1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 87

 

SURAH 87: AL-A'LA (The Most High)

(Mecca, 611 - 615 AD)

 

001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 87/1b: "- - - thy (Muslims'*) Guardian-Lord (Allah*) - - -". He only can be a guardian if he exists and in addition is a god.

003 87/1c: "- - - (Allah*) Most High". Similar often claimed, never proved.

004 87/2a: "(Allah*) Who has created - - -". Has he? - often claimed, never proved. (But Yahweh has proved it if the books tell the truth). Also see 6/1e, 6/2b, 21/56c+e and 41/15f above.

005 87/2b: "(Allah*) Who has created - - -". (YA6081): "The story of Creation is wonderful and continuous". You often meet Muslims claiming the Quran speaks about continuous creation like modern science has found. But when the Quran speaks about creation (except recreation or claims for that he can destroy and make new creations) it is always in the past tense, never in present or future tense. Creation in the Quran is something which happened and is finished - and was fulfilled in 6 or 8 days.

006 87/2c: "- - - (Allah*) Who has - - - given order and proportion - - -". Only possible if Allah exists and is a powerful god.

007 87/3a: "(Allah*) who has ordained laws - - -". If he has ordained also the unjust ones of the sharia laws, and immoral of the laws of war, he neither is a just, nor a good, nor a benevolent god. (it may also be that here is meant the laws of nature, but Islam will in case have to prove they are made by Allah).

By the way: Have you noticed how many similarities there are between the laws and the moral code in the Quran, and the corresponding ones in f.x. the Mafia, the Triads, the Cosa Nostra, etc.?

008 87/3b: “- - - and granted guidance (the Quran*) - - -”. There is little reliable guidance in a book full of mistakes and hallmarks of cheating and deceiving. See 7/192a and 16/107b above.

009 87/4-5: "- - - (it is Allah*) Who bringeth out the (green and luscious) pasture, and then doth make it but swarthy stubble". See 11/7a above.

010 87/6a: "- - - shall We (Allah*) teach thee (Muhammad*) - - -". A time anomaly.

011 87/6b: "- - - (the Message (the Quran*)) - - -". But is it really a message? - and as no god was involved in a book of that quality: In case from whom?

012 87/6-7a: "- - - so that thou (Muhammad*) shalt not forget, except as Allah wills - - -". May be this is one of the points which makes Islam claim that Muhammad quoted the angel Gabriel exactly correct, so that the Quran is an exact copy of the "mother book" in Heaven.

013 87/6-7b: - - - so that thou (Muhammad*) shalt not forget, except as Allah wills - - -". Actually this is and has been a difficult sentence for Muslim scholars: This obviously is said to Muhammad, and how can Allah want Muhammad to forget parts of the Quran? There have been many explanations - included that the words are not to Muhammad, but to Muslims - but none are satisfying, even for most Muslim scholars. The famous perfect language in the Quran once more.

014 87/7a: "- - - He (Allah*) knoweth what is manifest and what is hidden". See 2/233 and 35/38b above./p>

015 87/7b: "- - - manifest - - -". See 2/2b above.

016 87/9: "- - - admonition - - -". Admonition on basis of a book full of errors and not from a god?!

017 87/10a: "- - - admonition - - -". Admonition on basis of a book full of errors and not from a god?!

018 87/11a: "But (admonition*) will be avoided by those most unfortunate ones (non-Muslims". That non-Muslims are the unfortunate ones is true only if the Quran is from a god, and in addition tells the full truth and only the truth. And if the non-Muslims in addition do not believe in an existing god.

019 87/14b: "- - - those will prosper who purify themselves - - -". = Muslims will go to Paradise.

020 87/17: "But the Hereafter is better and more enduring (than this life)". Yes, if there is a next life and if you end a good place. Will Muslims end in such a place with f.x. their partly immoral moral code - and believing in a book not from a god?

021 87/18-19: "And this is in the Books of the earliest revelations - the Books of Abraham and Moses." But according to the Quran there always have been revelations from Allah to man. Homo Sapiens - man - developed perhaps 200ooo years ago. And he started in earnest on the road to modern man 60-70ooo (64ooo?) years ago. Abraham lived - if he ever did - some 3800-4000 years ago and Moses some 3300-3400 years ago - if he ever lived. How can their claimed books (see 87/19a-c below) be the earliest ones - tens and may be hundreds of thousands of years after the first humans, and thus the first prophets according to the Quran? Not to mention; how can Moses have had one of the oldest ones, when there according to the Quran were earlier prophets even in Arabia? (Moses talked about them according to the Quran (he lived(?) around 1300-1200 BC)- not according to the Bible - so they had to be earlier). The same story tells the claim that the last of the 3 special Arab claimed prophets of the old, Shu'ayb, is claimed to be 4. generation after Lot, which in case indicates that Shu'ayb lived around 1700 BC or may be a little earlier (and the 2 others, Hud and Salih, then naturally even earlier).

#022 87/19a: “The Books of Abraham - - - ”. Abraham had no books according to science – and definitely not in plural. Besides a nomad of 3800-4000 years ago hardly knew how to read. (There exists, though, “The Testament of Abraham” – a very much made up (apocryphal) scripture named after Abraham only.) As Abraham hardly had any books, the Quranic stuff cannot have been in them - unless Islam for once produces a proof.

#023 87/19aa: “The Books of Moses - - - ”. Here is referred either to the 5 "Books of Moses" in the Bible - but they were written centuries after Moses - or likely to the claimed copy of "the Mother of the Book" in Heaven, Muhammad claimed - like normal for him without any proofs - that all prophets and messengers received (= twins to the Quran). There never was found the tiniest trace of such a Quran-like book anywhere in the world older than 610 AD when Muhammad started his mission.

#024 87/19b: (YA6094): "There is a book in Greek, which has been translated by Mr. G.H. Box, called the "Testament of Abraham" (published by the Society for the Promotion of Christian knowledge, London, 1927). It seems to be a Greek translation of a Hebrew original. The Greek text was probably written in the second Christian century, in Egypt (then mainly a Christian country*), but in its present form it probably goes back only to the 9th or 10t century. It was popular among the Christians. Perhaps the Jewish Midrash also refers to a Testament of Abraham".

What do you think about this book and about Abraham and books when you read this?

####And what do you think about Muslim way of "informing" people, when we add that this is an apocryphal - made up - book, a fact which is well known, so well that there is no chance a learned man like Muhammad Yusuf Ali did not know about it - - - without mentioning this fact even with a whisper in his comment. He also never mentions the fact that even though Abraham lived (if he ever lived) some 2ooo - 1800 BC, and thus "his" book had to be that old and a very central book as it was from Abraham, is never referred to in any of the old confirmed Jewish scriptures. #####This kind of dishonesty you meet a little too often in Islamic religious literature.

An informative sample of al-Taqiyya - the Lawful Lie (something you only find in Islam among the big religions - actually the only place we have heard there once was similar rules for dishonesty, was in a small tribal pagan religion on New Guinea once upon a time) - something a Muslim can use in 8-10 wide cases (f.x. to cheat women or to save his money), and which not only are permitted, but should be used "if necessary" to defend or promote Islam". No further comments should be necessary.

025 87/19c: "The Books of Moses - - -". If Moses ever lived and had a life like told in the books, it is quite possible he knew how to read. But outside the never documented claims in the Quran, there is not one single reference anywhere to that he had any book, until he himself wrote down the laws dictated by Yahweh (sometimes called the Book of Covenant") - later parts of the so-called "Books of Moses", which it is likely Muhammad referred to. But the "Books of Moses" in reality was not written until long time later, according to science - and they are just the same today like then according to science, and anyone who wants, may read them and see for himself that you do not find much like in the Quran there.

#026 87/19d: "The books of Moses - - -". (YA6095): "The original Revelation of Moses, of which the Present Pentateuch (the 5 books of Moses*) is a surviving recension - - -". This deserves no comment, except that it is written by the same man who wrote the comment in 87/19b above. For your information: He is reckoned to be a top scholar and writer in Islam. When he writes things like this, how serious are then the lesser Muslim scholars?

###We may add that even the oldest copies and fragment of what often is called "the Books of Moses" or "the Pentateuch" are more or less identical to the present ones (identical, but there may be minimal differences a few places because they are copied by hand, and then such things can happen). And as essential: There never was found even one fragment from those books with contents close to that in the Quran - Muhammad claimed the Bible originally was similar to the Quran, but falsified by the bad Jews and Christians. (It was his only way to explain away the differences between what he told the Bible said - he took his material from verbal legends, fairy tales etc. - and what the Bible really said.) This never proved - very normal for Muhammad and for Islam - claim from Muhammad and from the Quran simply is wrong, unless Islam proves - proves - the opposite.

Facts according to science: Moses according to the Bible had one book - the so-called "Book of Covenant" - in practice the law. The Pentateuch - what we call "the Books of Moses" were written centuries later and not earlier than around 800 BC (Moses lived around 1300-1200 BC). "The Book of Covenant" is mentioned a few times through the centuries in the Bible, but there never even is hinted that Moses had other books. There even is specified that when Solomon had the Ark of Covenant installed in his new temple, there were no books in it, only the 2 stone tablets (1. Kings 8/9). It is told that Book of the Law was refound (2. Kings 22/8) but no other relevant book is ever mentioned in the Bible - and no other place ever - - - except by Muhammad. And Muhammad like normal never was able to prove anything essential about his claims.

9154 + 26 = 9180 remarks.

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Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".


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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".