PART VII, CHAPTER 8 (= VII-8-0-0)

FACTS VS. CLAIMS, STATEMENTS, (INVALID) "SIGNS", (INVALID) "PROOFS", ETC. IN THE QURAN: THE QURAN AND ALLAH ACCORDING TO THE QURAN, MUHAMMAD, ISLAM, AND ALLAH

“IF ALLAH WILLED - - -“ OR - - BOASTING? IN THE QURAN, THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS AND ISLAM

(ADOLESCENT-LIKE(?) FAST-TALK).

Comments in this book numbered by 3 numbers (included 00 or 0) a few places followed by one small letter = clear cases. Comments numbered by 00 or 0 followed by 1, 2 or 3 letters (big or small) = likely cases.

There are many places in the Quran where Allah/Muhammad is telling what Allah could do - - - if he only willed. It sounds disquietly like childish boasting - “I could do that and that and that if I only wanted - or my father could”. Have you ever heard children bragging?

And who needs to boast and brag? Children and big-mouths and adolescents of all ages wanting to be in the top league or at least being socially respected, but knowing they are not able to prove themselves.

This fact strikes anyone reading the Quran for the first times - and it leaves questions why this behaviour and this slightly distasteful kind of argumentation is used in the Quran. For believing Muslims and for children/people told and imprinted that this is the actual truth and sure facts from they were babies, it of course sounds like stated facts - even if there like everything in Islam exists not one single proof for anything of real concequence. This even more so as they all their lives have been imprinted to accept what their religious authorities said for the full truth and nothing but the truth, and not to ask difficult questions.

Actually Islam - their learned religious leaders - already around 900 AD agreed on that now all the essential questions had been debated so much that everything of any consequence was clear and decided. For a time in Islam all new ideas even were prohibited, but later one found one had to accept some corrections to old customs and rules as long as they did not conflict with Islam. But as mentioned before: From around 1100 AD in east and central parts, and some 100 years later in the western parts of the Muslim area, there have come not one single new thought or idea bringing man forward in any aspect of life. The intellectual life of Islam and Muslims totally stagnated. Rhe final nail in the box was the book "The Incoherence of the philosophers" by the "greatest Muslim after Muhammad", Al-Ghazali, in 1095 AD. Even today we many places see that any new idea is bad - and as most new ideas and ways of life and even products come from the western culture, it of course is even worse.

Only Muslim ways - and that mostly means the old ways - are good. And if only Allah would, he could do anything. Just like an outsider youth wanting to, but unable to impress his surroundings with reality - a little bragging may help (and in Islam it did and does help - it impresses believing Muslims and proselytes).

You will have to judge yourself why this technique of bragging is so much used in the Quran - and why bragging was and is mecessary.

001 2/20a: “And if Allah willed, He could take away their (non-Muslims*) faculty of hearing and seeing; for Allah hath power ower all things”. But for 1400 years non-Muslims have had no reduction neither in seeing, nor in hearing.

002 2/220b: “And if Allah had wished, He could have put you into difficulties (if you do not behave yourself*)”. Well, most people run into difficulties sometimes. Perhaps - - -?

003 2/253: “If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other - - -”. Is it then f. ex. the will of Allah that Muslims have fought and killed and murdered and raped and suppressed each others for 1350 years? Not to mention what they have done to outsiders?

004 2/253: “If Allah had so willed, they had not fought each other, but Allah fulfilled His plan”. See 2/253 just above. And: Has it been Allah’s plan not to fulfil his plan (to conquer and suppress the rest of the world) for some 1400 years?

005 4/90: “If Allah had pleased, He could have given them (the non-Muslim enemies*) power over you - - -”. Non-Muslims have had power many places at times. But it hardly was because it pleased or displeased Allah - Islam in case will have to prove such a claim.

006 4/133: “If it were His (Allah’s*) Will, He could destroy you, O mankind, and create another race; for He hath power this to do”. Well, neither he nor Islam has been able to finish off mankind yet - though Islam and Muslims have done enormous destructions through the times. If Muslims will be able to finish off mankind in the future, it hardly will be because of Allah’s wish, but because of the sick and degenerated thoughts of fanatics being a lot more “Muslim” than Allah.

007 5/17: “- - - if His (Allah’s*) Will were to destroy Christ - - - his mother (Mary*), and all - everyone that is on the earth? (- Allah could do it*)”. Yes, and my father could beat up your father - have you ever heard angry or boasting children?

008 5/48: “If Allah had so willed, He would have made you (Muslims*) a single people - - -”. But local chiefs wanting power has made that impossible for some 1350 years. Either one Ummah is not according to Allah’s will, or the local chiefs or caliphs or whatever are stronger than Allah.

009 6/7: “If We (Allah*) had sent (a proof*) - - -”. But no proof was ever sent. Besides this argument is psychologically very wrong (claims that miracles/proofs would convince nobody) - proofs had made many believe.

010 6/35: “If it were Allah’s Will, He could gather them (non-Muslims) together unto true guidance - - - “. But he hitherto never has been able to.

011 6/37: “Allah hath certainly power to send down a Sign - - -”. But Muhammad never was able to produce anything but fast words and less than convincing “explanations”. That is to say: Muslims are indoctrinated to believe it - and not to think for themselves, but only to obey and believe the imam. Because of this many of them honestly and without thinking things over, believe that invalid claims are proofs.

012 6/41: “- - - if it be His (Allah’s*) will, He would remove (the distress) - - -”. He or nature or chance or yourself or a helper?

013 6/106: “If it had not been Allah’s Plan, they (non-Muslims*) would not have taken false gods - - -” There is a certain class of people that find out where people wants to go, then walks in front of them, telling everyone that they are leading the people. You often find them in politics and in organizations. They make us think of this verse. If only Allah willed - - -!

014 6/133: “- - - if it were His Will, He could destroy you - - -”. Well, he has not done so - able or not.

015 6/137: “If Allah had willed (he could have “saved” the pagans*)”. But Muhammad was able to “save” (make them Muslims) only some of them - the rest either were killed or they had to flee. And there still are some billions pagans and other non-Muslims in the world.

016 6/148: “If Allah had wished, we (people*) should not have (had other gods*) - - -” See 6/106 above. And: How cam Allah punish people for believing in other gods, when that belief is in accordance with his own wishes??!! - it is Allah who decides on beforehand anything after all, even your thoughts and acts according to the Quran.

017 7/155: “If it had been Thy Will Thou couldst have destroyed, long before, both them (the people*) and me”. But for some reason or other that has not happened.

018 7/176: “If it had been Our Will, We would have elevated him (a non-Muslim*) with our Signs.” Well, neither were there elevation, nor signs. Because it happened to be Allah’s will? - or because all this from no. 001 and down just was bragging and fast talk?

019 10/16: “If Allah had so willed, I (Muhammad*) should not have rehearsed it (the Quran*) to you - - -”. Small chances for that - Muhammad wanted followers.

020 10/99: “If it had been thy Lord’s (Allah’s*) Will, they would all have believed (in Islam*) - all who are on earth!” Far from all believe - not after 1400 years. That either means Allah does not want the majority to believe, but instead go to Hell - a good god? - or he is not able to make them believe in spite of the words via (?) Muhammad.

021 11/118: “If thy Lord (Allah*) had so willed, He could have made mankind one People - - -”. Either Allah really likes strife and war - really a benevolent god - or in reality he is unable to do this. Like someone bragging to impress acquaintances or girls.

022 12/31: “- - - had Allah (so) willed, He could have guided all mankind (to the Right!)”. Either Allah takes pleasure in letting generation after generation for 1400 years (and much more - all the way back to Adam) end in Hell, or Allah likes humans to fight and kill - - - or he is unable to prove his words. Bragging from Allah or from Muhammad in case?

023 14/19: “If He (Allah*) so will, He can remove you (man*) and put (in your place) a new Creation”. At least he never did - able to or not.

024 16/9: “- - -if Allah had willed, He could have guided all of you (man*).” See 10/99 above.

025 16/35: “If Allah had so willed, we (man*) should not have worshipped aught but Him - - -”. See 10/99 above.

026 16/61: “If Allah were to punish men for their wrongdoings - - - - - but He gives them respite for a stated (but unknown*) Term - - -”. Which means nothing has to be proved. Good for Muhammad who never was able to prove anything at all.

027 16/93: “If Allah so willed, He could make you all one People - - -”. See 11/118 above.

028 17/54: “- - - If He (Allah*) please, He granteth you mercy, or if He please, punishment - - -”. No matter what outcome this sentence is sure to be right. Really a good sentence for f. ex. Muhammad - always right no matter what happens. But it proves nothing.

029 17/86: “If it were Our (Allah’s*) Will, We could take away that which We have sent thee (Muhammad/Muslims*) by inspiration (= the Quran*) - - -”. One more threat Allah never fulfilled. Not his will or not able to - or not existing?

030 23/24: “- - - if Allah had wished - - - He could have sent down angels (as prophets*) - - -” But for some reasons he either did not wish that, even if that had been far more efficient - or he was not able to (or some human was bluffing?). A NB: Why does the Quran some places tell that Allah cannot prove Islam or Muhammad by sending down angels because that would mean it was the Last Day? Here he tells he could send down if he wanted, and other places he sends them down in the thousands to do battle together with Muslims, or to note down good or bad deeds, or to help. One or a few more would mean nothing for him. Is something a bluff or fast-talk?

031 25/45: “If He (Allah*) willed, He could make it (the shadows) stationary!” A good thing he did not will that, because the only way to do that, is to stop the Earth from revolving. Will or ability?

032 25/51: “Had it been Our (Allah’s*) Will, We could have sent a warner to every centre of population”. If he had been able to do so, he had saved billions of humans from going to Hell - if Islam tells the truth? Benevolence? Malevolence? Or inability to produce anything but the words?

033 26/4: “If (such) were Our (Allah’s*) Will, We could send down to them (non-Muslims*) from the sky a Sign, to which they would bend their necks in humility.” Really a super boast? - especially since Muhammad never was able to show even a mini-proof that was valid as a proof? Or a true statement from a “benevolent” god wanting the majority of humans going to Hell? Or just some bragging from the maker of the Quran to consolidate his power?

034 29/53: “- - - had it not been for a term (of respite) appointed (by Allah*), the Punishment would certainly have come to them (non-Muslims*) - - -”. Very well - then Muhammad had an explanation why “bad” people lived a good life, and he had to prove nothing - it just was Allah’s unfathomable will which did it.

035 32/13: “If We (Allah*) had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance - - -”. See 10/99.

036 33/24: “- - - Allah may reward the men of Truth (Muslims*) - - - and punish the Hypocrites if that be his Will - - -”. A sure way to always have an explanation: "If that be Allah’s will". And the same can explain any injustice Allah or Muhammad could not or would not rectify.

037 34/9: “If We (Allah*) wished We could cause the earth to swallow them up - - -.” Easy to say as long as you do not have to prove anything.

038 35/16: “If He (Allah*) so pleased, He could blot you (man*) out and bring in a New Creation”. Words are cheap as long as you brag - and it may have been bragging, because even if similar things were said other places in the Quran, it never was anything but words.

039 36/43: “If it were Our (Allah’s*) Will, we could drown them (mankind*) - - -”. See 35/16.

040 36/66: “If it had been Our (Allah’s*) Will, We could have blotted out their eyes - - -”. A bad deed in case, and it was not done - because of benevolence or inability?

041 41/14: “If our Lord (Allah*) had so pleased, He would certainly have sent down angles (to preach).” See 23/24.

042 42/8: “If Allah had so willed, He could have made them a single people - - -”. See 11/118 above.

043 42/24: “- - - if Allah willed, He could seal up thy heart.” A threatening statement - but only a statement (and we do not think some Muslim warriors and terrorists have much of a heart to seal up.)

044 42/29: “- - - He (Allah*) has the power to gather them (the living creatures*) together when He wills.” But as far as science knows, this has never happened since the first living beings populated the Earth. May be Allah has never willed? Or is the reason something else?

045 42/33: “If it be His (Allah’s) Will, He can still the Wind - - -”. That we can, too - - - as long as we do not have to prove it.

***046 43/20: “If it had been the will of (Allah) - - - we (pagans*) should not have worshipped such deities!” See 10/99 above.

047 43/60: “And if it were our (Allah’s*) Will, We could make angels from amongst you (non-Muslims*) - - -.” Then why not? - it had been a much more efficient way of saving the souls of people - if Muhammad spoke the truth - than prophets, terror and war. But may be Muhammad bluffed?

048 47/4: “- - -if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (non-Muslims*) (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you - - -”. One bluff and some fast-talk? Or reality? Besides: If Allah is omniscient, there is no reason for testing - he knows.

049 47/30: “Had We (Allah*) so willed, We could have shown them (the ones with a disease in their hearts = non-Muslims*) up to thee (Muhammad*) - - - “. But why make life easy for you?

050 56/65: “Were it Our (Allah’s*) Will, We could crumble it (the seed) to dry powder - - -”. Allah or the nature?

051 56/69: “Were it Our (Allah’s*) Will, We could make it (the rain) salt - - -”. And I can move a mountain if I don’t have to do it.

052 59/21: “Had We (Allah*) sent down this Quran on a mountain, verily, thou woulds have seen it humble itself and cleave itself asunder for fear of Allah”. The Quran has been on many mountains, and never a mountain humbled itself or cleaved itself asunder because of that. A very obvious bluff.

POST SCRIPTUM TO CHAPTER VII/8.

You will find some more ones if you go looking, but this is a most fitting last one. Reading verses like this, gives you a most strong feeling of fast talk and bluffing.

Muhammad was for some reason - natural reason? - unable to produce any kind of proof for his teachings. Yahweh had - according to the Bible and according to the Quran - produced a lot of supernatural happenings that proved his existence (if the Bible ans/or the Quran speaks the truth). And Jesus made quite a number of supernatural wonders - still if the Bible and/or the Quran speaks the truth. Also the Bible have some mistakes (but the Bible is written by humans, not sent down by a god - humans are not infallible, and the documented mistakes are not concerning the religion), but when it comes to NT, there were so many thousand witnesses all together, and much of it written so shortly after when things happened - witnesses gave the writers reliable information, and would protest if what they wrote was wrong - so there is a chance that at least some of it is true.

But Muhammad was unable to prove one single of his words. What does initiators of new sects and religions do in such cases (there have been a number)? - they use words and only words. And sometimes they bluff. This entire chapter may be a series of bluffs and fast-talk, as not a word is realised or in other ways proved (and the next chapter is not better).

Besides: Why do people seriously studying history or religious history NEVER use the Quran as a source for information about anything from before 610 AD? - a book from an omniscient god should be reliable? But nobody doing serious research uses it - nobody.

A PS: In the Hadiths you will find some wonders connected to Muhammad. But the Hadiths for one thing were not written down until 200-250 years after Muhammad’s death – plenty of time for the emergence of legends and fairy tales - and for another thing Hadiths and their presumed chain of narrators (their “isnads”) were made up literally by the hundred thousands for many reasons (often political) during those years. Because of that when the collectors finally started to collect them, it frequently was guesswork what was a true story and what not, and where praying to Allah not seldom was one of the methods for deciding which was true and which not. Sometimes the Hadith is true, but sometimes clearly it is not. The tales in the Hadiths about wonders connected to Muhammad clearly made up, as in the Quran – which was written just years after his death, and then much more reliable in such cases – not only mentions no wonders, but goes to great lengths to explain away why there were no wonders made by or connected to Muhammad. The Quran also proves among other things that all the stories in the Hadiths about miracles connected to Muhammad, are made uo ones - if not the Quran had retold some miracles instead of trying to explain away the total lack of such miracles.

19. April 09. (AD).

NB: If you find any mistakes anywhere, please inform us. If it is a real mistake, it will be corrected.

NB, NB, NB:

1. Read first the 2 small chapters "Some Essentials for how the Quran is to be read and understood" (VII-10-1) and "The Quran is to be understood literally if nothing else is indicated" (VII-10-2).

2. http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked by many Muslim authorities. To debate with persons in such areas, cut and paste what you want from the pages and send it under titles different from http://www.1000mistakes.com.

3. http://www.1000mistakes.com is one of 9 pages which Muslim organisetions warned especially against in 2008 and 2009 - it could make especially procelytes lose their belief in Islam; correct and "down-to-the-earth" information works. In this connection it is worth noting that in the "warning" http://www.1000mistakes.com was one of 3 which neither was accused of bringing wrong facts, nor of being a hate page.

4. Comment 141 (to verse 6/149) in “The Message of the Quran” (see point 5) explains (translated from Swedish) about Allah's claimed omniscience vs. man's claimed free will:

“With other words: The real connection between Allah’s knowledge about the future (and consequently about the unavoidable in what is to happen in the future*) on one side and man’s relatively (!!*) free will on the other – two statements that seems to contradict each other – lies outside what is possible for humans to understand, but as both statement are made from Allah (in the Quran*) both must be true”. Unbelievable. Blind belief is the only correct and intelligent way of life, even in the face of the utterly impossible!!

5. And an afterthought: In the book “The Message of the Quran”, certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy in Cairo (one of the 2-3 top universities in the Muslim world on such subjects) in a letter dated 27. Dec. 1998, it is admitted rather reluctantly that there are no proofs for Allah, and that it is not possible to prove him. An additonal point here is that if there is no proof for Allah and impossible to prove him, automatically there also is no proof for, and impossible to prove Muhammad's claimed connection to a god. And if there is no Allah and/or no connection between Muhammad and a god, what then is Muhammad? - and what than is Islam? - a made up, invalid religion?

6. Further: All the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in that book prove 100% that the Quran is not made by an omniscient god - no god makes such and so many mistakes, etc. If then Islam is a made up religion, what then about all the Muslims who have been prohibitted from looking for a real religion (if such one exists)? And where will they in case wake up after living and practising such an inhuman war religion like Islam is according to the Quran (and to Hadiths), if there is a second life somewhere? - Hell or Paradise?

7. NB and PS: No matter how sure you are about something, if it is not proved, it is not knowledge, only belief or strong belief, and can be wrong. Only what is proved or possible to prove is knowledge.

(As http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked in many Muslim areas - which shows they are afraid of it and lack arguments (if they had real arguments for http://www.1000mistakes.com is wrong, blocking was unneccessary) - "cut and paste" whatever you want from it and send if you want to inform or to debate there. Remember to omit the name http://www.1000mistakes.com).

PS: If we are blocked centrally - f. ex. by spam (there is too much at times already from unfriendly sources) we will reopen with new address somewhere else, and announce the new address om f. ex. http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam. Also if your comments to us do not reach us, any comments posted on a thread with "1000 mistakes" in the title on that forum will be read by us - it is a big international debate page. We cannot answer on that page, though, as it is not safe enough - we have had death threaths (better to kill an opponent, than to check if a religion brainwashed into you only on the word of a man who even practised lies (f. ex. "war is deceit") and advocated breaking even your oaths if that gave a better result, is true ot made up - old beliefs are hard to question).

Please inform all and everybody and all relevant fora - f. ex. Internet pages for debate or information - about the address http://www.1000mistakes.com. It is information that is urgently needed by many, not least by Muslims. No god made a book with so many mistakes and other wrongs - and if the Quran and Islam are made up by humans or dark forces, where are the followers of this inhumanly dark and brutal war religion heading for in a possible next life?