Allah in the Quran, Chapter 106
01 Jan 2015
This chapter includes some points which do not directly belong in the chapters above.
######### Another - and serious - point is that to "explain" that the Quran means something different from what it really says, is to corrupt and falsify it it.
Also: What is sure, is that no god ever made a holy book as full of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, unclear language, etc. like the Quran. ##### Besides: Which one of the 20-30 known versions accepted by Islam of the Quran (see 15/9c) - if any (and there were even more versions through the times) - is in case the correct one?
Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable are that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?
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001 2/34c: "- - - they (the angels*) bowed down (to Adam*) - - -". This means they accepted him as being superior to them.
002 2/41g: “- - - sell My (Allah’s*) Signs - - -”. See 2/39b above.
003 2/44c: "Will ye (Jews*) not understand?". Most likely that just was the problem: The Jews understood that Yahweh and Allah could not be the same god, because too many and too fundamental points were different - and that something was wrong with Muhammad's new religion. Much wrong.
004 2/49a: “- - - We (Allah*) delivered you (Jews*) from the people of Pharaoh (who*) - - - slaughtered your sons - - -“. Actually this is in accordance with what the Bible tells (the Quran tells the baby Moses was put to the Nile (20/39) but do not give a reason for such a crime. The Bible tells that it was because of a royal order to kill all Jewish boy babies). But it contradicts two verses in the Quran that told not that it was done, but that Pharaoh would start doing it during the confrontation with Moses. (Similar in 7/141 and 14/6).
005 2/63a: "- - - We (Allah*) raised above you (the towering height of) Mount (Sinai) - - -." But what the Arab original text really says, is: "- - - We (Allah*) raised the mountain above you - - -" - i.e. it was held over them like a roof or a cloud. There is nothing like this in the Bible. (The story in reality is from a legend). It tells something that the translated text is modified, and in a way which makes it less unbelievable to educated westerners used to critical thinking - but it is a dishonest translation.)
006 2/60c: 12 springs gushing forth - copied from pre-Islamic legends. Contradicting the Bible, but quite likely based on a mix up of Biblical texts. 2. Mos. 15/27 says: "Then they (the Jews) came to Elim, where there were 12 springs - - -", and later in Rephidim: "(Yahweh said*)"'Strike the rock, and water will come out of it for the people to drink'. So Moses did in the sight of the elders of Israel (and a spring appeared*)". 2 different incidents mixed up in the Quran it seems. The old problem: Muhammad did not know the Bible and took his(? - he may have had helpers) stories from tales, legends and fairy tales circulating in Arabia.
007 2/62b: “Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabeans – any who believe in Allah (= God/Yahweh here*) and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord (go to Heaven*) - - -“. Contradicted - and abrogated - by:
- 3/85: “If anyone desired a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him - - -.” Yes: “No compulsion in religion.” (From Mecca, but hardly defensive – see 3/28 below).
- 5/17: “In blasphemy (and will be punished according to 5/73*) indeed are those who say that Allah is Christ, son of Mary (see 5/110a below).” - that Jesus is divine is to put another god by Allah’s side, which is the ultimate and unforgivable sin according to 4/48 and 4/116. (Muhammad here indicates that Allah = Yahweh, and Christians say that Yahweh and Jesus are parts of a of a trinity. If Jesus is divine, it also makes Jesus a greater prophet than Muhammad, which Muhammad and Islam could not accept) This had omitted the Christians from the believers – like Muhammad obviously intended - - - if it was not because Christians do not say God = Jesus. Muhammad did not understand the Trinity.
- 5/72: “Whoever joins other gods with Allah – Allah will forbid him the Garden - - -.” This blocks the road at least for Christians, as according to Islam Jesus (and Maria!) are joined gods (and parts of the Trinity – Muhammad never understood neither the Trinity (he believed it consisted of the god, Jesus and Mary!!), nor the Holy Spirit (though he used the Holy Spirit a few times in the Quran). The reality, though, is that also Christians only have one god, Yahweh. Jesus in many ways is the co-worker of Yahweh, but gets his power from him.
- 5/73: “They do blaspheme who say Allah (God/Yahweh) is one of a Trinity - - - a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.” This sentences the Christians to Hell - - - according to Islam.
- 8/38: “Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief (become Muslims*)), their past would be forgiven them, but if they persist, the punishment for those before them is already (a matter of warning for them)".
- 9/17: “It is not for such as join gods with Allah (= God/Yahweh here*) - - -. - - - in Fire shall they dwell”. No hope for Christians with their Jesus, who according to Islam is wrongly looked at by Christians as a god – in spite of 2/62.
- 9/29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor the Last Day, nor holds that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his Prophet (Muhammad*), not acknowledge the religion of the Truth (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians mainly), until they pay the jizya (“infidel”-tax where Islam has set no upper limit, and which frequently through the history has been very high*) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”. Conquer the infidels and then let them live like the Negroes under apartheid in South Africa or in the southern states in USA in the early 1900s - - - the ones who were not taken into slavery – especially the women. Yes, no compulsion – neither by the sword first, nor by destroyed economy and social life, etc. after the defeat and later.
- 3/85 (625 AD): “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never it will be accepted of him (Allah*) - - -”. It may be worth mentioning that surah 2 “arrived” at a time (622 - 624 AD) when Muhammad for one thing hoped to have the Jews accept his religion, and for another thing still were not military strong. In 625 AD he had given up the hope of being accepted by the Jews (there were few, if any Christians or Sabeans in Medina), and his group of warriors were bigger and more trained in combat = he was military stronger. The tone had become more threatening.
(7 contradictions - and you will find more).
008 2/65-66: “We (Allah*) said to them ’Be ye apes, despised and rejected’. So We made it an example to their own time and to their posterity, and a lesson for those who fear Allah”. That humans are changed into apes is an extraordinary statement. An extraordinary statement needs an extraordinary proof. The Quran here offers no proof at all - like normal.
009 2/73b: “Allah said: ‘Strike the (body) with a piece of the (heifer) (see 2/67-71 above*)’. Thus Allah bringeth the dead to life - - -“. It is not possible to wake up a dead person this way. Islam will have to produce a solid proof – especially as this story is not in the Bible, and thus is taken from a legend, as the Bible is the only source telling about Moses. Actually it so obviously is not true, that Muslims claim it is a parable or that there was a miracle - neither of which the Quran says.
####010 2/76b: "- - - what Allah hath revealed to you - - -". This rather obscure sentence many Muslim scholar claims refer to the Islamic claim that Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible, here likely referred to 5. Mos. 18/15 and 18/18 (and conveniently omitting f.x. 18/1-2 and 18/20-21). The Quran clearly states that Muhammad is mentioned on both the OT and in the Gospels (NT) and easy to find there, and then Islam HAS to find him there, because if not the Quran is wrong, and a book from a god cannot be wrong - if there is a mistake, this proves it is not from a god.
What is absolutely sure, is that Muhammad is not easy to find anywhere in the Bible - he is nowhere openly mentioned. Then Islam has to look for him in hidden places, in spite of the Quran's claim that he is easy to find both in OT and in NT. And the most frequent claim in OT is 5. Mos. 18/15 and 18/18, where Moses in a speech to Jews tells them that once there shall come a prophet like himself "from among their brothers". It is clear from the context that he meant from among the Jews, but Islam - the religion of the truth and the religion which claims you cannot understand the Quran unless you see the verses in context - drops the contexts and claims: "The Arabs are the brothers of the Jews - this is about Muhammad!"
We may add that they also drop a few other facts:
- The word "brother" or similar is used figuratively far more than 300 times in the Bible (at least 351 times according to our latest leafing through the book), and not one of these in connection to Arabs - practically always about members of a closed group (mainly Jews in OT - a few times including their recognized relatives the Edomites - and mainly fellow Christians in NT, though in NT a few times meaning all humanity as potential Christians).
- Of these the word at least is used at least 99 times in OT (see below in this comment) - also here mainly about members of a closed group: The Jews, sometimes included the Edomites as mentioned just above - and not a word about Arabs in such connections. Except for 1 reference to Lot (Abraham talking to his nephew - a very closed group) and 6 references to Edomites, which the Jews reckoned to be (distant) relatives as they were descendants of Esau, brother of Jacob and son of Isaac and thus inside the extended group, there are 5 exceptions from the rule that "brother" is about Jews in OT: The nomad Jacob talking to some shepherds (a closed group as he too was a shepherd and intended to mean "good friends"), 3 cases of one king talking to a fellow king (a very closed group) where the word means "good friends", and the sons of Ishmael who after all at that time were so closely related to the sons of Isaac, that they made a closed group (this relationship later was dismissed by the Jews for several reasons, the main of which may have been the enmity the sons of Ishmael showed towards their relatives, but also the fact that they were at least 3/4 Egyptian - both Ishmael's mother, Hagar (1. Mos. 16/1), and his wife (1. Mos. 20/20) were from Egypt - and thus not Jews, not to forget they were outside the covenant Yahweh made with Isaac which were to be the lasting covenant with Yahweh (1. Mos. 21/12), and also not to forget the fact that they lived so far off - near the border of Egypt (1. Mos. 25/18) - that the connection for natural reasons (strengthened by their enmity) was severed and forgotten. But not one word about the slightest relationship to Arabs - this even more so as it is highly unlikely the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, as his descendants as mentioned settled near the border of Egypt (1. Mos. 25/18) and not in Arabia. (Also science tells "it is practically sure Abraham never came to Mecca" - and then Ishmael had no connection there). In addition modern DNA science has shown that what we call Arabs, was - and is - not a coherent tribe, but a mixture of people from neighboring countries who drifted into Arabia and its desert and settled there when the domestication of the camel made life for humans possible there, and later on. Before that only a few tribes lived in the coastal areas and hardly any in the desert in inland Arabia. Plus there were f.x. all the females slaves who were forced to sex, and thus making children - and mixing up the blood even more.
- 5. Mos. is a speech Moses made to and about his fellow Jews included some about their future. He used the words "brother/brothers" at least 31 times in his speech. With 2 exceptions (2/4 and 2/8) it is about members of the closed group the Jews - in spite of the wishful claims from Islam. Also the 2 exceptions are from a closed group including the Jews, but a somewhat extended one, as they include Edomites - descendants of Esau, the brother of Jacob (Esau also was called Edom). Esau was within the linage of the covenant which according to the Bible was promised by Yahweh, as he was the son of Isaac, through whom Yahweh according to the Bible said that linage should go (1. Mos. 21/12) and thus recognized as distant relatives of the Jews. Ishmael, from which the Arabs claim (most likely wrongly, as Ishmael and his descendants as mentioned settled near the border of Egypt and not in Arabia according to the Bible 1. Mos.25/18 - and in addition was outside this linage, and once more in addition placed themselves outside the group/family (1. Mos. 25/18)) they were and even more so became members of the outside. And not one word about the slightest relationship to Arabs in that entire speech or anywhere else in the entire Bible - and also nowhere in the Quran.
- The word is used 3 times in 5. Mos. 18, the short chapter Islam takes its quotes from (verses 2, 15 and 18), each time clearly meaning "your fellow Jews" like nearly all the other places in his speech. Not one word about the slightest relationship to Arabs.
- Worse: Arabs and Arabia is mentioned something like 15 times (see below in this comment) in OT according to our latest leafing through the book. Without exception the connection is neutral or negative or even very negative (enemies) - not one single positive connection, not to mention any close relationship, let alone brotherhood.
- Even worse: The words "brother" "brethren", and "brothers" also are used figuratively at least 33 times in the Quran (see further down in this comment) - not one time linking Jews and Arabs. (There is one after a fashion exception: Hypocrites and Jews are linked - but that is something else). Also here the word is used within closed groups - like in the Bible. And not one word in all the Quran about Jews and Arabs being brothers. Not even a whisper.
- Worst: Moses in his speech said "a prophet like me". But Muhammad was no real prophet. The definition of a prophet was a person who could see at least parts of the unseen, and thus a person who:
- Have the gift of and close enough connection to a god for making prophesies.
- Makes prophesies that always or at least mostly come true.
- Makes so frequent and/or essential prophesies, that it is a clear part of his mission.
A few things Muhammad said, came true – like it has to do for any person saying many things through many years – and most of what he said which did not come true, was forgotten (also this is what normally happens if it is nothing spectacular). But he did not guess the future correctly often - actually he statistically and according to the laws of probability should have "hit the mark" more often by sheer chance than he did - there just are a few cases where Muslims will claim he foretold something correctly, and few if any of them are "perfect hits". But then the Quran makes it pretty clear that even though he was intelligent, he had little fantasy and that he also was nearly unable to make innovative thinking. (Dearly all his tales and his ideas in reality were "borrowed" ones - though often twisted to fit his new religion. Definitely not a problem any omniscient god would have had).
Even more essential: The Quran clearly tells Muhammad was unable to make prophesies - "to see the unseen". The Quran also as clearly tells that Muhammad was unable to make miracles, and prophesies simply are a special kind of miracles; the ability "to see the unseen", which Muhammad did not have. This according also to the Quran and to Islam (To quote Islam: "The only miracle connected to Muhammad, is the delivery of the Quran".)
The main things just here are that Muhammad never indicated that anything of what he said was meant as prophesies, that he never indicated, not to mention claimed, that he had the gift of prophesying, that it nowhere is documented that all/most of what he said about the future came true (point 2 above), and finally that both he and Islam said and says that Muhammad was unable to see the unseen (extra revealing here is that the old Biblical title for a prophet, was "a seer" - one who saw the unseen (see further down)) and also that there were no miracles connected to Muhammad “except the Quran” (prophesying is a kind of miracle - seeing what has not yet happened). (The fact that Islam admits there were no miracle connected to Muhammad "except the revelation of the Quran" also is a solid proof for that all the miracles connected to Muhammad mentioned in the Hadiths, are made up stories). We also should add that his favorite wife (and infamous child wife) Aisha, according to Hadiths (f.x. Al-Bukhari) states that anyone saying Muhammad could foresee things, were wrong.
Verse 7/188b also is very relevant here: "If I (Muhammad*) had knowledge of the Unseen (= what is hidden and/or what has not happened yet*), I should have - - -". IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT MUHAMMAD DID NOT HAVE THE PROPHETS' ABILITY TO SEE "THE UNSEEN" - he was no real prophet.
Also relevant here is as said that the original title of the Jewish prophets was not "prophet", but "seer" - one who saw at least parts of the unseen. (F.x. 1. Sam. #9/9, 1. Sam. 9/11, 1. Sam. 9/18, 1. Sam. 9/19, 2. Kings. 17/13, 1. Chr. 9/22, 1. Chr. 26/28, 1. Chr. 29/29, 2. Chr. 9/29, 2. Chr. 16/7, 2. Chr.16/10, 2. Chr. 19/2, 2. Chr. 29/25, Amos 7/12, Mic. 3/7 - some places the two titles even are used side by side in transition periods). Muhammad thus so definitely was no seer - prophet - even according to his own words; he had no "knowledge of the unseen".
Many liked - and like - the title prophet, and there have been made other definitions for this title - the most common of these are "one who brings messages from a god", or "one who represents a god", or "one who acts/talks on behalf of a god". But the fact remains: Without being able to prophesy, he or she is no real prophet. A messenger for someone or something or himself - ok. An apostle - ok. But not a real prophet.
###This is a fact no Muslim will admit: Muhammad in reality simply was no real prophet or seer. Perhaps a messenger for someone or something or for himself – or perhaps an apostle – but not a real prophet. He only “borrowed” that impressive and imposing title. It is up to anyone to guess why. It also is anybody's guess why he more often used the far less imposing title "Messenger" - a messenger boy is something far smaller than a prophet. Did he know or suspect that it was not true, and that explanations for the lack of prophesies from a self proclaimed prophet would be difficult to explain? Like the reason why he so seldom claims he is found in the Bible, may have been that he knew or suspected it was not true?
Besides: To belong in a special line of prophets, the teachings and the prophesies of course must be in line with the other prophets in that line, because a god follows a steady course and teaching (one of the proofs for that something is wrong with the Quran - Allah changes too much back and forth in his claimed teachings, and especially so if he had been identical to Yahweh: From rather harsh up to Jesus, then mild under the new covenant, then harsher, but reasonably mild under Muhammad in Mecca, and finally a full and partly immoral and unjust war god in Medina from ca. 622 - 624 AD when Muhammad started to need warriors to gain riches (mainly for bribes) and power). If not, one either belongs to another line - another god with another teaching/religion - or one simply is a false prophet (there have been many more false prophets than real ones through the times). Muhammad's religion was far from both the OT and even much further from NT, and in addition he was unable to make prophesies - plus even if he had been a prophet, he is far too far from the teaching of Yahweh and Yahweh’s Jewish prophets. He is not in that line of prophets and not speaking for the same god - too much is different. The Quran simply may be one of the many apocryphal - made up - manuscripts/books more or less loosely built on Biblical traditions and "adjusted" to fit the religious teaching of sects more or less distant from the mother religion - the Quran in case is one of the more distant ones.
Also see 30/40h below.
The claim in reality is logical rubbish and taken far out of the context. But it is the only "real" claim they try to cling to (there are some others, but they are even more far out) - they have to, because if not the Quran is wrong and thus not from a god and Islam a made up religion. Also see the chapter "Muhammad in the Bible" in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" - https://www.1000mistakes.com - and 2/77a and 7/157e below.
If the Quran simply belongs among the apocryphal books, many things are easy to understand, and it at least belongs in that line and tradition, even if it is further "out" than most of the others. Muhammad also fits the picture of the leader of an apocryphal sect, admittedly more immoral and bloody than most of the others.
The word "brother", "brothers", "brotherhood" used figuratively in OT:
- 1. Mos. 13/8: Abraham said so to Lot, his nephew. A much closed group.
- 1. Mos. 25/18: Ishmael’s sons lived in hostility to "all their brothers". This may mean they fought each other or that they were hostile to the Jews - in both cases they at this time were members of a much closed group: Close relatives - Ishmael was the brother of Isaac. From the context we think the latter meaning is intended. But this relationship for several reasons over time drifted into nothing. It also is highly unlikely the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, as the only somewhat reliable source about these - the Bible - tells Ishmael settled near the border of Egypt (1. Mos. 25/18) and not in Arabia (not to mention in Mecca). Also science says "it is practically sure that Abraham never was in Mecca" - so Ishmael had no connection that way, too. And not least: Ishmael and his descendant were outside the covenant between the Jews and Yahweh - a covenant made to Isaac (1. Mos.21/12). At the time the Books of Moses were written - at least 1000 years before Muhammad - there also was no reason for the writer to place Ishmael and his sons at a wrong place.
- 1. Mos. 29/4: Here in the meaning "dear friends" indicating peaceful intention. The nomad Jacob to some fellow shepherds.
- 3. Mos. 21/10: Fellow Jews - fellow priests even.
- 4. Mos. 20/3: Fellow Jews.
- 4. Mos. 20/14: Moses to the Edomites (= fellow descendants of Isaac and reckoned to be (distant) relatives of the Jews).
- 5. Mos. 1/16: Fellow Jews.
- 5. Mos. 1/16: Fellow Jews ("brother Israelites").
- 5. Mos. 1/28: Fellow Jews (the spies into Canaan).
- 5. Mos. 2/4: Edomites - fellow descendants of Isaac.
- 5. Mos. 2/8: Edomites - fellow descendants of Isaac.
- 5. Mos. 3.18: Fellow Jews ("brother Israelites").
- 5. Mos. 3/20: Fellow Jews.
- 5. Mos. 10/9: Fellow Jews - the 11 other tribes of Jews are the brothers of the Levites (12. tribe).
- 5. Mos. 15/2: Fellow Jew "- - - fellow Israelite or brother - - -" = fellow Jew = brother.
- 5. Mos. 15/7: Fellow Jews ("your (Jewish*) brothers").
- 5. Mos. 15/7: Fellow Jews ("your poor brother (Jew*)").
- 5. Mos. 15/9: Fellow Jews (your needy (Jewish*) brother).
- 5. Mos. 15/11: Fellow Jews.
- 5. Mos. 17/15: Fellow Jew (their king had to be "from among your own brothers" = a Jew).
- 5. Mos. 17/15: Fellow Jew (take no king who is not a Jew - "not a brother Israelite").
- 5. Mos. 18/2: Fellow Jews (Levites "shall have no inheritance among their brothers" - among the 11 other Jewish tribes).
- 5. Mos. 18/15: Fellow Jew ("a prophet like me (Moses*) from among your own brothers" - note the similarity of the expression with f.x. 17/15 and 18/2 - also see the texts of the two under 17/15).
- 5. Mos. 18/18: Fellow Jew ("a prophet like you (Moses*) from among their own brothers". Identical to 18/15, except here Yahweh is speaking.
- 5. Mos. 19/18: Fellow Jew - this is from Moses' speech to and about his Jews like all in 5. Mos.
- 5. Mos. 19/19: Fellow Jew - see 19/18 just above.
- 5. Mos. 20/8: Fellow Jew.
- 5. Mos. 22/1: Fellow Jew.
- 5. Mos. 22/2: Fellow Jew.
- 5. Mos. 22/3: Fellow Jew.
- 5. Mos. 22/4: Fellow Jew.
- 5. Mos. 23/7: Edomites - see 4.Mos 20/14 above.
- 5. Mos. 23/19: Fellow Jew.
- 5. Mos. 23/20: Fellow Jew ("a brother Israelite").
- 5. Mos. 24/7: Fellow Jew ("his brother Israelite").
- 5. Mos. 25/3: Fellow Jew.
- 5. Mos. 33/16: Fellow Jews ("Joseph" here means the tribe - actually the 2 half-tribes Manasseh and Ephraim - and thus figurative meaning).
- 5. Mos. 33/24: Fellow Jews - the other 11 Jewish tribes.
- Joshua 1/14: Fellow Jews - ahead of the other Jews.
- Joshua 1/14: Fellow Jews - help other Jews.
- Joshua 14/8: Fellow Jews - the other spies to Canaan.
- Joshua 22/3: Fellow Jews.
- Joshua 22/4: Fellow Jews.
- Joshua 22/7: Fellow Jews.
- Joshua 22/8: Fellow Jews.
- Judges 1/3: Fellow Jews (the tribe of Simonites were the "brothers" of the tribe of Judah).
- Judges 1/17: Fellow Jews - see Judges 1/3 just above.
- Judges 9/3: Fellow Jews - Abimelech was the "brother" of the people in Shechem.
- Judges 9/18: Fellow Jews - see Judges 9/3 just above.
- Judges 18/8: Fellow Jews - other members of the Jewish tribe Dan.
- Judges 18/14: Fellow Jews - see Judges 18/8 just above.
- Judges 20/23: Fellow Jews - Benjamites were the brothers of the other 11 Jewish tribes.
- Judges 20/28: Fellow Jews - see Judges 20/23 just above.
- Judges 21/6: Fellow Jews - see Judges 20/23 above.
- 1. Sam. 30/23: Fellow Jews - David's men.
- 2. Sam. 1/26: Fellow Jew - a close Jewish friend of David.
- 2. Sam. 2/26: Fellow Jews.
- 2. Sam. 2/27: Fellow Jews.
- 2. Sam. 19/12: Fellow Jews.
- 2. Sam. 19/41: Fellow Jews - the Judah tribe was the brother of the other Jewish tribes.
- 2. Sam. 20/9: Fellow Jew.
- 1. Kings 9/13: An exception: Greetings between 2 kings - but a closed group: Kings.
- 1. Kings 12/24: Fellow Jews.
- 1. Kings 13/30: Fellow Jew.
- 1. Kings 20/32: Similar to 1. Kings 9/13.
- 1. Kings 20/32: Similar to 1. Kings 9/13.
- 1. Chr. 13/2: Fellow Jews.
- 1. Chr. 15/16: Fellow Jews - fellow Levites actually.
- 1. Chr. 15/17: Fellow Jews (fellow Levites).
- 1. Chr. 15/17: Fellow Jews - the Merarites of Levi.
- 1. Chr. 15/18: Fellow Jews.
- 1. Chr. 23/30: Fellow Jews (fellow Levites).
- 1. Chr. 24/31: Fellow Jews (fellow Levites).
- 1. Chr. 24/31: Fellow Jew (fellow Levite).
- 1. Chr. 28/2: Fellow Jews - David's men and underlings.
- 2. Chr. 11/4: Fellow Jews.
- 2. Chr. 19/10: Fellow Jews.
- 2. Chr. 29/15: Fellow Jews (fellow Levites).
- 2. Chr. 30/7: Fellow Jews.
- Ezra 3/8: Fellow Jews.
- Ezra 6/20: Fellow Jews (the priests).
- Ezra 7/18: Fellow Jews ("your brother Jews").
- Ezra 8/24: Fellow Jews.
- Nehemiah 5/1: Fellow Jews ("their Jewish brothers").
- Nehemiah 5/8: Fellow Jews ("our Jewish brothers").
- Nehemiah 5/8: Fellow Jews.
- Nehemiah 10/29: Fellow Jews.
- Nehemiah 13/13: Fellow Jews.
- Isaiah 66/5: Fellow Jews (must be Jews as believing in Yahweh, at least officially).
- Isaiah 66/20: Fellow Jews - bringing them from other countries they have lived.
- Jeremiah 7/15: Fellow Jews - from the Jewish tribe Ephraim.
- Jeremiah 22/18: Fellow Jews.
- Ezekiel 11/14: Fellow Jews - your brothers included all Israel.
- Hosea 2/1: Fellow Jews. 96 Amos 1/11: Edom (descendants of Esau - see 4. Mos. 20/14 above) will be punished for sins against Jews.
- Obadiah 1/12: Similar to Amos 1/11 just above.
- Micah 5/5: Fellow Jews.
- Zech. 10/14: Fellow Jews - Judah and Israel (the southern and the northern Jewish country).
There may be a few more. For one thing we may have overlooked one or a few, and for another there are a number of cases where it is not clear whether it is meant literary or figurative, and these cases we have omitted if we were not pretty sure it was meant figuratively.
Also worth noticing here is that the few times - f.x. only 2 in Moses' speech = 5. Mos. - when Jews are not intended, the intended group always are named or clearly indicated. No Arab are named or intended anywhere in his speech - or anywhere else neither in the Bible nor in the Quran in such a connection.
Are anybody able to find Arab brothers of the Jews here? - especially when you know there are no such ones also in the Quran, and that the some 15 times Arabs and Arabia are mentioned in OT, they either are mentioned in neutral words, in negative words, or as enemies, and never as friends, not to mention close friends or relatives.
In the Quran the word "brother"/"brothers"/"brethren"/"brotherhood" is used figuratively at least these places:
- 2/220: Fellow Muslims (orphans).
- 3/103: Fellow Muslims.
- 3/156: Fellow non-Muslims.
- 3/168: Fellow Muslims (but some of them hypocrites).
- 5/106: Fellow Muslims.
- 7/65: Fellow members of the 'Ad tribe.
- 7/73: Fellow members of the Thamud tribe.
- 7/85: Fellow members of the Madyan tribe.
- 7/202: Fellow non-Muslims.
- 9/11: Fellow Muslims.
- 11/50: Fellow members of the 'Ad tribe.
- 11/61: Fellow members of the Thamud tribe.
- 11/84: Fellow members of the Madyan tribe.
- 15/47: Fellow Muslims in Paradise.
- 17/27: Spendthrifts = brothers of Satan.
- 21/92a: Fellow Muslims.
- 21/92b: Fellow Muslims.
- 26/106: Fellow members of Noah's tribe.
- 26/124: Fellow members of the 'Ad tribe.
- 26/142: Fellow members of the Thamud tribe.
- 26/161: Fellow members of "Lot's people" (he was not of them, but the rule all the same is valid as the Quran pretends he was).
- 27/45: Fellow member of the Thamud tribe.
- 29/26: Fellow member of the Madyan tribe.
- 33/5: Fellow Muslims.
- 33/6: Fellow Muslims.
- 33/18: Fellow Muslims - though hardly the strongest believers.
- 46/21: Fellow members of the 'Ad tribe.
- 49/10a: Fellow Muslims.
- 49/10b: Fellow Muslims.
- 49/12: Fellow Muslim.
- 50/13: See 26/161 above.
- 59/10: Fellow Muslims.
- 59/11: Hypocrites are the brothers of Jews and Christians.
Also in the Quran there are some cases where it is unclear whether the word is meant literally or figuratively. We have omitted the ones where we are not reasonably sure it is meant figuratively.
As you see it nearly always is talk of members of a closed group - like in the Bible. The only two exceptions are spendthrifts who are brothers of Satan/Iblis - impossible to read like "the Arabs are the brothers of the Jews" - and "hypocrites are the brothers of the Jews, the Christians and the Sabeans" ("the People of the Book") - also very difficult to read like "the Arabs are the brothers of the Jews".
To complete the lacking connection between "brother" and "Arabs":
The word "Arab" or similar is not at all mentioned in the 5 Books of Moses (except that he lived in Midian/Madyan some years - Midian is on the Arab peninsula according to Islam, but likely in Sinai in reality). But you can find it at least these places in OT:
- Judges 6/1: Midianites (if you here read "Arabs") (enemies of the Jews).
- 1. Kings 10/15 (revenue to King Solomon).
- 2. Chr. 9/14 (revenue - tax? - to King Solomon).
- 2. Chr. 17/11 (tribute to King Jehoshaphat of Jerusalem).
- 2. Chr. 21/16 (enemies of the Jews).
- 2. Chr. 22/1 (enemies of the Jews).
- Neh. 2/19 (enemies of the Jews).
- Neh. 4/7 (enemies of the Jews).
- Neh. 6/1 (enemies of the Jews).
- Isaiah 13/20 (just mentioned - in a neutral way).
- Isaiah 21/13 (a prophesy against Arabia).
- Isaiah 21/14 (from the same prophesy against Arabia as just above).
- Jer. 25/24 (the kings of Arabia must drink the cup of Yahweh's Wrath).
- Ez. 27/21 (made business with the city of Tyre).
- Ez. 30/5 (another prophesy against Arabia).
All together 15 times, always either in neutral words, in negative words or in strongly negative words (enemies). There nowhere any hint of friendship, not to mention brotherhood. As bad: Also in the Quran there are nowhere any words about brotherhood between Jews and Arabs, as shown above.
####There only is one conclusion possible: The claimed Arab brothers in Moses' speech to and about his fellow Jews, is a made up claim invented by Islam to save their "holy" book and their religion. To be right is more essential to Islam and its leaders, than to find out what is really the truth, and al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) is an ok means to use. This no matter what price all Muslims will have to pay if there is a next life and the Quran is a made up book and Islam thus a made up religion - and the Quran with all its mistakes, etc. is from no god to say the least of it.
011 2/77a: "Know they not that Allah knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal?". This is a rather obscure verse, but Muslims frequently claim - but do not agree on - that it is about the old Islamic claim that Muhammad was mentioned in the Bible, but that the Jews and the Christians have falsified it or at other points refuse to see what they claim is the real, though obscure, meaning of some verses in the book. Once more the old facts:
- Islam has not one single valid proof for Allah - it does not exist, even though uneducated or dishonest Muslims often try to claim the opposite. Serious Muslim scholars admit this, though they normally do not tell their congregations.
- Islam has not one single valid proof for Muhammad's connection to a god - which is the likely reason why they cling so strongly to the claimed "miracles" connected to Muhammad in the Hadiths, even though the Quran very clearly proves Muhammad was not connected to any miracle (then friends and foes did not have to ask for proofs, and he himself did not have to explain away his/Allah's lack of miracles - even the learned scholars of Islam admits that "the only miracle connected to Muhammad, is the Quran". The lack of proof for his connection to a god, also is a main reason why Muslims reacts so strongly to skepticism to Muhammad - he is the weak link in Islam, and if this link is broken, Islam is a false religion. They thus cannot afford the slightest doubts about Muhammad or his integrity. After all for Islam belief is more essential than to find out if the belief may be true or not.
- Muslims feel dire need to find proofs for both Allah and for Muhammad's connection to a god. No matter how strong the belief, it is not the same as a proof.
- In addition the Quran in clear words tells that Muhammad is foretold and easy to find both in OT and NT, and then Muslims HAVE to find him no matter what or how - if not something is wrong with the Quran and hence with the religion.
- It is very clear that Muhammad is not openly mentioned anywhere in the Bible - not even Muslims claim that.
- Consequently they go searching for him hidden in the texts - and it is so urgent for them to find him, that wishful thinking is far more central than objectivity.
For more see separate chapter in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" - http://www.1000mistakes.com. Also see 2/76b above and 7/157e below.
012 2/78a: "There are among them (non-Muslims*) illiterates, who know not the Book (in this case may be the Bible*), but (see therein their own) desires - - -". The Quran forgets(?) to mention that this also was the case for many a "Muslim" - Muhammad's bribes and the possibility of looting/stealing/raping/enslaving for many a warrior counted as much as real belief in Allah - often more.
2/92aa: "- - - Moses with clear signs - - -". Well, but according to the Bible - remember proved not falsified - those signs in case were for Yahweh, not for Allah.
013 2/93a: "- - - We (Allah*) raised above you (the Jews*) - - - Mount (Sinai) - - -". Not in the Bible. And as it means Allah lifted the mountain over them - in 7/171 they were afraid it could fall down on them - it also hardly is true (scientifically it is nonsense). Similar is told in 2/63a above and in 7/171 below.
We repeat from 2/63: But that Allah held the mountain over the Jews and shook it (like 7/171 adds) belongs in a collection of sailors' stories, and is a good competitor to f.x. the stories about Baron von Münchausen - super-overstated fun stories. We had a good laugh from it. (This story also is told in 2/63 and in 7/171 and thus must have been a heavy - in double meaning - argument. A local fairy tale used as a heavy argument in a holy book from an universal and timeless god, is in itself quite funny.)
###014 2/104b: "Say not (to the Messenger (Muhammad*)) words of ambiguous import, but words of respect - - -". Allah's representative wanted respect. Power and respect (and women).
015 2/135h: (Abraham) "joined not gods with Allah". According to the Bible Abraham's god was Yahweh. (Islam likes to claim - but like always never prove - that Yahweh = Allah, but the basics of those two teachings are fundamentally so different that this is impossible, unless the god is mentally ill). Also see 2/132a above and 2/255a below.
016 2/137e: "- - - Allah will suffice thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) against them (non-Muslims*) - - -". Only if he exists and in addition is a major god.
017 2/138b: "(Our religion is) the Baptism of Allah; and who can baptize better than Allah?" According to the Bible Yahweh can - consequently a contradiction to the Bible. And we remind you: In spite of Islam's never documented claim that Allah = Yahweh, that claim is true, as the basics of those two teachings are too different. Another fact is that Islam does not use baptizing.
018 2/139d: “- - - (Allah*) is our (Muslims’*) Lord and your (non-Muslim’s*) Lord - - -“. Contradicted by the Bible, where it is Yahweh/God who is the god for Jews and Christians at least. And perhaps in reality for all others. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
019 2/210a: "- - - until Allah comes - - -". This he cannot do unless he exists.
020 2/211d: "- - - after Allah's favor has come to him (a human*) - - -". After he has been introduced to Islam or may be after he has accepted it. And it does not exist unless Allah exists.
021 2/213a: “Mankind was one single nation - - -.” Mankind never was a single nation. Some 160,000-200,000 (195,000?) years ago PERHAPS one tribe, as there then seems to have been a "bottleneck" when humans nearly died out, but never one nation - and absolutely not within these last few millennia. Contradicting all scientific knowledge concerning this.
022 2/213b: "- - - Allah sent Messengers (to homo sapience when they were only one tribe(?) - see 2/213a just above*) - - -". Muhammad claimed that all people through all times all over the world have received prophets/messengers (f.x. 4/47, 16/36, 30/47, 35/24 and indirectly 22/34 and 22/67) - the number 124,000 (= 620 at any time for 5,000 years or 12-15 for 160,000-200,000. No traces found. Believe it if you can.) is mentioned in Hadiths. Neither science nor Islam has found any traces from them.
023 2/224a: "And do not make Allah's (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good - - -." Some of the old Arabs had found a nice way to avoid tasks they did not like: They told they had made an oath never to do such things, and could not break their oath. Muhammad did not like this, as they sometimes made such oaths against things he wanted them to do.
024 2/229f: "If any do transgress the limits set by Allah, such persons wrong (themselves as well as others)". Only if Allah exists and is a major god.
025 2/256d: "Truth stands clear from Error". Clear. But only if you do not refuse to see errors - like millions of Muslims have demonstrated (because to admit errors in a text pretending coming from an omniscient god, means to admit that it is not from a god and thus that something is very wrong, and such a fact is too difficult to face - it is better and easier blindly to believe in spite of proofs and facts, than to check: Can this be wrong? After all it is what your life is built on, and it takes a lot of backbone to ask such questions about the fundamentals of your life, not to mention to face the possibility that you have built your life, morality, ethics, etc. on made up and false "facts" and false values - yes, that the very culture and religion and moral code of Islam may be built on such a basis.
026 2/261c: "- - - Allah careth for all - - -". If Allah exists. If he is a god. If he is behind the stories of the Quran. And if the Quran in addition tells the full and only truth on this point.
027 2/268e: "- - - Allah careth for all - - -". If he exists. If he is a god. If he is behind what is told in the Quran. And if the Quran tells the full and only truth on this point. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)
028 2/285f: "Each of them (messengers and good Muslims*) believe in Allah - - - and His Messengers (among them Muhammad*) - - -". A variety of Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his platform of power; his god.
029 2/285h: "- - - His (Allah's*) books - - -". Remember that the Quran claims (without any proof and in reality wrongly) that Allah and Yahweh is the same god. Here it is books in plural, which must mean the Bible and the Quran. The Bible is reckoned to be the book of Yahweh, even though nearly all of it is written by humans (the exception may be the 10 commandments). The Quran is claimed to be from Allah, but no book of that quality was ever delivered by any god - not to mention revered by a god and his angels in his own "home" as the "mother book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22).
030 2/286b: (A278): ”O our Sustainer! Lay not on us (Muslims*) a burden like that which Thou didst lay on those before us - - -.” Muslims like to tell this refers to heavy burdens placed on the Jews by the Law of Moses. But in reality the Quran neither says about whom it is speaking or what kind of burden (f.x. forefathers’ burden of paganism and/or sins).
031 3/20k: "- - - in Allah's sight are (all) His servants". This only can be true if Allah exists and in addition is a god.
032 3/27c: "- - - and Thou (Allah*) bringest the Dead out of the Living - - -". Here one could be flippant and point to that his - or at least Muhammad's - followers have been good at this through the centuries, and that terrorists and others keep that tradition alive.
033 3/33a: "Allah did choose - - - the family of Abraham - - - above all people". Arabs claim - as normal without any proofs - to be the descendants of Ishmael, the illegitimate son of Abraham (in spite of that according to the Bible Ishmael's descendants settled on the border of Egypt (1. Mos. 25/18) - not in Arabia - and became a powerful people there "with twelve tribal rulers" (1.Mos. 25/16)). They (the Arabs) claim Ishmael settled in Mecca, and that they thus are descendants of Abraham. Is this the reason why Arabs through the first centuries claimed to be better than other Muslims, and thus caused lots of and lasting strife in Islam? Also see 2/125a and 2/127a above.
034 3/37j: "From Allah - - -". It is highly unlikely that anybody talked about Allah - or al-Lah as his main name was before Muhammad changed it - in the temple of Jerusalem around the time of (just before) Jesus.
035 3/40a: "O my (Zakariyya's*) Lord (claimed to be Allah*)!". Strongly contradicted by the Bible, which tells that Zakariyya's god was Yahweh.
####036 3/50a: (According to the Quran Jesus has come to Earth partly to confirm some Mosaic laws, but also:) "And to make lawful to you part of what was (before) forbidden to you - - -." This is a good verse to know, because as some of the Mosaic laws are closer to the Quran than to NT and its New Covenant (f.x. Luke 22/20), you meet Muslims throwing at you that Jesus (only) came to confirm the old laws, and consequently you have to mean this and this, etc. Or he/she throws at you some old Mosaic law, and you are bad not living up to it. Here is confirmed even in the Quran that Jesus lifted old laws - actually many of them, and even more of the ones the Jews had added later.
There also are verses in the Bible clearly telling that Jesus changed old Jewish laws - f.x. Acts 10/9-29.
037 3/52g: "Said the disciples: '- - - we believe in Allah, - - -'”. See 3/51a above.
038 3/74c: "- - - Allah is the Lord of bounties unbounded". Often claimed, never proved.
039 3/99e: "- - - the Path of Allah - - -". As the Quran is from no god, included Allah - too much is wrong - also the "path" it describes hardly from Allah.
040 3/127a: "- - - He (Allah*) might cut off a fringe of the Unbelievers to expose them to infamy, and then they should be turned back, frustrated in their purpose". Pep-talk for war/fighting.
041 3/128a: "Not for thee (Muhammad/Muslims*), (but for Allah), is the decision: Whether He turn in mercy to them (the ones opposing Allah*), or punish them - - -". This was in 625 AD. Later when the Muslims grew military stronger, Muhammad - and his successors - decided whom to "punish". And they really "punished" many.
042 3/151d: "- - - for which He (Allah*) had sent no authority - - -". Allah can send authority for exactly nothing if he does not exist, and for little more than nothing if he exists, but is no major god, neither of which is proved (he only is the main figure in a book full of mistakes, etc., and based only on the words of a doubtful and proved unreliable man, liking respect, power, riches for bribes - and women. - Proved in the Quran and other central Islamic literature ("break even your oath if that gives a better result", lies - f.x. "miracles will make no-one believe anyhow" - used in the Quran, etc.) -
###043 3/154c: "- - - moved by wrong suspicions of Allah - suspicions due to ignorance". What then is right knowledge about Allah? The only source for claimed information about him, is a book full of mistakes, dictated by a very unreliable man liking power, riches for bribes, and women. If you go by known facts correcting all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran, there are so many errors that it is highly unlikely Allah exists - and it is sure a book this full of mistakes, etc. is not from any god.
#044 3/154f “Even if you had remained in your homes, those for whom death was decreed would certainly have gone forth to the place of their death (anyhow*).” According to this, they would die anyhow - but another place and may be at a slightly different time. The laws of chaos means that this changes the future - may be much and may be for many. Allah's claimed unchangeable Plan is changed every time this happens. Something is seriously wrong also here in the Quran.
May be as bad: The claim itself is wrong. This is easy to prove by means of statistics - in addition to that it strongly conflicts and contradicts common sense and reality.
045 3/160c: "- - - if he forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you?" See 3/160b just above. Also: If the old books tell the truth, at least Yahweh can help.
046 3/173e: "- - - He (Allah*) is the best disposer of affairs". Often claimed in Islam, never documented or in any other way proved. Also contradicting the Bible quite a lot - it tells it is Yahweh who is not only best, but the only one.
047 3/181b: "Allah hath heard the taunt of those who say: 'Truly, Allah is indigent and we (non-Muslims*) are rich!" The other Arabs taunted the still poor Muslims (mainly poor people followed Muhammad in the start, and they had still not become rich from plunder) with that the Muslims were poor and they themselves were rich. One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100%, like the Quran claims many places. If man has free will - even partly only - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this:
- When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
- The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made differently.
- The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims Allah to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.
But remember as for punishment and rewards - and forgiving as results of prayers: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)
048 3/182e: "- - - Allah never harms those who serve Him". He can harm no-one unless he exists. On the other hand: If he does not exist and he just is the false pagan god al-Lah, the belief in him under the name Allah has done and continue to do his believers immeasurable harm - and especially so if there somewhere exists a god/gods Muslims are prohibited by in this case old superstition from looking for. (If Allah does not exist, or even if he exists, but is falsely described in the Quran, Islam just is strong superstition. Not to mention what it is if Allah exists, but is from the dark forces like many points in the Quran may indicate.)
049 4/18b: “Of no effect is the repentance of those who continue to do evil, until Death faces one of them, and he says, ‘Now I have repented - - -’” This is another fundamental difference between the Quran and the Bible - the Bible accepts regret up to the very end, if it is an honest regret. Remember "in the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13).
050 4/27c: "- - - the wish of those who follow their lusts (the non-Muslims*) is that ye (Muslims*) should turn away (from Him (Allah*)) - far, far away". Is that a bad idea if Allah does not exist - perhaps only is a dressed up, non-existing pagan god? - a mental idol. This even more so if the non-Muslim should happen to believe in an existing god?
051 4/59k: "(To believe in Allah*) is the best and most suitable for final determination". Strongly contradicted by the Bible, which claims it is better to believe in Yahweh. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one.
052 4/109b: "- - - but who will contend with Allah on their (hypocrites', non-Muslims'*) behalf on the Day of Judgment - - -". According to the Bible it is Yahweh you will have to contend with that day.
053 4/150+151: "- - - (those who) wish to separate Allah from His Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - - They are in truth (equally) unbelievers - - -". A stronger version of the mantra - see 4/150b just above.
054 4/160b: "- - - they (the Jews*) hindered many from Allah's Way - - -". Two never documented claims: They hindered people from finding their god, and this god was Allah. It is highly likely that both claims are wrong, as it is contradicted by the only existing source, the Bible. The second point also made very unlikely by the many errors in the Quran, which prove that that book is not from any god. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
#055 4/171l: "- - - a Spirit proceeding from Him (Allah*) - - -". A contradiction to the Bible - in the Bible the Holy Spirit belongs to Yahweh.
056 5/2b: "Violate not the sanctity of the Symbols of Allah, nor the Sacred Month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlands that mark out such animals, nor the people going to the Sacred House, seeking of the bounty and good pleasure of their Lord. But when ye are clear of the Sacred Precincts and of pilgrim garbs, ye may hunt and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part)". Some of the background for the sharia laws.
057 5/48q: "The goal of you all is to Allah - - -". If he exists. If he is a god. If he is behind what is told in the Quran. And if the Quran in addition tells the full truth and only the truth.
058 5/111a: "I (Allah*) inspired the Disciples to have faith in Me - - -". According to the Bible this was done by Yahweh.
059 5/117b: "- - - Thou (Allah*) art a witness to all things". Not unless Islam proves he exists. See 2/233b above.
060 6/19g: "Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another God?". This is typical for Muhammad's technique of debating - he claims without even trying to prove it that Allah exists, but just states it as a "fact", and then demands proofs form everyone else for anything. "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence" - Islam will have to bring proofs to be believed by rational brains, especially as the one making the claim, was such an unreliable and immoral man. (Read the Quran - skip the cheap, glorious words and read the reality; what he demanded and did, his view on the use of dishonesty and what moral rules he introduced - before you protest.)
061 6/40a: "(In*) - - - the Hour (that ye dread), would ye then call upon other than Allah?" When in danger or difficulties humans often call on a deity, this even some not strong believers. But they call on the god they believe in - which means that no-one but Muslims call on Allah.
Besides in a time of distress one would not call on a god who has never proved himself, so that most likely he does not exist, if there were alternatives. If it was possible, one would choose one who perhaps exists.
062 6/42: "Before thee (Muhammad*) We (Allah*) sent (messengers) to many nations - - -". Muhammad claimed there had been sent messengers for Islam to all groups of humans, all mankind, throughout the history - and prehistory. The number 124ooo (= 620 at any time for 5ooo years or 12-15 for 160ooo-200ooo. No traces found. Believe it if you can.) prophets through the millenniums are mentioned in Hadiths. The problem, however, is that no traces of all these claimed prophets or of the teaching of a monotheistic religion have ever been found, neither in history, nor in legends, nor in architecture (temples, etc), art, archeology, or anywhere - not even in fairy tales. The only exception is Israel, where a "narrow string" - often only one of any consequence at a time scattered through many centuries - kept the one god religion alive and mainly dominant. There is nothing else. Well, there are episodes like Akn Aton and his sun god in Egypt, but those few do not count here, especially as they clearly were pagan religions. Similar goes for Zn Persia. Nothing. No traces. And when you compare to the results of a few dozen real prophets in Israel + the traces Muhammad - one single claimed prophet - and are told that 124ooo others did not leave a single trace, you simply do not believe there ever were all those prophets - you believe it all is fantasy simply. If not Islam proves anything, but they never do - only claims. And remember: "Claims without proofs can be dismissed without proofs" - and even more so if there are strong indicia or even proofs for that they are wrong. The number 124ooo is not true - like so much else within Islam. Most likely the correct number is nil - and this may include Muhammad's claim about being a prophet (he according to the Quran was unable to make prophesies - "see the unseen" - and a man unable to make prophesies is no prophet).
063 6/59a: "- - - the treasures that none knoweth but He (Allah*)" If he exists - and if not, perhaps f.x. Yahweh knows about it.
064 6/61d: "- - - when death approaches one of you, Our (Allah's*) angels (plural*) take his soul - - -". This is another contradiction, because another place in the Quran it is said Allah takes your soul, and yet another place where it is the Angel of Death (name - singular) who does it.
065 6/63: "If He (Allah*) only deliver us from these (dangers) - - -". The strategic word here and many other places is "if". Besides: If Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims, and if nothing can change his predestinations and his Plan, why then pray for help? Either Allah has predestined that you will end in a mess, or he has predestined that you will not - prayers will not influence the predestination and the Plan, and thus is without any meaning or effect. The Quran very clearly states that nobody and nothing can change Allah's Plan.
As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are taught that a question or problem which really can have only one valid solutions, can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. F.x. in cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. Islam teaches differently. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1): Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. Islam is teaching differently. 2): The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other. Islam is teaching differently.)
Another fact: Today it is easy by means of statistical methods to check if prayers have any effect. (Let f.x. 1ooo persons each pray for one among 1ooo unknown persons sick or in other ways in need. compare the result after some time with a similar group of 1ooo who has not been prayed for, and see if there is a difference. If there is a positive difference, this would be a strong indication or perhaps even a proof for something - a proof Islam strongly and dearly needs, as they have not any proof for even a single of its central claims. But it has not even tried to make such a test. Why?)
066 6/83b: "We (Allah*) rise whom We will - - -". The standard explanation for why some had a better life than others - even being non-Muslims: Allah in his unfathomable wisdom decides. But it also is an argument in the debate also at that time: Why an Arab prophet in a line where all documented prophets were Jews? (Hud etc. were not documented).
067 6/80j: "- - - unless my Lord (here indicated to be Allah*) willeth, (nothing can happen) - - -". Contradicted by the Bible to say the least of it - Yahweh is said to be powerful. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
068 6/108a: "Reveille not ye (Muhammad/Muslims*) those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest they out of spite reveille Allah in their ignorance." This you could forget when Islam became strong enough to punish instead of being polite. This verse is abrogated – made invalid - and contradicted by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threats, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256 in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran". (At least 28 abrogations).
069 6/124e: "- - - humiliation before Allah - - -". If Allah exists. If he in addition is a central god. And if the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth about this. Also see 3/77b above.
070 6/131a: "- - - (Allah*) would not destroy for their wrongdoing men's habitations whilest their occupants were unwarned". How many times have f.x. natural catastrophes happened - also in Muslim areas - without any warnings?
071 6/152b: "- - - no burden do We (Allah*) place on any soul, but that which it can bear." Wrong. There are suicides, there are persons fleeing from their families and/or surroundings, there are mental break-downs also in Muslim societies. Many of these are because life is too tough.
072 6/152d: "- - - the Covenant of Allah - - -". Once upon a time some Boers of South Africa made a covenant with Yahweh. They promised so-and-so, and Yahweh should do such-and-such. But they forgot to check if Yahweh agreed to be part of that covenant.
Is this claim part of a similar "covenant"? - if Allah at all exists. Muslims make a covenant when declaring themselves Muslims, but there nowhere in the Quran is specified the start of a covenant from Allah's side, or its contents in the Quran. (There some places is said a covenant exists, but where and when did Allah prove his agreement to or even only state provably that "from now on the Muslims and I have such-and-such a covenant"? - nowhere in the Quran.
073 6/153b: "Verily, this is My (Allah's*) Way - - -". Is it? - when the Quran clearly is not from a god? It definitely is no proved verity/truth.
074 6/163a: “No partner hath He (Allah*): - - -”. If the Quran here means Allah, it may be correct. If it is indicating Yahweh, words of Jesus may easily be understood like the Quran here is wrong (not to use stronger words). Also see 6/101d above.
075 6/165b: "He (Allah*) hath raised you in ranks, some above others - - -". This is the Quran's explanation for differences and also for injustices in the world: Allah in his unfathomable wisdom has decided it like that.
076 7/27b: "- - - We (Allah*) made the Satan friends (only) to those without Faith". Parts of the Quran's moral code and also parts of sharia, not to mention its rules for raids and war, may indicate another truth, and make one wonder who are really the friends of Satan.
077 7/42c: “- - - no burden do We (Allah*) place on any soul, but that which it can bear - - -“. Can this be true? – also among Muslims self murder (or seeking death for Allah, when the real reason is a too difficult life), deserting one’s family or children, resorting to crime to be able to live on, etc. happen.
078 7/63c: "- - - from your (Noah's people*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". The Quran claims that there always and in all places has been preaching about the one god, Allah (but that falsification of the messages has led to belief in all the other false gods). Neither science nor Islam has found anything confirming any of these two claims.
079 7/65e: (Hud said:) "You (the Ad tribe*) have no other god but Him (Allah*)." As mentioned; according to Muhammad Allah throughout all times have been the one and main god to all people. He only has been overwhelmed and his teachings falsified by humans believing in pagan gods. Also see 6/106b above.
########It is a strange claim that an omnipotent, predestined god is not stronger than claimed made up gods - they outcompeted him all over the world.
Also (we quote Grayham Lawton): "'Surely' (etc.*) and rhetorical questions - whenever you encounter these in a text, stop and think. The author usually wants you to skate over them as if the claim is so obvious as to be beyond doubt, or the answer self-evident. The opposite is often the case." Try to count such cases in the Quran - they are MANY. Especially the never proved claim "the Truth" and similar are very often used.
080 7/146f: “- - - even if they (non-Muslims*) see all the Signs (of Allah*), they will not believe in them”. Wrong: They would - - - if the “signs” of Allah really had been real signs of Allah. F.x. see the pharaoh’s magicians. This is one more place in the Quran Muhammad knew he was lying - some reliable signs, and a lot of people will believe. Muhammad was too intelligent and knew too much about people not to know this. But NB: Only in the case of reliable signs.
081 7/166: "Be ye apes - - -". Allah said to some “bad” Jewish people (according to the Quran): “Be ye apes - - -”. Hardly likely that humans were transferred into apes. (The story is taken from a legend. And just to mention it: There is nothing similar in the Bible.)
082 7/171: “When We (Allah*) shook the Mount (Mt. Sinai*) over them (the Jews*) as if it had been a canopy, and they (the Jews*) thought it was going to fall on them - - -”. This needs strong proof from Islam, especially as it in reality is from a made up fable taken from the old Jewish book “Abodah Sarah”. The picture is clear: The god lifted the mountain, held it over the Jews like a canopy and shook it. All the same you meet Muslims who "forget" this verse about the canopy and the danger that it could fall on the Jews, and claim this was an earthquake(!). "It is the one not wanting to see, who is most blind" or "The blind man you can explain things, but the man not wanting to see, only sees what he wants to see" - choose what quote you like.
083 8/2c: "- - - put (all) their trust in their Lord (Allah*) - - -". A bit risky, as the Quran with all its errors, contradictions, etc. is not from a god, and thus Allah most likely does not exist - or he may be the pagan al-Lah/Allah, whom Muhammad dressed up under only the name of Allah.
084 8/3b: "- - - and spend (freely) out of the gifts We (Allah*) have given - - -". There were three main causes to give to: The needy, to defend and promote Islam, and the expenses of war. That to give much was a good deed, is frequently mentioned in the Quran (though not more than you could afford).
Well, there was one more cause: Give to Muhammad and his family.
085 8/41g: "- - - to Allah - and to the Messenger (Muhammad*), and to near relatives (In YA1209 we find "In the Prophet's (Muhammad's*) lifetime a certain portion was assigned to him and his near relatives"), orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer- - -". He forgot(?) to mention for the expansion of Islam and for war. Also see 63/5a below.
###086 8/46f: "- - - Allah is with those (Muslims*) who patiently persevere - - -". Well, at least it is very clear that this stratagem works, and especially against democracies, as one of the weak sides of democracies is that all too often fractions - often big fractions - do not like to fight, and wants to evade fighting, or if it starts they wants to stop it too early.
#087 8/67c: "- - - Allah looketh to the Hereafter - - -". Perhaps - if he exists and if he is a god (well, perhaps even if he is no god, but someone or something dressed up from the dark forces - also Hell is a Hereafter).
088 9/15a: "For Allah will turn (in mercy) to whom He will - - -". A seemingly rational explanation for all the injustice in the world: Allah in his limitless wisdom has decided it like this. A "one-answer-fits-all" which in reality tells nothing.
089 9/26d: "- - - thus doth He (Allah*) punish the Unbelievers - - -". But why did an omnipotent god need 10ooo-13ooo Muslims to do it? - an omnipotent god could easily do this himself. There is no logic in the claim - not unless it in reality is Muhammad who needed an "explanation" for why his followers time and again and again had to wage war.
090 9/32b: "- - - Allah will not allow but that His Light should be perfected". This he only can decide if he exists. And as for light, see 9/32a just above.
091 9/36a: "The number of months in the sight of Allah is twelve (in a year) - so ordained by Him the day He created the heavens and the earth - - -". This is worth some remarks:
- The Muslim months follow the moon, not the real year like in most of the world. But as such a month is shorter than 1/12 of a year, the Muslim year ends up being some 354 days only.
- This means that the Muslim year is an artificial construction - perhaps constructed by such a simple thing as Muhammad longing for his wives (he once quarreled with them, and swore he would not return to them until a month had passed. He returned after 29 days, claiming a month was 29 days). Likely he adopted the old pagan Arab system with that short months, (but they added extra months when needed to synchronize their years with the real years - something Muhammad omitted). A real year is the time Earth needs to circumnavigate the sun.
- The result is that the Muslim year as said is an artificial one, being some 11 days shorter than the natural year. A natural year is the time it takes Earth to go around the sun exactly one time.
- The result is that the Muslim year - and all religious holidays - wanders along the real year during ca. 33 natural years, and that 100 natural years = ca. 103 Muslim years. But as Allah according to Islam ordained this the day he created the heavens (plural and wrong) and the Earth, there is more to the story:
- When the Earth was young, the day was much shorter - may be as short as 12 hours. Are 28-29 days today the same as 28-29 days when Allah ordained this?
- When the moon was young, it was much closed to Earth - perhaps as close as 15ooo km, and circumnavigated Earth a 2 -3 times a day of our days (you have to be ca. 36ooo km up to need one day). This means that at that time 12 months were 5-6 of our days or less. If Allah ordained a year to be 5-6 days - or perhaps a dozen days as the days of that day were much shorter - can it then be correct that it now is some 60-70 times longer?
- The days are still slowly becoming longer (the reason is that Earth transfers momentum to the moon, and consequently little by little rotates more slowly). This means that in the far future a moon month will be longer than a calendar month. Will a year still be 12 months?
- After enough years the rotation of the Earth has slowed so much that one day corresponds to the time it takes the moon to circumnavigate the Earth. (It is likely the process will stop there, for from then on Earth will not transfer more momentum to the moon). That means that the moon seems to stand still at one place over the Earth all the time - f.x. over Sumatra - and there will be no months any more. How long is the year then?
Allah's year - like f.x. his moral code - is an artificial one.
092 9/59e: "Sufficient unto us is Allah!" Only if he exists and is a major god.
093 9/64c: "- - - verily (it definitely is no proved verity/truth*), Allah will bring to light - - -". Allah or something/somebody else? Allah himself can do nothing unless he exists, and little unless he in addition is something supernatural, black or white.
094 9/78b: "Know they not that Allah doth know their secret (thoughts) and their secret counsels - - -". The answer simply is no. It is not possible to know something which is not proved - one can believe, even believe strongly, but it only is belief, not knowledge. (But remember that there exist at least three kinds of proofs in addition to the mathematically strong one; the circumstantial, the inductive, and the empirical ones - when you give f.x. empirical proofs for that something is wrong with the Quran, Muslims normally demands mathematical proofs, and not all questions fit the frame for mathematical proofs - - - whereas Islam themselves never prove anything at all - they just use claims and demands for that you shall prove it wrong. In such cases demand proofs from them for that their claim(s) is/are right before even starting debating - it always is the duty of the one who put forth a claim, to prove his/her claim, not yours to disprove it - - - and besides they never will be able to give real proofs for anything central in Islam. (Remember here that a proof is "one or more proved facts which can only give one conclusion" - Muslims use not proved claims and/or information which can give more than one conclusion, but claiming that the conclusion they want, is the correct one. In none of these cases the proof is a valid one.
095 9/109a: “Which then is best? - he (Muslim*) that layeth his foundation on piety to Allah - - - or he (non-Muslim*) that layeth his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces?” If there existed a small proof for Allah’s existence, there was no doubt about the answer. As it is, both may be equal. Well, if some builds on the Bible, there is a possibility that he/she is best off.
096 9/116c: "Unto Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth". Strongly contradicted by the Bible, which claims it belongs to Yahweh. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
Also: This quote is one of the MANY never proved claims in the Quran - totally without value as a proof.
097 9/129a: "Allah sufficeht me (a Muslim*) - - -". This only can - can - be true if he exists, and in addition is a god.
098 10/43c: "- - - they (skeptics*) will not see - - -". What Muhammad means here is "they will not see things my way". There were good reasons for them not to do that - f.x. all the mistakes in his teaching/the Quran.
099 10/104c: "- - - Allah - Who will take your (peoples'*) souls (at death) - - -". One more of the easy claims any believer in any religion can make on behalf of his god(s) as long as no proof is necessary.
100 11/7h: "Ye (humans*) shall indeed be raised up after death". An interesting claim as Muhammad and his god never really proved they had such power (it is mentioned one place quoting a legend), whereas if the old books tells the truth, Yahweh proved such power several times. But an NB to warriors.
101 11/18d: "- - - the Curse of Allah - - -". What is it worth if Allah is something from the dark forces (he is not a god if he is behind the Quran - too much is wrong)? - and what is it worth if Allah is a fiction from a sick brain (f.x. TLF - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - like modern science thinks)? - and what is it worth if Allah just was a fiction in a human brain? (Religious fiction has many a time made a good platform of power for a man or a group.)
102 11/110a: “We (Allah*) certainly gave the Book to Moses, - - -”. According to science he certainly did not - those books are written 400-700 years later. (The Bible tells Moses got the 10 commandments written on tablets of stone + he got the law verbally and wrote it down later himself. "The Law" is sometimes used as a name for the Books of Moses, but in reality the laws only is a part of it).
103 12/66d: "- - - be Allah the Witness and Guardian!" Neither of which is possible unless he exists. And if he exists, but belongs to the dark forces, he in both cases is unreliable. Just for the record: He is no god if he is behind the Quran with all its errors.
##104 13/11a: "For every (such person (here in reality everybody*)) there are (angels) in succession (= working shifts*), before and behind him - - -". Remember this and similar verses each time the Quran or a Muslim tells you that angels could not visit Muhammad and prove to his followers and doubters and opponents that he spoke the truth, because the sending down of angels meant that the Day of Doom had arrived.
105 13/28b: “- - - for without doubt in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find satisfaction”. This only is true for (some) Muslims, and in difficult times also some others seeking comfort in religion. Science tells that a minor fraction of the people (may be 5 - 10%) has an internal drive for a god - for something strong to lean to - and some more resort to such thinking when life is difficult. (In 2006 or 2007 they even found a gene in our DNA which produces this drive. One theory is that religion is favored by evolution because it makes the group closer knit and then the chances for survival bigger). These people find satisfaction in their religion - no matter which religion - if they do believe in it. And if they happen to be Muslims, they then find satisfaction in Allah. But NB: The satisfaction does not derive from the god they believe in – he/she may well be a fiction, like Allah seems to be (strongly indicated by all the mistakes in the Quran) – but from their own belief, as it is strong enough to make them feel sure it is right, and then feel secure in that security (false or not does not matter, as long as they themselves believe their belief is right). There is a possibility that this feeling of security, and hence safety and reduced nervousness, is another Darwinian reason for this inherited trait – it may in some way give an edge in the fight for survival.
The question these ideas of course produce is: Is there a god or are they all made up from our needs for something supernatural?
We should try to find out, because if it all stems from inside us, we should try to do something with the inhuman and immoral religions, to which Islam belongs - remember the basis for all inter-human real moral; "Do onto others what you want others do onto you". Few religions are further away from this than Islam.
106 13/43d: (YA1868): “Enough for a witness between me (Muhammad*) and you “non-Muslims*) is Allah - - -". The old problem: Not unless he exists and is a god. (If he exists and is from the dark forces he may be a rather unreliable witness.)
107 13/43e: (YA1868): “Enough for a witness between me (Muhammad*) and you “non-Muslims*) is Allah, and such as have knowledge of the Book (the Quran*)” = the Quran is a witness for that I am a prophet, and the ones who study it, sees that and bear witness. Or: “- - - as all knowledge in the Book comes from Allah, the Quran also bears witness to me” = the Quran is a direct witness. What is your choice?
On the other hand: All the mistakes, etc. in the book makes it a lousy witness. There in addition is the fact that no god would make his representative make so many mistakes, and no good and benevolent god would use an as harsh robber baron as Muhammad for his representative. And not least: Compare Jesus' views on the use of dishonesty, stealing, rape, suppression, murder, etc. with the ones of Muhammad - no comment necessary.
###108 14/5d: “Bring out thy (Moses’*) people (the Jews*) from the depth of darkness into light, and teach them to remember the Days of Allah”. We just remind you that Muhammad claimed Allah = Yahweh - a claim which is easy to see is wrong, as the fundamental ideas and ideologies in the teachings are too deeply different (Jesus love and peace and empathy, Muhammad Nazi-like haughtiness, discrimination and war - and lawful dishonesty (al-Taqiyya, stealing/looting, etc.)). Because of this claim, he uses the name Allah for Yahweh. This mistake is so obvious and so easy to see, that often we do not bother to comment on it.
109 14/6d: "(Pharaoh Ramses II*) slaughtered your (the Jews'*) sons, and let your women-folk live: therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord". According to the Bible this was a misdeed from the Pharaoh, not a trial from the god.
110 15/57b: "O ye messengers (of Allah) - - -". As these were angels, it is worth remembering this sentence, because the Quran some places says all messengers to man were men.
111 15/69a: "- - - fear Allah - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells that the god of Lot was Yahweh, not Allah.
*112 16/15b: “And He (Allah*) has set upon the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; - - -”. What the Quran here really means, is that the Earth can start wobbling and even perhaps tip around and drop you off, if the mountains do not keep the flat Earth stable. Modern Muslims normally claim the book talks about earthquakes - but mountains do not stabilize earthquakes, too - on the contrary sometimes - so also this "explanation" is wrong. You may also meet the claim that the Quran means the 10 - 60 km thick crust of the Earth can start wobbling on the liquid magma underneath, if mountains do not stabilize it (do not laugh - it is impolite).
113 16/17d: "Will ye (people*) not receive admonition?". Sure. But Allah is unable to give if he does not exist. And if he exists, but is from the dark forces, maybe we had better leave it.
114 16/96b: "- - - what is with Allah will endure." There is nothing with Allah if he does not exist (and what is with him if he belongs to the dark forces, is an open question) - he at least is no god if he is behind the Quran and all its errors, etc.
115 16/118b: "To the Jews We (Allah*) prohibited such things - - -". Islam claims that the reason for the Jews' strict rules for lawful - kosher - food, is that they sinned too much against the god (and as Muslims had sinned little, they did not need to use the Jewish food prohibitions mostly.) By the way here is a small curiosity: Among others YA gives this explanation, and says this is said in the Law of Moses. But his reference (in YA2159) is not to the Laws of Moses, but to a verse in the Quran! - and a verse which mention the Jews' hard hearts, but says nothing about food or prohibited food. And by the way once more: If there is a verse in the Law of Moses - or anywhere in the 5 Books of Moses - saying that the strict food rules for the Jews were new rules made as punishment, we have not found that verse.
116 17/1g: “(Allah took Muhammad*) to the Farthest Mosque (and from there to Heaven according to Islam, but not according to the Quran*)” = the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem according to Islam (but the Dome of the Rock was not built yet, the Jewish Temple was destroyed, and no mosque, no church, and no temple existed there at that time) – but Muslims still disagree on whether it was a real trip or a dream. Aishah tells in the Hadiths that he did not leave her bed that night, so most likely it was a dream (or even so likely a made up legend). There also is another fact: Humans do not go to Heaven until after the Day of Doom according to many places both in the Bible and the Quran. Muhammad met several humans on this trip, which would not be possible until after the Day of Doom - and the day of Doom had not happened in 621 AD naturally (and not later too) so this could not have happened in or around 621 AD if it had really happened - it has to have been a dream or a fairy tale/legend. But of course it would have had been more impressive if it had been a real happening. Also the information(?) had been more reliable - a dream after all is just a dream. May be because of this, many Muslims cling to the claim that the trip was real. But then Muslims have a tendency to give wishful thinking a priority over facts and logic. ########It is an absolute fact that except perhaps for Jesus, Muhammad could not meet the ones the tales claim he met in the heavens, because they were dead, but not yet resurrected as the Day of Doom had not yet been - this is indirectly very clear from the Quran.
And one fact Islam and Muslims NEVER mention: There exist at least 2 Muslim manuscripts mentioning that Muhammad one night went from a small town with a mosque, al-Jirana, 9 miles/15 km north of Mecca, up to Mecca/Kabah and back. This early (621 AD?) this likely was the farthest mosque for Muhammad - there existed only a very few at that time. It is likely this was this trip Muhammad made.
ONE MORE STRONG FACT: IF THIS HAD BEEN A REAL TRIP, THERE IS NO CHANCE AT ALL THAT IT HAD NOT BEEN FAR - VERY FAR - MORE THOROUGHLY DESCRIBED IN THE QURAN, AND ALSO AN ABSOLUTELY SURE ARGUMENT TO MEET EACH TIME SOMEONE ASKED FOR A PROOF FOR ALLAH OR FOR MUHAMMAD'S CONNECTION TO A GOD. AS IT IS MENTIONED O N L Y IN THIS ONE AND SINGLE VERSE IN THE QURAN, THERE IS NO CHANCE FOR THAT THIS WAS A REAL AND GRAND TOUR TO JERUSALEM, THE 7 NON-EXISTING HEAVENS TO MEET ALLAH AND BACK. MUHAMMAD WAS FAR TOO MUCH OF A STRATEGIST NOT TO USE SUCH A TRIP FOR WHATEVER IT WAS WORTH, AND HE NEVER MENTIONED ANYTHING - NOT ONE WORD EXCEPT THE FEW AND DOWN-TO-EARTH ONES HERE IN 17/1.
117 17/1h: "- - - the Farthest Mosque (here likely the Kabah in Mecca - see 17/1g), whose precincts We (Allah*) did bless - - -". This blessing was only possible if Allah exists.
118 17/2e: "Take no other than Me (Allah*) as Disposer of (your (Moses*)) affairs". The unavoidable fact: Allah can be the disposer of nobody's affairs if he does not exist (and if he exist and is from the dark powers - he is not a god if he is behind the Quran with all its mistakes - he may be quite a special disposer).
119 17/3a: "Ye that are sprung from those We (Allah*) carried (in the Ark) - - -". According to the Bible the involved god was Yahweh, not Allah.
120 17/5b: “- - - We (Allah*) sent against you (the Jews*) Our servants (attackers from Assyria) given to terrible warfare - - -”. Israel was attacked some times during the time of OT (local enemies many times, but Assyria and Babylonia are best known), but for natural reasons no Muslim was involved (1000 years and more too early).
According to the Bible also the god involved was Yahweh, not Allah.
*121 17/12h: “- - - all things have We (Allah*) explained in detail”. Wrong. A lot of things are not explained in detail - f.x. Muslim laws have had to be supplemented with many more paragraphs than the ones in the Quran and in Hadith - and still Muslim law are far from perfect concerning modern life and societies, and even concerning daily life. And just? - A man telling that a woman has behaved indecently is lying to Allah according to Allah and the Quran, if he cannot produce 4 witnesses, THIS EVEN IF HE SPEAKS THE FULL TRUTH, AND THE OMNISCIENT ALLAH OF COURSE KNOWS THIS. And much worse: A raped woman is to be severely punished if she cannot produce 4 MEN to witness that it really was rape - normally absolutely impossible. (For one thing rape normally happens in hidden places, and for another: How many men will come forth to tell: “We saw that she was raped, but did not try to help her” - and then be strictly punished for that omission? Those two points in the Quran are the most horribly unjust and inhuman paragraphs we have ever seen or heard about in any civilized(?) law. Is sharia civilized? Is Allah good or/and just? Judge for yourself. For similar claims see 15/1 -16/89 – 24/34 – 26/2 – 27/1 – 36/69 - 43/2 – 44/2.
But there is no doubt that the Quran means everything is correctly explained = the texts in the book are to be understood literally. AND IF ALLAH HAS EXPLAINED EVERYTHING IN DETAIL, HOW IS IT THEN POSSIBLE FOR HUMANS TO EXPLAIN THINGS BETTER? - OR TO EXPLAIN THAT ALLAH HAS BEEN UNABLE TO TELL WHAT HE "REALLY" MEANT, SO THAT HUMANS MUST EXPLAIN HIS "REAL" MEANING?
122 17/16b: “When We (Allah*) decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life (= the rich and/or leaders*) and yet transgress - - -”. This Islam will have to prove, because f.x. many a natural catastrophe has happened absolutely without a warning - f.x. the tsunami which in December 2004 hit Muslims far, far harder than any other religion. We never heard that f.x. Indonesia or Sumatra or Ashe had received warnings.
123 17/30c: "Verily thy (Muslims'/Muhammad's*) Lord (Allah*) doth provide sustenance in abundance to whom he pleaseth - - -". When someone is richer than you, it is because Allah in his deep wisdom for some reason has decided it so.
124 17/68: "Do ye then feel secure that He (Allah*) will not - - -". Four facts indicate that one is pretty secure: There never was a proof for Allah’s existence, there never was a proof for Allah's claimed power, it is very clear that the Quran is full of mistakes, and thus not from a god, and Allah has till now not done one single documented thing - positive or negative in 1400 years. Also see 3/77b above.
125 17/71d: "- - - those who were given their records in their right hand (will go to Heaven, whereas those who get it in their left hand go to Hell*) - - -". In the old Arabia the right side was the lucky side and the left the unlucky one. In addition there are all the cases where it does not matter what hand you receive anything with - which are the most cases. Say 25% chance for that superstition in Heaven is the same as in old Arabia? - if there is superstition in Heaven?. Another thing: Another place in the Quran it is told that the lucky ones get their paper from in front, whereas the unlucky ones get them from behind. Muslims explains that the unlucky ones get it into their left hand behind their back, etc. A bit special way of doing it, but ok, so much is wrong in the Quran, that it is not worth the time to debate a curiosity like this.
######126 17/88c: (YA2289): "The proof of the Quran is in its own beauty and nature, and the circumstances in which it was promulgated - - -". #######This is such a silly sentence that at first we did not take it into this text. But on the other hand it is one of the very few, if not the only "proof" Islam has got for its religion. A book where the language is beautiful - - - after being polished for 250 years (from ca. 650 AD till ca. 900 AD) by top scholars. And what is the nature of the book: A bloody, inhuman and to a great part immoral war religion very far from "do unto others like you want others do onto you" - and the book itself flowing over of mistaken facts and other mistakes, of contradictions and cases of invalid logic, unclear language, etc. And the circumstances? Claimed received by a person liking power and later during his bloody reign as the leader of highwaymen and in the end as a warlord - some godly circumstances!!? And this is the only - or at least one of the very few - "proofs" for that Islam is a genuine religion, not according to us, but as you see according to central and certified Islamic religious literature. Except for the claimed, but invalid "signs" listed in the book.
###########The fact that it is so well known that the Quran was polished for some 250 years and only got something like its present form around 900 AD, that it tells something about Islam that even their top scholars use "proofs" like this.
"A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion".
"Strong claims need strong proofs.
"A claim without a proof maybe dismissed without a proof".
"Claims are cheap, but only proofs are proofs".
"- - - blind "taqlid", i.e. an unthinking acceptance of religious doctrines or assertions - - - ((A)23/11). How many millions of Muslims are practicing this?
127 17/95b: "If there were settled, on earth, angels walking about in peace and quiet, We (Allah*) should certainly have sent down from heaven an angel for a messenger". The underlying meaning is that as angels do not live on Earth, Allah could not use angels as messengers for beings living on Earth. But according to the Quran Allah used angels for such jobs - to f.x. Abraham. Lot, Mary and Jesus (remember also that the Holy Spirit = the angel Gabriel according to many Muslims). Muhammad sometimes uses different excuses for why angels cannot come and prove he has supernatural connections or give proofs for the existence of Allah (obvious excuse is the claim that Allah cannot send down angels, because that would mean the Day of Doom had arrived (in spite of that other points in the Quran tells about angels on Earth), or that it would give no good results because angels would have to take the shape of men - he does not explain why).
This is one more of Muhammad's "explanations" for why Allah could not send proofs for his claimed existence and power, or for Muhammad's connection to the claimed god.
####128 17/99b: "See they (non-Muslims*) not that Allah, Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth, has power to create the like of them (anew)?". This is a debate technique you meet many places in the Quran and from Muslims: They take a lose claim, treat it like a proved fact, and use it as basis for "logical" conclusions. Such "conclusions" are totally without logical or factual value, but they look logical. To reveal the cheating you do not attack the invalid conclusion, because the logic itself may be ok, but show that the claim they build the logic and the conclusion on, is invalid as it is not a proved fact. There are MANY cases of such "logic" in the Quran.
129 17/103a: "So he (Ramses II*) resolved to remove them (the Jews*) from the face of earth - --". This is not from the Bible. The Bible tells Ramses regretted loosing so many slaves and wanted to recapture them. (2. Mos. 14/5).
###130 17/103b: “- - - We (Allah*) did drown him (Pharaoh Ramses II) and all who were with him.” The pitiful fact is that we know from history that Ramses II did not drown. He even did not die until some years after possible the exodus, according to history.
- 10/92: “This day (the same one as in 17/103*) shall We (Allah*) save thee in the body - - -“. The Quran mainly tells that the Pharaoh did drown (even though Pharaoh Ramses II did not die from drowning, and not until some years later than when science says the Exodus took place – if it took place). But here either that is contradicted – or Allah in reality contradicted his own promise of “saving the Pharaoh in the body”, which should mean “bodily”, “safely”.
131 18/17a: “Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their (the 7 sleepers‘*) Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the open space in the midst of the Cave. Such are among the signs of Allah - - -”. Some sign; presumed sleeping men in a lightly revised fairy tale. (But the Quran have nearly no tale not known beforehand in Arabia - all are taken from older fairy tales, folk tales, fables, legends, apocryphal/made up) scriptures, the Bible, the Torah and a few from tales from countries further east, and then twisted a little to fit in the Quran. It was not strange that skeptics told Muhammad and Muslims that they just told old tales.)
#132 18/22b: "Say thou (Muslim*): 'My Lord (Allah*) knoweth best their (the sleepers'*) number - - -". But the Quran claims it is just Allah who is speaking throughout this story (he is speaking in 1. person) - why then this expression and why is an omniscient god unsure about the number??
133 18/26a: "Say: 'Allah knoweth best how long they (the sleepers*) stayed - - -". See 18/22b above.
134 18/26e: "- - - how clearly He (Allah*) sees, how finely He hears (everything)! (If he lives where Muhammad claimed - above the 7. heaven, he can hear nothing, as the air is too rarefied to transmit sound waves - two facts any god had known, but not Muhammad.
135 19/68b: “So, by thy Lord (Allah*), without doubt - - -”. With all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran, there are good reasons for doubts.
##136 19/69c: "- - - obstinate rebellion against (Allah) - - -". Opposition against Islam is not rebellion if Allah does not exist or for other reasons is not a god. The same if he do exist, and even if he in case is a god, but is not correctly described among all the mistakes in the Quran. Then it is pure common sense. Not to mention if he is from the dark forces.
137 20/115: "We (Allah*) had already, beforehand, taken a covenant with Adam - - -". Once more a contradiction with the Bible, which says Adam's god was Yahweh, not Allah.
138 20/133c: "Why does he (Muhammad*) not bring us (people*) a Sign from his Lord (Allah*)?" This actually was and is one of the big questions - Muhammad never was able to prove anything of any consequents concerning his claims and his new religion, even though both friends and opponents asked for proofs, and even though proofs would mean much for his preaching and for the progress of Islam. He had to explain away all such questions, sometimes with lies (f.x. no intelligent man knowing a little about people believe that miracles would not make at least some skeptics Muslims).
##139 21/32c: “And We (Allah*) have made the heavens (plural and wrong*) as a canopy well guarded - - -”. Muhammad was unable to see the difference between stars and shooting stars. In the Quran it is told that the shooting stars (mistaken for being ordinary stars) are “arrows” used to chase away bad spirits or jinns (beings “borrowed” from old Arab pagan religion and folklore and unknown to any other “prophet” than Muhammad) wanting to spy on Heaven. Any child today knows the difference between a real star and a shooting star, and also what would happen on and to the Earth if shooting stars were real stars. Even a baby dwarf god had known this - but Muhammad not, as it is modern knowledge. The impertinent or pertinent question is: Who then composed the Quran?
140 21/80a: “It was We (Allah*) Who taught him (King David*) the making of coats of mail”. This is piece of extra interesting information (also in 34/11): The Quran tells that Allah taught David how to make coats of mail (also named chain mail or ring mail). Soldiers and warriors have used mail - f.x. scaled mail - for thousands of years, but coats of mail were not invented until around 300 BC, according to Wikipedia - some 600 - 700 years after David - and then by the Celts, who were not very close to Allah and far away from David. Any god had known this, but Muhammad not. Then who made the Quran?
141 21/104a: “The day We (Allah*) roll up the heavens (plural and wrong - like some 180 other places in the Quran where the word is used separately, and at least 199 places all in all*) like a scroll - - -”. It is not possible to roll up an optical illusion. And at least the observable universe (see 51/47c) is a sphere – diameter 27.4 billion light-years – and how to roll up a sphere? (Of course Islam can say the universe (see 51/47c) is (part of) a “brane” (a thick “sheet” of stars and galaxies some trillion light-years wide) – another contradiction to the Quran in case – but then they first will have to prove that “branes” exists, as they just are a scientific or science fiction speculations).
142 22/34e: "- - - submit then your (Muslim's*) will to Him (Allah*) (in Islam) - - -". A bit risky without first checking if Allah exists and is a god, and if Islam is reality or made up - it is easy to see for the ones not blinded by belief, that too many facts are wrong. Not to mention: What if the theory that Gabriel in reality was someone from the dark forces in disguise, is right?
Was it a coincident that Muhammad never was able to prove that he represented a god?
143 22/37a: “It is not their (the sacrificial animals*) meat nor their blood, that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him - - -“. Does an omniscient god have to see you killing helpless animals to see that you are a pious believer? – not if he really is omniscient. If Allah really is omniscient and if the only purpose with sacrificing animals is to prove your piety, then the sacrifice in reality is without meaning, as an omniscient god all the time knows very well whether you are a pious believer or not. This also according to the Quran, which tells Allah knows even your innermost thoughts. Actually the Quran many places makes it absolutely clear that Allah knows also the innermost corners of even the deepest parts of your soul. To what avail and what meaning and what logic is a “test” or a “proof” of your piety, if Allah already knows the answer on beforehand? - and by the way: The same goes for testing your piety in war and battle and kill and be killed, something that even was meaningless if Allah were a good god - not to mention if he knows the answer already. Even worse: What is the purpose and what is the meaning of such slaughtering if Allah really predestines everything? - if he has predestined that you shall sacrifice a sheep or a camel, then it is not even a test of tour piety; it only is Allah playing a childish, bloody and meaningless game. And exactly the same goes for testing you in war.
*144 22/40f: “- - - monasteries, churches, synagogues, - - -, in which the name of Allah is commemorated - - -“. The name of Allah is not commemorated there – on the contrary the name of Yahweh (or simply God) is what one commemorates there. Muslims will claim that it is the same god – as usual without proving anything - but the teachings are fundamentally so different, that it is impossible that they are the same unless the god is mentally seriously ill. Also they will claim that the reason for the differences in the teachings are that the Bible is willfully falsified – something science (and even more so Islam) long since has proved for one thing is not true (even the oldest scriptures are like today, except for minor mistakes normal when manuscripts are copied by hand), and for another was physically impossible (not possible to make the same falsifications in all the thousands of manuscripts spread over thousands of kilometers and owned by thousands of different owners – who often even disagreed (even strongly sometimes) on many topics). How would you f.x. make Jews and Christians agree on what and how to falsify in the OT? But it was the only way out and the only way Muhammad could save his religion and his platform of power when he finally understood how much was different between his teachings and the Bible.
145 22/60c: "- - - if one has retaliated to no greater extent than the injury he received, and is again set upon inordinately, Allah will help him - - -". If you are attacked more times after a reasonable reaction the first time, you are permitted to do whatever you like and use whatever means, and Allah will accept and forgive it (A22/74). Also this widely different from the moral ideas behind NT. Not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad absolutely not in the same religion (remember f.x. Jesus' "Love your enemy", "Turn the other cheek".
As for forgiving from Allah: Also see 2/187d and 67/9c above.
146 22/67a: "To every people We (Allah*) appointed rites and ceremonies - - -". Is this correct? Hardly - Muhammad did not get his rites etc. from Allah, he just took them over from the old pagan Arabs. And these also all other people have to follow, even (former) Jews and Christians who presumably really got some of their rites and ceremonies from the god. (Christians in reality got no fixed rites, except the baptizing and following the requests of Jesus made his last supper (f.x. Matt. 26/26-28), and even those did not get a defined rite from "above".)
147 23/17b; (YA2876): We simply quote: “Thara’iq"; tracts, roads, orbits, or paths in the visible heaven. These seven (tracts, heavens*) are clearly marked to our eyes (??*), in the immense space that we see around us. We must go to astronomy to form any plausible theories to these motions. But their simplest observation gives us a sublime view of beauty, order, and grandeur in the universe. The assurance given in the next clause, that Allah cares for us and all His Creation, calls out attention to Allah’s goodness, which is further illustrated in the subsequent verses.” #####A lot of words to avoid explaining anything about the 7 material heavens with the stars fastened to the lowest one (37/6-7, 41/12), and with stars used as shooting stars to chase away spying jinns and bad spirits, which is what the Quran in reality is speaking about. Here things are clear, but is made unclear and wrapped up in verbal wool to tuck away wrongs which the Quran clearly states many places, but is unable to "explain away".
Dishonesty by evasion.
148 23/62a: "On no soul do We (Allah*) place burdens it cannot bear - - -". Wrong. There f.x. are self murder also in Islam - a few of them may even be camouflaged as self murder terrorists. And there are persons fleeing from their families. And persons with mental problems so big that it hurts or destroys them mentally. They are unable to bear their burdens.
149 25/21d: "- - - impiety - - -". = Not believing in Allah and Muhammad - every other belief is impiety, according to the Quran. Note strongly that you also have to believe in Muhammad - nice for Muhammad here on Earth.
#####150 26/67d: (YA3173): "- - - people who are blind in their obstinate resistance to the Truth, accomplish their own destruction - - -". Worth thinking over as all the errors in the Quran, etc. and also the fact that Muhammad sometimes speaks in the book, and even at least a few lies the book, proves 100% and more that it is an unavoidable truth that something is seriously wrong with the Quran - and hence with Islam. (For some reason or other Islam and its Muslims seldom claim that Islam is the religion of honesty.)
151 26/172: "But the rest (Sodom and Gomorrah*) We (here indicated Allah*) destroyed utterly". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells this was done by Yahweh, not by Allah. (And also by different means.) Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
152 26/173: "We (Allah*) rained down on them (Sodom and Gomorrah*) a shower (of brimstone)- - -". Also other places in the Quran it is said brimstones - the Bible says burning sulfur (1. Mos. 19/24). A small, but clear contradiction.
153 27/11a: "- - - if any have done wrong and have thereafter substituted good to take the place of evil - - -". The Quran value the balance between good and evil deeds stronger than NT, where the goodness of and forgiving from the god is more central than in the Quran (even though also the Quran stresses forgiving, etc.)
154 28/12a: "And We (Allah*) ordained that he refused the suck at first - - -". Sucking whom? Also here the Quran deviated from the Bible. There Miriam (Moses' sister) followed Moses and simply went up to the daughter of the pharaoh shortly after Moses was found by her and asked her if she, Miriam, should find someone to care for the baby for her (2. Mos. 2/7). From where did Muhammad get this extra piece of information? As the Quran is not from a god, and as the Bible is the only known written source, there only remains legends, fairy tales and fantasy.
155 28/40b: “So We (Allah*) sized him (Pharaoh*) and his host, and Flung them into the sea: now behold what was the End of those who did wrong!” Well, one thing is that according to the Bible, they were not flung into the sea. But more essential just here is this contradiction:
- 19/92: “This day (the same day as 28/40*) shall We (Allah*) save thee (Pharaoh Ramses II*) in the body - - -.” Not “save the body” like many Muslims like to insist, but “in the body” = save him bodily - alive.
156 28/42: "In this world We (Allah*) made a Curse to follow them (Ramses II and his people*) - - -". Not from the Bible (like many of the details in this story). Then from where, as the claim that it is from a god is wrong? - too many errors in the book.
157 28/43b: “We (Allah*) revealed to Moses the Book (wrong - the books of Moses were written 4 to 7 centuries later according to science*) after We had destroyed the earlier generations - - -”. More generations between Noah and Moses killed off - Allah was a far keener worker than Yahweh, at least in the killing business. But which generations? (The Bible tells the Jews did not enter their promised land until the generation who had lived in Egypt had died off - 40 years later under Joshua. But if this is what is meant, there is a difference between "died off naturally" and "destroyed".
158 28/49c: “Then bring ye (non-Muslims*) a Book (the Quran*) from Allah - - - if ye are truthful!" Muhammad always demanded proofs from everybody else - but NEVER proved anything essential himself. This means he meant proofs were essential, but that he himself was unable to produce such essentials.
Muhammad even was unable to prove the Quran was from Allah or from any other god. Was he truthful?
159 28/60a: "- - - but that which is with Allah is better and more enduring - - -". Correct - but only if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth. And if it is from a god - and if Allah exists and is a god.
160 28/71b: "If Allah were to make the night perpetual over you to the Day of Judgment, what god is there other than Allah, who can give you enlightenment?" A theoretical experiment totally without logical value as an argument, as long as it is not proved Allah 1): exists, 2): can do it.
161 28/78d: "- - - superior to him (Qarun*) in strength and greater in the amount (of riches) - - -". You find sentences like this here and there in the Quran. It is meant to magnify Allah and his power - - - but why did Muhammad need to magnify a claimed omnipotent and omniscient god and his power?
162 29/31a: "When Our (Allah's*) Messengers (angels*) came to Abraham - - -". This contradicts verses in the Quran which tell that messengers to humans only were men.
##163 31/12e: "Any who is (so) grateful (towards Allah*) does so to the profits of his own soul - - -". What kind of profit? If the Quran is a made up book - and with all its errors, etc. it at least is from no god - "ergo" Islam is a made up religion representing the dressed up pagan god al-Lah. Not much profit neither for body or soul - except for the imams, mullahs, and other religious leaders, included Muhammad.
164 31/20a: "Do ye (people*) not see that Allah has subjected to your (use) all things in the heavens and on earth - - -". No, we do not see that. For one thing not all things are for our use, and for another there is no indication anywhere for that Allah has done so. There even nowhere is or was a proof for his existence or for Muhammad's connection to him.
165 32/23b: "We (Allah*) did indeed aforetime give the Book to Moses - - -". Those books (5 - normally called the Books of Moses) were according to science written 4 to 7 centuries after Moses was dead. (He got the 10 Commandments and was told the law only, according to the Bible – and being 1000 years older and built on real traditions, the Bible is more reliable on this point. The law itself may be from the time of Moses, but the books not. We may add, though, that he wrote down the law he got from Yahweh (5. Mos. 31/9), and this writing sometimes was called "The Book of Covenance" - it was not given from the god and not identical to the younger "Books of Moses".) Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
166 32/23g: "- - - We (Allah) made it (the book Muhammad claimed Allah gave Moses*) a guide for the Children of Israel". There is little doubt that the god of the Jews was Yahweh, not Allah.
167 32/23h: "- - - We (Allah) made it (the book Muhammad claimed Allah gave Moses*) a guide for the Children of Israel". There is little doubt that what became the guide for the Jews, was the laws which later was incorporated in the Torah. Laws which on some central points have little similarity to the Quran's.
168 33/4a: “Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body - - -“. Wrong. This really has happened – like almost anything else in the complicated creation which is man.
169 33/43b: "- - - His (Allah's*) angels - - -". Allah has no angels unless he exists and is a god (we have seen no angels of Iblis/the Devil in the Quran*).
170 33/52d: "- - - Allah doth watch over all things". Perhaps - if he exists and is something supernatural, white or dark.
171 34/10d: "And We (Allah*) made the iron soft for him (David*)". Anyone is permitted to believe the iron was softer for David than for anybody else. But among other facts, it is a fact that this is not mentioned in the Bible, and the Jews had hardly omitted miracles from facts about their greatest king - if it had been true.
172 34/12d: “- - - and We (Allah*) made a Font of molten brass to flow for him (Solomon*) - - -“.
- To keep s fountain of molten brass running, was technically impossible at that time. (Also this is not from the Bible - see 34/12b above).
- If it had been running all the same, there is no chance at all for that it had been forgotten or omitted from the Bible - too mighty a wonder to omit.
173 34/12e: “- - - and We (Allah*) made a Font of molten brass to flow for him (Solomon*) - - -“. Here Yusuf Ali has an informative twist - informative about Muslim ways of explaining and explaining away. We quote from his "The Meaning of the Holy Quran" (YA3804): "(2. Chronicle 4/2 (says*)), "Also he (Solomon*) made a molten sea of 10 cubits (4.5 m*) from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits (2.25 m*)the height thereof - - -. The receptacle or "sea" or Font was made of molten brass - - -". Here the honorable Yusuf Ali - highly respected Muslim writer - is able to include most of the central words in the same piece in the Quran. Only the "fact" that the Quran says it was a running font of molten brass flowing for Solomon is missing.
What the Bible in reality says (NIV) is: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring 10 cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high".
There is a difference between a "Sea" of water - an artificial "pond" - and a running font of molten brass. There is a difference between being made from cast metal - melted when made, but then hardened - and being made of "molten brass to flow for him". There is a difference between an artificial pond and a font "presumably containing flowing water" as YA continues to be able to include the word "flowing". This even more so as flowing water on top of the Temple Mount was technically impossible at that time - a fact a learned man like Mr. YA well knew. Lead tubes existed. But to have running water, one had to have a source of water lying higher than the Temple Mount and the Temple - which did not exist within reasonable distance. (Pumps were no real alternative at that time for a continuous stream. And pumps for molten brass entirely out of the question.)
Solomon made an artificial "pond" for water. Islam needs to explain away "a font of molten brass to flow for him". Mr. YA really tries, and quite likely many Muslims believe him - the ones who strongly wants to believe in any explanation which seems to remove mistakes, the ones without enough knowledge to see the impossibilities, and the naive ones.
##174 34/14a: “Then, when We (Allah*) decreed (Solomon’s) death, nothing showed them (the surroundings included jinns) his death, except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away his staff - - -”. Wrong:
- In the castle of Solomon there would be no earth and then no worm from the earth. (This could not happen outside, as his servants would not leave the mighty king sitting outside through many days and nights).
- There exists no worm from the earth able to gnaw dry, hard wood like in a staff. Some Muslims wants this to have been a termite, but a termite is no worm, and a god knows that.
- See also 34/14b just below.
##175 34/14b: “Then, when We (Allah*) decreed (Solomon’s) death, nothing showed them (see 34/14a just above) his death, except a little worm from the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away his staff; so when he fell down - - -”. Wrong: It would take days or more for a small worm to weaken the staff enough for Solomon to fall - may be weeks.
- A mighty king sitting not mowing for too long would after some time be addressed by his servants.
- A mighty king not talking for a long enough while, would be addressed by his servants.
- A mighty king not taking care of his duties and his visitors for a long enough while, would be addressed by his servants.
- A mighty king not going to bed in the evening would be addressed by his servants.
- Rigor mortis (the only possible, but highly unlikely reason for the situation) takes time to start – and it disappears. If not for other reasons, he would fall because of that long before a small worm had the time to weaken the staff.
- In the climate of Jerusalem - even in winter (when there after all would be a fire) - his body would start decomposing. Everyone had to notice that.
A fairy tale simply. Even Islam admits that this is from an Arab legend (A34/20).
The above mentioned facts are so obvious, that it is highly unlikely an intelligent man like Muhammad did not know them, and understood this was a made up story.
And there some other point: Why does a universal god use tales only from legends, etc. from Arabia in his "Mother of the Book" in his "home"? How is it possible for a god in his "home" to revere tales obviously not true? How come he used legends, etc. only from in and around Arabia if he was a universal god and sent copies of his "mother book" to his "messengers" all over the world? - "prophets" and followers in Australia, Samoa, Murmansk, Amazonas, Greenland, etc., etc., etc. would meet many words, situations, and problems they would not understand. How many inhabitants of Nunavut (in north Canada) would f.x. understand the pleasure of shade, or what a camel or a horse was? And the Quran - copies of "the Mother of the Book" - were sent down to all "messengers" (124ooo or more according to Islam) through all times. How many understood f.x. the references to the use of horses, camels, etc. in the times before the animals were domesticated? - etc.
176 34/15e: "- - - (peoples'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". The Quran here indicates that Sheba was Muslim. But Sheba originally was pagan, but was conquered from East Africa (Abyssinia - now part of Ethiopia - if we remember correctly) around 350 AD. The conquerors were Christians, and Sheba became mainly Christian during the next 300 years (till it was taken by the Muslims and more or less forcibly made Muslim). So at this time their lord was Yahweh, not Allah.
177 34/16a: "But they (the people of Sheba*) turned away (from Allah) - - -". No trace is ever found in what once was the country of Sheba, from Islam - nothing older than after 610 AD and Muhammad's teaching.
178 35/32c: "- - - We (Allah*) have chosen - - -". Not unless he exists and is something supernatural (but beware that he can make choices even if he should belong to the dark forces).
179 36/17a: “And our (Muhammad’s*) duty to proclaim the clear message.” Once more something from Mecca (ca. 615 – 616 AD), that was “killed” by “The verse of the Sword (9/5) and a number of others when later Muhammad also became – or decided that he also was – an enforcer. This verse is contradicted and often “killed” by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).
####But ESSENTIAL: The Quran here once more confirms that it means its message is clear = easy and to be understood like it says. If this is what Allah means, how then can humans mean that MANY points need to be explained by humans, because the omniscient god Allah has been unable to tell what he "really means"?
180 36/30a: "- - - (My (Allah's*) servants - - -". This is an expression which in the Quran may mean all people, Muslims, or his claimed prophets/messengers - like Muslims like to claim, the language in the Quran is most clear and not to be misunderstood. In this case it seems to mean all people (or parts of all people).
Clear language in the Quran?
181 36/60a: "Did I (Allah*) not enjoin on you (man*) - - -". If Allah does not exist, this only was done by Muhammad, not by Allah. Many a self proclaimed "prophet" both before and after Muhammad have done similar things and made a platform of power for themselves - though not as successful as Muhammad. (And if Muhammad was mentally ill (f.x. TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) like modern medical science strongly suspects), he may have at least partly have believed in his own tales in the beginning - he was too intelligent to believe all of them.) Also see 67/9c below - a strong one.
182 37/128: "Except the devoted and sincere devoted servants (= good Muslims*) of Allah among them (the Jews around 870 - 900 BC)". For the readers not knowing much about the facts in old Israel/Judah: There does not exist one serious scientist believing in Muslims or belief in Allah in Israel/Judah around 800 - 900 BC. Not even among the non-Jews there. Hardly even a Muslim relevant scientist believes so - not if he is serious. And remember that here we are inside the first traces of written history in the Middle East
183 37/158a: "And they (people*) have invented blood-relationship between him (Allah*) and the Jinns: But the Jinns know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before His Judgment Seat)". To say the least of it: This is not from the Bible. If there had been any connection between Allah and Yahweh, the Jinns and their judgment at least should have been mentioned in the Bible. As for what exactly is meant here with "blood-relationship" (= quite close relatives) we have not found, as different Muslim scholars give different comments, but it is clear no Muslim likes the accusation. It is clear, though, the old Arabs reckoned the angels to be the daughters of al-Lah/Allah, but the Jinns were not angels.
#184 38/44a: “And take in thy hand a little grass and strike therewith, and break no thy oath.” Job had according to another place in the Quran sworn to give his wife 100 whiplashes because she did not believe strongly enough (“no compulsion in religion”?). But then he regretted his oath, and instead struck her lightly once with 100 straws of grass – then he had kept his oath! Cheating is ok in the Quran as you see among other places here - to circumvent an oath or a promise or to only pretend keeping them, is ok - a small example of Kitman. And an excellent sample of the moral in the Quran. Dishonesty is ok as long as one can pretend to be honest. But them the Quran accepts dishonesty in several forms - like al-Taqiyya, Kitman, Hilah, some kinds of deceit, and even the disuse of words/promises/oaths. In Islam dishonesty is not necessary dishonesty formally. Islam is the only one of the big religions where many kinds of dishonesty are an accepted part of the religion.
Al-Taqiyya and Kitman, etc. make a problem for every non-Muslim: Is it possible any time at all to know when a Muslim speaks the truth about a serious question? - when he/she is using Al-Taqiyya or Kitman to cheat you?
But it also is a problem for Muslims: How to make people believe you even when you are telling the full truth, when they know about the lawful lie and the lawful half-truth (al-Taqiyya and Kitman), etc.? And how to strengthen your word when even oaths are not reliable?
Like it or not; dishonesty is an integrated part of Islam. In this case a Hilah - the lawful pretending/circumventing of honesty.
185 39/7b: "- - - truly Allah hat no need of you - - -". At least true if he does not exist.
186 39/16c: "- - - His (Allah's*) Servants - - -". This expression may in the Quran and its "clear and easy to understand language" mean 1): All humans. 2): All Muslims (sometimes only all good Muslims). 3): The claimed prophets/messengers of Allah. In this case it is likely it means all humans or all Muslims.
187 39/56a: "- - - (my Duty) towards Allah - - -". Nobody has a duty towards Allah unless he exists and is one's real god - and we stress; real.
188 40/28h: "- if he be a liar, on him is (the sin of) his lie: but if he is telling the Truth, then will fall on you - - -". Something to think over for angry Muslims who do not want to hear our facts, not to mention think them over and think over what they mean, but instead send us death warnings because we know things they do not like to hear - or others to hear? (#########We have not got many death warnings, but they have come - one of the main reasons why we are doing this work; we do not want our descendants to be forced to live in a world where terrorism and murder are accepted arguments - and even more so when used for promoting what proves itself to be a made up cause.)
189 40/42b: "- - - Allah - - -". Remember that this happened(?) around 1235 BC - some 1850 years before Muhammad’s "23 years". Neither science nor Islam has found a single trace from Islam in Egypt older than 610 AD (actually somewhat later). So it is up to you what you want to believe.
That Allah was a known god in Egypt around 1235 BC, is wrong unless Islam proves the opposite.
190 40/74a: "In derogation of Allah- - -". It is in derogation of Allah only if Allah exists - and one only has Muhammad's claimed visions - perhaps based on TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) - and his not to morally strong personality. And even if Allah should happen to exist, this claim further depends on that he is reasonably correctly described in the Quran with its many mistakes, etc.
191 41/9-12d: These verses tell that Allah created the Earth in 2 days, the mountains and everything on Earth in 4 days and finally the heaven (“the seven firmaments” – plural and wrong) in 2 days. 2 + 4 + 2 = 8 days. But:
- 7/54: “- - - Allah, Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth in six Days - - -.”
- 10/3: “- - -Allah, Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth in six Days - - -.”
- 11/7: “He (Allah*) is it Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth in six Days”.
- 25/59: “He (Allah*) Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth and all that is between, in six days - - -.”
- 50/38: “We (Allah*) created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth and all between them in six Days - - -.”
- 57/4: “He (Allah*) is it Who created the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth in Six Days”.
(6 contradictions. It also contradicts reality, which tells that the creation of Earth took millions of years).
##(YA5570):"He (Allah*) Who creates must necessarily know His own handiwork". This is very correct, so when the Quran shows that the maker of that book clearly do not know the reality, ####it is a strong proof for that something is very wrong somewhere.
192 41/12f: “- - - and (provided it) (the lowest heaven*) with guard”. We know from other places in the Quran, that this “guard” is stars mistaken for shooting stars used against bad spirits and jinns wanting to spy on the heavens. The only place such “information” fits today, is in fairy tales. Who composed the Quran? Contradiction: See 42/12a above.
193 41/36b: "- - - seek refuge in Allah". This will only mean anything - may be - if Allah exists and is a god.
194 42/8b: “If Allah had so willed, He could have made them (humanity*) a single people - - -”. At that time this was impossible - - - unless Allah exists and is a god.
195 42/26e: "And He (Allah*) listens - - -". This He only can do if he exists and is something supernatural.
196 42/27a: “If Allah were to enlarge the provision for His Servants, they would indeed transgress beyond all bounds through earth - - -“, - a seemingly rational reasons why to become a Muslim did not automatically mean to become well off: It is the will of Allah, of course.
197 42/36a: "- - - that which is with Allah is better and more lasting - - -". Yes, if the Quran is from a god - not f.x. from a human or from dark forces - and if it is telling the complete truth and only the truth. Which it does not.
198 43/32c: "- - - We (Allah*) raise some of them (humans*) above others in ranks, so that they may command work from others". The standard Islamic and Quranic explanation for differences in life: Allah has decided so.
###199 43/37e: (YA4639): "The downward course in evil is rapid. But the most tragic consequence is that evil persuades its victims to believe that they are pursuing good. They think evil to be their good. They go deeper and deeper into the mire, and become more and more callous." Think of the immoral parts of the Quran's moral code, the unethical parts of its ethical code, the unjust parts of its laws, the inhuman parts of its war code (compare all of it to the one and only main moral code "do onto others like you want others do onto you", and you easily see the immoral, etc. parts) - is this point describing Muslims?
200 44/32: "And We (Allah*) chose them (the Jews*) aforetime - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says they were chosen by Yahweh, not by Allah - most likely correct, as there nowhere in Jewish history is a trace from Allah until after 610 AD (and f.x. Exodus - if it is not fiction - was ca. 1235 BC). Also if Allah does not exist, he was not involved with anyone neither "aforetime" nor later - - - and nor today. Also see 13/1g and 67/9c - 2 strong ones. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
**201 45/6a: “Such are the Signs of Allah, which we (Allah*) rehearse to thee (Muhammad*) in truth - - -”. A strange saying, as all “Signs” in the Quran are logically invalid, as they either are claims or statements based on nothing or based on other invalid (not proved) claims, statements, “proofs”, etc. There may be a few exceptions for some taken from the Bible, but they in case indicate Yahweh.
And/or there are more than one possible conclusion/explanation. ("A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion".)
Some other quotes about proofs and invalid or made up proofs:
- "Strong claims need strong proofs.
- "A claim without a proof may be dismissed without a proof".
- "Claims are cheap, but only proofs are proofs".
- "The use of invalid proofs normally proves that something is fishy".
- "The cheat or deceiver naturally must rely on claims pretending to be facts or proofs".
- "A made up "proof" makes the man very suspect".
- "A strong belief is not a proof - not necessarily even a truth" .
- "Wrong claims and invalid "proofs" are working tools of the cheat".
- "A student with correct facts gets a more correct answer than 20 professors with wrong facts". (Invalid, "signs", claims, "proofs", etc. of course are wrong facts.)
- And we may add from Peer Gynt in his original language: "Naar utgangspunktet er som galest, blir resultatet tidt originalest" - freely translated: "When you conclude from wrong claims/wrong facts/invalid "proofs"/etc., you get wrong conclusions".
202 47/37: "If He (Allah*) were to ask you - - -". The old, black fact: Allah can ask nobody anything unless he exists and is something supernatural.
203 48/1b: "Verily We (Allah*) have granted thee (Muhammad*) a manifest Victory". This may refer to the truce in Hudaybiyah.
204 49/13c: "Verily the most honored of you (Muslims*) in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you". But other parts of the Quran makes it clear that the most righteous are the ones most willing to go to war for "Allah and his Messenger Muhammad".
####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.
205 50/17a: "Behold, two (guardian angels) appointed to learn (his (any Muslim's - note: "his", not "her"*) doings) - - -":
- Remember this the next time you read in the Quran Muhammad explaining away questioned for proofs for Allah, by claiming that sending down angels meant that the Last Day had come.
- Why does an omniscient god need angels to note down thing?
206 50/18: Similar to 50/17 just above. The angels note down everything you think and say and do - why, if Allah is omniscient?
####207 53/6-9: "he" in these 4 verses is the angel Gabriel. It may be noteworthy that even as often as Gabriel is mentioned as the one giving Muhammad his claimed messages, Muslim scholars say Muhammad saw him "in his real shape" only 2 times - once early during Muhammad's claimed mission, and once during Muhammad's claimed trip to the 7 heavens. (A trip which most likely was a dream or made up (little known Islamic scriptures + the lack of elaboration in the Quran strongly indicate that it is a story made up after the death of Muhammad - f.x. his pet wife and famous child wife Aishah, told that he never left her bed that night, according to Hadiths. Or even more likely it is a made up legend based on 17/1 and nothing else - a verse which likely talks about a trip Muhammad made from the mosque in a neighboring town with a mosque (al-Jirana some 9 miles/15 km from Mecca) to Kabah in Mecca - and definitely nothing about any ascension to the 7 heavens or meeting with Biblical prophets. Old Muslim scriptures indicates this - a fact Muslims NEVER mention. What is for sure is that if it had been real and even distantly as essential as claimed, it had been thoroughly described in the Quran - it had been a real proof (though without witnesses) for contact with a god.)
It also might be noteworthy that there nowhere in the Quran is indicated that Gabriel = The Holy Spirit. This is a claim made up by later Muslims.)
And not least is it noteworthy that Muhammad never mentioned a miraculous trip to Jerusalem, the 7 heavens, and Allah, when he was pressed from demands for proofs for his teachings.
#####208 53/35b: "Has he (the person leaving Islam*) knowledge of the Unseen that he can see?". This is a technique of debate you often meet from Muslims and from Islam - they forward a topic, and then strongly restricts the area of the debate - mostly to narrow segments where they know it is difficult to give opposing answers - - - and then they "win" the debate. In such cases tell him/her straight out that you do not accept such restrictions, and that your relevant arguments or facts are such and such.
####209 56/64b: "Is it ye (humans*) who cause it (seeds*) to grow, or are We (Allah*) the cause?". This is a technique of debating where you (try to) lead your opposite part by the nose, by using rhetoric questions and limiting the permitted answers. Here the answer which is the most likely to be the correct one - nature - is omitted. Also it is treated as a matter of fact that Allah exists, something which in no way is a proved fact - a technique of debating you meet even more often in the Quran. The idea is not to find the truth, but to win the debate. You meet these kinds of techniques pretty often from Muslims - f.x. demanding proofs from the Quran for things they know is not clear in the Quran. (F.x. "Prove from the Quran that Dhu'l Quarnayn is Alexander the Great". This is thoroughly proved by science and also in central Islamic literature - f.x. by Ibn Hisham in Ibn Ishaq: "The life of the Prophet": "Alexander was a Greek (he was from Macedonia, but was king of Greece*) and he founded Alexandria" - it is a historical fact that Alexander the Great founded Alexandria. But it is not clear in the Quran - on the other hand no Muslim ever mentions that it also is not clear in the Quran that Dhu'l Quarnayn was not Alexander.) Such a limitation is nonsense if proofs exists other places, but it makes the Muslim the winner of the debate if his opponent is stupid enough to accept the limitations.
Besides: It is up to Muslims to prove that Allah causes it to grow, as it is they who put forth the claim - not for you to disprove it.
210 56/69: "Do ye (bad people*) bring it down (in rain) from the Cloud or do We (Allah)". As dishonest a question as in 56/59 and 56/64a+b. Also see 11/7a above.
211 56/85: "But We (Allah*) are nearer to him (a man*) than ye (humans*) - - -". Often claimed in the Quran, never proved anywhere. As said before: Words are cheap, proofs are reliable.
##### 212 57/8a: "What cause have ye (non-Muslims*) why ye should not believe in Allah?". Well to mention a few of the reasons:
- Not one single claim is proved in Islam - not even the existence of the claimed god, the former pagan god al-Lah/Allah (earlier named Il and later al-Ilah).
- All the mistaken facts and other mistakes prove 110% and more that the Quran is not from any god - no omniscient god makes such and so many mistakes (which is why Muslims cannot afford to see the mistakes no matter how obvious they are).
- All the contradictions have the same 110% effect.
- All the invalid logic also has the same 110% effect - so only on these 3 points you have 330% proofs that the Quran is not from a god.
- The language many places are unclear or with 2 or more possible ways of understanding a point. No god would use unclear language in his holy book.
- A lot of points in the book were difficult or impossible to understand from people not from that region - Arabisms. No universal god would make his holy book in ways not possible for all to understand unless they were known in a small region of Earth. Humans might make such mistakes, but not an omniscient god.
- The horrible and immoral parts of the Quran's moral code may indicate that the real maker of the Quran belongs to some dark forces. Who wants to believe in a religion perhaps made up by f.x. a devil impersonating Gabriel? What at least is sure, is that points like that are not from any good and benevolent god.
- The immoral and unethical parts of the ethical code, means a not good and benevolent god in case.
- The parts of sharia which are unjust and/or immoral, gives the same thoughts as the sentence above.
- The Quran contains not a few cases of boasting or bluffs. Who needs to use bluffs? - the cheat and deceiver, not an omnipotent god.
- The Quran contains some places where Muhammad is lying. How true is a religion which needs lies? And who needs to use lies? - the cheat and deceiver.
- All the points in the Quran where it is used wrong science - science believed in at the time of Muhammad - indicates very clearly that the Quran is made by humans living at the time of Muhammad - perhaps by Muhammad himself.
- Islam is a war religion - the claim "the religion of peace" is an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie) - and who believes a "good and benevolent" god runs a religion of dishonesty, stealing, apartheid, rape, suppression, and war?
- The Quran accepts the use of dishonesty. How much then is dishonest points in the book?
- The Quran is entirely based on the words of a man with a very doubtful moral - lying, breaking even of oaths, deceiving, stealing, raping, and a lot more - and a man wanting power and riches (for "gifts" to buy more followers and to keep some of the ones he had - clear from central Islamic books) - and not to mention women (one knows the name of 36 women he had more or less regular sex with (see the chapters about Muhammad under www.1000mistakes.com - and those are the ones one knows the names of).
Well, these at least were a few reasons why not to believe in Allah and in Muhammad's religion - at least not until at least something is proved.
213 58/21a: "It is I (Allah*) and My Messenger (Muhammad*) who must prevail". This decree has no value if not Allah exists and in addition is a major god. But all the same this may become true, as war cultures often wins over peaceful cultures - in spite of all propaganda about "the religion of peace" (an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie)) Islam is a religion of war. If you want to protest on this fact, read first the some 22-24 surahs from Medina - the ones which really counts in many cases according to Islam's rules for abrogation (making verses invalid).
And: Was it only Muhammad out of Allah's claimed 124ooo+ messengers who must prevail? A depressing fact for all the other tens of thousands of claimed messengers.
Also: There never was a valid proof for that Muhammad was the representative of a god - Allah or any other.
214 61/3a: "- - - in the sight of Allah - - -". Only possible if Allah exists and is something supernatural.
215 61/9i: “- - - he (Muhammad or Allah*) may proclaim it (Islam*) over all religion, even thought the Pagans (= not Muslim, not Jew, not Christian*) may detest (it)”. What the pagans mean, counts exactly nothing (and in spite of what the Quran says in 2/256 about no compulsion in religion, thousands and thousands of them have been murdered through the times only because they refused to become Muslims - even pagan Arabs in the first years of expansion). (Something Muslims never mention, is that 2/256 is abrogated and made invalid by at least some 30 later verses in the Quran. All educated Muslims know this, but all the same they use 2/256 as a "proof" for how friendly Islam is).
The last part of the quotation also tells volumes about Islam.
***This is one of the many contradictions of the slogan “Islam is the religion of peace”, and also over 2/256: "Let there be no compulsion in religion". (The surahs from Medina prove that Islam is a religion of war, not one of peace. The same does the Quran's moral code.)
216 61/13d: (A61/13): “- - - help from Allah and a speedy victory.” Is this pep-talk? (No Muslim will agree). Is it hope for capturing Mecca? – this was said 4 – 5 years earlier. Is it referring to one or more of the raids the Muslims had started to make a couple of years before (this surah is from 625 - 626 AD)? – or raids to come? Or a general hope for the future? Make your guess – nobody knows unless they judge from wishful thinking or “correct” meanings, as the book says nothing. Very clear speech.
217 63/11a: "But to no soul will Allah grant respite - - -". In no case Allah can do this unless he exists.
##218 64/1e: (A64/1): "- - - all human beings are endowed with the instinctive ability to perceive the existence of the Creator - - -". This is so stupid a claim that it is not even wrong - it is plain imbecility. It also is totally un-scientific - no scientist has till this day found even traces of such an ability. It is a pure al-Taqiyya (lawful lie - something you only find in Islam of the big religions), likely dictated by the fact that Islam has not one single valid proof for its god (lots and lots of claims, but not one real proof - and the word of a man like Muhammad is not much worth), and they are groping for handholds where they can - if you go looking, you will find a number of such invalid claims about indications for a god in Islamic literature. There is a drive or a need for something strong - a god - in a minor part of humanity (may be 5 - 10% of the population). But no-one - included science and included Islam - have ever found even traces of an ability in man to perceive a god.
Islam has not one single proof for Allah. But they feel the need for one, and use many "clever" ways to try to find something. One recurring claim is this that human instinct can feel/perceive/have knowledge about the god. This is one of the cases.
The only things such wishful thinking proves, is that Muslims feel the need for proofs for their claimed god very strongly - so strongly that they forget to use their brain. And it proves that they have no such proof - if they had, they would use that proof instead of using more or less occultism and wishful dreams for "arguments" - or nonsense and directly wrong claims like here.
219 64/7d: "Say (Muhammad*): 'Yea, by my Lord (Allah*) - - -". Allah is here asking Muhammad to swear about the resurrection (expressions starting with "by" normally are oaths in the Quran - you swear "by" something). One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - and Jesus and Muhammad not in the same line of prophets or religion (in addition to that Muhammad was no real prophet - he was not able to make prophesies): The Bible tells you not to swear at all (f.x. Matt. 5/34). And if you for some reason all the same make an oath, you have to keep it, whereas according to the Quran even oaths can be broken - pay expiation if it was a serious one. This last is a clear proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, and for that Jesus and Muhammad are not in the same religion - the moral codes are fundamentally too different.
220 65/5a: "That is the Command of Allah - - -". But as the Quran is not from a god, the pertinent question is: Is the command really from Allah? - or from some dark forces pretending to be Allah? - or from one or more humans, f.x. Muhammad? - or simply from a sick brain like modern medical science suspects, like TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy)? Rules similar to the ones in 65/1-4 which this refers to, you do not find in NT at all.
The essence here is that it is so howlingly and laughably obvious to see that this is wrong. No god had made mistakes like this. Then who made the Quran?
###221 67/5a: “And We (Allah*) have (from of old), adorned the lowest (37/6-7, 41/12) heaven with Lamps (Stars*)- - -”. The Quran’s picture of cosmos is taken from Greek and/or Persian astronomy, and as any secondary school child not blinded by religious indoctrination can see; it is much wrong - laughably wrong. For one thing the heavens have to be made from something material to make possible fixing the stars to one of them. Besides: From Greek etc. astronomy we know that the planets, stars, sun and moon were fixed to 7 different heavens. As the stars according to the Quran is fixed to the lowest, they have to be lower than the than the moon. But what happens if you try to place say Betelgeuse or even Helios - our sun - below Luna - our moon?
Further: Our rockets cannot go too high - they will collide with the material heavens. Muhammad said the Quran is perfect and without mistakes or flaws. The Quran says the Quran is perfect and without mistakes or flaws. Islam says the Quran is perfect and without mistakes or flaws. Muslims say the Quran is perfect and without mistakes or flaws. All of them say the Quran is perfect and without mistakes or flaws because Allah sent down a book he had made or which had existed forever - a book which is the revered “Mother Book” (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in the heaven of Allah - and an omniscient god can neither make mistakes nor revere texts containing lots of mistakes, contradictions, flaws and hallmarks of cheats and deceivers. Also see 67/3 above and 67/5b+c just below.
BUT WHAT DO ALL THOSE WORDS HELP WHEN THE MISTAKES, CONTRADICTIONS, AND THE FLAWS ARE THERE ANYHOW? #####AND WHEN ISLAM TELLS THAT THE TOTAL LACK OF ANY MISTAKE IN THE QURAN PROVES IT IS FROM ALLAH, WHAT THEN DOES MEGA BLUNDERS LIKE THIS PROVE?
##222 67/5b: “- - - and We (Allah*) have made such (lamps (stars*) as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones - - -”. Well, well. Any secondary school child able to see that the entry from the same verse 67/5a were wrong, would laugh from this: Stars fastened to the lowest heaven and then doubling as shooting stars to drive this away! Today it is clear such "information" only belongs in fairy tales, and hardly even there as even children know better. Also see 67/3 and 67/5a. Who made the Quran?
No further comments - except that you find similar in 15/17-18 - 37/10 – 72/8.
#####223 67/14b: (YA5570):"He (Allah*) Who creates must necessarily know His own handiwork". This is very correct, so that when the Quran shows he clearly does not know the reality, it is a strong proof for that something is very wrong somewhere concerning the Quran - and thus also concerning Muhammad and Islam.
THIS SENTENCE COMBINED WITH ALL THE ERRORS AND WORSE IN THE QURAN, SHOULD PROVE THAT THE QURAN IS NOT FROM THE MAKER OF THE WORLD, OF THE UNIVERSE, AND OF LIFE (claimed by the Quran to be Allah).
224 67/21d: "- - - impiety - - -". Nothing is impiety towards a god, unless that god exists. Also see 67/9c above.
225 68/18-28: The owner of the garden (see 68/17b+c above) planned to harvest it, but forgot the standard Islamic formula: "If it be Allah's Will". This is a dangerous thing to do, because the great, benevolent Allah, is mentally a very small personality who often avenges such insults - the fruits of the garden were destroyed during the night, and the impolite and impious people of the garden were taught a lesson.
Allah is Great!(?)
We just have one disturbing thought: How come that billions of non-Muslims through the times, and billions of non-Muslims today, were and are not regularly punished by Allah in such ways? - none - not one - of them uses this magic formula.
226 68/45a: "A (long) respite will I (Allah*) give them (non-Muslims*) - - -". This was Muhammad's and the Quran's standard explanation for why non-Muslims often had a better life than Muslims: Allah had in his unfathomable wisdom decided to give them time - sometimes for the chance to find Islam, but mostly for becoming really guilty.
227 71/15-16a: “- - - Allah has created the seven (material - see the Mega Mistakes*) heavens, one above the other - - -.” It is not possible to be more wrong. Who above 3. grade primary school needs a comment here? 7 (material) heavens and the moon in between them somewhere (and remember the stars are fixed to the lowest heaven (37/6-7, 41/12), so they are below the moon! We do not bother to comment this. But also see 67/5d above.
228 71/16a: “And made the moon a lamp in their (the heavens’) midst - - -.” The moon is not in the midst of the 7 heavens (= somewhere among the stars or actually above them, as the stars are fastened to the lowest heaven (37/6-7, 41/12)) of Muhammad. Any even baby god had known, Muhammad not. Who made the Quran?
229 71/25c: "- - - in lieu of Allah - - -". This sentence is invalid unless Allah exists and is a god.
*230 72/8b: “And we (jinns*) pried into the secrets of heaven, but we found it filled with stern guides and flaming fires (shooting stars*).” The Quran tells that Allah use the stars like shooting stars – flaming fire – to chase away bad spirits and jinns wanting to spy on heaven. No comments should be necessary to this nonsense. Any god had known the difference between a shooting star, and a real star - even a devil had known. Then who made the Quran?
And where are the 7 (material) heavens the Quran tells about, as they are not up there? Not to mention: How was it possible for jinns to spy on the heavens when they were not up there?
231 72/12: "- - - frustrate Allah - - -". This is not possible unless he exists.
232 72/17b: "But if any of them (Pagans*) turns away from the remembrance of his Lord (Allah*)". If Allah does not exist or for other reasons is no god, it is not a turning away from any remembrance of Allah, but from tales claimed to be from Allah.
233 72/24b: "- - - when they (non-Muslims*) see (with their own eyes) - - - then they will know - - -". This - and a number of similar points in the Quran - kills Muhammad's "explanations" saying that the reason why Allah did not send proofs for his existence, power, or contact with Muhammad, was that proofs would not make skeptics believe anyhow.
234 73/20b: “Allah doth appoint night and day in due measures.” This is dictated by someone who knew nothing about the far south and the far north - facts and reality and nature are different from what would be due measures for most beings - included man - there at times. But Muhammad did not know that. Any god had known. Also see 11/7a above.
235 76/3c: "- - - whether he (man*) be grateful or ungrateful (rests on his will)". How can this be possible if Allah predestines everything according to his unchangeable Plan? - it has to rest on the Plan.
236 76/29b: "This is an admonition: whosoever will, let him take a (straight) Path to his Lord (Allah*)." Later it was not only whosoever will. Read Islamic history about forced conversions, not to mention treatment of persons wanting to leave Islam even today in many societies. And read f.x. 9/5 above.
237 85/3: (YA6054): “By the one who witness - - -“. Nobody understands exactly who – Muhammad and the prophets (3/81), Allah (3/81 and 10/61), the recording angels (50/21), the sinners own misused limbs (24/24), the sinner’s record of deeds (17/14), or the sinner himself (17/14)? There is quite a choice in this exact language.
238 85/3+4: "By one that witness, and the subject of the witness - - - Woe to the Makers of the pit (of fire) - - -". See 85/1+4 above.
239 86/4: "There is no soul but has a protector over it". According to the Quran every human have angels nearby. Worth remembering each time Muhammad tells Allah cannot send down angels to prove himself or to prove his connection to Muhammad, because sending down angels means that the Day of Doom has arrived.
240 91/14: "So their (the Thamud tribe's*) Lord (claimed to be Allah - more than 2ooo years before Muhammad*), on account of their crime (not accepting Islam - more than 2ooo years before Muhammad*), obliterated their traces - - -". This is one of the quite many cases of old ruins and/or old folklore telling about earlier, but disappeared people in and around Arabia (mainly in - another Arabism) which Muhammad claimed had been killed off because of sins against Allah. Science has a number of other possible explanations for disappearing or moving away in a harsh, lawless, and warlike area. (We may add that the Quran also has the timeline wrong here. It tells that Moses mentioned them = 2ooo+ years before Muhammad. In reality they lived much later.)
241 94/1: "Have We (Allah*) not expanded your (Muhammad's/Muslims'?*) heart?". Perhaps, but not unless Allah exists and in addition has power for such things".
242 97/4a: "Therein come down (to Earth*) the angels - - - by Allah's permission - - -". Remember this the times Muhammad explains that the reason why Allah will not send down angels to prove himself or Muhammad, is that if he sends them down, it will be the Day of Doom. Also see 97/4b just below.
243 97/4b: "Therein come down (to Earth*) the angels - - - by Allah's permission, on every errand - - -". See 97/4a just above. According to this verse Allah can send angels on every errand. In that case it is clear that Muhammad's claim about Day of Doom in this connection is just explaining away something. At least a clear contradiction.
244 100/1c: “By the (Steeds) that runs (into the midst of the foe*) - - -.” The Arab word “al-‘adiyat” no doubt means a war-horse or charger. But is the meaning literal? Or is the charges symbol for the good Muslim fighting for Muhammad/Allah? Or is it symbol “beyond any doubt” for “the erring human soul or self”? Muslim scholars find the text unclear, and are still debating – after 1400 years.
Another point: The Quran/copies of "the Mother of the Book" in Heaven through all times and to all humans all over the world, according to the Quran. Modern man - Homo Sapiens - likely is some 195ooo years old. The Neanderthals and the Denisovans likely older - and f.x. Homo Erectus and Homo Habilis definitely are older, much older. How large part of humanity at the time of Muhammad knew what steeds/horses - or for that case camels - were? How many 10ooo years ago? How many 50ooo years ago? Etc. You find several such "modern" things and words named and used in "the Mother of the Book" from which the Quran is an exact copy according to Muslims - words nobody would understand many places, not to mention when you go further back in time. All the same such copies from "the Mother of the Book" was sent down to all "messengers" and "prophets" everywhere and to all times, according to Islam. Some god using words and expressions and tales neither the really old "messengers", nor their listeners had a chance to understand.
Not to mention: The art of reading and writing are just some thousands of years old. What about the claimed messengers before that?
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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".