1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 81


SURAH 81: AT-TAKWIR (The Folding Up)

(Mecca, 611 - 615 AD)


001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 81/2a: “When (at the Last Day*) the stars (here it is talk about the real stars, not shooting stars*) fall (on Earth*), losing their luster - - -”. The stars cannot fall on earth - never according to science and according to reality. Theoretically Earth can fall into the sun – and may do so in 5 billion years time – but not "vice versa" (it will be the Earth which really moves, not the sun).

003 81/7: "When the souls are sorted out - - -". Beware that the souls will be sorted in 3 groups according to the Quran - the especially good Muslims "nearest to Allah", going for the best parts of Heaven, the ordinary good Muslims going for the lower classes of Heaven, and the rest, going for Hell. One of the clear differences to the Bible showing Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, their Paradises had been one and the same.

004 81/12: "- - - the Blazing Fire - - -". Hell.

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

005 81/15-16: "- - - the planets - that recede, go straight, or hide". It is physically impossible for planets to recede (for humans a few of them may seem to have retrograde movement at times, but that is an illusion, and that is not really to recede) - they are captives of the sun's gravitation. For the same reason is it impossible for them to go straight. And there is nowhere in open space to hide (they may have occultations, but those are short-lived and no real hiding). And just to mention it: According to the laws of physics, they will never recede.

006 81/19a: "Verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. In a book with so many mistaken facts and other mistakes, contradictions, cases of invalid logic, etc. some words cannot be taken at face value unless they are proved.

007 81/19b: “Verily (this definitely is no proved verity/truth*), this is the word of a most honorable Messenger (Muhammad*) - - -.” If a man who is a thief/robber, extorter, womanizer, child molester (Aishah through many years from she was 9 years old), rapist, deceiver, betrayer, torturer, murderer, mass murderer, war monger, and more, is a “most honorable Messenger” - - - well, in that case we will not like to meet a normal messenger, not to mention an in-honorable one. It may seem that Islam have a somewhat special standard for ethics and moral. Contradicted by reality and normal moral and ethics for non-war religions, societies and cultures, and normal points of view concerning human and inhuman behavior (but we stress that far – very far – from all Muslims live according to the Quran on these points.)

Honored by many, but hardly honorable.

008 81/19c: “Verily, this is the word of a most honorable Messenger - - -". As the text - like so often in the Quran - is not quite specific, this Messenger also might mean Gabriel (or perhaps someone or something dressed up like Gabriel? - Muhammad would not have a chance to see the difference, and parts of the Quran and also of its moral code are pretty devilish*) or someone else, but the Quran is not the words of the Gabriel from the Bible.

009 81/20a: "- - - with rank before the Lord of the Throne". = With a rank over the others at the Day of Doom. One of the many, many claims Muhammad was unable to prove - but for the ones who believed him, this gave him status and authority. True or not - what often counts more than the truth, is what people believe. (But it is possible here is not meant Muhammad, but Gabriel or someone - see 81/19c above.)

010 81/20b: "- - - the Lord of the Throne - - -". Here is indicated Allah, but this is contradicted by the Bible, which says the lord of the Throne of all the creation is Yahweh, not Allah. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

011 81/22: "And (O people!) your (here Arabs'*) Companion (Muhammad*) is not one possessed - - -". A most open question, as modern medical science suspects he had TLE (Temporal Lobe Epilepsy) - his symptoms are uncannily like those of that illness, included religious illusions. And in the old times persons with mental illnesses were reckoned to be possessed by one or more bad spirit(s).

012 81/23a: "- - - without doubt - - -". See f.x. 2/2b and 81/19a above.

013 81/23b: "- - - without doubt he (Muhammad*) saw him (Gabriel?*) on the horizon". This likely refers to Muhammad's claim that he ones saw the angel Gabriel with his 600 wings on the horizon. 600 wings may sound impressive for uneducated people only knowing how fast birds can go with just 2 wings. But 600 wings would create so much turbulence that Gabriel in case would fall like a sack of meat - there is a good reason why both birds and planes only have 2 wings. Any god would know this, but Muhammad not. Then who made the Quran?

Another small point here is that you will not find one single place in the Bible where angels are described with wings. Seraphs yes. Cherubs yes. Ordinary angels no - and Gabriel was an angel both according to the Bible and to the Quran. (The wings of the angels were created by artists in the 3. and 4. century AD, simply because it was the only means those artists knew for flying - it is not from the Bible). If angels are spiritual beings or souls, they may not need wings for flying. One more difference between the Quran and the Bible?

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from an angel, and even a central one, this had been such a strong agument, that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

######014 81/24: "Neither doth he (Muhammad*) withhold grudgingly a knowledge of the Unseen ("the Unseen" in the Quran normally means the future or what is hidden from humans by the super naturals or nature*)". In plain words Muhammad was unable to tell the future or other hidden things = he was unable to make foretelling/prophesies.

Once more we are back to the fact that Muhammad was unable to see what was hidden and also unable to see the future, which means he was no real prophet - a person unable to make prophesies, is no prophet (the original title for "prophet" even was "a seer" - one who was able to see the unseen). But "prophet" is an imposing title, so Muhammad "borrowed" it, like so many have done trough the times. This even though he here indirectly, but very clearly admits he does not deserve or merit that title.

015 81/25: "Nor is it (the Quran*) the word of an evil spirit accursed". This may be wrong, as it is one of the real possibilities for who made the Quran (it is one of the theories for who is the real maker of the book) - the partly immoral moral code of the Quran, the partly unjust and/or immoral sharia laws, and its rules for blood, murder and war, may indicate a devil or bad spirits as the real maker(s). But even a devil would hardly deliver a book with that many errors, etc. - he had to know he would be found out sooner or later and loose credence. Which leave human(a) as the likely creator(s), as it was no god - not with all those mistakes, etc? Though it is possible it was made by dark forces, if all the mistakes, etc. were a condition for permission from a god to try to lure more to Hell - the mistakes, etc. in case had to be included so as to make it easy for people to see something was wrong and avoid the trap.)

016 81/27a: "Verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See f.x. 81/19a above.

017 81/27b: "- - - a Message - - -". Is the Quran really a message? - and in case from whom, as no god is behind a book of that quality?

018 81/27c: "- - - a Message (the Quran*) for (all) the Worlds - - -". Why then is it written so that you had to be an Arab to understand all points in it? + why are all tales in the Quran taken only from Arabia and its close neighborhood in geography and time? - and originally in an incomplete alphabet and a language belonging to primitive tribes?

019 81/27d: “- - - the Worlds - - -.” Well, the 7 (flat) worlds of Muhammad simply never are found by science. See 65/12b above.

020 81/28a: "(The Quran is*) (With profit) to whoever among you wills to go straight". Wrong to say the least of it: A book with such a crooked content cannot make anyone go straight.

021 81/29b: "- - - (Allah*) the Cherisher of the Worlds". See 1/1a and see how much he cherishes the world and its inhabitants. Besides this is contradicted by the Bible, which says that the cherisher of the world is Yahweh, not Allah. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

9023 + 21 = 9044 remarks.


Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".

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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".