PART II, CHAPTER 1, Subchapter 3, Section 10 (= II-1-3-10)

MISTAKES AND ERRORS - MISTAKEN FACTS - IN THE QURAN, THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH. A SHORTLIST OF SUCH MISTAKES AND ERRORS IN THE QURAN ARRANGED BY THEMES

Mostly one of each or similar kind for overview. 16 sections.

(The “complete” list is in Part II, Chapter 1, Subchapter 4, Sections 1 through 8.)

SOME CLEAR MISTAKES AND ERRORS ABOUT THE VISIBLE SKY IN THE QURAN - THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH

(PART II, CHAPTERS 1 - 10 included subchapters = MEGA MISTAKES, MISTAKES, ERRORS, CONTRADICTIONS, INVALID LOGIC, ABROGATIONS, ETC. IN THE QURAN - THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH. AT LEAST 100% PROOF FOR THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG - NO OMNISCIENT GOD MAKES MISTAKES)

Comments in this book numbered by 3 numbers (included 00 or 0) a few places followed by one small letter = clear cases. Comments numbered by 00 or 0 followed by 1, 2 or 3 letters (big or small) = likely cases.

Contents in this Section:

1. The Islamic Universe.
2. Who created it? - and from what?
3. How was it created?
4. How many heavens exist?
5. How are the heavens formed? - and their defence.
6. How is the quality of the construction?
7. What about the sun, moon, and stars?
8. How long did the creation take?
9. What will be the end of the physical heaven (and Earth)?

1. The Islamic universe.

According to the Quran the “everything” is like this:

On top of all - above the 7. heaven Allah has his residence.

Seven heavens above the Earth – one on top of the other.

The heavens are resting on the Earth by means of invisible pilars.

In between them are the sun (?) and the moon.

The sun is a flat disk (if not it cannot be folded up like it does at the Day of Doom.

The 7 heavens contain Paradise - the higher heavens are for top Muslims.

The lower heaven is for "normal good" Muslims - split in at least 4 gardens = 4 qualities.

Under heavens, and fastened to the lowest one, are all the stars.

Allah often uses stars as shooting stars to chase away bad spirits spying on Heaven.

Under the heavens and stars are clouds – which Allah sometimes breaks to pieces (rain).

Under that the birds are kept up there by the will of Allah only.

On the Earth mountains are set down - or really dropped down.

The reason why Allah has set down mountains on Earth is to stabilize it.

According to Hadiths 2 of the rivers on Earth starts in Heaven - the Nile and Euprathes.

On the Earth also all kinds of beings live – created from clay or something or nothing.

Man - Adam - is cerated in 13 different ways if you count exactly and strictly.

All this is existing or living on our flat Earth.

There are 7 earths - according to Hadiths the others are under "our" Earth.

According to Hadiths Islam knows the names of the 7 Earths.

The lower the Earth the more Hell-like is the situation for its inhabitants, Hadiths tell.

And at the bottom Hell (?)

All this (possibly with the exception of Heaven and Hell) was created in 6 - or 8 - days.

Just like your teacher of geograpy told you? And who created this nonsence?

2. Who created it? - and from what?

001 31/25: “If thou ask them who it is that created the heavens (plural and wrong once more) and the earth, they will certainly say, ‘Allah’”. Wrong. If they believe a god created this, they certainly will name their own god(s) - though in the old Arabia this might have been the polytheistic god al-Lah. (The likeness of the pronunciation of al-Lah and Allah hides the difference when spoken - just like when the Muslims use the word God instead of Allah speaking to non-Muslims - it on the surface camouflages some of the fundamental differences there are between Allah and God/Yahweh for people with little knowledge.)

It is very clear according to the Quran that the creator is Allah. You find that statement – but never a proof – at least in these verses: 10/3 – 11/7 – 21/30 – 21/32 – 23/17 – 25/59 – 30/22 - 32/4 – 35/1 – 39/5 – 41/11 – 41/12 – 50/38 – 51/47 – 79/28.

002 35/1: “- - - Allah, who created (out of nothing) the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -”. In a way it is nearly correct that the heaven as we see it, is made of (nearly) nothing, as an optical illusion is made from photons (but Muhammad was very wrong all the same, as he/the Quran believed it was made from something material – if not f ex. the stars could not be fastened to one of the heavens). But the Earth definitely is not made from nothing - not even if one refers to Big Bang. We may add that the 7 heavens is a construction taken from old Greek and Persian wrong astronomy – they used 7 invisible but strong heavens to try to explain the celestial movements. A fact Muslims never mention.

3. How was it created?

**003 21/30: “Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens (plural and wrong) and the earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation), before We (Allah*) clove them asunder?” Heaven is an optical illusion - a fact that is well known today, but Muhammad did not know it - and an illusion cannot be “cloven asunder” from a material thing. We also have met Muslims saying that the theory of the Big Bang proves the Quran. But the Big Bang “clove something asunder” 13.7 billion years ago, whereas our sun (Helios or Sun*) is a 3. generation star, and it and the planets included Earth are just 4.6 billion years old (the latest numbers actually are 4.57 billion years). The differences in age, and far more the fact that our sun is 3. generation, (which means that the stuff the earth - and the sun – is made from, has been through two cycles of being fluid and mixed parts of (former) suns that became super novas (exploding stars) and were spread over large parts of cosmos where it mixed with remnants of other exploded super novas, and at last coalesce to make a new sun and planets) makes the Big Bang totally irrelevant in this connection – for all the previous 9 billion years the Earth and the sun and the planets just were scattered atoms, molecules and fragments in a celestial “mixer” – not an Earth, etc. that could be identified and could “be joined together” or “cloven asunder” with the sky. At least the professors at Al-Ahzar University know this because these are very well known facts, and it is dishonesty to try to cheat people by using this “argument” in f. ex. “The Message of the Quran” - a book pretending to give, as seen from the Muslim point of view, correct information on and explanations of the Quran, certified by one of the highest authorities on the Quran in the Muslim world, the above-mentioned university.

Conclusions: According to the Quran Allah created a quantity of something like smoke, ordered the smoke to “come together”, and afterwards split that mass in 2 – the Earth (actually 7 Earths) in one part, and the heaven as we see it (but actually 7 material heavens according to the Quran - and Islam) in the other part. It should be unnecessary to mention that this has no similarity to what really happened. The Big Bang spread gas – nearly only hydrogen (H), but with traces of helium (He) in ionized and thus opaque form – and absolutely no smoke, because even micro particles did not exist yet, over vast realms. After some 300ooo – 380ooo years the gas had cooled enough to be able to combine to molecules (mainly H2) that could condense to stars. The first stars tended strongly to be super giants because the gas in space was by far more tightly packed than today and thus easier to mop up to make big stars. In the stars H2 was transformed to different atoms up to iron by means of atomic reactions that releases the energy stars “live” from.

But in super giants these reactions runs fast because of very high temperature and pressure. Already after some 10 million years – or mor if they were smaller - they explode in super-novas. In the extreme conditions of those explosions the heavier stuff is created – and spewed out into the Universe. There it became parts of the gas clouds that over aeons condensed to new stars. The average size now was smaller, for natural reasons – the gas clouds were less dense. Because of somewhat smaller average size, the average “life” was somewhat longer. But even so a large percentage also of this 2. generation stars were big enough to go supernova sooner or later (often still pretty fast) – and then a new circle started. Gas clouds – that now contained a small percentage of other matter than H2 and He – condensed to even new stars.

And here finally our star – Helios or Sun – fits in. Our sun is a 3. generation star – and because of that there were enough heavy material to make "rock planets" like the Earth.

But heaven and Earth never was smoke. The stars and the sun never made up one mass with a recognizable Earth (another fact that made that impossible: Earth was made 9.1 billion years and trillions of stars later than the universe). Not to mention that a recognizeable Earth and heaven/stars/etc never were one mass that was split apart leaving the Earth like we know it ready for life and living beings.

The Quran and Muhammad could hardly have been more wrong even if they really had tried to.

004 41/11a: “- - - it (the sky) had been (as) smoke - - -)”. The sky according to Muhammad was something material (the stars were fastened to the lowermost heaven, f. ex.) and had to be made from something. But it is wrong. The sky as we see it, is just an optical illusion.

Some Muslims discover the Big Bang and the cloudlike state after that, and in triumph present you for this “proof” of Islam's being scientific and correct. But the Big Bang happened 13.7 billion years ago according to science. The cloudy state lasted for 300ooo – 380ooo years, but it was made from ionized gas (hydrogen and a little helium - they are opaque when ionized), not from smoke. And our sun and earth did not coalesce until nore than 9 billion years later - 4.57 billion years ago - and are on top of all 3. generation creations. The connection between the clouds (not smoke) after the Big Bang and Earth is highly feeble and has nothing to do with our sky. More logical but less frequently quoted, are the tales saying the sky was made from the cloud of dust and gas slowly coalescing into the sun, the planets, etc. But that material ended as the sun, the planets, etc. - an optical illusion like our sky is not made from gas or dust or clouds. It is made from light only. See 41/11c below.

005 41/11b: “Come ye (Earth and sky*) together - - -”. Earth and sky never were separated in two or more parts that then could come together. (Islam tries to explain that what is meant is gas, mainly H2 – hydrogen. But hydrogen – or other gases - has nothing to do with smoke – any god had known. (Smoke = micro particles floating in gas – without the micro particles no smoke).

***006 41/11c: “He (Allah*) said to it (the sky) and the earth: ’Come ye together - - -’”. The sky as we see it by day is just an optical illusion that is a result of the refraction - bending - of light in the rarefied upper atmosphere - it is blue because blue light bends the least. It simply is physical laws at work - there is no question of “coming together” (and physically impossible).

The night sky is another optical illusion - the day sky and the night sky are not even “made” in the same way. Here we see a "sky" because we are unable to see 3 dimensions at those distances. At night it is if possible even more wrong to talk about things coming together.Any god knew this. Muhammad believed in the local wrong astronomy. Who composed the Quran?

00a 51/47: “- - - it is We (Allah*) Who created the vastness of space.” Here is a point that should be controlled: According to one of our sources, the word that is used in Arab is “samaa” which is said to mean “sky”, whereas the Arab word for “universe” or “space” is said to be “al-kawn”. We have till now been unable to check this for sure, but mention it because such dishonesty tells so very much if it is true – and we find dishonesty too often in Islamic media/books (though we had originally not expected it from a man like Yusuf Ali).

4. How many heavens exist? (The 7 heavens/skies/tracts/firmaments.)

*007 2/29: “- - - He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments - - -”. Firmament is another word for the heaven we see it, though mostly used for the night sky. The Quran many places tells about the seven heavens or firmaments or tracts (the word “heavens” or similar is used in plural in the Quran at least 199 times) - there is no doubt that according to the Quran there are 7 (material) heavens. (Islam also “knows” who inhabit the different heavens - f. ex. Jesus in the 2. heaven, Joseph in 4., Aaron in 5., Moses in 6., and Abraham in the 7. heaven, and Allah above the 7. heaven, to mention some). There also is no doubt that the Quran believes the heavens are material - if not it was not possible to build it or to fix the stars to the lowermost heaven, like the Quran states several places. No god had believed this - but Muhammad did, as this was what one believed in the Middle East at the time of Muhammad. The seven heavens are taken from old Greek astronomy - or perhaps from Persian astronomy, which also believed in 7 heavens (1 heaven for carrying the stars, 1 for each of the 4 known planers, and one each for the sun and the moon). Any god, but not Muhammad, would have known it was very wrong. Islam has several “explanations” concerning this very obvious mistake, but we have never seen or heard any Muslim mentioning even the possibility that Muhammad’s picture about astronomy could be explained by his believing in Greek or Persian astronomy.

008 4/131: “- - - heavens - - -“(plural, but the number not mentioned. NB: In Arab plural means at least 3, as Arab is among the languages that has a special form - dualis - when talking about two - but the word here refers to the 7 heavens Muhammad believed in). Even if the statement is repeated 2 times in the same verse like in this one, there still are no 7 material heavens (see 2/22). Any god had known, but Muhammad believed in the contemporary Greek and Persian astronomy – Muslims NEVER mention that 7 heavens was the astronomy of the area at the time of Muhammad, and neither does Islam. Everybody is free to wonder why.

009 10/6: “- - - heavens - - -” (the number not mentioned - see 4/131 above). This word is used in plural something like 190 times in the Quran. (The words “heavens”, “seven heavens“,”firmaments”, “seven tracts“, and “seven firmaments” are used altogether at least 199 times in plural - there is no doubt that the Quran believes in 7 heavens). The plural of the word refers to what was correct astronomy in the Middle East at the time of Muhammad: That the stars, the 4 known planets, the sun and the moon were fixed to 7 invisible, but strong heavens formed like hemispheres (actually the Greeks knew the Earth was a sphere, so then the heavens had to be spheres) over the Earth. The Arabs and many others got this picture of from Greek and from Persian astronomy. Muslims today of course know it is wrong, and are “explaining” the 7 heavens in different ways - from vague thoughts about space, to telling that it means something else as - they say - in old Arabia the number 7 also could mean “many” (as if that is more correct in this case than 7), and to referring to 7 layers in the atmosphere as the 7 heavens (without explaining how the stars were fixed to the lowermost of the heavens, or explaining how resurrected material humans can walk around on layers of the atmosphere - the Paradise is in the Heavens - like Islamic scriptures tell), etc. Strangely till now none of our group have met a single Muslim mentioning that 7 heavens were the correct astronomy at the time of Muhammad - may be they prefer not to mention that, because the logical next question then is: A god knew there were no 7 heavens, Muhammad believed there were. Then who made the Quran?

You will find this reference to the 7 non-existing heavens at least in these verses: 2/22 – 29 -107 - 144 – 164 – 255 x 2 – 284 – 3/5 – 29 – 83 – 3/109 - 128 – 132 – 180 – 189 – 190 – 191 – 4/126 – 131 x 2 – 132 – 170 – 171 – 5/17 – 40 – 97 – 120 – 6/1 – 3 – 12 – 14 – 73 – 75 – 79 – 101 – 7/54 – 158 – 185 – 187 – 9/36 – 116 – 10/3 – 6 – 18 – 55 – 66 – 68 – 10/1 – 3 – 11/7 - 107 – 108 – 123 – 12/101 – 105 – 13/2 – 15 - 16 – 18 – 14/2 – 10 – 19 – 24 – 32 – 48 – 15/16 – 85 – 16/3 – 49 – 52 – 73 - 77 – 17/95 – 99 – 102 – 18/14 – 26 – 51 – 19/65 – 93 – 20/4 – 6 – 21/4 – 16 – 19 – 22 – 30 – 32 – 104 – 22/18 – 56 – 64 – 23/71 – 24/6 – 35 – 41 – 42 – 25/2 – 6 – 59 – 26/24 – 27/25 – 60 – 65 – 87 – 29/44 – 52 - 61 - 30/8 – 18 – 22 – 27 – 66 – 31/10 -16 – 20 – 25 – 32/4 – 5 – 33/72 – 34/1 – 3 – 22 – 24 – 35/1 – 38 – 40 - 41 – 44 – 36/81 – 37/5 – 38/10 – 39/5 – 38 – 46 – 63 – 67 – 68 – 40/37 – 57 – 42/4 – 5 – 11 – 12 - 42 – 49 – 53 – 43/9 – 82 – 85 – 44/7 – 38 – 45/3 – 13 – 22 – 27 – 36 – 37 – 46/3 – 4 – 33 – 49/16 – 50/38 – 52/36 – 53/26 – 31 – 55/29 – 33 – 57/1 – 2 – 4 – 5 - 10 – 58/7 – 59/1 – 24 – 61/1 – 62/1 – 63/7- 64/1 – 3 - 4 – 78/19 – 37 – 85/9.

010 41/12: “He (Allah*) assigned to each heaven its duty and command”. How could he do that when there were no 7 heavens?

011 53/49: “- - - He (Allah) is the Lord of Sirius (the Mighty Star) - - -”. Sirius it not very mighty, even if it may look like that from Earth. It is a dwarf compared to stars like Betelgeuse, Aldebaran and millions more. And just a firecracker compared to f. ex. the enormously potent Eta Carinae (borderline enormous and unstable for exploding, and expected to go supernova in the astronomically near future). Not to mention compared to the real super giants.

***012 67/3: “He (Allah*) Who created the seven heavens one above another - - -”. It is hardly possible to state the Quran’s picture of our sky more accurately and clearly than this. Neither is possible to be much more wrong, especially when we add that according to the Quran the heavens are held up by invisible pillars, that the heavens are made from something material (if not you could not fasten the stars, etc. to them), that the stars are fixed to the lowest heaven with the sun (?) and the moon between the heavens, and that the stars also double as shooting stars to chase away spying bad spirits - and everything kept up there by invisible pilars resting on Earth. Who composed the Quran - a god or someone not omniscient? Muhammad perhaps? (And 71/15 even confirms “one above the other”).

*013 78/12: “And have We (Allah*) built over you the seven firmaments - - -?” For something to be built, materials have to be used. One more confirmation for that the heavens are material. Muslims sometimes explains that 7 in old Arab was a synonym for “many” (and 70 for “very many“), and that the Quran consequently does not mean 7 but many. But honestly “many” is at least as wrong as “7”. And you will find mentioned 7 heavens, firmaments or tracts in at least these verses: 2/29 - 17/44 – 23/17 – 23/86 – 41/12 – 65/12 – 67/3 -71/15 – 78/12. (Also see 10/6).

5. How are the heavens formed? - and its defence.

*014 2/22: “- - - and the heavens (plural and wrong*) your canopy - - -”. The heaven/sky is no canopy. The “heaven” we see at daytime, really is an illusion caused by the bending of light, and the “smooth” heaven we see at night, also is an illusion, caused by the fact that we are unable to see the third dimension up there because of the huge distances, and get the impression that the stars all are at the same distance from us. Any god had known this, but Mohammad not. Also see 67/3a, 67/3b, 67/5a, and 67/5b. Muslims tend to explain the heavens (plural and wrong) with space and stars and galaxies - but each time they then “forget” to explain how the stars are fastened to the lowermost of the 7 heavens the Quran tells exist, or how the stars are used as shooting stars. They also sometimes tell the 7 heavens = 7 layers in the atmosphere. No comments - but think about stars like Aldebaran - a giant star - fixed to a layer in our atmosphere. A joke. The claim about canopies you at find least in 2/22 – 21/32 – 40/64 – 52/5 - 79/28. You will even find f. ex. in 21/32 that it is well guarded – see below.

**015 13/2: “Allah is He Who raised the heavens (plural and wrong) without any pillars that ye can see: - - -”. A Muslim information organisation was ca. 2007 asked to explain this sentence. They replied not 100% politely, that anyone with an IQ of 60 or more had to understand that this meant that the pillars did not exist. The person that asked, replied that he knew the difference between non-existent and invisible - the meaning in the sentence above is “invisible” - and asked them please to give him a real explanation. They never answered.

There exist no pillars - visible or invisible. And actually the idea is ridicules, as there exists no material heaven that needs to be kept in position - the heaven we see is just an optical illusion. Any god - even small ones - would know this, but Muhammad naturally not. Then who made the Quran?

Besides no man or animal or bird has ever banged into such an invisible pillar – and no plane collided with one. Also see 31/10a in the full list.

016 15/17: “- - - We (Allah*) have guarded them (the Zodiacal Signs*) from every evil spirit accursed: - - -” According to the Quran, the stars – included the Zodiacal signs – are fastened to the lowermost of 7 (material – they have to be if the stars can be fastened to one of them) heavens. But jinns/bad spirits wanted to spy on the heavens, and had to be chased away by stars used as shooting stars. And then the Zodiacal signs were guarded at the same time. According to science this is utter nonsense to at least the fifth power. Any god had known – even baby ones – but Muhammad not. Then who made the Quran with all its mistaken facts, etc.?

**017 21/32: “And We (Allah*) have made the heavens (plural and wrong*) as a canopy well guarded - - -”. Muhammad was unable to see the difference between stars and shooting stars. In the Quran it is told that the shooting stars (mistaken for being ordinary stars) are “arrows” used to chase away bad spirits or jinns (beings “borrowed” from old Arab folklore) wanting to spy on Heaven. Any child today knows the difference between a real star and a shooting star, and also what would happen on and to the Earth if shooting stars were real stars. Even a baby dwarf god had known this - but Muhammad not, as it is modern knowledge. The pertinent or impertinent question: Who then composed the Quran?

***018 37/6+7: “We (Allah*) have decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars - (For beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious evil spirits.” See first 37/6. Then: The Quran does not know the difference between a star and a shooting star, and tells that the stars are used for chasing away evil spirits that wants to spy or listen to what is said in Heaven. The shooting stars are used as weapons in such cases. It should not be necessary to say that this is wrong at least to the 25th od 30th order = the difference between the mass of a star and of a shooting star. Also see verse 8. That the lowest heaven is guarded belongs only in fairy tales. Any god had known - then who made the Quran?

***019 67/5: “- - - and We (Allah*) have made such (lamps (stars*) as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones - - -”. Well, well. Any secondary school child able to see that the entry from the same verse 67/5a were wrong, would laugh from this: Stars fastened to the lowest heaven and then doubling as shooting stars to drive away bad spirits! Today it is clear such "informations" only belongs in fairy tales. Also see 67/3 and 67/5a. Who made the Quran?

No further comments - except that you find similar in 15/17-18 - 37/10 – 72/8

6. How is the quality of the constructions? (May be parts will fall down?)

00b 22/65: Has Muhammad Ali made an “al-Taqiyya” (lawful lie) here? He says that Allah “withholds the sky (rain) from falling on the earth”. But according to “The Message of the Quran” the Arab text says that Allah withholds the heaven from falling down on Earth. Quite a scientific mistake in case. And also a dishonesty from A. Yusuf Ali in case.

*020 32/23: “He (Allah*) Who has made everything which He has created most Good - - -”. Wrong. Far from everything is made most good. To take humans: We could do with seeing a bit more of the electromagnetic spectre, we could do with a body able to produce more vitamins, we could do with better resistance against illnesses, we could do with a body stronger for wear and tear, we could do with stronger bones and other body parts, we could do a lot better with auto regeneration of lost body parts, and lots and lots of more that could have been better and closer to what is “most Good”. Also see 67/3b in the "complete" list of mistakes.

021 34/9: “- - - We (Allah*) could cause a piece of the sky to fall upon them.” The sky as we see it is an optical illusion (Muhammad believed it was something material to which the stars were fastened). How can a piece of an optical illusion - a mirage so to say - fall down upon someone? Muslims tend to “explain” this with that the Quran talks about a shooting star or similar. But the book other places talks about such falling stars, and even though it believes it to be ordinary stars, it very clearly knows the difference between this and the sky. There is no doubt it is talking about a piece of the sky itself. Also see 17/92 – 52/44.

**022 50/6: “- - - and there are no flaws in it (the sky*) - - -”. The sky is two different optical illusions - by day one made by bending of sunlight, and by night by our inability to see the 3 dimensions at long distance:

1. As the sunlight by day hits the entire atmosphere and bends light all over, flaws are not there. (There really are no flaws, but shimmering because of temperature differences in the atmosphere is easy to see when you use a telescope – and by night often the flickering of stars). Once more a natural occurrence the Quran says is because of Allah, without any proof. Another loose statement. Yes, how can there be flaws in optical illusions?
2. At night we see deep into the vacuum of space. There are no flaws in vacuum. And physically speaking: How can there be visible flaws in vacuum?. Once more: A loose statement without real value - except for cheaters and deceivers.

Any priest in any religion can say just the same about his god(s). Words are that cheap.

7. What about sun, moon and stars?

*023 2/189: “They (the new moons*) are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men, - - -”. Wrong - the new moons simply is a natural phenomenon that man often uses to calculate time. But it is not made for that purpose. If Islam insists on that, they will have to prove it.

024 6/96: “He makes - - - the sun and the moon for the reckoning (of time)”. Wrong. They - and especially the sun - are natural phenomena that are essential to life on Earth (the moon may have been essential to the emergence of life, at least on dry land). It so happens that they are ok for reckoning time, but they are not made for it. (Actually they hardly are made even especially for sustaining life on Earth.)

025 31/29: “Seest thou not - - - that He (Allah*) has subjected the sun and the moon (to His Law), each running its course - - -.” Wrong. Relative to the Earth the sun is fixed and it is the Earth that is moving. (“Explanation” from some Muslims: We drop the fact that it here is talk about the relative movements between the Earth and the sun – obvious partly because it is talk about movement relative to the observer on Earth, and obvious from the fact that is talk about the movements of both the sun and the moon – and we drop the fact that the verse started with “Seest thou not - - -“, and find the obvious meaning in occurences that man of that time simply could not see: Muhammad told about the sun’s course around the galaxy, once every 225 million years (new numbers from 2009 indicate that the stars are moving somewhat faster and hence that this number is a bit lower). Well, it could have been obvious, if they had explained why they settled for just that movement – because the galaxy is moving around in the Local Group (a small cluster of galaxies), which again is mowing around in our local Super Group (cluster of a couple of thousands galaxies), which again is mowing towards some enormous centre of gravity called The Great Attractor - - - which again may be on its way somewhere. (Muhammad clearly had not the faintest idea about the real connections between Earth, moon and sun – any god had known everything exactly. And Muslims are eager finding "explanations" so they do not have to see the mistakes.) Also see 33/29ab - 36/40 – 39/5 – 39/38 - 91/2

Are they just cherry picking the arguments they like and that seemingly is usable, no matter whether it really fits or not? Well, it would not be the first time.

00b 36/38: The normal translation of 36/38 (Arab: “li-mustaqarrin laha”) is (translated from Swedish): “And the sun runs to its place of rest” which is way out wrong. But as the old Arab written language far from was exact, Muhammad Ali’s transcription is a possible, if less likely one – as is “(to) the end point for the course which it follows” and - inserting other vowels among the written consonants (in old Arab only the consonants were written) and getting the expression “la mustaqrra laha” – “it runs its course without resting” (Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud/Zamakhshari). Or “The sun runs its course to a certain extent, then it stops” (Baydawi: “The Lights of Revelation” p.585). No matter which translation you choose here it is wrong.

026 36/39: “- - - till she (the Moon*) returns like the old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk (that takes a crescent form*)”. Wrong. The moon does not become a crescent - it only looks like that, and even Mohammad could have seen that, if he had been observant: Within the circle indicated by the crescent, and that in reality is covered by the moon, you never see a star. Any god had known this. Muhammad obviously not. Who made the Quran?

Actually the moon does not mean much – according to the Quran it is mainly meant for reckoning time – and the sun, too, partly (see f. ex. 2/189 above).

***027 67/5: “And We (Allah*) have (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps (Stars*) - - -”. The Quran’s picture of cosmos is taken from Greek and/or Persian astronomy, and as any secondary school child not blinded by religious indoctrination can see; it is much wrong. For one thing the heavens have to be made from something material to make possible fixing the stars to one of them. Besides: From Greek etc. astronomy we know that the planets, stars, sun and moon were fixed to different heavens. As the stars according to the Quran is fixed to the lowest, they have to be lover than the moon – this also is confirmed by the fact that the Quran places the moon between heavens. But what happens if you try to place say Betelgeuse or even Helios - our sun - below Luna - our moon? Answer not necessary. Except: Who made rhe Quran?

Further: Our rockets cannot go too high - they will collide with the material heavens!!! Muhammad said the Quran is perfect and without mistakes or flaws. The Quran says the Quran is perfect and without mistakes or flaws. Islam says the Quran is perfect and without mistakes or flaws. Muslims say the Quran is perfect and without mistakes or flaws. All of them says the Quran is perfect and without mistakes or flaws because Allah sent down the copy of a book he had made or which had existed forever - a book which is the revered “Mother Book” (f. ex. 13/39 - 43/4) in the heaven of Allah - and an omniscient god can neither make mistakes nor revere texts containing lots of mistakes, flaws and hallmarks of cheats and deceivers. Also see 67/3 and 67/5b just below.

BUT WHAT DO ALL THOSE WORDS HELP WHEN THE MISTAKES AND THE FLAWS ARE THERE ANYHOW? AND WHEN ISLAM TELLS THAT THE TOTAL LACK OF ANY MISTAKE IN THE QURAN PROVES IT IS FROM ALLAH, WHAT THEN DO MEGA BLUNDERS LIKE THIS PROVE?

028 71/16: “And made the moon a lamp in their (the heavens’) midst - - -.” The moon is not in the midst of the 7 heavens (= somewhere among the stars or actually above them, as the stars are fastenend to the lowest heaven) of Muhammad. Any even baby god had known, Muhammad not. Who made the Quran?

**029 76/13: “- - - (the moon’s) excessive cold.” The moon often is up at night. Clear nights - when you can see the moon - often are very cold in deserts like in Arabia. But the cold is not because of the moon - that is just a coincidence. It is cold because Earth radiates more of its heath to space when the sky is clear - something Muhammad could not know, but any god had known it. Who composed the Quran?

8. How long time did the creation take?

030 11/7: “He (Allah*) it is Who created the heavens (plural and wrong) and the earth in six days”. Once more: It took a lot of more time. And any god knows that - but Muhammad did not. (Muslims sometimes say that the Arab word for day, also may mean aeon, but as we have found this translation of the word in no quality book or heard it from any educated person, this seems to be an obvious try to explain this blunder away). Also see 41/9-12 below and the mega mistakes.

That it took 6 days, is mentioned at lest in 10/3 – 11/7 – 25/59 – 32/4 – 50/38 - 57/4. But:

***031 41/9-12: “(Allah*) created the earth in two Days - - -. He set on the (earth) mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them (living entities*) nourishment in due proportions, in four Days - - - (and*) So he completed them (the sky*) as seven firmaments, in two Days - - -”. This makes 8 days - very inconsistent and very wrong compared to what the Quran normally says: 6 days. (Not to mention the 13.7 billion years science has found out - or 4.57 billion years for Earth - or hundreds of millions of years till it got the first primitive life). One more contradiction. We have been told we have to be very stupid who does not understand that the two first days are included in the next four. We admit that is the only way Islam can try to “explain” this away - but that very clearly is not what the text says. (“The Message of the Quran has “doctored” the Quran a little (at least in the Swedish translation) to make the “explanation” not quite so dumb - but only “not quite so”, as Yusuf Ali’s translation is very clear).

That means that everything was made in 6 or 8 days – a small intern contradiction. But nothing compared with the contradiction reality makes: 13.7 billion years.

9. And what will be the end of the physical heaven?

032 73/18: “- - - the sky will be cleft asunder - - -.” How can vacuum be cleft asunder? (Also see 69/16 – 76/9 – 82/1 – 84/1.)

**033 75/8+9: “(The day when*) the moon is buried in darkness, And the sun and the moon are joined together - - -”. This is physically impossible the first some 5 billion years. And the day it may become possible, the Paradise as described in the Quran is not longer possible. Because - and not least: That day the moon will not be buried in darkness, but in intense light - and a Day of Doom and Paradise like described in the Quran will be impossible. Because that day both the Earth and the moon are buried inside the sun - if that happens (science is not quite sure the sun will balloon enough). But in any case the hugely swollen sun will make any place inside Jupiter too hot for a paradise on Earth or in the heaven over/around Earth - the Quran places Paradise there under a benign and everlasting sun. Also everlasting will be impossible and wrong, because science tells that in some 5 billion years the Earth either is inside the giant swollen, red (not yellow any more) sun, and sporting ca. 3000 centigrades, or just above the then giant star and with a temperature on the Earth of some 2ooo+ degrees centigrade - hotter than in the flames of the Muslim Hell.

034 78/1: “And the heavens (plural and wrong*) shall be opened as if there were doors - - -”. There is nothing to open in open space.

035 81/2: “When (at the Last Day*) the stars (here it is talk about the real stars, not shooting stars*) fall (on Earth*), loosing their lustre - - -”. The stars cannot fall on earth - never according to science. Theoretically Earth can fall into the sun – and may do so in 5 billion years time – but not visa versa (it will be the Earth that moves, not the sun). And “loosing their lustre”? – it takes millions and billions of years for a star/sun to cool so much that it stops radiating light.

036 81/1+ 4 + 5: “When the sun (with its spacious light) is folded up (Muhammad seems to believe the sun is a flat disk that can be folded up) - - - the she-camels, 10 months with young, are left untended (and*) When the wild beasts are herded together (in human habitations) - - -”. In some 5 billion years the sun will become a red giant, according to science. The Earth will either be swallowed by it or circle just above its surface. If Earth survives, it will then have a surface temperature of some 2ooo+ C - and all camels, wild beasts and humans will be gone billions of years before, and the Earth will only be dry cinder. From then it will take many billions of years before the sun becomes dark (it will schrink to become a white dwarf and keep shining). Very wrong time factor. Any god had known.

NB: If you find any mistakes anywhere, please inform us. If it is a real mistake, it will be corrected.

NB, NB, NB:

1. Read first the 2 small chapters "Some Essentials for how the Quran is to be read and understood" (VII-10-1) and "The Quran is to be understood literally if nothing else is indicated" (VII-10-2).

2. http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked by many Muslim authorities. To debate with persons in such areas, cut and paste what you want from the pages and send it under titles different from http://www.1000mistakes.com.

3. http://www.1000mistakes.com is one of 9 pages which Muslim organisetions warned especially against in 2008 and 2009 - it could make especially procelytes lose their belief in Islam; correct and "down-to-the-earth" information works. In this connection it is worth noting that in the "warning" http://www.1000mistakes.com was one of 3 which neither was accused of bringing wrong facts, nor of being a hate page.

4. Comment 141 (to verse 6/149) in “The Message of the Quran” (see point 5) explains (translated from Swedish) about Allah's claimed omniscience vs. man's claimed free will:

“With other words: The real connection between Allah’s knowledge about the future (and consequently about the unavoidable in what is to happen in the future*) on one side and man’s relatively (!!*) free will on the other – two statements that seems to contradict each other – lies outside what is possible for humans to understand, but as both statement are made from Allah (in the Quran*) both must be true”. Unbelievable. Blind belief is the only correct and intelligent way of life, even in the face of the utterly impossible!!

5. And an afterthought: In the book “The Message of the Quran”, certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy in Cairo (one of the 2-3 top universities in the Muslim world on such subjects) in a letter dated 27. Dec. 1998, it is admitted rather reluctantly that there are no proofs for Allah, and that it is not possible to prove him. An additonal point here is that if there is no proof for Allah and impossible to prove him, automatically there also is no proof for, and impossible to prove Muhammad's claimed connection to a god. And if there is no Allah and/or no connection between Muhammad and a god, what then is Islam?

6. Further: All the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in that book prove 100% that the Quran is not made by an omniscient god - no god makes such and so many mistakes, etc. If then Islam is a made up religion, what then about all the Muslims who have been prohibitted from looking for a real religion (if such one exists)? And where will they in case wake up after living and practising such an inhuman war religion like Islam is according to the Quran (and to Hadiths), if there is a second life somewhere? - Hell or Paradise?

7. NB and PS: No matter how sure you are about something, if it is not proved, it is not knowledge, only belief or strong belief, and can be wrong. Only what is proved or possible to prove is knowledge.

(As http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked in many Muslim areas - which shows they are afraid of it and lack arguments (if they had real arguments for http://www.1000mistakes.com is wrong, blocking was unneccessary) - "cut and paste" whatever you want from it and send if you want to inform or to debate there. Remember to omit the name http://www.1000mistakes.com).

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