1000+ Claims in the Quran - Invalid Unless Proven, Surah 72
18 May 2014
SURAH 72: AL-JINN (The Jinns)
(Mecca, 611-615 AD)
001 "In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful". Please read the surahs from Medina, the immoral parts of the Muslim moral code, the unjust/immoral parts of sharia, and the Quran's rules for lying, thieving/looting, enslaving, raids and wars, plus the rules for treatment of girls and women - free and captives - and see if you agree. Always when there is a distance between words and corresponding demands and deeds, we personally believe in the demands and deeds. Glorious words are cheap, demands and deeds are reliable. Glorifying words and claims are too cheap for anyone to use and disuse - when you read, judge from realities, not from propaganda.
002 72/1b: "Jinn". A being originally from old Arab folklore, legends and old pagan Arab religion. According to the Quran, they were created by Allah from fire, and it seems that most of them end in Hell. It also seems, but is not 100% sure from the Quran, that Iblis - the Muslim Devil - originally was a Jinn. In western literature "jinn" often is translated with "spirit", but they seem to be material, though invisible, and also the Quran differentiates between Jinns and spirits, which means Jinns are not spirits. There exist old Islamic laws regulating marriages between humans and jinns, (but no such marriage has ever taken place), and such marriages could not be arranged unless (the Muslims thought) Jinns were material. Also fire = smoke so hot that it emits light, and smoke is material. Strangely you found Jinns only in and around Arabia - an Arabism in a claimed universal god's tales.
003 72/2a: "It (the Quran*) gives guidance - - -". A book with so much wrong contents, plus a partly immoral moral code and partly unjust and immoral laws gives little real guidance.
004 72/2b: "It (the Quran*) gives guidance to the Right - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like "right", it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
##005 72/3a: “- - - He (Allah*) has taken neither a wife - - -". This is one of Muhammad's "proofs" for that Jesus could not be the son of the god (Muhammad wrongly claimed that Yahweh = Allah). But the "proof" is without meaning or value, as the Quran more than once states that when Allah wants something, "he just says 'Be', and it is'". Allah or Yahweh just could say "Be a son" and Jesus was.
This that one argument or claim kills another, is pretty common among Muslims. They meet a difficult fact. A fact regularly consists of several aspects and/or is built on different underlying facts, and/or its conclusion(s) must fit other information not to be proved untrue. Famous samples are the impossible conflict between Allah's claimed total predestination and man's claimed free or partly free will, and f.x. Muslim's claim that the Quran describes a scientifically correct astronomy, versus what the Quran really tells about this. Or the hopeless tries to explain away the 7 heavens or the 7 earths. What they very often do, is to take one aspect of a case, "solve" that by a - sometimes logically correct - claim, argument, or fact - and voila! the case is solved! Even if you point to impossibilities and collisions with other points in the Quran, they often are reluctant to leave their wrong conclusions. They f.x. may have nice "proofs" for that the Quran foretold science by giving a scientifically correct picture of the universe - without then explaining how the stars then can be fastened to the lowest of 7 heavens (37/6-7, 41/12) below the moon (as the moon is claimed to be between the heavens, and thus above the lowest of them. Or how the Quran can be claimed to be explaining the universe with all its empty space and vacuum, when the Quran tells the 7 heavens are material (if not the stars could not be fastened to one like the Quran both claims and states.
#006 72/3b: “- - - He (Allah*) has taken neither a wife nor a son.” If Allah is not the same god as Yahweh, this may be true. But if the two are the same, like the Quran without any documentation claims: Well, Jesus called Yahweh “father” many times (the word is used for the relationship between Yahweh and Allah at least 204 times, and the word "son" at least 89 times in the Bible - often by Jesus himself, and Jesus was reliable also according to the Quran) in front of thousands of witnesses. And as for a wife: In the really old Hebrew religion the god had a female companion - his Amat (source: New Scientist and others). But in the very male culture she was forgotten. Also see 17/111b+c above.
007 72/4a: "There are some foolish ones among us (Jinns*), who used to utter extravagant lies against Allah". You had to be foolish not to believe in Muhammad it seems: A never proved argument with a double effect: "All non-Muslims are foolish", and that is the reason why they do not accept Muhammad - the explanation is not that they know or understand things we do not know or are unable to see or understand (which for many was the real reason). And: "We Muslims are the only wise ones", and who does not want to be counted among the wise ones - especially if you are not very wise?
008 72/4b: "- - - extravagant lies against Allah". But if the skeptics are right on one or more or many points, that means the claimed "extravagant lies" are extravagant truths. And as so much is wrong in the Quran, this seems to be the reality.
009 72/5: "But we (Jinns (for Muhammad)*) do think that no man or spirit should say aught that is untrue against Allah". No comments except: Remember how much is wrong in the Quran and that not a comma of the essential claims is proved.
Well, one more thing: As the Quran is from no god and full of mistakes, contradictions, etc.: Who is speaking untruth about Allah? - Muslims or non-Muslims?
010 72/6a: "True - - -". See 2/2b above.
011 72/6b: "True, there are persons among mankind who took shelter with persons among the Jinns - - -". If you are able to believe humans took shelter among beings borrowed from old pagan Arab religion, folklore and fairy tales, you are permitted to believe so. But there never was a proved case of such a happening. But it is a nice, if a bit incredible, case of one of Muhammad's techniques when debating: Claim or state that something is true without the slightest proofs, and then make claims from there, or claim it proves this and this. Totally without value as a real argument and not even related to normal logic - - - but so what, as long as naive followers believe it?! (But then Muslims often are not trained in logical deduction, and some of the training they get, even is wrong, as Islam cannot afford to teach logical laws which make the mistakes, contradictions, etc. in the Quran too easy to see. F.x. they teach that problems can have 2 or more correct solutions, even if the solutions are mutually excluding.)
#012 72/7b: "- - - that Allah would not raise up any one (to Judgment)". Allah cannot raise even a flee, unless he exists and is something supernatural.
#013 72/8a: “And we (jinns – a being “borrowed” from pagan Arab religion, legends and fairy tales*) pried into the secrets of heaven - - -". According to this and some other places in the Quran, Jinns and bad spirits lurked around under the (lowest?) heaven and tried to spy on what happened and what was said in the heavens. As the havens (and likely Jinns) do not exist - at least not like described in the Quran - comments gives themselves.
#014 72/8b: “And we (jinns*) pried into the secrets of heaven, but we found it filled with stern guides and flaming fires.” The Quran tells that Allah uses the stars like shooting stars – flaming fire – to chase away bad spirits and jinns wanting to spy on heaven. No comments should be necessary to this nonsense. Any god had known the difference between a shooting star, and a real star - even a devil had known. Then who made the Quran?
015 72/9d: "- - - any (jinn*) who listens (spies*) now will find a flaming fire (shooting star*) watching him in ambush". See 72/8b above.
016 72/10a: "- - - guide - - -". There at least is not much guidance in a guidebook like the Quran.
017 72/10b: "- - - right conduct". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is meant in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
018 72/11: "- - - righteous - - -". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is meant in accordance to its own partly immoral moral code.
019 72/13a: "- - - since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it - - -". Does this mean that the Quran is so obviously true that you have to believe in it once you listen to it? In that case Muhammad had a very low esteem of his listeners' knowledge and ability to use their brain (perhaps with a reason).
020 72/13b: "- - - Guidance - - -". No teaching based on a book full of errors, has any valuable guidance - on the contrary normally.
021 72/13c: "- - - any who believes in his Lord (Allah*) has no fear - - -". This may be correct - like in most other religions. But if the god or gods are made up, they all the same may have a reason to have fear. And as the Quran is not from a god, Muslims have such a reason for fear - it is highly likely Allah is a made up god like the Quran is (as it is from no god and no god behind it, it is made up in religious meaning).
022 72/13d: "- - - injustice." Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code, and partly unjust sharia laws.
023 72/14c: "- - - justice". Beware that when the Quran uses words like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code, partly unethical ethical code, and partly unjust sharia laws.
024 72/14e: "- - - they (Muslims*) have sought out (the path) of the right conduct". One of the many not proved claims in the Quran - and all too often contradicted by the golden rule (which by the way is from the Bible (Luke 6/31)): "Do against others like you want others do against you".
025 72/14f: "- - - right conduct". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code. You frequently meet the question: "Why do so many dislike - or hate - Islam?" One of the answers is: Look f.x. at Islam's moral code, its apartheid ideology, and its haughtiness.
026 72/15b: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) are (but) fuel for Hellfire". One of Muhammad’s many negative - often distaste or stronger inducing - characteristics of non-Muslims.
###Also the big differences between the Bible's and the Quran's hells are more than big and fundamental enough to prove that Yahweh and Allah are not the same god - if they had been, also their hells had been more or less identical.
027 72/16a: "(And Allah's Message is):" Sorry, but there never was a message provably from Allah. Claims "en masse", but never a proved one. And as for the Quran, all the errors, contradictions, etc. prove at least 100% that it is from no god.
028 72/16b: "If they (the Pagans) had (only) remained on the (right) Way - - -". This sentence presumes that the Pagans were Muslims before. For most of them - or all - this is not true.
##029 72/16c: "If they (the Pagans) had (only) remained on the (right) Way, We (Allah*) should certainly bestowed on them Rain in abundance." This one is too stupid - and demands too naive listeners/readers - to merit a comment.
0030 72/16e: "- - - the (right) Way - - -". Here intended to mean Islam. Knowing that Islam is built on a book choke full of wrong facts, other errors, contradictions, etc., and a book delivered by a man of very doubtful moral standard, believing in the use of dishonesty and even in broken oaths, but liking power, riches for more power, and women, we do not think we comment on this.
031 72/17a: "That We (Allah*) might try them (people*) - - -". Why does an omniscient and predestining god need to try people? - according to the Quran he knows absolutely everything?
032 72/17b: "But if any of them (Pagans*) turns away from the remembrance of his Lord (Allah*)". If Allah does not exist or for other reasons is no god, it is not a turning away from any remembrance of Allah, but from tales claimed to be from Allah.
033 72/18a: "- - - the places of worship are for Allah alone - - -". Well, f.x. none of the synagogues or churches is for Allah.
034 72/18b: "- - - invoke not anyone along with Allah". See 6/106b and 25/18a above.
035 72/20b: "- - - join not with Him (Allah*) any (false god)". If Allah do not exist, it is not possible to join anything with him. But for that see 2/255a, 6/106b, and 25/18/a above.
#######036 72/21b: "It is not in my (Muhammad's*) power to cause you harm - - -". (But you bet here on Earth this changed when he grew military powerful some 10 years later.) But here Muhammad talks about supernatural power; he did not have supernatural power to harm or help people. #####He simply did not have power to make such - or other - miracles. (This is completely in accordance with Islam's repeated statements that "the only miracle connected to Muhammad, is the delivery of the Quran" - - - if the (claimed) delivery of that quality book is a miracle.) Verses like this show that Muslims claiming that Muhammad made miracles or prophesies (a special kind of miracle), implicit whenever they tell so, tell that the Quran and Islam are lying.
037 72/21c: "- - - right conduct". Beware that when the Quran uses expressions like this, it is in accordance with its own partly immoral moral code.
038 72/22b: "No one can deliver me (Muhammad/a Muslim?*) from Allah (if I were to disobey Him), nor should I find refuge except in Him". None of this is true, unless Allah exists, is a top god and no other god exists - and after all the Quran admits that the old Jewish and Christian god Yahweh do exist (even though it wrongly mixes him with Allah). But a very nice position for Muhammad if Allah does not exist and Muhammad knew it.
The claim also is not true even if Allah existed and was a god, if Muhammad had no real contact with him - not to mention if the real contact were the dark forces, like some of f.x. the Quran's moral code may indicate.
039 72/23a: "- - - Allah and His Messenger - - -". Muhammad's standard Mantra to glue himself to his god and his platform of power.
####Note how close Muhammad attaches himself to the power of his claimed god - in plain words: "Obey me - Muhammad". You find this many, many places in the Quran. Power was the main thing Muhammad sought - and riches to gain more power. The Quran clearly indicates that power - and respect - meant even more for him than women. And he was eager for (young) women - willing ones and not willing ones - and at least one child.
###040 72/23d: "- - - for any that disobey Allah and his Messenger - for them is Hell - - -". A very clear message - especially as the only one they in reality could disobey here on Earth was Muhammad.
041 72/23e: "- - - they (non-Muslims*) shall dwell therein (Hell*) forever". F.x. 6/128c and 11/107b, 43/74c, 51/13c, and 78/23 all indicate that it perhaps is not quite forever, at least not for Muslims (and 11/108b may indicate that Paradise may not be forever).
042 72/24a: "- - - when they (non-Muslims*) see (with their own eyes) that which they are promised (in the next life by Allah*)" - - -". That Allah has promised something, and that they will see it in the next life are two more of the many never documented claims in the Quran - similar to the claims you find in most religions. There never - never - was a proved case of Allah keeping a promise (not even of giving one). Many claims, but never a proved case - - - and claims are cheap.
043 72/24b: "- - - when they (non-Muslims*) see (with their own eyes) - - - then they will know - - -". This - and a number of similar points in the Quran - kills Muhammad's "explanations" saying that the reason why Allah did not send proofs for his existence, power, or contact with Muhammad, was that proofs would not make skeptics believe anyhow. (Also remember the Pharaoh's sorcerers.)
044 72/25b: "- - - or whether my (Muhammad's/Muslims'*) Lord (Allah*) will appoint for it a distant term". The predestination once more - Allah predestines everything, according to the Quran. (You will meet Muslims claiming it is not real predestination, as predestination is impossible to combine with free will of man - even partly such - and thus it is immoral for Allah to reward or punish people for what they do. But the Quran is extremely clear on that Allah predestines every detail of every ones' life and much more.)
045 72/26: "He (Allah*) (alone) knows the Unseen - - -". It is very clear that #####Muhammad did not see or know the unknown - was a "seer", the original name for "a prophet". "A seer" - and thus a prophet when the title was changed from "seer" to "prophet" (1. Sam. 9/9) - was one who was able to see the unseen. Muhammad was no real prophet - he was unable to make prophesies
Only Allah knows the unseen - nobody else, included Muhammad.
046 72/27b: "- - - He (Allah*) makes a band of watchers march before him (the messenger*) and behind him - - -". Muslim scholars agree on that "him" is Muhammad, but what kind of guard is guesswork - angels, high moral (!), etc. Unclear.
047 72/28a: "- - - (so*) that He (Allah*) may know that they (messengers - included Muhammad*) have (truly) brought and delivered the Messages of their Lord (Allah*) - - -". Why did Allah need a number of angels(?) for each messenger to check what they said and not said, if he was omniscient?
048 72/28b: "- - - (so*) that He (Allah*) may know that they have (truly) brought and delivered the Messages of their Lord (Allah*) - - -". No god was ever involved in the delivery of a message of a quality like the Quran.
049 72/28c: "- - - (truly) - - -". Definitely not a proved truth - only a not proved claim. See f.x. 2/2b and 61/4a above.
050 72/28d: "- - - Message (the Quran*) - - -". As the Quran is from no god, was it really a message? - and in case from whom?
051 72/28e: "- - - (Allah*) takes account of every single thing". If he takes account of every single thing, then he knows every single thing - then why 2/233h above?
8666 + 51 = 8717 remarks.
Not formed like questions for proofs, but what needs to be proved normally easy to see all the same. And: References you do not find here, go to "1000+ Comments on the Quran".
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This work was upload with assistance of M. A. Khan, editor of islam-watch.org and the author of "Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery".