1000+ Comments on the Quran: Surah 79 -- An-Naziat (Those Who Tear Out)
20 June 2012
Revelation: Mecca, 620 - 622 AD
(See general comments on Surahs here: Introduction)
The quotes and comments
001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captured - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.
002 79/1a: "By the (angels) - - -". Sentences in the Quran starting with ”by” normally are an oath - the Quran/Muhammad is swearing by something. Here he seems to be swearing something by the angels - perhaps that verse 6 really will happen. But whenever the Quran swears - or in other ways promises - remember that according to the rules for al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth), it is permitted to lie to defend and to forward Islam (and for 6 -8 other topics), and that according to Muhammad's own words and deeds in the Quran, oaths should be broken if that will give a more satisfying result, even though in some cases you should pay expiation to Allah afterwards..
003 79/1b: "By the (angels) - - -". That Allah is swearing is one of the strong proofs for that Yahweh and he are not the same god. According to the Bible, one shall not swear at all (Matt. 5/34). And if you do so all the same, you are bound by your oath, whereas Allah does not care very much (f.x. 34/3f above) except if you break a serious oath, you should pay expiation afterwards. Not the same moral code at all.
004 79/1c: "- - - (- - - the wicked) - - -". One of the Quran's many negative and distance inducing names for non-Muslims.
005 79/1d: "- - - (- - - wicked) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
006 79/1-5a: (A79/1-3 – YA5916-5919): This is one of the really (un)clear ones in the Quran: “By (= swearing by*) the (angles) who tear out (the souls of the wicked) with violence; by those who gently draw out (the souls of the blessed); and by those who glide along (on errands of mercy), then press forward as in a race, then arrange to do (the command of their Lord (Allah*) - - -.” Then compare it to this – a translation of exactly the same Arab original text: “Consider those (stars) that rise only to set, and move (in their orbits (!!)) with steady motion, and float (through space) with floating serene, and yet overtake (one another) with swift overtaking, and thus they fulfill the (Creator’s (Allah’s*)) behest!” Is it from the same book? Or something from the aborigines in Australia or somewhere? These very different ways of understanding the text, arises from the fact that only some letters - the consonants - were written in the old Arab texts, and the missing letters has to be guessed. Also note how much is added in ( ) to arrive at the meanings one wishes – this is permitted in Islam (NB: Such inclusions far from always are “leading one by the nose” – it often is correct additional explanations). But anyone who believe in the claim about the very clear language used in the Quran, either has no – zero – knowledge about it, or is very naïve, or goes by wishful thinking only, or is lead by his nose - - - or needs a “head shrink”. Sorry, but that is how it is.
007 79/1-5b: (YA5917) (continued from 79/1-5a): “There is much difference of opinion among the commentators as to the five things or beings mentioned in these verses.” Clear language?
008 79/2: "- - - (- - - the blessed) - - -". Muslims.
009 79/3: "- - - those who glide along - - -". Nobody knows to whom or what this refers. As mentioned some places, the language in the Quran often is unclear (this in spite of Muslims' eager claims about how clear and easy the texts is in the Quran - the claim simply is not true. And the claim that the language in the book is so clear, easy to understand, and impossible to misunderstand simply is an unintended joke - - - and what do in case all the mistakes and unclear points prove?).
010 79/4: "Then press forward as in a race". Tell this to many an aggressive Muslim. A race is a peaceful competition. Many Muslims behaves like in a war.
011 79/5: "- - - (the Commands of their (Muslims*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". But as the Quran is not from a god, it is a very open question from whom the commands come - something or someone pretending to be a god? - an illness like TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy)? - or humans, perhaps even from Muhammad himself?
012 79/6: "One Day - - -". The Day of Doom.
013 79/8: "- - - that Day - - -". The Day of Doom.
014 79/10: "They (non-Muslims*) say (now): 'What! Shall we - - -". See 71/7b above.
015 79/10-11: "What! Shall we (humans*) indeed be returned to our former state? - What - when we shall have become rotten bones?" Muhammad claimed people would be resurrected to the claimed next life in body, mot only in soul, (though as young adults). This was - and still is - a bit difficult to believe, especially as it is so meaningless - resurrection to a next life as free souls could be much more exciting than still being bound to a cumbersome physical body. On the other hand Muhammad was forced to claim resurrection in body, because except for relative closeness to Allah and peace, all which his paradise has to offer, is physical luxury and bodily pleasure - nothing else. To enjoy that you have to have a body.
016 79/11: "- - - rotten bones - - -". Remember that Muhammad told you would be resurrected in body - a bit difficult to believe after it has decomposed totally. (But necessary for Muhammad, as nearly all claimed pleasures in his paradise were bodily pleasures.)
017 79/12: "They (non-Muslims*) say: 'It would - - -". See 71/7b above.
018 79/13: "- - - verily - - -". See f.x. 2/2b and 61/4a above.
019 79/14: (A79/6 – omitted in 2008): “- - - they (the dead ones*) will be in the (full) awakening (to Judgment).” This is the most usual meaning of the Arab expression “bi-‘s-sahirah”. Many of the first generations of Muslims explained it like this: “- - - they will be on the surface of the earth (= raised from the graves*)” (Ibn Kathir). Clear to you?
020 79/15: "- - - Moses - - -". A historical anomaly.
021 79/16: "- - - the sacred valley of Tuwa - - -". The Bible (2. Mos. 3/1) only tells it was near Mt. Horeb. As the Quran is not from a god, and as the Bible is the only source for information about Moses, from where did Muhammad get this extra piece of information?
022 79/17: "- - - Pharaoh - - -". Always when the Quran talks about a Pharaoh, it is about the opponent of Moses, Pharaoh Ramses II. There is one exception only, but only indirectly: The baby Moses was picked up from the Nile by the wife of Pharaoh (in the Bible by his daughter - 2. Mos. 2/6). We may add that as we know Ramses II did not drown, it is normal for Islam/Muslim scholars to claim it was an earlier, but not specified pharaoh where we do not know the cause of his death. But science is in no doubt: If exodus took place, it was around 1235 BC = during the reign of Ramses II.)
023 79/17: "- - - Pharaoh - - -". A historical anomaly.
024 79/18a: "Wouldst thou (Pharaoh Ramses II*) that thou shouldst be purified (from sin)?" In the Bible Moses did not talk about religion, only "Let my people go". From where is this extra information? Also see 79/16 just above.
025 79/18b: "- - - (- - -sin) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. We also may mention that just this word often covers very different deeds, acts, words, and thoughts in the Quran and Islam, than in more normal religions (Islam is a religion of war - in spite of its loud slogans), not to mention how much its meaning in the Quran often differs from the basic of all human moral; "do against others like you want others do against you". Read the surahs from Medina and weep.
One small remark: As Yahweh's religion and f.x. moral code at many points are totally different from Allah's, you may qualify for Yahweh's Paradise even if Muslims condemn you to Hell - if both exist. One more of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.
026 79/19: "And that I (Moses*) guide thee (Pharaoh Ramses II*) to thy Lord (Allah*) - - -". This is not from the Bible - in the Bible Moses only tried to make Ramses II to "let my people go", not also to make him change religion. Also see 79/16 and 79/18a above.
027 79/20a: (YA5931): “Then did (Moses) show him (Pharaoh*) the Great Sign”. But nobody knows what the book refers to. The Quran (17/101) refers to 9 signs (the Bible 13 – the staff, white hand, and blood turned to water + 10 plagues), but none of them are indicated to be the Great Sign – they are on not too different level (in the Bible it would have been the last, terrible plague, but that one is not mentioned in the Quran). More guesswork among Muslim scholars because of unclear language in the Quran.
028 79/20b: "- - - (Moses) - - -". A historical anomaly.
029 79/21a: "- - - (Pharaoh (Ramses II')) - - -". A historical anomaly.
030 79/21b: "- - - (guidance) - - -". The Quran indicates that Moses was a good Muslim, and that he had a book - a copy of the claimed and timeless "Mother Book" = similar to the Quran. Not much reliable guidance for Ramses II in such a book.
031 79/22: "- - - (Ramses II was) striving hard (against Allah)". According to the Bible, the involved god was Yahweh, not Allah.
032 79/24: “(Pharaoh Ramses II*) Saying: ‘I am your Lord (in this connection: Your god*), most High’”. The pharaoh was not the “most high” god in the old Egypt. See 28/38a above.
033 79/24: “(Pharaoh Ramses II*) Saying: ‘I am your Lord (in this connection: Your god*), most High’”. See 71/7b above.
034 79/25: “But Allah did punish him (Pharaoh Ramses II*) - - -”. Wrong at least as for in this life. We know from other places in the Quran that the punishment is said to be drowning. But for one thing Ramses II did not die by drowning, and for another thing: He only died years later.
035 79/26a: "Verily - - -". See f. x. 2/2b and 61/4a above.
036 79/26b: "Verily, in this is an instructive warning for whosoever feareth (Allah*)". If the Bible is correct, the claimed "instructive warning" is not very instructive about Allah, as that book - the only source about this incident - tells it was done by Yahweh - quite another god in spite of Muhammad’s claims.
037 79/27a: "Are ye (humans*) the more difficult to create or the heaven (above)?" That is quite possible. The stars means enormous quantities, but of elementary stuff. Life - and even more so intelligent life - is qualitative something entirely different. According to what modern science believe, it just took a minute to create the elements - or 300ooo years for it to reach in non-ionized form. But from the creation of Earth till the first primitive life it took half a billion years or more (numbers vary from 300 million to 1 billion years), and from the creation of Earth till intelligent life nearly 4.567 billion years - give or take a little depending on your definition of "intelligent life" (even today some ones question if humans really are intelligent - man does not always behave intelligent - - - f.x. by believing in a book full of mistakes.)
038 79/27b: "Are ye more difficult to create or the heaven(above)? (Allah hath constructed it)". Muhammad's standard trick when debating: Allah has created heaven - not even trying to prove it, he just behaves like it is a fact. And then he argues from that never proved platform - like so very often in the Quran. Just keep your eyes open when you read the Quran, and you will find lots of such cases of invalid logic and argumentations.
039 79/28: “On high hath He (Allah*) raised its (heaven’s*) canopy - - -”. Heaven is no canopy. See 67/3a. 67/3b, 67/5a and 67/5b.
040 79/29: "Its (the firmament's?*) night doth He (Allah*) endow with darkness, and its splendor He bringeth out (with light (the stars and the moon*))". See 11/7a above.
*041 79/30: “And the earth, moreover, hath He (Allah*) extended to a wide expense - - -”. See 78/6a+b. As this is one of the last places in the Quran where the Earth’s form is indicated (flat), we may add that you will meet Muslims who insist that it is egg-shaped. This is taken from one of the translators that even Islam reckons not to be an outstanding one, Rashad Khalifa. He translates that the Earth is egg shaped. But the Arab original speaks about the ground that the ostrich flattens before it lays its egg = a flat area. Instead the clever Mr. Rashad Khalifa talks about the egg – and egg shaped!! And as this fits reality in a way (Earth in reality is a slightly flattened sphere - 21 km shorter diameter between the poles than at equator (an egg is the opposite) and with an ever so slight pear-shape) – though not the Quran – this mistaken translation often is quoted. (You never find that translation from a good translator).
042 79/31: "He (Allah*) draweth out therefrom its moisture and its pasture - - -". See 11/7a above.
043 79/32: "And the mountains hath He (Allah*) firmly fixed". See 11/7a above.
044 79/32-33: "And the mountains hath He (Allah*) firmly fixed; for the use and convenience to you and your cattle". To believe this is the reason why the mountains were made, you have to be quite naive and un-educated.
045 79/35: "The Day - - -". The Day of Doom.
046 79/37: "- - - such as had transgressed all bonds". One of Muhammad's many distaste - and stronger - inducing names for non-Muslims. Also notice that when Muhammad is telling about biblical stories, he often use this or similar vague expressions - he often clearly does not know what happened - where the Bible tells exactly. Which of these ways of telling a story normally makes best literature?
047 79/39: "The Abode (for non-Muslims*) will be Hell-fire". See 3/77b above.
048 79/40a: "- - - such as had entertained the fear of standing before their Lord's (Allah's) (tribunal) - - -". A complicated way of saying "Muslims".
049 79/40b: "- - - and had restrained (their) soul from lower Desires". - like stealing/robbing in the name of Allah? - like raping in the name of Allah? - like making fellow humans slaves in the name of Allah? - like suppressing them in the name of Allah? - like destroying their loves in the name of Allah? - like torturing them in the name of Allah (f. ex. skinning alive, burning alive, burying alive) - like murdering them in the name of Allah (often in sadistic ways)?
050 79/41a: "Their (Muslims'*) abode will be the Garden". If Allah exists and is a god - ad if the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth.
051 79/41b: "- - - the Garden". The Quran's and Islam's Paradise - see 10/9f above.
052 79/42a: "- - - the Hour - - -". The time of the Day of Doom.
053 79/42b: "- - - its appointed time - - -". Allah predestine everything according to his unchangeable Plan - included the Day of Doom.
054 79/44: "With thy (Muslims'/Muhammad’s*) Lord (Allah*) is the Limit fixed therefore". Allah decides and predestines absolutely everything according to the Quran.
055 79/45a: “Thou (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.
056 79/45b: “Thou (Muhammad*) art but a Warner - - -.” And he stayed like that - - - until he grew powerful enough to do more than warning – f. ex. enforcing and empire-building. And it is a question who changed his mind around 622 AD – Allah or Muhammad? And who changed the religion – Allah or Muhammad? That change demanded that the religion from the 12 years in Mecca had to be both contradicted and abrogated on many a point. This verse is contradicted and often “killed” by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).
057 79/45c: “Thou (Muhammad*) art but a Warner - - -.” And he stayed like that - - - until he grew powerful enough to do more than warning – f. ex. enforcing and empire-building. And it is a question who changed his mind around 622 AD – Allah or Muhammad? And who changed the religion – Allah or Muhammad? That chance demanded that the religion from the 12 years in Mecca had to be both contradicted and abrogated on many a point. This verse is abrogated – made invalid - by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/38, 3/85, 3/148, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 8/12, 8/38, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many bloody threats, but also verses advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 28 abrogations).
058 79/45d: "- - - such as fear it (the Day of Doom*)". Muslims.
059 79/46a: "The Day they see it - - -". The Day of Doom.
060 79/46b: "The Day they (the dead ones*) see it, (it will be as if they had tarried (in the grave*) but a single evening, or (at most till) the following morning". No time passes between death and the Day of Doom. Remember this when Hadiths, tells about punishment in the grave - there is no time for such punishment according to the Quran.
Surah 79: Sub-total: 60 + 20.068 = 20.128 comments.
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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".