PART II, CHAPTER 1, Subchapter 3, Section 13 (= II-1-3-13)

MISTAKES AND ERRORS - MISTAKEN FACTS - IN THE QURAN, THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH. A SHORTLIST OF SUCH MISTAKES AND ERRORS IN THE QURAN ARRANGED BY THEMES

Mostly one of each or similar kind for overview. 16 sections.

(The “complete” list is in Part II, Chapter 1, Subchapter 4, Sections 1 through 8.)

SOME CLEAR MISTAKES AND ERRORS ABOUT HISTORY IN THE QURAN - THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH

(PART II, CHAPTERS 1 - 10 included subchapters = MEGA MISTAKES, MISTAKES, ERRORS, CONTRADICTIONS, INVALID LOGIC, ABROGATIONS, ETC. IN THE QURAN - THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH. AT LEAST 100% PROOF FOR THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG - NO OMNISCIENT GOD MAKES MISTAKES)

Comments in this book numbered by 3 numbers (included 00 or 0) a few places followed by one small letter = clear cases. Comments numbered by 00 or 0 followed by 1, 2 or 3 letters (big or small) = likely cases.

Contents in this Section:

1. Noah and the flood.
2. Some local Arab legends and/or fairy tales.
3. Abraham and Lot (Abraham’s nephew).
4. Joseph.
5. Moses, Pharaoh, and the Exodus.
6. Moses after Egypt.
7. Saul, David, and Solomon – the 3 first kings of Israel.
8. Alexander the Great (!!) aka Dhu’l Quarnayn.

This chapter is written chronologically, not in the succession of the Quranic verses. This to better show the progress of the stories.

1. Noah and the flood: (Date totally unknown, but perhaps some 2000 - 4000 BC (ca. 3200 BC?) - - - if it happened).

Noah is a well known name. May be he has existed, may be he just is a fairy tale, or perhaps he is the personification of the survivors of some forgotten extreme flood. In the Bible and in the Quran he was a religious man who got the order from his god to build an ark – some sort of a boat - and prepare for a big flood that was to come, because his god would root out all the ungodly people. (Legends about a big flood you find in many religions. There exist at least 175 different such legends).

**001 11/40: “We (Allah*) said (to Noah*):’ embark therein (the ark*), of each kind (of animals*) two - male and female, and your family - - -”. The Quran says nothing about the size of the ark. But the Bible according to the scientific magazine Lexicon says nearly 200 m long, some 30 m wide and some 12 m high with 3 floors. That makes some 18000 square meters roughly speaking. (NIV tells 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high = 140 m long, 23 m wide and 13.5 m high. With 3 floors that means some 9600 sq. m. only.) But there are much more than 10ooo kinds of “normal” animals, nearly 2ooo kinds of birds, and at least 10 million kinds of insects and other insect-like animals, and easily a million other small animals – like slugs, worms, etc. There simply would not be enough space for so many, not to mention 2 of each. In addition it would be the question of food for all the animals. The Quran says nothing about how long time the voyage lasted, but according to the Bible it lasted more than one year. That would take one hec of a lot of food for so many animals - and how did they f. ex. store the meat for the carnivores, or live insects for some spiders, etc.? All that food would take up a lot of space - much more than the animals themselves. Impossible in that “small” boat. And on top of that, there was the question of special food for special animals - eucalyptus leaves for the koala bears f. ex. It further is likely that Noah’s home was in the south of Iraq (if he ever existed) according to science - - - and then there is the question where they found f. ex. reindeer, polar bears, caribous, condors, lamas, pumas, kangaroos, orang-utans etc., etc., just to mention a few. And there is the question on who were feeding and giving water to all these animals, not to mention who kept it all clean - the family of Noah after all was rather small (8 according to the Bible).

Also the laws of nature tell that one pair of each would not be enough to establish all the animal races - no DNA variety. And the DNA variety science has found, talks about very different lengths of time since most animal groups were just a few ones. The story simply is not true. There is a small chance that a man like Noah once lived and survived a flood big enough for him to seem to cover the entire world - f. ex. he survived with his family and his cattle, etc. Science knows about one or two really huge floods at roughly the right time. But everything is in an after all much smaller scale. And not like told by a presumed omiscient god in the Quran (or for that case in the Bible).

Muslims try to reduce the problems by telling that Noah only should bring two of each of domesticated cattle - but that is not what the Quran says, and besides: How did all the other animals survive if the flood was universal? But they further tell that it just was a big, but regional flood - that is not said in the Quran, but it also is not said it was worldwide (but see the pointabout Mt. Al-Judi below). But then some make a real blunder - or try cheating - because what follows below is not well known by most people, though well known to the more educated ones, and thus cheating of the “rank and file” is easy: F. ex. “The Message of the Quran”, certified by a top Muslim university (Al-Ahzar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy, Cairo) tells:

1. The flood must have been the filling up of the Mediterranean Sea - without mentioning that this happened (when the Gibraltar Strait opened) some 4 - 5 million years ago or more, and very long before modern man existed.
2. All this also without mentioning that the filling up took many years - may be as much as 100 or more - as the opening was small in the beginning and the stream also slowed down long before the basin was full. Near what is now Israel and Egypt the water rose just one or some meters a year - no terribly rough flooding, like described in the Quran (f. ex. 11/42).
3. How could the slow filling up of that sea give a flash flood in what is now Iraq, where this is supposed to have happened? - in or near south Iraq somewhere.
4. May be they mix it up with the filling up of the Black Sea (also mentioned by Muslims)? But also that took time (months or a few years) - and was far from Iraq. That happened after the last ice age that stopped 10ooo – may be as late as under a warm period (even less ice) 5700 - years ago. The time may be ok, but then either Noah or the story in case has travelled – and also this filling up cannot explain the weather and the waves.
5. Finally there is the extreme, but little known flood in Mesopotamia – now approximately Iraq – some 5200 years ago. It may easily explain the flood itself, and if this was an extraordinary “ordinary” flood, it also may explain the weather. But even if big, it was a local happening. (But then the Quran does not directly claim it was covering the entire world – but on the other hand see the point about Mt. Al-Judi just below).
6. Well, there is one more posibility that just - just - may be a posibility. In China there is a tale about a huge flood late in the reign of Empress Nu Wa, and a corresponding one in India that connectit to a very rare planet constillation. This allignment of the planets happened 10. May 2807 BC, and if everything is true the big flood started that date - may be connected to a not documented landing of an asteroide in the Indian Ocean. But the theory is very specualative.(Populare scientific magazine "Discover" 11/2007).
7. And another conundrum that does not fit the Muslim “explanations” about a “local” flood: The Quran claims the ark stranded on a mountain in Syria (Mount al-Judi – earlier named Qardu (11/44) - not Ararat in Turkey). For the ark to have stranded on a high mountain, the flood had to be universal – if not the water had streamed away to empty, lower places – elementary knowledge of physics.

For a university to back a bluff like the flood = filling up the Mediterranean Sea, etc. is dishonest and tells something, especially when they "forget" 11/44 and other verses and Mt. al-Judi which is a well known "fact" to religiously educated Muslims - the professors at a university have to know such facts, and know it is wrong, or at least check if they were not sure. The way the Mediterranean was filled up is a well known fact among also Muslims with relevant education, included professors at the big universities. Similar claims in 23/27 – 11/40.

Then the god started his punishment of the sinners:

002 54/11: “So We (Allah*) opened the gates of Heaven (here = the religiously defined Heaven as it f. ex. is written with capital “H”, not a substitute word for the sky or clouds*) with water pouring forth”. But the material heavens that Muhammad believed in, did not exist - and thus could not contain water.

*003 11/42: “So the Ark floated with them on waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to his son (who was at the shore*) - - -”. When a boat is floating among waves like mountains, it is not possible to communicate with anyone ashore. Muhammad, living in a desert, may not have known. But no god had made a mistake like this - telling they could communicate. That kind of waves are too noisy, and so is the wind that normally accompanies that kind of seas. Dramatic fairy tale. Also see 11/43 below.

This is another proof for that the dramatic scenarios in the Quran cannot be explained with the filling of the Mediterranean or the Black Sea: Even an enormous waterfall does not produce waves “like mountains“ - a relatively stable stream of water does not do that except close to the waterfall, and as they are reduced proportionally to the distance they run – double distance = half the energy per meter wave front, because they spread out in a semi circle (NB: This does not go for windblown waves with linear wave fronts, and definitely not if the wind is still blowing and transferring energy to the waves – only where the source of the waves is a “point” like a waterfall – or a stone thrown into the water). And a waterfall – no matter how big - never produce a terrible storm (mentioned other places).

004 11/43: “The son (of Noah*) replied - - -“. In that kind of weather neither a call nor a reply was possible – the roaring of the wind and the crashing of the waves are far too noisy. In addition you have the effect of the wind “blowing away” the sound of your voice. Also see 11/42 just above.

005 7/64: “- - - We (Allah*) overwhelmed in the Flood those who rejected Our Signs”. And everybody except those in the Ark were drowned. Well, Islam claims quite correctly that the Quran does not say that the Big Flood covered all the Earth - in spite of the claim that the ark according to Islam ended high up on a mountain (Mt. Al-Jedi in Syria). But when they try to explain the Flood as described in the Quran, they not only stumble, but fall head-over-heel down a full hill. This especially as some of the facts they twist, are so well known among learned people, that they obviously know they are making up things and conclusions to cheat naïve and/or not learned people - - - some small al-taqiyyas and/or kitmans? (lawful lies and half-truths) – that is lawful (yes, even an obligation if necessary) in promoting and/or defending the religion, which is much more essential than to find out what is the truth. See 11/40 – 11/42 and 11/43 above.

006 21/76: “We (Allah*) - - - delivered him (Noah*) and his family from great distress (the big flood*)”. Wrong: The Quran is very clear on that one of his sons (he just had 3 - Shem, Ham and Japheth – according to the Bible (1. Mos. 9/18)) drowned in the flood. Mistake and solid contradiction. Similar claim in 37/76. Similar claim in 37/76.

Thus the big flood was - - -

*007 36/41b: “And a Sign for them (humans*) is that We (Allah*) bore their race (through the Flood) in the loaded Ark - - -”. No wooden boat could possibly carry the load the Quran says: Noah + his people + 2 of every animal + food and fodder. Even Muslims today see that this is very wrong, and try to explain it away by saying that only domesticated animals was meant, but that is not what the Quran tells. Also: Islam tells that the ark stranded on a mountain in Syria – Mount Al-Djudi (not Ararat in Turkey) - but if the water was that high, where did the other animals survive? - and for that long? (The Quran does not specify, but the Bible says some 16 months).

2. Some local Arab legends and/or fairy tales:

Muhammad also used old Arab tales and other local things in his preaching. Or he made up (?) things. Muhammad – or actually the one who made the Quran if it was someone or something other than Muhammad - did not show much creative fantasy in composing stories, but the necessary twists to make it fit his teachings had to be done. Mostly the stories simply were “borrowed” from the well known tales told in the long evenings/nights for pass-time, often told by more or less professional tale tellers – both are normal occasions in primitive societies without books or papers or radio or other media.

*008 10/19: “Mankind was but one nation - - -”. Mankind never was but one nation. Perhaps once one tribe or a few small tribes, but never one nation, as some Muslims try to explain - and that in case was some 160ooo - 200ooo years ago (there seems to have been a “bottle neck” when man nearly died out at that time). You also sometimes meet Muslims telling in triumph that science has proved the Quran, because now they have found the prehistoric Eve and the prehistoric Adam - - - without mentioning that the prehistoric so-called “Eve” lived the above mentioned some 160ooo - 200ooo years ago (the number varies some) in Africa, whereas the prehistoric “Adam” lived some 60ooo - 70ooo (64ooo?) years ago only, and not unlikely south of the Caspian Sea in Asia. With “Eve” dead 100ooo years before “Adam” was born - and a long distance off - it is difficult to see how they can be the “parents” of man, and thus prove the Quran.

*009 10/47: “To every people (was sent) a Messenger”. Hadith mention 124ooo messengers or prophets. There is not one single trace from prophets teaching monotheism (except in Israel and a couple of other special cases), not to mention Islam, in the old times, neither in archaeology, art, literature, folk tales, nor in religions. Some of them should have left small traces at least, when they were so many. This verse is not true.

010 35/44: “Do they (people*) not travel through the earth, and see what was the End of those before them - - -?” In and around Arabia there were ruins here and there. Muhammad claimed – as normal without any documentation as only non-Muslims need to prove anything – that each and every one of them was a result of Allah’s anger because of disbelief in or sins against Islam. Wrong. In a dry and harsh land inhabited by warring tribes there were plenty of other reasons for empty houses and ruins.

Then we come to some named tribes from Arab legends that frequently are mentioned in the Quran. They all were destroyed because they sinned against Allah and Islam according to the Quran:

011 54/19: “For We (Allah*) sent against them (the people of Ad*) a furious wind, on a Day of violent Disaster”. Well, something is wrong – and contradicting – as here it is said one day, in 41/16 it is said (several) days and in 69/7 is said 6 nights and 7 days.

00a 7/73: Connected to the legend about the tribe Thamud, you time and again are told in the Quran that the self-proclaimed prophet Salih brought them a camel and told it was a sign – a proof – from Allah. Like it is told in the Quran it gives absolutely no meaning – just a claim hanging in the famous thin air. How can a camel be a proof for a god in a country where there are 15 camels to a dozen?

But then we run across the explanation: This is taken from old Arab folklore – an old legend that everybody in Arabia knew at the time of Muhammad (but would an omniscient god who wanted to reach all the world, use an old fairy tale known only to Arabs – and in such a way that one does not understand if one does not know the rest of the story?)

Very briefly the legend runs like this: There once was a mountain cliff. Out from that solid cliff one day there came a camel. This camel then became a prophet for a god.

With such a background the camel was so special, that it was a sign for something – only that the Quran just told part of the story, because everybody there and at that time knew the rest. But as we asked: Would an omniscient god wanting to reach the entire world, tell just part of the storey, when he knew most of the world would not understand the point? (But as expected; in modern times you find Muslims telling that it was not this camel, but without giving a credible alternative.)

012 11/67: “A (mighty) Blast overtook the wrongdoers (the people of Thamud*), and they lay prostrate (dead*) in their homes before the morning - - -.” Well, in 7/78 they were killed by an earth-quake and in 69/5 by a terrible storm (which is something different from a blast - a storm lasts for some time, a blast is over in a moment, like the blast from an explosion). Two of the alternatives must be wrong – simply one or two more contradiction. This even though the claimed absence of any contradiction is said in the Quran to prove that it is sent down from Allah. A small additional curiosity: The honest Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy at the famous elite Islamic university Al-Azhar University in Cairo has sanctified a change of this verse 69/5: The Swedish edition tells the Arab text says they were killed by an earthquake and the new English one says “by a terrible upheaval (of the earth).” Then quietly and nicely a contradiction in the timeless Quran has disappeared. But does this tell anything about honesty in Islam? – or about a way of thinking in a case where all the possible next life is at stake, and the truth should be the absolute essential thing in order to find the real right way? Lying and cheating never is the truth – and why does Islam need such methods? AND CAN THE RIGHT RELIGION BE FOUND BY LIES? If lies are acceptable, then may be more is a lie - and remember the theory that may be Muhammad did not meet Gabriel, but Iblis (the devil) or some other dark forces disguised and pretending to be Gabriel, in which case all the stealing, harsh rules and blood in Islam is easily explained. Also see 7/78 just below.

013 7/78: “So the earthquake took them (the tribe of Thamud*) unawares, and they lay prostrate (dead*) in their homes in the morning”. Wrong. For one thing in 11/67 (see this just above) they were killed by a mighty blast and in 69/5 by a storm – one or two more of the contradictions that according to Islam do not exist in the Quran.

For another there never was an earthquake that killed absolutely everybody – nowhere on the whole Earth, and never. With the exception of in low quality high-rise buildings, it is a very serious earthquake that kills more than some 30% of the inhabitans.

014 7/91: “But an earthquake took them (Shu’ayb’s people, the Madyans*), and they lay prostrate (dead*) in their homes before the morning.” Wrong. An earthquake never kills 100%. See 7/78 just above.

3. Abraham and Lot (Abraham’s nephew):

(If Abraham is not only a legend, he lived 1800 – 2000 BC).

Abraham was the first of the 3 Jewish (?) patriarchs (the others were his son Isaac and Isaac’s son Jacob). He is not reckoned to be a prophet in the Bible.

00b 2/140: “- - - do ye know better than Allah?” (- about the old patriarchs, etc. of Israel.)

1. No – if Allah really exists and is omniscient and contacted Muhammad. All of which seems to be doubtful judging from all the mistakes, etc. in the Quran.
2. Perhaps – if Allah really exists, but is not omniscient, but contacted Muhammad – which Muhammad only claimed, never proved, even though it should be possible for Allah.
3. Yes, at least concerning the information in the Quran – if Allah really exists, but did not contact Muhammad. Modern science knows a lot more than Muhammad did – and are not going all out for power, etc. = more reliable.
4. Yes, definitely – if Allah does not exist and just was a fiction from a perhaps sick man (TLE?) building a platform of power.

00c 37/97: “They (people*) said, ‘Build him (Abraham) a furnace, and throw him into the blazing fire!” You are free to believe this happened to Abraham – but beware that the story is “borrowed” from a tale named “Midrash Rabbah” (Muhammad may also have been inspired by the story about Daniel and his friends in the OT).

00d 3/67: “Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian - - -“. He definitely was no Christian, as he lived – if he ever lived - some 1800 – 2000 years too early. But it may be correct to call the forefather of all Jews a Jew. (We know the word did not exist at that time, but it is normal to use the word also for the people who later became the Jews.) The Arabs claim he also was their forefather and places him and even more so his son out of wedlock, Ishmael – and as normal for the Quran and for Islam without any proof or documentation – in Mecca dead in the centre of Islam - (by coincidence?) in spite of the fact that Ishmael and his descendants, whom they claim to derive from, according to the Bible “settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt as you go toward Asshur” (1. Mos. 25/18) = near the Red Sea and very far from Arabia. And NB: This part of the Bible is written more than 1000 years before there was any reason for the Jews not to place him in Arabia. Also science has long ago proved to well beyond any judicial definition of that word, that the Bible is not falsified – in stark contradiction to Islam’s strong claims proved by nothing about the opposite – so that this piece of information is unabridged since it originally was written.

Which raises the question: Are Muhammad and his Arabs really descendants from Abraham? At least they in case only are quarter breeds, as Ishmael’s mother, Hagar, was a slave from Egypt (1. Mos. 16/1), and also his wife (only one is mentioned) was from Egypt (also according to the Bible and written and unabridged since more than 1000 years before Muhammad – 1. Mos.21/20). Well, worse than that: Modern DNA analyses have shown that the pure Arab does not exist. Arabia is near a crossroad – caravans and merchants have passed through - - - and left babies behind now and then (remember that before Muhammad in Arabia sex and alcohol were “the two delightful things”). And Arab caravans and traders roamed wide – and now and then brought back brides from abroad. And finally the perhaps main reason for the diluted blood: The slaves. Literally millions of slaves – some 2/3 of them women – have through the times been brought to Arabia, both before and after Muhammad. And the women of the harems – do you think they were permitted to demand condoms? It is impossible to say there are not traces of DNA from Abraham in Arabs – perhaps from Jewish slave women even? But any scientist will say that the chances for finding much more DNA from Abraham (if he ever existed) in Jews then in Arabs are big, because the Jews mostly intermarrying because of the excluding religion.

00e 3/68: “Without doubt, among men, the nearest of kin to Abraham, are those who follow him - - -“. You do not get related to a man just because you are a follower. Besides see the second half of 3/67 just above.

00f 2/130: “- - - the religion of Abraham (= Islam*) - - -.” The Quran often claims that Islam = the religion of Abraham. But it always was and is only a claim – no proof, no documentation - not even a try to explain, except the undocumented and not proved claim that everyone that say something else are lying, and that other scriptures that science deems more reliable (not proven 100%, but far more likely to be true) are falsifications, even though science has shown that they at least are not falsified – may be not everything is true in the Bible, too, but science has clearly shown it is not falsified. (To prove it 100.0% of course is impossible – there always will be theoretical or made up possibilities. But it is proved at least 99.5% - far beyond any judicial definition of the word - and if Islam claims something else, they will have to produce proofs, not only claims that are not even based on a likely theory about how all the thousands of different manuscript shall have had so many chapters and verses falsified in exactly the same way – spread over all the world one knew at that time. All that Islam offers, is a stubborn claim – not even a theory about how it should be possible to falsify everything, or about why all the thousands of old manuscripts that science know, shows it is not falsified. No proof. No documentation even though there exist thousands of documents. Only a stubborn claim based on nothing but a book with lots of mistakes dictated by a man with questionable moral and a lust for power to say the least of it. The claim is not proved to even 0,5% probability - only claims. Similar claim in f ex. just 2/135 below.

015 2/135: “- - - the Religion of Abraham, the True (religion*) - - -“. According to the Quran, Abraham was a Muslim. But looking at all the other mistakes and twisted logic and stories in the Quran – Islam will have to produce real proofs for that that was true. Also see 2/130 above. And may be 21/56c just below is an indication of how true it is?

*016 21/56c: “- - - He (Allah*) Who created them (man*) (from nothing): and I (Abraham) am a witness to this (truth)”. This really is an unintended joke. It is told that Allah did something that is contradicted even in the Quran - and Abraham witnesses that it is the truth, and this even if he lived millions of years later (The first proto humans lived at least 6 million years ago, Homo Sapiens is traced some 160ooo – 200ooo years back. If Abraham ever lived, he lived some 3800 - 4000 years ago)! Some proof for Allah. Is it possible that Allah himself has sent down this? But it does tell something about proofs in the Quran – and from Muslims. Also see 6/2.

*017 87/19: “The Books of Abraham - - -”. Abraham had no books according to science – and definitely not in plural. Besides a nomad of 4000 years ago, hardly knew how to read.

And then there was Lot:

018 11/92: “He (Lot*) said, ’O my people!” Lot was an immigrant from far away (Ur in Chaldea in now south Iraq) - this according to both the Bible and the Quran. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah (near the Dead Sea in now west Jordan if they were situated near the east bank of that lake as indicated by Islam) were not Lot’s people. And both the Quran and the Bible shows there was distance between Lot and the locals – they definitely had not become his people. Similar claim in 7/80 – 11/93. Also see 26/161 just below.

019 26/161: “- - - their (the people of Sodom and Gomorrah*) brother Lot - - -“. Wrong. Lot was a stranger to the two towns, and it is very clear both from the Quran and the Bible that he did not mingle well with those locals. He was no “brother” to them – not even in the figurative meaning of the word. (The word here obviously is used to make Lot and the mentioned people fit the pattern the Quran claims is universal: That the prophets come from the people they are to teach. But here that is incorrect). Also see 11/92 just above and 27/56 – it is very clear Lot was no brother of theirs. (“Drive out the followers of Lut (Lot*) from our city - - -“.)

020 29/28: “Do you (men of Sodom and Gomorrah*) commit lewdness (homosexuality*), such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you.” Wrong. Homosexuality was nothing new – it even exists among some “higher” animals, sometimes as a sign of dominance – and it is in the DNA of a minor part of humanity. If Islam stays on their claim that this was something “no people in humanity (ever) committed before”, they will have to prove it. Similar claim in 7/80

Lot got visitors, and the merry local men wanted to “taste” them – and they were too many for Lot to chase away. As a last desperate try, he said (also according to the Bible):

021 15/71: “There are my daughters (to marry)”. Here modesty has got the better of the Quran (or the translator). The men of Sodom or Gomorrah were not going for marriage - neither could a few daughters marry a lot of men. It is talk about sexual abuse. Most likely a dishonest translation – but in that case: How many other places in the Quran are explained dishonestly?

The next topic is the claim – and like always in the Quran and Islam only a claim based on little or nothing – that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kabah mosque in Mecca. Strictly speaking there is a contradiction here, as one place the Quran says they built the foundation, another place that they built the whole building.

022 22/26: “Behold, We (Allah) gave the site, to Abraham, of the (sacred) House (Kabah*) - - -”. Abraham never visited Mecca. See 2/127 just below. It is a made up story to give Muhammad’s teaching more credence, and make it more interesting among Arabs.

**023 2/127: “And remember that Abraham and Ishmael raised the foundations of the House (Kabah*) (with this prayer): - - - “. Abraham never built the Kabah - and there are several reasons for that:

1. He was born in Ur in Chaldea (if he really existed) in what is now south Iraq. Together with his father, Tarah, he later travelled northwest up along the Euphrates valley to Karan in what is now north Iraq. Years later he continued south southwest to Kaanan and the town Sikem in what is now Israel (Sikem is north of Jerusalem. It is now named Nablus). That is to say he travelled along the so-called Fertile Crescent - the natural route when you travel with flocks of animals. The alternative was to take a shortcut through the Arab desert, but few of his numerous sheep and goats and cows would survive such a trip. He never visited Mecca on his way from Ur to Sikem. (Besides this was too early in the story - Ishmael was not born yet, and he is a part of the building of the Kabah according to the Quran).
2. Abraham then settled in the western part of Kaanan (now approximately Israel), whereas his nephew Lot settled in the Jordan valley further east. Later Abraham moved south to Negev. Negev today is most known for its desert, but not all was desert. All this is according to the Bible, but the Quran has no conflicting information, except that his father has another name. The point is that between Kaanan and Mecca and between Negev and Mecca are hundreds and hundreds of kilometres of the tough and dry and hot Arab desert. Abraham was rich and had huge flocks of animals. He could not take those huge flocks of sheep, etc., through that desert. Besides; why should he? - there was little gras and no water around Mecca (the Zamzam well was not found by then, according to the Quran). And when he never visited the place, it was impossible for him to leave Hagar and Ishmael behind there.
3. Abraham lived hundreds of kilometres from Mecca - and had to cross harsh terrain to get to and from. Nobody builds a big temple (so big that according to Hadith the rich Mecca did not want to use the full old foundations when they restored it - and the whole city needed a smaller temple than what the foundations indicated Abraham needed for his family only) for himself and his family at a place they can never or nearly never visit. Believe it if you want to.
4. Abraham was a nomad. Nomads do not have the know-how and technology to build large stone buildings.Abraham simply was not involved in the building of Kabah, and it is highly unlikely he ever visited Mecca and even the Arab peninsula. It looks like a fairy tale made up to give weight to Kabah and to Islam. And not least weight to Muhammad, who 2500 years later could tell he was direct descendant from Abraham - without the slightest written paper from all those years. 2500 years of mostly an-alphabet nomads without any written history. Believe it if you want – and if you know who your analphabet forefather was the year 500 BC. (2500 years ago).It is worth adding, though, that Muslims say that Mecca was where Abraham’s slave, Hagar, and his and her child Ismael (Ishmael) were sent away from Abraham’s camp, that the two lived there, and that Abraham frequently visited them later. There is no source of information for this. The OT says they lived in Negev, which is weeks by camel from Mecca - and much, much longer for large flocks of sheep, goats, and cattle – American cowboys driving herds of cattle to the railway, made 10-12 miles (16 – 20 km) a day (in addition to that many animals hardly would survive the long trek through the harsh Arab desert with little or no water for weeks) - and there was in addition no reason for him and his family to take such a dangerous and meaningless trip, as the area in Mecca offered little or no pasture and water for Abraham's bif flocks of animals. And as he never took his flocks and family to Mecca, he could not have left Hagar and Ismael there. If Islam wants to insist that he ever visited Mecca, they have to produce strong proofs, as it is extremely unlikely - and “special claims demands special proofs”. It is highly likely this is a story made up or “borrowed” from f. ex. folklore to give the teachings of Muhammad and Muhammad himself credence.
5. One more fact: The Bible – a book which Islam insists is correct every time there is some text they like, and which may be the truth other times, too, says (1. Mos. 21/21): “While he (Ishmael*) was living in the Desert of Paran, his mother got a wife for him from Egypt”. Except for religious Muslims who strongly wishes this to be a reference to Paran or Faran near Mecca, all serious scientists say that this was Paran in Sinai - - - which also made it easier for his mother (who was from Egypt) to find him a wife from Egypt even though that made his children ¾ Egyptian and only ¼ descendants of Abraham’s stock (there is mentioned only one wife for Ishmael).

Further (1. Mos. 25/18): “His (Ishmael’s) descendants settled in the area from Havila to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur”. The border of Egypt means Sinai near the Red Sea. Just where scientists place the real Paran.

To go all the way to Mecca was too forbidding for a man with large flocks of animal – and there never was a reason to go there for Abraham. Little on no food and little or no water for his animals through the desert, and the valley of Mecca a barren one (– and his son Ishmael living not there, but “near the border of Egypt” according to the only written source). Abraham never was in Mecca and consequently never built the Kabah – the big temple that he anyhow did not have the know-how to build and worse; could not use, because he and his family lived the better part of 1000 km away. (And according to the only early written source – written long before there was any reason not to place Ishmael in Mecca if that was where he lived – says he lived even further off "near the border of Egypt"). If Islam claims something else, they for once will have to produce proofs, not only undocumented claims, if they want to be believed.

024 14/35: “Remember Abraham said: ’O my Lord! Make this city (Mecca*) one of peace and security; - - - “. Abraham never visited Mecca. Besides: There was no city at the time of Abraham – this both according to reality and to the Quran. Remember how Hagar runs back and forth there without finding people and without finding water. Also see 2/127. Wrong and a contradiction with bothe the Quran and with reality.

025 2/125a: “- - - the Station of Abraham - - -“ is (a mark in) a stone. Muhammad indicated and Islam says that mark was made from Abraham’s feet when he stood there and built the Kabah. Let the fact that Abraham never was in Mecca (unless Islam proves it – see 2/127 above) aside: No worker building something ever stood so long at one and the same place, that his feet made a mark in a solid natural stone visible centuries and millenias later.

026 2/125b: “- - - We covenanted with Abraham and Ishmael, that they should sanctify my House (Kabah in Mecca*)”. Abraham had nothing to do with the building of the Kabah - see 2/127 above. (Also: The Bible says the god made his covenant with Isac, and no covenant with Isac's half brother Ishamael. This was written a thousand years before Muhammad and ar a time when there was no quarrel between Jews and Muslims (as Muslims did not exist onless Islam proves so) and concequently no reason for the Jews to try to diminish Muslims.)

*027 3/96: “The first House (= Kabah*) (of worship) appointed for man was that at Bakka (= Mecca*)”. Wrong. Even if we should accept that Abraham “made the foundations” of the Kabah in Mecca, he lived (if he is not fiction) around 2000-1800 BC. At that time the first temples, etc. in f. ex. Egypt and Mesopotamia were old. Today it is possible to find the real age of many things. It is symptomatic that as far as we know, Islam has not tried to see if it is possible to find the real age of the oldest parts of the Kabah. Wagging tongues insinuates that may be the reason is that they are afraid it is younger than 3800 years.- what if it turns out it is built around 100 BC - or AD - f. ex?) We may further add that it is also said that Abraham built on the even older ruins of a temple made by Adam (this even though the Garden of Eden near which Adam lived – if he lived – is reconed to have been situated in or near or in the wetlands of south Iraq, very far away), but destroyed at the time of Noah - but as often before Muslims only tell, seldom prove, so believe it who wants. (We may ad that some Muslims have corrected it to that the Quran is talking about the first house of worship for a monotheistic god, but that is not what the Quran says. Besides: If the Quran or the Hadiths is correct and there have been prophets to all times and every people – 124ooo the Hadith says – Islam will have a though time to prove that not one single all those prophets or their followers have ever built even a small house for worship.” Also see 2/127 above.

4. Joseph: (3 generations after Abraham – if not only a legends).

Joseph was the second youngest of the patriarch Jacob’s 12 sons – and together with his younger brother Benjamin the only sons of his late mother Rachel – Jacob’s favourite wife. This far both the Bible and the Quran agrees roughly. His older brothers did not like him, and decided to get rid of him:

028 12/19+20: Here is something wrong - or one more contradiction. Verse 19 tells that “travellers” found Joseph in the well where his brothers had thrown him, and took him for a slave and concealed him. Verse 20 tells his brothers sold him for a few dirhams (small silver coins). Both cannot be true.

Joseph was sold as a slave in Egypt, according to the Bible to a mighty man called Potifar, according to the Quran to a man called the Aziz. But as “the Aziz” simply means “the Great One”, it may be a title – perhaps for Potifar.

After some time the wife of his owner wanted to seduce him. Joseph refused – and everything was found out. According to the Bible his owner got angry and put him in prison. According to the Quran Joseph proved he was not guilty, but was all the same put in prison on a very lame and not logical “reason” – lame and illogical, but necessary for the rest of the story.

00g 12/32: What was the logic of putting Joseph in prison when it was proved he was not guilty? This after all was at a moment where the wife should have been careful. (Muslims have a kind of explanation, but only a kind of).

Well, after some years Joseph was released because the contemporary pharaoh needed his clairvoyant gift, which his surrounding got to know about during his time in prison, as he was able to tell that one of his fellow inmates was going to be released shortly, whereas another would be executed. But:

029 12/41: “- - - he will hang from a cross - - -”. Egypt at the time of Joseph did not use execution by crucifixion.

According to the Quran – but not to the Bible – there was some drama because Joseph demanded to prove his innocence (illogical as he was proved – according to the same Quran - innocent already before he ended in prison).

030 12/51a: “What was your (the ladies’*) affair when you ye did try to seduce him (Joseph*) - - -“. According to 12/23 it only was the wife of the Aziz that tried this. Mistake and contradiction.

And the infamous wife invited some women friends to show them how handsome – not to say beautiful – Joseph was. With dramatic effect: They hurt themselves with knives in a scene credible only in third class novels for children, not for adults:

00h 12/31: There is little logic in 2 points here: Why giving them knives before showing them Joseph? (Some Muslims say it was to cut fruit, but when you cut fruit, you cut the fruit and lay down the knife mostly – few had had the knife in their hands at any given moment, and not holding the blade. And it is not a natural reaction to be so stupefied by a face, that all and every of them cut their fingers – one or at most two could have done so, though unlikely, but not more.

It also is told that the wife was a Muslim:

*031 12/51: The women in Potifar’s (this name is from the Bible - the Aziz (title or job?) in the Quran) house said: “Allah protect us”. The name and the god Allah did not exist in the old polytheistic pantheon in Egypt - and definitely not among the upper class (from slaves and traders they might have heard about Yahweh, but not Allah, and hardly even al-Lah that early). Their gods were Osiris, Aton, Amon, and other ones. Actually there is found not one single trace of monotheism among the upper class (and also not in lower classes) in Egypt in the old times. (Except Akn-Aton and his sun god). Similar claim in 12/52.

Joseph then correctly foretold the pharaoh that there would come 7 years with big and good harvests, but they would be followed by 7 years with little and bad harvests. So far the Bible and the Quran more or less agree. But the Qurans adds that afterwards there would be another year with plenty of food.

032 12/49: “Then will come after that (period) a year in which the people will have aboundant water - - -“. But the Arab word that is used her, and that is translated with “aboundant water” is “yughathu” or “yughath” which in reality is said to mean “to be relieved by rain” (Joseph Al-Fadi (Christian)). As also “The Message of the Quran” has that translation (translated from Swedish): “- - - a year when the people will be blessed by rain - - -“, and has a similar comment to the word and as we have met this translation before, we judge that Yusuf Ali has “stretched” his transcription a little (in case the true meaning is “stretched”, it tells something). But in Egypt one has little and no rain – it is the flood in the Nile that brings water - - - which means the Quran once more is wrong. (“The Message of the Quran elegantly explains that it must mean rain further south in Africa, that made the Nile big, but that is not what the book says).

Everything happened like Joseph had said. And his brothers came to Egypt to buy food. There were some intermezzos because Joseph did not want to tell whom he was, and all the same wanted contact with his family:

033 12/77: “If he (Benjamin*) steals, there was a brother of his (Joseph*) who did steal before (him)”. Here something is wrong: The child/youth Joseph was not accused of stealing. (As for Joseph’s age when he was brought to Egypt, Yusuf Ali in “The Meaning of the Quran” says he was 16 or 17 or may be even 18. We find no reason for believing anything – he may have been of that age or younger or even much younger).

But being a good Muslim, things had to go well for Joseph – and his father – in the end:

00i 12/69: Joseph told Benjamin: “Behold! I am thy (own) brother - - -“. It does not fit verses 70 – 77 that he told it at this time.

034 12/84: “And his (Jacob’s*) eyes became white with sorrow - - -“. Eyes cannot become white (and more or less blind) from sorrow. That happens because of illness or physical malfunction in the eye – sometimes related to age. Any god had known – Muhammad perhaps not.

035 12/94: “When the Caravan left (Egypt), their father (Jacob*) said (to his sons*) - - -“. But 12/87 says: “O my (Jacob’s*) sons! Go ye (to Egypt*) and enquire about Joseph and his brother - - -“. Jacob simply did not come along to Egypt at that trip – he stayed at home. Thus Jacob could not speak to his sons when they left Egypt. A mistake and a contradiction of the real situation. (This also is clear from 12/96: “When the bearer of the good news came (to Jacob’s home*) - - -.” Jacob could say nothing to his sons until they were back home with him.) Similar claim in 12/95.

Jacob and his entire household then went to Egypt to Joseph. All together they were 70 persons + the wives of his sons according to the Bible (1. Mos. 46/27). And - -

00j 12/99: “- - - he (Joseph*) provided a home for his parents - - -“. Not possible, as his mother (Rachel) died already when Benjamin was born – he could provide a home only for his father. (Islam explains or “explains” this with claiming that he reckoned the sister of his mother (Leah - also wife of Jacob) to be his mother, but there is nothing in the Quran saying so. But then it is quite normal for Islam to make claims without facts.) One more small detail here. Abraham first married Leah, and later her sister Rachel. But muslims cannot be married to 2 sisters at the same time. How then could Abraham be a good and devoted Muslim?

5. Moses, the Pharaoh and Exodus:

(If science is correct, the Exodus took place – if it took place – ca. 1235 BC, and if the Bible is correct about the numbers, that means Moses – if he was a real person and not only a legend – was born ca. 1315 BC and died ca. 1195 BC, at the age of ca. 120 years (some of the old Biblical persons grew pretty old). It also means that the Pharaoh was Ramses II).

036 7/143: “- - - and I (Moses*) is the first to believe”. Impossible, as according to the Quran Noah and Abraham and Isaq and Jacob and a lot more were believers in Allah before him. And Moses and all the others were making a lie out of Muhammad’s saying that he – Muhammad – was the first. A number of contradictions. (2/127-133, 3/67, 6/14, 6/163, 26/51). Muslims tells that these contradictions are not contradictions, because it is meant the first of a group, a nation, or something – but that is not what the Quran says, and it also does not explain all cases.

00k 28/3: “We (Allah*) rehears to thee some of the story of Moses and Pharaoh in Truth - - -”. The story about Moses differs not a little from the one told in the Bible - which for this part is more than 1000 years nearer in time to what (may be) happened - and with stronger traditions concerning Moses. It is a question, which one is most reliable. In any case: Both have the death of Pharaoh Ramses II wrong (but when it comes to the Bible it is possible to explain this - not so with the Quran, if it is told by Allah and Allah is omniscient. The Jews could mistake a general or one of Ramses II’s 67 sons for the pharaoh – no omniscient god makes such a mistake).

Moses and his brother Aaron came to Pharaoh Ramses II (one of the really strong and mighty pharaohs in the history of Egypt):

037 20/47: “Verily we (Moses and Aaron*) are messengers sent by thy (Ramses II’s*) Lord (Allah*) - - -“. Wrong – Ramses II was a polytheist. Besides: He might have heard about Yahweh (but would not respect the god of slaves very much), but never of Allah.

*038 28/38: “Pharaoh said: ‘O Chiefs! No god do I know for you but myself - - -”. This is one of the really good ones, because Egypt at the time of Ramses II had a good number of gods, included some central ones with a strong clerical organisation - not to mention: How then explain Islam‘s story about Ha-Amen (28/6 below)? (It is typical for many “explanations” of mistakes in the Quran that Muslims “explain” something, but are unable not to “collide” with other information in the book - f. ex. explaining the heavens as the universe without telling how the stars then could be fastened to the lowest heaven, or like here: Ramses II is the only god - - - but Ha-Amen, his chief advicer, it the high priest for another god according to the same Islam!!). But at the time of Muhammad the old gods were reduced - Egypt was partly Christian (the forefathers of the present-day Copts). A real god had not made this blunder, but Muhammad could not know. Then who composed the Quran?

Islam tries to explain this away with that it is not meant literally - only that Ramses II was the top. But in this case it is very clear what the Quran says. And also remember that the Quran - and most Muslims - say that the Quran is to be meant literally where nothing else is said - - - and that to call something an allegory or say it is figuratively meant, we think is the for Islam the most used means of explaining away things/mistakes in the Quran that has no explanation.

039 79/24: “(Pharaoh Ramses II*) Saying: ‘I am your Lord (in this connection: Your god*), most High’”. The pharaoh was not the “most high” god in the old Egypt. See 28/38 just above.

040 28/6: “- - - Haman - - -”. In the Quran Haman is a high leader or advicer of some sort under the Pharaoh. But science says this is the Haman from the book of Esther in the Bible. Haman was according to the Bible, a powerful minister under the Persian king Xerxes (Hebrew: Ahasuerus) (486 - 465 BC) and a central person in the mentioned book - Muhammad may well have heard about him. In that case something is very wrong, because Ramses II naturally was king/pharaoh in Egypt, and on top of that lived some 800 years earlier. Haman could not be his top minister. Another also is: Was the name Haman at all used in Egypt? – it is said to be a Persian name. Uneducated Muslims say it just was another man with the same name. Educated Muslims are more careful with that claim. But here Islam has an explanation that just may be true: One of the main gods in Egypt at that time was Amon. According to “the Message of the Quran” the title of the high priest of Amon, was Ha-Amen - which could be understood as Hamon. Not very likely, especially as that is the kind of “explanations” one frequently finds when Islam has problems finding better stories. But after all possible. Except that a god does not make such mistakes either. And except for 28/38a: “Pharaoh said: ‘O Chiefs! No god do I know for you but myself - - -”. Pharaoh cannot at the same time be the only god in Egypt (very wrong as said) and have the high priest (Ha-Amen) of another god as his second in command. This actually and simply may be one more of the famous Muslim “half-explanations” – They explain one aspect with a problem, but are unable to find “explanations” that do not collide with other aspects with the same – or other – problems. Like when they explain the Universe without explaining the stars all fastened to the lowest and material heaven, and the moon among the heavens = outside the stars.

The question also is how Muhammad could have heard about Ha-Amen nearly 1900 years later - after Amon and his high priest had ceased to be part of a dominant religion, in contrast to Haman, who was part of the Jews’ religious traditions. This even more so that there were thousands of Jews in Arabia at that time, who could have told Muhammad, but few from Egypt. Of course Muslims will say that Allah knew. But if an omniscient Allah had told this, he - as said above - had not made any mistake with the name. And if the mistake came from Muhammad after Allah had told him: How many more mistakes did Muhammad make?

Haman also is mentioned in 28/8 – 28/38 – 29/39 – 42/24 – 40/36.

There were to be a competition between Moses and the best sorcerers in Egypt. In the Quran that seems to be expected to take much time:

041 10/87: “Provide dwellings for your (Moses’*) People in Egypt - - -“. Wrong – and a contradiction with reality both according to the Bible and the Quran. According to the Quran the Jews had dwelled for a long time in Egypt, and according to the Bible this long time amounted to 430 years (1. Mos. 12/40). They had dwellings – no reason to tell Moses to provide such ones. Even more silly: Why provide (new) dwellings when all they wanted to do, was to leave Egypt?

00m 26/42: “- - - ye (the sorcerers*) shall in that case (if you win over Moses*) be (raised to posts) nearest to my person (Ramses II).” It is highly unlikely that the mighty pharaoh Ramses II said that to a flock of sorcerers – and especially for winning over an after all small opponent.

042 7/127: “He (Ramses II*) said: ‘Their (the Jews’*) male children will we slay - - -“. But they were already slaying the male children of the Jews – that was why the baby Moses had to be put on the Nile also according to the Quran. Both a mistake and a contradiction. And contradictions do not exist in the Quran? See f. ex. 7/141 below.

But Moses won the competition by a real miracle. That single and not too big miracle, made all the sorcerers become Muslims:

00n 7/120: After Moses made his miracle “the sorcerers fell down prostate in adoration” and convinced that the god of Moses was a strong and real one. This is one of the proofs for that Muhammad knew he was lying when he told his audiences that it would have no effect to perform miracles, because disbelievers would not believe anyhow, and thus explained away the fact that he (and his presumed god) was unable to make miracles. Here he tells just the opposite. A psychologically much more correct tale on just this one point. The same story in 20/69-70.

The pharaoh grew pretty angry:

043 26/4: Pharaoh Ramses II said: “Surely he (Moses*) is your (the sorcerers’) leader - - -.” Wrong. Ramses II knew Moses from the royal court from before Moses had to flee, and knew he had been away for 40 years (according to the Bible) – he could not be the leader of the local sorcerers.

044 26/49: “- - - I (Pharaoh Ramses II) will cause you (Moses and others*) to die on the cross!” But the old Egypt did not use crucifixion as punishment. Similar claim in 7/124 – 20/71.

00o 7/124: “Be sure I (Ramses II*) will cut off your hands and feet on opposite sides - - -“. As far as we have been able to find out, Egypt at the time of Ramses II did not use this Arab way of punishment.

*045 17/102a: “- - - I (Moses*) consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!” Pharaoh Ramses II was not doomed to destruction, at least not this time. He did not drown, in spite of what the Quran (and the Bible) says. (Which may be one of the reasons why some Muslims want the exodus from Egypt to have happened under pharaohs we do not know as well as Ramses II - preferably one we do not know if he may have drowned or not).

The Pharaoh then honoured his word to Moses and “let his people go” – though only after several serious plagues. But then he regretted the loss of all those slaves and followed after them. The Jews were caught against a sea, but Yahweh made a path for them across it:

00p 2/50: “- - - We (Allah*) divided the sea for you (Moses and his Jews*) - - -“. From other places in the Quran (and in most Bibles) it is clear that this was the Red Sea. But in the Hebrew original the name is Yam Suph, which as well can mean “The Sea of Reeds” (this also is confirmed in many footnotes in NIV (“New International Version” of the Bible)). The Sea of Reeds – it had even one more name: Timsah Sea - used to be a big lake where the Suez Canal now runs – not far from the Bitter Seas. The name tells it was just a shallow lake – the longest reeds we have been able to find, is a kind of rice that can be up to 5 -7 m long and grows in the big sea Tonle Sap in Cambodia. The reeds growing in that area of Egypt are shorter - - - and a lake with that name cannot be deeper than the reeds get their “heads” above the water.

Also look at the map: Goshen where the Jews settled was in the river delta of the Nile. To get to Sinai they had to go south-south-east. It would be stupidity beyond any credibility to go so far west that they ended at the western side of the Red Sea, and thus force such a huge number of people and animals to cross the sea by boats they did not have (remember they did not know about the opening of the sea – fire/smoke-column or not (= the pathfinder/Yahweh according to the Bible)). After all they according to the Bible were 600ooo men + women + children + animals and belongings. (Theoretically it is quite possible for 70 – 90 (depending on how many wives his 11 sons in the group had) persons that came with Jacob + Joseph and his family to become 2000ooo “Jews” 430 years later. And they had no boats.)

Science tells that – if the Exodus took place – the “Jews” quite likely were overtaken as they marched or camped along this lake.

Similar claim in 26/63.

*046 20/78: “Then the Pharaoh pursued them with his forces, but the waters completely overwhelmed them and cover them up”. May be the water covered up the troops, but not the Pharaoh - - - Ramses II did not drown. Similar claims that all – included the pharaoh drowned – in 7/103 – 10/90 -17/103 – 23/48 - 26/66 – 27/14 – 28/40 – 40/37 – 43/55 – 44/25-28 – 51/40 – 69/9-10 - 73/16 – 79/25. We may add that science seems to be pretty sure that if the Exodus happened, it happened around 1235 BC = during the reign of Ramses II. As we know that Ramses did not drown, Islam dearly wants it to have happened earlier and under a less known pharaoh that we do not know from what he died, but as so often they only backs up the claim with speculations.

As he was engulfed by the water, the pharaoh according to the Quran screamed:

*047 10/90b: “I (Ramses II) believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam) (= became a Muslim*)”. One more thing we know about Ramses II (see 10/90), is that he was a polytheist and never a Muslim – and never a Jew.

*048 7/137: “- - - We (Allah*) levelled to the ground the great works and fine Buildings which Pharaoh and his people had erected - - -”. There is no trace neither in archaeology, nor in history, literature or art, of such a catastrophe around the year 1235 BC (some years before the end of the reign of Ramses II) when this should have happened - during the exodus from Egypt. On the contrary; Ramses II was one of the strongest and most successful of the pharaohs, leaving MANY great buildings behind after many years of - among other things - building. Has Muhammad put more drama to his story, believing it would be impossible to check if it was true? Islam will have to find proofs - and they do not exist today.

**049 43/56: “And We (Allah*) made them a people of the past - - -”. Wrong. Neither Ramses II nor the people of Egypt became a people of the past in the year 1235 BC (the approximate year of the possible exodus, according to science). That did not happen until much later – and the final doom came in 659 AD when the Arabs under Mu’awiya conquered the country and took over - for ever (?). Muslims like to “explain” that “a people” mean the soldiers of Pharaoh. But the expression “a people” has a wider meaning than that.

The Jews then roamed the Sinai and thereabouts for 40 years according to the Bible – the Quran is vague on that point, but nothing there opposes this piece of information.

6. Moses after Egypt:

050 7/160: “We divided them (the people of Moses*) into twelve Tribes or nations.” Wrong: They consisted of 12 brothers, then 12 families, then 12 tribes already since after Jacob (some 430 years earlier according to the Bible).

Pretty early – most likely shortly after they had left Egypt – Moses met Yahweh on a mountain. There he according to the Bible received the 10 Commandments written on 2 stone tablets + Yahweh told him the Law, and he – Moses himself – wrote them down afterwards. Just this is somewhat different – and simpler – described in the Quran:

*051 2/53: “- - - We (Allah*) gave Moses the scripture (the book*) - - -”. The book(s) named after Moses, the first 5 in OT, (the Torah), are not written by Moses. Moses lived (if he is not a fiction) around 1300-1200 (ca. 1315 to 1195?) BC (if the Exodus from Egypt really took place, it took place ca. 1235 BC during the reign of Ramses II according to science), and those books were written not earlier than ca. 800 BC - perhaps as late as 500 BC - also this according to science. A god had known that, whereas Muhammad knew nothing about their real age, and had to guess. (To be exact: The Bible says that Yahweh told Moses the law – nothing material was given except the two stone tablets where the ten commandments were inscribed – and the laws he then wrote down afterwards. It also says that when Solomon moved the Ark of Covenant into the Temple in Jerusalem some 400 years later (1.Kings 8/9); it only contained the two stone tablets. There is nothing about “the Book(s) of Moses” – and science is unanimous that they are written much later. If Muslims claim something else, they will have to produce proofs.) The law really also only is part of the Torah/Book of Moses. Similar claims in 2/87 – 3/84 – 6/91 - 6/154 – 11/110 – 17/2 – 23/49 - 25/35 – 28/43 – 32/23 – 37/117 – 40/53 – 41/45.

052 7/145: “(Allah gave Moses the Law*) explaining all things.” The laws in the book of Moses explain far from all things.

While Moses was meeting Yahweh for 40 days on the mountain, the Jews made a calf from gold and prayed to it (this seems to have been not unusual – they are known from history and at least one such calf has been found by archaeologists). The Quran blames a man from Samaria:

053 20/85: “- - - the Samari had led them astray”. But the Jews still had not arrived in Samaria and there existed no Samaris (actually the name Samaria/Samarians as far as we can find, was not coined until 722 BC - more than 500 years after the exodus that happened (if it happened) ca. 1235 BC.). Muslims try to “explain” the mistake by saying may be it is meant “shmeer” = stranger, or “shomer” = watchman = samara in Arab (irrelevant as the Jews did not speak Arab). But if the Quran means some other thing than it says here according to Islam – or is possible to misunderstand - how many other places in the book are there similar or worse/religious mistakes? Similar claims in 20/87 – 20/95

054 7/149: “When they (the Jews) repented (before Moses came down from the mountain with the 10 Commandments*) - - -“. Wrong – and a contradiction. Both the Quran itself and the Bible tell that this did not happen until after he came down – and was very angry.

055 7/171: “When We (Allah*) shook the Mount (Sinai*) over them (the Jews*) as if it had been a canopy - - -”. This needs strong proof from Islam, especially as it in reality is from a fable taken from the old Jewish book “Abodah Sarah”.

Moses also had made a big tent – the Tabernacle - they used as a temple. Inside there was the Ark of Covenant – a somewhat but not very big chest:

00q 2/247: “- - - there shall come to you (the Jews) the Ark of Covenant”. Well, according to the Bible the Ark of Covenant did not come to the Jews – they built it themselves in accordance with a description they got from Yahweh. That was done around 1330 BC under Moses. Similar claim in 2/248.

They moved towards “the promised land” – Canaan, now Israel approximately:

*056 5/20: “Remember Moses said to his people: - - - Allah - - - made you kings”. Wrong. The first Jewish kings were Saul (Talut in the Quran) and then David some 200 years after Moses. Any - even minor - god had known this. We have heard Muslims explain that this is not what the Quran means, but that Allah made all Jews like kings. But anyone who knows a little about Jewish history and about Jews before and now, knows very well that most Jews never were or are or behave(d) like kings. It is an obvious “explanation”.

00r 5/23a: “- - - two (of Moses’ Jews*) on whom Allah hath - - -“. Allah or Yahweh? See also 3/51.

00s 5/21: “- - - the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you (Moses and his Jews*) - - -“. Allah or Yahweh? (See also 3/51).

But they were frightened by the people living in Canaan, and Moses never entered it. That did not happen until under the next leader, Joshua. All the same - -

00t 37/114: “Again (of old) We (Allah*) bestowed Our favour on Moses and Aaron - - -“. “The Message of the Quran” is quick to ad that it was not because they were progeny of Abraham, but because of their own quality. What the Quran never mentions, what Islam never mentions, what Muslims never mention, is that Israel’s (belief in a) special contact with Yahweh, is not – repeat not - that they had an ancestor named Abraham some thousands years ago. The reason was and is the covenant that was made between Israel and Yahweh according to OT – and renewed several times through the times. It is good propaganda to bully them for believing Abraham who lived some 4ooo years ago (if he ever lived) is a part-out card to Heaven. But it is pretty dishonest to make this lie, and to never mention the real reason for the Jew’s belief: The covenant – broken and maltreated, but never lifted or ended. (In the same way as it is pretty dishonest never to mention the “new covenant” made via Jesus in NT – but then Muslims are obliged to use al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie) or “Kitman” (the lawful half-truth) if necessary, when it comes to defending or promoting Islam – no matter whether Islam is a false religion or not).

g. Saul, David, and Solomon – the 3 first kings of Israel.

(Around 1000 BC - Saul war the first king, David the second (1007 - 970 BC?), and then Solomon - till perhaps 927 BC)

00u 2/247: “Allah hath appointed Talut (Saul*) king over you (Jews shortly before 1000 BC*)”. Most likely it was Yahweh (God) that did so, or what? Allah and Yahweh is not the same god no matter what Islam wants – the fundamental differences are too big and too many. Not unless the god is mentally ill – if he exists.

00v 38/19: “- - - and the birds gathered (in assemblies): all with him (King David*) did turn (to Allah).” Believe it who wants – we do not believe in assemblies of birds turning towards any god, not unless we get some proofs for it and not just words which cost zero to produce.

057 4/163: “- - - to David We (Allah*) gave the Psalms”. Wrong: According to science they are some centuries younger than King David. (And besides – Allah hardly was involved. If there was a god, it was Yahweh). Similar claim in 17/55.

058 21/80: “It was We (Allah*) Who thought him (King David*) the making of coats of mail”. But coats of mail and similar are older than around 1000 BC – the time of David.

00w 27/16–44: These stories – also repeated other places in the Quran - about King Solomon, the ants, the jinns slaving for him, the hoopoo, and not to mention the Queen of Sabah – are fantastically like domething from a fairy tale - - - which is what they are: They are “borrowed” from the made up - apocryphal, and hardly even apocryphal - scripture “Second Targum of Ester”. No god needs to steal old fairy tales and retell them with small – or big – twists to make them fit his religion/tales, and then call them facts. But Muhammad often did so. That is the reason why his contemporaries so often said that what he told just were old tales – they simply recognized the legends, fairy tales and stories.

00x 27/36: King Solomon is a good Muslim. Anyone is free to believe it if he wants to. Just this hardly is even from “Sacond Targum of Ester” – see 27/16-44 just above.

*059 27/18: An ant spoke to other ants and in a way possible for King Solomon to hear. Wrong. Ants do not have the brainpower for composing complicated (for non-human terrestrial beings) sentences, and they do not have organs for pronouncing words - not even “ant-language” words. Not to mention that they lack the power to speak loud enough for humans to hear. A fairy tale. (It is worth mentioning that Islam to a degree admits this. “The Message of the Quran calls it a legend – comment 17. But if this is a legend told like a truth, how many more are there like that in the Quran?) Similar claim in 27/18. Also see 27/16-44 just above. The only place you normally meet talking ants, are in fairy tales.

060 27/16: “We (King Solomon*) have been thought the speech of the Birds.” Wrong. One thing is that there is not one bird “speech” but one for each of the some 2000 different kinds of birds on Earth, and actually even more, as some birds have different “languages” or “dialects” from one place to another – even if you were thought cockney English, you would not understand Italian or Arab or Swahili. More fundamental is the fact that the birds’ brains are too small for developing coherent speech. The last years science has found that birds brains may be more efficient that our, gram for gram, but that all the same they are far too small for coherent speach – the minimum size where it is theoretically possible for a brain to get faculties rudimentarily similar to the human brain, is guessed to be a brain the size of a cat’s. Coherent, intelligent speech from birds simply is physically impossible.

**061 27/22-26: A bird - the hoopoo - making long, coherent speech/sentences of its own composition. No bird on Earth can do that - they do not have the brain capacity (see 27/6b and 27/16 just above). A fairy tale.

062 27/24: “I (the hoopoo*) found her (the queen of Sabah*) worshipping the sun - - -“. Sabah was at the southern end of the Arabian Peninsula – approximately Yemen today. In the old times this whole peninsula had a moon religion, not a sun religion – with al-Lah (whom Muhammad later renamed to Allah) as the moon god. It is documented that also in old Sabah the main god was the moon god (Source: “The Lunar Passion and the Daughters of Allah”).

063 27/28: “Go thou (the hoopoo*), with this letter of mine, and deliver it to them: then draw back from them, and (wait to) see what answer they return…” No bird is able to do this. Not even the carrier pigeon brings letters – it only is able to return with a letter. (The pigeons have to be brought in cages from the one who is to receive the letter, to the one that is to send the message. Then when the bird is let loose, it simply wants to return home - - - and carries the letter to its nest, where the receiver can collect it. This is the only possible way for using birds for carrying a letter. Except in fairy tales.)

064 27/44: “- - - she (the Queen of Sabah*) thought it (the floor*) was a lake of water (though it was slabs of glass) - - -“.

1. They did not have the technology to make that quality of glass ca. 900 - 1000 BC.
2. They also did not have the technology to make big slabs – and they had to be really big not to notice at once the cracks between the slabs. Even today it is difficult, as it needs months of very exact and slow cooling for that big slabs not to crack. (Cfr. the making of the mirrors for large astronomical parabolic telescopes).

00y 27/39: “- - - (one) of the Jinns - - -”. Jinns are beings with a diffuse role in the Quran. They are “borrowed” from old Arab fairy tales and legends. Allah made them from fire, the book tells – or may be from the fire of a scorching wind, according to one place in the Quran. There is said little about their shape - perhaps roughly like humans, though it is indicated that there were several kinds of them. They also have a diffuse role in the “pantheon” - they definitely do not belong in the heavens, but neither in hell. There simply is said nothing about where they belong. Neither is anything said about their role in the “life” of heaven and hell or their real connection to the “inhabitants” those two places - or to earthlings. As we said; much is diffuse concerning them and their life, except that they must be beings that can die - and end in hell mostly it seems. As said they are borrowed from old Arab folklore and fairy tales and mostly seem not really to belong in the religion, though they are mentioned quite frequently. Generally we feel they are a little suspect most of the time, but not always. Some were f. ex. servants (or slaves) for King Solomon, and in the older times - not 100 years ago - there shall have existed laws for marriage etc. between humans and Jinns, though no marriage ever took place!!

Do they really exist in the hidden world? - or are they in reality just something from fairy tales used for the mysterious effect?

Another mystery: If Islam is the main and original religion, one should meet the jinns many places – f. ex. in the Bible. But you only meet them in Islam.

065 38/37: “- - - And also the Satans (including) every kind of builder and diver (had to work for King Solomon*) - - -“. To make us believe this, Islam has to produce very real proofs – this even more so as it had been such a boost to Solomon’s reputation, that it surely had not been forgotten in the Bible - - - and there it is not mentioned. Similar claim in 21/82.

066 38/36: “Then We (Allah*) subjected the wind to his (Solomon’s*) power - - -”. This needs strong evidence - we hardly believe Solomon was able to regulate temperature and air pressure in the atmosphere in such a way as to be the director of the winds. Similar claim in 34/12.

**067 34/14a: “Then, when We (Allah*) decreed (Solomon’s) death, nothing showed them (the surroundings included jinns) his death, except a little worm of the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away his staff - - -”. Wrong:

1. In the castle of Solomon there would be no earth and then no worm from the earth. (This could not happen outside, as his servants would not leave the mighty king sitting outside through many days and nights).
2. There exists no worm from the earth able to gnaw dry, hard wood like in a staff. Some Muslims wants this to have been a termite, but a termite is no worm, and a god knows that.
3. See also 34/14b just below.

**068 34/14b: “Then, when We (Allah*) decreed (Solomon’s) death, nothing showed them (see 34/14a just above) his death, except a little worm from the earth, which kept (slowly) gnawing away his staff; so when he fell down - - -”. Wrong: It would take days or more for a small worm to weaken the staff enough for Solomon to fall - may be weeks.

1. A mighty king sitting not mowing for too long would after some time be addressed by his servants.
2. A mighty king not talking for a long enough while, would be addressed by his servants.
3. A mighty king not taking care of his duties and his visitors for a long enough while, would be addressed by his servants.
4. A mighty king not going to bed in the evening would be addressed by his servants.
5. Rigor mortis (the only possible, but highly unlikely reason for the situation) takes time to start – and it disappears. If not for other reasons, he would fall because of that long before a small worm had the time to weaken the staff.
6. In the climate of Jerusalem - even in winter (when there after all would be a fire) - his body would start decomposing. Everyone had to notice that.

A fairy tale simply.

8. Alexander the Great (!!) aka Dhu’l Quarnayn (around 330 BC):

Alexander the Great is a man one does not expect to find in a “holy book”. But in the Quran you find him – mainly in surah 18.

The book uses an Arab name for him: Dhu’l Quarnayn – the two-horned one. But it is well known in history that this was a name used for Alexander in Arabia. In addition there are facts like the description made by the well known Muslim scholar Ibn Hisham (around 900 AD) in his comments to Ibn Ishaq’s “The Life of Muhammad”: “Alexander was a Greek and he founded Alexandria”. Alexander really was from Macedonia, but he also was king of Greece, and it is very elementary knowledge that he founded Alexandria – and gave it his name.

You will find Muslims that vehemently oppose this fact, because it makes an extremely unbelievable story even worse: Every educated person knows that her something is horribly – not to say laughably – wrong. Alexander was not involved in stupidities like this, and he definitely was no Muslim, but a polytheist. Some Muslims even try to use the mistake the book makes by telling he is a good Muslim, as a proof for that Dhu’l Quarnayn cannot be Alexander, because today we know he was a polytheist. The trouble is that Muhammad’s uneducated follower in 622 AD when this surah is dated, did not have the faintest idea about that – Muhammad and Allah told it, and then it had to be true! But there is no doubt: Duh’l Quarnayn is Alexander the Great. In some translations of the Quran – f. ex. Dawood – you will find they simply write Alexander the Great instead of Dhu’l Qarnayn in the Quran.

069** 18/95: “He (Alexander*) said: '(The power) in which my Lord (Allah!!!*) has established me is better - - -”. The Quran clearly indicates that Alexander was a pious Muslim (some 950 years before Muhammad). To make an understatement: That is wrong. Alexander was a polytheist. Also see 18/86a, 18/96b and 18/96c. Similar claim in 18/98.

070 18/96a: “- - - he (Alexander) reached the setting of the sun, - - -”. To reach the setting of the sun means to go west. In addition to all the other mistakes in this story, we know that Alexander never went west (the furthest west he ever was, was his homeland Macedonia north of Hellas, and Egypt). See also 18/86 and 18/86 just below.

**071 18/86b: “- - - when he (Alexander) reached the setting of the sun - - -”. Anyone who knows two millimetres about geography and astronomy knows this is wrong and ridiculous to the extreme: The sun does not set on Earth – and absolutely not in a pond of water. Also see 18/86a and 18/86c just above and just below.

***072 18/86c: “- - - he (Alexander the Great*) found it (the sun*) set in a spring of murky water”. This statement - or fairy tale - deserves a series of exclamation marks - anyone today who has finished primary school, knows among other these facts:

1. I. The sun is too big to settle anywhere on Earth.
2. II Not to mention that it is far too big to settle in a pond - murky or not.
3. III. And that if the sun ever came within a million kilometres or miles from the Earth, there would be no spring or pond any more.

Muhammad did not know the size or temperature of the sun – he even seems to believe it was a flat disk that could be folded up - but an omniscient god had known. Who made the Quran?

Muslims try to “explain” it by f. ex. telling that what he saw was the reflexion of a sunset in a spring. Think of the great warrior king Alexander - riding west and west and west with his men, day after day and week after week to find the place where the sun set. Then one day he hits upon one more pond - even one with dirty water. When he stands so that that dirty spring is in the straight line between him and the sun, he sees the red and yellow mirror image of the sunset in the muddy surface - a sight he has seen time and again and again before on the surfaces of ponds and springs and rivers and lakes and seas - and he hails his men: “Now we have reached our goal!! Here is where the sun sets!! Now let’s go back and tell about our great discovery“.

Believe it whoever wants.

But whoever believes it needs to see a professor of history - or a psychologist to mend his brain. (Also see 18/86a and 18/86b just above.)

073 18/90: “- - - he came to the rising of the sun - - -”. It is not physically possible to come to the place where the sun rises from the Earth as the Quran indicates, because it does not rise from the Earth - and if it had, both Alexander and the Earth had been rather fried. Also see 18/86a – 18/86b – 18/86c just above.

*00z 18/94: “- - - Gog and Magog - - -”. These are from the Bible. In the Bible one is a country and the other a king – king Gog of the country Magog. In the Quran they are two bad peoples or tribes. Who is right? Remember that Muhammad did not know the Bible well. A god had known. Then who composed the Quran?

***74 18/95-97: A people that lived in a valley were terrorized by two other people - Gog and Magog. They (the locals*) asked Alexander for help. He said: “I will erect a strong barrier between you and them: ‘Bring me blocks of iron’”. And he let build a wall of iron blocks produced by the locals, straight across the valley, strong enough to be impossible for the people of Gog and Magog to get through, and tall enough to be impossible to get over even with the longest ladders.

But nowhere on the entire earth there existed that much iron blocks around 330 BC – blocks of iron the locals were asked to bring him. (Note here that 18/93 tells the wall had to cross “(a tract) between two mountains” under which mountains a people lived – the wall had to have some length to cross “a tract” big enough for a whole people to live – it took a lot of iron blocks.) Also remember that iron was expensive at that time – it took a lot of work to make it. The locals had to be very rich to have that much iron.

(Besides it is all ridiculous: Very few valleys have only one possible way in and out - Gog and Magog could in case get around the wall. And if not, it always vas possible to dig under the wall - this was a valley in which people lived, and such a valley would have soil under the wall.) See also 18/86a – 18/86b – 18/86c above.

**075 18/96a: “At length, when he (Alexander - or really the workers making the wall*) had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, he said, ’Blow (with your bellows)’. Then, when he had made it red as a fire - - -”. It would not be possible to make the whole of such a big wall red like fire at around 330 BC. They neither had the means - that kind of fire - nor the technology. It would be more than difficult even today. Fairy tale.

**076 18/96b: “Then, when he (Alexander the Great) had made it (red) as fire, he said: ’Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead” (Dawood says bronze).

1. We do not think there any one place on Earth was enough lead - or bronze - for such a job.
2. Even if it did, metal was expensive - the locals had to be very rich to have so much lead/bronze. And this goes even more so for enough iron blocks to build a huge wall.
3. It would not be technically possible to heat such a big and long wall to “make it (red) as fire” ca. 330 BC - it is hardly possible today - for pouring the lead/bronze over it.

To include the rest of the story about Gog and Magog: They will be unable to get out of their big valley – it has to be big to feed that many until they are released as a warning about the approaching of the Final Day. But even today nobody has found their valley – not even on a satellite photo. It must be a well hidden big valley:

077 21/96b: “Until the Gog and Magog (2 bad tribes*) are let through (their barrier), and they swiftly swarm from every hill”. Gog and Magog according to the Quran (surah 18) were two groups of people (tribes?) imprisoned in a valley behind a tall, strong barrier made from iron blocks erected by Dhu’l Quarnayn/Alexander the Great. But there is nowhere on Earth – let alone in the area Alexander travelled – a valley big enough to produce food for two large tribes of people (“swarm from every hill” = large tribes), that is impossible to get out from, even if the main valley and way out is blocked. Besides the whole storey is nonsense: Even if they could not get through or over such a barrier, given time it always would be possible to dig under it. Even if it had been erected on solid rock, around 330 BC when the Quran pretends this happened (Alexander died 323 BC), people knew how to make short tunnels even through a rock if they really wanted to, f. ex. by means of fire + water. Besides: Where is the valley? Today every inch of the globe is mapped, and there is no walled in valley anywhere. Not in the east where Alexander travelled, and nowhere else. Remember; the two big tribes Gog and Magog have to be living in that valley today, as they only are to be released from it shortly before the Day of Doom according to the Quran.

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NB, NB, NB:

1. Read first the 2 small chapters "Some Essentials for how the Quran is to be read and understood" (VII-10-1) and "The Quran is to be understood literally if nothing else is indicated" (VII-10-2).

2. http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked by many Muslim authorities. To debate with persons in such areas, cut and paste what you want from the pages and send it under titles different from http://www.1000mistakes.com.

3. http://www.1000mistakes.com is one of 9 pages which Muslim organisetions warned especially against in 2008 and 2009 - it could make especially procelytes lose their belief in Islam; correct and "down-to-the-earth" information works. In this connection it is worth noting that in the "warning" http://www.1000mistakes.com was one of 3 which neither was accused of bringing wrong facts, nor of being a hate page.

4. Comment 141 (to verse 6/149) in “The Message of the Quran” (see point 5) explains (translated from Swedish) about Allah's claimed omniscience vs. man's claimed free will:

“With other words: The real connection between Allah’s knowledge about the future (and consequently about the unavoidable in what is to happen in the future*) on one side and man’s relatively (!!*) free will on the other – two statements that seems to contradict each other – lies outside what is possible for humans to understand, but as both statement are made from Allah (in the Quran*) both must be true”. Unbelievable. Blind belief is the only correct and intelligent way of life, even in the face of the utterly impossible!!

5. And an afterthought: In the book “The Message of the Quran”, certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy in Cairo (one of the 2-3 top universities in the Muslim world on such subjects) in a letter dated 27. Dec. 1998, it is admitted rather reluctantly that there are no proofs for Allah, and that it is not possible to prove him. An additonal point here is that if there is no proof for Allah and impossible to prove him, automatically there also is no proof for, and impossible to prove Muhammad's claimed connection to a god. And if there is no Allah and/or no connection between Muhammad and a god, what then is Islam?

6. Further: All the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in that book prove 100% that the Quran is not made by an omniscient god - no god makes such and so many mistakes, etc. If then Islam is a made up religion, what then about all the Muslims who have been prohibitted from looking for a real religion (if such one exists)? And where will they in case wake up after living and practising such an inhuman war religion like Islam is according to the Quran (and to Hadiths), if there is a second life somewhere? - Hell or Paradise?

7. NB and PS: No matter how sure you are about something, if it is not proved, it is not knowledge, only belief or strong belief, and can be wrong. Only what is proved or possible to prove is knowledge.

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