or married to men that ended in Hell?), because married women followed their husbands – it is not said which one if they had been married more times, but perhaps the last one). But how many such single women existed compared to the millions of warriors that had a right to up to 72 each? And how did such women like to be sex slaves for often rough and self centered and primitive men – was it a Paradise for them too, or - - -? Another theory was/is that they were girls who died as babies or unmarried children - but then they in case should belong to their father's household in Paradise. And the same question: How many children died compared to how many houris needed as gifts to warrior and terrorist? - several dozen houris to each brave warrior.
#059 38/73: "So the angels prostrated themselves (for Adam*), all of them together (quite a number - there must be millions and billions according to some places in the Quran and in Hadiths*) - - -". This proves that in the Quran, humans are high above angels as beings. In the Bible this is not clearly defined anywhere, but all the same it is very clear that angels are beings superior to humans. One more clear proof for that that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - also their heavens are too different.
060 44/53: "Dressed in fine silk and rich brocade - - -". The Quran's paradise is like a poor, uneducated and naive desert warrior's dream about earthly royal life - likely the maximum of luxury Muhammad's early followers were able to dream about. Yahweh's Paradise on the other hand is spiritual. One of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same religion.
### 061 44/54a: “- - - and We (Allah*) shall join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes.” Women as payment for "good deeds" like stealing, suppressing, torturing, killing. Some moral code and some view on women - slaves/things to use for gifts or payment. Not in the Bible. One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - their paradises are utterly different. If they had been the same god, their Paradise had been one and the same. See f.x. Luke 20/36, not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). And also not to mention: "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Mark 12/25).
062 52/19-20: (To them (Muslims in Paradise*) will be said) ’Eat and drink ye, with profit and health, because of your (good) deeds.’ They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions (the famous houris*), with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.” What more can a poor, virile young – or old – uneducated and uncultivated and uncultured man from the desert dream about? Also see 10/9f and 52/17-24 above.
But it has no relationship to Yahweh's and Jesus' Paradise, where you become like the angels (f.x. Matt. 20/35-36) - a lot more tempting in the long run than Muhammad's Paradise a la a king's dreamt up life included a harem. Not the same Paradise = not the same god = also not the same religion.
Also see 44/54a.
## 063 52/20b: “- - - and We (Allah*) shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.” The famous houris. Like 37/48 and 42/25 above – see them. The introduction of houris by Muhammad into Islam seems to come from old Persian pagan religion, where they were named paaris.
One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - their paradises are too different. And the fact that Jesus prohibited polygamy in any form - and also rape (sex where the woman/houri has no choice) - is one of the really strong proofs for that Jesus and Muhammad did not belong to the same religion, not to mention the same line of prophets.
## 064 52/21c: "- - - to them (Muslims in Paradise*) shall we join their families - - -". According to Hadiths there are at least 4 or 6 gardens in Paradise - one better than the other. Plus there are the higher heavens for the really good Muslims (though some say that the entire Paradise - and Hell - is situated in the 6. Heaven, the same Heaven where the claimed original of the Kabah is situated). It would take quite a co-incidence that every member of the big and extended families of that time - and for that case partly today - to merit the same garden in Paradise. What then? We have never met any Muslim mentioning this problem, or being able to give a good explanation if we mention it. One thing is to reach Paradise. Another to reach the same garden in paradise. With 6 or more gardens, a family very easily can become very scattered.
And how to arrange everything after 30 or 60 or 100 generations? - quite a mêlée in that family?
One of the really strong proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - their Paradises are too different. If Yahweh and Allah had been the same god, their Paradise had been one and the same.
065 52/24: “Round about them (Muslims and their houris*) will serve (devoted) to them, youths (handsome) as pearls well guarded”. These are the servants in Paradise – forever young, handsome men. There is said nothing about from where they come, and as normal in the Quran it is said not a word about how secondary persons in a story feel or like life, or how Paradise is for them. The central persons - you the warrior and the ones similar to you - are in Paradise "rich" and on top, and that is what counts – others are of little interest. Empathy with underdogs (f.x. women, houris, servants, victims) does not exist in the Quran. Well, some to the poor Muslims (but do not give too much) and to orphans, but for that you find nothing. By the way: Also the idea of these handsome young men serving in Paradise, the Quran "borrowed" from Persia. Very little in the Quran is not "borrowed".
And there is another aspect to these handsome youths. The Quran frowns strongly at homosexuality, but all the same it at least some places is silently accepted. Are these youths a silent temptation - or more - in such a connection?. Did Muhammad want to attract also these warriors? - after all a warrior is a warrior.
Yet another proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god: One more serious difference between their paradise. There are no servants in Yahweh's Paradise. (There cannot be servants in a perfect paradise, because to be servants is not perfect for the servants, and a paradise which is not perfect for everyone living there, is not a perfect paradise. Similar can be said about houris, who have to be sex-dolls for even the most selfish, rough, and primitive warrior.)
066 55/52: "- - - Fruits of every kind - - -". The Quran's and Islam's paradise is like a poor and naive primitive desert dweller's dream about an emperor's luxury life and harem on Earth - - - yes, plus the god in the not too far distance. Very different from Yahweh's paradise, where you according to the Bible become like the angels (f.x. Matt. 22/30) - one of the solid proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, if the old books tell the truth.
067 55/54a: "They (good Muslims in Paradise*) recline on Carpets (also Paradise is Arabian style*), whose inner lining is rich brocade - - -". Earthly royal style - - - and very different from Yahweh's Paradise where you become like the angels (f.x. Luke 20/36), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). And also not to mention: "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Mark 12/25). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Guess 3 times.
068 55/56a: "In them (the gardens of Paradise*) will be (Maidens), restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before has touched". A nice Paradise for primitive men - women do not count much in the Quran - but totally different from Yahweh's Paradise - this verse alone proves such formidable differences to Yahweh (see f.x. Luke 20/36, not to mention: ############# "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). And also not to mention: ############## "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Mark 12/25)) that this alone proves Yahweh and Allah cannot be the same god - and then there are all the other differences in addition.
069 55/56c: "- - - (Maidens), chaste - - - whom no man or Jinn before them (the Muslims in Paradise*) has touched - - -". The houris are virgins at arrival, but hardly for a long time.
Compare this to f.x. Matt.22/30: ############# "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven". 200+% sure that Yahweh and Allah do not run the same paradise, and thus are not the same god. And as these are the words of Jesus: As sure that Jesus and Muhammad do not belong in the same moral world or religion neither in this nor in a possible next life. A lot of things in this world are not true even if they are repeated often - f.x. that Jesus and Muhammad belong to the same line of prophets (in addition to that Muhammad was no real prophet - he had not the gift of prophesying).
070 65/1b: “O Prophet! When ye (also all other Muslims*) divorce women - - -". What Muslims never mention, is that Muhammad had at least 16 short-time wives (see the chapter about Muhammad and his women - at least 36 - in www.1000mistakes.com ). NT on the other hand does not really accept divorce (f.x. Matt. 5/32) - and polygamy not at all. One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and a 100%+ for that Jesus and Muhammad are not in the same religion or in the same line of anything religiously essential.
#####071 66/2a: "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases)- - -". According to other places in the Quran, the cases when you can break your oat without sinning, are:
- Oaths you have given without really meaning them.
- Oaths where you later see you will get a more satisfactory result if you break your oat. In serious cases, though, you should pay a "fine" - expiation - to Allah to be forgiven".
Can anyone please tell us what remains of trustworthiness of a Muslim's words and oaths - especially when you add to this the al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), the Kitman (the lawful half-truth), the Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), and permitted deceit and betrayals? - and his point of view that "war is deceit" (and everything is war). And not to forget the lawful disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, and here in 66/2). And much worse in this case: WHAT REMAINS OF MUHAMMAD'S TRUSTWORTHINESS - NOT TO MENTION THE QURAN'S TRUSTWORTHINESS - WHEN SUCH MEANS ARE OK WORKING TOOLS?
072 76/14-21: More about the same details of the Earth-like and top royal paradise, but with the addition of a stuff called “zanjabil” (76/17) to mix in wine (the age of this surah is not known, and consequently we do not know if Allah had yet changed his view of alcohol), and a fountain “salsabil” (76/18). The first word may mean ginger, the second one nobody knows, though there is guessing. Once more the unclear language of the Quran.
Also remember that the many and deep differences between Yahweh's Paradise and the one of Allah is one of the strong proofs for that the two are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradise had been one and the same one.
073 76/19b: "And around them (good Muslims in Paradise*) will (serve) youths - - -". This is one more case where the Quran differs totally from the Bible - there is not any likeness between the lives in the two paradises at all (f.x. Luke 20/34-36, not to mention: ########## "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). And also not to mention: #############3 "When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Mark 12/25)). Yahweh and Allah the same god with so different paradises? You bet! One of the at least - at least - 200% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. (Another question which lingers in the air: Homosexuality is officially condemned in Islam, but silently accepted at places - was this fact in the background when the description of these delicate young men was created?)
074 76/22b: "Verily this (a royal, Earth-like luxury, included a big harem*) is a Reward for you (Muslims*) - - -". If the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)
Also remember that the many and deep differences between Yahweh's Paradise and the one of Allah are one of the strong proofs for that the two are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradise had been one and the same one.
075 78/33: "Companions of Equal Age" - the famous houris. As mentioned, sex is not named in Paradise in the Quran, bur it all the same is a very essential part - - - for the men. In the entire Quran, in all the many Hadiths, in the entire Islamic literature, we have not seen one single word about how it feels for the houris to be sex toys for rough, uneducated, primitive warriors. And not one word about how it is for the wives to share their husbands with lots of likely much more beautiful women. Not one word.
Also you do not find the houris or sex in the Bible's and in Yahweh's paradise (the houris is an idea "borrowed" from the Persian religion, where they were named paaris). On the contrary: There you will be like the angels (Mark 12/25), and angels are not bent on sex - or nice clothes or excellent food and wine. One more of the at least 200% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
076 95/1-3: "By - - -". A sentence in the Quran starting with "by" normally is an oath - here it seems that the Quran swears that verse 4 is true. But whenever Muhammad or the Quran swears - or in other ways promises - remember that according to the rules for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth), etc., it is permitted to lie to defend and to forward Islam (and for 6 - 8 other wide topics, f.x. to cheat women), and that according to Muhammad's own words and deeds in the Quran, oaths should be broken if that will give a more satisfying result - pay expiation to Allah afterwards if necessary. (Some oaths are not binding at all, and others only if you confirm them afterwards, but if you break a confirmed oath you should pay expiation afterwards, at least if the oath is about something serious).
According to the Bible you should not swear at all, and if you all the same do so, you are absolutely bound by your oath. A new indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
It also is pretty thought provoking that f.x. all the errors, contradictions, wrong facts, etc., only and alone, in the Quran, prove 100% that there is no god behind that book. And that f.x. the fact that Jesus accepted OT as correct, proves to both Christians and Muslims that the OT was not falsified at that time - and the Qumran scrolls prove that even OT was not falsified any time later, too.
It further is an insult to that possible god to "explain" that his texts means something different from what they really says = you are more clever than him at explaining what the god "really" meant, than the god is himself, even when he tries to explain things "clearly and easy to understand", and says his words are to be understood literally and without hidden meanings. Also only "the sick of heart" look for hidden meanings behind his words, according to the Quran - the very claimed hidden meanings the wise Muslims claim are what Allah really meant, but was unable to express clearly himself, so that they have to help the bumbling god and tell what he "really" tried to say. This in spite of that the Quran clearly states that meanings hidden behind Allah's clear and easy to understand words, only are possible for Allah to understand, and like said above are "only for the sick of heart" to look for.
May be as bad: To claim that the Quran means something different from what the texts clearly say, is to falsify the quranic texts.
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