1000+ Comments on the Quran: Surah 18 -- Al-Kahf (The Cave)

Revelation: Mecca, 622 AD.

(See general comments on Surahs here: Introduction)


 

The quotes and comments

001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captured - and see if you agree. Remember; the "gold standard" for morality is: "Do to others what you want others do to you", and for empathy: "Do to others what you would like others do to you". Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 18/1a: "Praise be to Allah." See 1/1a above and see if you think he deserves it - if he exists.

003 18/1b: “- - - Allah, Who hath sent down to his Servant (Muhammad*) - - -".The sinister question is: Was Muhammad the servant of an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent god? Muhammad never was able to prove even the smallest of his claims, and it is clear that his claimed holy book is no from a god - the quality of the contents is of such a low quality, not least scientifically, that it is an insult, slander and heresy to accuse any god for such sloppy work.

004 18/1c: “- - - Allah, Who hath sent down to his Servant - - - the Book (the Quran*)". Well, the next sinister question is: Can a book this full of mistaken facts and other mistakes, really be sent down by an omniscient god? If yes, does that mean that Allah is not omniscient/omnipotent? If no, does it mean that someone else who is/was not omniscient, has made (up) the Quran? The last question is most sinister, especially if it means that Islam is a made up religion, and even more so if this (may be?) made up religion blocks the road for its “believers” to a real religion (if such one exists). The answers have got to be: No omniscient god would make such an unreliable book (among other reasons because man had to see the mistakes sooner or later), and it is likely it is made by one or more humans at the time of Mohammad (among other reasons because the mistakes and many of the stories are in accordance with what one believed in Arabia at that time).

#005 18/1d: “(Allah*) hath allowed therein no Crookedness.” In a book that full of mistaken facts and other mistakes, there is a lot of crookedness. Especially the mistakes, the use of invalid “signs”, ”proofs” and as invalid logic, and the partly immoral moral code and laws "smell".

006 18/1e: (A18/1): "The above phrase ("no Crookedness"*) is meant to establish the direct, unambiguous character of the Quran - - -". Do remember this each time Muslims claim that mistakes in the Quran "in reality" are allegories or similar. Also see 18/1e just below.

007 18/1f: (A18/1): "The above phrase ("no Crookedness"*) is meant to establish the direct, unambiguous character of the Quran and to stress its freedom from all obscurities - - -". See 18/1e just above.

008 18/1g: (A18/1): "The above phrase ("no Crookedness"*) is meant to establish the direct, unambiguous character of the Quran and to stress its freedom from all obscurities and internal contradictions". A symbolic irony as there are hundreds of obscure points and at least 300 internal contradictions i the Quran - see separate chapters in "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" - www.1000mistakes.com .

009 18/1-2: “Praise be to Allah, Who hath sent to his servant (Muhammad*) the Book (the Quran*), and hath allowed therein no Crookedness: (He hath made it) strait (and Clear) - - -.” In plain words: The verses in the Quran are in straight and clear and not crooked or incorrect words – to be understood literally (where not something else is said strait and clear). See the comment to 3/7 and 11/1 just above.

010 18/2a: “(He (Allah*) hath made it) Straight (and Clear) - - -”. The tales “per se” mostly are plain and easy. But a book that full of mistaken facts and other mistakes, f.x. linguistic ones, (and perhaps religious ones, too - why should they be exceptions?) is neither straight nor clear.

####011 18/2b: “(He (Allah*) hath made it) Straight (and Clear) - - -". This is one of the verses you should remember each time a Muslim tries to explain away a clear mistake by "no, this is not literally meant - - -", which is one of the 3 most used last ditch defenses (the two others are: "You cannot understand a text in the Quran alone - you have to see the whole Surah (or the whole Quran)". And: "You cannot really understand the Quran unless you read it in Arab". Both of which are rubbish. (Well, there are 2 more: "You do not know the Quran/what you are talking about", and: "You just are an Israel lover/Muslim hater quoting what you have heard or read".) There are places where you have to know more than the actual verse and the nearest few ones to understand the meaning, but mostly the simple answer is: "If you are not able to see the essence in a meaning or something said, you should stay out of debates" - this Muslim claim simply is a means to make the opponent unsure, because few know the Quran well enough to see that mostly this claim is invalid. And as for reading in Arab to understand it: For one thing the Arab of Muhammad mainly was the language of primitive desert nomads even though it later is linguistically polished - there is no problems for rich modern languages like f.x. English to compete with it in vocabulary. (Also in Japan they had the same haughty self-centered meaning once upon a time: Primitive foreigners impossibly would be able to express what a highly refined language like their could. They stopped claiming it after many enough had learnt foreign languages to see the nonsense in it. And that was really was a refined cultural language, not something from primitive tribes, even though polished afterward. Well, there always will be some words which are special for a language, and which need explanation, but that is it - and this goes for any language and is nothing special for Arab. The remaining fact is that what one brain can think, another brain of the same quality and similar education can understand, at least with a little explanation. But the claim is difficult to leave for Muslims, because they need it as an "explanation" when they lack real arguments.

012 18/2c: "- - - warn the godless - - -". This depends on who has a real god and who has not. In this connection one should remember that the Quran with all its mistakes is not from a god. Also see 3/77b above.

013 18/2d: "- - - the godless - - -". One more of Muhammad's many distaste or stronger inducing names for non-Muslims.

014 18/2e: "- - - a terrible Punishment - - -". Here Hell.

015 18/2f: "- - - a terrible Punishment - - -". See 3/77b above.

016 18/2g: “- - - Glad Tidings - - -.” At best only partly right. See 2/97i and 17/9d above and 91/13 below.

017 18/2h: "- - - the Believers - - -". = The Muslims - only Muslims believe according to the Quran.

018 18/2i: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that this word is relative to the somewhat immoral moral code of the Quran.

019 18/2j: "- - - wherein they (good Muslims*) shall have a goodly reward - - -". A never proved claim which is dependent on that Allah really exists, that he is behind the Quran, and that the Quran in addition speaks only and the full truth at least on this point. There also is the question one meets in 11/108c above.

0120 18/2k: "- - - a goodly Reward - - -". The Quran's and Islam's paradise. See 10/9j above.

021 18/3: "- - - wherein (Paradise*) they (good Muslims*) shall remain forever". See 11/108c which indicates it may be it is not quite forever.

022 18/4a: "- - - those (also) who say (to Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

023 18/4b: "- - - those (also) who say = The Christians - the sentence refers to Jesus, whom the Bible tells is the son of God/Yahweh. (The word "father" is used for the relationship between Yahweh and Jesus at least 204 times in the Bible, and the word "son" at least 87 - included often by Jesus himself).

024 18/4c: "- - - those (also) who say, 'Allah hath begotten a son'". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this:

When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.

The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different.

The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, 7/34a, and 14/22b above.

025 18/4d: "(It is wrong*) that Allah hath begotten a son”. Well, we are back to the old facts that Jesus according to the Bible - written on the background of thousands of witnesses/listeners - many times called God/Yahweh Father (Yahweh is called the father of Jesus at least 204 times in the Bible, and Jesus the son of Yahweh at least 87 times - many of those cases by Jesus himself, a very reliable person also according to the Quran), that humble humans - f. ex. Muhammad - are unable to understand completely the ways and wishes of a god (may be Yahweh wanted a son for some reason), and that Islam has to deny that Jesus was the son of Yahweh, in order to make (or pretend?) Mohammad the greatest prophet. Besides: Where are Islam’s proofs? - in spite of Islam’s glorifying of blind belief - a psychologically wise slogan when all they have are doubtful and at least partly wrong texts from a doubtful, self proclaimed “prophet” of at least as doubtful character - it is naïve in the extreme to believe blindly in so serious matter as eternity. If your chosen religion is a made up one - which every blind believer in every religion believes just their religion is not - where do you end if there is a next life? - and what if there is a real religion that you have not found, because of your blindness. Perhaps all religions are made up and just is a result of an inner longing in some people for something absolute (science have found that many weak - and some stronger - souls have such a longing in their genes or psyche - one of the genes active here is the gene VMAT2, according to The American Institute of Cancer Research, who stumbled across it in their research for cancer genes), but in that case one at least does not have to make life as miserable for ones fellow men (and even more for the women) as Islam preaches - hate, rape, stealing, enslavement, and war.

026 18/4-5: (A2): “Further, that He (Allah*) may warn those (also) who say, ‘Allah hath begotten a son’: No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers.” But the pronoun “hi” in “bihi” – does it point to “Allah hath begotten a son” or to “Allah”? In the last case the meaning here according to “The Message of the Quran” (that even stresses that this must be the right one, even though the one above is the usual one) is: “’Allah has taken unto Himself a son’. No knowledge whatever have they of Him (Allah*).” 2 choices – chose which one you think is best. And; these variants also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has/have more than one meaning.

*027 18/5a: “No knowledge have they (the Christians*) of such a thing (that Yahweh may have a son*)”. Wrong. There is a lot of information in the Bible. Now of course Muhammad, the Quran, and Islam all declare that the Bible has been falsified - they have to, as that was the only way for Muhammad to explain the differences between his “quoting” the Bible and quoting of religious legends, fairy tales, etc., and the Bible proper (it also is common among religious sects or religions to say that other sects or religions have misunderstood or falsified information), and also between Islam and Christianity. But science clearly has shown that the Bible is not falsified - and Islam has shown it even clearer by not finding one single proved falsification in some 44ooo relevant manuscripts from before 610 AD.

But the Quran is based only on what a single man said - only one man. A man who lived 600 years later, who brought not one single proof or witness - only claims and statements taken from nowhere and from legends. Also a man for whom it was essential (just read the Quran and see) to be the greatest of prophets, which meant he had to reduce Jesus. And a man who craved very much for power - once more; just read the Quran and see how he glues himself to his platform of power; his religion and the god of that religion - which meant that his teachings had to gain priority over other teachings. And a man telling he got his teachings directly from an omniscient god - which meant it was impossible to accept that there were mistakes in the teachings (a problem which today is a nightmare for Islamic scholars, because there very obviously are lots of mistakes, and it is difficult to find good enough ways of “explaining” the mistakes away, except for to people with no - or not enough - knowledge, or not able to think for themselves - - - or believing so strongly that they anyhow do not want to see facts that do not fit what they believe.)

Whereas the Bible is written by many different persons, and as for NT many of whom knew Jesus or his closest co-workers, the Disciples, and nearly all wrote at times when there still were thousands of witnesses alive that had personally heard and seen what Jesus said and did.

We do not say that the Bible is right. We even less say that all details in the Bible are right, as it is clear that some details are wrong also in the Bible, at least in Genesis (creating it all).

But there is no doubt that according to all rules for evaluating information, the Bible should be more reliable than the Quran. The OT is written some 1000 or more years earlier and consequently 1000 years or more closer to what happened, and also had at least a lot of verbal traditions to build on. And NT was written 450 – 600 before the Quran, and with lots and lots of witnesses to what had happened still alive when much of it was written. Muhammad on the other hand had few sources, and they were mixed up with fairy tales (like the Child Gospels, from which he f. ex. has got the story of the bird Jesus made from clay) or so-called apocryphal gospels or books - all of which are proved to be made up or propaganda for sects, or - well - fairy tales. Ok, he said he got his information from a god - but that is very easy and very cheap to say - many a founder of many a sect or religion have said the same thing. And there is not a single proof - not one single - for it being true in all the Quran, in spite of wishes and demands from both skeptics and followers. Questions which at best were answered with some fast-talk about what Allah could do if he wanted (but he never “wanted”) or that none of them would believe even if Allah sent real (supernatural) proofs (something any person who knows a little about people or about psychology knows is not true - supernatural proofs/wonders had made at least some believe. What is worse: Muhammad was a wise man who understood human nature - he had to know that he was lying each time he told just this). And do not forget: The glorified ideal Muhammad was in reality a highwayman and thief, an extorter, a rapist, a murderer and mass murderer, an enslaver, a warlord lusting for power and for wealth for bribes, and a warlord telling that “war is betrayal”, not to mention his al-Taqiyya (lawful lie) and Kitman (lawful half-truth).

There also is the fact that science knows some 12ooo - 13ooo scriptures or fragments with relation to the Bible or biblical circumstances. Plus 32ooo other manuscripts with references to the Bible. All of these from before 610 AD = before there was any reason to falsify Muhammad or something out of the Bible - if he had ever been there. They all are in accordance with the modern Bible, and when they find that the translators of the Bible have misunderstood or not been quite exact enough, the translation of the Bible is corrected in later editions - one wants and strives for to have everything as correct as possible. In stark contrast: When Islam finds scriptures or fragments which are not quite the same as the 2 Qurans they use today, the findings are denied and hidden - a star example is the many copies of the Quran found in Yemen in 1972; when it became clear that details - some of them of significance - were unlike what was written in the Quran(s) of today, scientists were denied access to them anymore.

Conclusion: Any student and any professor of history will say that according to normal rules for evaluation, the Bible is far more reliable than the Quran as a source for historical information. And any psychologist will confirm that Muhammad must have known he lied each and every time he said that (supernatural) proofs of Allah had made no-one believe in Allah anyhow. And more: No serious scientist uses information from the Quran from before 610 AD in his science - it is not reckoned to be reliable.

028 18/5b: "It is a grievous thing (to say Jesus is son of Yahweh*) that issues from their (Christians'*) mouths as a saying". For one thing Muhammad could not accept Jesus was son of Yahweh, because the obviously Muhammad was not the greatest. Besides he never understood the constellation Yahweh/Jesus/Holy Spirit (though he may be right that the trinity dogma may be is not correct - it is man-mad and not from the Bible - - - but Muhammad believed it consisted of Yahweh/Jesus/Mary(!)), and he never understood that a prince only is a prince even if his father is a king - Jesus belonged to divine stock, but was and is no god. Thus he found that to look at Jesus as divine, was polytheism, and polytheism he could not accept.

029 18/5c: “What they (the Christians*) say (about Jesus being the son of Yahweh*) is nothing but falsehood”. Tell that to all the witnesses that heard Jesus say so. There were so many listening to Jesus, that if a thing like this (Jesus calling Yahweh his father, and obviously in a traditional meaning - though perhaps a created, not a born son) was a lie, but was written in scripts meant for many to read, there had been serious protests and corrections. We do not say Jesus spoke the truth - even if he is accepted also by Islam to be an honest prophet. But we say it is highly unlikely that he did not say - many times - that Yahweh was his father and he himself the son of Yahweh. There simply were too many witnesses to what he said.

030 18/5d: “What they (the Christians*) say - - -". A historical anomaly.

031 18/6a: "You (persons*) wouldst only, perchance, fret thyself to death, following after them (non-Muslims*), in grief, if they believe not in this Message (the Quran*)". Not if they happened to believe in a real god, and especially not if on top of this the Quran and Allah are made up.

032 18/6b: "- - - if they (the Christians*) believe not in this Message (the Quran*)". A historical anomaly.

033 18/6c: "- - - this Message (the Quran*)". May well be it is a message. The question is from whom, as no god was involved (too much is wrong)?

034 18/7: "- - - in order that We (Allah*) might test them (people with a good life on Earth*) - - -". But why does a predestining, omniscient god need to test anyone? Also see 8/28 above.

035 18/8: "Verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

*036 18/9a: “Or dost thou reflect that the Companions of the Cave - - -”. This is an old tale - a religious legend - that is incorporated in the Quran pretending it is a true story and even "a wonder among Our (Allah's*) Signs". The story of the 7 sleepers is well known - and is just a well known fairy tale. The 7 were Christians from Ephesus in what is now Turkey, who fled to a cave during a pogrom under “Cesar” Decius the story goes.

Decius had the cave walled up to kill them. Instead the 7 fell asleep, and did not wake up until in the 30.th year of the reign of the pious emperor Theodosius - that is in 448 AD. Decius reined for just over two years around/just after 250 AD. That means that if the fairy tale had been true, they had slept some 195 years (the Quran says 300 or 309 years - even in the fairy tale it is wrong). Islam has troubles explaining this story, and the “explanations” we have seen, are very “lofty” and diffuse - f.x. that it really is told about an older Jewish fairy tale - or that it derives from misunderstandings about the Esseers - the members of the Qumran society (near the Dead Sea) but without giving any sources or documentation - only speculations. Besides the age does not matter – it is as made up even if it should happen that the original is a bit older. They also tell it is an allegory - which they mostly do when they have difficulties finding “explanations” which are possible to believe. But an allegory of what? And it obviously is not meant to be an allegory - among other things the meanings of an allegory in the Quran normally are very easy to see or are explained. The Quran further normally tells when it is telling an allegory or something similar, and not least; the Quran itself stresses that it shall be understood literally if nothing else is said. The sleepers also mentioned in 18/22 – 18/25. Also see 18/13 below.

037 18/9b "- - - the Companions of the Cave - - -". A historical anomaly.

038 18/9c: (YA2336): “- - - and the Inscription (“raqim”) - - -.” Arab “raqim” means inscription. But it also may be the name of a dog, according to some Muslim scholars The "sleepers" had a dog according to Quran. The book does not specify and nobody knows - the famously clear and not to be misunderstood language in the Quran.

###039 18/9d: "- - - ("the 7 sleepers")- - - were wonders among Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -". To tell a made up legend - a fairy tale - is some wonder and some "Sign". But not a little of the Quran's arguments and "signs" are on this level.

040 18/9e: “- - - Our (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

041 18/9f: "- - - (the story about the seven sleepers*) were wonders among Our (Allah's*) Signs (normally "Quran-speak" for "proof") - - -". It really tells something about Muhammad and about the Quran, that an old and well known made up legend is a "wonder among Our Signs".

042 18/9-26: The sleepers in the cave - the even today well known religious fable from Ephesus, about the 7 youths that fled from emperor Decius (a real emperor reigning only 2 years around 250 AD) and went to sleep in a cave, and then woke up maximum 196 years later (the Quran says 300 or 309 years) under the more well known emperor Theodosius). Just read it - it normally even is better told than in the Quran. "The 7 sleepers" is a well known Christian and perhaps Greek fable - well known also in Arabia at the time of Muhammad. Some Muslims wants it to be inspired from an even older Jewish legend, but that in case does not help the "reliability" of the Quran when it tells this is a true story - which it is not.

043 18/10a: "(Allah*) Bestow on us ("the 7 sleepers"*) mercy from Thyself - - -". See 1/1a above.

044 18/10b: "- - - dispose (Allah*) of our ("the 7 sleepers") affair for us in the right way!" It is a good thing this story is a fairy tale - retold in the Quran under the pretention it is a true story - because only in fairy tales Allah can dispose of anything at all if he does not exist.

##045 18/11: "Then We (Allah*) drew (a veil) over their ears - - - (so that they heard not) - - -". It takes more than a veil to stop sound and thus hearing - except in fairy tales. (Sorry for being a little sarcastic, but this is a well known, old fairy tale, but Islam and Muslims even today treat it like and pretends it is a true and holy story proving the power of Allah. Well, they have to, because the Quran says the story is true (see 18/13a below), and then it has to be true - if not, something is seriously wrong with the Quran, with Allah, and with Islam, which is a too hard fact to face. And just for the records: This story is not from the Bible.)

046 18/12a: "Then We (Allah*) arouse them (the "7 sleepers"*) in order to test which of the two parts was best at calculating the term of years they had tarried". A peculiar reason - and which 2 parts? (Clear language in the Quran - and a little logical reason for an omniscient god.)

047 18/12b: "- - - test - - -". Once more: Why does a predestining, omniscient god need to test anyone?

048 18/13a: “We (Allah*) relate to thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) their (the 7 sleepers) story in truth: - - -”. No omniscient god related a story like this claiming it to be true, neither to Muhammad, nor to anybody else.

049 18/13b: “We (Allah*) relate to thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) their (the 7 sleepers) story in truth: - - -”. As this is a well-known fairy tale, and as the Quran has so many other mistakes, carefully said: At best it is only partly the truth. But note that it is stressed that the story is the truth - not an allegory, not made up, but the truth.. A fairy tale = the claimed truth = irony.

050 18/13c: "- - - guidance - - -". Not much guidance in something like the Quran. Also see 13/1g and 16/107 above.

051 18/14a: "Our ("the 7 sleepers"*) Lord (here intended to be Allah*) is the Lord of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says Yahweh is the real ruler. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

052 18/14b: “- - - heavens - - -“. Plural and wrong. See 2/22d.

053 18/14c: "- - - if we ("the 7 sleepers"*) did (call upon another god than Allah*), we should indeed have done an enormity!" Now, they "in reality" were believers in Yahweh - the story originally most likely is Christian, but perhaps Jewish - so may be it had not been a big enormity to call on Yahweh?

054 18/15a: "- - - why do they (non-Muslims*) not bring forward an authority clear (= proofs*) - - -". What is the logic of telling that no-one will believe in Allah even if he sent no real proofs, and then claiming proofs from other religion? - the answer should be the same: Why should anyone believe in proofs form other gods if they do not believe in proofs from Allah? (Though the claim from Muhammad that nobody would believe if there were real miracles simply is not true, and Muhammad knew it was a lie - he was too intelligent and knew too much about people not to know this was a lie.) But it is a bit ironic that the Quran always demands proofs from everybody else, even though itself is unable to prove anything of any consequence at all - they only pretend that what they say and the Quran says are facts.

055 18/15b: "Who doth more wrong than such as invent a falsehood about Allah?" The real question to this as the Quran proves it is not made by a god - too much is wrong - is: What about this if the Quran is a made up book? Not to mention: What if the Quran is made by the dark forces?

056 18/16a: "- - - your ("the 7 sleepers") Lord (here claimed to be Allah*) will shower his mercies on you and dispose of your affairs - - -". Would he be able to do so if the story about the 7 sleepers were not in reality a fairy tale?

057 18/16b: "- - - his (Allah's*) mercies - - -". See 1/1a above.

058 18/17a: “Thou wouldst have seen the sun, when it rose, declining to the right from their (the 7 sleepers‘*) Cave, and when it set, turning away from them to the left, while they lay in the open space in the midst of the Cave. Such are among the signs of Allah - - -”. Some sign; presumed sleeping men in a lightly revised fairy tale. (But the Quran have nearly no tale not known beforehand in Arabia - all are taken from older fairy tales, folk tales, fables, legends, apocryphal /made up) scriptures, the Bible, the Torah and a few from tales from countries further east, and then twisted a little to fit in the Quran. It was not strange that skeptics told Muhammad and Muslims that they just told old tales.)

059 18/17b: “- - - the signs of Allah - - -.” There is not one single sign in the Quran that clearly is from Allah, and thus not one single “sign” that proves anything about Allah. Any priest in any religion can just as easy say they are signs of his god(s). Words are that cheap. And this "sign" is extra revealing, as the story ("the 7 sleepers") simply is a retold fairy tale. Some proof! ("Sign" in the Quran mostly is Quran-speak for "proof for Allah".)

060 18/17c: "- - - he whom Allah guides, is rightly guided - - -". The only guidance Allah is claimed to have sent, is the Quran. With that many mistakes, contradictions, etc, it is no reliable guide, and this is made even more obvious by the fact that a book of such a quality is not from any god.

061 18/17d: "- - - rightly - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

062 18/17e: "- - - he whom Allah leaves to stray - for him wilt thou find no protector to lead him to the Right Way". If the Quran is 100 correct, this may be right - - - if Allah exists. It is wrong if another god exists. It is irrelevant if no god exists.

063 18/17f: "- - - the Right Way". The road to Allah and his Islamic paradise.

064 18/18a: "- - - thou wouldst have certainly turned back in flight from them - - -". Why? There is no logical reason for that. Except if Muhammad needed a reason why they could lay in peace so long (in the original story the entrance was walled up and closed and the men left to starve).

065 18/18b: "- - - Thou - - - wouldst certainly have been filled with terror of them". As little reason as in 18/18a just above.

066 18/19: "- - - We (Allah*) raised them ("the 7 sleepers"*) (from sleep), that they might question each other". Some reason.

067 18/20: "- - - force you (claimed Muslims*) to return to their (Pagan*) cult - - -". But this should not be too terrible? - a Muslim forced to do such a thing, is not sinning.

068 18/21a: "- - - that they (people*) might know that the promise of Allah is true - - -", Some irony: A well known legend - a made up religious fairy tale, involving another god (Yahweh), is the proof for that Allah's promise is true.

069 18/21b: "- - - that they (people*) might know that the promise of Allah is true - - -", In the 1400 years since Islam started and long before that, there has been not on single proved case of Allah keeping a promise - not even giving a promise. Lots of claims, but not one single proved case.

070 18/21c: "- - - that they (people*) might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment". This is said without any context in the story. There is absolutely nothing about "the Hour of Judgment" in this story about "the 7 sleepers", not to mention any proofs for it. Both the claim and the logic are invalid. No omniscient god uses invalid logic and invalid proofs - only the ones without real facts and proofs need to do that. And the Quran excellent literature??

071 18/21d: "- - - that they (people*) might know that the promise of Allah is true, and that there can be no doubt about the Hour of Judgment, and that there is no doubt about the Hour of judgment". Similar comment like under 18/21c just above.

072 18/21e: "- - - true - - -". See 2/2b above.

073 18/21f: "- - - no doubt about the Hour of Judgment - - -". The last day of man will come once, but there are all reasons to doubt it will be like described in the Quran. This even more so as so much is wrong in the book, and as there is no supernatural being with real knowledge about also the future, behind a book with so many errors, etc.".

074 18/21g: "- - - the Hour of Judgment - - -". The Day of Doom.

075 18/21h: (A31 – in 2008 edition A30): “Let us (people*) surely build a place of worship over them (“the 7 sleepers”*)”. Or is the more usual translation correct? – that they should build a wall to close the cave. Who knows? - the language in the Quran is not clear, like so often.(In the original legend they were walled in and left to starve - how big chance would they have for not being molested by animals - or humans - if they were lying in an open cave for 300 or 309 years like the Quran claims?)

076 18/22a: “(Some) say they ("the 7 sleepers") were three, the dog being the fourth among them, (others) say they were five, the dog being the sixth - doubtfully guessing the unknown; (yet others) say they were seven, the dog being the eight”. If Muhammad got this story from a real story via a god, not from a well known fairy tale, the god had known their number (well, a god had known the number that was told in a legend - and that it just was a legend), but Muhammad obviously not. Also see 18/13 just above.

#077 18/22b: "Say thou (Muslim*): 'My Lord (Allah*) knoweth best their (the sleepers'*) number - - -". But the Quran claims it is just Allah who is speaking throughout this story (he is speaking in 1. person) - why then this expression and why is an omniscient god unsure about the number??

078 18/23: "Nor say of anything. 'I shall be sure to do so and so tomorrow' - - -". You in case will be sinning against Allah's supreme right to rule. An example of the claimed, but unexplainable "free will of man" in the Quran?

079 18/24a: "- - - the Lord (here claimed to be Allah*) will guide - - -". The only guide Allah is claimed to have produced, it the Quran - and a book with that many mistakes, etc. is no reliable guide.

080 18/24b: "- - - the right road". The road to Allah and his Muslim paradise. See 19/9f above.

081 18/25: “So they (the 7 sleepers) stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine more”. See 18/13 and 18/22. (If one relies on some historical facts mentioned in the main variety of the legend, they slept some 195 years). As for the claim 300 or 309 years, it may or may not mean something that 300 natural years = 309 Muslim years (the Muslim year is an artificial construction some 11 days shorter than a natural year).

082 18/26a: "Say: 'Allah knoweth best how long they (the sleepers*) stayed - - -". See 18/22b above.

083 18/26b: "- - - With Him (Allah*) is (the knowledge of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". Contradicted by the old Bible, which says this is Yahweh's domain, not Allah's. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

084 18/26c: "- - - With Him (Allah*) is (the knowledge of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth: how clearly He sees, how finely he hears (everything) - - -". See 2/233h above.

085 18/26d: “- - - heavens - - -“. Plural and wrong. See 2/22d.

086 18/26e: "- - - how clearly He (Allah*) sees, how finely He hears (everything)! (If he lives where Muhammad claimed - above the 7. heaven, he can hear nothing, as the air is too rarefied to transmit sound waves - two facts any god had known, but not Muhammad.

087 18/26f: "- - - nor does He (Allah*) share His Command with any other person whatsoever". No, but what about other gods? Even if we omit every other god, there still remain the question of Yahweh - the old Jewish god whom Muhammad admitted and confirmed existed. As his try to explain that he was the same god as Allah is wrong - too different religions (which cannot be explained away by claims of a falsified Bible, as both science and Islam has proved that also this claim is wrong), there has to be some other explanation.

088 18/26g: "They have no protector other than Him (Allah*) - - -". The Bible contradicts, at least for believers in Yahweh.

089 18/26h: "They have no protector - - -". Who are "they" in this case? The 7 sleepers? - or general people? Muslim scholars do not know. Clear language in the Quran?

090 18/27a: "- - - revealed - - -". See 4/47c, 5/59e, 15/1b above.

091 18/27b: "- - - revealed to thee (Muhammad*) - - -". Revealed to Muhammad - by whom in case? Told to Muhammad? Made by Muhammad? A combination of these? These are the alternatives. What all the errors, contradictions, etc. prove, is that it is not from a god (the Quran even says this itself: "If it was (is*) not from a god, there would be contradictions- - -" - which there are aplenty.

092 18/27c: "- - - revealed to thee (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

093 18/27d: “- - - the Book (the Quran*) of thy Lord (Allah*): - - - “. Is it really the words of a god? - with that many mistakes? Plainly and squarely no.

##094 18/27e: “- - - the Book (the Quran) of thy Lord (Allah*): none can change His Words (the Quran*) - - -”. Wrong. Reality can change the words when the words are wrong. And many verses were abrogated (“We (Allah*) sends another as good or better”) - a few even by Hadiths - not to mention that the whole religion was changed in and after 622 AD from peaceful to war and hate and stealing and rape. Islam cannot admit this change, because it may expose mistakes in the religion, but people are able to read, and it is easy to find it in the Quran.

095 18/27f: "- - - none can change His (Allah's*) words - - -". This in reality refers to Allah's claimed predestination and Plan. Allah predestines absolutely everything, and does so according to a Plan he has, and nothing can change that plan . If this is true, man has no free will, and Allah in case is extremely unjust and sadistic to punish humans for things he has forced them to do - - - and it also is meaningless to pray to Allah for help, because his predestinations and his Plan nothing and nobody can change. (Free will for humans one tries to explain with that it must be true anyhow, as Allah says so in the Quran. Why it anyhow pays to pray to Allah when nothing can change his predestined Plan anyhow, we have never seen explained.

096 18/27g: "- - - and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him (Allah*)". This will depend entirely on how truthful the Quran is. If it is telling the full truth and only the truth, and if Allah really exists, this may be correct. If not, there either is no god anywhere - everything is made up. Or there is/are one or more gods somewhere - and we f.x. here are back to the fact that Muhammad accepted the existence of Yahweh - though he tried to make one god out his own Allah and the Jewish and Christian Yahweh. The situation grows extra interesting if Allah does not exist - which seems very likely, as there never was any proof for him, as he suddenly appeared 1400 years ago (well, he existed as a Pagan god some time before that) - a god ought to have a longer life - and as there also never was any kind of manifestation of him or any other kinds of proofs, only words and claims and on top of all all those loose claims and words without exception came from a man believing in the use of lies (al-Taqiyya, Kitman) and broken promises included broken oaths, deceptions ("war is deceit"), and a man who used his religion (like many false prophets) to gain power and women. Not to mention that all the mistakes, etc. in the book tell a lot.

097 18/27h: "- - - and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him (Allah*)". Clearly and strongly contradicted by the Bible - at least as far as believers in Yahweh goes. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

098 18/28a: "And keep thy (Muslim*) soul content with those who call on their Lord (Allah*) - - -". = Do not mingle with non-Muslims - a claim similar to what often is used by leaders of new sects, especially fringe ones or extreme ones, not to get correcting ideas and facts into the group.

099 18/28b: "- - - those who call their Lord (Allah*) - - -". Muslims.

100 18/28c: "- - - those whose hearts We (Allah*) have permitted to neglect the remembrance of Us - - -". = non-Muslims (= dismissed by Allah = no good ones). As you understand it is Allah who decides who can stay outside Islam - at least according to the Quran (actually it has to be so, as Allah decides and predestines absolutely everything according to Muhammad and the Quran).

##101 18/28d: "- - - nor obey any of those whose hearts We (Allah*) have permitted to neglect the remembrance of Us - - -". (= non-Muslims). An order non-Muslims and non-Muslim authorities should at least know about.

102 18/28e: "- - - one - - - whose case has gone beyond all bounds". Non-Muslims are "beyond any bonds" - do not mingle with them.

103 18/29a: “Say (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

104 18/29b: “Say (Muhammad*), ’The Truth is from your Lord (Allah*)”. No omniscient god is behind a book of a quality like the Quran.

105 18/29c: “Say (Muhammad*), ’The Truth is from your Lord (Allah*)”. Allah’s words as presumed “referred” in the Quran at best is partly the truth - mind all the mistakes, etc.

106 18/29d: "- - - The Truth - - -". See 13/1g above and 40/75 below,

107 18/29e: “- - - let him who will, believe, and him who will, reject (Islam*) - - -.” Muhammad changed his mind as his power grew after 622 AD: This verse contradicts (and abrogates) at least these verses (here are 88 out of the 124 Muslim scholars say are abrogated by 9/5): 2/109, 2/190, 2/256, 2/272, 3/20, 4/62, 4/81, 4/90, 5/3, 5/28, 5/48, 5/99, 6/60, 6/66, 6/70, 6/104, 6/107, 6/112, 6/158, 7/87, 7/188, 7/193, 7/199, 8/61, 9/68, 10/41, 10/99, 10/102, 10/108, 11/12, 11/121, 13/40, 15/3, 15/94, 16/35, 16/82, 16/125, 16/126, 16/127, 17/54, 18/29, 18/56, 19/39, 20/130, 21/107, 21/112, 22/49, 22/68, 23/54, 23/96, 24/54, 26/216, 27/92, 28/50, 28/55, 29/18, 29/46, 32/30, 34/25, 34/28, 35/23, 35/24a, 36/17, 39/41, 41/34, 42/6, 42/15, 42/48, 43/83, 43/89, 44/59, 45/14, 46/9, 46/135a, 46/135b, 46/135b, 50/39, 50/45, 51/50-51, 51/54, 52/45, 52/47, 53/29, 67/26, 73/10, 73/11, 79/45, 86/17, 88/22, 109/6. They are all quoted under 9/5. (At least 89 contradictions).

108 18/29f: "- - - for the wrongdoers We (Allah*) have prepared a Fire - - -". See 3/77b above.

109 18/29g: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". This normally is another - and not neutral - name for non-Muslims in the Quran.

110 18/29h: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

111 18/29i: "- - - a Fire - - -". Hell.

112 18/30a: "- - - those who believe - - -". Muslims.

113 18/30b: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that this is compared to the Quran's partly immoral and unjust code of moral, laws and codes for honesty and for war.

114 18/30c: "- - - verily We (Allah*) shall not suffer (good Muslims*) to perish the reward - - -". With all the mistakes in the Quran it is difficult to know what is verity and what not.

115 18/30d: "- - - verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

116 18/30e: "We (Allah shall not suffer to perish the reward of any who do a (single) righteous deed". Note that in the Quran it is mainly the balance of good and bad deeds which will decide if you will end in Paradise of Hell. In NT the love of Yahweh towards an honestly repenting and regretting sinner counts heavily. (But the Muhammad needed warriors, and waging war for Muhammad/Allah was and is the best of deeds in the Quran.) Also here it is clear that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

117 18/30f: "- - - righteous - - -". See 18/30b above.

118 18/30g: This verse is one of the many promising Paradise to good and obedient Muslims. It is valid if Allah exists, if the Quran is from him, and if the Quran is fully truthful concerning this point.

###119 18/31a: A partly description of the Islamic Paradise. As you see it is like a poor and naive person’s vision of an earthly king's luxurious life, with good food and drinks and lots oe women. Very different from the Bible's Paradise where people become "like angels" (Luke 20/3), not to mention: "For the Kingdom of God/Yahweh is not a matter of eating and drinking (or sex*) - - -", (Rom.14/17). Not to mention ""When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven" (Mark12/25). Definitely not the same gods - their paradises are extremely different. Yet another proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same one - the differences are so extreme between the two paradises, that this proof must be set to 200% sure.

120 18/31b: "For them (Muslims*) will be the Gardens of Eternity - - -". It the Quran tells the full and only truth, and if Allah exists and is not from the dark forces (if he exists and is behind the Quran, he is no god - too much is wrong in that book.

121 18/31c "- - - Gardens of Eternity - - -". Paradise - but 11/108c indicates that may be it is not for all the eternity.

122 18/31d: "- - - beneath them (in Paradise*) rivers will flow - - -". The most frequently used Arabism in the Quran - see 4/13d above.

123 18/31e: “- - - they (the Muslims in Paradise*) will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold - - -“. Very nice – except that:

22/23: “- - - they (the Muslims in Paradise*) shall be adorned with bracelets of gold and pearls - - -.”

76/21: “- - - they (the Muslims in Paradise*) will be adorned with bracelets of silver - - -.”

A minor, but clear contradiction. 1 or 2 depending on how strictly you judge.

124 18/31f: "How good a recompense (Paradise*)". Please read everything you find about the paradise in the Quran: You find riches, good clothes, good food and drink, good house, nice place and climate, plenty of sex - at least for the men, laziness. You find nothing to do, nothing which happens, no mental activity. A very boring paradise in the long run - but likely the maximum an uneducated, primitive warrior in a hot desert country were able to visualizes - and may be those were the primitive dreams which formed this Paradise. But formed by whom? - any omniscient god could have made better than this.

"How beautiful a coach to recline on!" No comments.

125 18/32-42: Another story explaining that you should take it easy even if some have a better life than you. For one thing riches of this world may be lost, and for another thing may be you end in Paradise, whereas they do not. The logic is impeccable - if the Quran speaks the truth.

But it is too obviously a propaganda story, with a too obvious point - the stupid non-Muslim versus the good Muslim. Ok for primitive or naive souls who needs things over-explained. But not a well told story - we react negatively to tales for adults told for mental level around 7 years. And there is much in the Quran told for this mental level or a little higher - and oversimplified.

126 18/37a: “- - - Him (Allah*) Who created you out of dust - - -”. Wrong - man was not created out of dust. See 6/2b above. And even if it had been right: Who in reality did it? - there is no proof for that Allah did anything at all, let alone created anything..

*127 18/37b: “- - - Him (Allah*) Who created you out of dust, then out of a sperm-drop - - -”. Just half true. Humans are not made out of a drop of sperm - though the Quran says so repeatedly. Humans - and animals - are made out of sperm + an egg cell. Arabs knew a lot about fetuses (from slaughtering of animals), but an egg cell is so small, that one does not notice it - hardly possible to see in all the blood and intestines and gore, etc. - so the Quran tells the semen is “planted” like a seed in a woman and grows to a being. Muhammad did not know better as that was an accepted theory at his time – Greek and/or Persian “knowledge” originally - but an omniscient god had known - - - so who made the Quran?

128 18/38: "- - - He is Allah, my (a Muslim's*) Lord, and none shall I associate with my Lord". Impossible to associate anything with him in reality if he does not exist. And as the rumors about his existence only - only - is based on a book full of errors, dictated by a man with very doubtful moral, maybe he really do not exist. In that case - or if he belongs to the dark forces - it might be an idea to look around if there is a real god - or gods - somewhere.

129 18/39a: "Allah's will (be done)!" This is a very often repeated expression in Islam. It refers to the "fact" that Allah decides everything, and you should never forget that. It also may anger Allah if you do not say it, as this may indicate disrespect for his right to decide and for his power. This way of thinking at least partly is behind the fatalism you sometimes see among Muslims. On the other hand: If everything is predestined in accordance with a Plan which nothing can change, like the Quran claims, how can then the lack of these words change Allah's Plan?

130 18/39b: "There is no power but with Allah". This may be correct if Allah exists - no proof or unmistakable indication for this has ever been seen - if he is behind the Quran, and if the Quran in addition is truthful. Besides: If there are other gods - f.x. Yahweh - it is not true. (Very much is wrong in the Quran - perhaps also this claim).

131 18/40: "- - - something better - - -". Paradise.

132 18/42a: "Woe to me (non-Muslim*)! Would that I had never ascribed partners to my Lord (even for a non-Muslim here is indicated Allah*) and Cherisher!" As said other places: The Quran often is too oversimplified and over-obvious to be good literature. Much fits a mental age of 7 - 10 years (NB: We here talk about the literature quality of the book, not the religious aspect, or the linguistic side, etc.)

133 18/42b: "- - - partners to (Allah*) - - -". See 25/18a below.

134 18/44a: "- - - the (only) protection comes from Allah - - -". See 18/39b above.

135 18/44b: "- - - the (only) protection comes from Allah - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says that Yahweh is a good protector - and does not know about Allah, etc. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

136 18/44c: "- - - Allah, the True One." See 2/255a, 6/106b and 18/39b above.

137 18/44d: "- - - True - - -". See 2/2b above.

138 18/44e: "He (Allah*) is the best to reward, and the best to give success". See 18/39b above.

139 18/45a: "- - - the rain which We (Allah*) send down from the skies - - -". See 11/7a above.

140 18/45b: "But soon it (vegetation*) becomes dry stubble, which the wind scatter". Not in wet countries. Judging from the Quran, which is claimed to be a copy of the "Mother Book" in Heaven, Allah mainly is a god for the desert and has forgotten the rest of the world in his "Mother Book".

141 18/45c: "- - - it is (only )Allah Who prevails over all things". See 28/39b below.

142 18/46a: "Wealth and sons are allurements - - -". This says something about the Quran's view on women.

143 18/46b: "- - - but the things that endure, Good Deeds, are the best in the sight of thy (Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) - - -". And as the best of all deeds were to go on raids or to war for riches, captives/extortion and power for Muhammad/Allah, may be Muhammad also liked these words?

144 18/46c: "- - - Good Deeds - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. F. ex. some of the very best deeds are to fight and kill and steal for Muhammad and for his successors.

145 18/46d: "- - - Good Deeds, are - - - best as (the foundation for) hopes (about Paradise*)". See 18/46b above.

146 18/47a: "One Day We (Allah*) shall remove the mountains - - -". The Day of Doom.

147 18/47b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall gather them (people*), all together (at the Day of Doom*) - - -". If Allah exists and is a major god, and if the Quran in addition tells the truth about this. It actually is one of the many loose claims any believer can make on behalf of his/her god(s) as long as no proof is necessary.

148 18/47c: "- - - We (Allah*) shall gather them (people*), all together (at the Day of Doom*) - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says Yahweh, not Allah rules that day. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

149 18/48a: "And they (the resurrected dead*) will be marshaled before thy Muhammad’s/Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) in ranks’ (on the Day of Doom*) - - -". See 18/47c just above.

150 18/48b: "- - - We (Allah*) created you (humans') - - -". See 6/2b and 11/7a above, and 21/56c below.

151 18/48c: "- - - ye (non-Muslims'*) thought We (Allah*) shall not fulfill the appointment made to you (non-Muslims) - - -". No such an appointment is ever documented - there are claims, but that is all. But this is the start of a claimed punishment - see 3/77b above.

152 18/49a: "- - - the Book (of Deeds) - - -". The Quran tells that angels surround you and write down everything you do of good and bad in a book - the Book of Deeds. BUT WHY DOES A PREDESTINING, OMNISCIENT GOD NEED A BOOK?

Why? - if Allah is omniscient he knows everything without cumbersome books?

And why write down in books if necessary? - any god would know easier and more efficient methods - though Muhammad not.

153 18/49b: "- - - the sinful - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. We also may mention that just this word often covers very different deeds, acts, words, and thoughts in the Quran and Islam, than in more normal religions (Islam is a religion of war - in spite of its loud slogans), not to mention how much its meaning in the Quran often differs from the basic of all human moral; "do against others like you want others do against you". Read the surahs from Medina and weep.

154 18/49c: "Woe to us (non-Muslims, sinners*)! What a Book is this! (Etc.*)". See 3/77b above.

155 18/49d: "- - - and not one will thy (humans'*) Lord (Allah*) treat with injustice". If Allah has predestined everything man does, like the Quran states many places, it is VERY unjust to punish him/her for bad conduct he has forced them to commit. And for that case to reward others for good conduct he has made them do. Also there is no fair connection between the after all not too serious sins many have committed and the sadistic, everlasting punishment they get by the claimed good and benevolent god Allah.

156 18/49e: "- - - injustice". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

##157 18/50a: "- - - We (Allah*) said to the angels. 'Bow down to Adam.'". This is one of the more than 100% roofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. In Allah's paradise, man clearly have measurably higher standing than angels. In Yahweh's the lines are not as clearly told, but it is very clear that angels are of higher standing than man. Add this to man's life in the paradises: Allah's offer resurrection in body, top earthly luxury and plenty of women - and no mental activity. In Yahweh's the resurrected souls becomes like angels. There are nearly no similarities at all, and the differences are formidable. Not the same paradise - not the same gods.

158 18/50b: (A18/53 – omitted in 2008): “Behold, We (Allah*) said to the angels,’ Bow down to Adam’: they bowed down except Iblis. He was one of the Jinns - - -.” But here is a clear mistake – or more likely; A. Yusuf Ali’s religion and al-Taqiyya may have suppressed his honesty: The original Arab text here do not say he was a jinn: It says something like (translated from Swedish): “He (Iblis*) belonged to the multitude of invisible beings”. The text here honestly and clearly indicates that he was an angel before he became the Devil. On the other hand the Quran other places tells he was made from fire, which in case means he according to this book in reality was a jinn. This is one more place where the Muslim scholars agree that the text in the Quran is wrong (though they never say this in clear words) as it here clearly is indicated that Iblis was an angel.

159 18/50c: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". Normally this is "Quran-speak" for non-Muslims - a not neutral expression.

160 18/50d: "- - - wrongdoers - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

161 18/51a: "- - -(Allah's*) creation of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". The Quran's talk about creation always is a little interesting, because Allah never had proved the power for neither creating nor recreating even a virus, whereas Yahweh several times has showed he has the power at least of recreation - if the old books tell the truth.

162 18/51b: “- - - heavens - - -“. Plural and wrong. See 2/22d.

##163 18/51c: "- - - nor is it for Me (Allah*) to take as helpers such as lead (men) astray!" All the same many Muslim scholars think Iblis/the Devil is working for Allah, because Iblis could not - and cannot - run his Hell without the permission of Allah, and without being part of the omnipotent Allah's predestined Plan. This in case tells a lot about how good and benevolent Allah is.

164 18/52a: "One Day - - -". The Day of Doom.

165 18/52b: "- - - My (Allah's*) partners (other gods*)". See 6/107b above and 25/18a below.

166 18/52c: "- - - they (false gods*) will not listen to them (people*) - - -", The question is if Allah belongs to those "gods" - he has not unmistakably given one single answer since he was introduced to mankind 1400 years ago, and neither before (if he had, be sure Islam had told you and everybody else about it!)

167 18/52d; "- - - We (Allah*) shall make for them (non-Muslims*) a place for common perdition". See 18/39b and 3/77b above.

168 18/53a: "- - - the Sinful - - -". One of Muhammad's many repulsive names for non-Muslims, but in this case also including bad Muslims.

169 18/53b: "- - - the Sinful - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code - it f.x. is a great sin not to go on raids or wars to steal/rob, kill and suppress for Muhammad and his successors, in the name of Allah. Also see 18/49b above.

170 18/53c: "- - - the Sinful shall see the Fire - - -". = They shall end in Hell. See 3/77b above.

#171 18/53d: "- - - no means will they (the sinful*) find to turn away therefrom (Hell*)". As Yahweh and Allah has different definitions on what is sinful (one of the proofs for that they are different gods) - on some points very different - may be at least some of believers of Yahweh will not end in Hell all the same?

172 18/54: "- - - but man is, in most things, contentious". Or may be that at least some of them saw something had to be very wrong?

173 18/55a: "And what is there to keep back men from believing, now that guidance (the Quran*) has come to them?." Among other the fact that there are so much which is wrong in the Quran that it is clear it is not from a god. Also see 18/55b just below.

174 18/55b: “- - - now that guidance (the Quran) has come to them (the “unbelievers“)”. A book with so many mistakes is not really guidance.

175 18/55c: "- - - guidance - - -". See 2/2b above.

176 18/55d: "- - - praying - - -". But what is the use of praying, if Allah already has predestined your future according to his Plan - a Plan which nothing can change? Not to mention if it is true that he already before you were born, had decided whether you are to end in Hell or Heaven. According to Hadiths he decides on this at the same time as he gives you a soul 5 months before you are born.

177 18/55e: "- - - praying for forgiveness from their Lord (Allah*) - - -". There only are two who can forgive; the victim and a god. Unless Allah is a real god, he cannot forgive. There are too many indications for that he is an invented god.

178 18/55f: (A18/61): “- - - or the Wrath be brought to them face to face?” But the Arab word “qubulan” has 2 meanings: “face to face” and “in the future”. The alternative meaning then is something like: “- - - or the (ultimate) suffering should befall them (sinners*) in the hereafter.” To say the least of it: There is a certain distinction between meting something face to face – which on top of all has the underlying meaning fast – and to meet it sometimes in the future or in the next life. And these variants of course also are in the Arab text, as the relevant word(s) there has/have more than one meaning.

179 18/56a: “We (Allah*) only send the message to give glad tidings and to give warnings - - -.” This was in 622 AD, and shortly later Muhammad started to change his mind and Islam started to use the sword to get proselytes. This verse is contradicted and often “killed” by at least these verses: 2/191, 2/193, 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 4/90, 5/33, 5/72, 5/73, 8/12, 8/38-39 (the warning), 8/39, 8/60, 9/3, 9/5, 9/14, 9/23, 9/29, 9/33, 9/73, 9/123, 25/36, 25/52, 33/61, 33/73, 35/36, 47/4, 66/9. This includes many advising or permitting political, social, economical, etc. compulsion (with the sword in the background if you protest) – we mention a few here: 3/28, 3/85, 3/148, 4/81, 5/72, 5/73, 9/23, 14/7, 15/3, 33/73, 35/36. They are all quoted under 2/256. (At least 29 contradictions).

180 18/56b: "- - - glad tidings - - -" Not unless the Quran really is completely and only from a god. Also see 2/97i above and 61/13 below.

181 18/56c: "- - - the Unbelievers dispute with vain arguments - - -". This hardly is said by anyone neutral. Besides it is not necessary to use any arguments, as the Quran itself proves something is very wrong: No omniscient god makes mistakes, and the Quran is full of such ones. Also see 13/1g above and 4075 below.

182 18/56d: "- - - the Unbelievers - - -". One of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims.

183 18/56e: “- - - in order therewith to weaken the truth (the teachings of Muhammad/the Quran*), - - -”. To repeat the reality: With so many mistakes in the Quran, it can maximum be partly true.

184 18/56f: “- - - My (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

185 18/57a: "And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord (Allah*) but turns away from them - - -". As there never existed any unmistakable signs for Allah (see f.x. 2/39b above), this has little relevance. This may mean Muslims leaving Islam - few sins are greater, and at times and places there have been and are harsh punishment for this - official and/or private.

186 18/57b: “- - - Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

187 18/57c: "- - - the (deeds) which his (a person's*) hand has sent forth - - -". Good and bad deeds a person has done in this life, and on basis of which Allah will judge him/her on the Day of Doom.

188 18/57d: "Verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

189 18/57e: "Verily We (Allah*) have set veil over their (sinners'*) hearts lest they should understand this - - -". Allah refuses them to find the right way, and then punishes them for not finding it - all history shows that at least a few had found it if they had the chance. Yahweh the same god as Allah? Nyet - a strong English word for NO.

190 18/57f: "- - - guidance - - -". See 2/2b above.

191 18/58a: "(Allah*) is Most Forgiving - - -." He can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

192 18/58b: "(Allah*) is Most Forgiving - - -." Please read the surahs from Medina - that means the youngest ones and thus the ones little abrogated (little is made invalid) and the most unjust parts of the sharia laws, and see if you agree.

193 18/58c: "(Allah is*) Full of Mercy." For us this is even more difficult to agree to, than to 18/58b - see that comment plus 1/1a above.

194 18/58d: "- - - surely - - -". See 2/2b above.<(p>

185 18/58e: “- - - but they have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge.” Predestination once more: Allah has decided when their end will come.

196 18/58f: "- - - appointed time - - -". = Predestination. This is one more 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Yahweh can decide that things are going to happen, and make it happen. But predestination like Allah uses 100% according to the Quran, does not at all exist.

197 18/58g: (YA2402): “But they (non-Muslims*) have their appointed Time, beyond which they will find no refuge.” But the meaning of the Arab “min duni hi” may not point to the time, but to “your Lord” at the beginning of the verse. Then you get the meaning: “- - - and except with Allah, they will find no refuge.” Same Arab words – different meaning. Clear language?

198 18/59a: "- - - the populations We (Allah*) destroyed - - -". Allah was and is(?) a bloody god, far worse than Yahweh in OT before the new covenant, not to mention compared to the new covenant in NT.

199 18/59b: “- - - We (Allah*) fixed an appointed time for their destruction”. Predestination. Humans may do this or that, but Allah decides.

200 18/59c: "- - - appointed time - - -". = Predestination. This is one more 100% proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god. Yahweh can decide that things are going to happen, and make it happen. But predestination like Allah uses 100% according to the Quran, does not at all exist.

201 18/60-82: A story about Moses you do not find in the Bible, (contradiction to the Bible). As the Bible is the only possible source for information about Moses (as it is clear the Quran with all its mistakes is not from a god), one can speculate on from where this story is.

202 18/60a: "- - - Moses - - - his attendant - - -". Two historical anomalies.

203 18/60b: "- - - the junction of the two seas - - -". One does not know what this refers to. There are guesses, but that is it. The famous clear language in the Quran.

##204 18/61a: "- - - their Fish, which took its course through the sea (straight) as in a tunnel". Here Yusuf Ali has used a rather "free" translation, perhaps to avoid some unbelievable text. The correct Arab text is (translated from Swedish (A18/69 - the English 2008 edition has omitted most of it): "(the fish) found its way to the sea by digging (burrowing) its way to it". Some fish! - and the translations tells something about how reliable some Islamic texts are when the Quran is difficult to believe.

205 18/61b: " - - - their fish - - -". Is it here a coincidence that a fish is an old religious symbol which was much used during the early centuries of our time, for Christ?

206 18/62: "- - - Moses - - - his attendant - - -". Two historical anomalies.

207 18/63a: "He (the attendant*) replied - - -". A historical anomaly.

208 18/63b: "He (the attendant*) replied: 'Sawest thou - - -'". How could this end up in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100% like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this:

When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.

The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different.

The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing") can change.

Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, 7/34a, and 14/22b above.

209 18/63c: "I (the servant*) did indeed forget (about) the fish - - -". A likely story: He saw a fish brought for food (= a dead fish) making its way from a rock to the sea and then through the sea and forgot to tell about it. Nobody would forget to do that.

210 18/64a: "Moses - - -". A historical anomaly.

211 18/64b: "Moses said: 'That is what we were seeking after,". The story in verses 18/60-65 does not give much meaning in the Quran, but according to tradition Moses should meet a wise man at an unknown place, and the disappearance of the fish should be the mark for that they now were at the right place.

112 18/65a: "- - - one of Our (Allah's*) servants - - -". This man is not named in the Quran, but according to Muslim tradition his name was al-Khidr (al-Khidr means "the green one"). He is a wise man from old Arab folk tales.

213 18/65b: "- - - knowledge - - -". See 26/83a above.

214 18/66a: "Moses said to him (al-Khidr*) - - -". 2 historical anomalies.

215 18/66b: "- - - the (higher) Truth - - -". Perhaps - as it refers to something outside the Quran.

216 18/67a: "(The other (al-Khidr*)) said - - -". A historical anomaly.

217 18/67b: "Verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

218 18/69a: "Moses - - -". A historical anomaly.

219 18/69b: "- - - (truly) - - -". See 2/2b above.

220 18/70: "(The other (al-Khidr*)) said - - -". A historical anomaly.

223 18/71b: "Truly - - -". See 2/2b above.

224 18/72: "He (al-Khidr*) answered - - -". A historical anomaly.

225 18/73: "(Moses) said - - -". A historical anomaly.

226 18/74a: The slaying of the young boy: See 18/80 below.

227 18/74b: "Moses - - -". A historical anomaly.

228 18/74c: "Truly - - -". See 2/2b above.

229 18/75: "He (al-Khidr*) answered - - -". A historical anomaly.

230 18/76: "(Moses) said - - -". A historical anomaly.

231 18/77a: "(Moses) said - - -". A historical anomaly.

232 18/77b: "- - - surely - - -". See 2/2b above.

233 18/78: "He (al-Khidr*) answered - - -". A historical anomaly.

##234 18/80a: Moses and a wise man that in Islam (not in the Quran) is named al-Kadir or Al-Khidr ("the green one") are in a legend retold in the Quran on a long walk. They meet a young man whom the wise man without being provoked slays (18/74). Later he explains that the reason was that “we feared that he would grieve” his good Muslim parents. If that is enough to kill their son, it is no doubt that Muslims – his parents – were much better than non-Muslims, and perhaps that apostates – at least bad ones, deserve to be killed? No matter: That it is better to kill even their children than to perhaps - perhaps - meet problems, tells much about ethic and moral in Islam. And does it tell something about Muhammad and the Quran that they use legends for true stories in the "holy" book?

235 18/80b: "- - - people of Faith - - -". Muslims.

236 18/80c: "- - - Faith - - -". Islam - only Islam is faith according to the Quran.

237 18/81a: "So we (al-Khidr*) desired that their Lord (Allah*) would give them (a claimed Muslim couple at the time of Moses = 2000 years before Muhammad*) a (better son* - - -". The parent's affection for their son and the son's wish to live was of no interest.

238 18/81b: "So we (al-Khidr*) desired - - -". A historical anomaly.

239 18/82: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that this is compared to Muhammad's somewhat special (im)moral code.

240 18/83a: "They (people*) ask thee (Muhammad*) - - -". Historical anomalies.

241 18/83b: "They ask thee (Muhammad*) concerning Dhu'l-Quarnayn". See 18/63b above.

###242 18/83c: "They ask thee (Muhammad*) concerning Dhu'l-Quarnayn." Dhu'l-Quarnayn was an Arab name for Alexander the Great (!!) (he lived around 340 BC)

Alexander the Great is a man one does not expect to find as a hero in a “holy book”. But in the Quran you find him – mainly in surah 18.

The book uses an Arab name for him: Dhu’l Quarnayn – "the two-horned one" (horn was a symbol for power). But it is well known in history that this was a name used for Alexander in Arabia. In addition there are facts like the description made by the well known Muslim scholar Ibn Hisham (around 900 AD) in his comments to Ibn Ishaq’s “The Life of Muhammad”: “Alexander was a Greek and he founded Alexandria”. Alexander really was from Macedonia, but he also was king of Greece, and it is very elementary knowledge that he founded Alexandria (in Egypt) – and gave it his name.

You will find Muslims who vehemently oppose this fact, because it makes an extremely unbelievable story even worse: Every educated person know that here something is horribly – not to say laughably – wrong. Alexander was not involved in stupidities like this, and he definitely was no Muslim, but a polytheist. Some Muslims even try to use the mistake the book makes by telling he is a good Muslim, as a proof for that Dhu’l Quarnayn cannot be Alexander, because today we as said know he was a polytheist. The trouble is that Muhammad’s uneducated follower in 622 AD when this surah is dated, did not have the faintest idea about that – Allah (or at least Muhammad) told it, and then it had to be true! But there is no doubt: Dhu’l Quarnayn is Alexander the Great. In some translations of the Quran – f. ex. Dawood – you even will find they simply write Alexander the Great instead of Dhu’l Quarnayn in the Quran.

242 18/84a: "Verily - - -". See 272b above.

243 18/84b: "- - - and We (Allah*) gave him (Alexander the Great*) the ways and means to all ends". Alexander was the son of the Macedonian king Philip, and became a king after his father's death. May be it was a god who gave him his means or maybe there was logical reasons for them. Somewhat similar to 11/7a above.

244 18/85a: "One (such) way he (Alexander the Great*) followed - - -". History knows the travels of Alexander quite well, and this claimed travel is a made up one. Alexander never came further west than Macedonia in the north and Egypt in the south.

245 18/85b: "One (such) way he (Alexander the Great*) followed - - -". See 18/63b above.

246 18/86a: (A18/84 – in 2008 edition A18/85): “Until, when he (Dhu'l Quarnayn/Alexander the Great*) reached the setting of the sun , he found it set in a spring of murky water". The sun simply does not set on Earth - neither in water or on land. And the sun sets in no "spring of murky water" in any of those two places.

247 18/86b: (A84 – in 2008 edition A85): “Until, when he (Dhu'l Quarnayn/Alexander the Great*) reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water”. In this case A. Yusuf Ali – like mostly – has a correct translation. The Arab word “ayn” normally means a spring. Muslims has a tendency to claim that “many philologists” also tell it can mean “abundance of water”, “a large body of water” or similar. This even though if he had seen even a murky Pacific Ocean, it only had been a tea-spoon compared to the real size of the sun - far, far too Small. Not to mention that the real sun is far, far too hot close up. Then they - “forgetting” the word “murky” (there exist no murky ocean and hardly any murky really big lake in the area) - happily go on to explain that he must have seen the reflecting of the sun in the sea or ocean, a sight Alexander had seen hundreds of times before and never had mistaken for what he was looking for according to the Quran. When religious people have to choose between truth, reality and religious “Truth”, both truth and reality can walk west singing a song. Here the text is clear – but Muslims make up other meanings to flee from an obvious mistake in the Quran. It is not the only place in the book.

248 18/86c: “- - - he (Alexander) reached the setting of the sun, - - -”. To reach the setting of the sun means to go west. In addition to all the other mistakes in this story we know that Alexander never went west (the furthest west he ever was, was his homeland Macedonia north of Greece, and Egypt). See also 18/86b and 18/86c just below.

**249 18/86d: “- - - when he (Alexander) reached the setting of the sun - - -”. Anyone who knows two millimeters about geography and astronomy knows this is wrong and ridiculous to the extreme: The sun does not set on Earth – and absolutely in a pond of dirty water. Also see 18/86a and 18/86c just above and just below.

***250 18/86e: “- - - he (Alexander the Great*) found it (the sun*) set in a spring of murky water”. This statement - or fairy tale - deserves a series of exclamation marks - anyone who has finished primary school, knows among other these facts:

The sun is too big to settle anywhere on Earth.

Not to mention that it is far too big to settle in a pond - murky or not.

And that if the sun ever came within a million kilometers or miles from the Earth, there would be no spring or pond any more.

Muhammad did not know the size or temperature of the sun – (he even seems to believe it was a flat disk that could be folded up) - but an omniscient god had known. Who made the Quran?

Muslims try to “explain” it by f. ex. telling that what he saw was the reflex of a sunset in a spring. Think of the great warrior king Alexander - riding west and west and west with his men, day after day and week after week to find the place where the sun set. Then one day he hits upon one more pond - even one with dirty water. When he stands so that that dirty spring is in the straight line between him and the sun, he sees the red and yellow mirror image of the sunset in the muddy surface - a sight he has seen time and again and again before on the surfaces of ponds and springs and rivers and lakes and seas - and he hails his men: “Now we have reached our goal!! Here is where the sun sets!! Now let’s go back and tell about our great discovery“.

Believe it whoever wants.

But whoever believes it needs to see a professor of history - or a psychologist to mend his brain. (Also see 18/86a and 18/86b above.)

Besides: We know from history that Alexander never went west.

Some Muslims also tries to explain that Dhu'l-Quarnayn was not Alexander the Great. For this see 18/83 in the "complete" list of mistakes.

251 18/86f: "O Dhu'l Quarnayn!" A historical anomaly.

252 18/86g: "- - - to punish them (the locals by the murky spring*) - - -". For what?

253 18/87a: "He (Alexander the Great*) said - - -". A historical anomaly.

254 18/87b: "He (Alexander the Great*) said: 'Whoever - - -". See 18/63b above.

255 18/87c: "- - - doth wrong - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

256 18/87d: "- - - a punishment unheard of (before)". See 3/77b above.

257 18/88a: "But whoever believes (= is a good Muslim - only Muslims believe according to the Quran*) - - - he shall have a goodly reward - - -". Here the polytheist war king Alexander the Great is claimed to be a good Muslim who wants to reward other good Muslims nearly 1000 years before the first known Muslim, Muhammad. Believe it if you want.

258 18/88b: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that when words like this is used in the Quran, they refers to Islam's partly immoral moral code.

259 18/89a: "Then followed he (Alexander the Great*) (another) way". Alexander came quite far east - as everyone who has seen the great film about him knows. But he never came to the place where the sun rises - see 18/90 just below.

260 18/89b: "Then followed he (Alexander the Great*) (another) way". See 18/63b above.

261 18/90a: “- - - he (Alexander*) came to the rising of the sun - - -”. It is not physically possible to come to the place where the sun rises from the Earth like the Quran indicates, because it does not rise from the Earth - and if it had, both Alexander and the Earth had been rather fried. Also see 18/86a-d above. Any god had known this - then who made the Quran?

262 18/90b: “- - - he (Alexander*) came to the rising of the sun - - -”. A historical and a geographical anomaly.

263 18/92a: "Then followed he (Alexander*) (another) way - - -". A historical anomaly.

264 18/92b: "Then followed he (Alexander the Great*) (another) way". See 18/63b above.

265 18/93a: "Until, when he (Alexander the Great*) reached - - -". A historical anomaly.

266 18/93b: "Until, when he (Alexander the Great*) reached (a tract) between two mountains - - -". Nobody knows where this tract was. And worse: If it had existed, closing in the two big tribes Gog and Magog until the Day of Doom like the Quran and the Hadiths tell, it had been found by now.

267 18/94a: "They (the tribe he met*) said: 'O Dhu'l Quarnayn!" Historical anomalies.<

268 18/94b: "They (the tribe he met*) said: 'O Dhu'l Quarnayn! - - -". See 18/63b above.

*269 18/94c: “- - - Gog and Magog - - -”. These are from the Bible - and f.x. Muhammad Azad uses this as an alibi for the names in the Quran (A18/95), without mentioning anything more. But in 1. Mos. 10/2 and 1. Chr. 1/5 the name Magog just is the name of a grandson of Noah, and not given as a founder of a tribe. The other name, Gog, is not mentioned. More relevant are the tales about Gog and Magog in Ezekiel, chapters 38 and 39: King Gog of Magog - or more exactly: "- - - Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (tribes, towns or areas*)(Ez.38/3) - - - of the land of Magog (Ez.38/2 - also see Ez. 39/11). And they will all be dead and buried (Ez.39/11) and thus also cannot be the people we meet in the Quran. Finally Gog and Magog are mentioned in Rev.20/8, but there the names are used for all humans: "- - - the nations in all four corners of the world - - -". None of these in reality 3 cases corresponds to Gog and Magog in the Quran even though the names clearly are taken from the Bible - 2 wild tribes according to the Quran. We may add that many Muslim scholars believe Gog and Magog represent the Tatars and the Mongols who fought terrible wars against Muslims. But they lived some 1500 years after Alexander, and cannot be the ones he is claimed to have met. When Islam met mighty and bloody opponents, the opponents were terrible and devilish and Gog- and Magog-like. When Muslims did the same and worse against others - their history is horrible at times - they were heroes. Strange don't you think so?

270 18/95a: “He (Alexander*) said: ’(The power) in which my Lord (Allah!!!*) has established me is better - - -”. The Quran clearly indicates that Alexander was a pious Muslim (some 950 years before Muhammad!). To make an understatement: That is wrong. Alexander was a polytheist. (Muslims sometimes try to use this mistake as a proof for that Dhu’l Quarnayn was not Alexander). Also see 18/96a, 18/96b and 18/96c below.

271 18/95b: “He (Alexander*) said - - -". A historical anomaly.

272 18/95c: “He (Alexander*) said - - - 'I will erect - - -'". See 18/63b above.

273 18/95-97: A people that lived in a valley were terrorized by two other people - Gog and Magog. They (the locals*) asked Alexander the Great for help. He said: “I will erect a strong barrier between you and them - - -". And he built a huge wall - which in real life had been to no avail after a short time.

274 18/96a: "Bring me blocks of iron”. And he let (Alexander the Great*) build a wall of iron blocks produced by the locals straight across the valley, strong enough to be impossible for the people of Gog and Magog to get through, and tall enough to be impossible to get over even with the longest ladders.

But nowhere on the entire earth there existed that much iron blocks around 330 BC – blocks of iron the locals were asked to bring him. (Note here that 18/93 tells the wall had to cross “(a tract) between two mountains” under which mountains a people lived – the wall had to have some length to cross “a tract” big enough for a whole people to live – it took a lot of iron blocks.) Also remember that iron was expensive at that time – it took a lot of work to make it. The locals had to be very rich to have that much iron. (Relevant here - even though it is some 500 years older - may be what is said about the enormously rich king Solomon in 1. Chr. 22/3: "He provided a large amount of iron to make nails for the doors of the gateways (of the Temple in Jerusalem*) and for the fittings". For a king so rich that he reckoned his gold in tons, this was "a large amount". Alexander asked for at least some tens of thousand times as much). Contradicts historical reality (and besides the story is naïve and ridiculous – there exists no valley big enough to feed two big tribes with only one possible entrance. And even if impossible to get over, then it was possible to dig under – fire and water could get you through even rocks if you had time.)

See also 18/86a – 18/86b – 18/86c above.

**275 18/96b: “At length, when he (Alexander - or really the workers making the wall*) had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, he said, ’Blow (with your bellows)’. Then, when he had made it red as a fire - - -”. It would not be possible to make the whole of such a big wall red like fire at around 340 BC. They neither had the means - that kind of fire - nor the technology. It would be more than difficult even today. Fairy tale.

**276 18/96c: “Then, when he (Alexander the Great) had made it (red) as fire, he said: ’Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead” (Dawood says bronze).

We do not think there any one place on Earth was enough lead - or bronze - for such a job.

Even if they did, metal was expensive - the locals had to be very rich to have so much lead/bronze. And this goes even more so for enough iron blocks to build a huge wall.

It would not be technically possible to heat such a big and long wall to “make it (red) as fire” ca. 340 BC - it is hardly possible today - for pouring the lead/bronze over it.

To include the rest of the story about Gog and Magog: Thy will be unable to get out of their big valley – it has to be big to feed that many until they are released as a warning about the approaching of the Final Day. But even today nobody has found their valley – not even on a satellite photo. It must be a well hidden big valley.

277 18/96d: “- - - he (Alexander*) said - - -". A historical anomaly.

278 18/96e: “- - - he (Alexander*) said - - - 'Blow - - -'". See 18/63b above.

279 18/97: "Thus they (Gog and Magog*) were made powerless to scale it (the wall*) or dig through it". That wall had to be mighty high and quite thick = much iron/too expencive at best iron was expencive around 340 BC. Besides it still is ridiculous: They could dig under - by means of fire + water they could dig through even rock given some time. But the real screamer is that there exists not one single valley in this whole world big enough to feed two big peoples (that they were many is told another place in the Quran - "swarming over all hills"), with only one possible way out - they simply could walk around the wall. It takes a lot of naivety or strong wish to believe in stories like this.

280 18/98a: “He (Alexander*) said - - -". A historical anomaly.

281 18/98b: “He (Alexander*) said - - - 'I will erect - - -'". See 18/63b above.

282 18/98c: “This is a mercy from my Lord (Allah*)”. Wrong. Alexander the Great was no Muslim, but a polytheist. Contradicting historical facts. There are a bit too many such cases, too, in the Quran.

283 18/98d: "- - - the promise of my (Alexander's*) Lord (here wrongly indicated Allah*) is true". Never since long before Alexander the Great and till today there has ben one single proved case of a promise from Allah which has come true.

284 18/98e: "- - - true - - -". See 2/2b above.

285 18/99a: "On that day - - -". The Day of Doom.

286 18/99b: "- - - We (Allah*) shall collect them all (humans*) together". If Allah exists and is a major god, and is ruling the world according to what the Quran tells.

287 18/99c: "- - - We (Allah*) shall collect them all (humans*) together". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells it is Yahweh who will do this. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

288 18/100a: "And We (Allah*) shall present Hell that day - - -". The Day of Doom.

289 18/100b: "- - - Unbelievers - - -". = One of Muhammad's many negative names for Non-Muslims.

290 18/101a: "(Unbelievers) whose eyes had been under a veil from Remembrance of Me (Allah*), and who had been unable to hear". Allah made it impossible for them to search for Paradise, but he is going to punish them strictly for it. No comments except: Yahweh and Allah the same god? Very obviously no.

291 18/101b: "(Unbelievers) - - -". = One of Muhammad's many negative names for Non-Muslims.

292 18/102a: "Do the unbelievers think that they can take My (Allah's*) servants as protectors beside Me?" This is an attack on the Catholic belief in saints, and it may well be it is correct - the idea of saints is not found in the Bible.

293 18/102b: "- - - Unbelievers - - -". = One of Muhammad's many distaste inducing names for Non-Muslims.

294 18/102c: "Verily - - -". See 2/2b above.

295 18/102d: "Verily We (Allah*) have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers - - -". See 3/77b above.

296 18/103: "Say (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

297 18/104: "Those whose effort have been wasted in this life - - -". One of Muhammad's negative names for non-Muslims.

298 18/105a: "- - - those who deny the Signs of their Lord (Allah*) - - -". One more of Muhammad's many negative names for non-Muslims.

299 18/105b: “- - - Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

300 18/105c: "- - - the fact - - -". See 2/2b. Words like "fact" needs to be checked extra thoroughly, as Muhammad and other Muslims have a tendency to call unproved claims or statement "facts".

301 18/105d: "- - - the fact of their (non-Muslims'*) having to meet Him (Allah*) (in the Hereafter) - - -". Wrong: This is a claim, and even though it is repeated many times in the Quran, it is just a claim, not a fact.

302 18/105e: "- - - nor shall We (Allah*) on the Day of Judgment, give them (the work/deeds of non-Muslims*) any weight". But perhaps f.x. Yahweh will - at least some of the non-Muslims (though may be few of the Muslims - many are too far from "do unto others like you want others do unto you").

303 18/105f: "- - - nor shall We (Allah*), on the Day of Judgment, give them (non-Muslims*) any weight". The minimum requirement for giving or not giving them any weight, is that Allah exists and is not a made up god.

304 18/106a: "That is their (non-Muslims*) reward, Hell, because they rejected faith - - -". See 3/77b above, and also 18/106a just above.

305 18/106b: "That is their (non-Muslims*) reward, Hell, because they rejected faith - - -". Contradicted by the Bible - according to the contents and f.x. moral rules of the Bible, many on contrary will evade Hell and gain Paradise by rejecting the Quran and Islam - that religion(?) is too far away from Yahweh, and especially from his New Covenant and Jesus. Also see 67/9c below - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

306 18/106c: "- - - faith - - -". Islam - only Islam is faith according to the Quran.

307 18/106d: “- - - Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39 above.

308 18/106e: "- - - My (Allah's*) Messengers (included Muhammad*) - - -". See 9/88b above and 63/5a below.

309 18/107a: "- - - those who believe - - -". = Muslims.

310 18/107b: "- - - righteous deeds - - -". Beware that when words like this is used in the Quran, they refers to Islam's partly immoral moral code.

311 18/107c: "- - - the Gardens of Paradise - - -". See 10/9f above.

312 18/108a: "Wherein (Paradise*) they (Muslims*) shall live (for aye) - - -". See 11/108c which indicates may be not quite forever.

313 18/108b: "- - - no change will they (Muslims in Paradise*) wish from them (the Gardens of Paradise*)". Well, the Paradise like it is described in the Quran, is a good, but very boring place - a place where nothing happens, nothing to do, and with no mental activity. You have to be doped down - or very primitive and/or simpleminded - not to wish for something more. Which any god had known.

314 18/109a: "Say (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

315 18/109b: One more of Muhammad's big, but never documented claims. Cheap words or reality?

316 18/110a: "Say (Muhammad*) - - -". A historical anomaly.

#317 18/110b: "I (Muhammad*) am but a man like yourselves (Muslims*) - - -". And among other things "I" thus am unable to perform miracles.

318 18/110c: "- - - the inspiration (the Quran*) has come to me (Muhammad*) - - -". That is just the central question: It was not inspiration from a god - too much is wrong in the Quran. Was it inspiration from dark forces, like the ethical and moral codes may indicate? Was it "inspiration" from an illness - f.x. TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) like modern medical science suspects? Or was it all made by one or more men? Or a mix of two or three of these?

319 18/110d: "- - - the inspiration (the Quran*) has come to me (Muhammad*) - - -". The biblical prophets never got their information from the god by means of inspiration according to the Bible - in stark contradiction to what Muhammad often claimed (to make himself like them and thus being able to claim he was a real prophet) - but by direct contact, visions or dreams (4. Mos.12/5-8). One more indication for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

320 18/110e: "- - - your (peoples, Muslims?) god is one god - - -". See 2/255a, 6/106b above, 25/18a and 29/46ec below.

321 18/110f: "- - - righteousness - - -". Beware that when words like this is used in the Quran, they refers to Islam's partly immoral moral code.

322 18/110g: "- - - in the worship of (Allah*), admit no one as (Allah's*) Partner". Believers in other religions do not add gods to Allah - a claim Muhammad liked to make his own god more central (though in Arabia the old ones had gods in addition to al-Lah - the old Pagan god Muhammad transformed and renamed Allah - so with a little twisting he could claim so there). They simply did not and do not believe Allah exists, and believe in another or other god(s) - f.x. Yahweh.

323 18/110h: "- - - in the worship of (Allah*), admit no one as (Allah's*) Partner". But before you dismiss other god(s), check if Allah exists, if he in case had anything to do with the Quran - nothing of which is in any way proved - and if the Quran is true (at least it is from no god with all those mistakes). Also see 25/18a below.

Surah 18: Sub-total: 323 + 9695 = 10.018 comments.

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