1000+ Comments on the Quran: Surah 72 -- Al-Jinn (The Jinns)
20 June 2012
Revelation: Mecca, 611 - 615 AD.
(See general comments on Surahs here: Introduction)
The quotes and comments
001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captured - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.
002 72/1a: "Say (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.
003 72/1b: "Jinn". A being originally from old Arab folklore, legends and old pagan Arab religion. According to the Quran, they were created by Allah from fire, and it seems that most of them end in Hell. It also seems, but is not 100% sure from the Quran, that Iblis - the Muslim Devil - originally was a Jinn. In western literature "jinn" often is translated with "spirit", but they seem to be material, though invisible. There exist old Islamic laws regulating marriages between humans and jinns, (but no such marriage has ever taken place), and such marriages could not be arranged unless (the Muslims thought) Jinns were material. Also fire = smoke so hot that it emits light, and smoke is material. Strangely you found Jinns only in and around Arabia - an Arabism in a claimed universal god's tales.
004 72/1c: "They (the Jinns*) said, 'We have really heard - - -". See 71/7b above.
005 72/2a: "It (the Quran*) gives guidance - - -". A book with so much wrong contents, plus a partly immoral moral code and partly unjust and immoral laws gives little real guidance.
006 72/2b: "It (the Quran*) gives guidance to the Right - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like "right", it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
007 72/2c: "- - - not join "in worship) any (gods) with our (Jinns'*) Lord (claimed to be Allah*)". See 2/255a, 6/106b and 25/18a above.
##008 72/3a: “- - - He (Allah*) has taken neither a wife - - -". This is one of Muhammad's "proofs" for that Jesus could not be the son of the god (Muhammad wrongly claimed that Yahweh = Allah). But the "proof" is without meaning or value, as the Quran more than once states that when Allah wants something, "he just says 'Be, and it is'". Allah or Yahweh just could say "Be a son" and Jesus was.
This that one argument or claim kills another, is pretty common among Muslims. They meet a difficult fact. A fact regularly consists of several aspects and/or is built on different underlying facts, and/or its conclusion(s) must fit other information not to be proved untrue. Famous samples are the impossible conflict between Allah's claimed total predestination and man's claimed free or partly free will, and f.x. Muslim's claim that the Quran describes a scientifically correct astronomy, versus what the Quran really tells about this. Or the hopeless tries to explain away the 7 heavens or the 7 earths. What they very often do, is to take one aspect of a case, "solve" that by a - sometimes logically correct - claim, argument or fact - and voila! the case is solved! Even if you point to impossibilities and collisions with other points in the Quran, they often are reluctant to leave their wrong conclusions. They f.x. may have nice "proofs" for that the Quran foretold science by giving a scientifically correct picture of the universe - without then explaining how the stars then can be fastened to the lowest of 7 heavens below the moon (as the moon is claimed to be between the heavens, and thus above the lowest of them. Or how the Quran can be claimed to be explaining the universe with all its empty space and vacuum, when the Quran tells the 7 heavens are material (if not the stars could not be fastened to one like the Quran both claims and states.
#009 72/3b: “- - - He (Allah*) has taken neither a wife nor a son.” If Allah is not the same god as Yahweh, this may be true. But if the two are the same, like the Quran without any documentation claims: Well, Jesus called him “father” many times (the word is used for the relationship between Yahweh and Allah at least 204 times, and the word "son" at least 87 times in the Bible - often by Jesus himself, and Jesus was reliable also according to the Quran) in front of thousands of witnesses. And as for a wife: In the really old Hebrew religion the god had a female companion - his Amat (source: New Scientist and others). But in the very male culture she was forgotten. Also see 17/111b+c above.
010 72/4a: "There are some foolish ones among us (Arabs/Jinns*), who used to utter extravagant lies against Allah". You had to be foolish not to believe in Muhammad: A never proved argument with a double effect: "All non-Muslims are foolish", and that is the reason why they do not accept Muhammad - the explanation is not that they know or understand things we do not know or are unable to see or understand (which for many was the real reason). And: "We Muslims are the only wise ones", and who does not want to be counted among the wise ones - especially if you are not very wise?
011 72/4b: "- - - extravagant lies against Allah". But if the skeptics are right on one or more or many points, that means the claimed "extravagant lies" are extravagant truths. And as so much is wrong in the Quran, this seems to be the reality.
012 72/5: "But we (Muhammad) do think that no man or spirit should say aught that is untrue against Allah". No comments except: Remember how much is wrong in the Quran and that not a comma of the essential claims is proved.
Well, one more thing: As the Quran is from no god and full of mistakes, contradictions, etc.: Who is speaking untruth about Allah? - Muslims or non-Muslims?
013 72/6a: "True - - -". See 2/2b above.
014 72/6b: "True, there are persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the Jinns - - -". If you are able to believe humans took shelter among beings borrowed from old pagan Arab religion, folklore and fairy tales, you are permitted to believe so. But there never was a proved case of such a happening. But it is a nice, if a bit incredible, case of one of Muhammad's techniques when debating: Claim or state that something is true without the slightest proofs, and then make claims from there, or claim it proves this and this. Totally without value as a real argument and not even related to normal logic - - - but so what, as long as naive followers believe it?! (But then Muslims often are not trained in logical deduction, and some of the training they get, even is wrong, as Islam cannot afford to teach logical laws which make the mistakes, contradictions, etc. too easy to see. F.x. that problems can have 2 or more correct solutions, even if the solutions are mutually excluding.)
#015 72/7a: "And they (Jinns*) (came to) think as ye thought, that Allah would not raise up any one (to Judgment)". Here like so many places in the Quran what is said in the Quran is treated as facts, and thus that skeptics are improbably stupid and wrong - some places things like this even is said, not only indicated. This in spite of that not one single central letter in all the Quran is anything but belief - nothing is proved and thus nothing is really knowledge, only belief, and worse; blind belief.
#016 72/7b: "- - - that Allah would not raise up any one (to Judgment)". Allah cannot raise even a flee unless he exists and is something supernatural.
#017 72/7c: "- - - that Allah would not raise up any one (to Judgment)". Contradicted by the Bible, which says the resurrection will be performed by Yahweh, not by Allah. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.
018 72/7d: (A72/5): "The overwhelming majority of the Jews were convinced that no prophet would be raised after those who were explicitly mentioned in the Old Testament: hence their rejection of Jesus and, of course, Muhammad - - -". This is utterly wrong, even according to the Quran and Islam itself. It is very clearly foretold in the OT that a mighty prophet - the Messiah (Christ in Greek) - should come once upon a time. This is very well known also in Islam, as they use f.x. Moses' words about a future prophet "like himself" in 5.Mos. 18/15 and 18/18 to claim foretelling about Muhammad - so intensely well known in Islam that there is no chance Mr. Asad did not know about it - the claim simply is one of the al-Taqiyyas (lawful lies) in Islam. It also is a school example of the many cases where Muslims tries to "explain" away things by "explaining" one or some aspect(s) of something, but forget that other texts or even facts kills the "explanation". Sometimes - like here - such tries are perfectly helpless. It also is one of the many examples of the degree of honesty among at least some Muslim scholars.
*019 72/8a: “And we (jinns – a being “borrowed” from pagan Arab religion, legends and fairy tales*) pried into the secrets of heaven - - -". According to this and some other places in the Quran, Jinns and bad spirits lurked around under the (lowest?) heaven and tried to spy on what happened and what was said in the heavens. As the havens do not exist - at least not like described in the Quran - comments gives themselves.
*020 72/8b: “And we (jinns*) pried into the secrets of heaven, but we found it filled with stern guides and flaming fires.” The Quran tells that Allah use the stars like shooting stars – flaming fire – to chase away bad spirits and jinns wanting to spy on heaven. No comments should be necessary to this nonsense. Any god had known the difference between a shooting star, and a real star - even a devil had known. Then who made the Quran?
021 72/8c: (A71/6): “And we pried into the secrets of heaven: but found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires (shooting stars*)” The majority of Muslims thinks this refers to jinns trying to spy on Heaven. But then there are the other possible explanations according to Muslims: That it refers to the Jews and their “haughty” belief in security and special treatments because the belief that they were “Yahweh’s chosen people” (why do the Quran – and Muslims – never mention that the real reason for this belief was the fact that they believed they had a covenant with Yahweh? – a covenant mistreated and broken, but never terminated.) Or to the Jews’ special interest for astrology – a special interest not known to anyone but Muslims. This is one more place where multiple meanings may have come into existence more from wishful slander-like thinking, than from real linguistic problems - - - but they are as real as long as Muslims believe in them.
022 72/9a: "We (Jinns*) used, indeed, to sit there in (hidden (in open space!*)) stations, to (steal) a hearing - - -". See 72/8a above.
023 72/9b: "- - - indeed - - -". See 2/2b above.
024 72/9c: "- - - to (steal) a hearing - - -". = To spy on.
025 72/9d: "- - - any (jinn*) who listens (spies*) now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush". See 72/8b above.
026 72/9e: “- - - flaming fire - - -.” See 72/8b above.
027 72/10a: "- - - guide - - -". There at least is not much guidance in a guidebook like the Quran.
028 72/10b: "- - - right conduct". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
029 72/11: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
030 72/12: "- - - frustrate Allah - - -". This is not possible unless he exists.
031 72/13a: "- - - since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it - - -". Does this mean that the Quran is so obviously true that you have to believe in it once you listen to it? In that case Muhammad had a very low esteem of his listeners' knowledge and ability to use their brain (perhaps with a reason).
032 72/13b: "- - - Guidance - - -". No teaching based on a book full of errors, has any valuable guidance - on the contrary normally.
033 72/13c: "- - - any who believes in his Lord (Allah*) has no fear - - -". This may be correct - like in most other religions. But if the god or gods are made up, they may have a reason to have fear. And as the Quran is not from a god, Muslims have such a reason for fear - it is highly likely Allah is a made up god - like the Quran is (as it is from no god and no god behind it, it is made up in religious meaning).
034 72/13d: "- - - injustice." Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code, and partly unjust sharia laws.
035 72/14a: "- - - some that submit their wills (to Allah (= Muhammad in this world)) - - -". = Muslims.
036 72/14b: "- - - some that swerve from justice". One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims.
037 72/14c: "- - - justice". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code, partly unethical ethical code, and partly unjust sharia laws.
038 72/14d: "- - - those
039 72/14e: "- - - they (Muslims*) have sought out (the path) of the right conduct". One of the many not proved claims in the Quran - and all too often contradicted by the golden rule (which by the way is from the Bible (Luke 6/31)): "Do against others like you want others do against you".
040 72/14f: "- - - right conduct". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
041 72/15a: "- - - those who swerve - - -". Here non-Muslims - one of Muhammad's many negative names for such ones.
042 72/15b: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) are (but) fuel for Hellfire". One of Muhammad’s many negative - often distaste or stronger inducing - characteristics of non-Muslims.
043 72/16a: "(And Allah's Message is):" Sorry but there never was a message provably from Allah. Claims "en masse", but never a proof. And as for the Quran, all the errors, contradictions, etc. prove at least 100% that it is from no god.
044 72/16b: "If they (the Pagans) had (only) remained on the (right) Way - - -". This sentence presumes that the Pagans were Muslims before. For most of them - or all - this is not true.
##045 72/16c: "If they (the Pagans) had (only) remained on the (right) Way, We (Allah*) should certainly bestowed on them Rain in abundance." This one is too stupid - and demands too naive listeners/readers - to merit a comment.
##046 72/16d: "- - - We (Allah*) should certainly bestowed on them Rain in abundance." See 11/7a above.
0047 72/16e: "- - - the (right) Way - - -". Here intended to mean Islam. Knowing that Islam is built on a book choke full of errors, contradictions, etc., and a book delivered by a man of very doubtful moral standard, believing in the use of dishonesty and even in broken oaths, but liking power, riches for more power, and women, we do not think we comment on this.
048 72/17a: "That We (Allah*) might try them (people*) - - -". Why does an omniscient and predestining god need to try people? - according to the Quran he knows absolutely everything?
049 72/17b: "But if any of them (Pagans*) turns away from the remembrance of his Lord (Allah*)". If Allah does not exist or for other reasons is no god, it is not a turning away from any remembrance of Allah, but from tales claimed to be from Allah.
050 72/17c: "- - - a severe Penalty". See 3/77b above.
051 72/18a: "- - - the places of worship are for Allah alone - - -". Well, f.x. none of the synagogues or churches is for Allah.
052 72/18b: "- - - invoke not anyone along with Allah". See 6/106b and 25/18a above.
053 72/19: "- - - the Devotee of Allah - - -". Unclear who he is, but most Muslim scholars believe it means Muhammad.
054 72/20a: "Say (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.
055 72/20b: "- - - join not with Him (Allah*) any (false god)". If Allah do not exist, it is not possible to join anything with him. But for that see 2/255a, 6/106b, and 25/18/a above.
056 72/21a: "Say (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.
057 72/21b: "It is not in my (Muhammad's*) power to cause you harm - - -". But you bet this changed when he grew powerful some 10 years later.
058 72/21c: "- - - right conduct". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
059 72/22a: "Say (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.
060 72/22b: "No one can deliver me (Muhammad/ a Muslim?*) from Allah (if I were to disobey Him), nor should I find refuge except in Him". None of this is true unless Allah exists, is a top god and no other god exists - and after all the Quran admits that the old Jewish and Christian god Yahweh do exist (even though it wrongly mixes him with Allah). But a very nice position for Muhammad if Allah does not exist and Muhammad knew it.
061 72/23a: "- - - Allah and His Messenger - - -". Muhammad's standard Mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power.
062 72/23b: " - - - His (Allah's*) Messenger - - -". See 63/5a above.
063 72/23c: " - - - His (Allah's*) Messenger - - -". A historical anomaly.
###064 72/23d: "- - - for any that disobey Allah and his Messenger - for them is Hell - - -". A very clear message - especially as the only one they in reality could disobey here on Earth was Muhammad.
065 72/23e: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) shall dwell therein (Hell*) for ever". F.x. 6/128c and 11/107b, 43/74c, 51/13c, and 78/23 all indicate that it perhaps is not quite forever, at least not for Muslims (and 11/108b may indicate that Paradise may not be forever).
066 72/24: "- - - when they (non-Muslims*) see (with their own eyes) that which they are promised (in the next life by Allah*)" - - -". That Allah has promised something, and that they will see it in the next life are two more of the many never documented claims in the Quran - similar to the claims you find in most religions. There never - never - was a proved case of Allah keeping a promise (not even of giving one). Many claims, but never a proved case - - - and claims are cheap.
067 72/25a: "Say (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.
068 72/25b: "- - - or whether my (Muhammad's/Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) for it a distant term). The predestination once more - Allah predestines everything, according to the Quran. (You will meet Muslims claiming it is not real predestination, as predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man - even partly such - and thus it is immoral for Allah to reward or punish people for what they do. But the Quran is extremely clear on that Allah predestines every detail of every ones' life and much more.
069 72/26: "He (Allah*) (alone) knows the Unseen - - -". It is very clear that Muhammad did not see the unknown - was a "seer", the original name for "a prophet". "A seer" - and thus a prophet when the title was changed from "seer" to "prophet" (1. Sam. 9/9) - was one who was able to see the unseen. Muhammad was no real prophet - he was unable to make prophesies
070 72/26-27: "- - - nor does He (Allah*) make anyone acquainted with his Mysteries - Except a Messenger (can only be Muhammad in this case*) He (Allah) has chosen - - -". Muhammad is not a prophet, but he really is a close friend to Allah it seems - or perhaps made to seem so?.
071 72/27a: "- - - a Messenger (can only be Muhammad in this case*) - - -". See 63/5a above.
072 72/27b: "- - - He (Allah*) makes a band of watchers makes a band of watchers march before him (the messenger*) and behind him - - -". Muslim scholars agree on that "he" is Muhammad, but what kind of guard is guesswork - angels, high moral (!), etc.
073 72/28a: "- - - (so*) that He (Allah*) may know that they (messengers - included Muhammad*) have (truly) brought and delivered the Messages of their Lord (Allah*) - - -". Why did Allah need a number of angels for each messenger to check what they said and not said, if he was omniscient?
074 72/28b: "- - - (so*) that He (Allah*) may know that they have (truly) brought and delivered the Messages of their Lord (Allah*) - - -". No god was ever involved in the delivery of a message of a quality like the Quran.
075 72/28c: "- - - (truly) - - -" See f.x. 2/2b and 61/4a above.
076 72/28d: "- - - Message (the Quran*) - - -". As the Quran is from no god, was it really a message? - and in case from whom?
077 72/28e: "- - - (Allah*) takes account of every single thing". If he takes account of every single thing, then he knows every single thing - then why 2/233h above?
Surah 72: Sub-total: 77 + 19.574 = 19.651 comments.
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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".