1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 85


SURAH 85: AL-BURUJ (The Constellations)

(Mecca, 611 - 615 AD)


001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 85/3: (YA6054): “By the one who witness - - -“. Nobody understands exactly who – Muhammad and the prophets (3/81), Allah (3/81 and 10/61), the recording angels (50/21), the sinners own misused limbs (24/24), the sinner’s record of deeds (17/14), or the sinner himself (17/14)? There is quite a choice in this exact language.

003 85/8b: "- - - Allah, Exalted in Power - - -". Often claimed, never proved. Never.

004 85/8c: "- - - Allah - - - Worthy of all Praise!" Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, and the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds and introduced rules, we at least always believe in the demands and deeds and the introduced codes - words are too cheap to use and disuse.

005 85/9a: "Him to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens (plural and wrong) and the earth!" Often claimed, never proved.

006 85/9d: "And Allah is Witness to all things". Why then does he need witnesses? And why does he need to test even his followers ( - - - or is it Muhammad who needed an "explanation" for wanting warriors)?

007 85/10b: "- - - the Penalty of Hell - - -". See 3/77b above.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

008 85/10c: "- - - the Penalty of the Burning Fire". The same as "the Penalty of Hell" in 84/10b just above. But as there are several parts of Hell, one worse than the other, perhaps one of the worse parts.

009 85/11c: "- - - righteous deeds - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

010 85/11d: "- - - Gardens; beneath which Rivers flow - - -". The Quran's and Islam's Paradise - see 10/9f above. This also is the most frequently used Arabism in the Quran.

And not to forget: One more proof for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god, as their paradises are too different.

011 85/11e: "- - - that (Paradise*) is the great Salvation - - -". If the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth about this.

012 85/12a: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See f.x. 81/19a above.

013 85/12b: "Truly strong is the Grip (and Power) of thy (humans'/Muslims#*) Lord (Allah*)". Never proved power in case.

014 85/13a: "It is He (Allah*) Who creates from the very beginning - - -". For one thing; never proved, for another, he describes creation completely wrong in the Quran (if he had been the creator, he had known better), for a third he tells in the Quran he has created Adam in many different ways - not even remembering from time to time how he created him. It sounds like he simply does not know what he is talking about, and in addition mixes up his own tales. No god had been so helpless - then who made the Quran?

015 85/13b: "- - - and He (Allah*) can restore (life)". Once more this interesting claim - interesting because Allah never one single time has proved he has this power, whereas if the Quran or the Bible tells the truth on this point, Yahweh has done so. And we remind you that the never proved Islamic claim that Allah = Yahweh is not true (the teachings fundamentally too different), and that science - and even more so Islam - has proved that the Bible is not falsified.

016 85/14a: "And He (Allah*) is Oft-Forgiving - - -". Allah can forgive nobody unless he exists and is a god.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

017 85/14b: "And He (Allah*) is - - - Full of Loving-Kindness". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, and the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands, deeds and introduced rules, we at least always believe in the demands and deeds and rules - words are too cheap to use and disuse.

018 85/15a: "(Allah is) Lord of the Throne of Glory - - -". Similar often claimed, but never proved.

019 85/15b: "(Allah is) Lord of the Throne of Glory - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which tells Yahweh is the lord, not Allah. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

020 85/16: "Doer (without let) all that He (Allah*) intends". Allah does everything he intends to do - and as he decides everything according to other verses in the Quran: How can he then punish humans for sinning? - when they just do what he has planned and forced them to do? (Free will for man if Allah decides everything is not even an illusion, but a contradiction. The two are mutually excluding each others, and thus maximum one of the two claims can be true, according to the laws of logic. This in spite of the Quran's claims.)

021 85/18: "- - - Pharaoh and the Thamud - - -". The pharaoh here referred to is Ramses II in the story of Moses (though Muslims often try to claim it must be an older and less known one, because we know that Ramses II did not drown, and the Quran thus is wrong there, but science has no doubt), whereas the Thamud is a tribe from old Arab folklore - it may or may not have existed, and Islam will have to bring proofs for that their demise was like the Quran claims.

022 85/19c: "- - - the Unbelievers (persist) in rejecting (the stories Muhammad told*) - - -". How could this reliably be written in the claimed "Mother Book" (of which the Quran is a copy according to Muhammad) billions of years before it was said or happened? One more of the many texts or quotes in the Quran which could not have been reliably written into the claimed "Mother Book" (13/39b, 43/4b+c, 85/21-22) in Heaven (of which the Quran is claimed to be a copy) eons ago, unless predestination was and is 100%, like the Quran claims many places (if you look, you will find more cases than we mention - we only mention some of the obvious ones). If man has free will - even partly only (an expression some Muslims use to flee from the problem full predestination contra free will for man (and also contra that there is no meaning in praying to Allah for help, if everything already is predestined in accordance with a plan "nobody and nothing can change" - a problem which Muslims seldom mention), and an expression no Muslim we have met has ever defined) - and can change his mind, full and reliable clairvoyance about the future, not to mention the distant future, is impossible even for a god, as the man always could/can change his mind or his words once more, in spite of Islam's claims. There are at least 3 reasons - 2 of them unavoidable - for this:

When something is changed, automatically the future is changed.

The laws of chaos will be at work and change things, if even a tiny part is made different.

The so-called "Butterfly Effect"; "a butterfly flapping its wing in Brazil may cause a storm in China later on" or "a small bump may overturn a big load".

This that Allah predestines everything like the Quran claims and states many places, is an essential point, because besides totally removing the free will of man (in spite of the Quran's claims of such free will, or some Muslims' adjusted "partly free will for man" - to adjust the meanings where the texts in the Quran are wrong, is typical for Islam and its Muslims) - it also removes the moral alibi behind Allah's punishing (and rewarding) persons for what they say and do - Allah cannot reward or punish people for things he himself has forced them to say or do, and still expect to be believed when he (Muhammad?) claims to be a good or benevolent or moral or just god. Also see 2/51b and 3/24a above.

And as mentioned above, full predestination also makes prayers to Allah meaningless, as everything already is predestined according to Allah's Plan - a Plan which no prayer ("nobody and nothing" = included prayers) can change.

Also see 3/154e, 6/149a, 7/34a, 14/22b, and not least 27/22-26 above.

023 85/19d: "- - - the Unbelievers (persist) in rejecting (the Truth) - - -". Quite a number of them saw things were very wrong in the new religion, and that was at least a good part of the reason.

024 85/19e: “- - - rejecting (the Truth) (the Quran*)!” That the Quran is the truth, is just a claim, not a proved fact. See 40/75 and 41/12.

#025 85/21:## “- - - a Glorious Quran - - -”. A book with that many mistakes, contradictions, and other hallmarks of cheating and deceiving, is not very glorious. Also see 13/1g and 40/75 above. PS: If Muhammad's Quran is a glorious one, we hope to be spared from meeting a normal one - the quality is deplorable, to tell the plain truth. (This in spite of Islam's big claims.)

##026 85/22a:## "- - - this is a Glorious Quran, (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved!". The Quran claims the book is a copy of a "mother book" - a Tablet Preserved - which is made by Allah or perhaps has existed since eternity, and which is inscribed in tablets in Allah's Heaven - and revered by Allah and by his angels. Other references to it in 13/39, 43/4, and 85/21-22 (beware that some Muslims say that only some parts of the Quran - the parts "of established meaning" are from the claimed #####"mother book", but that is not what the Quran says - besides, according to the Quran nearly everything is of established meaning, and just a little is parables, etc.).

Also see 85/22b just below.

027 85/22b:## "- - - a Tablet Preserved - - -". Likely the claimed "Mother of the Book" (= mother of the Quran) in Allah's personal heaven. This in case says that the Quran is an exact copy of the claimed (but like always in the Quran, never proved) "Mother of the Book" But some Muslims refer to the Quran itself "as Allah has promised it shall not be changed in any way". They then omit the fact that there existed many versions of the Quran - at one time at least 14 canonized versions (see "1000+ Mistakes in the Quran" - http://www.100mistakes.com ), and there still are two of them in widespread plus 4 in some use. They also are the problems with the language in the old Arab texts, which permits many different ways of understanding the texts. And they omit f.x. the old Qurans found in Yemen in 1972 which "had small, but significant differences from the present Qurans".

9117 + 27 = 9144 remarks.


Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".

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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".