MORE FAST-TALK IN THE QURAN - "EXPLAINING" AWAY DIFFICULT FACTS AND QUESTIONS

Comments in this book numbered by 3 numbers (included 00 or 0) a few places followed by one small letter = clear cases. Comments numbered by 00 or 0 followed by 1, 2 or 3 letters (big or small) = likely cases.

001 2/108: “Would ye question your Messenger (Muhammad*) as Moses was questioned of old? But whoever changeth from Faith (Islam*) to Unbelief (any other belief or not belief than Islam*), hath strayed without doubt from the even way”. According to the Quran Moses was asked to prove Yahweh/God by letting Israel/the Jews see him – and according to the same book that was a very wrong demand. Consequently it is wrong to ask Muhammad and Islam for proofs – not to see Allah, but all kinds of proofs (that Muhammad and Islam were and are unable to produce). Yes, it is worse than wrong – it is an indication of unbelief. Logic? – none, but convenient when proofs are impossible.

002 3/183: “They (non-Muslims/Jews*) (also) said: ’Allah took our promise not to believe in a Messenger unless he showed us a sacrifice consumed by fire (from heaven)’. Say: ’There came to you messengers before me, with Clear Signs and even with what ye ask for: why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?”

The first sentence is far from in accordance with the Bible or other Jewish scriptures.
Only a very few prophets used fire from heaven as a proof or at all to have brought such fire. Few of them are known to have been slain.Besides the logic is wrong: That they were said to slew some, does not disapprove that it was a minimum requirement.

Muhammad was asked for a proof. He was as always unable to prove anything at all, and found a – in this case not very good – way of “explaining it all away” so as to evade the question or demand.

Actually: In the book “The Message of the Quran”, certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy in Cairo (one of the 2-3 top universities in the Muslim world on such subjects) in a letter dated 27. Dec. 1998, it is admitted rather reluctantly that there are no proofs for Allah, and that it is not possible to prove him. An additonal point here is that if there are no proof for Allah and impossible to prove him, automatically there also is no proof for, and impossible to prove Muhammad's claimed connection to Allah.

003 6/7: “If We (Allah*) had sent unto thee (Muhammad*) a written (message) on parchment, so that they (Muslims and non-Muslims*) could touch it with their hands, the Unbelievers have been sure to say: ’This is nothing but obvious magic!’” Muhammad never ever was able to prove anything about what he told his mostly naïve and uneducated audience. But he got questions about and demands for such proofs many times from followers and others – this f. ex. is mentioned repeatedly in the Quran. He had to evade those questions and demands, and an obvious way was to find ways of explaining them away. Here the technique he uses is “No matter what proofs I produce, they will not believe anyhow, so why produce proofs at all?” Also swindlers and cheats use such techniques. It is obvious for anyone able to think for himself or herself that the logic is twisted – but the ones wanting to believe or very naïve might believe in it. What is more serious is that Muhammad was an intelligent man and a man knowing a lot about how to treat and sway people. There is no way he did not know he used twisted logic and dishonest psychology and story, and no way that he did not know that if he produced real evidence that would strengthen his followers enormously and make huge numbers of unbelievers become believers. In a short sentence: There is no way an intelligent man did not know this excuse was a lie.

004 6/8: “They (people*) say: ‘Why is not an angel sent down to him?’ If We (Allah*) did send down an angel, the matter would be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them”. This question – a proof by means of an angel – arose frequently. Muhammad’s often used “explanation” was this: Allah will not send down an angel until The Last Day (the Day of Doom). That means that if he sends down angles that day becomes the Last Day (“the matter will be settled at once”), and in that case the unbelievers would loose their chance to become believers (“- - - no respite would be granted them”.) This “explanation” is nonsense even according to the Quran. That book tells that the angel Gabriel visited Muhammad often, it tells that angels come down to fetch the souls of the dead, it tells that angels come down to fetch your soul when you fall asleep and to return it when you wakes up, it tells that angels surround you to note down your good and bad deeds – not to mention the thousands of angels Allah sends down to do battles together with Muslims time and again.

There was not one singe reason why Allah could not use one of the myriads of angles he daily and frequently sends down as a proof for Muhammad.

A very obvious bluff and a piece of fast-talk.

005 6/9: “If We (Allah*) had made it (the proof*) an angel, We should have sent him as a man, and We (= our proof/angel*) should certainly have caused them confusion in a matter (religion*) which they have already covered with confusion.”

There is no reason for Allah to camouflage an angel like a man.
The arrival of an angel – no matter in what gestalt as long as it was clear it was an angel – might only confuse the most sceptical ones. All the other would become believers.

Any intelligent man understanding people would know all this. Not to mention that any god, however tiny, would be sure to know it. Muhammad knew this was fast-talk – by himself, by a helper (if the Quran was made by a helper like some rumours said), or by Allah (if the Quran – or this piece of it – really was made by Allah). Muhammad was too intelligent and knew too much about people – he knew this was a lie – both that an angle had to look like a man, and that no unbeliever would believe if they got real proofs.

006 6/35: “- - - yet if thou wert able to seek a tunnel in the ground or a ladder to the skies and bring them (people – because also Muslims asked for proofs*) a Sign – (what good?)” Yes, the rhetoric question would be: What good would a real proof do? And the as rhetoric – but wrong because of twisted logic and even more twisted psychology – would be: Nothing, because the unbelievers would not believe anyhow. Who but deceivers need to twist logical and psychological facts? Also see 6/7 – 9.

007 6/37: “Allah hath certainly the power to send down a Sign, but most of them (people*) understands not (so it is no use*)”. A variety of Muhammad’s “explanations” for not being able to produce a single proof – only words.

008 6/109: “Certainly (all) Signs are in the power of Allah: but what will make you (Muslims) realise that (even) if (special) Signs came down, they (non-Muslims*) will not believe”. One more evasion so logically and psychologically wrong, that Muhammad had to know it was not true – a real proof had made all but the most die-hard non-Muslims believers. And it had strengthened the believers’ faith by a factor of at least 10. And once more a point where Muhammad had to know he was lying.

009 6/111: “Even if We (Allah*) did send unto them (non-Muslims*) angels, and the dead did speak unto them, and We gathered together all things before their very eyes, they are not the ones to believe, unless it is Allah’s plan”. This may be understood in two ways – both quite fast talk:

Another and strengthen variety of no. 6/109 and others.
Some of Muhammad’s audience questioned the obviously wrong logic and psychology in that clear proofs would not impress anybody, and needed a reason why not – the all-encompassing and ultimate answer to all difficult or unanswerable questions: It is Allah’s will. Sometimes the fastest of all fast-talk.

010 8/32-33: “Remember how they (non-Muslims*) said: ‘O, Allah, if this is indeed the Truth from Thee, rain down on us a shower of stones from the sky, and send us a grievous Penalty. But Allah was not going to send them a penalty whilst thou (Muslims*) wast among them; nor was He going to do it whilst they could ask for pardon.” Of course it was nice for Muslims that Allah would not risk hurting them when punishing the bad ones. But it would be no problem for a presumably omnipotent god to punish only the guilty ones – or to punish them after the group had split up and the Muslims were not mingled with the bad ones any more. For believers wanting to believe, and not used to – or trained in – critical thinking, it may have been a satisfying fast-talk/"explanation".

That Allah only would punish the bad ones after it was too late for them to ask for pardon (= the Day of Doom) may have added to the glee.

011 10/96-97: “Those (non-Muslims*) against whom the Word of thy Lord (Allah’) hath been verified (the words of Allah = the Quran have never in any place been verified – there ONLY are the words of Muhammad. Even worse: Muhammad/the Quran use a lot mistaken facts and invalid statements, “signs” etc. No omniscient god would ever do that*) would not believe, Even if every Sign was brought unto them - - -”. May be right they would not believe those signs, if one talks about the signs in the Quran not borrowed from the Bible, because not one of them is logically valid – they are just unproven statements anyone can use about his/her god(s). But real proofs would have had an effect. And Muhammad was more than intelligent enough to know that, and knew this argument was a lie.

012 13/32: “Mocked were (many) Prophets before thee (Muhammad*): but I granted respite to the Unbelievers, and finally I punished them - - -”. Know, O Muslims, that Muhammad is mighty, even if he is mocked and opposed. The only reason why Allah does not punish them is that for some reason in his unfathomable plan ha wants to wait for some time – but then they will be seriously punished!!

No further comments.

013 13/42: “Think (Muslims*) not that Allah doth not heed the deeds of those (non-Muslims) who do wrong (not become Muslims*). He but giveth them respite against a Day when the eyes will be fixed in horror (the Day of Doom*)”. The reason why bad people are not punished – many even living a good life – is that Allah in his unfathomable wisdom wants to wait – may be till the next life – but then they really will be punished (of course no proofs for these statements). Muhammad/the Quran use this kind of argument many times, especially to “explain” why many non-Muslims are rich and living a good life, whereas many Muslims are pore and live a miserable life (the last often is explained with that Allah just is testing you.) For believers an efficient fast-talk.

014 15/7+8: “’Why bringest thou (Mohammad*) not angels to us if it be that thou hast (speak*) the truth?’ We (Allah*) send not the angels down unless for just cause: if they came (to the ungodly), behold, no respite would they have (it would suddenly be the Day of Doom*).”

It is no just cause to prove to millions of non-Muslims that Islam is a true religion. See 6/8 above.

015 17/59: “And We (Allah*) refrain from sending the Signs (real proofs*) only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the She-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes - - -”. Thamud is the only example mentioned here – a tale “borrowed” from old Arab folk tales.

One thing is that we have never been able to understand how a camel could be a proof of Allah. (But actually the camel is part of an old Arab folk tale: It came out from a cliff and became a prophet for a god.) But just read the Bible – which the Quran “borrows” (and twists) many stories from – and you will see that real proof has effect (which is most natural). That it will have no effect just is fast-talk with somewhat bent logic and psychology – one of those any intelligent man knowing something about how people think and reacts was sure to know was untrue.

016 26/205-206: “Seest thou? If We (Allah*) do let them enjoy (this life) for a few years (anything is “few” compared to eternity*), Yet there comes to them at length the (punishment) which they were promised!” Even if you think it is unjust that non-Muslims do well and you not, calm down – it just is a result of Allah’s Plan and his endless wisdom, and rest assured; they will be punished in the next life and you come out on top.

017 32/29: “On the Day of Decision, no profit will be to the Unbelievers if they (then) believe!” Take it easy, the unbelievers will be punished in the next life – if not in this. Even if they try to save themselves in the end, there will be no pardon. Judgement will hit them. Of course it is not possible to prove this, but there are many words saying so. Many words only.

019 36/10: “The same is it to them whether thou (Muhammad*) admonish them or not admonish them: they (non-Muslims*) will not believe.” So why bother with f. ex. real proofs?

019 40/4: “None can dispute about the Signs of Allah but the Unbelievers”. The presumed signs (=indications or proofs) of Allah are indicated to be manifested realities, even though not a single one of them is proved – to dispute the “signs” means you are an unbeliever.

020 42/27: “If Allah were to enlarge the provision for His Servants (Muslims*), they would indeed transgress beyond all bounds through earth - - -“, - a seemingly rational reasons why to become a Muslim did not automatically mean to become well off: It is the will of Allah, of course.

POST SCRIPTUM FOR CHAPTER VI/9.

If you read the Quran, you will find more fast-talk when Muhammad meets difficult questions. Not overwhelmingly much, but a god would not need any at all – and also much more than a man with clean sheets of papers would need.

Someone without clean papers would need fast-talk now and then, however.

Look yourself – and judge for yourself.

A PS: In the book “The Message of the Quran”, certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy in Cairo (one of the 2-3 top universities in the Muslim world on such subjects) in a letter dated 27. Dec. 1998, it is admitted rather reluctantly that there are no proofs for Allah, and that it is not possible to prove him. An additonal point here is that if there are no proof for Allah and impossible to prove him, automatically there also is no proof for, and impossible to prove Muhammad's claimed connection to Allah. If there is no Allah and/or no connection between Muhammad and a god, what then is Islam? Is it all just fast-talk?

14. Feb. 09.

NB: If you find any mistakes anywhere, please inform us. If it is a real mistake, it will be corrected.

NB, NB, NB:

1. Read first the 2 small chapters "Some Essentials for how the Quran is to be read and understood" (VII-10-1) and "The Quran is to be understood literally if nothing else is indicated" (VII-10-2).

2. http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked by many Muslim authorities. To debate with persons in such areas, cut and paste what you want from the pages and send it under titles different from http://www.1000mistakes.com.

3. http://www.1000mistakes.com is one of 9 pages which Muslim organisetions warned especially against in 2008 and 2009 - it could make especially procelytes lose their belief in Islam; correct and "down-to-the-earth" information works. In this connection it is worth noting that in the "warning" http://www.1000mistakes.com was one of 3 which neither was accused of bringing wrong facts, nor of being a hate page.

4. Comment 141 (to verse 6/149) in “The Message of the Quran” (see point 5) explains (translated from Swedish) about Allah's claimed omniscience vs. man's claimed free will:

“With other words: The real connection between Allah’s knowledge about the future (and consequently about the unavoidable in what is to happen in the future*) on one side and man’s relatively (!!*) free will on the other – two statements that seems to contradict each other – lies outside what is possible for humans to understand, but as both statement are made from Allah (in the Quran*) both must be true”. Unbelievable. Blind belief is the only correct and intelligent way of life, even in the face of the utterly impossible!!

5. And an afterthought: In the book “The Message of the Quran”, certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy in Cairo (one of the 2-3 top universities in the Muslim world on such subjects) in a letter dated 27. Dec. 1998, it is admitted rather reluctantly that there are no proofs for Allah, and that it is not possible to prove him. An additonal point here is that if there is no proof for Allah and impossible to prove him, automatically there also is no proof for, and impossible to prove Muhammad's claimed connection to a god. And if there is no Allah and/or no connection between Muhammad and a god, what then is Muhammad? - and what than is Islam? - a made up, invalid religion?

6. Further: All the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in that book prove 100% that the Quran is not made by an omniscient god - no god makes such and so many mistakes, etc. If then Islam is a made up religion, what then about all the Muslims who have been prohibitted from looking for a real religion (if such one exists)? And where will they in case wake up after living and practising such an inhuman war religion like Islam is according to the Quran (and to Hadiths), if there is a second life somewhere? - Hell or Paradise?

7. NB and PS: No matter how sure you are about something, if it is not proved, it is not knowledge, only belief or strong belief, and can be wrong. Only what is proved or possible to prove is knowledge.

(As http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked in many Muslim areas - which shows they are afraid of it and lack arguments (if they had real arguments for http://www.1000mistakes.com is wrong, blocking was unneccessary) - "cut and paste" whatever you want from it and send if you want to inform or to debate there. Remember to omit the name http://www.1000mistakes.com).

PS: If we are blocked centrally - f. ex. by spam (there is too much at times already from unfriendly sources) we will reopen with new address somewhere else, and announce the new address om f. ex. http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam. Also if your comments to us do not reach us, any comments posted on a thread with "1000 mistakes" in the title on that forum will be read by us - it is a big international debate page. We cannot answer on that page, though, as it is not safe enough - we have had death threaths (better to kill an opponent, than to check if a religion brainwashed into you only on the word of a man who even practised lies (f. ex. "war is deceit") and advocated breaking even your oaths if that gave a better result, is true ot made up - old beliefs are hard to question).

Please inform all and everybody and all relevant fora - f. ex. Internet pages for debate or information - about the address http://www.1000mistakes.com. It is information that is urgently needed by many, not least by Muslims. No god made a book with so many mistakes and other wrongs - and if the Quran and Islam are made up by humans or dark forces, where are the followers of this inhumanly dark and brutal war religion heading for in a possible next life?