1000+ Comments on the Quran: Surah 30 -- Ar-Rum (The Romans)

Revelation: Medina 615 - 616 AD

(See general comments on Surahs here: Introduction)


 

The quotes and comments

001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captured - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 30/1: "Alif Lam Mim". See f.x. 29/1 above.

003 30/2a: "The Roman Empire - - -". Here meant the East Roman Empire, which together with the Persians were the two local big powers. There came to a war between those two, and in the start the Roman Empire lost a number of battles, but they managed to turn the tide, and won the war in 628 AD.

004 30/2b: "The Roman Empire - - -". A historical anomaly.

*005 30/2-4: “The (East*) Roman Empire (Bezants/Constantinople*) has been defeated (by Persia*) in a land close by (Damascus 613 AD, Jerusalem 614 AD, Egypt 615-616 AD – may be a battle in Syria in 615 AD – just pick your choice (the surah is from 615 or 616 AD)); but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs will soon be victorious – Within a few (“bid” - an Arab word meaning between 3 and 9) years.” Bezants defeated Persia in 628 AD after they first had had a number of defeats at the start of the war - 12 or 13 years after this verse.

1. The Arab word “bid” means “a few” with the additional meaning “means a number of no less than 3, no more than 9” according to comment 2 to this surah in “The Message of the Quran” (A20/2). It took at least 12 years.

This was a pep-talk to his followers. No-one – not even Muhammad himself – said that it was a prophesy - - - except that many Muslims say so afterwards.

It is very clear from the Quran that Muhammad did not have the gift of being able to make prophesies (a kind of miracles), and it is as clear that he never even pretended to or claimed to have that gift. This was just one of the (few) cases where a little of all that he said through his life happened to come partly true (actually: So much that he said and spoke it is a miracle that not more happened to come true – and more true than in this case. And NB: This is the only heavy claim Islam has about him being able to make prophesies (though there are other claims). The sheer laws of probability should have made him right a lot more often, but then he had little of creative fantasy. Once - nearly - in a lifetime = a prophet? As much as he talked and said, he from pure statistical probability should have had a number - not to say quite a number - of "hits", but he had few."

This is one of Muslims' strongeset - if not the strongest - claims for that Muhammad made foretellings. Not a very convincing case (but then Islam as such does not claim Muhammad was able of foretellings: "The only miracle of Muhammad, was the Quran", is a sentence you often meet - foretelling is a kind of miracle; "to see the unseen".)

006 30/3a: "In a land close by - - -". One does not know neither where nor when - like so often the Quran is unclear. The reasonable alternatives are mentioned in 30/2-4 just above.

007 30/3b: "- - - but they (the East Romans*) will - - -". A historical anomaly.

008 30/4a: "Within 3 to 9 years ("bid" an Arab word meaning 3 to 9 years - they will be victorious) - - -". We have never seen Muslims translate the word "bid" correctly. They translate it "soon" or similar - if not the claim that this was a correct foretelling disappears. (Another way Muslims use to be able to claim this was a correct foretelling, is to say Muhammad did not mean the final victory, but the victory of one or another battle. If you cherry-pick facts and meanings, often it is possible to get what answers you want.)

009 30/4b: "With Allah is the decision, in the Past and in the Future - - -". Allah decides everything - predestination. (As for the number of years in this case, see 30/2-4 just above).

010 30/4c: "With Allah is the decision, in the Past and in the Future - - -". Often claimed, never proved - and may be f.x. Yahweh wants a word - if he exists (if the old books tell the truth, there are some indications for his existence - there are none for Allah's (only claims).

011 30/4d: "- - - on that Day, (when the Romans - Christians - win*) shall the Believers (Muslims*) rejoice - - -". According to Muhammad the Christians were the ones who were closest to Muslims. Therefore it was better they won the war than the mainly pagan Persians. (The Romans - really the East Roman Empire - won the war in 628 AD). We here may add that it is not unlikely Muhammad was right about possible connections between Christians and Muslims - there is little problem living alongside "normal" Muslims. Where we personally think the problems are, are in the honestly sick parts of the Quran's moral code, etc., the murderous mentality imprinted on them from the religion - read the Quran, and especially the surahs from Medina, and you see that "Islam, the religion of peace" is not even s joke. Islam is a war religion. For most Muslims this war ideology does not penetrate or replace the normal wish for a peaceful life. But for some it makes the use of power and weapons easier acceptable. This even more so as even in modern times the duty of fighting is impressed as a holy duty. The ones really wanting fighting and war and terrorism are not many. But the central point is that it does not take many to kill just you - and nobody knows in time who will become a terrorist or something - - - perhaps your neighbor. These two things - the war mentality and the immoral parts of their moral code, etc., and the fact that you can never know whom of them will turn terrorists, or at least help the terrorists - are at the bottom of the problem - helped by a superiority complex transferred from the Quran: Muslims are better than others (in Pakistan they some time ago debated if non-Muslims had half the value of Muslims or less).

But such problems aside, most Muslims are just as human as any non-Muslim. A minimum of care may be ok until you know who are ok, but do not judge just from the war and blood and dishonesty in religion.

012 30/5a: "With the help of Allah". But there never was a proved case of Allah helping anybody at all.

013 30/5b: "He (Allah*) helps whom he wills - - -" - and consequently not whom he not wills. No comment necessary. Except f.x. that your destination - Hell or Paradise - is decided for you before you are born, predestined by Allah, and if he has destined you for Hell, you get no help (this according to Hadiths).

014 30/5c: "- - - He (Allah*) is exalted in Might - - -". He in case never has proved his might.

015 30/5d: "- - - He (Allah*) is Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the black parts of the Islamic moral code and the most unjust laws in sharia and see if you agree.

016 30/6a: "(It is) the promise of Allah". There never was a proved case of Allah promising anybody anything. Lots of claims, but never a proved case. The best proof for this? Islam's silence about such a case.

017 30/6b: "Never does Allah depart from his promise - - -". If he exists that may be true - but are his promises in case correctly referred in the Quran - a book where so much is wrong? We may also remark that there in all history has not been documented one single sure case of Allah keeping a promise.

018 30/6c: "- - - most men understand not". Perhaps that is just what they do - understand that a book full of errors and worse, is not from a god.

019 30/7a: "They (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) know - - -". A historical anomaly.

020 30/7b: "They (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) know but the outer (things) in the life in this world - - -". One of Muhammad's many ways of explaining away why many did not believe in his new religion.

021 30/7c: "- - - the End of things - - -". The Day of Doom.

022 30/8a: "Do they (non-Muslims opposing Muhammad*) not reflect - - -". A historical anomaly.

023 30/8b: "Do they (non-Muslims opposing Muhammad*) not reflect (on Islam*) in their own mind?" See 30/6c just above.

024 30/8c: "- - - for a term appointed - - -". Predestination - which many Muslims claims do not really exist or is not really real predestination, because if Allah predestines the life of humans, it is most unjust and immoral to punish man for what sins he makes. But there is no doubt about full predestination in the Quran - it is stressed many times, and more in the Medina than in the Mecca period - in Medina Muhammad needed warriors not too reluctant to fight and to die.

###025 30/8d: "- - - for a term appointed, did Allah create the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth, and all between them - - -". Natural phenomena where Muhammad like so often without any proofs or debate claims the honor of creation for his god. One may say he only was telling about it. But when all there is is tales, nothing - nothing - is proved in spite of many requests, and in spite of even Muhammad telling proofs had been simple for Allah "if he wished", and when a lot even is clearly wrong, an "explanation" like "he only is telling about things", is not acceptable any more. Somewhere a teller of tales crosses the line between telling about things and bluffing. Muhammad clearly is bluffing.

026 30/8e: “- - - heavens - - -“. Plural and wrong. See 2/22d.

027 30/8f: "- - - truly - - -". See 2/2b above.

028 30/8g: "- - - yet are there many among men (opponents of Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

029 30/8h: "- - - many among (non-Muslim*) men who deny the meeting with their (peoples'*) Lord (Allah*) (at the Resurrection) - - -". For the very good reason that there were lots of reasons for not believing in the Quran and thus in Muhammad and Allah.

030 30/8i: "- - - (at the Resurrection) - - -". At the Day of Doom.

031 30/9a: "Do they not travel throughout the earth, and see what was the End of those before them?" This is a theme which is repeated many times in the Quran. In and around Arabia there were ruins and deserted buildings and villagers and some towns - and there were tales about former people now gone. Muhammad claimed they all were result if Allah's punishments for sins. Science disagrees, as there are many other possible explanations. Islam will have to prove their never documented claims if they want to make science believe what they say. It seems like Muhammad is bluffing.

032 30/9b: (A30/7): “- - - they (earlier pagans*) tilled the soil and populated it in greater number than these (the peoples at the time of Muhammad*) have done - - -.” But the Arab word “akthar” which here has been translated to “greater (numbers)” in reality only means “more”, and the phrase also can be translated like this according to Islam: “Greater were they (the pagans of older times*) in power than they (the people contemporaries to Muhammad*) are, and they left a stronger impact on the earth, and built it up even better - - -.” In the first case they were more people (and thus more powerful), in the other case they richer and because of that more powerful. Like so often before: Pick your choice because the very easy to understand(?) Arab scripture permits both meanings. And these varieties also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has/have more than one meaning. Allah (?) really uses a clear language.

033 30/9c: "- - - there came to them (former tribes*) their messengers - - -". The Quran claims that every people and culture and nation through all times have got prophets teaching Islam - Hadiths mentions the number 124ooo, and even that may just be a symbolic small number. Neither science nor Islam has ever found any kind of traces from any of them before 610 AD (the year Muhammad started his mission).

034 30/9d: “- - - Clear (Signs) - - -“. Clear signs about Allah and Islam do not exist in the Quran - or any other place. One may wonder why Muhammad used invalid claims and “signs” and even “proofs” – invalid proofs and arguments normally are the hallmarks of cheats, deceivers, and swindlers. It also indicates, shows, and proves lack of real facts and proofs. “Clear Signs” in “Quran-speak” = clear proof. Clear proofs for Allah, or for the Quran being made by a god, or for Muhammad’s connection to a god, but such proofs simply do not exist. Islam is aware of it and Muslim scholars are aware of it – you find it mentioned and tried explained away in their books, but learned books not much read by the private Muslim. And when the scholars and imams and others do not tell them, the lay Muslim often honestly believes everything really is sure and safe – they simply are cheated by the withholding of inconvenient facts and by the glorification of all the invalid “signs” and “clear signs” and even “proofs” in the Quran, not to mention by the ones in Hadiths and by the “miracles” in the Hadiths – which hardly a single imam clearly tells his flock are absolutely proven by the Quran to be untrue legends (Islam indirectly admits this fact by their statement that “the only miracle connected to Muhammad is the Quran” – which also indirectly admits that Muhammad was not a prophet (a real prophesy is a kind of a miracle – to see what has not happened yet – and Muhammad did not even claim he had that gift).

For more claims similar to 65/11 and 30/9, see f. ex.: 2/118 – 2/159 – 2/185 – 2/187 – 2/213 – 2/219 – 2/221 – 2/242 – 2/266 – 3/86 – 3/105 – 3/183 – 3/184 – 6/57- 157 – 7/73 – 7/85 – 7/101 – 8/42 – 9/70 – 10/15 – 11/17 - 11/28 -11/53 – 11/63 – 11/88 – 14/9 – 19/73 – 20/133 – 22/16 – 22/72 – 24/1 – 24/58 – 24/59 – 24/61 – 30/47 – 32/25 – 34/43 – 40/22 - 40/28 - 40/50 – 40/66 – 40/83 46/7 – 45/17 – 45/25 – 57/25 – 58/5 – 64/6. Also see 2/39a – 30/10 – 65/11 + 2/299a - 2/299b .

035 30/9e: “- - - Clear (Signs) (which they (non-Muslims) rejected, to their own destruction) - - -“. See 30/9a above.

036 30/10a: "In the long run evil in the extreme will be the End of those who do evil - - -". A lot of what the Islamic moral code permits or even advices are evil, even though Muslims are unable to see it because they are imprinted from infancy that it is good and right and even laudable. The only really acceptable "constitution" to build moral rules and codes on is: "Do against others like you want others do against you". Many of the Islamic moral/immoral rules and even a number of sharia laws conflicts - sometimes brutally - with such a constitution. Which means Muslims often do evil - and obviously things like stealing/robbing, suppression, raping, enslaving, lying, murdering, etc. are bad thing - it is obvious to see when you only think it over ever so little. It should be even more obvious when done in the name of a presumably good and benevolent god. And far more distasteful and repulsive.

But many (most?) Muslims are unable to see the horror and sins and injustice they are performing partly because they are imprinted that this is "lawful and good" and just and laudable in the eyes of Allah, partly because their great idol - Muhammad - in reality on many points had an awful ideology and immoral, and partly because Allah speaks nice words but demands horror and acts horribly and immoral in many ways - the typical war god serving warlords well - and like even children most Muslims learn more from what is demanded and done than from nice words. But they also believe the nice words are true in spite of what deeds, demands, introduced rules, etc. tell is the reality. Unbelievable for people trained in critical thinking, but true.

The conclusion to this is the fact that much of what the Quran wants or permits Muslims to do, very obviously is evil. What will then their end really be if there is a second life? - not to mention what will it be if Allah is a made up god - a real possibility as the Quran with all its mistakes, etc, obviously is not from a god - but there all the same is a god and a paradise and a hell? With their partly sick moral codes they have to hope that this god is not a good and benevolent one.

037 30/10b: "- - - evil in the extreme - - -". Hell.

038 30/10c: "- - - those who do evil - - -". One of Muhammad's many very negative names for non-Muslims.

039 30/10d: "- - - do evil - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

040 30/10e: "- - - reject the Signs of Allah - - -". Do you reject signs of Allah when they just are claimed signs of Allah? - and when on top of all there is every reason to believe Allah does not exist?

041 30/10f: “- - - Signs of Allah - - -“. No omniscient and omnipotent god had used strongly suspect “signs”, etc. to prove himself, not to mention added his name for strengthening the claim. See also 2/39 just above. Similar claims in 3/41 - 7/146 – 7/176x2 – 7/177 – 9/65 – 10/71 – 10/95 – 14/5 – 22/37 – 23/105 - 26/15 – 27/52 – 27/81 – 27/82 – 27/83 – 27/84 – 28/35 – 28/36 – 28/45 – 28/59 – 29/49 – 30/21 - 31/31 – 31/32 – 40/81 – 54/42 – 57/19 – 64/10 – 74/16. Also see 2/39 just above and 65/11 – 30/9 - 2/99a - 2/99b below.

This kind of a man is the only source Islam is built on.

Can this be the Right Religion?

042 30/10g: "- - - ridicule". It may be impolite to ridicule something. But is it wrong if there are good reasons for it?

043 30/11a: "It is Allah Who begins (the process of) creation". One of the Quran's many never proved claims. See 11/7a and 21/56c above.

044 30/11b: "It is Allah Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it (resurrection*) - - -". One more of the Quran's many never proved claims. See 7/158i above.

045 30/11c: "It is Allah Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it (resurrection*) - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells - and if the old books tell the truth, proves - that it is Yahweh who does this, not Allah. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

046 30/11d: "- - - then shall ye (people*) be brought back to Him (Allah - for a second life*)". Often claimed, never proved. And a claim any priest in any religion can make on behalf of his religion as long as he evades all requests for proofs.

047 30/12a: "On the Day that the Hour will be established - - -". The Day of Doom.

048 30/12b: "- - - the guilty - - -". "Quran-speak" for non-Muslims in some cases - a psychologically negatively loaded word.

049 30/12c: "- - - guilt - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. Thus things which may be laudable in normal religions - f.x. not to kill - at times may be reasons for guilt in Islam, and the other way around.

050 30/12d: "- - - struck dumb with despair." see 3/77b above.

051 30/13a: "No intercessor will they (non-Muslims*) have among their "Partners" (other gods than Allah*) - - -". But the recurring and recurring question which the Quran never answers with anything but invalid claims and as invalid statements is: Is Allah any better? There never was anything proved, only not documented words.

052 30/13b: "No intercessor will they (non-Muslims*) have among their "Partners". We are back to the interesting question: What if the partner they have had instead of Allah (never proved exists) is Yahweh (who may be exists if the old books tell the truth about the proofs for his existence and power)?

053 30/14: "On the Day that the Hour will be established - - -". The Day of Doom.

054 30/15a: "- - - those who have believed - - -". Muslims.

055 30/15b: "- - - those who have believed and worked righteous deeds - - -". Who are they in reality? - the ones who have lived according to the Quran's demand - not words, but demands - or the ones who have lived according to the one and basic really good rule: "Do unto others what you want others do unto you"? - there are oceans and horrors between those two moral codes.

056 30/15c: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that when words like this are used in the Quran, it is meant in accordance with the books own partly immoral moral code.

057 30/15d: "(In Paradise good Muslims*) shall be happy in a Mead of Delight". This "Mead of Delight" is described for ca. 1/3 of the population; the adult men. For women and children little is told. But adult men will experience pleasant weather and shade, peace, nothing to do and no work, high luxury and plenty of sex. This might be the ultimate dream for poor and primitive desert warriors, but is this really the best an omniscient and omnipotent god can do? Such a life f. x. must be extremely boring in the long run. And the contrast to Yahweh's paradise is striking: "(You*) will be like the angels in heaven". (f. x. Matt.22/30). Yahweh and Allah the same god? Only the difference in their paradises proves beyond any reasonable and unreasonable doubt that this is not the case. And then there are all the other differences proving the same in addition.

PS: Also women and children will end in Paradise if they qualify, but their existence there is little described.

058 30/15e: "(In Paradise good Muslims*) shall be happy in a Mead of Delight". Only true if there is the god Allah, and his Paradise is correctly described in the Quran.

059 30/16a: "- - - those who have rejected faith - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims.

060 30/16b: "- - - faith - - -". Islam.

061 30/16c: "- - - falsely denied Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". It is not possible to deny falsely when no such real signs/proofs exist. A lot is claimed - a cheap technique - but nothing is proved.

062 30/16d: "- - - falsely denied Our (Allah's*) Signs and the meeting of the Hereafter - - -". Like everything else in the Quran this just are undocumented claims any priest - yes, any believer - can do on behalf of his religion free of charge as long as he can evade all questions for proofs. And Muhammad never proved anything about Allah or about his own connection to a god. Never one single thing.

063 30/16e: "- - - falsely - - -". See 2/2b above.

064 30/16f: “- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

065 30/16g: "- - - the meeting of the Hereafter - - -". The Day of Doom.

066 30/16h: "- - - such (non-Muslims*) shall be brought forth to Punishment". See 3/77b above.

067 30/16i: "- - - Punishment". Here: Hell.

068 30/17a: "So (give) glory to Allah - - -". But does he deserve it? (- if he exists?) See 1/1a above.

069 30/17b: "So (give) glory to Allah, when ye (Muslims*) reach eventide and when ye raise in the morning". We are back to the regular prayers of Islam. This demand for regular prayers - 5 times a day - was so essential for Allah (he even wanted more often according to Hadiths) that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. For Yahweh such formalism was so totally without any interest, that no similar rule - not even the idea - at all is mentioned in the entire Bible: Pray when there is a reason or a need or a wish. One of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 23/9b above.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are thought that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not, many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

070 30/18a: "To Him (Allah*) be praise - - -". But does he deserve it? (- if he exists?) See 1/1a above.

071 30/18b: "To Him (Allah*) be praise - - - in the late afternoon and when the day begins to decline”. We once more are back to the regular prayers of Islam. This demand for regular prayers - 5 times a day - was so essential for Allah (he even wanted more often according to Hadiths) that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. For Yahweh such formalism was so totally without any interest, that no similar rule - not even the idea - at all is mentioned in the entire Bible: Pray when there is a reason or a need or a wish. One of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 23/9b above.

072 30/18c: “- - - heavens - - -“. Plural and wrong. See 2/22d.

073 30/19a: "It is He (Allah*) who brings out the living - - -." Glorifying Allah for a natural phenomenon never proved to be his making - like so often in the Quran. Also see 11/7a and 21/56c above.

074 30/19b: "- - - (Allah*) gives life to the earth after it is dead - - -". See 30/19a just above.

075 30/19c: "- - - and thus shall ye (people*) be brought out (from the dead)". Often claimed, never proved - and as so often just a claim any priest in any religion can make on behalf of his religion. If the old books tell the truth, Yahweh at least proved things - Allah (Muhammad?) only had claims and as invalid words. Also see 7/158i above.

#076 30/20a: “Among His (Allah’s*) Signs is this, that He created you from dust - - -”. Wrong. Man was not created from dust - really he was not created at all according to science. See 6/2b above. There is an extra irony in the fact that the Quran uses a piece of wrong information to “prove” Allah. Contradiction of reality - and of the Quran, as the book also tells Adam was created many different ways. Also: Muhammad claims most things for the glory of his god - but he never has anything but words and claims. And see 21/56c above.

077 30/20b: “- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah as long as it is not proved it really was Allah who did it. See 2/39b above.

#078 30/20c: “Among His (Allah’s*) Signs is this, that He (Allah*) created for you mates - - -". Some sign. See 30/20a above.

079 30/21a: "- - - He (Allah*) created for you mates - - -". See 6/2b, 21/56c, and 30/19a above.

080 30/21b: “- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

081 30/21c: "- - - verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

082 30/21d: “- - - Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

083 30/21e: "- - - for those who reflect". Again Muhammad's smart and psychologically correct use of hidden flattering. Here is indicated: This is intelligent stuff for the intelligent - it must be true. And: If I understand or pretend I understand this, I may be reckoned among the wise ones. And: If I oppose or tell I do not understand, others may think I am not very sharp. Muhammad knew how to handle people - professional salesmen like he used to be, often do. Also see 13/3j above.

084 30/22a: “And among His (Allah’s) Signs is the creation of the heavens (plural and wrong') - - -“. Very clearly a wrong proof – a wrong “sign” – as there are no 7 heavens. Irony? At least a contradiction of reality. See 21/56c above.

085 30/22b: “And among His (Allah’s) Signs is the creation of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". A totally invalid argument as long as it is not showed that it really is Allah who created it. See 2/39b and 21/56c.

086 30/22c: "- - - creation - - -". We must admit we find Muhammad's claims for that Allah is the creator interesting, as Allah never was able to prove such power, and all the same use the claim about such power as a "proof" for Allah. And also because in contrast to Allah, Yahweh proved his power - - - if the old books tell the truth.

087 30/22d: “- - - heavens - - -“. Plural and wrong. See 2/22d above.

088 30/22e: "- - - the variation in your languages and your colors - - -". See 11/7a and 30/19a above.

089 30/22f: "- - - verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

090 30/22g: “- - - Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

091 30/22h: "- - - for those who know". See 13/3j and 30/21e above.

092 30/23a: “And among His (Allah’s) Signs is the sleep - - -". See 11/7a above.

093 30/23b: “- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

094 30/23c: "- - - the sleep - - - and the quest ye (make for livelihood) - - -". See 30/19a above.

095 30/23d: "- - - verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

096 30/23e: “- - - Sign(s) - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

097 30/23f: "- - - for those who hearken". See 13/3j and 30/21e above.

098 30/24a: “And among His (Allah’s) Signs, He shows you the lightning - - -". Invalid as sign as long as it is not proved it is Allah who makes them - claims are cheap.

099 30/24b: “- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

100 30/24c: "- - - the lightning - - -". See 11/7a and 30/19a above.

101 30/24d: "- - - He (Allah*) sends down rain - - -". See 11/7a above.

102 30/24e: “- - - (Allah*) gives life to the earth (by means of water*) after it is dead: verily, in that are Signs for those who are wise”. As soon as dry earth gets water and the other necessities, roots and seeds automatically start growing - god or no god. There is no proof in this for anything but that nature is resilient. Anyone who is wise will demand proofs before believing anything else. And again some flattery of the reader at the end.

103 30/24f: "- - - verily - - -". See 2/2b above. 

104 30/24g: “- - - Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

105 30/24h: "- - - those who are wise". See 13/3j and 30/21e above.

106 30/25a: “And among His (Allah’s*) Signs is this, that heaven and the earth stand by His Command - - -”. A most easy statement, as long as Muhammad refused to prove anything at all. Invalid.

107 30/25b: “And among His (Allah’s*) Signs is this, that heaven and the earth stand by His Command - - -”. Contradicted by the Bible, which says Yahweh is the commander, not Allah. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

108 30/25c: “- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above - and just this claim is extra surrealistic, as it not only is not proved, but totally impossible to prove (except for Allah(?), but he never has proved anything).

109 30/25d: "- - - when He (Allah*) calls you (a human*), by a single call, from the earth (your grave*), behold, ye (straightaway) come forth". This is about the resurrection. Muhammad often claims in the Quran that Allah will resurrect everybody. But there never was anything but loose words and as loose claims - neither Allah nor Muhammad ever was able to prove one millimeter any of the central claims of Muhammad.

110 30/26a: “To Him (Allah*) belongs every being that is in heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". Often claimed - by Muhammad and by many other religions - but never proved.

111 30/26b: "- - - heavens - - -". But there are no 7 heavens like the Quran often refers to.

112 30/26c: “- - - all (beings*) are devotedly obedient to Him (Allah*).” Wrong. No non-Muslim is devotedly obedient to Allah. And no Muslim sinner is devotedly obedient to any god. Islam further will have to prove that also all non-human beings, included worms and slugs and insects and microbes - are devotedly obedient to him. Yes, they will even have to prove that all believing Muslims are devotedly obedient to him.

113 30/27a: "It is He (Allah*) Who begins (the process of) creation - - -". One of the very many never proved claims in the Quran. Had only some - or even most - been claims and at least a little been proved, this could have been acceptable. But nothing at all is proved, even though it should be easy for Allah (even according to the Quran) to prove at least some. The ones who have to rely on loose claims and even looser words - and perhaps bluffs? - normally are the cheaters, the deceivers, and the swindlers. Also see 21/56c above.

114 30/27b: "It is He (Allah*) Who begins (the process of) creation; then repeats it - - -". His claimed power also of resurrection - see 7/158i above.

115 30/27c: "To Him (Allah*) belongs everything that is in the heavens (plural and wrong*) and on earth - - -". Often claimed, never proved. The same claim can be made of any believer in any religion, as long as he is able to flee from all requests for proofs. Also see 11/7a and 30/27a above.

116 30/27d: “- - - heavens - - -“. Plural and wrong. See 2/22d.

117 30/27e: "- - - He (Allah*) is Exalted in Might - - -". A might he in case never has proved.

118 30/27f: "- - - (Allah is*) - - - Full of Wisdom." Not if he has made the Quran - far too much is wrong.

119 30/28a: “- - - do ye (Muslims*) have partners among those your right hand possess, to share as equals in the wealth We (Allah*) have bestowed on you? Do you fear them as ye fear each other?” Oh, no - Muslims do not. Arabia was a to a degree a slave society, and slaves for one thing got little part in the riches of the Master, and for another were too suppressed to be of any danger. A fitting similitude for Muslims?

120 30/28b: “- - - those your right hand possesses- - -". This is an Arab expression for slaves - an Arabism. See 13/4d above.

121 30/28c: "Thus do We (Allah*) explain the Signs in detail - - -". does not refer to any sign at all. But it refers to a similitude in the first part of the verse - and the only possible way of understanding the claimed explanation, is that humans are the slaves of Allah (this actually is made understood more places in the Quran). There is nowhere in the Bible made a direct comparison between Yahweh and humans, but it is clear they are not his slaves - clearly inferior underlings, but not slaves. One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

122 30/28d: “- - - Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

123 30/28e: "- - - a people who understand". See 13/3j and 30/21e above.

124 30/29a: "- - - the wrongdoers (merely) follow their own lust - - -". Slandering opponents is no new invention - Muhammad practiced it much (see f.x. all his "names" for non-Muslims - all of them negative or worse).

125 30/29b: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". A negative and "loaded" word - normally "Quran-speak" for "non-Muslims". One of Muhammad’s many negative names for non-Muslims actually.

126 30/29c: "- - - the wrongdoers (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) (are) - - - devoid of knowledge". A nice classification of non-Muslims.

127 30/29d: "- - - the wrongdoers (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) (merely) - - -". A historical anomaly.

128 30/29e: "- - - the wrongdoers (non-Muslims at the time of Muhammad*) (merely) follow their own lusts - - -". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this:

When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.

The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different.

The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, 7/34a, 14/22b, and not least 27/22-26 above.

129 30/29f: "- - - knowledge". See 26/83a above.

130 30/29g: "But who will guide those whom Allah leaves astray?" One more difference between Islam and Christianity: Allah leaves people astray, and he even makes it difficult or impossible for many to find again or even find the road to Heaven - for some he according to the Hadiths blocks it already 5 months before they are born. God/Yahweh according to Jesus and NT always wants to welcome them back - even the worst ones - if there is honest regret. Read f. x. about "the lost sheep" (f. ex. Matt. 18/12-14) and "the 11. hour" (f ex. Matt. 20/1-16).

131 30/29h: "But who will guide those whom Allah leaves astray?" Perhaps Yahweh? - at least the ones believing in him - - - if he exists (but there is a slightly better chance for that he exists, than for that Allah exists - the chance for that Allah exists is practically zero, and if he all the same do exist, the chance for that he lives and behaves according to a book full of errors, etc., is once more practically zero of the first practically zero).

132 30/29i: "- - - guide - - -". There is little guidance in a guide-book full of mistakes, etc. Also see 2/2b above.

133 30/29j: "To them (non-Muslims*) there will be no helpers". This will be true only if the Quran tells the full and only truth - it should be unnecessary to point to that this is not the case, and that on top of all no god ever was involved in a book so full of mistakes, etc. like the Quran. The claim in the verse is not true if the god(s) some non-Muslims believe in, really exist(s) - f. x. Yahweh.

PS: And what about helpers to Muslims if the Quran is a made up book? - remember that there is no god behind it.

134 30/30a: "- - - truly - - -". See 2/2b above.

135 30/30b: "- - - the Faith - - -". Islam - the Quran uses this expression only for Islam.

136 30/30c: "- - - on which He (Allah*) has made mankind - - -". See 6/2b, 11/7a and 21/56c above.

##137 30/30d: “- - - no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah: that (Islam*) is the standard Religion - - -”. No “standard” religion can be based on a book with so many obvious mistakes. And hopefully no “standard” religion can be based on hate, suppression and blood. (This paragraph is one of the reasons why Islam states - or pretend - that the Quran is perfect, and why Islam can admit not even the most obvious mistakes - all mistakes must be “explained” away, because there can be no change (and of course nothing wrong) in Allah’s work – the Quran. Another cause of course is that as Allah is omniscient he simply cannot make mistakes, so mistakes proves he is not omniscient and/or that something is wrong with Islam).

138 30/30e: "- - - (Islam*) is the standard Religion - - -”. The Quran claims that it is the original and natural - and standard - religion on Earth. We think we had better not comment on this - except that not even Islam has found any trace of a religion like Islam older than 610 AD. To be polite: It is a bluff.

Also see 30/30d just above.

139 30/30f: "- - - (Islam*) is the standard Religion - - -”. Comment (A30/27): "The term "fitrah", rendered by me as "natural disposition" (Yusuf Ali translates it with "standard (religion*)"), connotes in this context man's inborn, intuitive ability to discern between right and wrong, true and false, and thus to sense Allah's existence and oneness". This is bullshit - and the reason why we do not use stronger words, is politeness.

Man - a baby - has an inborn, but vague feeling for right and wrong, fair and unfair, good and bad. But mind you we say vague. The rules and norms for this have to be learned. This means it is exactly the opposite of the Islamic claim here - that man is born with correct knowledge about this, which is blunted and bent and destroyed by parents and others to adjust it to their norms.

Further: But man has no inborn feeling - even not a vague one - for knowing the difference between true and false. This is something the baby and child and youth has to learn, partly on basis of getting enough knowledge about this and that to be able to see what may be correct and what not, and partly by means of training in evaluating such cases - training in what often is called "critical thinking" (training in combining new information with what you know from before, and weigh facts, claims, etc. against one another to find out what can be true and not true). It is thought provoking that schools in Muslim area give little such training. This again is thought provoking on the background that science has found that 3. generation and later Muslims living in western countries which give good such training, to a marked degree starts losing interest in Islam (scientific research published in May 2010, mentioned even on radio/TV).

Finally: The claimed inborn ability to "sense Allah's existence and oneness" is scientific gobbledygook. The same goes for the other claim in the same comment: "- - - the 'natural disposition' which, by definition, consists of man's instinctive cognition of Allah and self-surrender (Islam) to Him". To say this with plainer Muslim words you may meet now and then: "All babies are born Muslims, but the religion is corrupted by parents and others to their own religion." This has exactly nothing to do with what is known about such things. There simply exists no "instinctive knowledge about religion" - Muslim or other. Everything a person knows about religion is things he/she has learnt. Science has found a longing for something strong to lean on - a religion - in a minor percent of the population. They even have found at least one gene giving tendency for such longing (they stumbled across it while doing cancer research a few years ago). But there is a long distance between a longing and knowledge.

####This comment by Muhammad Azad simply is his repeating of one of Islam's tries to get around the lack of documentation for Allah and for Islam combined with a need for such. They construct things/claims like "instinctive knowledge about Allah and/or Islam", "self-evident claims or "facts" about Allah and/or Islam", "requests for proofs for Allah, Islam, Muhammad's connection to a god or for Muhammad's reliability and/or integrity proves shows lack of intellectual ability", and more statements and claims along that street. Islam has not one single proof for anything of this, and needs arguments, and in a religion and a culture where al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie), Kitman (the lawful half-truth), deceit and even the broken word/promise/oat, etc. are incorporated, it does not matter too much if the claims are true or not, as long as it may sound convincing at least for the naive ones, the uneducated ones, the wishful thinkers, etc. In the old times Muslims scholars may even have believed in such wishful self-delusions, but with the knowledge international science has about such things today, arguments like this are dishonesty, as any Muslim scholar today knows the truth or at least has no excuse for not checking on his claims and finding it (well, the god-longing gene and the reduced interest in Islam by 3. and later generations Muslims in the West, is so new knowledge, that some of them may be excused for not knowing just this when this is written in 2010 AD).

There only is one possible polite remark to claims like the ones Islam makes here: Scientific gobbledygook combined with al-Taqiyya.

*140 30/30g: “- - - no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah: that (Islam*) is the standard Religion: But most among mankind understand not”. The impolite, but most pertinent, question is: May be it is really the non-Muslims who have understood? - understood that something may be very wrong.

141 30/31a: "Turn ye (people/Muslims*) back in repentance to Him (Allah*), and fear him - - -". Well, perhaps there is a reason for fearing him, as he is a harsh god - - - but only if he exists and really is a god. (That is to say: If he belongs to the dark forces, there really may be a reason for fearing him.)

142 30/31b: "- - - regular prayers - - -". This demand for regular prayers - 5 times a day - was so essential for Allah (he even wanted more often according to Hadiths) that it became one of the 5 "pillars" of Islam. For Yahweh such formalism was so totally without any interest, that no similar rule - not even the idea - at all is mentioned in the entire Bible: Pray when there is a reason or a need or a wish. One of the 100% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Also see 23/9b above.

As for the value of prayers in Islam, also see 62/9c. And if you combine 62/9c with 67/9c - a strong one - you get something thought-provoking. (And relevant here: Muslims often are thought that a question or problem can have 2 or more true and correct solutions - Islam is forced to teach this, because if not, many of the mistakes and contradictions in the Quran become too obvious. But this ONLY is true if parallel true solutions are possible. In cases where 2 or more possible solutions are mutually excluding each other, maximum 1 of the mutually excluding ones can be true. It should be a bit thought provoking for Muslims, that just this "small" difference in theoretical thinking and teaching, was one of the reasons (there were several of course) for why Europe and the West exploded into the Technical Revolution, while the Muslim area stagnated). Two star examples are: 1) Full predestination is not possible even for an omnipotent god to combine with even the smallest piece of free will for man - the two are mutually excluding. The same for full and unchangeable predestination long time before, combined with any claimed effect of prayers - the two are mutually excluding each other.)

143 30/31c: "- - - those who join gods with Allah - - -". One of Muhammad’s many negative names for non-Muslims.

144 30/31d: "- - - join no gods with Allah - - -". But is Allah in reality any better? He has never proved his power. He has never proved even his existence. There only are loose claims and even looser words - and in all other aspects of life one often and easily are cheated if one believes blindly in such words. In the Quran on top of all is told only by a man of doubtful moral and reliability (why do you think it is so essential for Islamic clergy/scholars to tell and claim and claim he is nearly a saint? - simply because he in reality is the very weak point in Islam. And similar goes for the demand for blind faith: Nothing is proved and much is proved wrong - you have to have blind faith not to ask difficult questions.) Besides see 25/18a above.

145 30/32a: “Those who split up their Religion, and become (mere) Sects - - -“. We have been told there have existed and exist some 3ooo Muslim sects through the times. We have not been able to verify the number, but it is clear there are quite a number – from Wahhbism in Saudi Arabia and stricter, to Ammaddiyyas and others. It also is clear that through the history there have been more – some have been eradicated in blood even, as there is no compulsion in religion, according to Islam. As the Quran is said to be very clear and easy to understand, one impertinent, but pertinent question is: Which of the sects understands it correctly? – and why do all the others understand it differently? – and last, but very far from least: What is really the correct understanding?

146 30/32b: "- - - each part (sect) rejoicing in that which is with itself!" This also goes - and to a much larger degree - for Islam vs. other religions. And as implicated in the sentence: They may be wrong.

147 30/33: "- - - other gods beside their Lord (Allah*)". See 25/18a above.

148 30/34a: "- - - the (favors We (Allah*) have bestowed om them (some people*) - - -". The dispiriting fact here is that in all history and prehistory there is not proved one single case of Allah bestowing favors on anybody. There are lots of claims, but not one proved case (if there had been, Islam had told about it with loud-speakers).

149 30/34b: "- - - soon will ye know (your folly)". See 3/77b above.

150 30/35a: "Or have We (Allah*) sent down authority to them (non-Muslims*) which points out to them the things (false gods*) to which they pay part-worship". But the very fundamental question is: Does Allah exist, and in case he does: Does he really have the power to send authority of any kind? This simply is one more of the classical Islamic way of debating: "What we say is the truth and does not need verification - so we can make claims on basis of that". But the claims are 100% invalid, as long as the underlying claimed facts are not proved.

151 30/35b: "- - - pay part-worship - - -". Wrong. Non-Muslims simply believe Allah is a made up or false god and worship their own god(s). There is no question of part-worship - a phenomenon Muhammad may have launched because of the special situation with the god al-Lah (renamed by Muhammad to Allah) in Arabia, or in order to magnify his own god by claiming all other worshipping only was part-worshipping to gods beside Allah - i.e. claiming Allah after all was the main god for everyone, which was and is untrue. Also see 25/18 a above.

152 30/36a: "- - - Mercy - - -". See 1/1a and 2/2b above.

153 30/36b: "- - - what their (own) hands have sent forth - - -" An Arab expression meaning "what you yourself have done" - an Arabism (see 4/13d above).

154 30/37a: “See they not that Allah enlarges the provision and restricts it, to whomsoever He pleases? Verily, in that are Signs for those who believe”. There are signs of Allah in the fact that some are rich, some are poor and some are directly in distress? Islam must prove that no other explanations for riches and poverty are possible. Without such proof these presumed signs are invalid as proofs.(This also is the Quran's standard and easy explanation for why some have a good life and others not: Allah's unfathomable decisions).

155 30/37b: "Verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

156 30/37c: “- - - Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

157 30/37d: "- - - those who believe - - -". Muslims.

158 30/38a: "So give what is due to kindred, the needy, the wayfarer." One positive aspect with the Quran is its insistence on helping others. This is, though, weakened by 2 facts:

The main thing is not to help, but to get - "buy" - merit in Heaven.

You get just the same merit from helping your wife or children, as from helping others - then why help others? (Oh, others often are helped, too, but with lower priority.) Also see 30/39 just below.

159 30/38b: "That is the best for those who seek the Countenance of Allah - - -". One thing is to seek it - millions have done so. But there has been not one single proved case of anyone getting it.

160 30/38c: "That (charity*) is the best for those who seek the Countenance of Allah, and it is they who will prosper". Often wrong on Earth. If it is correct in a possible next life, depends on if the Quran tells the plain truth on this point.

161 30/39a: "- - - that which ye lay out for charity, seeking the Countenance of Allah - - -". One of the positive things with Islam and the Quran, is the stressing on charity. But there are two significant differences between charity in Islam and charity in Christianity (and many other religions):

The one thing is mentioned here: Charity in Islam is to gain merit in Heaven, whereas charity in NT is for the love of your fellow humans - or at least to help them in their need - plus a wish/hope for merit in Heaven.

The other is that in Islam it is clearly told that you gain as much merit in Heaven from helping your nearest and dearest - wife, children, etc. - as from helping strangers. In NT to help your nearest mainly is a matter of course and a duty, and only helping the more distant ones and strangers is charity. Two of the reasons why the big international charity organizations mostly started in the western culture and not under Islam?

162 30/39b: "- - - that which ye lay out for charity, seeking the Countenance of Allah (will increase (= give you merit with Allah*)) - - -". Clearly not always true on Earth. True in a possible next life only if Allah exists, is a god, and if the Quran has told the truth about him.

163 30/39c "- - - it is these (the ones giving for charity*) who will get a recompense multiplied". Well, this at least is what the Quran promises.

164 30/40a: "It is Allah Who has created you - - -". See 6/2b, 11/7a and 21/56c above.

165 30/40b: "It is Allah Who has created you: further He has provided for your sustenance - - -". See 11/7a above.

166 30/40c: "It is Allah Who has created you: further He has provided for your sustenance; then He will cause you to die - - -". See f.x. 30/27b above.

167 30/40d: "- - - and again He (Allah*) will give you life (resurrection*) - - -". See 7/158i.

168 30/40e: "Are there any of your (non-Muslims') 'Partners' who can do a single one of these things?" If the old books tells the truth at least Yahweh has proved he is able to some of them - which is much more than Allah has done, even according to the Quran (in the Quran just are claims, not proofs).

169 30/40f: "Are there any of your (non-Muslims') 'Partners' who can do a single one of these things?" This is not the central question here. The central question here is: Is Allah able to do it, or is everything just words? Neither Allah nor Muhammad has ever produced one single proof about anything of consequence: Is it bluff or reality?

170 30/40g: "Glory to Him (Allah*)!". See 1/1a above and see if he deserves it.

171 30/40h: "And High is He (Allah*) above the partners they (non-Muslims) attribute (to Him)!" At least this is the Quran's claim - but a never proved claim, like most claims in the Quran. Any priest in any religion easily can claim just the same about his god(s) if claims are all which is needed.

172 30/40i: "- - - partners (other gods*) they attribute (to Him (Allah*)) - - -". See 25/18a above.

173 30/41a: "Mischief has appeared on land and sea because of (the meed) that the hand of man have earned - - -". Muslim scholars do not understand what is meant here. They are guessing at this and that - included foretelling of modern pollution - but their answers are varying so much, that it plainly is guesswork. The plain old clear and easy to understand language in the Quran.

174 30/41b: "- - - that (Allah) may give them - - -". Like always in the Quran in such cases: A nice claim - never a proof. Words are cheap.

175 30/41c: "- - - (- - - Evil)". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

176 30/42a: "Say (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

*177 30/42b: “Travel through the earth and see what was the End of those before you (non-Muslims*) - - -.” In the Middle East there were ruins here and there. Muhammad claimed they all were from people punished because they were non-Muslims and sinners. In an arid and harsh area populated by warring and feuding tribes, there were many other reasons for empty houses. Islam will have to provide strong proofs for the claim that they all were result of religious disbelief, if they want to be believed on this point. And especially if they want to keep up the claim that it was because the claimed sinners had left Allah and Islam - a religion of which there is not one single trace even in the cultural cradle and literate Middle East. (A curiosum here: Islam claims there are written proofs for the old tribes the Quran tells about - but no word about anything like Islam, anywhere, even from much younger times).

178 30/42c: "- - - most of them (disappeared (claimed) sinners*) worshipped others besides Allah". See 25/18a above.

*179 30/43a: “- - - the right Religion (Islam*) - - -”. Is it possible that the right religion can be based on a book with that many mistakes, contradictions, invalid logic, etc. repeated or made by an Arab salesman, highwayman, murderer (he let opponents and others murder - the number 26 is mentioned, Ibn Ishaq names 10), torturer and rapist (he - at an age of nearly 60 - at least raped the newlywed, 17 year old Safijja after he had let her husband Kinana be tortured to death, and Rayhana bint Amr after he had murdered the male part of her family and made the rest slaves.) Source for this information: Muhammad Ibn Ishaq: “Life of the Prophet Muhammad” - the in Islam most respected of the old (dead 768 AD) writers about Muhammad. (It was written for the second Abbasside caliph in Baghdad, Mansur, around 750 AD). Neither Arab salesmen, nor highwaymen, nor torturers, nor murderers, nor rapists have the best of reputations for being honest (this even if Islam insists he was, but Islam hardly is the most reliable source on just that point - if he was not honest, Islam is a made up religion, so Islam HAS to make him look honest and saintly). This Arab salesman, highwayman, torturer, murderer and rapist and inhuman warlord, was even unable to produce one single small proof for his story. But he (?) produced lots of loose statements and invalid “signs” and “proofs”. Similar claim in 12/40. And what about his institutionalizing al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) and Kitman (the lawful half-truth) by his example, and his telling (in Hadiths and in the Quran) that even oaths can be broken - is that part of the right religion?

He is the only source Islam is built on.

Can this be "the Right Religion"?

180 30/43b: "- - - right - - -". See 2/2b above.

181 30/43c: "- - - before there comes from Allah the Day - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells Yahweh will decide on this, not Allah. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

182 30/43d: "- - - the Day which there is no chance of averting - - -". = The Day of Doom.

183 30/43e: "- - - on that Day shall men be divided (in two)". Good Muslims and the rest simply.

184 30/44a: "Those who reject Faith - - -". Non-Muslims. One of Muhammad's many negative names for them.

185 30/44b: "Those who reject Faith will suffer from that rejection - - -". Only if the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth about this, and only if Allah in addition exists and is a major god.

186 30/44c: "- - - Faith - - -". Islam.

187 30/44d: "- - - those who work righteousness - - -". Muslims.

188 30/44e: "- - - work righteousness - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

189 30/44f: "- - - (good Muslims*) will spread their couch (of repose) for themselves (in heaven)". Only if the Quran has told the full truth and only the truth about this, and only if Allah in addition exists and is a major god.

190 30/44g: "- - - (good Muslims*) will spread their couch (of repose) for themselves (in heaven)". Some difference from "- - - they are like angels - - -", (f. ex. Luke 20/36). The same god with so different paradises? You bet!

191 30/45a: "- - - those who believe - - -". Muslims.

192 30/45b: "- - - those who work righteous deeds- - -". Another name for Muslims.

193 30/45c: "- - - work righteous deeds- - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

194 30/45d: "- - - out of His (Allah's*) Bounty." Everything anyone gets in this life, comes out of Allah's bounty - at least according to the Quran.

195 30/45e" For He (Allah*) loves not those who reject Faith". One more deep difference between the Quran and NT: According to the Bible Jesus and Yahweh loves every human being and tries to give them the chance for salvation till the very end (f.x. Luke 15/8-10 + 15/11-31 and Matt. 18/12-14 + 20/8/13). Allah loves the Muslims.

196 30/45f: "For He (Allah*) loves not those who reject Faith". Allah loves no-one unless he exists. Who he loves if he belongs to the dark forces, is more difficult to say.

197 30/45g: "- - - Those who reject Faith - - -". Non-Muslims.

198 30/45h: "- - - Faith - - -". Islam.

199 30/46a: “- - - His (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

200 30/46b: "- - - He (Allah*) sends the Winds - - -". See f.x. 11/7a and 30/27a above.

201 30/46c: “- - - Glad Tidings - - -“. Glad tidings in just this case mean rain. But rain is glad tidings only in dry places. Was Allah only a god for (some) dry places, or was he unable to find universal glad tidings?

202 30/46d: "- - - (Allah's*) Mercy - - -". See 1/1a and 2/2b above.

203 30/46e: "- - - the ships may sail (majestically) by His (Allah's*) Commands - - -". See f. x. 11/7a and 30/27a above.

204 30/46f: "- - - seek of His (Allah's*) Bounty." Everything anyone gets in this life, comes out of Allah's bounty - at least according to the Quran.

*205 30/47a: “We (Allah*) did indeed send, before thee (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

*206 30/47b: “We (Allah*) did indeed send, before thee (Muhammad*), messengers to the (respective) peoples - - -”. The Quran tells there were sent prophets by Allah too all peoples throughout the times - the Hadith (the second main “pillar” of “knowledge” about Islam) mention 124ooo, and even that may even be only a symbolic number. But neither in archaeology, nor in architecture (temples or stones reused for buildings f.x.), nor in literature, nor history, nor folklore, nor even in fairy tales are there the slightest traces from those prophets. That so many prophets should leave not even a whisper of a trace - flatly no. And especially so when you see what only 2 (claimed?) prophets - Jesus and Muhammad - resulted in. It is not possible that not at least some out of 124ooo left traces.

207 30/47c: “We did indeed send, before thee (Muhammad*), messengers to their (respective) peoples - - -.” It is generally an accepted fact – among clergy and science alike, that Jonah was a stranger to Nineveh, the town to which he was sent. Joseph was a stranger in Egypt, Lot a stranger in Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham a stranger in Canaan, and Moses a stranger in Sinai when he fled from Egypt. Most prophets worked among their own people, but in contradiction with the Quran, not all.

208 30/47d: "- - - indeed - - -". See 2/2b above.

209 30/47e: “- - - Clear Signs - - -“. See 2/39b and 2/99 above.

210 30/47f: "- - - those who transgressed - - -". Non-Muslims and likely some bad Muslims.

211 30/47g: "- - - We (Allah*) meted out Retribution - - -". See 3/77b above.

212 30/47h: "- - - it was due from Us (Allah*) to aid those who believed". The embarrassing fact is that no such aid has ever been proved given. Many claims, but not one single proved one - just ask Islam if there is a proved case.

213 30/47i: "- - - those who believe". Muslims - only Muslims believe according to the Quran.

214 30/48a: "It is Allah Who sends the wind - - -", See f.x. 11/7a or 30/27a above.

***215 30/48b: “- - - then does He (Allah*) spread them (the clouds*) in the sky as he wills, and break them into fragments, until thou seest raindrops issue from the midst thereof - - -”. It is not possible to get it more wrong than this. What happens is not that the clouds break apart to raindrops, but straight opposite: That droplets come together to form drops. No further comments. But ANY god had known better. Then who made the Quran? Also see 16/65 – 25/49 – 30/24 – 36/33 – 50/11.

216 30/48c: "- - - they (humans*) do rejoice (for rain*) - - -". In Arabia they do - but hardly f.x. in England or Amazonas. If Allah had existed and been a universal god, he had used examples which had made everyone rejoice if he was involved in the making of the Quran. An Arabism - see 4/13d above. Then who made the Quran?

217 30/49: Like 30/48c, but stronger.

218 30/50a: "- - - Allah's Mercy - - -". Once more: Read the surahs from Medina, the black sides of Islamic code of moral, and the unjust points in sharia laws and see how far you agree.

219 30/50b: "- - - He (Allah*) gives life to the earth after its death - - -". In this case Muhammad refers to the desert coming alive after rain. But is it Allah who produces the rain? - or nature? - or some other god? Besides this phenomenon you only find in dry area - any god knows all kinds of areas and had used a more universally understandable picture. But Muhammad mainly knew dry area. One more thing: If water is all it takes to make the area flourish, it was not dead, it just looked so - it was alive with seeds and roots.

220 30/50c: "- - - verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

221 30/50d: "- - - verily, the Same (Allah*) will give life to the men who are dead - - -". See 7/158i above.

222 30/50e: "- - - He (Allah*) has power over all things". We have not counted, but we think similar claims are to be found at least 100 places in the Quran alone. But not one single place inside or outside the Quran do you find even the smallest real proof for this claim. No place and never in all history or prehistory.

223 30/51a: "And if We (Allah*) send but a Wind - - -". See. f.x. 11/7a and 30/27a above.

224 30/51b: "- - - (unbelievers) - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims.

225 30/52a: "So, verily, thou (Muhammad*) canst not make the dead to hear, nor canst thou make the deaf hear the call - - -". The reason why non-Muslims do not believe Muhammad, is that they are dead of deaf. It was better to slander the opponents, than to admit there might be rationale reasons for their disbelief. 

226 30/52b: "- - - verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

227 30/52c: "- - - thou (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

228 30/52d: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

229 30/52e: "- - - they (opponents of Muhammad*) show their backs". See 30/29e above.

230 30/53a: "Nor canst thou (Muhammad*) lead the blind (the ones refusing to believe in Muhammad*) back from their straying (and to Islam*)". Non-Muslims = blind. But who is most blind; the one able to see, but who is accused of being blind, or the one refusing to see?

231 30/53b: "- - - those - - - who believe in Our (Allah's*) signs - - -". Muslims. But this sentence tells something when you know there does not exist one singe sign anywhere clearly proving Allah - or for that case Muhammad's connection to a god. (If one had existed be you sure Islam and its Muslims all had told you about it).

232 30/53c: “- - - Our (Allah*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b and 2/99 above.

##233 30/53d: "- - - (Good Muslims*) submit (their wills in Islam (and to Muhammad*))". Well and good - but as the Quran with all its mistakes is not from any god, what then is Muhammad and Islam? - and to what - except leaders on Earth - then do Muslims submit their wills?

234 30/54a: "It is Allah who created you - - -". See f.x. 6/2b, 11/7a, 21/56c or 30/27a above.

235 30/54b: "- - - He (Allah*) creates as He wills - - -". See 11/7a, 21/56c and 7/158i above.

p>236 30/54c: "- - - He (Allah*) creates as He wills - - -". Why then should he not be able to create a son if he wished? - and no mortal can know or understand what a god may wish. 

237 30/54d: "- - - it is He (Allah*) Who have all knowledge - - -". See f.x. 26/83a and 30/27f above.

238 30/54e: "- - - it is He (Allah*) Who have all knowledge and power". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells that this belongs to Yahweh, not to Allah. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

239 30/54f: "- - - it is He (Allah*) Who have all - - - power". See f.x. 30/27e above.

240 30/55a: "- - - the Day and the Hour (of reckoning) - - -". The Day of Doom.

241 30/55b: "- - - transgressors - - -". "Quran-speak" for non-Muslims - a rather "loaded" word - like so often in the Quran.

242 30/55c: "- - - the transgressors (non-Muslims*) will swear they tarried not (in the grave*) but an hour - - -". Remember this next time you hear about "punishment in the grave" - a phenomenon you meet in the Hadiths (stories about Muhammad and his nearest co-workers). There simply was no time for "punishment in the grave" - Hadiths are wrong here, too, (some Muslims have left the Hadiths, as they are too unreliable they have found).

243 30/55d: "- - - thus were they (non-Muslims*) used to being deluded!" This is a claim. But as the Quran is not from a god, the serious question is: Who are in reality deluded?

244 30/56a: "- - - those endued with knowledge and faith - - -". Muslims.

245 30/56b: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.

246 30/56c: "- - - faith - - -". Islam. This word alone always means Islam in the Quran.

###247 30/56d: (YA3574): "The men of knowledge and faith knew all along of the true values - - -". Wrong, because man often is led astray by popular idea, old ways of thinking, etc. There are good values which are reckoned to be good. There are good values which are reckoned to be bad. There are things with no real value which may be reckoned in one religion or culture to be bad and in others to be good. And not least there are negative values which may be reckoned to be good. In Islam you will find a number of such wrongly evaluated values - not least of bad values reckoned to be good. Search f.x. in Islam's moral code, ethical code, war code, and in sharia, and you will find a number of negative values claimed to be good ones (and honestly believed to be good ones by many Muslims, because "everyone" tell them so). Just by comparing "do onto others what you want others do onto you" - the basis for all inter-human moral - with the mentioned codes and the sharia, and you will find a number of cases. And then there are all the other cases.

248 30/56e: "Indeed - - -". See 2/2b above.

249 30/56f: "- - - the Day of Resurrection - - -". = The Day of Doom.

250 30/57a: "- - - that Day no excuse of theirs (non-Muslims'*) will avail - - -". The Day of Doom.

251 30/57b: "- - - Transgressors - - -". "Quran-speak" for non-Muslims often. Not a nice word. One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims.

252 30/58a: "Verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

253 30/58b: "- - - if thou (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

254 30/58c: “- - - Sign - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

255 30/58d: "- - - the Unbelievers - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims.

256 30/58e: "Ye (Muhammad*) do nothing but talk vanities". When you look at all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran: May be this statement is the truth.

257 30/59a: "Thus does Allah seal up the hearts of those who understand not (non-Muslims*)". They shall not have the chance to understand. No further comments. But guess if this is different from "the lost sheep" and others in the NT!

258 30/59b: "- - - those who understand not". One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims. But see 30/59c just below.

259 30/59c: "- - - those who understand not". The dark and sinister question here is: Is it in reality they who understood and understand? The fact that the Quran with all its errors, etc. is not from a god makes this a dark possibility.

260 30/60a: "- - - patiently persevere - - -". An expression non-Muslims never should forget the Quran impresses and impresses and impresses on its followers: If you persevere sooner or later the "enemy" tires and gives in - and you have won. It has been true too often.

261 30/60b: "- - - verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

265 30/60c: “- - - the promise of Allah is true - - -“. The promises of Allah are expressed via Muhammad and the Quran. The first was a man of highly suspect morality according to his words and deeds told in the Quran and other Islamic religious and historical literature (the Quran, Hadiths, and Ibn Ishaq to mention the most central ones). The second is a book dictated by that man, and containing huge numbers of mistakes, contradictions, twisted arguments, twisted logic, inhuman ethics and moral, etc., etc. Islam will have to bring real proofs to be believed – and Islam has until now been unable to prove anything fundamental - - - they instead insist on and glorify naïve blind belief. Also see 16/38 - 32/9 - 35/5 – 40/77 – 46/17.

266 30/60d: "- - - true - - -". See 2/2b above.

267 30/60e: "- - - nor let those shake thy firmness (in belief in Islam*), who have (themselves) no certainty in faith ". This means you shall not believe any others than the ones who themselves believe in Islam - included not the ones who see that something is wrong. This again means that Muhammad/the leaders want their followers to have no chance to get information from which they can see that something is wrong. Well, it is normal for many religious (and also political) sects.

268 30/60f: "- - - faith". Islam. This word alone always means Islam in the Quran.

Surah 30: Sub-total: 268 + 12.994 = 13.262 comments.

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(A6/92 - English 2008 edition A6/93): "- - - it is in the nature of man to regard the beliefs which have been implanted in him(!) from his childhood, and which he now shares with his social environment, as the only true and possible one - - -". He forgot(?) to mention that this also goes for Muslims.

10/32: "- - - apart from the Truth, what (remains) but error?"

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#####8/69a-d: "- - - lawful and good - - -". If these words and the context they are taken from ("- - - enjoy what (loot, slaves, and women* + destruction and murder) ye took in war (normally of aggression*), lawful and good - - -") were all you knew about the Quran and Islam, this alone would be enough to remove them from the civilized world, and transfer it to the dark, harsh, and inhuman Medieval ages or earlier. This even more so as this is not "abrogated" (made invalid) by today's Islam, but on the contrary are preached many places all over even today in some Islamic fora and groups and countries. (And even practiced during armed conflicts - Bangladesh, East Timor, East Africa, and Indonesia a "short" time ago. Low intensity active in f.x. Indonesian New Guinea and parts of Africa even now (2010).)

Just remember that most Muslims are ok. Only a minority is militant - 1-2% according to Muslims (but 2% of 1.2 billion = 24 million). Then according to international science some 30% (= some 360 million) are willing to help the militants actively or with money, or at least "understand" them. The rest - the majority - are ok. (But our problem is to know who is who.)

But what is absolutely sure, is that apologists telling that "there are verses in the Quran which can be misused by terrorists", are talking nonsense. According to the Quran it is very clear it is the peaceful Muslims who are not good Muslims, and the activists who are laudable and obeying Muhammad and Allah.

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From 6/149a: "You meet this lack of moral backbone and the ability in Islam and in Muslims to overlook or explain away even the strongest facts, at every point in the Quran where there are mistakes, contradictions or other proofs for that something is wrong in the Quran, and thus with Muhammad and with his religion - proofs they are unable to face for that Islam as told in the Quran is not a religion, but a superstition".

"Religious 'knowledge' nearly always in reality only is belief - often strong belief, but only belief". (In Islam exactly nothing of any consequence is proved - on the contrary: Much is proved wrong and thus that it is from no omniscient god.)

A world dominated by Islam is quite possible - Islam is expanding. Will it end up like North Pakistan or Afghanistan or like Saudi Arabia without oil - or somewhere in between? - and this because of a religion which itself proves that something is seriously wrong with its teaching, and also that there is no god behind its "holy" book (no omniscient god makes mistakes), and thus not behind the religion.

A nice future for our grandchildren?

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Surah 6 is a bit hard upon the wishful thinking of Muslims:

In 6/50 Muhammad confirms he cannot see what is hidden - the future - killing all the claimed miracles claimed made by Muhammad concerning seeing what was hidden, and indirectly also documenting he was no prophet - not knowing the future = unable to make prophesies, and a person unable to make prophesies is no prophet. (F. ex. 5. Mos. 18/21 - in the same speech of Moses where Islam claims Moses foresees Muhammad when talking about "a prophet like me" - quite an irony when 18/21 indirectly, but clearly tells Muhammad was not even a prophet - he only "borrowed that impressive and imposing title. (And among many others 18/2 tells Moses was speaking about Jewish "brothers" - Islam has cherry-picked and twisted 18/15 and 18/18 in an al-Taqiyya.)

Also connected to 6/50;(A.6/39): "This denial on the part of the Prophet (Muhammad*) of any claim to supernatural power - - -". This states that Islam admits Muhammad had no supernatural power at all = absolutely no prophet.

Then 6/91c: "Who then sent down the Book which Moses brought?" This is intended as a rhetoric question with only one possible answer: The god. But as Moses did not get any book(s) both according to the Bible and according to science, this try to make up a "proof" for that Allah might have sent down the Quran, was a total miss. Any god had known this and not made such a flop. Then who made the Quran?

In connection with 6/106 (6/106b) Allah's very existence is doubted.

In connection with 6/108 "The Message of the Quran" (comment6/93) explains "- - - it is in the nature of man to regard the beliefs which have been implanted in him from childhood, and which he now shares with his social environment, as the only true and possible ones" - which explains in details why Muslims believe in spite of all facts proving something is seriously wrong with the religion.

In connection with 6/148 (comment 6/141 in the same book) Islam has to admit that the claim that Allah decides everything - predestination - is impossible to combine with the claimed free will for man (and without free will it is morally wrong to punish man for sins) - but "it all the same must be true, because Allah says so (in the Quran*)" the ultimate defeat for brain against blind belief.

And in 6/151 may be the most well-known of the mistakes in the Quran accepted by Islam to be a mistake: "You are prohibited from - - - being good to your parents" (well, may be "Mary, sister of Aaron" is even more well-known, but that one is frequently tried explained away).


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