1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 78

 

SURAH 78: AN-NABA (The Great News)

(Mecca, 620 - 622 AD)

 

001  "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.

002 78/4a: "Verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See f.x. 2/2b and 61/4a above.

003 78/5a: "Verily, verily - - -". See f.x. 2/2b and 61/4a above - a doubtful claim does not become less doubtful even if one repeats a suspect word. It definitely is no proved verity/truth.

004 78/6a: “Have We (Allah*) not made the earth a wide expanse - - -?” We know from other places in the Quran that this expanse is flat, and may be round like a disk, but flat. Wrong: The real Earth is a sphere.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

005 78/6b: “Have We (Allah*) not made the earth as a wide expanse.” The Quran has been saying the same before - Allah made the (flat) Earth. But here it is used as a proof - - - without ever having been proved - without ever having been more than statements built on loose words. A claim just taken from nature and used many times in the Quran. The Quran tried to give Allah the credit, but only words - words any priest or “prophet” for any god could/can use just as cheaply and just as empty of value as a proof for their god or gods. To mention it ones more: Cheats, swindlers and deceivers often use tactics like this. Also see 11/7a above.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

006 78/7: “(Allah made*) the mountains as pegs - - -“. Some Muslims say: Hip, hurray – here is a proof for Muhammad and the Quran: The science talks about the “roots” of the mountains – the mountains are like pegs! How could Muhammad know?!" But mountain “roots” are not like pegs, but like bulges or distorted sheets (as mountains and mountain chains often are long and narrow – look at the Rocky Mountains – Andes chain f.x.) or as distorted hemisphere. There exist deep pegs – or really sheets – pointing far down into the mantel (melted stone), but not in connection to mountains or mountain ranges really, though they may co-exist: They exist some places where large pieces of the Earth’s crust – tectonic plates – are forced downwards because of movements of the crust (tectonic movement). But that has nothing to do with mountains (even though mountains may be secondary results of the movement) – it is something entirely different. Contradicted by geological facts.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - and a proof. Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

007 78/8: “And (have We (Allah*)) not created you - - - ?” An unproved statement used as "fact" and (invalid) proof - it is never proved that Allah created man. See 6/2b, 11/7a, and 78/6b above.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

008 78/9: “(And has not Allah*) made your sleep for rest - - -”. Unproved statement used as "fact" and (invalid) proof. Did Allah really invent sleep? See 11/7a and 78/6b above.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

009 78/10: “(And has not Allah*) made the night as a covering - - -”. Did Allah invent the night? - unproved statement used as "fact" and proof. See 11/7a and 78/6b above. And is lack of light - nothing - a covering?

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

010 78/11: “(And has not Allah*) made the day as a means of subsistence?” Did Allah really invent the day - or is it a by-product of the sun’s shining and the Earth‘s revolving? And was it really meant for subsistence, or was that, too, a by-product of the shining of the sun? Two statements used as "facts" and proofs - both just unproved statements and both suspect. And both invalid as proof as long as it is not proved that Allah made it. Also see 11/7a and 78/6 above.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

##011 78/12a: “And (have We (Allah*) not) built over you - - - firmaments - - -?” For something to be built, materials have to be used – the heavens also according to other pieces of information must be made from something material. Wrong: The sky as we see it, just is an optical illusion – or actually 2 (bending of sunlight makes the blue "sky" at day, our inability to see in 3 dimensions at those distances, makes the night sky look like being in 2 dimensions at night). That the Quran believes the firmaments are material, also is proved by the fact that it tells the stars are fastened to the lowest heaven (37/6-7, 41/12) - they could not be fastened unless there was something material to fasten them to.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

##012 78/12b: “And (have We (Allah*) not) built over you the seven firmaments - - -?” Wrong: See 67/3 a, 67/3b, 67/5a and 67/5b above. Simply and doubly wrong.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

013 78/12-13: “And have We (Allah*) not built over you the seven firmaments, and placed (therein) a light of Splendor (= the sun*)?” The sun is not placed among (“therein”) the 7 firmaments.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique. (Here it becomes a parody, because there exist no 7 (material as the stars are fastened to one of them)

014 78/13: “And (has not Allah*) placed (therein) a Light (the sun*) of Splendor - - -”. One more loose and suspect statement (did Allah create the sun?) without proofs, used as a proof. Entirely without value - and a kind of proof no god would use. Also see 11/7a and 78/6 above.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

015 78/14: “And do We (Allah*) not send down from the clouds water in abundance - - -”. Invalid as a proof, as it is not proved that Allah has anything to do with the rain at all. See also 11/7a and 78/6 above.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

016 78/15: “(And*) That We (Allah*) may produce therewith (rain) corn and vegetables - - -”. Also this proof is invalid because it is based on loose presumptions, not proved facts - it is nowhere proved that Allah has anything to do with the growing of anything. Also see 11/7a and 78/6 above.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

017 78/16: “And (do not Allah produce) gardens of luxurious growth?” See 11/7a, 78/6 and 78/15 above.

A never proved claim pretended to be a proved fact - Muslims and Islam often use this technique.

018 78/17a: "Verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See 2/2b above.

019 78/17c: "- - - the Day of Sorting Out is a thing appointed - - -". Once more the predestination - Allah predestines everything included the Day of Doom according to his unchangeable Plan.

020 78/18b: "- - - ye (people*) shall come forth (for doom*) in crowds - - -". This is one of the many never proved claims in the Quran, which cannot be true unless Allah exists, a claim which is proved nowhere. (But it is one of the many places where Allah - if he exists - may act even if he is from the dark forces, if only he has enough power).

021 78/21: "Truly - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See f.x. 61/4a above.

022 78/22a: "For the transgressors a place of destination - - -". If the Quran tells the full truth and only the truth - which it too often does not do.

023 78/22c: "- - - transgressors - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses this and related words, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code, partly unethical ethical code, partly unjust judicial code, etc., and when it is used in religious connection, it means anyone resisting or disagreeing with the Quran and Islam.

024 78/23: (A12): “They (sinners*) will dwell therein (Hell*) for ages.” This is a not too well known, ####but deep enigma in Islam: The Quran is unclear about if you are to stay in Hell forever, or only for a limited time – a kind of long time Purgatory simply. Many places the book says clearly and unmistakably that it is forever. Other places it uses words that indicate a limited time – perhaps a long time, but a limited time, or that Allah can do something at least for Muslims in Hell (see f.x. 6/128c, 11/107b, and 43/74d). Also see 51/13a above. In this case the Arab word that is used, “huqb” or “hiqbah” (remember that some of the letters have to be guessed) have vague meanings as for how long time, but definitely not “forever”. Also some Hadiths clearly indicate that Hell may be is not forever. (And 11/108a may indicate that also Paradise is not quite forever). Clear?

###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.

025 78/24b: "Nothing cool shall they taste therein - - -". Contradicted by at least one verse in the Quran telling about icy - too cold - drinks in Hell (78/25).

026 78/25: "(Nothing cold to drink*) Save - - - a fluid, dark, murky, intensely cold - - -". At least there is something cold in Hell (not mentioned in the Bible). From where is this piece of information?

027 78/26: "(Hell is*) A fitting recompense (for them) (sinners*)". Wrong. There is no reasonable correspondence between the sins of a normal sinner, and the horrible and sadistic punishment in Hell.

AND NOT LEAST: IS IT FITTING AND FAIR IF IT IS ALLAH WHO BY HIS PREDESTINATION HAS MADE YOU DO IT?

028 78/28: “- - - our (Allah's*) Signs - - -.” Invalid as proof for Allah. See 2/39b above.

029 78/29: "And all things have We (Allah*) preserved on record". Why does a claimed omniscient and predestining god need a record?

030 78/30a: "So taste ye (non-Muslims*) (the fruits of your deeds) - - -". Is it in any way fair for a claimed good and benevolent god to punish for deeds he himself has predestined and thus forced the person to do? (We are aware of the Islamic claim that man has free - or partly free - will, but that is not possible even for an omniscient and omnipotent god to combine with full predestination unmistakably stated many places in the Quran - that claim simply is not true).

031 78/30b: "- - - no increase (in your good marks in Heaven*) shall We (Allah*) grant you (non-Muslims*), except in Punishment". Contradicting points in the Quran stating that good deeds shall get added "marks", whereas bad deeds shall count only for what they are.

032 78/30c: "- - - no increase (in your good marks in Heaven*) shall We (Allah*) grant you (non-Muslims*) - - -". Allah can grant nothing, unless he exists and is something supernatural.

033 78/31a: "Verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See f.x. 2/2b and 61/4a above.

034 78/31b: "Verily, for the Righteous there (in Paradise*) will be a fulfillment of (the Heart's) desires - - -". Is this really fulfillment of the heart's desires of Muslims?? - good food, good things to drink, good cloths, a nice climate, a nice and peaceful place to live, no work - and plenty of sex for the men? Is that all? Nothing to do and nothing to do for the mind, f.x.? Primitive dreams. A primitive and in the long time a very boring paradise. And now we talk about the men, for whom Islam and its paradise both are made to measure. We have not even mentioned the women and how life in Paradise must be for them. Or for the sex slaves and servants there.

035 78/31c: "- - - the Righteous - - -". Muslims.

####036 78/31d: "- - - Righteous - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. #####Take a close look at the code of moral in the Quran, compare it to normal moral codes and to "do to others like you want others do to you", and you will see that the word "Righteous" has abnormal meanings in the Quran and thus in Islam - like quite a number of other words

037 78/31e: "- - - fulfillment (in Paradise) of (the Heart's) desire". The Quran tells about lots of earthly luxury + for men plenty of sex (little for women). Personally I have fantasy enough to have a number of other desires in my heart/brain than sex, good food, non-alcoholic wine, silk cloths, etc. - desires not satisfied in Islam's paradise, at least not according to the description in the Quran.

038 78/32: "Gardens enclosed - - -". The Quran's and Islam's Paradise - see 10/9f above.

039 78/33: "Companions of Equal Age" - the famous houris. As mentioned, sex is not named in Paradise in the Quran, bur it all the same is a very essential part - - - for the men. In the entire Quran, in all the many Hadiths, in all Islamic literature, we have not seen one single word about how it feels for the houris to be sex toys for rough, uneducated, primitive warriors. And not one word about how it is for the wives to share their husbands with lots of likely much more beautiful women. Not one word.

Also you do not find the houris in the Bible and in Yahweh's paradise (the houris is an idea "borrowed" from the Persian religion). On the contrary: There you will be like the angels (Mark 12/25), and angels are not bent on sex. One more of the at least 200% proofs for that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god.

040 78/34: "And a Cup full (to the Brim)". Indicated: Of wine (though some Muslim scholars try to put something more spiritual into it) - alcohol and sex were "the two delightful things" in old Arabia. Add luxury and laziness, and you have Islam's Paradise.

041 78/36a: "(Paradise is*) Recompense from thy Lord (Allah*) - - -". Only if the Quran on this point tells the full truth and only the truth - neither the existence of Allah nor of his Paradise are proved - - - and the Quran is proved wrong on impossibly and unbelievably many points.

042 78/37a: "(Paradise is a gift from) the Lord (Allah*) - - -". Similar often claimed, never proved - - - and it is a normal claim for most religions, Islam included.

043 78/37b: "- - -(Allah is*) the Lord of the heavens (plural and wrong*) and the earth - - -". Contradicted by the Bible, which says Yahweh is the master of that, not Allah. Also see 67/9c above - a strong one. But of course it is ok for Islam to prove - prove - the Bible wrong and the Quran right. But as we say: Prove, not just loose claims and as loose and invalid words like the Quran always use instead of proofs.

044 78/37d: "(Allah) Most Gracious - - -". See 1/1a and see if you agree. That nice words are used, does not necessarily mean they are true - and especially so in a book as full of mistakes and as "colored" like the Quran.

045 78/38c: (YA5911): "Some(!*) Commentators understand by 'the Spirit' the angel Gabriel, as he is charged specially with bringing Messages to human prophets". An interesting piece of information, as this is neither from the Quran nor from the Bible, and arch angel Gabriel also hardly is mentioned as a messenger boy in connection with Biblical prophets. (But the claim of course makes Muhammad look like a prophet at this point as he claimed he god his messages via Gabriel.) Also see 78/38b just above.

As for Gabriel there is a strange fact in the Quran: He is never named in the surahs from Mecca. Not until after he came to Medina did Muhammad start claiming he got his information(?) and messages(?) from Gabriel. If Muhammad really had got - or even only believed he got - the claimed messages from an angel, and even a central one, this had been such a strong agument that there is no chance Muhammad had not told about this - and often - during the first difficult 13 years in Mecca. What is the explanation?

046 78/37e: "- - - none shall have the power to argue with Him (Allah*)". Power Allah in case never clearly have shown - not once in 1400 years.

047 78/38d: "(Allah) Most Gracious - - -". See 1/1a and see if you agree. That nice words are used, does not necessarily mean they are true - and especially so in a book as full of mistakes and as "colored" like the Quran.

048 78/38e: "- - - he (Allah*) will say what is right". If he exists and is a major god, this may be correct. If he does not exist, and not to mention if he exists, but is from the dark forces, like parts of the Quran and parts of its moral code may indicate, it is wrong.

049 78/38f: "- - - right". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.

050 78/39b: "That Day will be a sure Reality - - -". Wrong. With so much wrong in the Quran, it is no sure reality that there will come a day of doom like the one the Quran claims. A last day for humanity, yes. That kind of Day of Doom, not sure.

051 78/39d: "- - - Reality - - -". See f.x. 2/2b and 61/4a above.

052 78/39e: "- - - let him (Muslim*) take a (straight) Return to his Lord (Allah*)!" This is not possible unless Allah really exists. On the other hand if Allah exists, it is possible no matter whether he is a god or only something from the dark side posing as a god.

053 78/40a: "Verily - - -". It definitely is no proved verity/truth. See f.x. 61/4a above.

054 78/40b: "- - - We (Allah*) have warned you of a Penalty near - - -". See 3/77b above.

##055 78/40c: (YA5914): Is Judgment very near? Yes. There are three stages of Judgment. (1) Many of our sins and wrongdoings find their penalty in this life. It may not be an open and striking event, but it corrodes the soul and conscience all the time. Let us therefore turn back to Allah and ask for forgiveness. (2) Where the Penalty is not actually perceived in this life, Death is considered the Lesser Judgment for each individual soul. - - - Death may come to anyone at any time, and we must be ready for it. (3)Then there is the final Judgment, when the whole of the present order passes away - - -". An interesting fact here is that this is not a clear part of the Quran - the ###Lesser Penalty is nowhere clearly mentioned in the book.

###Also see (YA5822) under 75/22c above - a detail is interestingly different: Here death is the Lesser Judgment, there it is some pain after death which is that judgment.

As for forgiving from Allah: See 2/187d above.

056 78/40e: "- - - (the Deeds) which his (a person*) has sent forth - - -". The good and bad deeds you have done in this life, and from which you according to the Quran will be judged at the Day of Doom.

8919 + 56 = 8975 remarks.

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Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".


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