Allah in the Quran, Chapter 72
01 Jan 2015
ALLAH AND IBLIS (THE DEVIL)
001 The same problem as in the next chapter: Is Allah in reality also the real boss in Hell? And what kind of "good and benevolent god" does this in case make him?
002 There also is the questions: Was Iblis (the Devil) originally an angel or a jinn? - and was his expulsion from Heaven real or a piece of theater agreed on between Iblis and Allah, because Allah wanted a Hell and needed someone to run it?
Finally: Always when you read the Quran, Hadiths, and other Islamic books, you should remember that Muhammad accepted the use of and himself used dishonesty in many forms in words and deeds. Even if the names are younger, it was he who institutionalized dishonesty like al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), Hilah (the lawful pretending/circumventing), the use of deceit ("war is deceit" - and "everything" is war), betrayal (f.x. the peace delegation from Khaybar), and even the disuse of oaths (2/225, 5/89, 16/91, 66/2 - and the star case 3/54 (if Allah could cheat, cheating is ok)), which also includes the disuse of words and promises, as they are weaker than oaths = when oaths can be disused, so can words and promises. On top of this it is very clear from the Quran and all other central Islamic books, that Muhammad also liked respect and power and women. Combine these lusts with his acceptance of and personal use of dishonesty - even the gravest kinds: How reliable is that kind of men normally? - and how true and reliable are their never proved claims and tales?
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###003 2/34e: (A2/26) “- - - they (the angels*) all prostrated themselves, save Iblis (the future Devil*) - - - and thus he became one of those who deny the truth”. There is an added mystery here: It is indicated here that Iblis was an angel, but angles were created from light, whereas it some places in the Quran is said that Iblis was created from fire = Iblis was a Jinn. Also the fact that he was able to refuse Allah’s order make Islamic scholars question his being an angel, because angels are totally obedient. That aside:
(It is) “absolutely clear that at the time of that command he (Iblis*) was indeed one of the heavenly host. Hence we must assume that his “rebellion” has a purely symbolic significance and is, in reality, the outcome of a specific function assigned to him by Allah. (This is what many Muslim scholars believe, as Allah has absolute power, and nothing happens unless according to his plan.) If this is true, and Allah is behind also the Devil and Hell - where then is the good and benevolent god?”
This in more than one way is a touchy point for some Muslims: If Iblis was able to refuse to obey, Allah is not omnipotent. If on the other hand Hell is part of Allah’s design, Allah far from is a good and benevolent god. Muhammad Asad:"The Message of the Quran", tends to believe it is part of Allah’s design – the omnipotence is more essential than benevolence – but we have never seen a clear answer to the enigma. The real significance of this scene thus is unclear.
Also very different from the Bible.
004 4/118a: "Allah did curse him - - -". "Him" here refers to Iblis - the Quran's Satan/Devil.
005 4/119d: "Whoever, forsaking Allah, takes Satan for a friend - - -". The one does not necessarily implicate the other, especially if Allah just is a dressed up, non-existing pagan god (al-Lah - Allah - simply was the main Arab pagan god at that time). And especially not if there exist other real gods - f.x. Yahweh. (This even more so if Allah is from the dark forces, like some points in the Quran and also in its moral code, etc. may indicate. Compare some points there and in the Sharia law to "do to others like you want others do to you", and weep.
006 7/11b: “- - - We (Allah*) bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis (the future Devil) - - -.” But was Iblis an angel, like it is indicated here? It is said several places in the Quran that he was created from fire (f.x. 7/12), which means he was a jinn (angles are created from light, according to the Quran). An unclear point in Islam, but most scholars mean he was a jinn. (Jinns are beings "borrowed" from old Arab pagan religion, legends and fairy tales.
007 7/27b: "- - - We (Allah*) made the Satan friends (only) to those without Faith". Parts of the Quran's moral code and also parts of sharia, not to mention its rules for raids and war, may indicate another truth, and make one wonder who are really the friends of Satan.
008 7/30c: "- - - they took Satan, in preference of Allah, for their friends and patrons". The Quran claims that everyone who does not believe in Allah, are the friends of Satan. This for one thing presumes that Allah exists and is a god, neither of which is ever proved. And for another thing that no other real god - f.x. Yahweh exists.
But a serious point: If the Quran is from the dark forces, like some points both in the book and in its moral code, etc. may indicate, who are then "the friends of Satan"? Look at Islam's and Muslims' behavior through history + the fact that no god would deliver a "holy" book of a quality like the Quran, and make up your own mind.
009 8/48a: "Remember Satan made their (sinful) acts seem alluring to them - - -". ##### Irony: A number of acts accepted or advocated or even ordered in the Quran are from sinful to extremely sinful in all other of the large religions - and nearly all of the small ones - and also conflicting human rights and against all normal moral laws and rules. Not to mention that it conflicts with the very basis of all inter human moral: "Do onto others like you want others do onto you". The Quran is not made by any god, not to mention a good or benevolent god - too many errors, etc. and too horrible moral - or immoral - code. If the Quran is made by dark forces or even by one or more selfish humans, it is not strange if Satan has made the Muslims' sinful acts just and alluring to them. May thus Muslims be included here?
Different from what Islam tries to tell, the human conscience is a "tabula rasa" when you are born. It has to be trained and educated. Islam and Muslims accepts and even promote - sometimes strongly promote - deeds which according to all normal moral codes and according to "do to others like you want others do to you", are from negative to strongly inhuman. #####Is it Iblis/Satan (+ permission to steal, rob and rape) who makes such acts seem alluring to Muslims?
010 10/72c: "- - - Allah's Will - - -". The only source for claims about this, is the Quran - a book so full of mistakes, contradictions, etc. that it is from no god, and thus also not from Allah if he is a god. Thus there is no reliable source for Allah's will - even if he should happen to exist. (And we do wonder what is his real will if he belongs to the dark forces - one of the few possibilities if the Quran is from him - the Quran with all its errors, etc. in case proves he is no god. Another possibility is that it is from one or more humans, f.x. from Muhammad.)
011 15/32: "(Allah) said: 'O Iblis! What is your reason - - -". Why should an omniscient god ask for this? - if he was omniscient, he knew on beforehand. But as mentioned above, it might have been part of a theater.
012 15/33-39: “(Iblis (the future Devil*) said): ‘I am not one to prostrate myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape’. (Allah) said: ‘Then get thee out from here, for thou art rejected, accursed. And the Curse shall be on thee till the Day of Judgment.’ (Iblis) said: ‘O my Lord! Give me respite till the Day the (dead) are raised.’ (Allah) said: ‘Respite is granted thee – till the Day of Time Appointed.’ (Iblis) said: ‘O my Lord! Because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on earth, and I will put them all in the wrong - - -.” This is the essence of how Hell came to. The story is not very logical, and as mentioned many Muslim scholars speculate about if Iblis in reality is working for Allah in accordance with Allah’s secret Plan. Nobody on Earth will ever know. But what kind of god is Allah in this case?
Nothing of this is from the Bible.
013 15/35a: "And the Curse shall be on thee (Iblis - the Devil*) - - -". How seriously can this have been meant, if this scene was prearranged between Allah and Iblis (a necessity if those Muslims are right who means that Hell is a part of Allah's power and Plan)?
014 15/35b: "And the Curse shall be on thee (Iblis - the Devil*) till the Day of Judgment". What will happen to Iblis then? We have been unable to find the answer - nothing in the Quran, vague speculations other places. And nothing about if this will in between mean anything to Hell. #####But: As sinners do not go to Hell until the Day of Doom, that day cannot be the end of Hell - and what then about its ruler, Iblis? He has to go on.
015 15/37: "(Allah) said: 'Respite is granted you (Iblis/the Devil*) - - -". Iblis got his respite - or perhaps his order from Allah?.
016 15/39a: "Because Thou (Allah*) hast put me (Iblis*) in the wrong - - -". This only is correct (as seen by Iblis) if Iblis really was thrown out from Heaven. If this scene only was a prearrangement between Allah and Iblis (for the benefit of whom?), also this is part of the theatre.
017 15/39b: "Because Thou (Allah*) hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on earth, and I will put them all in wrong - - -". This is the claimed rationale and reason behind Hell in the Quran - it is Iblis' revenge for being thrown out from Heaven. But as Allah predestines everything, is it he who has predestined this, too?
If the Quran in reality is made by dark forces, this verse may well explain large parts of the book's moral code, and many Muslims' behavior.
018 15/39c: "Because Thou (Allah*) hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on earth, and I will put them all in wrong - - -". What kind of being did the claimed omniscient Allah create when he created Iblis, if this scene is real? - and what kind of sadist is Allah if it in reality is he who is behind the establishing of a Hell that horrible and that sadistic? - so out of all proportions inhuman compared to fair punishment for the after all medium sins of most sinners.
019 15/39ca: "Because Thou (Allah*) hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on earth, and I will put them all in wrong - - -". #####How could Iblis say this, if Allah predestines and decides everything?
#020 15/41b: "This (way of My (Allah's*) sincere servants) is indeed a Way that leads straight to Me." This is one of the very many never proved claims in the Quran. ###It is an especially sincere and sinister one if the theory that Iblis/the Devil is the real maker of the Quran, is the true one - and the indicators pointing in that direction are a bit too many for comfort. (Though happily the theory that the book is man-made, is more likely. With all its errors and weaknesses it at least is not from any god).
021 15/42a: "Over My (Allah's*) servants (man/Muslims*) no authority shalt thou (Iblis/the Devil*) have - - -". See 15/41a above.
022 16/63d: "- - - but Satan made, (to the wicked), their own acts seem alluring - - -". But how could this happen, when the Quran so clearly states that Allah decides - even predestines and according to his unchangeable Plan - everything? Remember that free will for man is one of the things not possible even for an omnipotent god if there is full predestination - not even limited free will. (This is one more claim which is wrong in the Quran). See 14/22b above.
But who's acts are made alluring, if it in reality is Iblis/Satan who is behind the Quran? And remember that lots of points in the Quran - especially in the surahs from Medina - and f.x. in the moral code may indicate that this was the real maker. (Compare to "do to others like you want others do to you", and judge for yourself.
###023 16/99b: "No authority has he (the Devil*) over those who believe and put their trust in their Lord (Allah*)". Will this claim - as normal for the Quran not documented - also be valid if the Quran is a made up book (it at least is from no god with all those errors).
###024 16/101a: “When We (Allah*) substitute one revelation for another - - -“. (“Substitute” is an English word which here has exactly the same meaning as the other word derived from Latin; “abrogate”). Allah tells he is changing his instructions now and then. But:(Abrogation)
- 6/115: “- - - none can change His (Allah’s) Words - - -“. Well, he is contradicting himself, as he clearly changes it himself when something forces him to – try and fail?
- 10/64: “Hereafter, no change can there be in the Words of Allah.”
- Also: This surah was dictated by Muhammad ca. 621. There were many changes in Islam after that – Islam even changed its basis fundamentally and completely from rather peaceful, to a religion of robbing, apartheid, suppression, hate, and war, built on the sword and at least partly on dishonesty - al-Taqiyya, Kitman, "break your oat if that gives a better result", "war is deceit", etc. (How could both these two conflicting directions - peaceful vs. full war religion - both be right and parts of the unchangeable teaching of Allah?) There also were many mistakes which science now see, where the “facts” are changed by reality, and there were many “signs” and “proofs” which the laws of logic in reality changed the moment they were pronounced (Muslims only do not know or refuse to see). His felicity was not and is not 100%.
Also read 10/64 above.
Surah 16 came in 622, surahs 6 and 10 both came in 621. Allah thus abrogates himself, 6/115 and 10/64 with 16/101.
#####But the real importance of this verse, is that it is one of the foundations and alibis for Islam's rule of abrogation (= making some - or actually many - Quranic verses invalid) - f.x. the famous 2/256, from before Muhammad had gained really much power: "Let there be no compulsion in religion" is thoroughly abrogated and invalid, a fact no Muslims ever mention.
025 17/63a: "(Allah) said (to Iblis*): Go thy way - - -". See 17/62 above.
026 17/64a: Here Allah gives Iblis lots of permissions he easily could have denied him. What kind if "good and benevolent god" is this? Also this is not from the Bible.
027 17/64b: "But Satan promises them (humans*) nothing but deceit". But is Allah any better? According to the Quran he accepts and uses dishonesty and deceit and even broken words/oaths (f.x. 2/225a, 5/89a+b, 16/91e, 16/92a+b, 66/2a), and besides there has till date not been reported one proved case of Allah keeping a promise. Claims, but never a proof.
##028 18/51c: "- - - nor is it for Me (Allah*) to take as helpers such as lead (men) astray!" All the same many Muslim scholars think Iblis/the Devil is working for Allah, because Iblis could not - and cannot - run his Hell without the permission of Allah, and without being part of the omnipotent Allah's predestined Plan. This in case tells a lot about how good and benevolent Allah is.
029 19/83b: "Seest thou (Muhammad/Muslims*) not that We (Allah*) have set the Satan against the Unbelievers, to incite them with fury?". An interesting claim - impossible if Allah does not exist, but doubly possible if he exists and belongs to the dark forces (if he is behind the Quran and all its errors, he at least is no god).
030 20/116c: "When We (Allah*) said to the angels, 'Prostrate yourselves to Adam', they prostrated themselves, but not Iblis (later the Devil in Islam*) - - -". This represents a problem for Islam: Was Iblis an angel? But angels according to the Quran is created from light, whereas it is clear that Iblis was created from fire, and thus should be a jinn. The question is not settled yet. Clear language in the Quran?
031 24/21b: "Follow not Satan's footsteps - - -". Just to mention it: As it is clear that no god was involved in the making the Quran, one of the theories is that Satan, dressed up like Gabriel, was the real creator of that book and thus of Islam. (But even though several aspects of the religion may strengthen this theory, we personally are skeptical; not even a devil would make so many mistakes, contradictions, etc. - he had to know he would be found out sooner or later. There is one possible explanation, though; that the god did not permit him to make a new religion to trap more humans for Hell, unless it was done in such a way that the victims had a good chance to understand that something was wrong, and thus evade the trap).
032 31/33h: "- - - nor let the Chief Deceiver deceive you about Allah." But if the Quran is a made up book - and at least it cannot be from a god with that many mistakes - who but Muhammad is then one of the chief deceivers? (If he is not himself deceived by something or somebody - f.x. by a mental illness (f.x. TLE - Temporal Lobe Epilepsy - like modern medical science suspects) or by the dark forces, like a number of points in the Quran may indicate).
033 58/10c: "- - - but he (the Devil*) cannot harm them (people/Muslims*) in the least (= make them sin*), except as Allah permits - - -". But how then can Allah punish man for sins Allah has permitted - even via the Devil - (and according to other verses in the Quran even decided by predestination)??
And: ####Does this mean that Allah is the real ruler also of Hell, like many Muslim scholars believe (because if Allah is omnipotent, it is not possible for the Devil to work unless Allah permits it)? What does this in case tell about the claimed "good and benevolent" god Allah?
034 58/10e: "- - - but he (the Devil*) cannot harm them (people/Muslims*) in the least (= make them sin*), except as Allah permits - - -". Islam is rather harmful to Muslims - at least in this life - and even more so to Muslim women. This means either that Allah does not exist and thus does not decide anything about this, or he permits it.
035 58/19d: "- - - he (Satan*) has made them (non-Muslims*) lose the remembrance of Allah". This in case means Satan has more influence than Allah.
This sentence also referring to Muhammad's never proved claim that once upon a time everyone were Muslims, but false teachings and falsified holy books lead all people astray. The claim is proved wrong, as neither science nor Islam has found one single unmistakable trace of Muslims or Islam or something similar to the Quran older than 610 AD, when Muhammad started his teaching.
"A claim without a proof may be dismissed without a proof" - and here it even is proved that no trace of something like Islam, no god like Allah, and no book like the Quran older than 610 AD ever is found.
036 73/9b: "(He (Allah*) is) Lord of the East and the West - - -". Contradicted in case by the Bible, which says Yahweh is the lord of the whole world. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just lose claims and as lose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
But: If he all the same is the lord of every place, which this is intended to mean, then he in case also must be the real lord of Hell.
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