1000+ Comments on the Quran: Surah 81 -- AT-TAKWIR (The Folding Up)
20 June 2012
Revelation: Mecca, 611 - 615 AD.
(See general comments on Surahs here: Introduction)
The quotes and comments
001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captured - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.
002 81/1a: “When the sun (with its spacious light) is folded up - - -.” A solid sphere cannot be folded up – it can become dark (in many billion years), which may be the underlying meaning, but it cannot be folded up. Muhammad believed the sun was a flat disc. Any god had known better. And “losing their luster”? – it takes millions and billions of years for a star/sun to cool so much that it stops radiating light.
003 81/1b: (YA5970): "- - - is folded up, or twisted up, like a sheet or a garment". There is little doubt that the Quran means the sun is something flat.
004 81/1+4+5: “When the sun (with its spacious light) is folded up (Muhammad believed the sun is a flat disk which can be folded up) - - - the she-camels, 10 months with young, are left untended (and*) When the wild beasts are herded together (in human habitations) - - -”. In some 5 billion years the sun will become a red giant, according to science. The Earth will either be swallowed by it or circle just above its surface. If Earth survives, it will then have a surface temperature of some 2ooo+ C as the surface of a red giant is 2000-3000 Centigrade - and all camels, wild beasts and humans will be gone billions of years before, and the Earth will only be dry cinder. Actually science calculate that life on earth only has some 500 million years left, and that ironically the end may come because of lack of free CO2 for the plants - but this of course just is a theory. From it becomes a red giant it will take many billions of years before the sun becomes dark (it will shrink to become a white dwarf and keep shining for a very long time). Very wrong time factor. Any god had known.
005 81/1-18: Some things the Quran claims will happen when the Day of Doom starts.
006 81/2a: “When (at the Last Day*) the stars (here it is talk about the real stars, not shooting stars*) fall (on Earth*), losing their luster - - -”. The stars cannot fall on earth - never according to science and according to reality. Theoretically Earth can fall into the sun – and may do so in 5 billion years time – but not "vice versa" (it will be the Earth that really moves, not the sun).
007 81/2b: “- - - losing their luster - - -”. It takes billions and billions of years for a star/sun to cool so much that it stops radiating light. Plenty of time till the Day of Doom if this is the indication.
008 81/7: "When the souls are sorted out - - -". Beware that the souls will be sorted in 3 groups according to the Quran - the especially good Muslims "nearest to Allah", going for the best parts of Heaven, the ordinary good Muslims going for the lower classes of Heaven, and the rest, going for Hell.
009 81/8: "- - - the female (infant), buried alive - - -". In the old Arabia this happened to unwanted babies, mostly girls (boys were much more valuable). But science today - included Muslim scientists (f.x. A81/4) - have found that it did not happen often - Muslims overstated the fact to sully their opponents.
010 81/10: "- - - the Scrolls - - -". Most likely the Quran here refers to the journals containing the list of bad and good deeds you did in this life. But why did an omniscient god need scrolls?
011 81/11: "- - - the World on High - - -". The expression is not clear, but likely means the both the places for the next life - Hell and Heaven.
012 81/12: "- - - the Blazing Fire - - -". Hell.
013 81/13: "- - - the Garden - - -". The Quran's and Islam's paradise - see 10/9f above.
014 81/15a: "- - - verily - - -". See 2/2b above.
015 81/15b: "- - - I call to witness - - -". Who is speaking here? It may be Allah - but why do an omniscient, predestining god need witnesses? Or it may be Muhammad - but how can a human speak in a copy of the "mother book" in Heaven, a book which on top of all has to be billions of years old if it is made before the universe or at least before the Earth?
016 81/15-16: "- - - the planets - that recede, go straight, or hide". It is physically impossible for planets to recede (for humans a few of them may seem to have retrograde movement at times, but that is an illusion, and that is not really to recede) - they are captives of the sun's gravitation. For the same reason is it impossible for them to go straight. And there is nowhere in open space to hide (they may have occultation, but that is short-lived and no real hiding). And just to mention it: According to the laws of physics, they will never recede.
017 81/19a: "Verily - - -". In a book with so many mistaken facts and other mistakes, contradictions, cases of invalid logic, etc. some words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved, like here the word "verily".
018 81/19b: “Verily, this is the word of a most honorable Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -.” If a man that is a thief/robber, extorter, womanizer, child molester (Aishah through many years from she was 9 years old), rapist, betrayer, torturer, murderer, mass murderer, war monger and more, is a “most honorable Messenger” - - - well, in that case we will not like to meet a normal messenger, not to mention an in-honorable one. It may seem that Islam have a somewhat special standard for ethics and moral. Contradicted by reality and normal moral and ethics for non-war religions, societies and cultures, and normal points of view concerning human and inhuman behavior (but we stress that far – very far – from all Muslims live according to the Quran on these points.)
019 81/19c: “Verily, this is the word of a most honorable Messenger - - -". As the text - like so often in the Quran - is not quite specific, this Messenger also might mean Gabriel (or perhaps someone or something dressed up like Gabriel? - Muhammad would not have a chance to see the difference, and parts of the Quran and also of its moral code are pretty devilish*), but the Quran is not the words of the Gabriel from the Bible.
020 81/19-20: "- - - a most honorable Messenger (Muhammad*), Endued with Power - - -". If it here is indicated any supernatural power, this is wrong. It is very clear from the Quran that Muhammad had no supernatural power (and that consequently f.x. the miracles he performed according to Hadiths are fairy tales). It may refer to that he is promised the power of interceding for others on the Day of Doom. But also see 81/19c above - if this refers to Gabriel, the words about power may be easier to explain. As mentioned before: The language in the Quran often is unclear, in spite of that Islam claims the clearness of its language is so extreme, that it is a proof for that it is made by a god (what does then the reality of hundreds of points so unclear that even Muslim scholars do not understand what it means, or disagree on the meaning or have to say that all possible logical meanings of a point or a sentence or a verse are right, even if the possible meanings vary wildly - what does this fact then prove?)
021 81/20a: "- - - with rank before the Lord of the Throne". = With a rank over the others at the Day of Doom. One of the many, many claims Muhammad was unable to prove - but for the ones who believed him, this gave him status and authority. True or not - what often counts more than the truth, is what people believe. (But it is possible here is not meant Muhammad, but Gabriel - see 81/19c above.
022 81/20b: "- - - the Lord of the Throne - - -". Here is indicated Allah, but this is contradicted by contradicted by the Bible, which says the lord of the Throne of all the creation is Yahweh, not Allah. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
023 81/21a: "(Muhammad*) With authority there (in Heaven*)". Another place in the Quran Muhammad tells he has permission to speak on the Day of Doom. Believe such things if you want, but first see 81/20 just above.
024 81/21b: "(Muhammad is*) faithful to his trust - - -". See 81/19b above.
025 81/22: "And (O people!) your (here Arabs'*) Companion (Muhammad*) is not one possessed - - -". A most open question, as modern medical science suspects he had TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) - his symptoms are uncannily like those of that illness, included religious illusions. And in the old times persons with mental illnesses were reckoned to be possessed by one or more bad spirit(s).
026 81/23a: "- - - without doubt - - -". See f.x. 2/2b and 81/19a above.
027 81/23b: "- - - without doubt he (Muhammad*) saw him (Gabriel*) on the horizon". This refers to Muhammad's claim that he ones saw the angel Gabriel with his 600 wings on the horizon. 600 wings may sound impressive for uneducated people only knowing how fast birds can go with just 2 wings. But 600 wings would create so much turbulence that Gabriel in case would fall like a sack of meat - there is a good reason why both birds and planes only have 2 wings. Any god would know this, but Muhammad not. Then who made the Quran?
Another small point here is that you will not find one single place in the Bible where angels are described with wings. Seraphs yes. Cherubs yes. Ordinary angels no - and Gabriel was an angel both according to the Bible and to the Quran. (The wings of the angels were created by artists in the 3. and 4. century AD, simply because it was the only means those artists knew for flying - it is not from the Bible). If angels are spiritual beings or souls, they may not need wings for flying. One more difference between the Quran and the Bible?
028 81/24: "Neither doth he (Muhammad*) withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen ("the Unseen" in the Quran normally means the future or what is hidden from humans by the super naturals*)". Once more we are back to the fact that Muhammad was unable to see what was hidden and also unable to see the future, which means he was no real prophet - a person unable to make prophesies, is no prophet (the original title for "prophet" even was "a seer" - one who was able to see the unseen). But "prophet" is an imposing title, so Muhammad "borrowed" it, like so many have done trough the times. This even though he here indirectly, but very clearly admits he does not deserve or merit that title.
029 81/25: "Nor is it (the Quran*) the word of an evil spirit accursed". This may be wrong, as it is one of the real possibilities for who made the Quran (it is one of the theories for who is the real maker of the book) - the partly immoral moral code of the Quran, the partly unjust and/or immoral sharia laws, and its rules for blood, murder and war, may indicate a devil or bad spirits as the real maker(s). But even a devil would hardly deliver a book with so many errors, etc. - he had to know he would be found out sooner or later and loose credence. Which leave human creators as the likely creators, as it was no god - not with all those mistakes, etc? Though it is possible it was made by dark forces, if all the mistakes, etc. were a condition for permission from a god to try to lure more to Hell - the mistakes, etc. in case had to be included so as to make it easy for people to see something was wrong and avoid the trap.)
030 81/27a: "Verily - - -". See f. x. 81/19a above.
031 81/27b: "- - - a Message - - -". Is the Quran really a message? - and in case from whom, as no god is behind a book of that quality?
032 81/27c: "- - - a Message (the Quran*) for (all) the Worlds - - -". Why then is it written so that you had to be an Arab to understand all points in it?
033 81/27d: “- - - the Worlds - - -.” Well, the 7 (flat) worlds of Muhammad simply never are found by science. See 65/12b above.
034 81/28a: "(The Quran is*) (With profit) to whoever among you wills to go straight". Wrong to say the least of it: A book with such a crooked content cannot make anyone go straight.
035 81/28b: "- - - whoever among you wills to go straight". Muslims.
036 81/29a: "But ye (people*) shall not will except as Allah wills". This can be understood at least in 2 ways in this book of claimed very clear texts: You ought not to want to or do other things than what Allah will like - or it may be a reference to Allah's predestination; you shall for all times say and do only what Allah wills you to say and do.
037 81/29b: "- - - (Allah*) the Cherisher of the Worlds". See 1/1a and see how much he cherishes the world and its inhabitants. Besides this is contradicted by the Bible, which says that the cherisher of the world is Yahweh, not Allah. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
038 81/29c: “- - - the Worlds - - -.” See 81/27 just above and 65/12b above.
Surah 81: Sub-total: 38 + 20.167 = 20.205 comments.
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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".