PART II, CHAPTER 1, Subchapter 3, Section 7 (= II-1-3-7)

MISTAKES AND ERRORS - MISTAKEN FACTS - IN THE QURAN, THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH. A SHORTLIST OF SUCH MISTAKES AND ERRORS IN THE QURAN ARRANGED BY THEMES

Mostly one of each or similar kind for overview. 16 sections.

(The “complete” list is in Part II, Chapter 1, Subchapter 4, Sections 1 through 8.)

SOME CLEAR MISTAKES AND ERRORS ABOUT THE BIBLE IN THE QURAN - THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH:

(PART II, CHAPTERS 1 - 10 included subchapters = MEGA MISTAKES, MISTAKES, ERRORS, CONTRADICTIONS, INVALID LOGIC, ABROGATIONS, ETC. IN THE QURAN - THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH. AT LEAST 100% PROOF FOR THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG - NO OMNISCIENT GOD MAKES MISTAKES)

Comments in this book numbered by 3 numbers (included 00 or 0) a few places followed by one small letter = clear cases. Comments numbered by 00 or 0 followed by 1, 2 or 3 letters (big or small) = likely cases.

Muhammad most likely got his inspiration for “the one god” from the neighbouring Jewish and Christian religions. The Zoroastrians that in a way was a border line case, he seems to have known little about, but there are ideas and tales in Islam that may derive from there. In addition there was a small sect in Arabia that believed in one god, but that one seems to have had little influence, except perhaps as one of the backgrounds for his thinking in the beginning.

He came to mean that the main pagan god, al-Lah, was the only real god and that all the other Arab pagan gods were fictions. Then as he had one god and the Jews and the Christians had one and only one, his god had to be the same god as theirs. Actually this was no new idea (Muhammad had few if any new ideas on any subject) – the Arabs had for ages thought that may be their al-Lah (Muhammad changed the name slightly to Allah - just the same letters but slightly different pronounsiation) and the Jewish and Christian god Yahweh was the same god.

And as they (presumably) were the same god, also the holy books had to be the same. But he or whoever made the Quran, did not bother – or take the expenses – of getting hold of a copy of the Bible, and not even of the Torah and the rest of the OT, which should not be too difficult, as the Jews in the neighbourhood surely had at least one or a few in their synagogues, and to have a copy made should have been possible – though expensive as it had to be written by hand by a scribe (but he had married a rich widow).

Instead he or the ones that made the Quran – it was not made by any god with all those mistakes, contradictions, places with wrong logic, etc – relied on the rich tradition of story telling, a traditional pastime in most of the world before cheap books, film and radio came. The trouble was that most of these stories were fairy tales and legends – many of them not even based on the Bible, but on apocryphal – made up – religious scriptures, many of which were made up by fringe religious sects to fit their special ideas about the religion (if Muhammad made or had someone make the Quran, he was far from the only one who made his own “holy scriptures” at that time - and later).

The trouble was that it took a long time before he understood that there was a problem - the real Bible said things differently from the legends. Most likely he did not become fully aware of it until he after 12 years of preaching came to Medina, where there were many Jews, and he tried to recruit them for his own monotheism. By then it was too late. He either had to ditch his religion and accept another – and loose his position as a supreme leader + getting a lot of bad words (to say the least of it) for having lead his followers astray. Or he had to do something. Perhaps he himself also believed in at least parts of what he was preaching (It is out of the question that an intelligent man like him believed in everything in his tales – his excuses for no miracles are good examples of this, as they so obviously were wrong that no intelligent person with knowledge about human nature can believe all of them if he does not absolutely want to or is brain washed.). Especially if he had a brain illness like f. ex. Temporal Lobe Epilepsy – TLE – (source BBC) it is possibel he believer parts of his tales himself.

The solution he did chose – or was forced to chose as it was the only option he had – was the age old “I am right, and all the others are wrong.”

Which automatically meant that the Bible was wrong where it differed from his own tales. And as he thought the Bible was from the god, (it is not – it is made by humans, even the Book of Moses - only inspired by God/Yahweh according to its believers) that meant it must have been falsified. Or this was a good "explanation" if he did not fully believe in everything he himself told.

That is the story and the logic behind the claims that the Bible is falsified. Like normal for Islam there has never been produced any proof or documentation for the claim – it all is a claim resting on nothing. And they have to say it and they have to believe it, because if not Islam is a false religion.

Consequently the scriptures the local Jews had, originally must have been forerunners of and like the Quran until they were falsified, according to his claims.

001 2/75: “- - - seeing that a party of them (the Jews in Medina*) hear the word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it - - -.” Wrong. Science have shown very clearly that the Bible is not falsified, perhaps some mistakes, but not falsificarions – and consequently that it has never been something like the Quran. If Islam means something else, they will have to bring proofs, not only loose claims and even looser statements. Acrually: If Islam had had even a small proof, the world had been forced to hear it every two hours or more – at least.

We may add that Islam and Muslims here try to use the Bible to prove their words – f. ex. Jeremiah 23/36: “Ye have perverted the words of the living God.” This one is dishonesty on two levels:

1. It is for one thing quoted out of context. Jeremiah tells: “If a prophet or a priest or anyone else claims, ‘This is the oracle of the LORD (Yahweh*), I (Yahweh*) will punish that man and his household. - - - But you must not mention ‘the oracle of the LORD’ again because (if you do*) every man’s word becomes his oracle and so you distort the words of the living God”. (NIV). There is an abyss between this meaning and the meaning in the above slightly twisted quotation from the Bible used by Muslims. Dishonest and slightly disgusting – and quite revealing about methods and lacks of real facts and arguments.
2. Even if it had been true – even if Jeremiah had said that the Jews had perverted – though “perverted” is a stronger word than “distorted” – that did not tell one millimetre about distorting Quranic texts, like here is indicated, only distortion of the Torah.

Knowing that this is taken from the widely distributed and highly prised “The Message of the Quran”, canonized or at least certified by one of the foremost Islamic intellectual institutions in the world, cases like this gives us a bad taste on their behalf: To resort to intellectual dishonesty of this kind is humiliating when found out. One may mention the word "al-Taqiyya" (the lawful lie - a speciality for Islam) - permitted to use sometimes and a duty to use if necessary in defending or promoting Islam. But if a religion is a true one, is it then necessary to lie to promote it?

And for what reason? Just in order to be right, instead of to try to find out what is right. This in spite of the fact that the price if they are wrong, is the loss of the soul of each and every Muslim - - - if there is a Hell in the perhaps next life.

There is much more that differs between the Bible and the Quran. See the chapter about contradictions between those two books.

002 2/89a: “- - - when there comes to them (Jews in Medina*) that (Muhammad's texts that became the Quran*) which they should have recognized (indicating they should have recognized the texts from Muhammad in their OT/Torah*)”. Wrong – the underlying basic thinking and a lot of details are so different, that the only thing possible to recognize, is that something is very wrong in such claims from Muhammad.

Jews and Christians alike – they had got books like the Quran (according to the Quran) – books that the Final Edition of the Book now confirmed (- - - according to the Quran):

*003 2/89b: “- - - (a Book (the Quran*)) confirming what is with them (the Torah and the Bible) - - -”, which means that the Quran confirms the Torah and other holy Jewish scriptures and the Bible. But too many fundamental principles are different - the Quran is no confirmation of neither the Torah, etc., nor of the Bible, not to mention of the New Testament (NT) on which the Christian religion is built. F. ex. “You shall not kill” vs. “You shall not kill without a good reason”, the value of and strife for “the lost lamb”, vs. “You shall not mourn the wrongdoers that ends in Hell”, “Love your enemy” vs. “Kill the enemy wherever you find him”, and “Love your enemy” vs. incitement to and orders of war and hate and discrimination of “infidels”, just to mention some of the deep differences. Not to mention “my empire is not of this world” (translated from Swedish), compared to: Fight for Allah and Muhammad till all non-Muslims are utterly suppressed and pay extra tax. Similar claims at least in 2/41 – 2/91 – 2/97 – 2/101 – 3/3 – 4/47 – 5/48 – 10/37 – 12/111.

004 2/101: “- - - a party of the People of the Book (here Jews – the People of the Book = Jews and Christians, and “the Book” in this connection is the Bible*) threw away the Book of Allah (the Quran*), as if (it had been something) they did not know!” The Quran here tells that the Jews recognized the Quran from the OT. That is wrong – there are so fundamental differences and so many points that are different between the Quran and the Bible, that the only thing that is possible to know, is that something is utterly wrong. Similar claim in 3/78.

When the Jews – there were far more Jews than Christians in the area – disagreed, something had to be wrong with them:

005 3/70: “Why do ye (the Jews*) reject the Signs of Allah, of which ye are (yourselves) witnesses?” They rejected the “Signs” – the teaching of Muhammad (the Quran as a book did not exist yet). The word “Sign” here may refer to two statements:

1. Islam say Muhammad is foretold in the Bible, and especially refers to 5 Mos. 18/15 and 18/18. But the brother of a Jew is a Jew, not an Arab, and the Jews’ fellow countrymen also are Jews, not Arabs. Islam also never mention the next few verses – f. ex. number 18/21 about real and false prophets, and where Muhammad do not even qualify as a real prophet. See the chapter about “Muhammad in the Bible?” Wrong.
2. The other possible claim here is that when Jesus talked to his disciples about a helper that should come to them, Muslims claim that this meant Muhammad, even though they have to twist their “explanation” not a little (they need at least one “foretelling” from GT and one from NT, because it is said that Muhammad is foretold in both) - and even though Muhammad was born 500 years after the disciples were dead he shouls be their helper according to Islam! (Jesus was talking about The Holy Spirit that came to the disciples some days later).
3. The Quran refers to one or two learned Jews that Islam claims accepted Mohammad as a prophet. (This may or may not be true). But it is in no way correct to say that “ye” (all or most of the Jews) did so. On the contrary – may be a thousand Jews were killed and murdered and many more made slaves, because they refused to accept Islam as their religion. Wrong.

See the chapter “Muhammad in the Bible?”

Islam only has produced claims and twisted logic for this – well, claim. They will have to produce documentation or proofs if they want to be believed by others than the brainwashed and the naïve. Similar claims in 2/42 – 2/101 – 2/146.

What was wrong with them, Muhammad said, was that at least they had distorted or thrown away parts of the OT, so that it did not tell the same story as the Quran – which it surely had done when it was sent down from Allah (As mentioned no part of the Bible is “sent down”. It is all written by humans – may be inspired by god, but written by humans. What comes closest to having been “sent down” except for the 10 Commandments are the laws of Moses, which the Bible tells Yahweh told to Moses, and Moses wrote them down later.)

But the most serious and everlasting accusation ended with a more serious accusation – backed by f. ex. 3/24 and 7/162:

006 5/13: “- - - they (the Jews*) change the words (of the OT*) and forget a good part of the Message that was sent them (OT*)”. Christians are accused of the same. But: According to our best information there exist some 13000 relevant scriptures or fragments (some 300 from the Gospels) older than 610 AD (when Muhammad started his religion).Plus there shall exist some 32ooo old references to the Bible. They all show that that neither OT nor NT is falsified (= the Bible of the time of Muhammad and before is the same as the one of today and the same as the really old scriptures) – nor is anything forgotten (omitted). But Islam HAS to insist on this. For one thing this was the excuse Muhammad used when explaining away the differences between the Bible and the Quran – and Muhammad and the Quran has to be speaking only the truth, because if not the very foundation under the religion collapses. And for another thing – if the Quran is wrong and the Bible correct, Islam is a made up religion. But one fact remains: Islam has not found any proof for their claim, even though they have searched for it for 1400 years. They have trumped up a number of arguments, but like so often Islam only have cheap words behind their claims – if they had found one single real proof for their claim among the 13000 scriptures or other places, you can bet large money on that the world had been informed quickly and thoroughly about it. When then science tells that the Bible is unabridged except for better translations and the small varieties normal for handwritten manuscripts spread over hundreds of years and thousands of kilometres - and there were many thousands of scriptures spread all over - and each and every single one had to be falsified in just the same ways and in all connections in all kinds of manuscripts (facts Muslims never mention or explain) – well, when all this is added up, it is up to you to decide which – if any – of the two books is most reliable. (Also see 3/24).

007 6/20: “Those to whom We (Allah*) have given the Book (Jews, Christians*) know this (that the Quran was revealed to Muhammad, etc*) as they know their own sons”. Very wrong – they had lots of reasons to suspect that something was wrong – very wrong – with both Muhammad and with his religion. F. ex. too many points that differed from the Bible/Torah and too many other mistakes.

008 6/91: “- - - ye (Jews*) conceal much (of its (the Torah’s = first part of the OT*) contents - - -“. Science has ever so clearly shown that this Islamic claim is wrong - many really old documents have shown that the texts of today are like the really old ones. Islam will have to bring real proofs for the repeated claims in the Quran and elsewhere – till now they only have produces unfunded claims and loose words, and we are back to the old fact: If Islam had found a single hard fact showing that the Bible in any way was falsified, the world had been told quickly and in large letters. This because Islam does not have one single real proof for the existence of Allah, for Gabriel as a messenger, for Muhammad’s connection to a god or anything at all – everything rests only – only – on what Muhammad told, and the historical Muhammad (in contradiction to the Islamic glossy picture) was a man that would not have been accepted in any serious court as a reliable witness. A proof for falsification of the Bible would be an indication for that the Quran was correct at least on this one point, and thus very welcome to Islam. But in 1400 hundred years no real proof has been found – only claims and words – in spite of large quantities of old known manuscripts and fragments. Therefore a real proof for a falsified Bible had been big news in all Muslim media and for all Muslims debating religion forever after. But there is nothing.

No such proof has ever been produced by Islam.

Also see 3/24, 5/13, 5/14, 5/15. Similar claims in 2/42 – 5/14 – 5/15. And the chapter about differences between the Bible and the Quran, which will be added in 2010 AD.

NB: If you find any mistakes anywhere, please inform us. If it is a real mistake, it will be corrected.

NB, NB, NB:

1. Read first the 2 small chapters "Some Essentials for how the Quran is to be read and understood" (VII-10-1) and "The Quran is to be understood literally if nothing else is indicated" (VII-10-2).

2. http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked by many Muslim authorities. To debate with persons in such areas, cut and paste what you want from the pages and send it under titles different from http://www.1000mistakes.com.

3. http://www.1000mistakes.com is one of 9 pages which Muslim organisetions warned especially against in 2008 and 2009 - it could make especially procelytes lose their belief in Islam; correct and "down-to-the-earth" information works. In this connection it is worth noting that in the "warning" http://www.1000mistakes.com was one of 3 which neither was accused of bringing wrong facts, nor of being a hate page.

4. Comment 141 (to verse 6/149) in “The Message of the Quran” (see point 5) explains (translated from Swedish) about Allah's claimed omniscience vs. man's claimed free will:

“With other words: The real connection between Allah’s knowledge about the future (and consequently about the unavoidable in what is to happen in the future*) on one side and man’s relatively (!!*) free will on the other – two statements that seems to contradict each other – lies outside what is possible for humans to understand, but as both statement are made from Allah (in the Quran*) both must be true”. Unbelievable. Blind belief is the only correct and intelligent way of life, even in the face of the utterly impossible!!

5. And an afterthought: In the book “The Message of the Quran”, certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy in Cairo (one of the 2-3 top universities in the Muslim world on such subjects) in a letter dated 27. Dec. 1998, it is admitted rather reluctantly that there are no proofs for Allah, and that it is not possible to prove him. An additonal point here is that if there is no proof for Allah and impossible to prove him, automatically there also is no proof for, and impossible to prove Muhammad's claimed connection to a god. And if there is no Allah and/or no connection between Muhammad and a god, what then is Islam?

6. Further: All the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in that book prove 100% that the Quran is not made by an omniscient god - no god makes such and so many mistakes, etc. If then Islam is a made up religion, what then about all the Muslims who have been prohibitted from looking for a real religion (if such one exists)? And where will they in case wake up after living and practising such an inhuman war religion like Islam is according to the Quran (and to Hadiths), if there is a second life somewhere? - Hell or Paradise?

7. NB and PS: No matter how sure you are about something, if it is not proved, it is not knowledge, only belief or strong belief, and can be wrong. Only what is proved or possible to prove is knowledge.

(As http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked in many Muslim areas - which shows they are afraid of it and lack arguments (if they had real arguments for http://www.1000mistakes.com is wrong, blocking was unneccessary) - "cut and paste" whatever you want from it and send if you want to inform or to debate there. Remember to omit the name http://www.1000mistakes.com).

PS: If we are blocked centrally - f. ex. by spam (there is too much at times already from unfriendly sources) we will reopen with new address somewhere else, and announce the new address om f. ex. http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam. Also if your comments to us do not reach us, any comments posted on the thread "What is it with http://www.1000mistakes.com ?" (or make a page containing "1000 mistakes" in the title yourself if you want) on that forum will be read by us - it is a big international debate page.