1000+ Comments on the Quran: Surah 58 -- AL-MUJADILAH (The Pleading)

Revelation: Medina, Late 627 or early 628 AD.

(See general comments on Surahs here: Introduction)


 

The quotes and comments

001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captured - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 58/1a: “Allah has indeed heard (and accepted) the statement of the woman who pleads with thee (Muhammad’) - - - and Allah (always) hears and sees the arguments between both sides among you - - -.” Among others this verse makes it impossible not to hear also the woman/women in a conflict. But it is no secret that her judicial position is weaker than the man’s. Besides: Why does an omniscient god who according to the Quran knows everything, need to listen to the parts?

003 58/1b: “Allah has indeed heard (and accepted) the statement of the woman who pleads with thee (Muhammad’) - - - and Allah (always) hears and sees the arguments between both sides among you - - -.” How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this: 

When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.

The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different.

The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

Also see 3/154e 6/149a, 7/34a, 14/22b, and not least 27/22-26 above.

004 58/1c: "- - - indeed - - -". See 2/2b above.

005 58/1d: "- - - thee (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

006 58/1e: "- - - (prayer) - - -". What is the idea with prayer in Islam? If Allah has predestined everything long time ago, and according to his Plan which nobody and nothing can change, like the Quran states many places, also prayers can change not a thing.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are thought that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not, many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

007 58/1f: "- - - Allah hears and sees (all things)". See 2/233h above.

008 58/2a: "- - - divorce - - - by zihar - - -". An easy way for a man to get divorce - but cruel to the woman, as she did not become free, only he - which was used in the old Arabia. The man simply told his wife: "You are unlawful to me for cohabiting like my mother." Then he was divorced from her, but not she from him - she found herself in a limbo where her husband had no married duties towards her, whereas she was not free and could not go on with her life. Muhammad did not accept this form for divorce.

009 58/2b: "- - - truly - - -" See 2/2b above.

010 58/2c: "- - - truly Allah is the one who blots out (sins) - - -". This he only can do if he exists and if he is a god.

011 58/2d: "- - - (sin) - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. We also may mention that just this word often covers very different deeds, acts, words, and thoughts in the Quran and Islam, than in more normal religions (Islam is a religion of war - in spite of its loud slogans), not to mention how much its meaning in the Quran often differs from the basic of all human moral; "do against others like you want others do against you". Read the surahs from Medina and weep.

One small remark: As Yahweh's religion and f.x. moral code at many points are totally different from Allah's, you may qualify for Yahweh's Paradise even if Muslims condemn you to Hell - if both exist. One more of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

012 58/2e: "- - - Allah - - - forgives (again and again)". There only are 2 who can forgive; the victim and a god. Thus Allah only can forgive if he exists, and he only can forgive sins not against himself if he in addition is a god - none of which is proved. There only are undocumented claims from a man of doubtful ethics and moral, and a man benefitting much from making others believe in his new religion.

013 58/3a: “But those who have divorced their wives by zihar (a very simple ceremony - see 58/2a above*), then wish to go back on the words they uttered - (it is ordained that such a one) should free a slave before they touch each other - - -”. Some sins one could repair by freeing a slave. If one was not rich enough to do that, one often could fast (not eat or drink or have sex during the day) for some time - in this case two months. Two months fast = the real value of a human if he or she was a slave.

014 58/3b: "- - - Allah is well acquainted with (all) that ye (people*) do". See 2/233h above.

015 58/4a: (YA5337): “- - - he should feed sixty indigent ones - - -“. We quote from “The Meaning of the Holy Quran”: “There is (still after 1400 years*) a great deal of learned argument among the jurists as to the precise requirements of Cannon (Sharia*) Law under the term “feeding" the indigent.” Would a god use so unclear speech that even experts never are able to understand what he really means even about such presumably easy to explain problems like this?

016 58/4b: "- - - that ye (Muslims*) may show your faith in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*)". A strengthened version of Muhammad's mantras for gluing himself to his god and thus to his platform of power".

017 58/4c: "- - - His (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*)". See 63/5a below.

018 58/4d: "- - - His (Allah's*) Messenger (Muhammad*)". A historical anomaly.

019 58/4e: "Those are the limits (set by) Allah". As the Quran is not from any god, included the claimed Allah, Allah has not sent these limits, unless extra proofs are produced for this.

020 58/4f: "- - - those who reject (Him (Allah*)) - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims - negative at least in the ears of Muslims.

021 58/4g: "- - - a grievous Penalty". See 3/77b above.

##022 58/4h: In connection to among others this verse and its expression and its expression according to M. Azad "- - - if anyone has not (the wherewithal) - - -" you may find - or meet - a nice sample of Islamic honesty in debate - or in propaganda: (A58/7): "As regard the phrase 'he who does not find the wherewithal (lam yajid)', it may indicate either lack of financial means or the impossibility of finding anyone else who could be redeemed from factual of figurative bondage (- - -). According to many Islamic scholars of our times (e.g., Rashid Rida - - -), this relates, in first instance, to circumstances in which 'slavery will have been abolished in accordance with the aim of Islam' (Manar V, 337)". This simply is an al-Taqiyya - a lawful lie - and even a distasteful such one.

First note that the translation of the Arab text is changed a little compared to Yusuf Ali's one, and "by coincidence"(?) fits the "explanation" of the claim about Islam's intention of abolishing slavery better. The Quran in reality is clear on that it speaks about the economy of the person. 

There is nowhere in the Quran said that slavery is bad or for other reasons should be terminated (it is a good deed to free a slave, but slavery is nowhere in the Quran condemned).

There is nowhere in the Quran even indicated that slavery is bad or for other reasons should be terminated. Not one place.

There is nowhere in the Quran said or in other ways indicated that slavery is morally wrong.

There is nowhere in the Quran even indicated that it would be good moral or good ethics to abolish slavery. To set free a slave - at least a Muslim slave - is a good thing, but slavery as an institution is nowhere attacked or even questioned. 

The main Islamic idol - Muhammad - took and traded (sold or gave away for bribes) at least a few thousand slaves and expressed no qualms for doing this. Everything Muhammad said - or not said - or did, is the right thing to do for any Muslim, if it is not expressed prohibited (f.x. a Muslim can have only 4 wives as he is forbidden to have as many as Muhammad had (36 we know by name included concubines and 7 we do not know if he was formally married to or not)).

Muslim countries were forced backwards and kicking and protesting into abolishing slavery - Mauritania as late as in unbelievable 1982 AD (and made it a punishable crime as late as in 2007 AD)!! - by forces and ideas from the west. We at least have never seen a Muslim whisper from older times about abolishing slavery as an institution.

Abolishing slavery is a "new idea" and a "foreign idea" in Islam. Such ideas were not accepted by Islam through most of Islam's history - well, necessity after long time made some "new ideas" acceptable if they clearly were in accordance with ideas in the Quran or strong Hadiths. We have found nowhere in older Islamic literature where the "new idea" of abolishing slavery was even aired, not to mention received backing. 

The claim that Islam/Muhammad/the Quran promotes abolishing of slavery you ONLY meets from Muslim scholars born and raised in modern times - times when foreign, mainly Western, thinking, has made slavery extremely immoral. As it is not only permitted in Islam to lie, but advised "if necessary" to defend or promote the religion (and permitted in a number of other wide cases), this al-Taqiyya (lawful lie) is launched: 'Islam is the best also on this - Islam all the time intended to abolish slavery". (You even meet Muslims boasting that Islam forced Europe to end slavery, by stopping the trade from Africa. This simply is nonsense. For one thing European slaves mainly came from the Slavic areas in the East - it was not for nothing that the name "slave" was coined. And for another there hardly has been an area or a time in all history where trades between areas and countries and cultures have stopped for long times if good profit was possible to make. Slavery in Europe died out partly because in agriculture in chilly countries the work season is short and slaves had to be fed all the year, but mainly because it was opposed to Christian basic moral and ideas (this even though it is not clearly discredited or forbidden in the Bible).

There are in the world today some 24 million humans "living as slaves or under slave-like conditions" according to UN (the number is from 2005 if we remember correctly). A good percentage of these live in Islamic areas. We have seen little or nothing of negative reactions from Islam or Muslims to this fact. There may have been, but in case not enough to reach us, even though we have been looking for such reactions.

As abolishing of slavery is "a new idea" and on top of that "a foreign idea" both of which are despised by conservative Islam, and as Muhammad showed what was right and wrong for Islam in this question by taking and trading and keeping slaves (f.x. his concubines Marieh and Rayhana bint Amr), you can be pretty sure that if the world ever returns to medieval conditions, official slavery will reemerge in Islamic areas "lawful and good".

So much for this Islamic al-Taqiyya - lawful lie.

023 58/5a: "Those who resist Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims - negative at least in the ears of Muslims.

024 58/5b: "Those who resist Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) will be humbled to dust - - -". This only could come true if Allah exists, and in that case he had power to humble people all over the world in his name. Or Muhammad could rise to enough power to humble people in the name of his god, but then only in the area where he gained power. History has shown that people only were humbled - or killed - in the areas where Muhammad and his followers gained power or at least some power.

025 58/5c: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard mantra for gluing himself to his god and his power.

026 58/5d: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 63/5a above.

027 58/5e: "- - - His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

028 58/5f: "- - - We (Allah*) have already sent down Clear Signs". In case here is meant the Quran - the language in the Quran is not always quite clear: No god ever sent down a book with that many errors. Actually it is an insult and heresy to a god even to claim so.

029 58/5g: “- - - Clear Signs - - -.” See 2/39b and 2/99 above.

030 58/5h: "- - - Unbelievers - - -" One more of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims - negative at least for Muslims. You also find a similar one which is often used, though not by Muhammad Alai: "Infidels".

031 58/5i: "- - - a humiliating Penalty". See 3/77b above.

032 58/6a: "On that Day - - -". The Day of Doom.

033 58/6b: "On that Day Allah will raise them (the dead*) all up (again) - - -. Contradicted by the Bible, which claims this will be done by Yahweh, not by Allah. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

034 58/6c: "- - - the Truth - - -". See 2/2b, 13/1g and 40/75 above.

035 58/6d: "- - - Allah is Witness to all things". Why then does the Quran so often tell about his needing witnesses? And why 2/233h above?

036 58/7a: “- - - Allah doth know (all) that is in the heavens (plural and wrong) and on earth - - -”. Not if the Quran is a copy of a “mother book” (13/39b) he reveres in his Heaven - much is wrong . See 13/1g and 40/75 above.

037 58/7b: “- - - Allah doth know (all) that is in the heavens (plural and wrong) and on earth - - -”. See 2/233h above.

038 58/7c: “- - - heavens - - -“. Plural and wrong. See 2/22d.

039 58/7d: "- - - the truth - - -". See 13/1g above.

040 58/7e: "For Allah has full Knowledge of all things". But why then does he so often use witnesses in the Quran? With absolute power and total knowledge that does not make sense.

041 58/7f: "For Allah has full Knowledge of all things". So be a good and obedient Muslim. Also see 2/233h above.

042 58/7g: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.

043 58/8a: "- - - those who were forbidden secret counsels - - -". It is unclear who are meant here, except that it likely primarily aims at opponents of Muhammad.

044 58/8b: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See 63/5b below.

045 58/8c: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

046 58/8d: "- - - they (according to claims some Jews*) salute thee (Muhammad*) , not as Allah salutes thee - - -". It is told that some Jews when they met Muhammad, did not use the normal word "salaam", but instead the word "sam" somewhat unclearly pronounced so that it could be understood like "salaam". "Sam" means "death" or "destruction".

047 58/8e: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) say - - -, 'Why does not - - -'". See 58/1b above.

048 58/8f: "Why does not Allah punish us (skeptics*) for our words". One of the many requests for a proof for Allah and for Muhammad’s connection to a god. Muhammad never was able to prove anything at all concerning central parts of his religion.

049 58/8g: "Enough for them (skeptics*) is Hell - - -". See 3/77b above.

050 58/9a: "- - - ye who believe - - -". Muslims.

##051 58/9b: "- - - disobedience to the Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". This is one of the places in the Quran where Muhammad makes a slip and indirectly admits that - at least sometimes - it is Muhammad and not necessarily Allah you shall obey.

052 58/9c: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". See 63/5a above.

053 58/9d: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". A historical anomaly.

054 58/9e: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

055 58/9f: "- - - fear Allah - - -". There is reason for this if he exists and is something supernatural. Not if not.

056 58/9g: "- - - Allah, to Whom ye (Muslims*) shall be brought back (at the Day of Doom)". Often claimed, never proved. And impossible if Allah does not exist or is not a major god, none of which is proved.

057 58/9h: "- - - Allah, to Whom ye (Muslims*) shall be brought back (at the Day of Doom)". Contradicted by the Bible, which says that on that day everybody will be brought back to Yahweh, not to Allah. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

058 58/10a: "Secret counsels are only (inspired) by Satan - - -". Something to think about for terrorists and similar? - especially as one of the going theories for who made the Quran, just is Satan (and even more so as the book they live by, is not from any god - too much is wrong in it).

059 58/10b: "- - - Believers - - -". Muslims.

060 58/10c: "- - - but he (the Devil*) cannot harm them (people/Muslims*) in the least (= make them sin*), except as Allah permits - - -". But how then can Allah punish man for sins Allah has permitted - even via the Devil - (and according to other verses in the Quran even decided by predestination)??

061 58/10d: "- - - except as Allah permits - - -". The old fact: Allah can neither permit nor prohibit unless he exists and is something supernatural.

062 58/10e: "- - - but he (the Devil*) cannot harm them (people/Muslims*) in the least (= make them sin*), except as Allah permits - - -". Islam is rather harmful to Muslims - at least in this life - and even more so to Muslim women. This means either that Allah does not exist and thus do not decide anything about this, or he permits it.

###063 58/10f: "- - - in Allah let the Believers put their trust." Rather risky in such a serious question to believe blindly in a man of doubtful moral, believing in the use also of dishonesty, and with a lot to gain from your believing blindly in his tales. In all other aspects of life, that is the blueprint for the surest way to be deceived.

064 58/11a: "- - - ye who believe - - -". Muslims.

065 58/11b: (A58/18): “When ye are told to make room in the assemblies, (spread out and) make room - - -.” In throngs around Muhammad? – in the mosques? – in life? Muslims tend to believe it refers to alternative 2 – but it is only a guess. Clear speech?

066 58/11c: A sample of Islamic good deeds (and also see next comment just below): "And when you are told to rise up, rise up - - -". Muhammad Asad's translation in the Swedish 2002 edition: "And when you are told 'Rise up!' - then rise up (at once)". Muhammad Asad's comment (A58/20, translated from Swedish 2002 AD edition): "Many of the classical commentators, among them especially clearly Tabari - - - means that the underlying meaning here is: "If you are told: 'Raise up and do good', follow then this incitement". - According to Ibn 'Abbas and Al-Hasan al-Basri, quoted by Ibn Kathir, the underlying meaning in this connection is "- - - prepare for going to war".

The Good Deed is going to war to kill and rob and rape and suppress.

The religion of peace(!!)

###067 58/11d: And a sample of honesty in Islamic religious debate: The same text and comment as in 58/11c just above, but from the adjusted and more "correct" English 2008 edition:

Muhammad Asad's translation according to this edition (and NB: According to our knowledge he died long before 2008 AD): "And whenever you are told, 'Rise up (for a good deed)', do raise up - - -". And his claimed comment: (A58/20): "The interpretation implied in the words 'for a good deed' interpolated by me (Asad !!*) is analogous to that offered by most classical commentators, and most explicitly by Tabari (see 58/11c just above*); in the words of Qatadah (ibid.), "Whenever you are called to do a good deed, respond to this call".

Honesty and reliability in Islamic religious literature and debate.

How much is really honesty and reliability in Islamic religious literature and debate - not to say propaganda?

Do you understand why we say that it is heavy work to study Islamic literature, because every piece of "information" have to be checked to find out if it is true or not?

068 58/11e: "- - - Knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.

069 58/11f: "And Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do." See f.x. 2/233h, 58/7c and 58/7d above.

070 58/12a: "- - - ye who believe - - -". Muslims.

071 58/12b: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". See 63/5a above.

072 58/12c: "- - - the Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". A historical anomaly.

073 58/12d: "- - - spend something in charity - - -". One of the positive sides with Islam, is its weight laying on charity. But the moral value had been higher if the main thing had been to help someone(s) in distress, not primarily to gain merit in Heaven. And also the fact that you gain as much merit from helping your wife or child, as from helping a stranger, influences your priorities.

074 58/12e: "- - - Allah is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive no-one unless he exists and is a god.

075 58/12f: "- - - Allah is - - - Most Merciful". See f.x. 1/1a above and judge if he is merciful. When there is divergence between nice words - even many times repeated nice words - and reality, we always believe in the reality.

#076 58/13a: "- - - charity - - -". See 58/12d above or 58/13c below.

077 58/13b: "- - - regular prayers - - -". This demand for regular prayers - 5 times a day - was so essential for Allah (he even wanted more often according to Hadiths) that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. For Yahweh such formalism was so totally without any interest, that no similar rule - not even the idea - at all is mentioned in the entire Bible: Pray when there is a reason or a need or a wish. One of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 23/9b above.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are thought that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not, many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

078 58/13c: "- - - practice regular charity - - -". One of the (too few) positive sides with the Quran, is its insistence on charity. This positive moral aspect is marred, though, by 2 facts: The main thing with charity is not to help, but to gain points in Heaven. And you get just as many points for helping your nearest family, as for helping strangers - which often put strangers far down on the priority list. F. x. after big catastrophes there are more gifts to the unlucky ones from each person in the rich West than from the ones in the superrich Arab oil countries - this even when the victims are Muslims and there is extra pressure on Islamic nations to send help.

079 58/13d: "- - - obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*)". A strengthened version of Muhammad's standard mantra for attaching himself to his source of power; his religion and his god.

080 58/13e: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". See 63/5a above.

081 58/13f: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". A historical anomaly.

082 58/13g: "And Allah is well acquainted with all that ye do." See f.x. 2/233h, 58/7c and 58/7d above.

083 58/14a: “Turnest thou (Muhammad/good Muslim*) not thy attention to those who turn (in friendship) to such who have the Wrath of Allah upon them (non-Muslims*)?” That is something you should not do. A good verse for a mullah, a fanatic, an enemy of yours seeking to hurt you, for anybody wishing to launch extrication against anyone - a strong social threat: Do not mingle too much with the bad non-Muslims. A very likely reason - among others - why Muslims in many cultures do not fit in.

084 58/14b: “Turnest thou (Muhammad/good Muslim*) not thy attention to those who turn (in friendship) to such who have the Wrath of Allah upon them (non-Muslims*)?” Some difference between this and Jesus who went with the tax collectors and others of low status, because they needed it most - or stories like "the lost coin" (Luke 15/8-10), "the lost sheep" (Matt. 18/12-14), "the lost son" (Luke 15/11-31), "the 11. hour" (Matt. 20/8-13). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Not a chance. Jesus and Muhammad in even the same kind or religion? Simply and plainly no - f.x. the moral codes are too different at too many points.

085 58/14c: "- - - such as have the Wrath of Allah upon them - - -". One of Muhammad’s many negative - often very negative and inducing strong negative feelings from Muslims - names for non-Muslims. Negative names at least in the ears of Muslims.

086 58/14d: "- - - the Wrath of Allah - - -". This does not exist unless Allah exists. And even if he should happen to exist, his wrath does not matter very much unless he is a major god. There never was a clear indication for that he even exists, not to mention for that he is a major god.

#087 58/14f: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) swear to falsehood knowingly". This claim is pretty ironic. In most religions false oaths are sins - it happens, but are sins. In Islam it is permitted and even advised if a broken oath will give a better result - but Muhammad scolds others for doing the same. The sooty kettle calling slightly dirty snow black?

088 58/14g: "- - - falsehood - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

089 58/15a: "Allah has prepared for them (non-Muslims*) a severe Penalty - - -". This only is possible if Allah exists and is a god of some power - none of which is ever proved.

090 58/15b: "- - - a severe Penalty - - -". See 3/77b above.

091 58/15c: "- - - evil indeed are their (non-Muslims*) deeds". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code and partly as immoral and unethical ethical code - compare with the gold standard: "Do onto others what you want others do onto you" and weep - or shiver in disgust.

092 58/15d: "- - - indeed - - -". See 2/2b above.

093 58/16a: "They (non-Muslims*) have made their oaths a screen - - -". What sometimes happened when a person did not like to do this or that - or to do this and that - was that he made an oath on that he would do - or not do - this and this. Then he had the good excuse that he could not break his oath - and live a nice life doing or not doing those things.

094 58/16b: "They (non-Muslims*) have made their oaths a screen - - -". But is this worse than when Muhammad in the Quran advices his followers - and practices himself (f.x. in the episode with the riding camels) - to break ones oaths, if this gives a more satisfying result? In reality as ironic as 58/14d above.

095 58/16c: "- - - the Path of Allah - - -". The road to Allah and his Paradise. The road may exist if Allah exists and is a god.

096 58/16d: "- - - a humiliating Penalty.

097 58/17a: "Of no profit whatever to them (non-Muslims*), against Allah, will be their riches nor their sons - - -". Good pep-talk for Muhammad's followers.

097 58/17b: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) will be Companions of the Fire - - -". Possible - if Allah exists, if he is a major god, if the non-Muslim do not believe in another, really existing god (f. x. Yahweh whom both the Bible and the Quran claims exists, though the Quran wrongly mixes him with Allah) - - - and if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth.

099 58/17c: "- - - Companions of the Fire - - -". Bad people bound for Hell.

100 58/17d: "- - - the Fire - - -". Hell.

101 58/17e: "- - - to dwell therein (Hell*) (for aye)!" F. x. 6/128c, 11/107b, 43/74c, 51/13c, and 78/23 give indications for that may be Hell is not quite forever (and 11/108b for that also the Quran's paradise may not be quite for ever).

102 58/18a: "One day - - -". The Day of Doom.

103 58/18b: "One Day will Allah raise them all (people*) up (for Judgment) - - -". Often claimed, never proved. Possible only if Allah exists, is a major god - - - and if the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about this.

104 58/18c: "One Day will Allah raise them all (people*) up (for Judgment) - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says Yahweh will do this, not Allah. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

105 58/18d: "- - - indeed - - -". See 2/2b above.

106 58/18e: "They (non-Muslims*) are but liars". One more of Muhammad’s negative - often strongly negative - names for non-Muslims: Pure liars ("they are but liars").

107 58/18f: "They (non-Muslims*) are but liars". This is one of the ironic sentences in the Quran, as the only of the big religion which accepts lies in many cases and advices it in some cases, is Islam - f. x. al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), betrayal (following the shining idol Muhammad's example) and broken words/promises/oaths "if that gives a better result" (though in some cases you should pay expiation afterwards).

108 58/19a: A good pep-talk for Muhammad's followers.

109 58/19b: "Satan has got the better of them (non-Muslims*) - - -". Bad people - stay away from them.

110 58/19c: "Satan has got the better of them (non-Muslims*) - - -". This was a much more tempting "explanation" for Muhammad to use, than the plain truth: That the real reason why many did not want to join him, was that they saw much was wrong in his teaching.

111 58/19d: "- - - he (Satan*) has made them (non-Muslims*) loose the remembrance of Allah". This in case means Satan has more influence than Allah.

This sentence may also be referring to Muhammad's claim that once upon a time everyone were Muslims, but false teachings and falsified holy books lead all people astray. The claim is proved wrong, as neither science nor Islam has found one single unmistakable trace of Muslims older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his teaching.

##112 58/19e: "They (non-Muslims*) are the Party of Satan". This is one of the sentences you should remember if/when you meet Muslims claiming that Islam or Muhammad is slandered or worse - it is difficult for them to get sympathy from a judge when they are saying worse things themselves. And few opposers of Islam use as strong words as here. Hate and distaste mongering.

113 58/19f: "They (non-Muslims*) are the Party of Satan". One of the many of Muhammad's negative - here strongly negative - names for non-Muslims. This is one of the names you meet also today - f.x. "USA is the Big Satan.

114 58/19g: "Truly - - -". See 2/2b above.

115 58/19h: "Truly, it is the Party of the Satan that will perish!" A soothing and efficient pep-talk, at least if your followers want to believe you, which often is the case among people in religious fervor.

116 58/20a: "Those who resists Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) will be among those most humiliated". So whatever you do, do not even think about resisting Muhammad! Allah is dream god for any dictator - is he really real? - or is he made to measure for Muhammad? The fact that the Quran is too full of mistaken facts, etc. to be from a god, and also that the god so often was used as a factor in his private life or to intervene for him in the community, may make one think.

117 58/20b: "Those who resists Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims.

118 58/20c: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". Muhammad's standard mantra for imprinting on his followers his position of power. A claim does not become truer by being repeated often, but many repetitions may make people start believing this claim anyhow. Remember Goebbels: "If a lie is repeated often enough, people start believing it".

119 58/20d: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". See 63/5a above.

120 58/20e: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". A historical anomaly.

121 58/21a: "It is I (Allah*) and My Messenger (Muhammad*) who must prevail". This decree has no value if not Allah exists and in addition is a major god. But all the same this may become true, as war cultures often wins over peaceful cultures - in spite of all propaganda about "the religion of peace" (an al-Taqiyya (a lawful lie)) Islam is a religion of war. If you want to protest on this fact, read first the some 22-24 surahs from Medina - the ones which really counts in many cases according to Islam's rules for abrogation (making verses invalid).

122 58/21b: "- - - I (Allah*) and My Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". A straightened version of 58/20b above.

123 58/21c: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". Sele 63/5a above.

124 58/21d: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". A historical anomaly.

125 58/21e: "- - - Allah is One full of strength - - -". He in case never clearly has shown it.

126 58/21f: "- - - Allah is One full of strength, able to enforce His Will". But not in one single case since 610 AD - 1400 real years and some 1442 of the artificial Muslims years (in 2010 AD) - has Allah clearly been able to enforce his will, except by means of the sword of human followers or other means of force or pressure backed by such swords, included terrorism - and there it always was brutality, not proved divine engagement which did the deed - - - or misdeed.

127 58/22a: “Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and his Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or kindred.” Really bad people it should not be loved. This sentence deserves no comment, but it is an all too common one in sects where the leaders want full control over their followers.

128 58/22b: In normal language: You will find no Muslim loving a non-Muslim even if he is a father, a son, a brother, or another close relative. A most sad verse, a most disturbing verse, a most revealing verse - - - and a world away from the message of Jesus, who asks you to love even your enemies (Matt. 5/44). One of the 200% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah were not the same god - not to mention how different Jesus was from Muhammad. To be quipping: Nearly the only likeness between them was that Jesus was a bachelor, whereas Muhammad had a harem.

129 58/22c: "- - - people who believe in Allah - - -". Muslims - at least if they also believe in Muhammad.

130 58/22d: "- - - the Last Day - - -". The Day of Doom.

131 58/22e: "- - - those who resist Allah and his Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims.

132 58/22f: "- - - Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -". See f. x. 58/20c.

133 58/22g: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". See 63/5a above.

134 58/22h: "- - - Messenger (Muhammad*)- - -". A historical anomaly.

135 58/22i:

136 58/22j: "- - - (Allah has*) strengthened them (Muslims*) with a spirit from Himself". This only may - may - be true if Allah exists and is a god. Another thing is that strong believers often feel strengthened by their religion, but this goes for believers in any religion.

137 58/22k: "- - - Gardens beneath which Rivers flow - - -". The Quran's and Islam's Paradise - see 10/9f above. And also the most frequently used Arabisms in the Quran.

138 58/22l: "- - - to dwell therein (in Paradise*) (for ever)". Verse 11/108c may indicate that perhaps Paradise is not quite forever. Muslims have problems with explaining this one, but often claim that it just means that the inhabitants will be transferred to an even better Paradise, but this is not said in the Quran.

139 58/22m: "Truly - - -". See f.x. 2/2b or57/22g above.

140 58/22n: "- - - they (Muslims - will be pleased*) with Him (Allah _ in Paradise*)". If he exists, if he is a god, and if the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth about him and about the next life.

141 58/22o: "Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity". This will partly depend on the word "Truly" (see 2/2b or 57/22g above), but overwhelmingly on if the Quran is from a god or not.

Surah 58: Sub-total 141 + 18.343 = 18.484 comments.

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