Allah in the Quran, Chapter 94
01 Jan 2015
REQUESTS FOR PROOFS FOR ALLAH/THE QURAN
001 Muhammad often demanded proofs from opponents and refused to believe them unless they were able to prove their words, a fact which proves Muhammad meant proofs were valuable/essential. It thus is very informative about his religion that he himself never was able to give even one valid proof for any essential part of or point in the Quran or for Islam. Yes, he even demanded blind belief without proofs and/or used invalid "signs" or "proofs" to back up his claims. ("A proof is one or more proved facts which can give only one conclusion".) Muhammad's "signs" and "proofs" about central claims all are made f.x. without ever first proving the it really was/is Allah who was/is behind this and this. In addition more than one conclusion often are possible. The fact is that more or less all "signs" and "proofs" Muhammad used for his claimed god, can be used by any believer in any religion for his/her god(s), as long as they can flee from all request for proofs - like Muhammad did.
##### Another - and serious - point is that to "explain" that the Quran means something different from what it really says, is to corrupt it.
Also: What is sure, is that no god ever made a holy book as full of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, unclear language, etc. like the Quran. ### Besides: Which one of the 20-30 known versions accepted by Islam of the Quran (see 15/9c) - if any (and there were even more versions through the times) - is in case the correct one?
Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable are that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?
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002 2/118a: “Say those without knowledge: ‘Why speaketh not Allah unto us? Or why cometh not unto us a Sign?” As said first in this quotation: So say those without knowledge - and who wants to be said to be without knowledge? This is one of the many fast-talks Muhammad had to use to get away from questions and demands for proving what he told. He was unable to prove anything of any consequence concerning his religion, and blind faith was the demand. But who has least knowledge - the ones in blind faith, or the ones knowing that in most aspects of life, the most sure way to be cheated, is to be blind and to be naive?
003 2/260c: "Show me (Abraham*) how thou (Allah*) givest life to the dead". An interesting sentence, as Allah never - never - showed neither this nor anything else - Yahweh proved it if the old books tell the truth, but never Allah (except in borrowed legends).
004 4/153e: "- - - they (the people of Moses*) said: "Show us Allah (Yahweh*) in public". One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this:
- When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.
- The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different.
- The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".
This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.
But remember as for punishments and rewards - and forgiving: They cannot be given unless there are made changes in the Plan of Allah, which several verses in the Quran states nobody and nothing can make. (A predestined reward is not a reward, but theater.)
And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.
005 4/153f: "- - - they (the people of Moses*) said: "Show us Allah in public". A time anomaly - see 4/13d above.
006 5/114d: “Send us (Jesus and the Disciples*) from heaven a Table set (with viands), - - -”. A made up story - there is no chance that such a miracle which clearly shows Jesus’ connection to Yahweh, would be omitted from the Bible. Not one single chance. Even if Muhammad had been right and Christians had falsified the NT, this is the kind of stories they had added, not omitted. Some Muslims say this may refer a little to “The Prayer of God” - "give us our daily bread" - in the Bible. Much more likely it is a contorted version of the last Easter supper.
The Quran tells nearly nothing about Jesus as a preacher or about his teachings. The main points for Muhammad were that Jesus was a good Muslim and that even though Jesus was a great prophet – and a real prophet according to both the Bible and to the Quran – he in reality was no match to the greatest: Muhammad. Muhammad claimed to be the greatest prophet - - - but never even proved that he was one.
007 6/8c: “They (people*) say: ‘Why is not an angel sent down to him?’ If We (Allah*) did send down an angel, the matter would be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them”. This question – a proof f.x. by means of an angel – arose frequently. Muhammad’s often used “explanation” was this: Allah will not send down an angel until The Last Day (the Day of Doom). That means that if he sends down angles, that day becomes the Last Day (“the matter will be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them”), and in that case the unbelievers would lose their chance to become believers (“- - - no respite would be granted them”.) This “explanation” is nonsense even according to the Quran. That book tells that the angel Gabriel visited Muhammad often, it tells that angels come down to fetch the souls of the dead, it tells that angels come down to fetch your soul when you fall asleep and to return it when you wakes up, it tells that angels surround you to note down your good and bad deeds – not to mention the thousands of angels Allah sends down to do battles together with Muslims time and again. And angels visiting f.x. Abraham, Lot, and Mary.
There was not one single reason why Allah could not use one of the myriads of angles he daily and frequently sends down as a proof for Muhammad.
On the contrary: There were all reasons for Allah to prove himself and his claimed messenger - in stark contradiction to Muhammad's claim, it had given lots of followers. Proofs: 1) Human psychology. 2) The Pharaoh's sorcerers all became Muslims because Moses made a miracle (a story which proves Muhammad knew he was lying when he said miracles would convince no-one. 3) Jesus made miracles and got many followers from this, which Muhammad knew.
A very obvious bluff and a piece of fast-talk. Muhammad's knowledge of the sorcerers' reaction to Moses' miracle proves that he knew he was lying when he claimed that the reason why Allah did not prove his existence, was that it would not make anybody believe anyhow. How many other places in the Quran did Muhammad lie? - this even more so that the Quran makes it clear Muhammad believed in the use of dishonesty as a working tool.
008 7/70d: "Bring us (the 'Ad people*) what thou (Hud*) threatenest us with - - -". They simply were asking for proofs - a total parallel to requests Muhammad got, and he uses the parallel to show that Allah also that time proved nothing - Muhammad thus was in good company when he was unable to prove anything.
#####009 7/203a: (A165): “If thou (Muhammad*) brings them (skeptics*) not a revelation, they say: ‘Why hast thou not got it (a revelation/miracle*) together (yourself*)?’”. (A request for proofs.) But “The Message of the Quran” tells that the Arab words “law la ‘djtabaytaha” make troubles (this is omitted in the 2008 English edition) as it has several meanings, and they instead say a more likely meaning is: “Why doest thou (Muhammad*) not seek to obtain it (from Allah*)?” Rather a different detail – and at least two different meanings. A clear language in the Quran? And these variants naturally also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has more than one meaning.
It also tells something that Muslims have left out some comments from the book. Left out something which is not flattering or which is disturbing. Even in such a grave matter as religion it is not the truth one searches for, but confirmation of the religion - true or not true. Consequences if the Quran is made up? - does not matter, as you will not meet them in this life. And besides: "We" "know" that what our fathers told us is correct.
Beware that each and every abrogation normally also is a contradiction (and you will also find them in our list of contradictions), but a contradiction is not necessarily an abrogation. Further: Many of the mistaken facts at the same time are contradictions to reality - some of them are listed here, but you will find many more in the chapters about the mistaken facts in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" though even there we list far from all contradictions with reality in the Quran.
To give you a visual impression of how bad the situation in the Quran regarding mistakes and errors really is, we have chosen to show "all" the abrogations for each contradicting verse/point, (and the same for internal contradictions) instead of just writing a sum - see "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran". Each and every number in that list show one verse abrogating or being abrogated by another – and if you add all together, you will see that this list contains 4556 collisions between verses. As each collision takes 2 verses, ##### that means that in this list there are 2278 abrogations = 2278 mistakes or errors made by the god because of trying and failing or because he changed his mind now and then. AND IN REALITY THERE ARE MANY MORE. (But remember that as many of the verses are contradicted many or very many times by different verses, less than 150 verses are involved in the list – but as said: There are more, as we have found far from all. (Only 9/5 abrogates 124 milder verses according to some Muslim scholars - and may be as many as 500 verses all together are abrogated according to some Muslim scholars).
If this book is ever printed, one will save paper and expenses by just writing the numbers - how many and which ones.
PS: We have added some abrogations just before launching this on Internet. As we will add a few more when we finish the book "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" - in 2015 or 2016 we hope, we wait with correcting the mathematics till then. (Ps: As we found "1000+ Quran-comments - skeptics’ facts and thoughts" to be more urgent than the rest of the mistakes, "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" may not be finished until in 2015 AD or may be even 2016 AD.)
######010 10/32b: “- - - apart from Truth, what remains but error?” It is very clear that much of what is said in the Quran is not true – and then #####“what remains but error”?
011 23/24i: “- - - (moreover) we (non-Muslims*) have never heard (anything like) this from our forebears of old!” (A23/11): "(This is*) a Quranic allusion to the fact that people often reject a new ethical position on no better grounds than that it conflicts with their inherited habits of thoughts and ways of life. Indirectly, this allusion implies a condemnation of all blind "taqlid", i.e., an unthinking acceptance of religious doctrines or assertions - - -". The bad fact is that this also goes for Muslims, and even more so as no god revealed a book with so many and grave errors like the Quran.
A SAMPLE OF MODERN ISLAM'S "ARGUMENTS.
###012 26/4d: "- - - a Sign, to which they (people*) would bend their necks in humility". Comment A26/4: "Inasmuch as the spiritual value of man's faith depends on its being an outcome of free choice and not of compulsion, the visible and audible appearance of a 'message from the skies' would, by its obviousness, nullify the element of free choice and, therefore, deprive man's faith in that message of all its moral significance'.
This claim is pure dishonesty.
###The argument is not even rubbish and gobbledygook, politely speaking, and an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie). Choices made by a person's free will, has got to be made on basis of what the person know, and the more he or she knows about something, the more likely it is that correct choice about that thing is made. Therefore the addition of correct information - f.x. real proof for that a god exists - can have no negative significance morally for the person's decisions or choices.
On the contrary: Withholding of essential, correct information forcing the person to make decisions or choices on basis of serious lack of central information easy for a god to provide, is morally a very doubtful deed by that god. Worse: ####Top Muslim scholars know enough about logic and moral to know that this is the case, and even so they are capable of producing "explanations" like this, trying to cheat less educated people. But then al-Taqiyya is not only permitted when it comes to defend or forward Islam, but is advised if it gives a better effect. How much in the Muslim scholars' arguments are al-Taqiyyas or Kitmans (lawful half-truths) like this one?
The facts above are so well known, that there is no chance Muhammad Asad did not know it. The only possible conclusion is that he - like so many others - is lying to defend and/or promote his religion.
#####But what is the real value - and what is the real truth - of a religion which has to rely on dishonesty? And how much more in such a religion and its claims and "arguments" are lies? Not to mention: Is there any reliability left concerning that religion?
#####Perhaps the most helpless and hopeless "explanation" we have met for the lack of proofs in Islam, and for answer of requests for proofs at least for Allah's existence and claimed power.
But also hopeless dishonesty is dishonesty.
013 26/51: "Only, our (the Pharaoh's sorcerers*) desire is that our Lord (indicated to be Allah*) will forgive us our faults, that we may become foremost among the Believers". ###### THE MOST SERIOUS POINT HERE IS THAT MUHAMMAD CLAIMS THAT THE SORCERERS BECAME EAGER MUSLIMS BECAUSE OF MINOR MIRACLES PERFORMED BY MOSES. THIS WAS AS EARLY AS 615 OR 616 AD. THIS PROVES THAT MUHAMMAD ATLEAST LATER KNEW HE WAS LYING EACH TIME HE CLAIMED THAT THERE AS ON FOR THAT ALLAH DID NOT USE MIRACLES OR OTHER REAL PROOFS, WAS THAT IT WOULD NOT MAKE ANYBODY BELIVE ANY HOW!!!!!!!
014 27/68b: "- - - these (Muhammad’s verses and surahs*) are nothing but tales of the ancient". Mostly the opponents were right - most of the stories in the Quran are older tales Muhammad "borrowed" and then twisted to fit his religion. Most of the sources are known. Is it necessary for a god to use old - and sometimes wrong - stories? - and often wrong facts?
015 29/53b: "They ask thee (Muhammad*) to hasten the Punishment- - -". A request for proofs in reality. See 29/37b above.
016 29/53c: "They ask thee (Muhammad*) to hasten the Punishment- - -". Opponents repeatedly dared Muhammad to send punishment to them as a proof for his tales. Muhammad never was able to do so - his only replies were fast-talk of different kinds.
017 29/54c: "They ask thee (Muhammad*) to hasten the Punishment- - -". Opponents repeatedly dared Muhammad to send punishment to them as a proof for his tales. Muhammad never was able to do so - his only replies were fast-talk of different kinds.
018 38/16c: "Hasten to us (some skeptics') our sentence (even) before the Day of Account". Some of the skeptics challenged Muhammad to have his god send punishment over them to prove his claims. Muhammad never was able to do so or in any other way prove anything of any consequence.
019 44/36a: "Then bring (back) our (the Quraysh's*) forefathers, if what ye (Muhammad*) say is true". A request for a proof for his tales - but Muhammad never was able to prove anything at all about his central claims.
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