PART I, CHAPTER 10 (= I-10-0-0)

SHORT ABOUT HADITHS - THE OTHER SOURCE OF RELIGIOUS INFORMATION FOR MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS,AND ISLAM

(PART I, CHAPTERS 1 - 14 = SOME SPECIAL ASPECTS OF ISLAM AS TOLD IN THE QURAN - THE HOLY BOOK OF MUHAMMAD, MUSLIMS, ISLAM, AND ALLAH.)

Comments in this book numbered by 3 numbers (included 00 or 0) a few places followed by one small letter = clear cases. Comments numbered by 00 or 0 followed by 1, 2 or 3 letters (big or small) = likely cases.

In Islam you will meet the word Hadith (plural Ahadith in Arab) frequently. This is short stories or tales about things Muhammad and some of his closest co-workers (and especially in Shi’a Islam also some other early Muslims) said and did. What Islam reckons to be the most reliable collections, were collected 200-300 years after Muhammad, but as such tales then had been used and disused at a large scale for political and other purposes, already then there were literally hundreds of thousands of them, and most of them fakes (made up f. ex. by leaders wanting their followers to believe that this or that was according to Muhammad’s ways.) The best collectors did a huge and - we think – reasonably honest work to sort the good from the bad, and today there are some thousands Hadits said to be true. But even today they are sorted in four categories according to how likely it is that they really are true. There are mainly three criteria for evaluating how likely it is that a Hadith is true: Who told it to whom? How reliable were the persons telling and retelling the story? And did more persons tell the same story? The weak spot of course is that if someone faked a Hadith, it was as easy to fake who had told it, too. Some may be true, some perhaps – or surely - not, even in the best collections. The story with the three faked cartoons of Mohammad - faked by mullahs in Denmark to incite more anger - tells volumes both about how easy faking is, and about what morality even the clergy sometimes represent: The goal justifies - or sanctifies - the means, and al-Taqiyya (the lawful lie – an Islamic speciality) was and is convenient to use now and then. Enormous numbers of Hadiths were faked, and there is little doubt today that also a number of the accepted Hadiths in reality are fakes (the Quran f. ex. proves that all the Hadiths about miracles connected to Muhammad, are made up - if not they had been mentioned there, and - more essential - Muhammad had not had to explain away the fact that there never was a single miracle connected to him. Also Islam admits that "Muhammad made no miracle except the Quran") - and it is difficult to know which are which (though sometimes it is easy to see that this and this are fakes).

The two collections that are reconed by Islam to be the most reliable, are made one by Al-Bukhari and one by imam Muslim.

NB: If you find any mistakes anywhere, please inform us. If it is a real mistake, it will be corrected.

NB, NB, NB:

1. Read first the 2 small chapters "Some Essentials for how the Quran is to be read and understood" (VII-10-1) and "The Quran is to be understood literally if nothing else is indicated" (VII-10-2).

2. http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked by many Muslim authorities. To debate with persons in such areas, cut and paste what you want from the pages and send it under titles different from http://www.1000mistakes.com.

3. http://www.1000mistakes.com is one of 9 pages which Muslim organisetions warned especially against in 2008 and 2009 - it could make especially procelytes lose their belief in Islam; correct and "down-to-the-earth" information works. In this connection it is worth noting that in the "warning" http://www.1000mistakes.com was one of 3 which neither was accused of bringing wrong facts, nor of being a hate page.

4. Comment 141 (to verse 6/149) in “The Message of the Quran” (see point 5) explains (translated from Swedish) about Allah's claimed omniscience vs. man's claimed free will:

“With other words: The real connection between Allah’s knowledge about the future (and consequently about the unavoidable in what is to happen in the future*) on one side and man’s relatively (!!*) free will on the other – two statements that seems to contradict each other – lies outside what is possible for humans to understand, but as both statement are made from Allah (in the Quran*) both must be true”. Unbelievable. Blind belief is the only correct and intelligent way of life, even in the face of the utterly impossible!!

5. And an afterthought: In the book “The Message of the Quran”, certified by Al-Azhar Al-Sharif Islamic Research Academy in Cairo (one of the 2-3 top universities in the Muslim world on such subjects) in a letter dated 27. Dec. 1998, it is admitted rather reluctantly that there are no proofs for Allah, and that it is not possible to prove him. An additonal point here is that if there is no proof for Allah and impossible to prove him, automatically there also is no proof for, and impossible to prove Muhammad's claimed connection to a god. And if there is no Allah and/or no connection between Muhammad and a god, what then is Islam?

6. Further: All the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in that book prove 100% that the Quran is not made by an omniscient god - no god makes such and so many mistakes, etc. If then Islam is a made up religion, what then about all the Muslims who have been prohibitted from looking for a real religion (if such one exists)? And where will they in case wake up after living and practising such an inhuman war religion like Islam is according to the Quran (and to Hadiths), if there is a second life somewhere? - Hell or Paradise?

7. NB and PS: No matter how sure you are about something, if it is not proved, it is not knowledge, only belief or strong belief, and can be wrong. Only what is proved or possible to prove is knowledge.

(As http://www.1000mistakes.com is blocked in many Muslim areas - which shows they are afraid of it and lack arguments (if they had real arguments for http://www.1000mistakes.com is wrong, blocking was unneccessary) - "cut and paste" whatever you want from it and send if you want to inform or to debate there. Remember to omit the name http://www.1000mistakes.com).

PS: If we are blocked centrally - f. ex. by spam (there is too much at times already from unfriendly sources) we will reopen with new address somewhere else, and announce the new address om f. ex. http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam. Also if your comments to us do not reach us, any comments posted on the thread "What is it with http://www.1000mistakes.com ?" (or make a page containing "1000 mistakes" in the title yourself if you want) on that forum will be read by us - it is a big international debate page.